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A Mix of Emotions on OneLegUpAlex Sports- Terminello's Take on Darkness of NBA Gambling and the Brightness of The 2025 World Series 102425 · OneLegUpAlex Sports

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  Speaker 1: Here's your host, Alex Garrett.
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  Speaker 2: Here, I'm the one that got Alex Sports Network. I
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  Speaker 2: am a little discouraged today because I read the Washington
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  Speaker 2: Post seven games, seven games that they evaluated when taking
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  Speaker 2: down this organized crime gambling ring. But before we get
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  Speaker 2: to our guest, lou Terminello, I have to run through
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  Speaker 2: this with you because this Johonte Porter of the Raptors.
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  Speaker 2: In a couple of instances like January twenty six, twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four, Porter Talid zero points, three rebounds and one
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  Speaker 2: assist in four minutes off the bench before exiting with
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  Speaker 2: an eye injury. He informed an associated before the game
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  Speaker 2: he planned to exit early. I have a big problem
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  Speaker 2: with this instance alone, because where is the coach at
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  Speaker 2: four minutes in to a game except this issue? And
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  Speaker 2: then it throws off fantasy basketball teams, It throws off
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  Speaker 2: the integrity of sports. And yesterday I know, I said
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  Speaker 2: the league should just let the players deal with it,
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  Speaker 2: but this crosses a line when they don't even play
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  Speaker 2: more than a quarter, even half a quarter, four minutes
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  Speaker 2: off the bench, and then you set yourself down and
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  Speaker 2: then you tell people, by the way, you know how much
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  Speaker 2: amazing about this about one hundred thousand dollars to sit
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  Speaker 2: their ass out of the game. Lou Terminello, if I
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  Speaker 2: called in sick for one hundred thousand dollars, I'd take that.
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  Speaker 2: This is ridiculous and it hurts the sport, and it
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  Speaker 2: makes me question everything we see about the game that
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  Speaker 2: instance alone in any sport. Now, Louis and.
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  Speaker 3: Alex, good to be back with you as somebody who
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  Speaker 3: was in the NBA for twenty eight years, Yesterday was
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  Speaker 3: not a good day. I know, I know some pundits
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  Speaker 3: are trying to downplay it, but yes, there was not
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  Speaker 3: a good day for the NBA and it was not
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  Speaker 3: a good day for sports in general.
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  Speaker 1: Because you got to remember this is this is nothing new.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we can go back to nineteen nineteen when
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  Speaker 3: the Chicago Black Black in the Chicago Black Sox, you know,
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  Speaker 3: fixed the nineteen nineteen World Series. In the nineteen fifties,
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  Speaker 3: the college basketball scandal basically which closed down a lot
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  Speaker 3: of college basketball in New York after CCNY won both
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  Speaker 3: the NCAA Tournament and the n I in the same year.
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  Speaker 3: The Boston College point shaving scandal of about thirty years
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  Speaker 3: ago was I'll never forget the night of that Sonny
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  Speaker 3: Liston took a dive in Lewiston, Maine. So and Muhammad
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  Speaker 3: Ali had no idea that Sonny Listening was going to
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  Speaker 3: take take the dive allegedly. So, I mean, it's been
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  Speaker 3: going on for a long time, but you think with
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  Speaker 3: everything being more sophisticated now, it wouldn't have gotten to
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  Speaker 3: this point. I mean, you have a Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 3: head coach, well, he was a Hall of Fame play
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  Speaker 3: he certainly wasn't a Hall of Fame head coach, but.
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  Speaker 1: A Hall of Fame player.
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  Speaker 3: Who's an NBA head coach, one of thirty, uh job
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  Speaker 3: only thirty jobs in the league, rigging up bringing poker
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  Speaker 3: poker games. It's just mind boggling. And he'll he'll never
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  Speaker 3: he's done. I don't think you'll ever see uh Chauncey
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  Speaker 3: Billups again coaching, broadcasting, doing anything that's connected.
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  Speaker 1: With the with the NBA Alex. But this is serious.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, let's face these bank scandals have been going on,
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  Speaker 3: as we said, for a long time, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the last couple of years, it's exasperated because we
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  Speaker 3: knew when state started legalizing sports vetting and a sports
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  Speaker 3: league started taking in millions of dollars of sports gambling
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  Speaker 3: sponsorships that contribute contributes to the situation that brings attentions
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  Speaker 3: to gambling. When I was working in the NBA, we
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  Speaker 3: were prohibited from any type of gambling type sponsorships, even
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  Speaker 3: with casinos down in Atlantic City. You know, we had
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  Speaker 3: to get permission from the NBA, and you know there
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  Speaker 3: was always that fine.
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  Speaker 1: That that fine line. But again, Alex, just because.
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  Speaker 2: So you weren't reallying information to an informant that a
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  Speaker 2: Jason kidds sitting out for today, I'm glad you did
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  Speaker 2: not do any of that. Okay, Lily, because this is ridiculous,
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that these coaches didn't even know what
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  Speaker 2: was happening, or dare I say, let it happen? I
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  Speaker 2: mean your you're coach, right, and by the way, your
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  Speaker 2: coaches back in that era were fantastic. So let's go
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  Speaker 2: to Laurence Frank Right. If someone get up the door
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  Speaker 2: to say, I gotta sip before you know, for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of the game, wouldn't you look at your player guy, like,
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  Speaker 2: what do you mean you said the rest of the game.
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  Speaker 2: It's only the first quarter. It doesn't make sense to
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  Speaker 2: me that they allow these guys to do it. But
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  Speaker 2: you've said this before. Players are getting more control in
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  Speaker 2: general of their team more than the coach, it seems.
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  Speaker 1: Like it is.
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  Speaker 3: And that's that's an NBA issue more than probably probably
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  Speaker 3: the other leagues.
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  Speaker 1: But this opens up a whole can of worms.
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  Speaker 3: Look, the Washington Wizards, the Utah Jads are tanking, and
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  Speaker 3: the Brooklyn Nets are tanking for the second straight year.
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  Speaker 3: The Brooklyn Nets only wanted to tank one year, but
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  Speaker 3: they had They had still had some decent players on
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  Speaker 3: the team. They got loaf to that that non intense start,
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  Speaker 3: and then they started trading the few NBA level players
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  Speaker 3: that could win a couple of games, and they won
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  Speaker 3: too many games up on twenty six this year, Alex,
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  Speaker 3: they're making sure that they can't win more than twelve
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  Speaker 3: or thirteen games. So other Washing and Wizards and h
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  Speaker 3: that's a problem also on the other end.
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  Speaker 2: But are you are are you wondering? Okay, is the
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  Speaker 2: coach telling someone that they're tanking the team on purple?
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  Speaker 3: I mean this would judge well again in the case
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  Speaker 3: of Utah and even worse, Washington and and the Nets.
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  Speaker 3: Their talents is so bad that the only tanking that
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  Speaker 3: can happen is hey, are you gonna be over and under?
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  Speaker 3: Are they gonna win more than fifteen games? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: none of these none of these nineteen year olds. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: yes they could, they could get caught up in it,
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  Speaker 3: but they're just bad teams. And but again, even when
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  Speaker 3: I was in the NBA, the Houston Rockets tanked to
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  Speaker 3: get Ralph Sampson and then in those days there was
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  Speaker 3: only a coin flip, so that tanking led to the draft,
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  Speaker 3: the lot to draft lottery, excuse me, and the Knicks
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  Speaker 3: run the first draft lottery. They were supposed to pick
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  Speaker 3: like seven eighth and they or something whatever that was
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  Speaker 3: also to pick.
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  Speaker 1: The Knicks won the draft lottery.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody thinks that Patrick Ewing draft was rigged because the
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  Speaker 3: Knicks had been bad for so long.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not like now. In the mid eighties, UH
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  Speaker 1: the NBA, which was involved with all those drug situations,
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  Speaker 1: including the lifelong suspension of of UH one of our players.
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  Speaker 3: Michael Ray Richardson, the NBA was not the behemoth that
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  Speaker 3: it became in the nineties, and people thought that that
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  Speaker 3: draft was fixed because they needed New York to become
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  Speaker 3: to become a good team, which they eventually did.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know for sure. I heard, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: heard all kinds of all kinds of crap. But it's
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  Speaker 1: not good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm nervous to say. I have to look at every
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  Speaker 2: foul call made now, I have to look at every
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  Speaker 2: time of present time on the court, like it all
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  Speaker 2: gets scrutin Guys, now moving forward with this big bombshell, Well,
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  Speaker 2: how do we not stay skeptical and optimistic about the
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  Speaker 2: sport when this happened. It's very tough to have that
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  Speaker 2: optimism right now.
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  Speaker 3: Well becoming skeptical and when the paying customer, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: not only in the NBA, these these tickets to go
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  Speaker 3: to a live sporting event, they're astronomical, and once the
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  Speaker 3: consumer starts having doubts about what they're watching, they're not
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  Speaker 3: going to pay five hundred dollars, seven hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: dollars for not even the best seat in the house,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to see the Charlotte Hornets play the Atlanta
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  Speaker 3: Hawks on a Wednesday night in the middle of January.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you could full of people summer time, but
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  Speaker 3: eventually that's going to catch up with them.
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  Speaker 2: And it's now really and I know the Donnahy thing
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  Speaker 2: was was sort of a blipped on everybody's another blip,
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  Speaker 2: but we.
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  Speaker 1: All was was kind of a blip. You're right.
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  Speaker 2: We always thought that was the extent of it. But
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  Speaker 2: let me ask you this league, when these leagues partnered
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  Speaker 2: with the sports books of our time right now, did
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  Speaker 2: they really honestly think it was only going to be
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  Speaker 2: emboldening the average fan? Did they not even think the players,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Calvin Ridley in twenty twenty two didn't bet
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  Speaker 2: on his team, but he got suspended for betty.
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  Speaker 1: A year he might not spend for a year.
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  Speaker 2: Did these leagues think the players are going to be
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  Speaker 2: that innocent? They wouldn't even you know, being boldened to
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  Speaker 2: do something on their own.
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  Speaker 1: No, the leagues didn't believe that that players were that innocent.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what they you know what they only
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  Speaker 3: care about, Alex, the millions of dollars that these sports
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  Speaker 3: sponsorships brought into the team. I was talking to somebody
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  Speaker 3: w works for an NFL team, and this was going
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  Speaker 3: back three or four years when the sports sponsorship the
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  Speaker 3: gambling sponsorship were just starting, and he told me that
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  Speaker 3: they split the category up like five or six different
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  Speaker 3: ways so they can get five or six different sponsors
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  Speaker 3: because you know it's all about the Greenbacks, and at
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  Speaker 3: that time, you take the green Backs and you'll roll
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  Speaker 3: the dice. Well, these and isn't not just the NBA,
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  Speaker 3: the sportss were all the dies. And now they've opened
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  Speaker 3: up a Pandora's box, as they say, you know, and I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know where this is going to end up.
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  Speaker 2: I was saying about a couple of instances where I wonder,
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  Speaker 2: now if there was a money. First of all, the
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  Speaker 2: ninety four offside that call that might have changed the postseason,
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  Speaker 2: you know, or that that Stanley Cup final, I know
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  Speaker 2: you remember that. And then of course I think of
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  Speaker 2: the guy that took a dive at the one so
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  Speaker 2: he didn't score.
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  Speaker 3: He was he was tackled Alex at the one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he was tackled at the one in that Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be going back that far. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: think all that stuff just happened.
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  Speaker 2: But about this, this is a joke, but you don't
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  Speaker 2: think the Atlanta defense was paid to not tackle any
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  Speaker 2: Patriot to blow at twenty eight to three league. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's when the script theory started to really circulate.
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  Speaker 1: I think it happened.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Atlanta I think the Atlanta Falcons classically choked.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they got tired. Man, they were gassed by the.
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  Speaker 1: But but this is they think the tip of the iceberg.
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  Speaker 3: I certainly hope not and I hope they get a
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  Speaker 3: you know, they strain this thing out because once you
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  Speaker 3: lose confidence with the fans, they're not gonna follow you.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a shame because on Tuesday night, the NBA
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  Speaker 3: UH an NBA regular season as we know is meaningless
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  Speaker 3: and the NBA has to change that.
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  Speaker 1: And part of the reason is tanking. Part of the reason is.
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  Speaker 3: Load management, and uh that leads to a speculation. But
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  Speaker 3: on Tuesday night, nb NBC had its first televised game
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  Speaker 3: since Game four of the first year the Nets went
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  Speaker 3: to the playoffs and got swept by the Lakers. Game
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  Speaker 3: four against the Nets Lakers. The game was great. It
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  Speaker 3: was an old style NBA game. If every game, every
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  Speaker 3: every night could be like that. I know every night
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  Speaker 3: can't be like that, but if that could be consistent
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  Speaker 3: during the season, that's people will love that. Between uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Oklahoma City and Houston. It was a fantastic game,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: We know that. Uh, but it's a shame that on
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  Speaker 1: touch a high and they and the presentation was great.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know, the next night, uh, ESPN started
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  Speaker 3: And now the game on ESPN wasn't the big obviously
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  Speaker 3: it was inside the NBA moving in. They were did
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  Speaker 3: the our pregame show. They did a half hour postgame show.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't see the postgame show was you know, it
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  Speaker 3: was late, like one o'clock. But I watched the pregame show.
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  Speaker 1: Those guys who saw at the top of their game, Alex,
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  Speaker 1: all these good things.
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  Speaker 3: Are not are now going to be overlooked because nobody
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  Speaker 3: wants a sport that's rigged.
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  Speaker 2: They don't how about this? And you know, and you
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  Speaker 2: think about the fact that this arrest of Phillips comes
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  Speaker 2: as they lost what by forty points on oh prey day.
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  Speaker 2: It's just very odd to me that that was so coincidental.
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  Speaker 2: But I tell you, I look at Major League Baseball
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  Speaker 2: and we might be on the pressiposin of something there.
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  Speaker 2: Answer me this. How two Cleveland pitchers get suspended, especially
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  Speaker 2: Manuel Classe, and they get to the postseason. That's unbelievable
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  Speaker 2: in itself, but now class can't even pitch in the
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  Speaker 2: in his Venezuela league. I mean, this could be a
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  Speaker 2: disaster on that. And when when you got pitchers intentionally
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  Speaker 2: throwing a ball, what year you know what that is?
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  Speaker 2: Nineteen nineteen. Almost. Well.
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  Speaker 1: The good thing though, and I got to give the
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  Speaker 1: sports betting sites credit the good thing about that. The
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  Speaker 1: sports betting sites said, hey, we see some irregularities.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it was a cluster in New Jersey
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  Speaker 3: and a cluster in Ohio, all these people winning a
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  Speaker 3: bets in the small a small area, these prop bets
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  Speaker 3: which which are freaking ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: And they did report it to the league. They did
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  Speaker 1: report to Major League Baseball.
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  Speaker 3: They have they had when they see some some kind
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  Speaker 3: of irregularities that when something doesn't jive and they see shenanigans.
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  Speaker 1: They do report it to the respective leagues.
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  Speaker 3: But again, Alex, just because uh, you know, there's sports
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  Speaker 3: betting sponsors, which I'm against and I was the guy
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  Speaker 3: who sold sponsorships. Again, Alex Scatt's not going to become
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  Speaker 3: a uh a degenerate gambler. If if Alex scaartt if
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  Speaker 3: they brought back smoking advertising, if you start smoking, that's
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  Speaker 3: on you.
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  Speaker 1: If you become a degenerate gambler, that's on you or me.
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  Speaker 1: But it does lead.
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  Speaker 3: It does lead to issues and puts ideas, and people said,
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  Speaker 3: just like uh, and I'm not gonna get political, but
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  Speaker 3: just like these uh now with uh with with Potts,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, look what's happening in Colorado. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there's so many DUIs and it's not from uh.
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  Speaker 2: From little I've got a bigger question though, because as
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  Speaker 2: you might have heard on my show yesterday, I said
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  Speaker 2: that maybe the leagues don't punish these guys if they're
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  Speaker 2: going to just enable it by all these sponsorships. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'm wrong on that, but I just feel like the
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  Speaker 2: leagues should have expected this. Let me put it that way.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Alex, we talked about the last two years.
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  Speaker 3: We expected something to happen like like this, and so
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  Speaker 3: I'm not surprised.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I got a ton. Yes, that was a
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  Speaker 1: very busy day for me.
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  Speaker 3: So I really don't have a chance to talk voice
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  Speaker 3: or voice to a lot of people have the family
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  Speaker 3: thing going on. But I got so many emails from
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  Speaker 3: even some former clients when I was when I was
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  Speaker 3: working for the NETS, who said, whoa this is you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is big, and.
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  Speaker 2: How do we keep sports spiritual? So I have a term.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have heard me say this before, but I
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  Speaker 2: believe in the term sportsuality because it is sort of
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  Speaker 2: a spiritual thing for me, the love of sports.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: And this has been as I think about it, hour
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  Speaker 2: after hour, as the stories keep coming out, Louis, it
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  Speaker 2: is sort of taken the wind out of those sales
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  Speaker 2: for a moment. Because I love sports. I never want
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  Speaker 2: to see tainted. And I'm trying again to just not
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  Speaker 2: think of every call and double think the second guess
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  Speaker 2: to the triple guess. You know what I mean, It's like,
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  Speaker 2: it's very odd. Well, how about this, if you're right
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  Speaker 2: if a guy missed a free throw, was he paid
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  Speaker 2: to mister free throw? I mean, you know, it's just
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  Speaker 2: it's what we're gonna start thinking as a society. I think, and.
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  Speaker 3: Basketball as a sport, just because as a sport.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying these these players are crooked.
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  Speaker 3: But the nature of the sport there are more, uh
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  Speaker 3: opportunities to be skeptical about if this is legit, Like
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  Speaker 3: you just said, a miss free throw a referees call. Look,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we can go back to last year's playoffs. Well,
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  Speaker 3: at the end of well, I guess it would have
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  Speaker 3: tied up this yerares because it was Game four.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, your favorite call that was not.
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  Speaker 3: Called the guy, right, I mean, so of course you
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  Speaker 3: from now on, Alex, Yeah, it'll be in the back
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  Speaker 3: of our mind.
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  Speaker 1: It'scuse me, it'll be in the front of online only
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  Speaker 1: see that.
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  Speaker 3: And that sucks because like you, it's I love the sport.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I love the sport. That's why I've been uh.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean I love sports in general. This is
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  Speaker 2: an effect. I mean, I'm just making a joke here, folks.
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  Speaker 2: But let's say Ovi's at eight ninety nine. What is
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  Speaker 2: someone to pay them to be under nine hundred? He's
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  Speaker 2: going to like take them up out. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: know it makes me my my wander now a little
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  Speaker 2: bit lou the whether the possibilities end or if they're
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  Speaker 2: endless right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe they are endless right now, and so
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  Speaker 3: they get a hold of it. But when you look
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  Speaker 3: at a guy like Terry Rozier, who's who made like
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty six or one hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 3: six million dollars in his career.
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  Speaker 1: What what the hell are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's lord. They're throwing their stats away. They're throwing
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  Speaker 2: their stats away. And I just said before I started
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  Speaker 2: with you, I feel like they're throwing away even fantasy
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: basketball stats too, if you want to go there. But
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: they're throwing their own careers away for one hundred thousand
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: dollars or more, and they're already getting paid millions. It's like,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: how much greed do you have to have in your
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: heart in your mind to literally throw away stats? I
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: you know, and I think of when and I know
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: you're gonna say the Giants were nowhere in your playoffs,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: but I still think of it. It's almost like Peterson
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: not putting in hurts when they had a chance to
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: beat the Redskins. It just is not sports as ethics
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: to throw away games.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Well, that's different.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: That's like what we we said at the beginning of
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: this podcast of this broadcast.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Uh, that's sports ethics.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Like I think the Brooklyn Nets tanking, and maybe because
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I was with the with the Nets all those years,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I think the Brooklyn Nets being totally irrelevant this year,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: totally irrelevant and tanking for a second straight year. Washington
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Wizards two when Utah also, I guess I think is unethical.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I agree with you, And the NBA has to has
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: to find a way to to figure this.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Out, okay. So and then also they've been trying to
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: crack down on know how all these big names are
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: being sat at different venues and they're trying to find
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: teams or they have fine teams for sitting stars. I
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: bet you they did that just on the front of it,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: but they probably didn't realize there could be real meaning
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: to why these guys sit. Now it brings a different
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: meaning to it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: You know, you're right. So we're gonna we'll see what happens.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we're gonna have more names are gonna come
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: out in the next couple of days.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I see a Nick's favorite ref Scott Foster was arrested
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: as well, So there's some deal with that. I mean,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: everything is gonna come out and we'll see what happens here, Louis.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: But I just at the same time, this happens when
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the World Series starts, right, and you want to be
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: excited for that. You want to think every call, every
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: pitch is gonna be uh kosher if you will right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: You want to think all of it. But then even there,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and I love baseball, you're gonna think to some things.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Well, let's.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Put outside that we think. Let's just we know the
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: game is gonna be. It's gonna be on the up and.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Up, and I want Manningly to get his ring. I
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: know Yankee fans are hating me for going for the
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Blue Jays for that reason alone, but you know what,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: guys been in the league. I didn't realize forty seven
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: years of baseball, Louis for Don Manningly seven that would.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Be great if he gets it, because there's there's some
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: talk that this is going to be his last year.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: He's gonna retire from baseball. So if he gets that
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: this year, that would be great.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Alex, It's gonna be hard for the Jays to beat the.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Dodgers for out of seven to make his theories.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: To my estimation, I think they got to catch the
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Dodgers a little off guard.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Dodgers haven't played in a week.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: The Dodgers have obviously, they've turned it on as we
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: thought that they might. We thought that they were just
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: goofing off most of the year, which they were, but
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: they gotta win tonight. They gotta win tonight, Alex. I
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: think then they have a chance maybe be up to
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: to one in the series and make it a series.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy. I think the Jays offense could
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: top the Dodger offense. I don't know why I'm saying that,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: but they just have this grit, this this timing that
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: they have had all year long, and the Dodgers haven't
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: had all year long, you know what I mean? Like,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I just feel like the Jay's offense
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: is in line and in sync right now and they
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: could do some damage if they get the bat on
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the ball.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Now, I agree with you.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I would say offensively, it's a pretty good match. But
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: when you go to the pitching, both starring and in
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: the bullpen, uh, the Dodgers have a huge advantage.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: So you kid, Sasaki's gonna get his first World Series experience?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: How cool? How cool is that gonna be?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Again?
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Again that you met you? Another good point? Yeah, it's cool.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: But will will he got to the task?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Will he be nervous? You know, these guys are human beings.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Blake trying you were kas present, They went
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: to him, but he's been solid to this postseason, so.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I mean when you see Triden come in, if I
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: was the Blue Jays, I would say, Okay, we got
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: this is a guy we got to hit.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, Alex. Before we get off the World Series here, we'll.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Go back to the Game seven on Monday night, the
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: most excruciating loss probably in the forty nine year history
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: of the Seattle Mariners. I mean, they were up to nothing,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: they were up three games to two, they were up
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: three to one in the seventh inning, and Dan Wilson
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: started overmanaging. He took Kirby out there at the four innings,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: and then he got to go through a litany of
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: bullpen relievers. And we talk about all the time, all
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: these guys aren't gonna be on the top of their
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: game when you got it, when you're trying to win
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: a game, trying to get twenty four or five pittures.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Not all of them are going to be on their
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: game that night. So h that was a terrible loss
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: for Seattle. That's a game seven loss. Seatle win the
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: next five World Series. They'll never forget losing Game seven
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: the other night.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: And that guy who was in their division for many years,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: George Springer and that guy has had such a resurgence
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: with the Blue Jays, I thought he was kind of
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: done after all, while I thought.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I thought he was done, Alex twenty three postseason home runs.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: And for that, you know, everybody says the Bati also
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Joe Davis comparing that to the uh, the the Carter homer.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, but I always thought Carter's homer came
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: in such a grand fashion, more more so than this one.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: But anyway, you're right, there's there's really the Carter home
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: run won the World Series for the Toronto Blue Jays.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: So the you walk correct, this was this was a
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: memorable one won't be for gone.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: But I think it's even more memorable than the bat
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: flip and the bat flip at the time.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the bat flip, in my opinion, and bat flip
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: is totally overrated.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I don't give a I really don't care about the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: bat flip.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: This home run came when they were down by just
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: two and you know, really a chance to get in
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: there for the first time since ninety three. Now, I
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: don't know. I'm going to share the story with you, Lily.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: My parents in ninety two took me across the border
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: to be at the skydomee for the first ever World
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Series game outside of the outside of America. So I
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: do have a bit of history with all that. They
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: took me to Toronto to see that game against the believe
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: it was the Braves in nineteen what it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Was the Brave in ninety two. In ninety three, I
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: was actually at the.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Old Vet the famous Toronto fifteen Philadelphia fourteen game, which
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: was just nuts, the highest scoring game in World Series
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: history to that point, and that was a crazy game.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Dykester hit a couple of home runs and uh uh.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: The Jays were down by five going into the eighth
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: inning and they rallied for six.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: That was the cruck Era, I believe right. I think
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: that was the joke.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: The Phils had an excellent team. The Jays, of course
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: had an excellent team.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Then, speaking of excellent teams, this Jay's team, I think
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: has been expected to do something big over the last
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: couple of years because they have this lineup every year
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that just seems to dominate in the regular season. They
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: just have never been able to put it together.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: They finished last, so they're they're trying to go from
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: worse to where they did go. The first, and they're
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: trying to finish it off by winning this World Series.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: But these first couple of games, Alex, they got they
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: gotta be, they gotta they gotta win the.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Actually, it's good for them that they're home. I mean,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: to be at home to start the series.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: It takes a big difference. Dante bochett is on the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: World Series roster. He hasn't played in almost two months.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much he can contribute, so we
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: have to see what happens there.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to go against the Dodgers.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I have no love for the Dodgers, or I only
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: really have no love for the Blue Jays either, But
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to beat the Dodgers four out
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: of seven.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: So uh, maybe people who just want to blackout to
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: happen and then the game gets called, don't I'm just kidding.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I think it's funny. So thirty years ago we had
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to hang on to the roof moment with Don Mattingly,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and I keep going back to this because I just
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: think it's so poetic. They're under a roof tonight, and
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: by the way, you had to hang on to the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: roof on Monday with that homer. It was loud.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: It was loud.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: It was loud when he when he hit that, when
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: he hit that pitch in to the left field stands.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: That especially with the roof closed. You know, in the
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: series against the Yankees, the roof was open and the
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: sound just stays in the in the dome and it
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: was deafening.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Well, and I tell you one guy I am excited
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: that continues to go on because I believe he's gonna
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: broadcast him from TSN is Dan Shulman. And let me
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: tell you, I have always loved Dan Shulman in October.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: He's always been the voice of October to me. Unfortunately,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: you can only do it for one team now, but man,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: oh man, hearing him call that homer, it just felt
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: vintage because I remember him ten years ago when we
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: even aired them. On nineteen seventy he was doing games
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: on ESPN Radio.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: And he still does your college basketball on ESPN. He's
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: their number one college basketball guy with Billis. So he's
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: an excellent announcer. His son is the play by play
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: voice for the Jays Radio. So you got the father,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: the father doing the play by play with sports net
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Buck Martinez. He's a color commentator and his son is
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: the play by play going on radio and Alex if
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you listen to his son on radio, he sounds just
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: like his dad. And he's a good announcer. He's a
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: good play by play announce it. So it will be
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: an exciting World Series. And I hoped that Jay's won
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: a couple of games who make it an exciting World Series.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: If the Dodgers go home to two games, they're gonna
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: sweep or win in five.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: And you know what, And people may not understand this
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: logic to me, but look twenty five Yankees. It was
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: rough regular season and they should have been in the
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: top seed, but they weren't because they made some dumb decisions.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I had a feeling Toronto was going to
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: beat the Yanks this world this Alds. I just had
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: that feeling. You just you just felt it.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, last year I did too.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: But last year the Dodgers embarrassed the Yankees. Why would
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: you root for a team that embarrassed you on your
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: home field? They gave five I know they made the errors,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: but it was an embarrassment. And and I can't root
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: for the Dodgers to repeat.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: I just cannot, well, Alex, What's what it is is,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: YE know, the Yankees and Bluejay you're in the same division.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: So I understand that, but I don't think I don't
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: have to worry about it because I was thinking about
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: about a week they'll get they'll be getting ready for
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: a World Series parade. Uh.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: And also, I mean the Jays were arrogant, but the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Dodgers really, uh chirped at the Yanks in the off season,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and they did the stupid stuff at the parade and
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: all that, and they said some things. Uh, it was.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It was a mess last year. And I just and
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: of course I'm a little better because you say the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Yankees spent the winning championships. But I always say this,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: the Yanks never had to do a payment plan to
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: win a championship.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Again, Alex, I agree with you. This deferred money they
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: got to take care of that. Bags League Baseball has
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: to stop that. The Dodgers taking took advantage of a loophole,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: which which annoys the heck out of me. But the
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: team that has that has signed more free agents and
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: has spent more money and has upset the balance of
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: competitive baseball since they signed tap this hunder in nineteen
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: seventy five is your beloved New York Yankees.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And that's case closed. But again, it's until Major League
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Baseball somehow has a salary cap and they never will.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Well, so I guess this the Yankee spending led to this,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: the luxury tax, that was the first thing. Yeah, but
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: what will the Dodger spending lead to? It could actually
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: lead to a lockout, I'm hearing.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: So I think I think it's a pretty good chance
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of a lockout Alex at the end of next year,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: which would suck.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you follow the trajectory of that. We
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: know that the back and forth about the twenty twenty season,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I knew was gonna have ramifications down the road as well,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: including the spending by the Dodgers. But they were forcing
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: these guys to play earlier than they wanted to. It
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: was a if you followed in hardcore, it was a
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: messy situation with the pandemic and they haven't recovered since.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Well Manford couldn't work out a deal with with Tony Clark,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: the head to play association. Let's face it, Alex, they
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: should be at least a one hundred twenty game season
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: that you.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Know, but uh, of course, we saw wins of it
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: in twenty two when they locked out for the first week.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I mean it was just they delayed a week.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, so well, we'll see, We'll see what happens
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: in this World Series, and I hope Baseball strains out
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: this situation. But let's face it right now, the Pittsburgh
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Pirates know even before next year begins that they're going nowhere.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: So and that's you know, them and the Rockies.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I just I just picked the Pirates the Rockies.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: You know, we can go down a little.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: We always thought I always thought they included that what
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: sixth team to make it more competitive? I mean, yes,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I think it's inspired markets like Toronto, who almost landed
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Shoho Tani by the way, I heard that this week
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: but did but uh but you know, markets like Toronto,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: markets like and they didn't do as well, but Temp
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: all these other markets should benefit from a sixth seed.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what I'm trying to say here. And
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: they don't, none of not all these teams due so,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: but I want to go back to this Guardian situation
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: because isn't it crazy? Class A and this other picture
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: gets suspended and they make the postseason what does that
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: tell you? Like, Well, it.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Tells you that the Detroit Tigers were incredibly overrated, and
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: it also tells you that the American Central stinks. But
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: also tells you that the Cleveland the Cleveland Guardians have
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a good organization and they took advantage of the Detroit collapse.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: And it reflects on Class A. I think because the
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: guy could not get the Yankees out in the ALCS
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Well again class. I mean, if if the Indians had
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: a excuse me, if the Guardians had a choice, they
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: wouldn't wind up seeing class. They suspended that.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I could tell you so again. But we'll see what
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: happens if you'll have a pitch again, if you're just
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: gonna be suspended for a year or a half a year,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: we'll see what judgment is passed down from Major League
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Baseball on that.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: But you know, that's that's that's life.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: All right. Speaking of life, the other night, I was
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: outside the garden after the Nicks win their home opener,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: and Cam Scataboo just walks on right by me. That
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: was pretty cool. I think he's got a very big
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: weekend coming. You have to beat the Eagles and I'm
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: gonna say it again, three and five still sounds competitive
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: to me. Over two and six. They should have beaten Denver,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: though this should be a three and fourteen, no doubt
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Louis Alex, I mean I watched the entire game on
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: on on Sunday afternoon.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: That I that was a historic defeat, the worst NFL
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: defeat of the year. The Giants were again dominant for
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: three quarters. Bo Nicks was playing his third straight bad gang,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: even though Denver had won the previous two against Philly
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: and against the Jets. But he was doing nothing. And
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: then you give up thirty three points in the fourth quarter,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: and the Giants helped them. I mean, there was three
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: delayed game penalties on Dart and again, I don't know
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: what happened here, Alex. They're up twenty six to sixteen,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: four point fifty three to go in a game.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: It's third and five. Denver had used their two timeouts
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: on the previous.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Two plays, and I don't know if Dark checked off,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: if the play came from Mike Kafka, the offensive coordinator.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what happened on that play. And
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Dark threw an interception which set up the the Broncos
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: at the nineteen.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: If you run the ball, the Broncos pulled their time out,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: you punt the ball and Denver has to go seventy
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: five eighty eighty two.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Yards to score with no timeouts.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: But the h that interception by Justin Strenad, who's an
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: excellent player by the way, back to the nineteen, and
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the Denver scores right away. That that's that's money boggling.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: You're up ten and you take a chance like that,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: and then you know, the Giants got breaks after they
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: got a break, and they got a break on that
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: roughing the patcher call. I mean giants, Franklin Mars just
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: basically bumped into Dart and they threw roughing the passer
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: and then that passing that that passing.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Interference down the right sideline heights. I wouldn't want to
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: be a cornerback. You can't even touch the guy with
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: a pinky without getting the call. So the Giants take
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: the lead and even though Dart was ericth oh Dart
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: left the downfield, No he didn't.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: He was one for five fifty four yards came on penalties,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: but what e But then the Giant defense, it's almost
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: like the Dallas game worse because they allowed.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Denver to get And by the way, this is like
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: three or four games and we're already we're only into
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: what are they to in So we're only in the
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: week seven and I'm already saying three or four games
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: should have gone the Giant's way. That's pretty bad because
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I remember last year I said about a total of
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: four games should have gone their way. Now I'm saying
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: in the first half of the season, that's that's not good.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: No, it isn't.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: And by the way, there was no change made. There
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: was no firing, not a dable of the defensive guy.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you'd think they'd have urgency here because, uh,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: this is the year you want to see how Dart does.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: And I just feel like, again, there's no supporting cast
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: on the defensive side. It's very odd because they came
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: into the year one of the best defenses. I thought
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: coming into the whole season, I mean, come on.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Well, Uh, Thibodeau is in and out. He's inconsistent.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants dangle him at
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: the trade deadline if they lose this week.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: He's also been he's recovering from injury. I know that too.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought we'd see more from Abdul.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Carter breaking news. By the way, there is massive fines
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: for Jackson Dart medical tent issue one hundred thousand dollars,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Dable Giants find two hundred thousand dollars, and scatter Boat
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: was also fined fifteen thousand dollars for their roles in
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: violating the protocol with Dark God. Yeah, gets some breaking news.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: So they're trying to that're trying to keep these guys
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: safe and healthy, and I'm gonna I'll dovetail that with
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: something else before we wrap up here in the next
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: couple of minutes. But you know, that was that was
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: a terrible I mean, there's no way to sugarcoat what
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: happened late Sunday afternoon in Denver because Denver was doing nothing,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: doing nothing, and then they scored thirty three points in
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. Alex I actually thought, mathematically as he
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: got eight or nine minutes to go when the Giants
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: were twenty six to eight, mathematically it was impossible with
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: the time remaining for the Giants to lose that game.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: It feels like they're finding away every even against the Cowboys.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: That's the other heartbreak of this year. You go up
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: toward the end of the game and then that defense
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: did not stop him one lick. And I know Jackson
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: took responsibility for the interception, rightfully so, but.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: He's a stand up kid.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: But that defense and then you know, the guy gets
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: cut the kicker. And I always thought they're gonna bring
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Coop on, who was actually okay with Atlanta. Why not
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: just have him kick? Was he on the practice squad
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: going into that game?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, he will, and they haven't.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I guess Canoe is coming back from injury, but they
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think they've made it official yet as far
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: as putting on the roster.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: So so the kicking game was also an issue again,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just this city. This city used to
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: be one of the most feared places to play. I mean,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: any stadium you didn't want to come in and face
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the inks in the Mets runs, you didn't want to
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: come in and face them because they were going to
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: find a way. I mean, Mojo rising was like an
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: anthem in the eighth inning. Okay, Giant Stadium, all these
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: other things. Now it's sort of like when we yokre
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: and I hate to admit that, but I just well, yeah, no, you.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Bring up a very good point and very good situation.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: There was a survey of two hundred and fifty or
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: something about two hundred and fifty two hundred and seventy
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: five NHL players. I was spine wanted to survey toughest
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: place in the NHL to play, Alex, my dear buddy,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm a hockey guy, and I would
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: have never guessed this one.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: All these players said they don't like to play there.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: The fans are on top of you, they're into the game,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: and it's not a traditional hockey market.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: And I was really surprised.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: The second place that they don't like to play, that's
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: tough to play, a challenge to play, is one of
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: the most traditional hockey markets. But the first one is
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: the playing the Carolina Hurricanes in Raleigh. A bunch of
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: players that they do not like to play there. The
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: fans are are loud, it gives them an advantage. I
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: would have never guessed that. The second one was.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: In Montreal, where you know they say the fans are
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: involved in every play, so.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Well, look Cala teams Carolina. I'm not surprised that they
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: do the whole world of the thing to begin the game.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: And I've had some trauma with Carolina, as we all know.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, they've run through almost every New York team here,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: so it's it is a very tough environment to play,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I will say that.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: And I but I was surprised by I was surprised
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: by that, uh that they won the survey quote unquote
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: won the survey, and uh, you know, just real quickly.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Talking about you.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Know, and everybody says nobody gets hurt in a hockey five.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Nobody gets hurt in a hockey five. So you got
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: the National Hockey League who's always worried about concussions and everything,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: and you know, all these especially the old time guys,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: say nobody gets hurt in during a hockey fight, which
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: we know is non since we've seen over the years.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Last night watching a Ranger game, watching I was watching
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: the Rangers and the Devil, or the Rangers and.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: The Islanders Devil's play.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Tonight, Ryan Heave's former Ranger and Rempy get into a
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: heavyweight fight.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about a heavyweight fight, a monster fight.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: That was it.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: And Ryan Reeves gave Rempy four solid rights. I mean,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: these were sharp, effective rights and now is injured with
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: an upper body injury.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: There was a rumor going round that he broke his draw.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true or not because it
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: has not been confirmed.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Nothing's been confirmed if he has a separated shoulder, whatever,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: The point being people get hurt in hockey fights. And
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: if the NHL wants to.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Keep these guys from getting these concussions, and again, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: grew up watching hockey and I've been watching hockey sixty
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: plus years, they might have to finally say, hey, no
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: more fighting in hockey.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: But the Rangers have gone off to a bad start
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: at first.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: You know, first week, I wasn't worried, and I'm not
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: a Ranger fan by it being worried.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: But they don't they really, Oh my god, they look
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: like they're just they sold out the whole team. And
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: now it's it's not good. I know they signed this
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: other guy for eight years or something like that, but
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: and and you don't have a crier there. You don't
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: have It just makes you wonder what.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: The guys aren't hiring their way to Alex Yeah, but.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: The rebuilding process sucks. This is terrible watch of course
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: it does. It started with Goodrow, then Cocko, then this
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: guy and that guy, and then Crider to top it
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: all off.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I am just I wonder if they regret signing to
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: the you know, to the long term contract.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I meant, and I'd say, it's almost like you put
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: money in Daniel Jones and let say quad walk. You know,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: it's sort of that.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, well again, we don't want to even And.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I love Adam Fox and and I even he's been
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: struggling a little bit, but he's still He's someone's got
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: to be the leader. And I know J. T. Miller
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: is captain, but something.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Project should have been captain. In my opinion.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: The goalless streak was enough. But now they have mean
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: haven't won at home. I don't even gotten to win
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: at home? Actually right, no, they have not.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'm a little I'm surprised at that
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: playing so so inconsistently. I'll give him a break.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: It's poor yact. Oh No, I'm too old, as I
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: said on my podcast, I'm too old for this ship.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Louis.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I'm twenty four now. I want to
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: see another all my all the Glory Days was when
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I was a little kid. I want to see it
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: in adulthood too. It's getting tired.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, I know what you're saying.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Devils are playing great that six and one.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Jack Hughes has been remarkable.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: He's scoring, he he's got as saying, hockey the hot stick.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: The other night against Minnesota, who's creating so many chances,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: but he didn't score.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: The Devil.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: By the way, the Islanders had one leg up over
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: the Rangers because they beat the Oilers, which I found
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: They did both. The Devils also beat the Oilers on
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: that trip.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Now now San Jose comes in to do the three
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: team Metropolitan area trip, well, the Devil's the excuse me.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: The Islanders beat the Sharks. The Rangers lost to the
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Sharks just like they lost to the Oilers, and now
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: the Sharks are going to be playing the Devil's next.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: That a crudential. The Islanders played at the best game
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: of the year last night. They bounced back from the
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: only three start. They're now four and three. Matthew Schaefer
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: is a remarkable young man. I had a tremendous hockey player.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Now I don't know if he can keep playing twenty
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: five minutes a night like they're doing it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: They're gonna have probably have to come back cut back
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: on his time on ice. But in the last two games,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: a couple of Dice tried to rough him. Appleton last
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: night on Detroit tried to rough him up in the
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: last five seconds.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: The entire remaining guys on the ice just terrassed after Appleton,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: and they did what they had to do. I mean,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: it wasn't no big fight or anything, but they got
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: in there and they got to protect this kid. I mean,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: because he's the real He's the real deal.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: He really is, and I could tell after seven games,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: but he's playing too many minutes in my opinion, because he.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Doesn't have a lot of meat on his bones. Alex.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: He's only he's only eighteen and six weeks old. He's
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: a kid, but he's got instincts.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: For the game. That's all I got for you, my son.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know. He that was a big moment
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: when he scored on the island first. First, it was
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: cool that they got it at home. It's just I'm
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: just double checking here to see where we got I mean,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: who's their hottest hockey team right now. And I know
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: it's early to ask you.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's early. I mean Florida is
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: struggling now.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: They're playing with out two of their top guys, obviously
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: not having the heart and soul of their team.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Matthew could chuck there. He won't be there I think
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: until around Christmas time, you know.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: So the team that I like, and.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: They lost an overtime last night at Edmonton, But the
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: team I think is going to get better during the
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: course of the year, and they did a nice job
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: towards the end of last year. They're incredibly skilled, and
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: they're incredibly fast, and they could go from defense to
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: offense so quickly. So could the Devils. But Montreal, I
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: believe it is even faster. And I really think you
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: gotta really look at Montreal as the season progresses. I
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: think that I think they have a chance to go
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: deep and you know, we'll see if they can if
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: they continue that.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: And again up in Maye, Toronto World, Austin Matthews his
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: prime jounning. It's like I get frustrated when I see
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: all these guys primes being not wasted, but just it's
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: not going well.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, your career is so short, you know from
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: for most of the players, and the prime of your
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: career is short.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: You don't want to see. Uh these players.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I knew my black Hawks, my my dad's Blackhawks were
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: in the running year. But Duard's having a better year.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Well again, yeah, they're not going to make the playoffs,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: but Alex, they're they're they're on the come.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Mhm, well it's gonna be there four two and two
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I think so far.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: The Blackhawks, you.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Know, I see that, and Washington still being although they're
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: in the wild card right right now, I mean it's
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: too early. That's why hockey talking, basketball talk for me
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: matter more in in uh, you know, I guess the
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Christmas Christmas January. Although with the NBA Cup that adds
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: a little intrigue. I know you don't really die young, but.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Since you, since you, since you are intrigued by it, Alex,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: and I'm intrigued by.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: It, well because I always say now people have to
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: look out for the three runs, the two cup runs
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: and a Larry O'Brien trophy. Okay, so I always, I
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: always am optimist. I want to end with some optimism
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: that maybe something will turn the corner. Maybe Bryce Harper
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: will become a Yankee in the off season. I don't know. Well,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: something's got to give here, Louis, it's been too long,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: in fact, five thousand days plus.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Hey, we'll see what happens. I think it's gonna as
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I said before, I think it's gonna be very active based.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: And that included that includes two World Series appearances. You know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: the Mets in fifteen, Yanks and twenty four and that's
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: really and I guess the Rangers Stanley Cup final as well.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: That's really all three. That's really the three finals that
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: we've seen in those five thousand days since well, if you.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Want to, the Devil's got there in twenty twelve, the
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Rangers of fourteen, the Mets made the World Service in fifteen,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: the Yankees last year got to the World Series, and
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the Giants.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Since that happened, I think there's only been one appearance
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs under a table. It hasn't been good,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: since you are correct, So I owe my one day, Louis.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Just hope no one gets involved and arrested in a
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: gambling scandal anymore.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: We all not, that's for sure.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: And I tell you if speaker keeps putting these drafts
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: of these sportsbook ads. I might have to ask them
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: about that. Let's like, come on that we're trying to
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: navigate against it.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, well again I would, I would be
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: careful with that.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Louis love you, man, And this is a great episode
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: of Terminello's take, and we'll do it again soon.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Always my pleasure. I love it, Thank you, Alex, appreciate.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: It all right. Well, as I was on with lou Terminella,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: a little more research here. Another reason why I would
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: choose the Jays is because do we really want the
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Dodgers to be the team that takes that back to
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: back title drought in the last twenty five years? Don't
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: we want the Yanks to still be the only team
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: in twenty five years to go.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Back to back belly to belly.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: As John Sterling would say, I sure as help thinks.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: So I'm Alex Garrett. Enjoy the World Series tonight, and
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: we'll talk to you soon. On one look up Ballet