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Killers Amongst Us: Jodi Arias Stabs Naked Lover Dead In Shower (episode 3) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. You know,
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Speaker 1: we go through life and we meet so many people
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Speaker 1: along the way, people you pick up and leave behind,
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Speaker 1: or you pick up and carry with you for a while,
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Speaker 1: and it seems like it all in and out as
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Speaker 1: you go through life, and you really never know who
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Speaker 1: you're passing along the way, whose life is going to
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Speaker 1: intersect with yours, and what if any effect it may have. Well,
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Speaker 1: the same thing here Jody Arius and Travis Alexander's lives
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Speaker 1: intersect or should I say collided? Who would have ever
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Speaker 1: suspected Killers amongst Us? I mean, Ncy Grace, thanks for
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Speaker 1: being with us. With me is what a group of experts.
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Speaker 1: Alexis tos Chuck, Crime Online dot com investigative reporter, also
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Speaker 1: with Lead Stories dot Com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon Star, Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network. Death
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Speaker 1: investigator Karen Stark, renowned psychologist joining us out of New York.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Karen Stark dot com. Kirk
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Speaker 1: Nurmi legal commentator, cast member Radical Body Transformation Season three,
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Speaker 1: Amazon Prime, and more importantly, in My Mind, author of
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Speaker 1: Trapped with miss Arius. You can find him at Kirk
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Speaker 1: Nurmi dot com Special guests with Me. A very dear
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Speaker 1: friend of Travis Alexander's Chris Hughes, inspirational speaker, author of
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Speaker 1: an Amazon number one seller, Our Friend Travis, The Travis
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Speaker 1: Alexander's Story. You can find him on instat at the
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Speaker 1: Real C. S. Hughes. Guys, thank you for being with me.
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Speaker 1: And before we go forward, I just want to pause
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Speaker 1: a moment and think about Travis Alexander and how he
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Speaker 1: and jodi Arius have affected in some way all of
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Speaker 1: our lives. We left off with friends warning Travis Alexander
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Speaker 1: that Jodi Arius was not as she seemed, but he
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Speaker 1: was hooked or should I say they were hooked on
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Speaker 1: each other. It was like a drug. No matter how
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Speaker 1: many times you warned him, Chris, he would not break up. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was a weird thing. He I think what you
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Speaker 1: said was accurately hooked on each other. I mean at
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Speaker 1: her hooks and him. She wanted to be married so
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Speaker 1: bad and and play playhouse. And you know Travis was
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Speaker 1: had been living the Mormon lifestyle for a long time,
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly he's not living so Mormon anymore, you know,
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Speaker 1: with their rendezvous, and they couldn't give each other up. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: everything that Jodi Aris was doing was calculated toward marriage
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Speaker 1: with Travis Alexander. She found a catch and she was
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Speaker 1: not letting go much less throwing it back in the water.
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Speaker 1: That was not going to happen. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Aaron Dewey speaking to me. Aaron, you told me that
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Speaker 1: you lived with Travis during the time he dated Jodi Aris.
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Speaker 1: What was that relationship? Why what did you observe? If anything?
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Speaker 1: You know, when they first met, Travis was on cloud nine.
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Speaker 1: Here was a very attractive young lady that he that
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Speaker 1: he had met at that convention in Las Vegas. They
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Speaker 1: shared a lot of similar interests, some similar passions, a
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Speaker 1: real drive and ambition in life, and so he thought
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Speaker 1: he had found the one. And at the beginning of
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Speaker 1: the relationship, everything seemed like it was going to go
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Speaker 1: perfectly and possibly go all the way. You know, things
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Speaker 1: deteriorated quickly. There were lots of trust issues and out
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Speaker 1: right there, why there, Aaron, let's not put perfume on
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Speaker 1: the pig. What do you mean by there were a
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Speaker 1: lot of trust issues. Well, you know, she's admitted in
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Speaker 1: some of her statements that she would go through his emails,
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Speaker 1: his social media accounts, his text messages. There was a
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Speaker 1: time when they were on vacation together and he was
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Speaker 1: a sleeper in the shower and a text message came
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Speaker 1: in from another girl, and she responded to that girl
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Speaker 1: as if she was Travis, telling her how happy that
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Speaker 1: he was to be with her and she's the best
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Speaker 1: thing that ever happened, in an attempt to scare the
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Speaker 1: scroll away from Travis. Okay, right there, Alexis. I want
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Speaker 1: to come to you for the facts behind that. But
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Speaker 1: just right there, Karen Stark, we're now a psychologist joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Manhattan going through somebody's text messages, their emails,
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Speaker 1: much less doing it on the sly when the person
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Speaker 1: is a sleeper in the shower. I mean, waiting for
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Speaker 1: that moment and then actually responding to someone as if
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Speaker 1: you are the owner of the phone. That's that's beyond
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Speaker 1: the pail, Karen, right there, not beyond the pail for
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Speaker 1: somebody who has an antisocial personality, Nancy, this is somebody
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Speaker 1: who has to have possession of the other person in dominance,
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Speaker 1: it's pathological possessive. Oh where he was, what he was doing?
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Speaker 1: And ted total in troll. Kirk Nermi, author of Trapped
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Speaker 1: with miss Arius on Amazon, Kirk, I think I told you.
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Speaker 1: By the time I was alone with David's laptop, my
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Speaker 1: now husband, and I thought, well, I guess i'd better
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Speaker 1: check his emails. I didn't really even have a curiosity,
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Speaker 1: but I thought, well, here's his email, let's open, and
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Speaker 1: I'm alone, I'll check it. I thought I was gonna die. Kirk.
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Speaker 1: It was so boring. No matter how much I looked,
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Speaker 1: I found nothing. It was all about business transactions. My
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Speaker 1: eyes were bleeding. I swore to never subject myself to
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Speaker 1: that again, and I have not. And I'm happy to
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Speaker 1: say that was over fifteen years ago that I dared
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Speaker 1: to look at his email. It was awful. My point is,
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Speaker 1: what right there you were quote Trapped with miss Arius?
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Speaker 1: Did you ever feel that she was second guessing everything
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Speaker 1: you said and not trusting what you had, what your
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Speaker 1: thoughts were, well, Karen said was exactly right about control.
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Speaker 1: Miss Arius wants to have controls. She wants to have
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Speaker 1: dominance over a person. So one of the things I
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Speaker 1: experienced in my five and a half years, yes, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: five and a half years of being trapped with miss Arius,
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Speaker 1: was the constant phone calls, the constant need for control,
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Speaker 1: the constant monitoring, the constant desire for attention to make
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Speaker 1: sure that she was in control. I saw that for
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Speaker 1: five and a half years. Well, you know what, Travis
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Speaker 1: was really no match for that kind of single mindedness.
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Speaker 1: But listening to his friends, things slowly began to change.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: It didn't take long for the relations to cool, partly
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Speaker 1: because of Travis Alexander's interest in other women. Here's picture
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Speaker 1: Perfect author Shanahoga. Jody went through his phone and discovered
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Speaker 1: these florty messages to other women, and she decided to
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Speaker 1: end the relationship at that point. But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: Travis was looking to end the relationship, and partly of
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Speaker 1: arius Is possessiveness. The couple did end the relationship, but
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Speaker 1: continued to be friends with benefits. You know that whole
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Speaker 1: friends with benefits that that sounds way off kilter. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you're supposed to be friends, but you're sleeping together. I
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Speaker 1: just don't see how that can ever work out in
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Speaker 1: any good way. Never a good ending there. So Alexis
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Speaker 1: terrescheck joining me crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Thanks
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Speaker 1: finally began to cool down. How well. Jody actually moved
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Speaker 1: about a thousand miles away from Travis. He was living
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Speaker 1: in Phenix, Arizona. She at this point had no jobs.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't living with him, she wasn't living with any
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Speaker 1: of our other ex boyfriends. She kind of had no options,
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Speaker 1: you know, she had no boyfriend, no jobs. So she
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Speaker 1: moved back home to Wayrika, California, which is kind of
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Speaker 1: right on the border of California and Organ It's very
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Speaker 1: northern California. You know, her family owned a restaurant, and
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Speaker 1: she moved back there. So they were not really in
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Speaker 1: contact in person, but they kept up. They're very spicy
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Speaker 1: sex phone sex conversations, which there are tons Yeah there,
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Speaker 1: as you say, spicy sex life through phone sex with me,
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Speaker 1: Alexis eschat crime online dot com and lead stories dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Alexis hold on, hold on, so they break up? Wait? Wait,
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Speaker 1: let me go to Chris, he's longtime friend of Travis.
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Speaker 1: Alexander's did he reveal to you that he and Jodie
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Speaker 1: have broken up. You know, it's also fuzzy to me.
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Speaker 1: And I mean I really in all the conversations I
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Speaker 1: had with Travis, I don't ever remember him telling me
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Speaker 1: he was with her. You know, hey, we're she's my
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Speaker 1: girlfriend now, you know, we're in a committed, loving relationship.
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Speaker 1: We never had that conversation, so there was there was
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Speaker 1: no conversation to be had on the back end, you know,
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Speaker 1: just to say, hey, we're update, we're broken up now.
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Speaker 1: But the only thing that he ever did say to
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Speaker 1: me is he would complain. He would complain about her,
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Speaker 1: you know, little things here and there. He never told
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Speaker 1: me about the big things, because if he told me
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Speaker 1: about the big things, like like slashing his tires and
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Speaker 1: stealing things from his house, you know, I would have
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Speaker 1: been like, you know, I told you, did I tell you?
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Speaker 1: Didn't I tell you she was nuts? So he wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: He would never tell me about the big like really
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Speaker 1: violating psychotic things that she was doing. And I had
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Speaker 1: to find out about much much of this after the fact. Unfortunately, Well,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Chris Hughes take a listener friends at
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Speaker 1: ABC's twenty twenties. I absolutely know that she was stalking
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Speaker 1: him many times, just like when she went in through
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Speaker 1: the back door when he was, you know, kissing another
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Speaker 1: girl and his cow. She mean, she's spying on him,
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Speaker 1: That's what's really happening there. She slashed his tires, she
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Speaker 1: broke into his email account, she hack into his Facebook page,
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Speaker 1: she broke into his house and stole his journals. She
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Speaker 1: read his diary. She just stood these crazy stalking behaviors. Okay,
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Speaker 1: whoa wait, it's just like drinking from the fire hydrant.
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Speaker 1: There's just so much here you can't drink it all
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Speaker 1: in at once. Alexis to rest Chuck speaking of her
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Speaker 1: showing up after they're broken up. Okay, so they break up,
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Speaker 1: she shows up at his home. What a coinkie dink
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Speaker 1: that it's when he has a date with another woman.
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Speaker 1: Now you know, she was hacking into his email and
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Speaker 1: text his phone message. She knew they had a date,
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Speaker 1: and so she was hanging around stalking out his you know,
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Speaker 1: really watching. Could have been arrested, could have been arrested
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Speaker 1: for being like a peeping tom, for trust passing, and
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Speaker 1: can you imagine you've got a date you don't really
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Speaker 1: know the person, and you're potentially sharing your first kiss
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Speaker 1: on the sofa, and then out of the corner of
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Speaker 1: your eye you see Jodi Aris his head up behind
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Speaker 1: the bushes. And this terrified not only Travis, but all
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Speaker 1: his roommates were really afraid of her. And then he
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Speaker 1: gets up one morning and his tires are splashed his
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Speaker 1: new car, and they immediately there's not even a question
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Speaker 1: anyone's mind. They're not thinking, oh, this is maybe some
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Speaker 1: teenage pranksters in neighborhood. Nope, everybody knew it was Jodi Arius.
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Speaker 1: There wasn't a share. What it's the phrase an ounce
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Speaker 1: of doubts, a shred of doubt, shred head, Oh thank you? Yeah? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And what about that Chris Hughes, he never told you
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Speaker 1: that he suspected Jody Arius of slitting his tires. Towards
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Speaker 1: the very end he did because it was I mean,
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Speaker 1: it had gotten out, you know, we were all talking
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Speaker 1: about it, because it happens twice. It didn't just happen
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Speaker 1: one time. It happened twice, and it was on his
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Speaker 1: BMW and anybody's ever owned a VMW, those tires are about,
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Speaker 1: you know, three to five hundred dollars each and it
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Speaker 1: was a big It was devastating, you know, financially, he
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Speaker 1: wasn't in a good spot. And here's the cycle passing
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Speaker 1: his tires. And I remember the second time, he didn't
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Speaker 1: even know what he's gonna do. He was so distraught financially,
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Speaker 1: you know what he couldn't pay for. He couldn't pay
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Speaker 1: for another tire. It's like, how many times do you
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Speaker 1: have to do this with this woman? Wow? So did
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Speaker 1: he ever talk to you about when she kind of
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Speaker 1: like rose up in the window while he was kissing
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Speaker 1: his new date. No, he wouldn't, dare He never brought
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Speaker 1: that up. Well, speaking of stalking steaking out, The two
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Speaker 1: were technically broken up, but one thing seemed to hold
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Speaker 1: them together a hot sex life. Listen, you are either
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Speaker 1: in the bath. Oh, when we took a bath together,
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Speaker 1: that was that was s real anest. I mean maybe
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Speaker 1: he candle lights the bubbles. If you were amazing? You
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Speaker 1: made me seriously, you made me feel like a godden.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't saying you were like worshiping me, but you were.
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Speaker 1: You made me feel like I was the most freaking
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Speaker 1: beautiful woman on the whole planet. Right, I so felt
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Speaker 1: like I was a goddess and so aside from all
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Speaker 1: those form susy feelings, but like it was, it was
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Speaker 1: so sexy and I'm so hot and oh gosh, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, that's a lot of hard where the curity
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Speaker 1: pop were, ri kids, you were hot, a beauty woman.
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Speaker 1: You are seriously hearing about because I touched yourself. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm already right, I just started. I'm gonna tell you
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Speaker 1: to as treat it. What's that, I'm gonna tell you
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Speaker 1: to a treat Oh my gosh, that is so debasing. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So that's just a tiny tidbit of the fantasy life
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Speaker 1: and the phone sex life that Arius was serving up,
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Speaker 1: and Travis Alexander fell for it, and yes he went
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Speaker 1: along with it. Yes he continued to have sex with
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Speaker 1: Jody Arius. I mean, I wonder if he had any
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Speaker 1: idea that he was being manipulated by sex all along.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Karen Stark, this is the oldest story in
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Speaker 1: the book. It certainly is dancy, and you know we're
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Speaker 1: talking about it. We're listening to the voice of somebody
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Speaker 1: who was really manipulated by her, and that is not
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Speaker 1: a difficult thing to do when dealing with someone who's
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Speaker 1: a psychopath. Because she comes up. Listen to her, she's giggling,
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Speaker 1: you know, like, Oh, I'm a little embarrassed to be
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Speaker 1: saying this, but it's hot and it can be very
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Speaker 1: enticing to someone who doesn't realize that they're dealing with
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Speaker 1: a machine, a person who is devoided guilt and empathy
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Speaker 1: and who is very, very dangerous. And you know, I
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Speaker 1: want to go now for the first time to death Investigator,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, Joseph Scott, Morgan, Joe Scott.
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Speaker 1: The sex aspect of their relationship after the breakup is
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Speaker 1: very critical because from what I have seen, and this
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Speaker 1: is anecdotal on my part, when you have a sex
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Speaker 1: fueled attack, the crime scene is crazy. Yeah, You're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: It's it turns in a lot of these that I've
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Speaker 1: seen over the years turned into just absolute bloodbath too.
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Speaker 1: Chris Hugh's a long time friend of Travis Alexander's. Chris,
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Speaker 1: did you have any idea? I mean, did Travis tell
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Speaker 1: you he was still seeing Jody Arius for sex? True,
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Speaker 1: they weren't really getting back together, but they were still
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Speaker 1: seeing each other. Yeah, he didn't mention it. I mean
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Speaker 1: the timeline of all of this gets, you know, gets
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Speaker 1: fuzzy after all these years. But I do remember that
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Speaker 1: they were continuing to take trips together. You know, I
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Speaker 1: would either see online or or would hear about them
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Speaker 1: taking trips. But no, he just didn't talk about it,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean after that experience in my house
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Speaker 1: and I told him she's not welcome here and sky
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Speaker 1: kicked her out of our house and told her what
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Speaker 1: she really thought about her. Unfortunately, Travis kind of took
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Speaker 1: that whole relationship underground. We just didn't talk about her
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Speaker 1: because he knew exactly how I felt about her. So
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Speaker 1: he certainly didn't tell you he was hooking it. Definitely
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Speaker 1: didn't tell me that too. Alexi's to rest check joining
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Speaker 1: me crime online dot com, Alexis, how was Jody Area
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Speaker 1: is still seeing Travis Alexander. I mean, she lives a
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Speaker 1: whole state away. They she would drive down and meet him,
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Speaker 1: and they would meet up. They would have their secret
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Speaker 1: remnevis and in fact, he even told her that he
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Speaker 1: was going to take her on a trip that he
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Speaker 1: was going kind of he was going on a business
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Speaker 1: trip where he was it was a reward for the
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Speaker 1: highest sellers, and he was going to take Jody on
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Speaker 1: this trip to Kanco in Mexico with him, so even
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Speaker 1: but this is what he told her. Now is that
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Speaker 1: the same trip he ended up planning to take another woman. Yep,
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Speaker 1: changed his mind after things went they you know, they
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Speaker 1: had kept up their phone sex, they saw each other.
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Speaker 1: She would drive down there secretly. But then he told
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Speaker 1: her I'm not taking you anymore. I'm going to take
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Speaker 1: another woman. And her response was to drive all the
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Speaker 1: way I guess across the desert to get to him
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Speaker 1: and have a day of marathon sex to convince him
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Speaker 1: to take her instead of the other day. Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: you're the shrink, and boy do we need a shrink
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Speaker 1: right now. If a guy told me, hey, you know,
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Speaker 1: I promise I was going to take it to can Kom,
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Speaker 1: but I decided to take somebody else, I would never
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Speaker 1: call him text him again, and no matter how I
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Speaker 1: felt about it, and it might kill me to cut
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Speaker 1: it off, that would be it. I sure as they
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Speaker 1: wouldn't drive across a desert to get to him for
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Speaker 1: a day of marathon sex to convince him otherwise, I mean,
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Speaker 1: who wants him for Pete's sake? But that's not the
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Speaker 1: way she saw it. Karen Stark, No, she didn't, because
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Speaker 1: you're talking about yourself man to the irrational person, and
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Speaker 1: you're not talking although she wasn't irrational. You're talking her
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Speaker 1: again about that possessiveness, that pathological possessiveness. She had to
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Speaker 1: have him. It had nothing to do with love or caring.
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Speaker 1: He could not be with someone else, and so in
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Speaker 1: a way, it was a challenge for her. She drove
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Speaker 1: across the desert. She was going to do any kind
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Speaker 1: of sexual act or a thing that you could possibly
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Speaker 1: do to get this guy to stay connected to her.
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Speaker 1: Because this was a challenge and a game. It had
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with feeling. It's almost like, let me
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Speaker 1: out a Kurt Narmy. You've spent more time with Arias
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Speaker 1: than any of us have. It's almost like an addiction.
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Speaker 1: I'm like any contact with your target, if you're a
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Speaker 1: stalker with your love object, any contact, if it's a
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Speaker 1: phone call, if it's a text, if you force yourself
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Speaker 1: on them by driving across the desert to be with them,
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Speaker 1: whether they're expecting you or not, it is like a
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Speaker 1: hit of crack or a hit of heroine. It palms
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Speaker 1: you down for a little while at least until you
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Speaker 1: need another hit. Did you get a peak of that
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Speaker 1: part of Jody Airis's personality? Oh, unfortunately I got more
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Speaker 1: than a peak, Nancy, And you bet, I mean that
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Speaker 1: is exactly it. The need to control has to be
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Speaker 1: satiated over and over again. And I certainly remember when
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Speaker 1: I tried to get away from her in April of
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Speaker 1: excuse me, in January of twenty eleven, when I was
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Speaker 1: going to leave the Public Defender's office. She did absolutely
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Speaker 1: everything she could. She got the judge to appoint lawyers
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Speaker 1: on her behalf, to do everything, she could, call me
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Speaker 1: as many times as a day she could with her
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Speaker 1: different arguments of why I should remain as her lawyer
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Speaker 1: when I was trying to get off. So she did
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Speaker 1: everything she could to keep that control, to keep that possessiveness,
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Speaker 1: and ultimately, you know, she was successful. Sadly, you know,
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Speaker 1: Kurt Nrmy, you kind of dodged my question when I
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Speaker 1: asked you this before. But I think she flirted with you.
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Speaker 1: I think she used her sexuality. And you don't have
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Speaker 1: to go tell me about how happy you are in
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Speaker 1: your marriage and all that. I know that that's nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with her flirting with you and trying to
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Speaker 1: control you with a sexual aspect. Well, look, Dancy, I
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Speaker 1: don't just so you know. We saw it in the court, right,
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Speaker 1: so you can pretend it it and happen what I
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Speaker 1: believe you are, my lion eyes. It was something, as
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Speaker 1: I said, I always said, she tried right in the beginning.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't go very far. And as Karen would probably say,
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Speaker 1: as someone like miss Arius learns how to control someone
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Speaker 1: or learns the best buttons to push as they move along,
22:38
Speaker 1: and soon she learned that those buttons weren't available to
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Speaker 1: just tried another button, like your ethical duty to stick
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Speaker 1: with her, and it would put her in a disadvantage. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: but just so you know, I know that the flirting happened.
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Speaker 1: So as much as you want to deny it, I
22:55
Speaker 1: saw what I saw, all right. Okay, you say, you
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Speaker 1: say potato, I say potato, but have it your way.
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Speaker 1: So here we see her driving across the desert for
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Speaker 1: this day of marathon sex to convince Travis Alexander that
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Speaker 1: he should take her to Cancaune and not him. Chris,
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Speaker 1: he's a long time friend of Travis. Did you know
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Speaker 1: there was a cancaine business trip coming out. Absolutely. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Travis and I were supposed to go together. We had
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Speaker 1: been planning it for a long time. He never mentioned
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Speaker 1: to me that he was going to take Jody Washington say,
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Speaker 1: he never mentioned. I don't remember it at this point.
23:37
Speaker 1: If he did say he was going to be taking Jody.
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Speaker 1: But these things you qualify, you know, and then it's
23:43
Speaker 1: several months I mean, maybe even six months more that
23:46
Speaker 1: you have to wait before you before you actually take
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Speaker 1: the trip. And so the last I don't know, maybe
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Speaker 1: the last month of Travis's life, he had this major scheme.
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Speaker 1: You know, he had this plan. He was so excited
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Speaker 1: about it because he was dating, well, he was interested
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Speaker 1: in a new this new woman. She was not really
24:07
Speaker 1: interested in him. She just was more about friendship. But
24:11
Speaker 1: he had this whole plan about you know, hey, if
24:13
Speaker 1: if if she sees me in my element and sees
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Speaker 1: me with all of my colleagues and how I am
24:19
Speaker 1: with you guys, and how I am with your kids,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe she'll see a different side of me
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Speaker 1: and start to like me, you know, in a romantic way.
24:28
Speaker 1: So he was putting his whole thing together, and yeah,
24:32
Speaker 1: we were we were supposed to be on that trip together.
24:34
Speaker 1: So on the eve of the trip, Jody Arius literally
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Speaker 1: crosses the desert to convince Travis Alexander that she was
24:43
Speaker 1: the best one to go with him to King Kun.
24:48
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Zach Billings speaking to me that day.
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Speaker 1: I remember I was actually watching a movie with my
24:59
Speaker 1: girlfriend the time or my wife now, and I remember
25:05
Speaker 1: getting knock on my door and Travis's friends came came
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Speaker 1: to the door and they said, have you seen Travis?
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Speaker 1: And I said, well, no, I haven't seen Travis. He's
25:16
Speaker 1: supposed to be in Cancoon or out on vacation right now.
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Speaker 1: And they said, yes, he is, but he's supposed to
25:21
Speaker 1: be here with me with Mimi. And so I said, well,
25:25
Speaker 1: have you checked his bedroom? And that was my first thought.
25:29
Speaker 1: So they said, well, no, we have in the doors locked.
25:31
Speaker 1: And I said, I think he keeps a spare set
25:32
Speaker 1: of keys downstairs. So I went downstairs and I searched
25:36
Speaker 1: for him and grabbed a few sets of keys, and
25:38
Speaker 1: came back upstairs and tried a few different sets of keys,
25:40
Speaker 1: and one of them happened to be his bedroom key,
25:43
Speaker 1: And as soon as the door was opened, my heart
25:47
Speaker 1: just sank on the right hand side. I did end
25:51
Speaker 1: up seeing a pool of blood and looked down the
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Speaker 1: hallway and saw just bloods true throughout the hallway, and
26:02
Speaker 1: my heart just sank. I ended up going into the
26:06
Speaker 1: closet um that's adjacent to the hallway and it opens
26:10
Speaker 1: up to the bed bathroom as well, and that's when
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Speaker 1: I saw his body. And I came back out and
26:14
Speaker 1: I just told everybody he's dead. Called called nine one,
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Speaker 1: what happens next? Nancy Grace signing off and killers abovest
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Speaker 1: Us good Bathrond