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The Late Debate | 14 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Base.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good evening and thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Liz stra and Caleb Bond. Coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight. Californian Governor Gavin Newsom. You would have seen
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  Speaker 3: him on television. He's been the face of the LA fires.
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  Speaker 3: But have you noticed these kind of weird We're going
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  Speaker 3: to show you some video footage later. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what is going on with his behavior. Maybe you can
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  Speaker 3: tell us. We'll show you shortly. Plus, when we look
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  Speaker 3: at the papers reports that deradicalization programs designed to change
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  Speaker 3: the behavior of high risk individuals authorities fear may commit
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  Speaker 3: terrorist attacks, well, these deradicalization programs aren't working. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: there's evidence to suggest they're making people worse. Plus an
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  Speaker 3: incredible story on the front page of Tomorrow's Australian, Anthony
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  Speaker 3: Albanezi says he has invited Donald Trump to come to Australia.
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  Speaker 3: It's just that he hasn't heard back from Donald Trump yet.
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  Speaker 3: I can't imagine why. Let's get into the news. There's
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  Speaker 3: quite a bit to get through. It's just twelve days
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  Speaker 3: to go until Australia Day and I think Calebin lives.
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  Speaker 3: For the first time in a long time, there's genuine
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  Speaker 3: excitement about this year's Australia Day. The IPA put out
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  Speaker 3: a survey just the other day saying sixty nine percent
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  Speaker 3: of Australians are very happy that we celebrate our day
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  Speaker 3: on January twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: That's up six percent on last year.
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  Speaker 3: Peter Dutton, sensing the momentum, has said that if elected,
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  Speaker 3: he will compel councils to hold citizenship ceremonies on January
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  Speaker 3: twenty six. And of course Woolworth's famously backflipped, not acknowledging
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  Speaker 3: Australia Day last year, but this year promising to sell
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  Speaker 3: Australian merchandise after a boycott really roped them in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: So there's genuine excitement.
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  Speaker 3: But I'll tell you who's not excited about Australia Day,
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  Speaker 3: and that's the Australia Day Council of South Australia, which
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  Speaker 3: is kind of odd since they're the ones charged with
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  Speaker 3: organizing the thing. But have a look at what they've
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  Speaker 3: organized and what they're promoting for our national day of
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  Speaker 3: selling abration. They're advertising for January twenty six, to begin
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  Speaker 3: with a.
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  Speaker 1: Quote Morning of Morning.
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  Speaker 3: A smoking ceremony at seven thirty am on January the
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  Speaker 3: twenty sixth, at which we can all express sorrow that
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  Speaker 3: Australia has ever founded.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this event, which doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly get our national Day off on a good vibe,
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  Speaker 3: is sponsored by the South Australian State Government. It's sponsored
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  Speaker 3: by the Adelaide City Council, and of course it's organized
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  Speaker 3: by the Australia Day Council of South Australia. They are
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  Speaker 3: established in nineteen eighty one to promote pride and to
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  Speaker 3: promote enthusiasm around Australian identity and culture. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: how a Morning of Sorrow promotes pride in Australia on
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  Speaker 3: our national Day now, CALEBN is. I get that there
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  Speaker 3: are things that happened during colonization that we all wish
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  Speaker 3: did not happen. But we've got Sorry Day, We've got
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  Speaker 3: Reconciliation Week, We've got Nadock Week, We've got half a
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  Speaker 3: dozen other days we lament that things weren't done as
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  Speaker 3: well as we wish they had been done. Could we
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  Speaker 3: not just have our National Day of Celebration as a
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  Speaker 3: day of celebration, just one day where we celebrate the
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  Speaker 3: fact that our country is a miracle. In two hundred
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  Speaker 3: years we've built one of the greatest countries in the world.
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  Speaker 3: That we not just celebrate that, Caleb without starting.
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  Speaker 1: With the morning of morning.
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  Speaker 4: And this is the thing, right, I mean, there is
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  Speaker 4: no reason that you know, amongst all the other celebrations
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  Speaker 4: and events that are done on Australia Day, that you
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  Speaker 4: couldn't have a smoking ceremony somewhere to say, okay, well
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  Speaker 4: this is what Australia was once like and this is
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  Speaker 4: what Australia is now like. They have to say it's
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  Speaker 4: a morning of morning because of course you mourn what
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  Speaker 4: was there previously, as though the thing that replaced it
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  Speaker 4: is a bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: That is the point. And how can you.
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  Speaker 4: Possibly be the Australia Day Council and then take the
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  Speaker 4: day that you are charged with celebrating and saying well
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  Speaker 4: now we need to crap all over it and say, well,
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  Speaker 4: actually Australia is bad because colonization happened. We must mourn
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  Speaker 4: what has happened previously.
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  Speaker 5: It's just this bair, I know, what is the themselves?
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  Speaker 2: What is the more point?
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  Speaker 4: What is the point and the state government getting involved
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  Speaker 4: the local council at Alecity Council getting involved.
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  Speaker 2: Say Power Networks now.
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  Speaker 4: That's they own all the polls and wires and whatever
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  Speaker 4: in South Australia was previously publicly owned. It was privatized
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  Speaker 4: in the nineties. It's owned by the Chinese. So even
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  Speaker 4: China now is telling us and that's that's not a joke.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not you know, I am making a joke, Obin,
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  Speaker 4: but it's not a joke that Chinese own companies would
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  Speaker 4: get involved in telling us that we should be in
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  Speaker 4: Australia Day, right, I mean this is foreign interference in
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  Speaker 4: this as well, telling us that we should not.
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  Speaker 2: Be proud of our national day.
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  Speaker 4: The Australia Day Council of South Australia should hang its
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  Speaker 4: head in chame is bored, should hang their heads in
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  Speaker 4: shame that they are taking the day they are supposed
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  Speaker 4: to celebrate and turning it into something else.
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  Speaker 3: Patre of the Australia Council is the Governor of South Australia,
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  Speaker 3: so this comes from the top.
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  Speaker 6: Although they play it both ways, there's no doubt the
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  Speaker 6: Governor of South Australia will be tending attending Australia Day
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  Speaker 6: festivities absolutely so, It's like, I just want to play
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  Speaker 6: to both sides, because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 6: this is mainly not about my convictions.
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  Speaker 5: I don't really have any. I have more to spare
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  Speaker 5: for all of them.
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  Speaker 6: But a lot of these people they don't have convictions.
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  Speaker 6: They simply want to play to both sides of the
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  Speaker 6: fence so they're not losing out votes on either side
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  Speaker 6: of the debate. But firstly, having this at seven thirty
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  Speaker 6: in the morning, now that's just done Australia. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: unless this is ANZAC Day and we're all getting up
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  Speaker 6: for a dawn service, you are taking the mick.
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  Speaker 5: This is Australia. We don't get up at.
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  Speaker 6: Seven point thirty on public holidays. Kind of spoils the
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  Speaker 6: whole purpose of the event. Although I imagine this will be
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  Speaker 6: on the Sunday, and yes it is, but seriously, I
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  Speaker 6: am curious to see how many people will actually rock
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  Speaker 6: up at this because as we know, the tide is turning.
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  Speaker 6: This kind of stuff isn't popular anymore. This was shared
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  Speaker 6: by Sports South Australia a week ago. It has three likes.
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  Speaker 6: Three likes in an entire week. Something tells me it
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  Speaker 6: doesn't quite have the gravitas. People aren't really pulled toward
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  Speaker 6: this kind of thing any more because everyone can sense
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  Speaker 6: the change in the air. They're sick of being browbeaten.
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  Speaker 6: It didn't work in the first place. I would love
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  Speaker 6: to know, and there's no way to actually know that.
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  Speaker 6: This was never really a controversial day whatsoever. It was
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  Speaker 6: always a tiny minority getting on their soapbox trying to
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  Speaker 6: browbeat the rest of us. It didn't work with the
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  Speaker 6: Voice referendum. It never worked with Australia Day.
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  Speaker 5: Who moved it. Nobody moved it.
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  Speaker 6: Few councils were like, Okay, we just won't celebrate it
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  Speaker 6: on that day anymore.
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  Speaker 5: Etc.
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  Speaker 6: And so on, the usual virtue signaling. But Australians everyday people,
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  Speaker 6: we're never on board with this nonsense. We never were,
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  Speaker 6: we never will be. Long live Australia Day.
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  Speaker 7: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of councils, of course, Peter Dutton, as I said,
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  Speaker 3: has promised that if elected, he will compel local governments
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  Speaker 3: to hold citizenship ceremonies.
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  Speaker 1: On January twenty six, the.
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  Speaker 3: President of the Australian Local Government Association, Matt Burnett, he's
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  Speaker 3: the mayor of Gladstone in Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: He said look, if we're forced to do it, we will.
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  Speaker 3: There's eighty one councils that are so far running citizenship
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  Speaker 3: ceremonies on days other than our national Day.
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  Speaker 1: But have listened to what he told media about.
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  Speaker 3: Reasons why you know some councils don't want to run
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  Speaker 3: things on the twenty six, He says, as the closest
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  Speaker 3: level of government to our communities and the most trusted,
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  Speaker 3: it's important we reflect and respond to the needs of
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  Speaker 3: our local areas.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, local councils are very trusted. But here's the bit
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to get to.
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  Speaker 3: He said, there are a range of reasons why some
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  Speaker 3: councils did not hold events on January twenty six, including
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  Speaker 3: extreme heat, staff numbers and costs.
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  Speaker 1: Now, mister Burnett's own.
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  Speaker 3: Council, they held a citizenship ceremony last year, not on
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  Speaker 3: January twenty sixth Oh it's too hot, so they.
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  Speaker 1: Ran on January twenty.
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  Speaker 8: Fifth, because everybody knows cooler on the twenty If only
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  Speaker 8: I knew, I could get on the phone to the bomb.
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  Speaker 8: They don't like being called the bomb anymore by they
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  Speaker 8: are row, but they'd a bomb right.
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  Speaker 4: They send out a media release member a few years ago,
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  Speaker 4: say you can't call us the bumping, but I get
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  Speaker 4: on the bomb and say, look, I just want you
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that January twenty five is nos cool
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  Speaker 4: and January twenty six is blistering hot, so I can't
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  Speaker 4: have any event. I mean they when he said that,
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  Speaker 4: did he think that it was a joke. Did he
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  Speaker 4: know that it was a joke, or was it an
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  Speaker 4: unintentional joke.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if he really thought.
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  Speaker 4: He'd be able to get away, it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: it's too hot on January twenty six.
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  Speaker 6: These reports say that even demanding compensation if they're forced
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  Speaker 6: to work on that date, like it's not your job.
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  Speaker 6: You are paid to be a city councilor quite handsomely,
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  Speaker 6: I'm my dad, I was a city councilor myself. People
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  Speaker 6: love to be sworn into citizenship on our special day.
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  Speaker 5: These people, it used to make my Australia Day.
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  Speaker 6: You'd rock up, they'd have their ceremony, They've all got
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  Speaker 6: their little flags, they're all taking their pictures with the
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  Speaker 6: mayor and us, of course, because they want everyone to know, yes,
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  Speaker 6: we just swore allegiance to this country. For many of them,
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  Speaker 6: this is the culmination of years of hard work long
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  Speaker 6: since they left their country of origin. This is a
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  Speaker 6: massive accomplishment and Australia Day of all days.
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  Speaker 5: They've got the golden ticket.
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  Speaker 2: Then they walk out.
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  Speaker 6: We had rides, we had snags galore, they've got the
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  Speaker 6: fireworks that evening to celebrate with absolutely everyone. It is
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  Speaker 6: a huge vibe and many of us who were born
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  Speaker 6: here would never understand how exciting and how monumentous that
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  Speaker 6: is in their lives. It is like being in a
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  Speaker 6: crowded room of beaming smiles, proud at people. And I
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  Speaker 6: love that Dutton Israel and stating this because there isn't
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  Speaker 6: a single person saying the pledge that day.
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  Speaker 4: That is sorry, it's exactly and it needs to be
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  Speaker 4: pointed out as well that January twenty sixth, nineteen forty
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  Speaker 4: eight was the day that legislation passed that made us
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  Speaker 4: no longer British subjects but Australian citizens. So why would
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  Speaker 4: you not keep the day that Australian citizenship became a
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  Speaker 4: thing as a day to have citizenship ceremonies.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, we're going to go to some breaking
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  Speaker 3: news because the Times of Israel have just reported that
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  Speaker 3: Harmas have accepted a deal to release hostages. We're still
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  Speaker 3: getting details about what exactly the deal entails. It's got
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  Speaker 3: to go to the Israeli cabinet for approval. But the
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  Speaker 3: Times of Israel are reporting that Hamas have accepted a
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  Speaker 3: deal to release the hostages, and as I said, the
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  Speaker 3: Israeli cabinet will need to agree to that. But that's
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  Speaker 3: very good news, Caleb, and I must say, probably a
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  Speaker 3: little unexpected owing to the fact that Trump hasn't yet
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  Speaker 3: taken office, that this is happening.
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  Speaker 1: Under Biden's watch. We've still to get more details.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly how many hostages, We're not aware at this stage,
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  Speaker 3: but good news.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's happening under Biden's watch.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, Trump will be inaugurated in just a few days,
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  Speaker 4: and I suspect that is one of the main drivers
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  Speaker 4: behind this deal, because Trump is.
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  Speaker 1: Say they'll be healthy.
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  Speaker 2: He has been very clear.
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  Speaker 4: On what he will do if there are no hostages
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  Speaker 4: returned by the time he becomes president. So they were
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  Speaker 4: between a rock and a hard place. If they didn't
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  Speaker 4: make a decision. Now, all hell, as he said, would
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  Speaker 4: break loose in the Middle East. And Hamas well knows
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  Speaker 4: that they've been able to get away with it up
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  Speaker 4: to this point because Israel has a lot more might
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  Speaker 4: than it has actually.
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  Speaker 2: Used in this war.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it could go in and just carpet on
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  Speaker 4: the joint wanted to, but it's resisted doing that. But
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  Speaker 4: if you've got the US involved as well, and you
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  Speaker 4: turn it into a broader fight within the Middle East,
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  Speaker 4: a muss will just disappear in the midst of all
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  Speaker 4: of that, and that is the last thing they want.
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  Speaker 4: So there arem has finally been twisted to come through
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  Speaker 4: with what we hope will be a good deal when
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  Speaker 4: we finally see the details.
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  Speaker 3: Liz surprised or expected this owing to the fact I
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  Speaker 3: did it.
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  Speaker 1: Trump would put the pressure on.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, nobody thinks that Trump is joking. When that man
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  Speaker 6: stands behind a podium and says there will be hell
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  Speaker 6: to pay, they know he means business. They've been able
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  Speaker 6: to run a mark because they had a very very
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  Speaker 6: weak administration in the Biden administration. We know that they
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  Speaker 6: gave billions of dollars to Iran during their tenure as well,
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  Speaker 6: So these guys have been it's actually been extremely hard
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  Speaker 6: to figure out where they actually stand on anything. Trump
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  Speaker 6: never leaves people guessing he has told them this is
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  Speaker 6: exactly what you're going to get the day January twentieth dawns.
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  Speaker 5: So they had to do this, like you say, Caleb,
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  Speaker 5: their arms were twisted.
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  Speaker 6: It was basically this or be wiped off the face.
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  Speaker 5: Of the earth.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and it'll be interestingly your choice.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be interesting to see what the terms of this
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  Speaker 4: deal are though, because, of course the suggestion has been
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  Speaker 4: that perhaps there will be a return of hostages in
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  Speaker 4: exchange for prisoners, Palestinian prisoners who are kept in Israel,
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  Speaker 4: and a lot of those prisoners who are kept in
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  Speaker 4: Israel is because they are terrorists or suspected terrorists as well,
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  Speaker 4: so it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not necessarily.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see how all of that plays out. Now, let's
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  Speaker 4: talk about something that I find an affront to what
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  Speaker 4: it means to be an Australian or to be a
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  Speaker 4: britain and that is the right to go into the
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  Speaker 4: front bar of the pub and thrash out the issues
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  Speaker 4: of the day. I mean, if you can't do it
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  Speaker 4: in the front bar of the pub, where can you
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  Speaker 4: do it. This is the place where for centuries men
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  Speaker 4: and of course since the sixties and seventies onwards, women
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  Speaker 4: have been allowed to go and talk about whatever they want,
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  Speaker 4: get something off their chest, talk about politics, vent about
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  Speaker 4: their partners, whatever it might be. But it all might
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  Speaker 4: come to an end very soon because the Starma government,
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  Speaker 4: cirkiar Stam of course, two tierke, free gear Care, all
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  Speaker 4: the other names they've come up with, they are now
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  Speaker 4: trying to push through new workplace discrimination laws. Now this
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  Speaker 4: will basically mean that if you are an employee within
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  Speaker 4: a workplace, it is the job of that employer to
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  Speaker 4: make sure that you are not offended or discriminated against
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  Speaker 4: in any form, Otherwise that company can be sued. Now,
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  Speaker 4: the definition of this that they're talking about, what they're
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  Speaker 4: talking about harassment being is unwanted conduct that has the
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  Speaker 4: purpose or effect of violating the recipient's dignity or creating
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  Speaker 4: and intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating, or offensive environment. Now that
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  Speaker 4: doesn't neces necessarily mean it comes from another employee.
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  Speaker 2: It can also include customers or clients.
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  Speaker 4: And so pubs are now saying what does that mean
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  Speaker 4: If someone at that table over there is having a
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  Speaker 4: discussion about transgenderism, for instance, and they say, well, I
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  Speaker 4: don't believe that men can be women and working in
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  Speaker 4: that pub happens to be a transgender woman who is
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  Speaker 4: a biological man. Will they then say that they were
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  Speaker 4: harassed within the workplace and potentially.
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  Speaker 2: Be sued for doing so.
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  Speaker 4: The British Beer and Pub Association isn't having a bar
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  Speaker 4: of it.
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  Speaker 2: They say.
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  Speaker 4: Any legislation must be carefully drafted to make sure it
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  Speaker 4: does not have unintended consequences, such as pub workers expected
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  Speaker 4: to decide with the private conversations between customers constitute.
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  Speaker 2: A violation of law.
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  Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, this is where we are in twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty five. You cannot even go to the pub and
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  Speaker 4: have a conversation about politics without it potentially constituting harassment
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  Speaker 4: of staff that will then land that pub in court.
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  Speaker 4: We have well and truly jumped the shark here have
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  Speaker 4: we not? And it should be noted this is not
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  Speaker 4: just in Britain. I mean in terms of exactly what
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  Speaker 4: this legislation looks like. But people are being briefed in
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  Speaker 4: Australian workplaces in recent years because the Albanezi government brought
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  Speaker 4: through a whole tranch of new ir laws that included
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  Speaker 4: new definitions of harassment and put a new restrictions upon
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  Speaker 4: businesses in terms of they have to be proactive now,
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  Speaker 4: so in Australia, a business has to ask staff whether
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  Speaker 4: or not they're being harassed or lead or discriminated against it.
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  Speaker 4: It's not good enough to simply say we're available for
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  Speaker 4: you to come and talk to me if you feel
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  Speaker 4: like you're being bullied. And this is exactly one of
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  Speaker 4: the things that people are briefed about is that if
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  Speaker 4: you have a conversation in the workplace that someone else
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  Speaker 4: who is not party to that conversation finds offensive, that
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  Speaker 4: may constitute harassment.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it is EASA.
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  Speaker 6: You're essentially trying to pass a law to ensure that
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  Speaker 6: anyone while they're on the clock, regardless of what their
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  Speaker 6: job is, won't overhear something that they find offensive. And
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  Speaker 6: of course what each individual finds offensive is deeply personal.
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  Speaker 5: For me, it's basically nothing. You just can't offan me.
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  Speaker 6: Why would I expend that kind of mental and emotional
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: energy on something some flogg has said other people are
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: triggered by absolutely everything you may or may not say.
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: Does that then extend to you not speaking up when
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: I think you should, and therefore I'm offended by something
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: that you didn't express in a moment that I feel
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: that you should have This is completely nuts, like Britain
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: doesn't have enough problems, like the Kirstama government doesn't have
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: enough problems to be focusing on.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: They are now mulling over legislation like this.
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: Is it any wonder that just four months after this
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: government game to power, two point nine Palms signed a
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: government petition on the government's own website saying we are begging.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: You to call another general election. We are sorry you're
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: in power.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: You are absolutely trashing our country. And this after that
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: kind of vote of no confidence from the very citizens
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: who elected you to represent them. This is the kind
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: of stuff that they're spending parliamentary time on hashing out,
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: being like how can we best legislate this?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, when I was growing up, eavesdropping was considered
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: to be impolite. You were taught you don't listen to
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: other people's conversations, you don't sort of, you know, linger
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: and sort of try to pick up what other people
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: are talking about. Now it's actually incentive to stand and
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: listen time until you are offended and then have people charged.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: And for politicians to create legislation that is so sloppy
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: and vague. You can't create or have the effect of
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: creating an offensive environment. I mean, what on earth is
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: an offensive environment? And as the Publican Association, as you
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: rightly pointed out.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Not having a bar of it, very good.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I did notice that that then they'll have to be
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: the arbiters on what you can't be said in their pub.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Let me, you can only talk about the.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Weather, and even that is fraught because you might be
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: a climate denier.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: But may I say respectfully because I don't want to
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: offend or harass anyone. If you go to the pub,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: and mean feel offended by things that are said in
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: the pub.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't be going to the pub.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, the pub is one of the last places
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: where you can go and say outrageous things and tell
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: a few blue jokes and have some fun and let
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: off some steam without some blue headed feminist, lunatic, transgender
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: person whatever it might be, coming.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: And yanking you and saying, oh, you can't do that.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: The pub is the only place where you can still
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: do that stuff. Don't take our simple pleasures away from us, please.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Of course, Caleb Bond would be the one to.
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: Tell you that staying in the UK now here's stammer
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: as if his government and the nation forming under it
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: doesn't sound dystopian enough, he's now leaning into AI. Now,
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: the UK does have the third largest AI industry, just
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: after the US and China. Well, he's saying he's going
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: to harness this using it in his half a million.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Strong civil service.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: And the bill that they're looking at includes fifty recommendations
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: to boost AI driven efficiency in the public sector, from
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: education to detecting potholes. So my automatic question is, okay,
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: so what have you told the people to assure your
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: so many million strong public service won't be out of jobs?
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Obviously, if you're going to.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Be employing AI in any of these fields and you
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: make it ourg's going to be very impressive.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: Indeed, how are those people supposed to keep their jobs?
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: At the same time, here he was announcing it like
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: it was just a great thing and nobody's to have
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: a care in the world about this.
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: This is the nation of Babbage, of Lovelace, of Turing,
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: the gate birth to the modern computer and the World
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: Wide Web. So, mark my words, Britain will be one
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: of the great AI superpowers.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: It actually sounds very foreboding if you ask me. He
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: says that the government is going.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: To increase their server capacity twentyfold by twenty thirty and
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: this AI is going to be so powerful it can
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: play itself at chess half.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: A million times a second.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: I had to glance down because I didn't want to
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: get that wrong.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: This thing is going to be very powerful.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: Indeed, he's unleashing it in the public service. He's actually said, oh,
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: the regulations around this are going to be very flexible.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: Because we don't want to be like those.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: Other countries that keep having to beat up their AI
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: companies for you know, I don't know, privacy reasons, etc.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: And so on.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: We're going to be very flexible in our regulations. To me,
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: this sounds like a nightmare about to unfold in the UK.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I just felt like the announcement kind of fell flat.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, Kiirstarma, he stands up straight, We're going to
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: be the leader of AI in the world, and there's
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: this silence. I might as well have said, you know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: we're going to make porridge. This is a massive distraction,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: is it not. I mean, Kiirstarma, as you pointed out,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: is incredibly unpopular. There's a massive scandal taking place at
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: the moment over thousands of British girls who were raped
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: by Pakistani Muslims as authorities turned a blind eye. He's
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: got farmers protesting every weekend against him. They've got social
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: cohesion problems. So he's announcing We're going to be a
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: world leader in Ai. It reminds me of Albanesi government
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: trotting out that we're going to be a renewable energy
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: superpower line, which everybody knows means nothing. It sounds visionary,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: but the great thing about it is that you will
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: never have to be accountable for it, because this is
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: not something that a timeline ever applies to. It's just
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: one of those grand visions that sounds you, makes you
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: sound like a great leader. But you know what grand
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: vision has England recently compled? I mean, look what they
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: did to Jaguar. Is zach go By that well actually
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: kins Darma with.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Powerful on the UK's defense.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Jaguar land Rover is now owned by the Indians, so
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: it hasn't been directly destroyed by the UK. But it
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: is a very good point. But it may well be
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: a distraction, but it's a really dangerous distraction. You talk
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: about regulation, is he literally said, you know why don't
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: we try this thing out first before we regulated?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: When all of the biggest people involved in the AI industry,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Elon Musk.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: The people who started up chat, gpt, etc.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Came together last year and wrote an open letter saying,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: we actually need to slow down here a bit and
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: think seriously about regulation of AI before it gets out
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: of hand. To then be saying maybe we should try
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: it out before we regulate it is dangerous because we
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: know the endgame here. Once AI outsmarts us, it will take.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Over from us.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: You know, we will be the slaves of the robots.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: That is eventually where we'll end up. First, it'll take
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: our jobs, and then it'll take everything else. Once it
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: works out the way to outsmart us, it'll take control
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: of the computers. He won't be able to control them anymore.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: Yes, it'll be controlling us exactly. This is exactly what
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: the former CEO of Google said. He said, once this
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: thing can teach itself, it is going to be a
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: billion times smarter than any other. For the longest time,
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: humans have been the smartest life form on this planet.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: AI is going to be a life form all by itself.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: We are literally creating our own demise in this thing,
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: and the interviewer asked him me, the former CEO of Google, saying, okay,
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: so who's in charge of the kill switch? Then, before
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: this thing does become smarter than us, it does become
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: self taught, you won't.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Even necessarily know. And that's exactly what.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: The I can answer that question. No, we won't know.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: Until it happens, and then it will be too late.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: But thank god Joe Biden put Kamala Harris in charge
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: remember some time ago of making sure that AI was
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: safe for human beings. And as for your comment color
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: that Kirstarma wants to try this out before regulating it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: That's pretty much the story of his Prime ministery trying
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: it out, and then you'll think about some actual policies
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: that makes sense a bit later. But just staying with AI,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: there's an interesting court case in the US at the
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: moment where the state of Texas is suing the insurance
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: company All State because it turns out All State insurance
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: company paid millions of dollars for app developers to incorporate
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: software in their apps that would track drivers when they're
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: out and about on the road. Now they've been tracking
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: forty five million people as they drive their cars, monitoring
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: things like how quickly they speed up, how hard they
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: hit their brakes, and they've established the world's largest driver
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: behavior database. This, of course is important because they've been
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: able to use it in their insurance policies, determining whether
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: people are high risk or not based on their driving history,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: but just based on driving habits. Now, just because you
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: break suddenly doesn't mean you're a bad driver. It might
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: mean that you didn't run over the old lady.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: You stepped out in front.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Of the games.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: You should have run over the old lady. So you've
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: got a better insurance premium.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: You ought to know that exactly.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: And so this of course came to light some time
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: ago when owners of vehicles made by GM General Motors
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: noticed their insurance premiums went up massively in the course
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: of a year, and there'd been no crashes, no accidents.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: And when they found out why the insurance premiums had
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: gone suddenly up, they discovered that apps incorporated into electric
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: vehicles by manufacturers, we're doing the exact same thing. The
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: problem here is that it's being done without driver permission, consent,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: or even knowledge, and so effectively you're being spied on
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: in your car as you drive. The State of Texas
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: have said this is not on. They're suing all State
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: will see what happens.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: But are we really worried about this.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: When if you drive an electric car, effectively you've got
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: the Chinese Commonist Party tracking you. So you're that worried
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: about your insurers, that's probably the least of your concerns.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: So ignorant as to what is really going on with
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: these kinds of cars and these kinds of contraptions in
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: their cars. There's even been cases where people have successfully
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: sued because they've been inappropriate. Are tired because they think, well,
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: I'm in my car, no one's going to see me,
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: and then it turns out someone at Tesla has footage
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: of them being inappropriately attired. I'm saying that as politely
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: as I can, but these guys are responsible for collecting
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: trillions of miles worth of location data from forty five
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: million Americans unbeknownst to them, and then, of course these
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: insurance companies just sit on that data until one of
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: their clients asks for a.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: Quote or needs to renew, and all of.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: A sudden the price has gone up accordingly, so I
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: love that they've been busted, but it doesn't seem to
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: matter what happens. People simply trade their privacy for convenience
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: every single time.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: But this I'm going to start using this as an
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: example because every time, you know, my girlfriend gets the
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: erits with me because I'm like, no, don't that thing
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: to track you, and don't allow that to turn that
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: thing off, and don't use that particular bit of software
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: and whatever.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, but you know, the convenience, the convenience, This is
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Right. It starts out as then, oh, it's the convenience
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: of this thing knows what I want to do before
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: I even though I want to do it. And that
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: feels all terribly convenient until you go to look at
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: your new insurance premium and they're charging you another thousand
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: dollars because they've made a.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Judgment about you.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: It all started out lovely, it all started out convenience.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: They've now turned the tables on you. If the product
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: is free, and sometimes even a you've paid for the product,
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: i e. An electric vehicle, you paid tens of thousands,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: if not hundreds of thousands of dollars for the thing. Generally,
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: if the product is free. You are the product. Increasingly,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: you are the product in everything. This data is so
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: valuable to companies across the world. They want every bit
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: of data you will give them.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Please do not give it to them.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Just before you move on, because I think you're about
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: to move on. But I got to give some praise
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: to Bruce Willis. Do you remember his movie The Fifth Element?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: And in that movie, his character's driving a taxi and
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: the taxi is programmed so that when he exceeds a
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: speed limit, the taxi issues him the cab driver with
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: a fine and then takes his license off him, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: then the card just stops.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: He can't drive anymore.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: That's about where we're headed Element Back in the eighties,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I think that movie predicted all of this.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: God if that happens, I'm in big, big trouble because
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I can't say I'm the only one on this desk
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: who hasn't had a speeding fine.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: And it's not because I don't speed. I just don't speed.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: An Now, an interesting case down in South Australia where
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: a young boy went into a shopping center with what
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: was basically a toy gun, but he modified the toy
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: gun so that he could propel a weapon with it,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: like it had a needle or some such in it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: He shot it at a woman in the shopping center.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: She was injured, she had to go off to hospital.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: He will now have to go off and face the
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: youth court facing weapons charges. But of course the SDA,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: the Shoppies Union, has now come out and said, well, look,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: this potentially could have been stopped before that woman was shot,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: in effect, if security guards had been allowed to intervene.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: But as the law currently stands, security guards are allowed
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: to do nothing. Josh Peak is the secretary of the
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: SDA in South Australia, and he said it was another
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: concerning incident that demonstrated the need for a review of
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: shopping center security, particularly looking at guards level of training
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: and powers and safety at major centers. And I read
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: this saying I thought, actually, yes, why don't we give
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: more power to shopping center guards or security guards with
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: proper training?
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: It should be said.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think that any old bloke should
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: just be able to walk in and start walking around
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: the shopping center beating up little kids because he thinks
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: they're carrying a gun or whatever. But with proper training,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: why should they not be allowed to carry tasers, a
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: non lethal weapon, and why should they not be able
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: to intervene personally in a situation or in a security
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: guard now see someone shoplifting, or they see someone they
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: think is about to commit an offense, they can't do anything.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: All they can do is stand there and call the cops.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: What is the point of a security guard if they
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: can't actually guard anything?
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: You've seen some of the local security guards at our
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: shopping centers. Is no one I would give some of
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: those guys a taser, not a chance in proper training.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't say any They would need a.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Lot of training.
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: Security guards makes me feel unsafe because every time I
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: spy one, I don't know about you, but I'm like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: I could take you curiously. They are half asleep, they
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: don't look very.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Athletic, and they're just standing there. They have no weaponry.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: So again, if something happens a kid like this or
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: someone like me, we've a spec in the distance before
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: they're even reaching pace. I genuinely every time I see
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: a security guard. And I crossed the Sydney Harbor Bridge
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: quite a lot on runs and jogs and what have you,
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: And there's three station there around the clock, right, And
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: I don't mean to pick on them, but every single
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: time they're either on their phone, they're half asleep. I
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: mean literally their eyes are closed and they're just standing there.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: And because they're still in it so far apart.
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: From each other, I'm like, if anything happens, say in
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: between the three, I don't know that either of you
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: could get there in time to save anyone from.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Anything, even if they did have pals, even if they
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: had a taser. You've got an eleven year old kid
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: waving around a toy gun. Is a security guard really
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: going to realize before this kid pulls the trigger and
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: a projectile comes out injuring a woman?
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Is a security guard really going to know that eleven.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: Year old really is Let's say he did have a
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: taser and he tased.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: This tid exactly over a toy gun.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I'm not showing you taser for the kid with a
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: toy gun. But but in situations like the Bondi stabbing
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: last year, for instance, why was there not a way
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: that a security guard could have intervened in that?
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: What was there not the way that all the men
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: in the shopping center didn't intervene in that?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Because they had.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Hundreds of They sense they can't carry weapons either, can.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: They well know, But I mean the point I would.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: Have just run into one of the many stores in
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: that westfield that sells knives and just fight fire with fire.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: But this is the problem is that people don't feel
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: like they're able to do that. Least security guards, who
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: actually have legislation that prevents them from intervening in these situations.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: They should be empowered to do so.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: I'd be very interested to know whether they even get
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: any kind of training for emergency situations.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: There was an instance, genuinely, there was an instance last.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Year in Paran, so in twenty twenty three in Peran
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: in Melbourne where someone shoplifted and the security guards saw
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: them shoplifting and so then said can I see your receipt?
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: The person refused to show the receipt, just walked straight past.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: So security guard chases him out on the street. There's
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: a punch on in the street. Will call sack the
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: security guard because he was deemed to have gone too far.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: But I suggest there'd be less shoplifting these more security guards.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: The punch on genuinely there just as a visual stickative,
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: you know, deterrent. But everybody knows what are you actually
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: going to do? If I walk out.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: Of here with a trolley full of stuff, what are
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: you actually going to do?
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: Probably nothing.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: But before we go to an ad break, we have
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: to show you this speech from Biden yesterday at the
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: State Department. To listen to him, you'd think that this
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: has been the greatest presidency of all time and there
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: are absolutely no problems left in the world.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: He solved the lot.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Right now.
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: In my view, thanks to our administration, the United States
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: is winning the worldwide competition Compared to four years ago.
• 35:55
  Speaker 10: America is stronger, our alliances are stronger, Our adversaries and
• 36:00
  Speaker 10: competitors are weaker. We have not gone to war to
• 36:04
  Speaker 10: make these things happen. During my presidency, have increased America's
• 36:08
  Speaker 10: power every dimension. We've increased our diplomatic power, creating more
• 36:13
  Speaker 10: allies the United States has ever had in the history
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: of our nation. We've increased our military power, making the
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: most significant investments in the defense industrial base in decades.
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: We've increased the technology power, taking the lead and artificial
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: intelligence and other technologies in the future. And we've increased
• 36:31
  Speaker 10: the economic power, building the most dynamic economy in the
• 36:35
  Speaker 10: world from the bottom up, in the middle out, not
• 36:38
  Speaker 10: the top down.
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  Speaker 5: You needed subtitles for that, didn't you. I'm sorry we
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: should have put some up.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: But of course it wouldn't be a Biden speech if
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: he didn't forget something a little bit important.
• 36:51
  Speaker 10: So when I took office, I had a choice. Only
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: I saw no reason to keep thousands of servicemen in Afghanistan.
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: I think I have my schedule with me, and I
• 37:02
  Speaker 10: keep under my I don't hear, don'tut, but I keep
• 37:04
  Speaker 10: on the back of my car. The actual number of
• 37:08
  Speaker 10: dead and wounded occurred in our longest war. To mind myself, Oh, this.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: Close to making a really persanent powerful point, couldn't quite.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Get it across the law.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're going to go with I hold this
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: card to remind myself of how many Americans are being
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: killed in the line of Juy.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I have it all the time.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: You probably have it on the tide to pull it out.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: we'll look at what's making news tomorrow, including a report
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: that deradicalization programs are actually making some potential terrorists actually worse.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: All of that in just a moment. Welcome back.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Well, let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: But of course there's a breaking story right now we
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: alluded to earlier in the program, with a deal between
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Hamas and Israel for the release of hostages. Caleb, you've
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: got more information on that story, which is, as I said,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: breaking right now.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Indeed, we'll start with the Australian now when we bringing
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: you the papers every night, we bring you the first
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: edition of the newspaper, and of course by the second
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: and third editions, this story will be updated.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: But the version we had sent.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: To us earlier this evening from the Odds said that
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Israel and Hamas were close to securing a deal overnight
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: to halt the fighting in Gaza and return the hostages.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: As outgoing US President Joe.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Biden declared, we're at the brink of a proposal in
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: a speech defending his foreign policy legacy, which we were
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: just talking about. Well, the latest of the Times of
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: Israel now says that Hamas has accepted a draft agreement
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: for a cease far in the Gaza strip and the
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: release of dozens of hostages. Two officials involved in the
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: talks say an Israeli official says that progress has been made,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: but the details are being finalized. Now. The Associated Press
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: has obtained a copy of the proposed agreement. An Egyptian
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: official and a Hamas official have confirmed the authenticity of
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: this document. The plan would need to be submitted to
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Israel's cabinet for final approval. Now these officials spoken can
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: of anonymity because, of course these discussions are being held
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: behind closed doors. But according to the draft of the
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: deal being negotiated between Israel and Hamas, Israel will pay
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: a steep price to secure the release of female soldiers
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: being held hostage, which is according to this copy that's
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: been obtained by the Associated Press, the three phase agreement
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: would begin with the gradual release of thirty three hostages
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: over a six week period. That would include women, children,
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: older adults, and wounded civilians, and that would be in
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: exchange for potentially hundreds of Palestinian women and children who
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: are currently imprisoned in Israel. Among the thirty three would
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: be five female Israeli soldiers, each of whom would be
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: released in exchange for fifty Palestinian prisoners, including thirty convicted
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: security prisoners who are currently serving life sentences. During this
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: first forty two day pause, Israeli forces would withdraw from
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: population centers, Stinians would be allowed to start returning to
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: their homes in northern Gaza, and there would be a
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: surge of humanitarian aid, with some six hundred trucks entering
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: each day. So of course what we are talking about
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: here is hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Palestinians being
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: handed over in exchange for a relatively small number of Israelis.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: That was probably what was always going to happen, but
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: when it comes to these negotiations, it would seem that
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: is how far they have to go in order to
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: get anything over the line.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: The thing people have to remember is that Yaya Sinhwa,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: who was in charge of Hamas and who orchestrated the
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: October seven attack.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: He's now deceased, but he.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Of course himself was the result of a prisoner swap
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: where they swapped one hundred I think it was about
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: a thousand is Palestinian prisoners for one Israeli soldier, and
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: of course Yaya Sinhwa went on to orchestrate and lead
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: that October seven attack. So any release of terrorists back
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: into the Populace is a bad deal for Israel. The
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: other question I would have over this is you've got
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: thirty three hostages released over six weeks, which begs the question,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: what about the other sixty or so hostages, because we
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: believe there's about ninety or so still in Gaza.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Does that mean that the balance of hostages are deceased?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Is that what that means?
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Or does it mean that there are certain people who
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: are being left behind and are not part of this deal.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: They'll be left to languish until another deal has worked.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: Out, and that will be the question at the forefront
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: of the minds of the family and friends of the
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: hostages still remaining in Gaza.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: Obviously, I mean, when I heard that there was a
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: deal made, it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: Was like, oh, thank God, is this finally over for them?
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: But no, we're just talking about thirty three out of
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: what we know is approximately one hundred at the moment,
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: so this is still far from over. This itself is
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: going to play out over six weeks, as you've.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Said, but it is staged at any minute.
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: Like we saw with the ceasepire that didn't cease fire
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: for very long because Hamas didn't uphold their end of
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: the bargain, a.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: Deal was made, a deal was struck, and a deal.
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: Was broken pretty much as soon as it was inked.
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: So this is we'll give you this many hostages, you
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: withdraw from here, etc.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: And so on.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: It's it's certainly something which is better than nothing. But
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: given how many stages there are to this agreement, and
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: the fact that this doesn't mean all the hostages.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: Are returned to Israel, this is one step in a.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: What appears to be still a very very long process ahead,
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: which does beg the question because we were talking earlier saying, oh, well,
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: this is Trump.
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: This is Trump saying if you.
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: Guys haven't returned all the hostages by January twentieth, there
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: will be held to pay. I am going to mess
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: things up. Well, clearly that's not going to have that.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: We won't even have the thirty three back by January twentieth,
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: much less all of them. So it does beg the question, Okay,
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: where does that stand now? Once a Trump administration is
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: involved in the negotiations going forward?
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: What now?
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Because Trump can't exactly come in and say this was
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: a bad deal, They're still going to be hell to
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: pay if Israel have made a deal with her.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Muss that's just going to be the lay of the land.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: We'll see if they reneg on the deal, what may happen,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: and we talk about Donald Trump. It also says on
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: the front of the ears tomorrow Albanize he invited Trump
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: here in his first phone call. Anthony Albanze he invited
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump to Australia in their first phone call, a
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: day after the incoming US president won the November five election.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: I mean warnings the Prime Minister will find it difficult
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: to fit in a face to face meeting with the
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: president elect before he heads to the polls. I mean
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: imagine having the high and you know, I get it's
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: nice to say you should come and have a look
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: at my country, but you know, you're Anthony Albaniasi on
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: the phone to Donald Trump, and you're like, look, buddy,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: I've got an election myself next year and I really
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: don't think I can get away from the country because
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: I'm worried about how.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: This thing is going to go.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Do you mind just popping over to Australia instead of
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: me coming to see you.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I think it'd be easier for me.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: But the other part of that is why didn't Anthony
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Albanezi say until now, by the way of inviting Donald
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Trump to Australia.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: Why is he not advertised up for Jesus speculation? And
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: everyone laughing about the fact that clearly the so honestly,
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: if I was Trump, I wouldn't bother with him because
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: he's not going to be in the prime ministership.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: Lot to pay any attention to. And in recent.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: Years Australia has become a bit of a laughing stock
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: with our revolving door of prime ministers.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: We've got we've got a couple of minutes left. Let's
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: run through what we've got on the papers.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: For Indeed, the Herald Son tomorrow says Ossie prisoner of
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: war dead to Melbourne man finding in Ukraine is believed
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: to have been executed after he was captured by Russian
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: forces last month. I'm sure that story will continue to
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: play out tomorrow from our own Sophie Illsworth above it
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: there something that makes your skin crawl leap for life
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: in Landslide miracle council worker lucky to be alive after
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: luxury home he was inside plunges fifty meters down a cliff.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: This is on the Mornington peninsulally. You can see the
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: rubble of the house there that he was inside. Can
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: you imagine being in that situation that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: There was a landslide a week ago.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: The council worker was there inspecting the home that had
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: been declared off limits. He stepped onto the balcony and
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: the whole thing slid straight down the hill. So lucky
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: no one was killed, and of course begs the question
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: why they're inspecting a house that was so unstable in
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: the first place. Let's go to the cans Post. The
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: tipping point reads the headline far North Queenslander's calling for
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: additional police resources as skyrocket. In fact, on the homepage
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: of the cans Post there are not one, not two,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: but three stories about car thefts.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: So that's rampant in.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Cans and Townsville. Of course with problems too. They're well
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: known case on the front page of the bulletin in
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Townsville no adult time for juvenile stab accused. There was
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: the case of the young person who went into a
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: shopping center and stabbed a woman in the back.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: She was lucky not to be killed.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: But it turns out that the state government's adult crime
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: adult time laws don't apply to attempted murder and so
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: he won't be given adult time if convicted of that,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: which seems a pretty massive.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Anomal in the law through the ranks.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Anyway, I guess Sir David Chris fully will fix that
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: up if he's really committed to stopping crime. We're going
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: to go to a break when we come back. Gavin Newsom,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: the governor of California, a very strange man, will show
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: some video footage that is quite odd.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: See what you think in just a moment.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Well, with the LA fires, California Governor Gavin Newsom has
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: been on our television screens a lot, and Liz I
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: have to ask, is it just me or is he strange?
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Incredibly strange. I don't know what this guy is taking.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: But I'm sure you might have some thoughts after you
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: see these cliffs.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: The reservoirs are empty.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: LA is battling the worst fires of its existence, and
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: yet the governor seems strangely upbaate, even doing a bit
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: of an interpretive dance while talking to a reporter.
• 47:22
  Speaker 11: I was just talking to Josh Green, the governor of
• 47:25
  Speaker 11: down in Hawaii. You had some ideas around some land
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: use concerns he has run, speculators coming in buying up
• 47:32
  Speaker 11: properties and the like. So we're already working with our
• 47:35
  Speaker 11: legal teams to move those things forward, and we'll be
• 47:38
  Speaker 11: presenting those in a matter of days, not just weeks.
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: Pretty upbeate, don't you think it gets worse?
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Here he is talking to a different reporter, still surrounded
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: by the rubble of his city. You'd think he was
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: some sort of US Land interpreter.
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: Over the course the next several years, Los Angeles will
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: be host to the World Cup and then the Super
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: Bowl and then the Olympics. With this rebuilding effort needing
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: to take place, is La going to be ready for
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: all of those global events?
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: My humble position.
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: And it's and it's not just being naively optimistic. That
• 48:14
  Speaker 12: only reinforces the imperative moving quickly doing in the spirit
• 48:18
  Speaker 12: of collaboration, cooperation. And that's why we're already organizing a
• 48:22
  Speaker 12: Marshall plan. We already have a team of looking and
• 48:25
  Speaker 12: reimagining La two point zero, and we're making sure everyone's included,
• 48:29
  Speaker 12: not just the folks on the coast of people here
• 48:31
  Speaker 12: that we're ravaged by this disaster.
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: Oh, we're going to be fine, We're going to be
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: back online.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: In twenty twenty eight, we're going to be.
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: Hosting the Olympics. This is very interesting actually because for
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: a long time now La two point oh they've been
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: talking about becoming this futuristic city of La twenty twenty eight.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: You can read all about it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: They're going to be highly digitized and very technical, and
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: now he gets to build the city of his dreams.
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: Is ways so up beat.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: There's rubble right behind him.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: He's got a massive smile, he's got all these moves
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: and talk about his If that was your place, how.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Would you be feeling.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: He's like, things are really bad, but I just.
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: Had an idea and I can talk about it on
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: a Camera're going to get.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Out of the hole.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: No, you had it unbelievable. That's all.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: We've got time for good night from us, but stick around.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Coming up is Rita Pinnahet