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Jacob deGrom’s no-trade flex, Ruben Amaro on Phillies moves, Zack Scott covers Mets fire sale & Red Sox adding Adley Rutschman · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: He is one of the hosts of The Philly Show.
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  Speaker 2: Ruben mar Junior joining us right now, Ruben, let's get
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  Speaker 2: right to biz. This is business Day. So what do
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  Speaker 2: we think about what the Phillies did? And Bryce Harper
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  Speaker 2: is back in the outfield.
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  Speaker 3: Huh Yeah. I think they addressed a need that they
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  Speaker 3: really had. I mean, obviously this team is not very
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  Speaker 3: strong on base percentage wise. They don't have the type
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  Speaker 3: of hitter that Luisa Rise provides. And you know, all
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  Speaker 3: the things that you sort of want out of the
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  Speaker 3: guys that are table setters in a lineup. He provides
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  Speaker 3: those things and he's one of the best. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he's close to a Tony Gwynn that you can kind
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  Speaker 3: of get in this day and age in my from
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  Speaker 3: my standpoint, and him being at the top of the
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  Speaker 3: lineup is huge. And Bryce Harper he put his money
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  Speaker 3: where his mouth was. He said he would move if
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  Speaker 3: the Phillies acquired a impact type of a player. They
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  Speaker 3: acquired one, and they're moving him out to the outfield.
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  Speaker 4: All right, So where does he fit in this lineup?
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  Speaker 4: And is this really an impact because his style is
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  Speaker 4: something they don't have. But putting him in the lineup.
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  Speaker 4: Where does he make the most impact.
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  Speaker 3: I think at the top of the lineup. I think
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  Speaker 3: he's a one hole guy, and you put Turner in two,
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  Speaker 3: you go with Parper three, and then you move shoreward
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  Speaker 3: to four, which is probably where he should hit that
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  Speaker 3: That would be my setup, and then Boem five, probably
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  Speaker 3: marsh six, Real, Muto seven, Stot eight, something like that,
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  Speaker 3: and then Crawford nine. I know you're lining up a
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  Speaker 3: whole lot of left handers in that lineup, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: Luisa Rise is not your typical left hander. It's what
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  Speaker 3: three point fifteen with like an eight hundred ops against lefty,
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's not typical of He's just a good hitter.
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  Speaker 3: And again I say impact inso much that they really
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  Speaker 3: don't have people who grind out it that who put
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  Speaker 3: the ball in play, who do not strike out. Is
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  Speaker 3: he a world beater? Probably not, But they also put him.
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  Speaker 3: They acquired someone that they frankly lacked a lot of,
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  Speaker 3: which is being having the ability to get on base
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  Speaker 3: and work counts and create the domino effect of what
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  Speaker 3: that type of hitter can do at the top of
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  Speaker 3: the lineup.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think he makes an impact and not an impact.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think he makes a change in that sense, Like,
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  Speaker 4: do you think what his game does, like grinding through
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  Speaker 4: our bats, do you think that permeates to other guys
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  Speaker 4: at bats or are these guys all vets and they're
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  Speaker 4: just going to continue to do what they do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had an emergency pod on the Phillies Show
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  Speaker 3: just recently and I talked about that specifically Gratzy. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I basically said, listen, anytime you hitter like this, does
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  Speaker 3: it impact the thought process of a veteran hitter beyond this?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not as.
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  Speaker 3: Much, but perhaps a guy like Stott, or perhaps a
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  Speaker 3: guy like Crawford or the younger guys in that lineup
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  Speaker 3: can learn from this guy. Can watch, can can observe,
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  Speaker 3: can listen. This is a very high energy guy. I
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  Speaker 3: like the way he plays the game. They needed a
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  Speaker 3: little personality in that in that clubhouse, it's sort of
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  Speaker 3: a vanilla ish clubhouse. It's not a lot of guys
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  Speaker 3: with a lot of super fire. Brandon Marsh probably the
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  Speaker 3: fire us guy in that in that clubhouse. But I
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  Speaker 3: do think that that his style of play and his
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  Speaker 3: style of hitting can have an impact on the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the lineup.
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  Speaker 5: Hold On there's not a lot of personality in this clubhouse.
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  Speaker 5: I thought that was all we heard about Harper, Schwarber, Wheeler, Nola, Real, Muto,
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  Speaker 5: Like all we've heard is marsh These guys have all
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  Speaker 5: the personalities, so now they need person I'm the confused,
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  Speaker 5: but sorry.
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  Speaker 3: They I don't not that they don't have personality. They're
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  Speaker 3: just not fiery type of guys. They're very nice, very professional.
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  Speaker 3: Now on the daily from time to time, Price gets fiery,
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  Speaker 3: but not on the daily. If you look at other teams,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I listen, they it's not a bad thing necessarily,
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  Speaker 3: but I just like the inner mix of having somebody
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  Speaker 3: with with a different type of energy. But I don't
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  Speaker 3: I view this team having a having observed them for
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  Speaker 3: the last five years more closely, it is a super professional.
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  Speaker 3: They go about their business. They you know, they're they're perfect,
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  Speaker 3: they're they're pros. But it's not like the crazy, you know,
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  Speaker 3: kind of vibe that you have. And I think it's
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  Speaker 3: one of the reasons is why you know a guy
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  Speaker 3: like Harrison Batter even though he had he's had some
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  Speaker 3: issues obviously and with the Giants and didn't play it
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  Speaker 3: very well, he actually brought a different type of energy
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  Speaker 3: to the clubhouse last year that that provided a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a spark. Plus he played We're going.
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  Speaker 4: To scoot past that that comment about Harrison, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Do they still have room in his lineup for another
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  Speaker 4: right hander? We were just talking about if you could
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  Speaker 4: have Luis Robert for free and not have to DFA
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  Speaker 4: somebody because he could get hurt, but he could hit
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  Speaker 4: ten to fifteen homers in fifty games for you. Do
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  Speaker 4: they have a spot in the lineup to make a
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  Speaker 4: last minute move at the trade deadline?
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  Speaker 3: I like to try to get Pete Alonzo out of
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  Speaker 3: the deal. Oh yeah, I'm dropping the mic bro Pete Alonzo.
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  Speaker 3: What listen. If they really want to make a super impact,
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  Speaker 3: that's not gonna happen. But I've been thinking about this
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  Speaker 3: a lot. If they wanted to make the most impact
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  Speaker 3: on their offense, then you slide in that right handed
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  Speaker 3: power bat somewhere in between all you know, the short
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  Speaker 3: bers and the harpers of the world. And I was
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  Speaker 3: one of those guys that. I mean, I like to
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  Speaker 3: go for it, and you know, maybe they were stupid moves,
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  Speaker 3: but I like to be aggressive with great players. And
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  Speaker 3: if they really want to compete with the offense that
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  Speaker 3: the Dodgers are going to provide on the daily. You
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  Speaker 3: get a guy like Pete Alonso somehow, some way, Now
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  Speaker 3: you're looking at a totally different ball club because now
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  Speaker 3: you're putting Turner in the outfield and you're putting Stot
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  Speaker 3: at short.
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  Speaker 4: Shew, you must have been hanging out with Bader. What
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  Speaker 4: about the pitching needs that's needed yet? What is that
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  Speaker 4: last need and how is it? Is it a flex
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  Speaker 4: pitcher that could then move to the pen in the postseason?
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  Speaker 4: Is it somebody that could Dethron Nola as a postseason pitcher.
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  Speaker 3: Play home has been traded.
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  Speaker 4: Yet not yet?
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  Speaker 3: Nope, he'd be the guy because he's been He's done both.
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  Speaker 3: I think that they've those guys have targeted him and
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  Speaker 3: seen him. I don't know. They might be done, but
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  Speaker 3: Daven Browski may may have another one up a sleeve.
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  Speaker 3: I think that they did a nice job by by
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  Speaker 3: acquiring Raley because their left handed bullpen, even though Alvarado
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  Speaker 3: in the last couple of days has been a little
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  Speaker 3: bit better. I think acquiring Brooks Raley was important. I'd
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  Speaker 3: love to see it. I'd love to see them get
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  Speaker 3: another piece for the bullpen, and or as you talked about,
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  Speaker 3: somebody like a Clay Holmes or a starter such that
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  Speaker 3: if you have a starter and you can work it
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  Speaker 3: through the playoffs whereby you can take one of their
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  Speaker 3: current it becomes four or five, take one of those
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  Speaker 3: guys and side him in the pen and let him,
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  Speaker 3: you know, air it out. That's the thought process as well.
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  Speaker 3: So listen, I'm always about pitching. I know that they're
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  Speaker 3: am offensively. They did need some help as well with
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  Speaker 3: the type of player that Luisa Rise is. But if
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  Speaker 3: they can anytime you can acquire more pitching, man, I'm
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  Speaker 3: all about it.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, Yeah, I know we all love Dave
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  Speaker 5: Dombrowski on here, but man, you are under the Dave
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  Speaker 5: Dombrowski tree. You went for it, and then Pete Alonzo
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  Speaker 5: and then who else do you want to get? I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you're not too late to get Schooble. Maybe the Phillies
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  Speaker 5: can make a trade for schoobl even though he's already
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  Speaker 5: been traded route Clay Holmes. I mean, there's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people that I mean, this is awesome. I love
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  Speaker 5: this crazy idea that you have. It's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 5: Is there any other Bobby Witt? Was Bobby Witten play
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  Speaker 5: for the Phillies? Maybe?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it is interesting to you know, certain gms
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  Speaker 3: do different things these days.
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  Speaker 5: You just never know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I was it was always worth the inquiry
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  Speaker 3: and I was one of those guys when I was
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  Speaker 3: a GM to try to make uh, you know, to
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  Speaker 3: talk about the players that you felt like were impossible
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  Speaker 3: to get. Gian Carlos Stanton when he was with the
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  Speaker 3: Marlins back in the day. I mean, I I once
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  Speaker 3: told what I think I think it was. Uh, I
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  Speaker 3: can't remember which GM it was. I told him I
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  Speaker 3: trade him my entire organization for for him at the time,
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  Speaker 3: because that's that was a huge need that we had.
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  Speaker 3: But you do not get a deal done unless you try.
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  Speaker 3: You got to shoot your shot. I don't I think
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  Speaker 3: that's an impossibility. And it's uh, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna happen with Peter Anzo, but I bring up his
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  Speaker 3: name because I don't think that the the Orioles are
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  Speaker 3: gonna be buyers. It's clear Atlie Rutchman gone, Uh, they're saying,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Michael Lias is saying they're being there, they're
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  Speaker 3: gonna be buyers and sellers. Well, I mean there's some
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  Speaker 3: talent that the that the Phillies can give back to
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  Speaker 3: him at that even at the major league level, that
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  Speaker 3: that that can help them now, and some guys that
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  Speaker 3: they have they they could move that are controllable. So
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  Speaker 3: I just tossed it out there.
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  Speaker 5: Why not, Okay, here's my here's my question. Are gms
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  Speaker 5: naturally born as Dave Dombrowski, Riven Tomorrow tights or or
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  Speaker 5: are they taught to be that versus a guy that's
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more I don't know, since you mentioned
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  Speaker 5: put them on so Michaelias type, or it's a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more conservative and they won't go for it. Right.
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  Speaker 5: Is it born that way or is it nature verse
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  Speaker 5: nurture born that way or made that way?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think there's been a development and you
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  Speaker 3: guys were sort of tongue in cheeking it about the prospects.
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  Speaker 3: The reality of it is this, prospects are prospects, and
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  Speaker 3: ninety percent of the time they become suspects. That's the fact.
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  Speaker 3: That is an absolute fact. And when you can acquire
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  Speaker 3: talent that is helping you, right, now and you're trying
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  Speaker 3: to win a World Series today, then to me, and
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  Speaker 3: you're in a position to be able to do at
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  Speaker 3: the talent level that you have, then why not go
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  Speaker 3: for it? I mean that was always my feeling, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that in this day and age, and it
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  Speaker 3: probably started maybe a couple of decades ago, maybe fifteen
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  Speaker 3: years ago. The value of the prospect. I mean there's
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  Speaker 3: a formula that that many of the new the newer
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  Speaker 3: gms and player and you know, presidents of Baseball Operation
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  Speaker 3: are are working under, is that they value them in
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  Speaker 3: a way that is totally different than the way that
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  Speaker 3: I valued those prospects. Yes they're valuable, and yes they
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  Speaker 3: can give you organizational depth, but until they're playing in
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  Speaker 3: the big leagues and helping you become a champion, and
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  Speaker 3: they're just prospects.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, And I'm with you. And I love talking prospects.
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  Speaker 2: I worked the draft for years or worked all kinds
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  Speaker 2: of prospect talk for years when I worked at the league,
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  Speaker 2: and we have an awesome partnership with Baseball America, and
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  Speaker 2: even they say the same thing, like, let's sift through
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  Speaker 2: what actually matters here. Did you see Sean McAdam from
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  Speaker 2: mass Live has been a great reporter on the Red
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  Speaker 2: Sox for years, so he's just the middleman.
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  Speaker 1: That's what a journalist does.
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  Speaker 2: He had a quote from an executive that we just showed,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to bring it back, saying that it's
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  Speaker 2: one of the most ridiculous trades he's seen in thirty years,
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  Speaker 2: the Adlie Ritchman acquisition for the Red Sox. To me,
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  Speaker 2: it would take a lot more than that to say
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  Speaker 2: most ridiculous trade, Ruben, and then you would think, wait, well,
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  Speaker 2: they definitely traded their top prospect Franklinarius right, No, they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: So here it is some people in the game donned
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  Speaker 2: by what the Red Sox gave up. One evaluator, I'm
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  Speaker 2: absolutely dumbfounded. This is literally one of the most ridiculous
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  Speaker 2: trades I've seen in thirty years. I want to pair that,
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  Speaker 2: Rubin with your thoughts on what went down on Saturday Night.
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  Speaker 1: The Dodgers get Trek Skooble.
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  Speaker 2: The industry can evaluate how they want, but there were
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  Speaker 2: other teams that could have made better offers, including the Brewers,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like this is all revolving around the
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  Speaker 2: same concept here.
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  Speaker 1: We do have an hour and a half to go.
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  Speaker 2: But right now, when you look at what the Brewers did,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, best record in baseball two years in a row,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what they're going with at the trade deadline.
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  Speaker 2: Not good enough and a top three farm system.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's the whole point of having a
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  Speaker 3: farm system right to be able to utilize those assets for,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for major league talent. And I I will
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  Speaker 3: go to my grave saying the same thing. Until you
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  Speaker 3: prove to me that that prospect and you have a
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  Speaker 3: crystal ball that you know that that prospect will be
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  Speaker 3: a viable major leaguer who is going to come close
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  Speaker 3: to the production that the player is having right now
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  Speaker 3: that you're acquiring, then he's just a prospect. And and
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  Speaker 3: that's that. That's the reason why it won't be a
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  Speaker 3: j GM ever again, and probably the reason why I
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  Speaker 3: never became one again. The reality of it is, I
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  Speaker 3: think that you know, I think players, it will show
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  Speaker 3: you what they are and more often than not, when
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  Speaker 3: you're playing in the minor leagues versus playing in the
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  Speaker 3: big leagues, it's a totally different world. And I know
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  Speaker 3: that the two other guys that are sitting in this
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  Speaker 3: podcast right now would believe the same thing because they
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  Speaker 3: stepped on a major league field and have won and
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  Speaker 3: lost on it.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, agreed prospects or prospects until they turn into suspects
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  Speaker 5: and the suspect is a major league player. So before
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  Speaker 5: we let you go, Rubin, I just want to know you.
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  Speaker 5: You follow the Phillies way close than I do, close
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  Speaker 5: than the Crats does. Have they done enough with the
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  Speaker 5: moves they've made to get to the World Series and
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  Speaker 5: win the World Series? Because it's World Series or bust
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  Speaker 5: for the Phillies. We all know that, right, the windows closing,
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  Speaker 5: whatever you want to say, moving, Bryce Harper right, Alista Rise,
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  Speaker 5: a second bomb to first stop to third, Real Muto
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  Speaker 5: to left, Boem are you know marsh catching whatever they're
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  Speaker 5: gonna do defensively? Right? Have they done enough to solidify
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  Speaker 5: themselves as a contender, A legitimate contender, not not just
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  Speaker 5: a hey, we can possibly get there if all the
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  Speaker 5: chips fall right, A legitimate contender for the World Series.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think they're a legitimate contender just because of
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  Speaker 3: the fact that we all know anything can happen in baseball.
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  Speaker 3: They worked very close last year. They didn't have they
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  Speaker 3: didn't have Zach Wheeler, and probably could have and should
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  Speaker 3: have beaten the Dodgers last year. I know that the
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  Speaker 3: Dodgers didn't want to go back to Philadelphia, and had
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  Speaker 3: the Phillies been able to close things down and had
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  Speaker 3: a better bullpen, I think that they need somebody who
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  Speaker 3: is locking it down in the eighth inning to be
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  Speaker 3: able to say, yes, this is definitely a World Series
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  Speaker 3: champion team. And that's still my concern rarely was big.
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to see them get somebody else, and if
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  Speaker 3: they do, then then the answer would be an absolute yes. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 3: there's still a lot of things that have to go
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  Speaker 3: right for them to get there, and one of them
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  Speaker 3: is to make sure that both the big left tanders
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  Speaker 3: in that lineup are crushing, and they did not crush
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  Speaker 3: in July. I fully expect them to get hot in
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  Speaker 3: August and September and hopefully in October. But if those
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  Speaker 3: guys don't do Schwarber and Harper things, then it could
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  Speaker 3: be really troublesome for him.
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  Speaker 4: Was a start the other day from Andrew Painter, something
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  Speaker 4: that Don Browski maybe doesn't need to make the same
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  Speaker 4: move that he was going to make. If Andrew Painter's
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  Speaker 4: game went like it did in the first inning and
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  Speaker 4: not went six innings.
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  Speaker 3: It may have changed maybe some of his priorities. I
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  Speaker 3: really liked. It wasn't as much there was some strong
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  Speaker 3: excuse me, there's some strong result out of him. But
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  Speaker 3: I liked his overall demeanor and his mechanics and the
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• 17:43
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• 17:45
  Speaker 3: his major league career, with the Phillies being so highly touted,
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• 17:52
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• 17:54
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• 17:57
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• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I think that more than anything else that happened on
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  Speaker 3: as an observer, that would have impacted maybe some of
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  Speaker 2: About everything there, Adley ritchmand deal. But let's start with
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  Speaker 2: the Mets here, Zach, great to have you on. Thank
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you for the time. Firesale mini fire sale is on
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: for the Mets, trading about a third of their roster
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: by the time we get to the end end of
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the day. So what do you think about what they've
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: done so far? And we can include that Luke Weaver
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: will likely be traded and maybe even in the next
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: ten minutes while we're chatting over to the Pirates, but
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: bras Amon and Brooks Raley and aj Minter and Freddie
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Peralta thoughts.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not going to pretend to be an expert
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: on the prospect returns that they got, but in general,
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: as a strategy, I do like what they're doing. I mean,
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: you never want to be in a position to sell,
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: especially in a big market like New York, but you
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: want to make the most of your opportunity when you
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: know it's a lost season. And so the thing with
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: the Mets is, because they graduated two really good players
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: to the big leagues, their farm systems pretty weak. So
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: this is an opportunity to bring in some depth into
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: the system. They don't have the types of players. It'll
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: be interesting to see what they do get for Weaver
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: because he has another year control. But for most of
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: their players, they were rentals they didn't have. You know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: they're not going to get top top prospects. But if
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: you start getting guys that will fall into your ten
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: to twenty range of prospects, that gives you potential guys
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: that can help you in the future, but also potential
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: trade chips to help you rebuild that major league roster.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: So I like what they're doing. It's just, you know,
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: it's a product of where they are and their reality.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: But I think they've been doing a decent job given
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: what they what they're selling, but they're never rebuilding.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: So my question is on Luke Weaver. Why a pitcher
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: that you have had success with this year is good
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: in New York. You signed to a two year deal,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Why would you be looking to move him at this time?
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Because you want to win again next year?
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: Sure, So that's why I said, I'm curious to see
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: what they got, because I think to sell a controllable
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: piece for like you said, a team that should be
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: trying to compete every year, you got to get you
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: got to set a pretty high bar. So I'm curious
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: to see what they how they do on that. I
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: do think, you know, I actually just tweeted about this
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: recently to earlier today. Selling high on a player when
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: you're still trying, you know, you want to win next year,
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: but you know your season's loss, so you're a seller.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: But selling on a selling high on a guy that
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: has control is one of the hardest things to do
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: because he's been really good. And you know, if they're saying, well,
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: we don't believe that he's going to be this good
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: next year, and or that we could replace him with money,
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: you know, by using money and free agency, then maybe
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: it makes sense for them to do this. But obviously
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: it's taking away a good piece from their bullpen for
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: next year, so they'll have to find a way to
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: improve that. And they've taken multiple pieces away obviously with
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: Brazebon also being controllable, So it'll be interesting interesting to
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: see the return on that. It should be significantly higher
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: than some of these other deals they've done.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: All right, the Mets, Let's move on to a team
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: that's actually trying. Here at the Mets, not the met
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: It's not the Mets. The Mets aren't trying. I want
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: to know what happens in the front office. There's two
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: hunderd three hours left, is there? Does everyone have four
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: cell phones going? Do you if you're the GM, do
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: you have multiple people talking to you while you have
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: a cell phone?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: What?
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: I want to know exactly what's going on as an
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: executive right in a second.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're trying to juggle a bunch of calls. Usually
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: most of the time. I mean, it's possible that you've
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: some teams that have already done their deals at this point.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: You know, it's get as it gets close to it,
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: you're you're kind of done and you're just looking to
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: be opportunistic at that point. But for if you're still
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: in it, which a lot of teams are sounds like
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: there seems to be a lot of recent activity, then yeah,
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: you have multiple calls, you're texting people, you're taking calls.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: A lot of it happens over text at least, you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: when I was in the game on the day, on
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: a day to day basis, that's that was what was happening,
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: which is a little bit easier to manage in time.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: But at some point you get you know, well that's
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: three hours ahead of the deadline, you get to you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: an hour before, you're definitely on the phone.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: What about Adelie to the Red Sox. Is this something
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: that a three time All Star catcher on going to
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: a team that twenty seven days ago was looking to
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: sell and went on a streak. Is this roller coaster
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: season them buying on this season or buying on the
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: streak and saying, well, this is what we should have
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: been all year.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: I think it's a little bit of Oh, it's buying
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: in the season. I think that they thought they were
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: better than this on paper, you know, I thought they'd
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: definitely be sellers a month ago, like you said, and
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: then they had this remarkable run. What is interesting to me,
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: and I like what they've done, and I like that
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: they're being aggressive. They're getting guys that also have at
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: least one more year control in the trade with me
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: obviously unfortunately got hurt right away. And then you know
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Rushmand has control for next year too, So that is
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: by design, I'm assuming, and also is what justifies giving up.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: It sounds like they're I haven't seen the whole package
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: if it's out there yet, but it sounds like they're
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: giving up their top, their second best prospect, their top
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: pitching prospect, and so you know that's that's an aggressive move,
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: but you like to see it because it's obviously they're
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: going from one of the worst catching spots in the
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: game to you know, potentially one of the top you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: at least in the top third. Go from the bottom
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: third to the top third. That's that's that's real impact, Zach.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Does it change this fast for gms and for executives,
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: Cause again a month ago, everyone was like, oh the
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: Red Soars, Sonny Gray's gone, this Chapman's gone. They'd love
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: to trade their whole team, much like the Padres. Does
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: it happen this fast for teams where you go from
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: being sellers to a fifteen game winning streak and now
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: we're buying.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's it's not that common, but it
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: feels like it's been happening a decent amount where you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: I think we saw that with the Tigers in recent years. Right,
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: So they sold and then all of a sudden, it's like, Okay,
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: we're in it now. You know, I think the opposite
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: happens a lot more, and I unfortunately experienced this in
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: my one year with the Mets. Where you buy and
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: then you know, things go south and you're not you know,
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: you gave up resources and you're not making the playoffs.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: So it can happen, and it can happen fast. I
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: don't think that's the norm, but it definitely has happened, all.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Right, Well, this Red Sox team made this move. No way,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: do gms make the move based on the fact that
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: the Yankees also needed a catcher. Do gms look at
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: what other teams need and say, I want I kind
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: of need that too. They needed the catching position, But
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I definitely want to make this move to block a
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: rival team.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: It's not the driver of a decision, but it's part
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: of the decision because I mean, it really does affect
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: the math of it, all right, Like if that's how
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: people are thinking about things today, I mean, well, you're
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: taking away a potential gain from a from a rival
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: in your division. You know that could have an effect.
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: So but it's definitely small compared to put positioning your
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: team the best you can and for the amount of
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: years that you do control that player.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Hey, is that I think I'm I'm unmuted or not?
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Can you hear me? Okay, we're muted for seconds. Scott
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: had to take a phone call, so we had to
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: mute him while he took his shirt off and his
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: microphone off. Hey, what is what's your stance on prospect hugging?
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: Because teams like the Orioles have been prospect hugging, accused
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: of prospect hugging. And then there's moves that that are
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: more like the peekrow Armstrong move that other gms have
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: made for players that are established and then that player
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: turns into it what could be a possible MVP. Right, So,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: how did teams go about? Is it just GM to GM?
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Is it team to team owner to owner? How does
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: that go?
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: I think you typically the teams I've been with, you
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: kind of decide who are your core prospects that are
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: either going to be a part of a sustainable run
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: for multiple years of your major league club. And you
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: decide and usually there's not that many of them. Most
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: of your prospects are going to be, you know, guys
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: that contribute a little bit here and there. They're not
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: going to necessarily be impact players on a championship club.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: So you identify maybe you have two or three guys
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: like that, and then everyone else is available. In some
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: sort of deal. Now, you know, it's interesting to look back,
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: you know, you mentioned PCA and you look back at
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: that whole farm system at the time, and obviously he's
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: by far the best player to come from that farm system.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: But at the time, you know, he wasn't a top
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: one hundred prospect. He was like fifth or six and
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: the Mets as a Mets prospect, not just in rankings,
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: but how I felt the industry was valuing him. So
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: but we could have traded anyone else, including guys that
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: we did think we're going to be a part of
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: that core. Alvarez is obviously a solid player, but Batty Mauricio,
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: like some of their top guys, just haven't panned out,
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: which I think is a good lesson to count, you know,
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: to say you shouldn't hug your prospects. But at the
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: same time, there's I think people are afraid to get burned,
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: and obviously I got burned in that trade, but that's
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: very rare. I mean, to get burned on a guy
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: that's you know, not considered an elite prospect is not
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: the norm. So it doesn't mean that all of a sudden,
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: you're you know, it seemed like the Mets the next
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: year were very cautious to do anything because of maybe
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: because of that, So I think prospect hugging is very dangerous.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: I do think you identify your core guys, and obviously
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: you want to be right on them. It's still your
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: place in a bet. You're guessing right, You're making an
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: estimate of what's the likelihood that these are these core
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: guys and they're not untouchable, they're just you know, in
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: a different category, and then everyone else you're willing to
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't a league have that wrong?
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Isn't the whole league plays everything by the numbers, and well,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: this is the percentage, the percentage chances you're not getting
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: rid of PCA, you're not getting rid of your Don
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Alvarez Liz are the Those are the abnormalities. But isn't
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: the league making the decisions based on those? Oh man,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be that guy that gets rid
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: of that guy and then they lose their chance to
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: do what the entire league is meant to do and
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: win a World Series.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: I'd say that the number of there's more risk averse
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: gms than there was twenty plus years ago when I started.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: And I think part of that is what you mentioned
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: like having, whether it's a player in free agency and
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: you have those anchor contracts on your resume, that you
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: gave out a bad deal because you were the highest
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: bidder in a mar in a free agent market for
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: a big, big time player, or the same thing with
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: the trade you trade a guy that burns you, which
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: is less often the case, but it does happen. Some
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: people could get paralyzed by that fear. They don't want
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: to look bad. I mean, it's a it's an interesting
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: dynamic that gms. You know, they only typically have four
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: or five year contracts, so some of them maybe looking
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: at shorter windows. But there is a lot of fear
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: and there can be a lot of paralysis around making
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: a mistake. But you know, I look at gms who
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: are going to be in the Hall of Fame someday,
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: the theo Epstein's, Dave Dombrowski's who I've worked for, both
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: of those guys, and you know they have those anchor contracts.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: They probably they have some bad trades, it's not something
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: that stopped them from doing what they were what their
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: goal was, which was to build a winning team. So
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: you can't get caught up in that you can't be
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: paralyzed by fear.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: Zach, how do you know when it's your year to
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: go for it? Like I just keep asking the Brewers
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: question because I think this is a year where they
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: could really go for it in the school bol trade.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: Now they most still might make some moves, But how
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: do you know if it's your year to say, chips
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: are going in, we're really going to push instead of saying, oh, well,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: we're consistently good, we make the playoffs. We don't win
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: a lot of our games in the playoffs, but hey fans,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: we make the postseason every year.
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's tough. I mean I do think we see.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: You know, Milwaukee's had a lot of success in terms
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: of being good on a low pay roll every year
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: making it to the postseason a lot. Same thing with
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: Cleveland and Tampa. Those teams they do a great job.
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: But we often see the teams that win the championship
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: have more kind of star players, impact players. So when
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: you start shrinking rosters and rotations and things like that,
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: that it starts to maybe that's why some of those
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: teams haven't won, although some of them have gotten pretty far,
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: so it's hard to say, but yeah, and to read
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: when it's time. I mean, I think you always have
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: to take advantage of the opportunities you have to win.
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's what this is about, right, It's winning
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: a championship. We don't get trophies for having the best
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: farm system in baseball. It's really about winning now. You
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: want to balance the short and long term, So it's
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: winning now in in the future. And I think sometimes teams,
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: and maybe with small payrolls, it makes sense to do this,
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: but sometimes teams are very hesitant to go all in.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Zach, Is that true what you just said. It's not
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: about getting trophies for the best farm system, and it's
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: about winning, Like if we pulled every GM all thirty Okay, okay,
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: it should be What do you think the percentage is
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: that believe and agree with your statement?
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: I think most agree intellectually. It's whether they can actually
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: whether they behave that way is a different question. Right,
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: So I think you can say, oh no, that makes sense.
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: Obviously it's about winning. We want to win a championship.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: But I've been surprised, you know, I've Obviously I worked
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: with the Red Sox most of my career. I got
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: some exposure to some other front offices. Through consulting work
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: I've been doing over the last five years and just
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: a lot of conversations I have with gms and presidents
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: and baseball ops. I've been surprised that it doesn't seem
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: like it's more about winning, you know, And I think
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: growing up in the Boston organization and being a big
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: part of that, and obviously we won four times, which
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: is outstanding there. I don't, you know, we had this
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: hunger for that night and that was what we talked
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: about a lot, and I just don't hear that from
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: a lot of people. It's almost like the old kind
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: of moneyball. It's a crapshoot. Thing has has definitely been
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: more accepted by maybe it's owners, maybe it's gms, but
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: I feel like they the sense is that it's okay
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: to just let's just get there and see what happens.
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: And maybe maybe that's right. I don't think so. I
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: think you want to try to put your best foot
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: forward when you have those opportunities, because again, that's what
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: it's all about.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: Hi, Jack. Last thing for me, how do you what's
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: the process when a trade is done? Do you shase
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: you know, obviously don't shake hands because it's through a phone.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: Do you call the league right away and say, hey,
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: we have this deal done. They have to prove it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: What's the last piece because all we hear about is
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: this trade of this trade, this trade, but we never
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: hear about what. I want to know what the last
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: thing that happens before the players find out. Sometimes players
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: find out before.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well you know you have Once you reach an
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: agreement with the other GM, you go through the it's
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: always pending medical process, right, so you review the medical
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: files of the players involved. The other teams. Trainers will
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: get involved reviewing those finals. Once they're sign off on those,
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: then yeah, you're submitting it into MLB's computer system to
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: get approval by the Commissioner's office, which they do on
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: a day like this, They do really quickly. And then
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: typically you know you've you've given a heads up to
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: your media relations department to drop a press release. Sometimes
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: maybe you wait till after the deadline, depends on the timing,
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: but first you've talked to the players before you do
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: put out the press release, so they start working on that.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: But then once you have medical approval is typically when
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: you call and get in touch with the players that
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: are involved in the trade, to tell them that they've
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: been traded, to thank them, whatever it may be that
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: your messaging is to them, and then you're ready to
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: go announce it.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Zach, great insight. As always, we love having you on.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the big trade deadline day too.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And I've plug different things throughout, but one good one
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: here that you put together under review sports business newsletter
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: just recently launched, right, so if everyone can check that out,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: where can they find it?
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: It's on substack, so you can go to Zach scottsports
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: dot substack dot com and find it. Yeah, I just
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: launched it last week. I'll basically be breaking down decisions
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: you can't take back and what the process should be
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: before you make those decisions.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, So some of what we talked about here, and
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: of course a ton more to read there on his substack.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Thanks Scott or thanks.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: Zach, thanks for having me guys.
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  Speaker 2: on a team that's trying to move and shake. That's
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: the Rangers suddenly very open for business. It appears that
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: they at least were trying to get word on the
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: industry's take for Jacob de Gram.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: He is expensive but he is very good when he's
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: on the mound.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: And Ken Rosenthal reported that the Rangers spoke with Jacob
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: de Gram about waving his new trade class. The Graham said, no,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I'm saying here, shocker. I mean, and they're going to
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: other players though now, according to Ken's report, that includes
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Corey Seeger and Nathany Baldi.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: These are some big names that can move.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: That can help you too.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but not the back seekers.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: Not back though yet? Is he?
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: He saw three or four else and snow, I thought
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: he just came back.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Did last week?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I believe I saw him crats and you guys checking, Yeah,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: he's back. It was back, Okay, he was back.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: So he's back, so that's cool. But Evan Grant has
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: told me since I saw him last weekend a week
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: ago Saturday, that he thought they were going to sell then,
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: and they were in first place then.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: But you can't sell those guys without their permission, any
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: of them. No, no, some of them.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can tell Josh Smith, you can sell
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Jock Peterson.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: Josh Smith already gone.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: No, I know. That's why I'm saying Josh Smith gone,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Jack Peterson.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: It's amazing because they were the first place, so we
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: could go, let's one week ago they were in first place,
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: and they were, they were in front of the Mariners,
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: and now they're two games back in the lost column
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: to the Astros, who was a flawed team also, And
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: you're gonna.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Sell this because bad week, one bad week, basically, that's
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: really that's really punishment.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: I don't know. It seems like a lot, but.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I think there's something going on there, can I.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, tell me, tell me your tell me your conspiracy theory.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: That the Rangers owner cut like forty million dollars this
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: past offseason. I want to say he's on one of
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: those committees with the CBA battle and you know, he
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: might be one of those guys who's like, let's let's
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: clear payroll. This is probably not the year for us.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Kratz has given me the look he gives me when
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I sound wrong.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: What No, that wasn't that was? That was it was
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: a conspiracy theory. I'm just trying to connect the dots.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they lost all.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Their money in the RSN deal. I know that they
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: lost a ton of money in the RSN deal. And
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: they lost a bunch of money because and then they've
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: had problems like people trying to find the games and
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: this and that. So they have definitely gone down in
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: revenue because of that. The one team that has not
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: been affected by this is the Dodgers because they have
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: that deal that they signed years ago that MLB okayed
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: where they just get all this money and it's like
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: not taxable and they can't ever lose it, and that's
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: why they they have the ability to do what they do.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: But I don't know this, this surprised me for a
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Rangers team that won a World Series not that long ago.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Ray Davis is the owner of the Rangers.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: He's on the Major League Baseball Labor Policy Committee. The
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: committee is currently headed by Dick Monfort, the owner of
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: the Rockies.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Cup.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, other notables are Jerry Reinsdorf, and then they get
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: the one guy who's like, hey, let's not skip a season.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And that's how sign Runner is probably on the opposite
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: side of those guys to try and balance it.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: But it's kind of three on one.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm just saying Ray Davis is in on
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: the deeper part of the conversations. It's like taking all
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: of the players and the player association and that subcommittee
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: that really gets all of the word and is in
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: on the meetings. So just throwing it out there that
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: if you're a Rangers team that's on the bubble Kratz,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and you just cleared a ton of money this past offseason,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: you start asking Corey Seeger, Hey, you've got like one
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million bucks left, Jacob de Grom tons
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: of money left on his deal, Nathan y Valdi getting
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: paid a lot this year and still next year. Hey,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: any of you guys want to get out of here,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: you'll have to cover the money because there's no state
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: income tax in Texas. If you trade them to a
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: team that has heavy state income tax, you usually have
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: to give them something on a new trade class. But
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the news here Kratz, was that the Rangers are at
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: least listening on some of their top players. And they
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: tried with one so far and he said, no, I'm good,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I'm staying in Texas.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: And that's Jacob de Grom.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: So if you're a Rangers fan, do you sit there
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: and go, good, I'm glad we could get rid of
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: that guy, because they're going to take the money and
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: allocate it to something else. Like this is just a
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: This is a quiet like.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Us the money dump, That's what I mean.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Dude, They're not gonna if they trade one of these
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: guys away and he's making whatever, thirty million dollars, so
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: most of them are making a ton of three names
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: that we're talking about, right. Even more, you're not gonna
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: take the pro rated portion of that. Let's say it's
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: twelve or whatever, and so oh, we found someone else
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: to fill that money with me. You might do that
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: in the off season, or you might do that in
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: the off seasons. But yeah, no, this is this is
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: just clearing money and getting prospects for guys that can
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: help another team. It's just, like AJ said, a little
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: bit strange when you take such a turn so quickly.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Who is the reliever that, oh, Chase sil Seth and
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: O Hopy is catching depth, right, but sil Seth and
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I know he's got team control the guy. You're like, oh, okay,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the Rangers are gonna at least do some light buying here,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and they've done that the last couple trade deadlines. All
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's seems like they're taking a turn. Yes, yes, okay.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Weird, just weird, especially when especially when you're rumbling a
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: week ago when they were in the first place, that
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: there's a chance they sell pieces off like that just
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: seems uncompetitive to me.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Go the other end. Now, let's talk about the San
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Diego Padres bubble team.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Last couple of weeks.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: They got hot as all held the last two weeks.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: So they're hitting, and AJ Preller is AJ Preller never
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: wants to sell. AJ Preller always wants to buy. And
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: you know why he can do it because they get
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: forty thousand plus a game. And you know who the
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: last team to beat the Dodgers in the playoffs.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Was the Padres.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: I think it was the Padres. Maybe it wasn't, but
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: I thought it was.
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: No.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: Is that twenty two or twenty.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: No that Diamondbacks actually and two twenty two Padres should
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: have beat him. In twenty four they were distracted from
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: twenty four and couldn't hit for a couple of days.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: But twenty two they beat him. In twenty four four
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: they should have had him, That's what I just said.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: Twenty four they had him, and then they let them.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: They didn't score a run. They forgot, they went blind
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: and forgot how to hit.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: For a couple of days.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: So but now they have Robbie Ray, who's pitching really
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: well lately and could pitch a playoff game for you.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: At the same time, it does sound like they've still
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: been listening.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: On Mason Miller. The reports keep coming. I agree. I
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: don't think so.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: Preller loves Mason Miller way too much to make a
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: move right now. For him, Coller wants to win now.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: In the offseason. If someone came to the Preller and said, hey,
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: we'll give you X, Y and Z, that was something
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: he would do, but not right now. He's too competitive.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you one scenario where it might
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: have made sense, because this just came out. Ryan Divish
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Seattle Times covers the ms. He said the Mariners checked
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: in on Mason Miller. The Padres asked four top prospect
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Kate Kate Anderson's ready now. So I know that Mason
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Miller's best closure in the game, but Kate Anderson could
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: slide into a rotation and be a big time pitcher
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: from the jump if the stuff goes right to the
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: big leagues like this, I know it's not happening, but
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, you don't think the Padres would do that.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: A trade that if the Mariners, I understand what I'm saying.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: That's a scenario where you could see the Padres stealing him.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: The Mariners aren't going to do that because Kate Anderson
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: could be in the rotation in five seconds