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Psychic on TikTok Live: What Happened When It All Went Wrong 🔮 · The Psychic Explorer

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Good morning, good evening, good afternoon, my
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fellow explorers. How are you? I trust you are
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well. I'm coming to you from a very cozy back
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bedroom where outside the rain is pouring. If
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you can hear the pitter -patter of rain on my
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back windows, I do apologize, but hopefully it
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gives us a little bit of atmosphere to this episode,
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which is all about returning. I'm afraid to say
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to self -doubt, so maybe the rain is quite apt.
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Before I go there though, I just want to give
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a massive thank you to everyone who has given
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feedback to Nat Lockett and Kelsey Anderson's
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episodes. You love them. The feedback we've had
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has just been phenomenal, wonderful, beautiful.
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And I know that you agree with me that both of
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them, just beautiful, beautiful people. Okay,
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let's go for it. Why is this episode returning
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to the theme of self -doubt? Well, you will know.
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Dear dear listener, that over the past month
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or two, since I released the episode about authenticity
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since my trip to Iceland back in the winter,
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I feel like my mediumship has taken off, I think
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is a fair description. and the readings I've
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been given in all my practice online groups,
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all my circles I go to, my face -to -face one
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and the various online ones I try to attend.
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All those readings, the vast majority of them
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seem to be really hitting. In fact, I'm not going
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to tell you today, but there was a very recent
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reading that I did for someone and actually it
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made me feel very uncomfortable. But that reading
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was particularly I wouldn't say difficult. I
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think it was just, I've never had that type of
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reading. It was a very unusual, I tend to get
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the lovey -dovey grandmothers and parents through.
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And this one was very different. And I'm noticing
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that as I'm going along, as my confidence was
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growing with this, I was, was I attracting? I
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don't know if you can attract or not with this,
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but I know that I was being given people to translate
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who in life were very difficult. They weren't
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particularly nice people and they didn't do things
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very kindly. Well, we'll put it that way and
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I've really been thinking. Oh, okay Maybe this
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is where I'm being pulled towards. Maybe I'm
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being pulled towards being given the more difficult
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readings. And I'm open to that. I am open to
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that because I do feel there is a need for that.
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But I feel like I was being given a test. Could
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I handle this situation? Could I handle the topics
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that I felt I was being given? And not only could
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I handle them, but could I manage the sitter
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in a potentially upsetting situation in a way
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that would leave them feeling better for hearing
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from someone who they might not want to hear
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from rather than just a generic stereotypical
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lovey -dovey reading. So I was getting myself
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confident, I was getting more confident with
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that. For those of you that don't know, I've
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been on TikTok for a while now, but it's only
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been until recently that I've delved into it
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and it's a bit of a while west, my god. And honestly,
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I think it deserves it deserves an entire episode
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just of its own. It's cowboy country out there
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when it comes to psychics and mediums on TikTok.
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And you scroll through and you think, my God,
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this is this is just awful. But I'm lucky because
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there are a few people and they seem to be in
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my sort of network who really emphasize on the
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ethics and the morality of giving a reading online,
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giving a reading on TikTok. So I've been watching
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these people and I've been thinking Do I do this?
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Do I press the live button? Part of me thought
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just do it and the other part of me thought Matt
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you are not ready for this You are not in a space
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to give readings in this environment to you to
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me. This is such a sacred job is that correct
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is it a job it's a such a sacred honor that that's
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the word it's a sacred honor to be able to handle
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to be able to give people these messages is so
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beautiful that i feel like almost sometimes keep
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doing it on tiktok and there's an element of
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cheapening of making it cheaper But there are
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ways of doing it. And I know there are people
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that I watch regularly. Nat, for one of them.
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Savannah, Dana, Sylvester, Destiny. These people
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who I've come to admire on this platform. Some
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of them I knew before. Obviously, Nat I knew
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beforehand and Dana I knew beforehand. But the
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others, I've come to them all through TikTok.
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And I really admire their moral compass and their
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ethics when it comes to doing online readings.
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And I watched them and I think, oh, I could do
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that. That's really easy. What an idiot. What
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an idiot I was thinking it was easy. So I thought,
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just do it, okay. And Simon said to me, come
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on, Matt, just do it. Just do it, do it, do it.
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And anyone that is not on TikTok, you probably
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won't, maybe you will, maybe you won't, I don't
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know, but maybe you might not quite understand
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all the stuff that I'm talking about here, but
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you will go on TikTok and you will see these
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people and they'll be putting cards. The platform
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allows you to interact with people. People can
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come up into your live room either by writing
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you a message or you can invite them to come
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up, you can have them on camera or just their
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voice. And some rooms are really energetic, some
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rooms are really calm and inviting and relaxing.
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And I sat on the sofa and I thought, fuck it,
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excuse my French but fuck it, I'm going to do
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it, I'm going to do it. So I researched online,
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I found out if I could swear, I found out if
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I could promote. I went through all the settings
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because I wanted to know what settings I needed,
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what settings I didn't need. I turned on the
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18 +, so the people that only came into the room
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were over 18. I did not want to be reading inadvertently
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for people under the age of 18. I switched off
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all of the gifting systems, so I didn't want
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people to... I didn't want to encourage people
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to have to send me a rose or send me a galaxy
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or whatever that stuff is. I didn't want that
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on my live. I wanted it to be clean. I wanted
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it to be, for lack of a better word, pure. I
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absolutely rinsed the settings and I rinsed all
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the preparation beforehand for the technical
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side. But... Why did I want to do it? What was
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the pull towards going live? Was it to promote
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the podcast? Honestly, no. Was it visibility?
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Maybe, maybe it was to show that I could do it
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too. Was it wanting to show up differently? I
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think possibly that was the case. I wanted to
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show... that it's all very well talking about
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the stuff. When I think about it, the pressure
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of, not the pressure, but I'm talking a lot about
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what I do and I'm saying to myself, I'm telling
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you, I'm talking into the ether here that I can
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do readings and I give people a sense of relief,
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a sense of happiness when I give them these readings,
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a sense of knowing. But that only ever happens
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in practice environments, in circles where...
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other people are open to that sort of reading.
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And I guess part of me wanted to show that I
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could do it to anyone. I've done platform. Really,
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realistically, what is the difference between
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doing a platform event and putting myself out
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online to an audience? I have to also ask the
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question, was there peer pressure from the platform
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itself? Now, when I say this, I want to highlight
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the word the platform, not the people, because
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the lives that I watch, people that do this,
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I admire. I don't ever feel like they are encouraging
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other people to do this just because they are.
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However, does the platform, and I think that
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is an element here. There is an element of that.
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it shows people in a certain light and isn't
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it interesting how many times have I spoken about
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putting people on a pedestal and in reality they
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are just like you and I they are just people
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I didn't feel like I felt like I wanted to do
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it but I didn't feel like there was a reason
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for doing it and again that also mirrors my mediumship
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I love doing it at the moment if I'm honest I
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don't know my why. I don't know why I want to
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do this. I don't know why I enjoy doing it. I
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know a lot of people say, I want to help people.
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I really want to bring sparkle back to people's
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lives. I want to let people know that they're
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not alone. All that stuff, and that is all well
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and good, and that is all valid. For me, though,
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honestly, I don't know my why. I'm just still
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exploring. I'm still exploring, and I guess...
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The whole premise of the psychic explorer is
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to explore different avenues. And this was just
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one other avenue to explore. So going back to
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what I was saying before, I was preparing. I
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was looking at the rules, what I could say, what
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I couldn't say, what I could do, what I couldn't
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do. I was looking at the settings. I was looking
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at how moderation works, how to nominate moderators.
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how to look at noise suppression, do I need noise
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suppression on or off, do I need to put the 18
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plus toggle on or off, and what that would mean.
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All the scaffolding was in place, but the house,
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the actual house, me, it was empty. I went on,
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I sat up, I put my candles on. I made sure the
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room was nice. I even made sure that the camera
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was on mirror so that if I was going to do a
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card reading and I showed the card to the camera,
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it would show the audience the card the right
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way around because I noticed on lots of people
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when they do their lives and they show the card
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to the camera and it's got rice on it, you can't
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read it because it's back to front just because
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the way that the cameras are set up. So I even
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did that and I just pressed live. but okay, fuck
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it, let's just do it, let's go. And I was just
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sat there for probably about five minutes, shuffling
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my brand new Lenormand cards, which I absolutely
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love, and I haven't really had much of an opportunity
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to use them, but I was just shuffling them. And
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I was shuffling them. And I was looking at the
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top right -hand corner, and... I thought, what
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do I do? Literally, no one's here. I'm online
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and I'm talking to myself, but I don't know what
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I'm talking about. I had no plan. I had no plan
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whatsoever. Do I talk about mediumship? Do I
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talk about my journey? Do I pull a card? Do I
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do a mediumship reading? What do I do when someone
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comes in? And finally someone did come in and
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it was like, go. And... I didn't know what to
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do. And I kept saying, I don't know what I'm
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doing here. I don't actually know what I'm doing.
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And Simon was watching. He was saying to me on
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text message, don't say you don't know what you're
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doing because it sounds like you don't know what
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you're doing. But when I was saying, oh, I don't
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know what I'm doing in my world, I was saying,
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I don't know what I'm doing here. I don't know
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how to do this in this environment using this
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media. But of course, I totally see how it would
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have come across like, I don't know what I'm
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doing, yet I am showing myself as a psychic in
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a medium, yet I don't know what I'm doing. And
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that is me and my communication. When I say stuff,
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it doesn't always fully verbalize. I say these
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complete sentences in my head, yet the people
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around me look at me like, what? I'll give you
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an example. We went to a restaurant for lunch
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the other day or the weekend and we went in,
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sat down, lovely guy came up to us and he said,
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can I get you guys a drink? And I looked at a
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cocktail list and I love cocktails. Anyone that
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knows me knows I love a good cocktail. And I
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was umming and ahhing, should I get a cocktail
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or should I not? And I said, in my head, I said,
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oh, I shouldn't get a cocktail because I'm terrible
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with cocktails. what I verbally said out loud
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was, oh no, cocktails, these are terrible. But
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in my head, I'm saying these are lovely cocktails,
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but I am terrible with cocktails because I never
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know which one to go for. And all that makes
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perfect sense to me. And he says to me, the waiter
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says to me, oh, we are actually changing them
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in a couple of weeks to probably more generic
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ones. And I said, oh, that's a shame. And he
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sort of looked at me. I said, because these look
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like, you don't want to get rid of the stuff
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that's really unusual. You don't want to go to
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a menu that's really generic. And he's looking
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at me like, what? Anyway, he takes my order and
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he goes away. And Simon says to me, you know
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you just said to him that these cocktails are
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terrible. And then you just said to him that
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it was such a shame that they were going to change
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the menu. And I said, oh shit. What I meant to
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say is that these cocktails are lovely, but I'm
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terrible at choosing them. But that's not what
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came out. So when he came back, I told him that.
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And he said, I did wonder. I was very confused.
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And I was like, yeah, that's just me. So when
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I say stuff, the connection between what happens
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in my brain and what happens, something gets
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lost sometimes between me thinking something
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and me saying something. has gotten me into a
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lot of trouble before. So this is just a highlight
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that I was in my head from the first minute.
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I was like, I'm in my head. I know I'm in my
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head straight away. And I've only got one viewer
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here. One person is watching me. And I started
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to sort of talk to them. And then Dana came in.
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Dana saw that I was online, and she came in,
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and she started to repost. And suddenly, bit
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by bit, All my American circle friends started
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to come in and it was really lovely. We started
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to have a nice conversation, but I didn't know
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what I was doing. Like, I didn't know how to
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handle or manage the conversation. I didn't know
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why I was there. I was just there, shuffling
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a card with a candle in the background with no
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idea where to go from there. I was hyperventilating.
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I was so hot. It later transpired that the heated
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blanket that I sit on in this chair, because
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I've got a bit of a bad back at the moment, I
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put it on. I didn't realize it was on setting
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seven out of nine. No wonder I was getting so
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hot and so clammy. I thought, oh my God, I'm
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seriously having a reaction to this live. Why
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am I so hot? I was just in such a state. I gave
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a few people some readings. I gave the wonderful
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Janelle a reading. She said it was okay, and
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I don't care what she says. I know she's been
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very polite when she said, it was great, mate,
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it was great. I could hear, and more to the point,
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I could feel I wasn't as connected as I wanted
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to be, and as I maybe should have been. Then
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I stepped into a medium shit reading and again
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I was connecting but it wasn't as on fire as
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I would have liked. And as I sit in this space,
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I'm noticing that these people are coming in.
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I'm seeing Destiny is coming, I'm seeing this
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medium called Gia, she has come in. And I'm thinking,
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oh shit, oh shit, these people are seeing me
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read for the first time. I know I'm not at my
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best here. I know that I'm out of my depth. I'm
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flailing. I'm really trying to hide it, but I
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don't think I am. And this is their first impression
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of me. And it all goes back to that, doesn't
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it? It all goes back to people's impression.
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Do I tell people about this? No, I don't. My
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everyday people, when people ask me what I do,
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I'm a gardener. I do not tell them about this
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because I worry about what they are gonna think
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of this. And again, that all goes back to that
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charge of trauma, doesn't it? That all goes back
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to me trying to please people because of the
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bullying, trying to not... out myself, out myself
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sexuality -wise, fuck it, I am out there, I am
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there. Out myself with this, it's still a very
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heavily guarded thing as far as I'm concerned.
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It's guarded because I just don't want people
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to think other of me. And I realize, looking
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back at that moment, that near hyperventilation,
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that panic. that worry it all stems back from
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that and isn't it interesting how no matter how
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far we toodle along this path or down this path
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it all comes down to self -development doesn't
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it and how many times have i heard people say
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that and how many times have i said yeah i know
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that and it's not until it smacks you in the
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face and i come off of a near two -day self -deprecating
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spiral that i realize it myself it was so uncomfortable.
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I found the whole experience really uncomfortable.
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When I come away from recording these podcasts,
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I've noticed a pattern. If I'm calm, if I'm slow,
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if I am the slower version of me, because I have
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the both, I have the hyper, yeah, let's do this,
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the excitable me, but if I lean into the slower,
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the quiet, the more thoughtful version of me,
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These episodes come across as so much more authentic.
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These episodes come across as so much more me.
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The energy that comes in and that comes through
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is more appealing, I feel, to other people. Regardless
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of what the algorithm might tell me, I feel like
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it's capturing the right people. It's a slow
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burn, and that's fine. But the people it does
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catch, the people it does attract, are my people.
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are you. And I came away from that experience
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realizing that I was trying to emulate something
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that is not my mediumship. I was trying to emulate
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something sensational. I was trying to emulate
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something showcasy, something amazing. Not what
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my mediumship is and that is slow, yet profound.
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And again, I hope I am not being too egotistical.
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I know I'm not being too egotistical because
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I have just spent the past 48 hours spiralling
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and reflecting on, oh God, I made such an idiot
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of myself and I made such a fool of myself to
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suddenly come to this realization. So I know
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that that's not ego talking. I know that my readings
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are on the more profound side when I allowed
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them to be there. When I step up to be this caricature
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of a medium, this caricature of a social media
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person, a personality that I am not, that does
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not come naturally to me, then that is when it
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goes pear shape. People in the room afterwards
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told me it was your first live mat. It was never
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going to be perfect, but you did really well.
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And I so appreciate that. Part of me thinks,
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and I mean this and I say this with love and
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respect, that the Americans in the room are going
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to say that because Americans are very much half,
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the class is half full, and they are rewarding
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and they are encouraging and they are, yes, you
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can do this. Whereas me, my culture is self -deprecating,
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is self -doubting, is self -reflecting, not necessarily
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in a positive way. It can be and it is and it
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always comes back to that eventually, but that
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48 -hour spiral after something like this, after
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an experience like putting yourself out there.
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is not something that is strange to me, and it
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does hit harder than the encouragement. It's
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a shame, but it's just the way I am wired. It's
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just the way it is. And you know what? In a way,
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I'd almost rather have that... spiral that 48
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hour death spiral and come out the other side,
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realizing what I've realized through listening
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to people that I respect, through listening to
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talks, through listening to podcasts, through
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sitting with it myself and just thinking, okay,
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how does this sit? How does this affect me? And
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how can I do this going forward in a different
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way? in a way that is more me. Because this isn't
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the first time, as I say, and that is the heart
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of it. That is the heart of all of this. Where
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else did I feel this? I felt this in early readings.
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I felt this in my first demonstrations, my first
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public demonstrations. I felt this so profoundly
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with this podcast. There is a pattern. And this
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pattern tells me how I meet, how I interact with
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feeling exposed, with feeling vulnerable. But
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crucially, I need to remind myself what happened
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after each of those crash moments, after each
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of those moments that I felt that I fell flat
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on my face. I got back up, I dusted myself off,
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and I tried again. And in the great wise words
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of Dana Willey, the spirit world does not care
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how many times you fall down. What they care
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about is how many times you get back up again.
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And as I say that, I feel very emotional. And
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I know that my team are with me because that's
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how they show their presence. And I am proud
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of myself that I did it. I'm not proud of how
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I handled it. I could have prepared for it so
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much, so much more. But if I'd have done that,
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I wouldn't have learned this vital lesson, would
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I? And hey, isn't that true for all of us? How
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many times have we all fallen down, have we all
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curled up, cringing with embarrassment to try
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it again? I am going to do it again and I'm probably
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going to do it very soon. I don't know if it'll
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be better, but I do know that when I do do it,
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I am going to be looking at a sign that I'm going
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to draw myself. I've asked Simon to draw or paint
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this for me because he's a good artist, but he's
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not done it yet. I want just above my desk here
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in this back bedroom, in this lovely studio space
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that we've created, I want a framed drawing or
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a picture or painting of a reminder for me to
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just stay calm and trust that when I do that,
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the things I produce, the things that come through
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are so much more authentic, are so much better
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received than when I perform. Than when I do
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things the way that people think that they should
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be done or at the very least when I Conform to
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how I think things should be done. I've got written
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down here that I don't know if my next one will
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be better But I do know Enough now to know that
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the only thing worse than the life that I did
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would be to not doing it again So my beautiful
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wonderful explorers If you see me on TikTok live,
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make sure you are kind. I may still be finding
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my feet, but that's okay. Okay, a bit of a gear
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shift now. Do you remember going back to the
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last solo episode when I was on the beach and
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I was telling you that I was going to start a
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new routine of meditating every single day? How
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many of you have bets I wouldn't do it? Well,
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I did it. I did do it for one day. I only did
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it for one day. And yeah, I'm afraid. I'm sorry.
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My desire for sleep overtook my want to meditate
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more often and more frequently. Did I fail? I
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don't know. I knew it probably wasn't going to
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happen. But, you know, at least I tried. I did
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try. But yeah, it didn't last. I did it for one
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day and I woke up and thought, what am I doing?
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For whose benefit am I changing my practice for?
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Why am I depriving myself of 15 minutes extra
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sleep in the morning just to see if someone else's
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method works for me? Clearly it doesn't. And
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again, talking about lessons as I was a moment
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ago, that is a lesson for me. That is a lesson
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that I don't need to follow everyone else's practice
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to make it work. I can develop my own practice
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and what I have noticed over the past few weeks
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is that intention is very powerful. When I go
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into a practice space, if I go in there with
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the intention that I want to bring someone through
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or that this is going to be a successful reading,
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it tends to be. I have had a bit of a wobble
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recently and I do feel that that is from or rather
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off the back of this first attempt at the TikTok
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live and again. the death spiral that that threw
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me into. Or maybe I'm just in one of those expansion
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phases where things slow down a bit before they
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open back up again and they ramp back up. I don't
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know. Stay tuned, have a listen, find out. Okay,
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just a couple of things just to mention before
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I wrap up this episode. Firstly, are you in your
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own development? Are you looking for a place
27:28
where you can practice with like -minded people?
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Practice your mediumship, practice your tarot,
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practice your oracle, whatever it is that you
27:37
do. I am holding a free online space every Wednesday
27:41
and Sunday evening. I have been playing around
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with Sunday and Wednesday Explorers. This is
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a name I've sort of fallen on. Wednesday and
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Sunday Explorers for a little while now, for
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about a month or so. And I think I've got it
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into a place where I think where I want it to
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be now. So if you are interested in joining me
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and other people for a lovely, very friendly
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open practice space, come and join us. I will
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say that this is not a teaching space, this is
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purely just for practice. So if you are already
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in development, then this could be a really good
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space for you to continue your development in.
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It's on Zoom and you can find the login details
28:18
down below in the show notes. There's opportunity
28:21
to practice one -on -one, there's opportunity
28:23
to practice on platform, so whatever you like,
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whatever you prefer, it is there. Sundays is
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on for just over an hour starting at 7 .15 UK
28:32
time and Wednesdays is slightly more extended
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for two hours, again at 7 .15 UK time. That is
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the evening, 7 .15 PM UK time. Wherever you are
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in the world, please feel free to join. You are
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most, most welcome. Also, The very next episode
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you have got coming up is a very special one.
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It is with the phenomenal Anthony Lights. If
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you do not know of Anthony, check him out. He's
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appeared on lots and lots of podcasts. He has
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his own podcast with the wonderful Hayley B.
29:06
And he so very generously gave his time to me
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to record an episode all about Pride sexuality.
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I did a Pride episode last year with the wonderful
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Delana Luna. That episode was a very intellectual
29:20
episode. I love it. I do love it because, as
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I said when I recorded that, every time I listen
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to it, I get something new. There's a new layer.
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With Anthony, we talk a bit more about his journey.
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We talk more about sexuality and religion. versus
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spirituality because he was brought up in a very
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conservative household. We talk about how religion
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and how the views of others around him affected
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him. It's a really good conversation. I'm really
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looking forward to sharing that one with you.
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On that note, I'm going to love you and leave
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you. Have a wonderful rest of your day. Sending
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you all my love. Take care, guys. Bye.