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Dave Bartoo LIVE In-Studio: Coaching Effect, Coach Comps & CFB Truths 🔥 · Out of Bounds with Bo Bounds

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  Speaker 2: then they chilled for a minute and then they got
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  Speaker 2: back into roostering. I'm not sure. I feel like we
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  Speaker 3: Bar two is Matrix Analytical on Twitter?
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  Speaker 4: Is that CP Matrix on CFP Matrix, CFP Matrix on Twitter, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: CFB Matrix on Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: We went to Kessler Prime last night. We had a
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  Speaker 2: good meal, bealish. We met with some p ones and
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  Speaker 2: good friends and just had a just a on whiskey
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  Speaker 2: sixty one feast is what really, That's what the brand
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  Speaker 2: was all about. Good friends, good drinks and and damn
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  Speaker 2: good steaks, a bunch of protein and so on. Oh
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  Speaker 2: and Bar two had soft shell crab. He had pride
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  Speaker 2: soft show. So that's not something they have all the
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  Speaker 2: time up in Portland. Just like Yeah, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: we have something like, we don't get it home right,
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  Speaker 2: and so the waiter was like, here's one of the specials.
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  Speaker 2: He dropped a soft shell crab on you and it
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  Speaker 2: was fantastic, delicious.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you have? The New York strip? New
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  Speaker 1: York strip.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't usually go New York strip and I
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  Speaker 2: usually go Rabbi or file A. I like a New
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  Speaker 2: York strip, but that New York strip. Last night, I
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  Speaker 2: got at Pittsburgh Rare and it was fantastic. So we
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  Speaker 2: had a good time there. So Diamond, Dave and I
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  Speaker 2: will be you know, rolling here for and straight funk
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  Speaker 2: Jackson Meadows for three hours. It's gonna to be a
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  Speaker 2: big time, big show. And then we'll do another three
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  Speaker 2: or four tomorrow and then we're gonna put this crazy
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  Speaker 2: you know what on a plane tomorrow afternoon. Because he's
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  Speaker 2: got he's got the love Birds have to go to Hawaii,
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  Speaker 2: so he's got to he's got to get out of
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  Speaker 2: here and enjoy the water and go skinny dipping out
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  Speaker 2: in the Pacific. So yesterday was the first day of
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  Speaker 2: SEC media days. Jackson, do you mind pulling up the
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  Speaker 2: list for today? I know you went over it with me,
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  Speaker 2: but I can't remember it. I just remember levees in
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  Speaker 2: between Kiffin and Sark, which is hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Uh God, bless him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know Levy's a good guy, but you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about nobody caring and and yesterday drink Witz actually
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  Speaker 2: was good and Hypel got a little you know, I
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  Speaker 2: thought that was interesting what he said about Kiffin coming
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  Speaker 2: to Knoxville and loading up on mustard and golf balls.
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  Speaker 4: He was having fun though he was right, He was
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  Speaker 4: having fun, and Greg was not having fun.
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  Speaker 2: Greg sank he was in a foul mood. And we
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  Speaker 2: love to see people either happy or mad. If you're
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  Speaker 2: just in between, it's not interesting. So Greg's Greg woke
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  Speaker 2: up on the wrong side of the bed, even though
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  Speaker 2: he makes ten million dollars a year and gets to
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  Speaker 2: fly around on a private plane, which is great. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think Sanky's trying to figure out bar two. How
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  Speaker 2: this is all going to share. We are going to
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  Speaker 2: expand the playoff. It's just a matter of when Greg
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  Speaker 2: Sanky and the SEC don't want twenty four teams.
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  Speaker 3: The Big ten does want twenty four teams.
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  Speaker 2: It sure sounds like the SEC wants to go to
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  Speaker 2: sixteen and call it. Bar Two and I were talking
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  Speaker 2: this morning when I picked him up at the hotel, and.
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  Speaker 3: Bartwo agrees with me, the G five doesn't need to
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  Speaker 3: be in it. The two.
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  Speaker 2: I recognize that we need a G five final four,
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  Speaker 2: two semi final games in a championship game. That'd be
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  Speaker 2: a ton of fun as playoffs, but they don't. We
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  Speaker 2: don't need too, Lane and James Madison.
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  Speaker 1: No, especially now with NIL.
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  Speaker 4: I mean everything's watered down, right, and and they've already
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  Speaker 4: pulled the decent you know, most of the good G six.
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  Speaker 1: Is up right right, we pull pull up you see
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  Speaker 1: if we pulled.
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  Speaker 4: Up Cincinnati, and and I believe that too much of
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  Speaker 4: the time with college football is we look back on
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  Speaker 4: what was and expect that to be where it is today,
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  Speaker 4: right right, That like that Cincinnati team that went twelve
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  Speaker 4: and zero that still probably wasn't top four, was awful
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  Speaker 4: damn good that that that kind of team in the
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  Speaker 4: G six is never coming back through the door.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were as impossible, even as good as
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  Speaker 2: they were for that time, they weren't good enough even then.
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  Speaker 4: Right But but but to have that quality of a
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  Speaker 4: team in today's NIL, you can't.
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  Speaker 1: Do it, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: They do not have the money to keep those players now,
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  Speaker 4: no way, full stop.
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  Speaker 5: And so.
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  Speaker 1: As much as I love.
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  Speaker 4: The opportunity for them to be there, I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to watch it, right, No, right, no, right, Well, and
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  Speaker 4: it's and it's like we talk about going to twenty
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  Speaker 4: four games. I don't want to watch eight and four
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  Speaker 4: teams either.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, I'm with you, right, I don't need to see.
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  Speaker 3: But if I am, I want them. I want them
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  Speaker 3: all to be P four.
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  Speaker 4: I know, but I don't need to see Texas A
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  Speaker 4: and M is eight and four having lost one out
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  Speaker 4: of every three games.
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  Speaker 1: Go play a playoff game. I got beat, go home,
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  Speaker 1: knock it off. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I will say this, nine and three is well, if
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  Speaker 2: we don't go to twenty four and we go to sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: nine and three is going to get in from the
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  Speaker 2: SEC and the Big ten. Yeah, because we got to
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  Speaker 2: fill Well I'm sorry if we extrapolate, if they take
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  Speaker 2: out the G five teams, which will open up one
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  Speaker 2: or two spots more a year for the four conferences, Right,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to have nine in three teams.
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  Speaker 1: We have to yeah, right, we see the math.
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  Speaker 4: We have to Yeah, we're you know, you look at
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  Speaker 4: the history of the Top twenty five, and it's pretty
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  Speaker 4: rare that we get down to eight and four and
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  Speaker 4: eight and four Auburn gets in. It squeaks in the
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  Speaker 4: top twenty five, you know, And when it comes down
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  Speaker 4: to eight and four teams, the four lost team is
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  Speaker 4: always an SEC team. That's the way the Top twenty
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  Speaker 4: five has always worked. It's gravitated towards that naturally, right.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of people realize this is
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  Speaker 4: that over the years, over the last twenty years, I
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  Speaker 4: think we'd all agree that really the best overall depth
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  Speaker 4: of football has.
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  Speaker 1: Been the SEC. Okay, I think it's a.
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  Speaker 4: Whole lot less so now today than it was before.
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  Speaker 4: I think a lot of the discussion of the strength
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  Speaker 4: of the conference is rooted in what it did in
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  Speaker 4: the past, not where it is today. But you look
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  Speaker 4: at the history of the Top twenty five, the AP
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  Speaker 4: Top twenty five. In the rare cases where there is
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  Speaker 4: an eight and four team, there's a slot at the
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  Speaker 4: bottom twenty four to twenty five it's an eat and
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  Speaker 4: four team.
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  Speaker 2: It's the SEC that may actually remember all miss Mississippi State.
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  Speaker 2: Like bar two said, Auburn R A and M teams
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  Speaker 2: coming in at eight and four. They had a night,
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  Speaker 2: a real nice year, but they were going to finish
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  Speaker 2: twenty fourth to.
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  Speaker 4: All the voters are putting the better, the better strength
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  Speaker 4: to schedule teams in there.
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  Speaker 2: Uh Sankie said he had an unsatisfactory phone call with
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  Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff Committee on what the nine games
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  Speaker 2: should mean for the SEC. Bar two and back in
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  Speaker 2: a second golf club tomorrow, Bo bounds Dave bar two
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  Speaker 2: with you. We have ice cream drinks with us too.
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  Speaker 2: He made it here. I can't believe it. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: even he can't believe it. He has three nicknames on
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  Speaker 2: the show, double down because at times he's a degenerate gambler.
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  Speaker 2: Ice cream drinks because he drinks like a he's pledging us, aurolorty,
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  Speaker 2: and straight funk because I don't remember how that one
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  Speaker 2: came about.
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  Speaker 1: But you know he likes it. He likes it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we give Jackson when he likes him. That's right,
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  Speaker 4: even though we can't get to work on time.
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  Speaker 1: But man, what about him today?
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  Speaker 3: Here? You were here kind of was it early?
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  Speaker 4: It was seven minutes before the top of the hour.
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  Speaker 4: You said a minute to two minutes before the top
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  Speaker 4: of the hour. He like exceeded it by three hundred.
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  Speaker 4: He really did just knock it out.
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  Speaker 1: Of the.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they called me.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I did take a couple of notes last
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  Speaker 2: night when we were at dinner.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, well, I mean I need to know more about dudlight.
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  Speaker 6: What else did it mean? Did y'all get a plethora?
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  Speaker 6: Was it just everything was there?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we started with fried crab clalls and to Molly's well,
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  Speaker 2: it's a good start. Yeah, that's a real start, and
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  Speaker 2: some great conversation and then uh and then everybody had steaks,
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  Speaker 2: different different cuts, and uh no, Kendall went soft shell
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  Speaker 2: crab for the entree bar two got soft shell crab
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  Speaker 2: as a side.
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  Speaker 6: With his New York strip, like a double up on that.
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  Speaker 6: Wait what yeah, you got a whole shell grab on some.
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  Speaker 4: Well there they're just yeah, a little bit of everything,
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  Speaker 4: little cream spinach.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like getting the bacon wraps. I mean the
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  Speaker 3: bacon wrap shrimp is actually more filling than that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I me it's delicious, but it's.
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  Speaker 6: Did anyone order incorrect? Did anyone order something you shouldn't
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  Speaker 6: have ordered? Or away you shouldn't have ordered order.
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  Speaker 2: Now, we had a bunch of we we we had
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of professionals.
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  Speaker 1: Good. You know, I'm not inviting amateurs to whiskey sixty
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  Speaker 1: one beast damn Rainbow.
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  Speaker 2: Trout, you know, I just we're not We're not doing that.
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  Speaker 2: And then tonight he gets the well and order whatever
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  Speaker 2: he wants. But uh, I file at strip, Rabbi at
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  Speaker 2: the bon and Rabbi at Philip ems Is and oh
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  Speaker 2: I got to get in a cup of saffron chowder.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, start even though it's it's hot.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. You know what Philip Ms will be.
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  Speaker 2: Their condition will be pumping always in there. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: feels great, it does.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have an Elijah Krag last night.
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  Speaker 2: May have to have one tonight just because Bartwo's in town,
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  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, Manhattan or old Fashioned, Not sure yet.
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  Speaker 2: I've got twelve hours to decide. Bartwo and I will
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  Speaker 2: probably land in Philip Ms about five fifteen this afternoon,
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  Speaker 2: and then we're gonna rip at least three, if not
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  Speaker 2: four hours tomorrow. All right, Diamond Dave, you know what
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  Speaker 2: one thing that we brought up last night, I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember if it was you or John. I think y'all
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  Speaker 2: were in a back and forth, which is fun coaching unicorns.
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  Speaker 3: Were we talking about Mullen?
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  Speaker 1: We were talking.
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  Speaker 4: We were talking about mullin Okay, about that okay, and
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  Speaker 4: how his closest.
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  Speaker 1: Guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, right, because we went for everybody who should tune
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  Speaker 4: into the YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 1: You and I did almost two hours yesterday. God, we
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  Speaker 1: did NonStop.
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  Speaker 4: And so one of the things that the database allows
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  Speaker 4: me to do is looking at coaches in a way
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  Speaker 4: I've never been able to on the fly. And we
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  Speaker 4: talked last you know, the unicorn, and what we talked
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  Speaker 4: about at the YouTube channel show yesterday had to do
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  Speaker 4: with coach effect and how Dan is one of only
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  Speaker 4: two guys so since twenty ten, Dan Mullen is one
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  Speaker 4: of two head coaches to improve the coach effect at
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  Speaker 4: three consecutive stops. So when Dan showed up at at
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  Speaker 4: Misisispi State, he improved it over the guy before him.
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  Speaker 4: Then his coach effect at Mississippi State compared to Florida,
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  Speaker 4: it was better at Florida, and albeit one year at UNLB,
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  Speaker 4: that one year at UNLB was better than Florida entire time.
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  Speaker 1: So he was plus coach.
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  Speaker 4: Effect three consecutive stops at three consecutive programs. There's only
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  Speaker 4: one other guy since twenty ten. And this is why
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  Speaker 4: coaching is so hard, is in college football, is in general,
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  Speaker 4: is there isn't a guy that has gone up, up,
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  Speaker 4: up outside of Dan Mullen. There's one other guy that
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  Speaker 4: has gone improve, improve, improve now was Lank.
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  Speaker 2: Kiven And both of them coached in the State of
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  Speaker 2: Mississippi at Rivals Nuts.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy, right, it is.
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  Speaker 4: And then you think about Lane and all of the
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  Speaker 4: tribute you know, trials and tribulations he's gone through as
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  Speaker 4: a head coach.
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  Speaker 1: He still improved.
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  Speaker 4: Still, he had a negative coach effect before FAU at USC,
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  Speaker 4: but he improved USC.
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  Speaker 1: Over what was there before.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he gets to FAU and obviously after
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  Speaker 4: the first year, boom takes off. Ole Miss after the
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  Speaker 4: first year boom takes off even more.
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  Speaker 1: So it is.
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  Speaker 4: Extremely rare to have a head coach be able to
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  Speaker 4: do that, not just at one place. It takes a
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  Speaker 4: good coach to go from good to great and maintain
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  Speaker 4: it like Dan did at Mississippi State, like Lane did
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  Speaker 4: at Ole Miss and FAU and so forth, but to
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  Speaker 4: do it in three consecutive places. There's nobody else in
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  Speaker 4: the FBS that has done it since twenty ten, just
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  Speaker 4: twenty ten.
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  Speaker 2: Dan Mullen and Lane Kiffen, one who coached at Mississippi
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  Speaker 2: State won at Ole Miss. That is what are the
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  Speaker 2: odds that they come through this state and both coach
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  Speaker 2: at different SEC schools within the state of Mississippi.
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  Speaker 3: Part two and Jay Meadows, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: When you threw that out yesterday, I can't even believe this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so much of football, pro and college runs
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  Speaker 2: through this state, just players and different things.
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  Speaker 3: But that's wild.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, two of the coaching unicorns in the state
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  Speaker 2: of Mississippi, without a doubt.
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  Speaker 1: In college football and all of college football.
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  Speaker 3: Lane Kevin and Dan Mullen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Now, and both will always be a part
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  Speaker 4: of the state.
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  Speaker 2: They will always be part of the fabric. Their fingerprints
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  Speaker 2: will always be here. They will be mentioned forever in
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  Speaker 2: some way, shape or form, whether people like them or
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  Speaker 2: don't like them. They had an impact of economic Now
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  Speaker 2: as far as there are hundreds and hundreds of millions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars of impact on start on Oxford, that's insane.
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  Speaker 2: What Dan and Dak did, What Lane and Corral Slash
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  Speaker 2: Dark and Trynidad did good, gosh.
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  Speaker 3: Just and it was at the right time.
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  Speaker 2: With new media and more access and more streaming and
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  Speaker 2: all that, you get every single game, even when you
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  Speaker 2: play a limon Roe and Wofford.
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  Speaker 3: So it's kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Bo Bound's Dave bar two with you coaching unicorns in
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  Speaker 2: this state. I start with Lane one and Dan one A,
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  Speaker 2: but they're the two best ever. And we also talked
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  Speaker 2: about how player evaluation has never been more important. It's
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  Speaker 2: an eye roll with some of the college football fans,
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  Speaker 2: but with the portal and you got to go so fast,
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  Speaker 2: you know again, I referenced it last night and Bartwo's
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  Speaker 2: talked to a million coaches over the years. I'll never
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  Speaker 2: forget what Tony Hughes told me about Dan Mullen. And
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  Speaker 2: Tony coached at Ole, Miss, Southern Miss, and Mississippi State
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  Speaker 2: and had a ton of success and was with I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how many winning teams, but he said, I've
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  Speaker 2: never seen anybody in the film room that can turn
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  Speaker 2: on film and say, yeah, he can play. Now, he's
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  Speaker 2: going to play a different position, but he can play
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  Speaker 2: once we get him up here and he gets five meals.
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  Speaker 3: A day and gets in the weight room.
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  Speaker 1: Da da da da da.
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  Speaker 2: Dan just had a now and Kiffin's a hella an
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  Speaker 2: evaluator too, I mean Quinn Shaun Judkins. I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: could go on and on, but there's a running back
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  Speaker 2: out of Alabama that Bama nor Auburn wanted and Lane
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  Speaker 2: took him and he ended up being a superstar.
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  Speaker 3: There's plenty more.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you look at player development, look at Signetti. Right,
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  Speaker 4: do we have any better? Because I don't think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people realize the.
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  Speaker 2: two Diamond, Dave bar two Matrix Analytical joining me.
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  Speaker 3: He's live in studio.
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  Speaker 2: And of course straight Funk is with us too, and
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  Speaker 2: we were just glad he got here.
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  Speaker 3: He's pretty locked in.
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  Speaker 2: And Bar two is celebrating Vanderbilt on the set. So
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  Speaker 2: he went and grabbed the Vanderbilt helmet this morning, and
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  Speaker 2: it hasn't been on set in a while. I guess
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  Speaker 2: last year maybe Vanderbilt and Diego won a big game
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  Speaker 2: or two.
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  Speaker 3: I mean they won ten games.
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  Speaker 2: And bar two on the way to the studio this morning,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: said bartwo you go ahead. What'd you say about talking.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: About strength of schedule and the quality of the conference
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: and so forth?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: And one of, you know, one.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Of my immediate thoughts is how good is the conference
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: where the absolute dead last, historically worst recruiter.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Wins ten games? How good is the conference? Right? I mean,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: you know Duke wins.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: The ACC oh ACC socks, right, you know, Duke's in
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: the top twenty five ACC socks. Virginia's the top twenty
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: five ACC socks. You know, Big ten, Big twelve Arizona
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: a team that recruits in the fifties. Right, Oh, oh oh,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: the Big ten, Big twelve socks.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Right right.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: So Vanderbilt, the way you framed it up, I'd not
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: thought about that. I mean, Vanderbilt went ten and two
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: last year. It goes to show you how weak the conference.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Was, exactly. And not only were they ten and two, Okay,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: they were the number one scoring efficiency offense in the
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: entire conference.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: What how about that there are the number ones?
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, because and we've talked about this before many times,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: is one of the one of the lines in the
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: sand for a national champion. Last twenty six national champions
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: two thousand through twenty twenty five.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, at the end of the regular.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Season, every single national champ at the end of the
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: regular season is top three in scoring efficiency on offense and.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Or defense and sometimes both three okay, right.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Not top five, not top seven, top three, I mean elite.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: And the only thing Oklahoma was not top three, they
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: were the best defense.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: They were number four.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: And Vanderbilt was top three in scoring efficiency offense last
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: year at number three, right behind number two Indiana. That
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: was your only national championship level offense or defense last
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: year was with the worst recruiter in the conference.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: But no, we're we're gonna go sos, We're gonna go well.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: This conference as tough as hell, Yet the worst recruiter
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: put up the best offense in the entire conference. I
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: think we need to rewire expectations and drop pre nil bs.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: So the last I've said it on the show the
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: last two or three years. It's never been a better
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: time to be good because of the fractured, splintered, huge
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: transition of the portal.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Exactly to your point.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: And an example is the lowest rated recruiter in the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Southeastern Conference by a pretty good margin. The Vanderbilt Commodorees
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: went ten and two last year and had the number
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: one offense scoring efficiency in the conference. Let's even over Lane,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: even over Kirby, even over Hypel, even over Sark, whatever
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the bor Ryan grog.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: But you're looking at.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's the equivalent of Rutgers leading the
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Big Ten in offense or defense.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't thought about that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Let's put it in that layman storry. It's the equivalent
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: of Rutgers going ten and two in the Big Ten
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: and leading the Big ten in offense for.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Defense on defense, right, pick one. I mean, and then
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: what do we think of the Big Ten?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Then well then we we take shots at it doors right, Right?
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I think it does speak to the volumes that the
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: depth of talent is eroded. There's no team today as
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: good as they were years ago.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the Georgia Bama teams.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Right, I mean these are the old the Bama teams smart,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: you know, twenty one twenty two right there on the edge.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, they would kick the living but Jesus out
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: of everybody in the SEC. So getting up there and
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: talking about what the SEC used to be in relation
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: to where it is today, I think it's a poor conversation.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I think it's selection bias using what happened before to
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: apply to where it is today. And I think we
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: can use the same argument too to get rid of
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: the G six in the playoffs. Those Cincinnata, that Cincinnati
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: team that went twelve to zero, never coming back through
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: that door. They're never retaining that talent long enough to
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: be that good, you know, and even be competitive. So
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of dialogue that could be
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: had because of NIL over the last four or five
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: years and how it's changed the talent landscape and the
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: continuity landscape and really is erod at all levels of
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: college football across the board.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: And Greg Sankie was he just wasn't a happy camper.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: You know, you're in Tampa, Florida, You're not paying for anything.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: You flew down on a private jet. You make a
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: million dollars a month. Life's not bad. Probably went on
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: a pretty cool vacation at some point this summer. He
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: was cranky, sanky.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Who's who I'm trying to figure out? Who sold them
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: a bill of goods on going to nine?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's right. Who sold the bill of goods?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Somebody had to because you and I on this show.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I've been on the show for over a decade, right,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: And how many times have I said over the years,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: don't go to nine.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Right? The numbers backed it up.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Don't go to nine, stay at eight, make everybody come
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: down to you.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Eight is way better.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: And as a fan, I would much rather have an
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: eight two and two schedule, which is eight SEC games,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: two Power four nonconference and two cupcake and eaders whatever, right.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Right, I'd rather do it that way.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: That would give me a good SOS too, and it'd
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: really defined who's good or not. And I think I'd
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: be exciting. But we've said, don't go to nine. Don't
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: do it. It's a bad idea. Strength of schedule doesn't
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: mean anything. It doesn't define the quality of the team.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: It's the last thing the playoff committee uses in terms
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: of segmenting teams. Don't do it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Don't do it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: And here we are they did it, and I want
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: to know who talked everybody into it.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I got a couple of theories, so I would look
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: for here. So the presidents run the deal and they
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: make the vote on you know, with other people involved.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I guess ESPN Disney sweetened the pot enough.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that was.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Has it beneficially announced it was a ten million more team,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: twelve million more team. I think post COVID athletic directors
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: and presidents got scared to death. And then with the portal,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: they're trying to figure out how they can pay for
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: men's basketball, women's basketball, and college baseball whichever one's more
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: important on that campus, or two of the three right
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: along would just give some of the other sports, you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand and two whatever their budget is, and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: softball and some others, And so I think that's it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I think they look at it and they're like, it
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: was a money grap It was it. Disney and ESPN,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: who now house all of the sec inventory, gave X
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: amount for the ninth for.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: All none.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, so so it's a money grab. So we want
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: our cake and eat it too. Then absolutely I want
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: the money, but I don't want the penalty of going
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: to nine games. That's what we're talking about, right, And
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: here we are, we're talking about the penalty of nine games.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: And media Day has been ensnared with SOS talk the
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: entire first day, right, you know, and we've said a
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: million times on this show. Everybody listening right now knows
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: that strength of schedule has absolutely nothing to do with
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: the quality of a team, zero correlation with the quality
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: of the team. And but here we are, suddenly strength
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: of schedule is the most important thing to talk about.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Last year, it wasn't, right, I mean, could you could
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: you imagine that? You know, you look at Vanderbilt schedule, right,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: could you imagine if Old Miss was ten and two
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: last year, Vanderbilt was ten and two last year, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Vanderbilt gets in because they've got a better strength of schedule.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Right, Wait till that happens. That would have burned some
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: people up right, wait till that happens.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Or Vanderbilt.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: What about Vanderbilt getting in over LSU a big ur
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Georgia because of what your strength up schedule.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I'm doing that in airplay.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Air quotes a strength of schedule, you know, And so
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I don't mind the way the Playoff Committee has been
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: using it, which is to separate equal teams at the end, Right,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: you have the equal number of quality wins. You got
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: equal number of top twenty five wins. You know you're
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: ten and two.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: You're both and two. Who has a better strength to schedule?
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Maybe they both get in, but one is the seventh
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: seed with a better SOS and one is the eight seed.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: And then the other thing.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Is, we don't nobody's talking about how do you calculate
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: strength to schedule. I could sit here and show you
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: a hundred different ways to catch it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I see your nine thousand spreadsheets, and then we could
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: manipulate it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Right, you can't.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: One of the easiest things to manipulate is a strength
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: of schedule ranking, because you could just start tweaking the
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: dials until it comes out the way you want it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Right, which Danny.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Kanal has said yesterday that the SEC doesn't play anybody, so,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: oh my god, he made he made sure to jump
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: on on the bandwagon that evidently there's there's no more
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: to since we've lost three national championship, well we hadn't
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: played for them, but since we haven't won a national championship.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: In three years.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Canal's like, this league's garbage.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Well you know something, how about they're all garbage nobody
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: plays anybody until.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Well that's your whole thing you would like to And
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I get where you're going. I mean, I'm trying to
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: figure out if you're you know, if you're totally right,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: who knows who is?
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: But I get what you're You want more teams.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: To play each other cross P four conference to try
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: to get an idea on who the best teams are.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: By the time we go into the college football.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Players, well, right, right, and as do you want to see.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Oregon and Georgia or because.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Even Oregon in Oklahoma State and Georgia and b YU,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: I don't care, you know.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Didn't like the Pac twelve blowing up and going to
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: the Big Ten. But I will say as a fan
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: going to outsin now and seeing Michigan or Indiana kick.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Our ass or Northwestern or all these different ones, it's great.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay. And then from a strength of
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: schedule standpoint, a lot of people try to compare college
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: basketball to college football, which is a bit silly because
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: look at the non conference.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Schedule of basketball oh you got what.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Twelve fourteen, sixteen games before January?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: One huge crossover, right, we.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Can feed that Kansas and Kentucky play.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: We have the SEC versus the Big twelve or Big ten. Uh,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: it's hell, it's a turn you know, not a tournament,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: but it's a whatever.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have all kinds of.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: All that stuff.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: And so to me to get accurate, the fewer games
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: that we play non conference, the worst the strength of
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: schedule model gets right. Think about our think about our
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: data points, right, if the if the SEC, I mean
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: they just pulled out of Arizona State, LSU, Washington, Tennessee,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: you know, and which is to the that's going away?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, show they added a ninth conference game. Day
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: bar two bo bounds on the Out of Bounds show.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: We don't want to leave out straight Funk. He's running
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the show. You're listening to ESPN one oh five nine
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the Zone. If you would like to ask day bar
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: two a question about your coach or OC or DC,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: like a ranking, rating, grade, or your schedule or something
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: like that, head coach, all that hit us up on
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the Dancing Rabbit Golf text line six oh one eight
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: eight five three, seven, seven six where bar two's going
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: with LSU canceling the Arizona State Series and Georgia canceling
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the Washington Series is it's it looks to be obvious
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: that the league is now going to pull back on
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the mandated power for non conference game going forward, whatever
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: year that is, while going to nine because they're not
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: going to ever drop the night once you go to
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: non conference games, you're not going back.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: No, No, I don't think so either, you know, unless
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: there is some sort of razy right yeah, and unless
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: there's some sort of everybody gets together and drops to
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: eight at the same time, right right. They got to
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: they gotta have a you know, memorandum of understanding. Basically,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: we're gonna all do this, uh and it And it
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: sucks though that with everybody at nine. And let's say
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: that P four requirement non conference is dropped, which which
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: is fine, I understand it, to try to be the Big.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Ten doesn't have it right the way they're trying to
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: level the playing field.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: But what it's also taking away is data points, which
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: makes strength of schedule. I mean, it's impossible to come
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: up with a good one, it really really is.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: But the first thing is get the G five teams
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: out of the College Football Playoff and then figure out
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: if we're going to go to sixteen, twenty or twenty four.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: The SEC wants sixteen, the Big Ten wants twenty four,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if that means they'll land at
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: twenty or who's going to balk or how this is
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: this is going to look going forward. But we go
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to non conference games, which is not going to be
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: good for anybody in the league. As far as losses,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: you said it average, it'll average a half a loss
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to a lost stage team.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's going to impact the lesser talent injury
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: teams that year.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: So we're the most injured, we're the most injury prone league,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: is right.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, you are.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Starts lost per snap, starts lost per snap yep.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: The Southeastern Conference is number one, is number one, okay, right, And.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Now that I haven't done the research on that in
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: the last couple of years, it may have shifted because
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: number two is the Big Ten, But then the Big
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Ten went to nine conference games, okay, and so but
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: it's always been the se SEC is number one in
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: that ten year research that I did, and when you
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: look at it, though, they were also number one in
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: average height and weight on the field. Right, Okay, it's
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: simple physics. Sure is fource equals masstime acceleration. You got
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: bigger bodies moving just as fast as everybody else. You
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: are getting more injuries. And to compare it to the NFL,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: this is this will show you the violence of the
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: NFL is with the With the SEC, you lose about
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: one start per player per season. In the NFL you
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: lose three guys for the entire season the equivalent. So
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: for every one start lost in the SEC due to injury,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: there is one guy that loses the entire season in
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: the NFL. The NFL is essentially just it's it's like
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: nine times more violent in terms of injury.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Good. But it's all the biggest, fastest guys. I get it.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I mean you can tell you know, we're we all
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: watch I binge watch twelve hours of college football on Saturday.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Not that I know, but it's fun, you see it.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: But man, when you turn on the NFL on Sunday, good,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I mean the difference is night and day.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can tell the first and then you look
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: at yeah, and you look at that injury record too.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Is it is in lockstep with the size of the conference.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: It's the SEC in Big ten, and then you then
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: it drops down to the ACC and then it drops
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: down to well, it was the PAC twelve, and then
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: the Big twelve was the least injured. And then you
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: get into your G sixes, which had three hundred percent less.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: It was like one in three at the injury rate.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: At the G six you were three times more likely
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: to get injured and lose a start in the Power
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: four than the G six.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: How about that?
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Then it steps up again to the NFL.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: So hold on, all right, So we got to switch
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: gears because we've got five minutes here and I want
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: to do Lane versus John David Bacon. Oh okay, all right,
• 33:33
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• 33:46
  Speaker 2: good morning, welcome into you. Straight Funk is with us too.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Hope you're doing well. Thanks for hanging out with us.
• 33:51
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• 33:59
  Speaker 2: a Lane versus John David Baker over the next four
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: or five minutes. Here Lane was the offensive coordinator slash
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: maybe wiss in Oxford, and now John David Baker is
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the OC in Oxford.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: He had two years experience at.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: East Carolina, one good, one bad, kind of like Levy
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: at Oklahoma one good, one bad and at Mississippi State,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Levy's had one bad one Oh okay, Oh oh.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: a minute. Well, let's not get over our skis.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: John David Baker good and bad is not Jeff Levy
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: good and bad at Oklahoma. Jeff Leby good and bad
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: at Oklahoma was awful and awesome.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay. John David Baker was really good and still
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: pretty good. Okay, Okay.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Now, his second year at East Carolina was a big
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: drop off, specifically in explosiveness. It was the least explosive
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: offense in the country last year. But we can take
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: a look at play calling traits, and that's what that's
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: we break down.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: We can break down run.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Actually, I can remember how I said I got a
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: bunch of data at my fingertips. Now, yeah, I can
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: do this with anybody in the country since twenty ten. Okay,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: so Kiffin and Baker in twenty twenty five, and we
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: can go any direction you want with this. But let's
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: start with overall tempo. Yeah, okay, Bake, Baker's a little
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: bit quicker. Now, Now this does not take into this
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: takes into account garbage time. So Ole miss was awful
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: good last year, right, Okay, they had a lot of
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: garbage time. Lane could slow it down in the fourth
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: quarter whenever he wanted to. ECU one is good. They
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: play They pretty played, pretty up tempo. So Baker last
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: year was averaging a snap every twenty one seconds. Interesting, okay,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: twenty one point two, Kiffin twenty three point two. Okay,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: so a couple seconds faster. Right, So so I expect
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: compound that that day. I expect John David Baker to
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: be running a little bit faster offense, maybe not as
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: quick in year one, because there has got to be
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: a comfortable, comfortable level of sec play. Right, he's in
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: East Carolina. You know it's it's tomato. It's not tomato tomato,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: I mean it is two totally different leagues. There snaps
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: per game, though averages out about the same. Baker is
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: going to push about four and a half five more snaps,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: so basically an extra drive is going.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: To go on Pete Golden's defense. Okay, okay, uh.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: So, so slightly faster, a few more snaps, but running
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: the hurry up temp.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Let's let's and I'll jump into tempo distribution.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, so we know John David is going a little
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: bit quicker than Kiffen, but what is the tempo distribution now?
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: John David Baker runs a hurry up offense, snapping the
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: ball with with fifteen seconds or more left on the clock.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: He's done out about.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Thirty percent of the time last year thirty point one percent,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Kiffen twenty seven point two.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: So Baker this kind of.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Goales locked and steps. He's he's running faster, He's using
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: the hurry up more.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: The big difference is the fast fifteen to twenty seconds
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: have have eroded on the play clock. Kiffin snaps at
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: about fourteen percent of the time, Baker at twenty point three.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: So you are going to see more.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Than half of the snaps with Baker versus about forty
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: percent of the snaps with Lane, they're snapping this with
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: only twenty seconds or less eroded on the play clock.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you got you've got more tempo there.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: And then as as it goes down when you start
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: talking about grinding it out, this is where Kiffyn kind
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: of really slows it down.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: When he is ending a game.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Nearly thirty percent of his snap apps were there was
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: a thirty seconds eroded from the play clock. Wow, over
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: thirty percent. A lot of people think Lane is really
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: really up tempo. But nearly one out of every three
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: snaps he had last year, the play clock had.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Run down thirty seconds already.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: How about that right where John David Baker is only
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: at twenty four percent.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: So you got a lot more tempo, you got a
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: lot more pace.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Kiffen has more of a distribution of pace of play.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: He's got an incredible feel yeah, right the game, which
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: is really hard to quantify. Yeah it is, but you
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: look at Kiffin and and you look at the running
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: numbers we talked about yesterday too. You know, the run
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: to pass ratio in third and five and more in
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: close games. Kiffen led the league in every aspect. Third
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: and five to ten, third and ten plus and so forth.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: So Lane not only runs it a little bit slower
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: than John David Baker, he also runs.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: The ball a whole lot more.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Hold that thought, Dave bar two Matrix Analytical Live in
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: the Bank Plus Studio will continue this discussion on Lane
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Kiffen and John David Baker. Maybe a little bit of
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: a deficiency between Lane, who's rock star level, top five,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: top ten maybe play caller, and John David Baker, who's
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: not top ten or twenty or thirty or forty. So
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: so we'll jump back into that. But if you do
• 39:31
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• 39:34
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• 40:02
  Speaker 2: baker won't be as fast in the. Sec, also why
• 40:06
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• 40:11
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• 41:37
  Speaker 2: to compare and. Contrast Lane kiffin is a play, caller
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: And John David.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Bright and this is last year was just twenty five, okay,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Okay so it Was baker AT ecu and kiffing at
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: obviously at old miss explosive play. Rate let's talk about
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: that because now there's a little little side note on
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: explosive plays for everybody. Listening there's two kinds of explosive.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Plays.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Okay there's a explosive scoring and there's explosive non.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Scoring.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: Okay explosive non scoring plays effect road teams positively for
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: wins and losses only about fifty five percent of the.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Time you, know if you take all the explosive plays
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: and jumble them, up they have a big impact on the.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Game but when you start separating out road and home
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: and explosive scoring and non, scoring it starts making a
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: bit of a, Difference but explosive play rate overall is
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: a good measure of how because that really affects wins and. Losses,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: okay it's right there with turnover. Margin it's not as
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: strong as scoring, efficiency it's not as strong as momentum.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Control but explosive play rates really. Important so last year
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: plays of fifteen or more Yards kiffen.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Thirteen point eight, Percent baker ten point.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Five, okay, okay so a little less explosive on the
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: per play explosive rate twenty yard plus Plays kiffin point,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Six baker six point, two so about the same drop.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Off you, Know lane a little bit more. Explosive explosive
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: run Percentage kiffin, Eight baker four and a. Half that's
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: a big gap right. THERE i, mean the difference between
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: the two is in that big but it's almost double
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: For lane on the run side of. It explosive Passes
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: kiffin at twenty, One baker at eighteen not that far.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Apart so explosive play calling on the path side of
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: it is probably a little bit. More even the run
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: side is WHERE i think the differentiation is With kiffen
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: and his play.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Calling so overall in twenty twenty.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Five Old miss just generated significantly more explosive plays for the.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Game nearly fourteen percent of their plays go for fifteen plus,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: yards WHERE ecu is about ten and a.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Half, okay, INTERESTING i wonder if we should Compare John
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: David baker And.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Levy we might come back and do. That that takes
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: a minute for this for this to run all of
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: thirty or. None, yeah we can do. That, now here's
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: the biggest thing that the numbers pointed out in the. Behavior, okay,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: okay this is the biggest. One, uh and then THEN
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: i can wrap it. Up but this one was really
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: interesting in terms.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Of pace of.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Play quarter, One kiffin much slower Than. Baker quarter two
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: about the, same But baker still, faster more uptemple. Plays quarter,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Three baker more uptemple. Plays and then it. Flips, okay
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: When kiffin is trailing in the fourth, quarter his up
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: tempo is twice as fast As John David. Baker he
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: steps on the. Gas and here's the other thing is
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: when he is, leading he maintains. Tempo John David baker
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: slows way down at any point when he is when
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: he's winning a.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Game SO i think The kiffyn.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Plays to WIN i think.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Goes we've talked about it over the.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Years there's not me coaches that do, it AND i
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: don't know how you would frame it, up but you
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: got to go get the. Win they're not going to
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: get in our league usually they're not gonna.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Give it to. You, no you gotta go take it you.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: Got and these numbers are saying That John David baker
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: maybe plays a little bit not to lose when he's, winning,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: right and maybe doesn't have the true fastball to ratchet it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Up he runs, fast But lane has the.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Ability it's it's almost like he can call multiple plays
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: at once and just ramp up the tempo when he
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: wants to get it. Going so it's just imagine him
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: just cruising down the highway at seventy all game and
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: then suddenly in the fourth, quarter whether he's losing or,
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: winning here comes the, Tempo here comes the, pressure and
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Either i'm gonna stomp you out Or i'm gonna go super.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: FAST i have to be able to catch. Up Whereas
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: baker doesn't really speed. Up he runs the same tempo
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: when he's losing as the, first, second and third, quarter
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: and when he's winning he slows way. Down trying not
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: to lose the football. Game big difference in my. Opinion
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: there interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It that was a Good.
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  Speaker 2: Wayne kiffen Versus John David baker as play caller still
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  Speaker 4: Game, okay Because kiffin's run game far better Than John
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: David baker's last, year seventy nine percent of his fourth and.
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  Speaker 2: want to do The Dan mullen profile for our?
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  Speaker 1: Listeners, yeah we we we can do. That we were
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  Speaker 1: just talking about who do we compare? You we'll love
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  Speaker 1: you to.
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  Speaker 4: This how about this is why don't we compare in?
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  Speaker 4: Contrast because, look every fan wants to be the, best,
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  Speaker 4: Right so why don't we Compare jeff To Tim Beckett.
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  Speaker 2: Vanderbilt, yeah that's a good, one all right for our.
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  Speaker 2: Listeners vanderbilt just had two really good. Years well arguably
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  Speaker 2: they're greatest year last year at ten and. Two they're
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  Speaker 2: the worst recruiter in the league and went ten and
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  Speaker 2: two and they Had Diego. Povius so we'll teat bar two.
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  Speaker 2: jerry's been, Everywhere, Okay jerry's really Underrated, minnesota and he
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  Speaker 2: brought In Tim beck with, him who's a good offensive
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  Speaker 2: coordinator and Obviously, pavia, right you know who Is it's,
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  Speaker 2: like you, Know Johnny manziel And jeremiah solely had a.
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  Speaker 1: Baby but run him out, there all, right you.
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  Speaker 2: Know levy Versus Tim beck who's been THE O c At. Vanderbilt,
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  Speaker 2: yeah let's do.
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  Speaker 1: That, yeah so it'll it'll be going through.
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  Speaker 4: That but you had talked About Dan.
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  Speaker 1: Mullen, yeah AND.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I wanted to, profile like who's his camp as a
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  Speaker 2: college football? Coach dan was stops as a head coach
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  Speaker 2: At Mississippi, State florida and unov.
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  Speaker 4: And so for for folks out there with coach effect
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  Speaker 4: is it is something THAT i came up with what
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  Speaker 4: over deck fifteen years ago and it was very so
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  Speaker 4: it was when you won a game against the team
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  Speaker 4: that you out. Recruited there's no coach effect because the
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  Speaker 4: theory is talent wins most football. Games and it's true
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  Speaker 4: if you take all of the high school and portal
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  Speaker 4: talent and take the four best classes of the last four,
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  Speaker 4: years whether it's the portal or high, school you, know
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: and you take your four best, classes that's going to
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  Speaker 4: win you about seventy percent of the football.
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  Speaker 1: Games the rest of it is.
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  Speaker 4: Coaching but because of the access to data, Now i'm
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: able to not only have coach, effect BUT i can have.
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  Speaker 4: WAR i can have wins above. Replacement how good has
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  Speaker 4: that guy been over? Time and so it allows me
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  Speaker 4: to be able to take a look at somebody Like
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  Speaker 4: Dan mullen At Mississippi, state At, florida AT unlv individually
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  Speaker 4: and as a full, career right what's his full career
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  Speaker 4: for coach effect and so? Forth and so we were
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  Speaker 4: doing this yesterday AND i asked the, system who Is
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  Speaker 4: Dan mullin's closest.
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  Speaker 1: Twin, basically, yeah what was the complement of?
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: It Dan, Mullins so for his entire, career he is
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: almost plus one full game coach effect per year per,
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: year meaning for his entire, career he has almost averaged
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: one extra win above talent at all of his.
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  Speaker 2: Stops, okay that's like a fourteen year head coaching, career go.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Ahead it's an amazing number for. Him his standard deviation
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: his best year to worst year is one point five to,
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: four so his top year and his bottom year aren't
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: that far. Apart and his wins above replacement is at
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: forty three point. One Now saban has the greatest war
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: since twenty, ten he's at a seventy. Seven dabbo is
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: like at a sixty, nine And dabbo at this pace
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  Speaker 4: is never even going to come close to breaking.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Seventy so, yeah when's above replacement for?
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  Speaker 1: Listeners is? War go? Ahead or?
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  Speaker 4: Two and so you look At dan and you look
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  Speaker 4: at his whole, career and then the number one guy
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  Speaker 4: that popped up one last year as a head coach
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  Speaker 4: coach effect point seventy four versus point seven to.
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  Speaker 1: One it's almost the same coach effect for their. Career Their.
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  Speaker 4: War so both of these guys have been doing it
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  Speaker 4: a long time at a really good. Level one as
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  Speaker 4: a fifty ones at a forty three standard, deviation ones
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  Speaker 4: at one point sixty. Five one is at a one
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  Speaker 4: point five to. Four and the guy closest To Dan
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  Speaker 4: mullen with those, numbers It's James.
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  Speaker 2: Franklin James franklin Is Dan mullen's twin as a head
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  Speaker 2: coach with a lot of What franklin did to give
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  Speaker 2: you that number was the fact that he was so
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  Speaker 2: amazing At.
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  Speaker 1: Vanderbilt, right it's more back, Weighted, okay, right Did? Dan?
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  Speaker 1: DAN i would say it's kind of he's four? Level
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  Speaker 1: did Well? Dan if you if you look.
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  Speaker 4: At his career With Mississippi, state it was it was
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  Speaker 4: a slow curve up, Right AND i think a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people underappreciate what he did At.
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  Speaker 1: Florida you know it. Did it fell off a cliff
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  Speaker 1: at the.
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  Speaker 4: End but and because of that recency, BIAS i think
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: everybody forgets the three and a half years before it
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: fell off a. Cliff he was, fantastic the wow and
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: and he took OVER unlv with nobody last Year barry
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: otom left to go be terrible At purdue and took
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: everybody with, him And dan only posted a ten to two.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Just absolutely wicked.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: GOOD i, mean, wow you, know and so but the
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: numbers back that. Up the numbers say A A p
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: four TO g six and the move, down there's hardly
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: any loss in ability. There there's no like one year
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: waiting period Where lane going TO, lsu where some are
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: all going from, uh From tulane To.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Florida. Uh there there there's.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: Going to be a step back and now you, know
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: a one one and a half game step back below.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: Expectations whereas that dropped. Down the big guys can handle
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: it a whole lot. Better So James franklin was the
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: number one comparison, though all, Right So.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Mullin's twin and comp is Is James. Franklin and it's
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: heavily weighted For franklin because of winning.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Games he shouldn't have won At, vanderbilt.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, yeah but you know even Before gosh he was.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Good he, was he, was AND i think.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: We would agree if if what he did At vanderbilt
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: was At Penn, state we would have all, Said Penn
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: state is going to be in a national title game
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: at some point right, RIGHT i mean really and he
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: just couldn't find that magic overall a vander but he
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: was still really.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Good, yeah he was knocking down basically ten and two's
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: yeah every, Year, yeah.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Ten and, two eleven and. One he had him in the.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: PLAYOFFS i mean.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah it was it was going good until it didn't right,
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: right and then and then it just fell off a, cliff.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Kind of a little dabbo in him in that maybe
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: wasn't quite willing to listen or change OR.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: I don't, know you, KNOW i think a lot of
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: it when you start getting that elite, LEVEL i do,
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: believe so you have to just catch certain, breaks, RIGHT i,
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: mean things just have to come. Together it's it's, like,
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: LOOK i think one of the great examples IS. LSU
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: i will go to my grave not being able to
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: quantify how Ed odern did what he did at Ole
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: miss and turned around and has a national championship ring
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: at the head coach AT.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: LSU i don't get.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: It it's like Going dave three plus six is, purple
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: what you? Know and SO i mean, again think about
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: all the conflicts of everything coming Through Joe Brady Burrow miranda.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: To TWO nfl first round wide. Receivers it could be
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: in the fighting in a. Bottle so With, james do
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: you look at?
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: It he just couldn't GET i don't think he could
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Get he couldn't get the quarterback right. RIGHT i mean
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: he could ever get the quarterback, right and he couldn't
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: get that OC dc. Right AND i think he got
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: frustrated because you saw him fire a lot of ocs
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: the last few, years and SO i think there was
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: a frustration level there for for. Him but AND i
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: think this year he's gonna get THE oc. Wrong but
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: that's between you know my, Opinion and he's going to
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Be Franklin's franklins next man, Out, okay a guy who
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: was terrible at THE fcs who just kind of stuck
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: around long.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Enough so we'll see if that.
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• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Dan mullen's coaching twin Is James, franklin and we're gonna
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Do kiffin's coming.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Up but first we want to Compare.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Jeff levy as a play caller in twenty twenty five
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Versus Tim beck as a play caller At vanderbilt in
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Five we just did it With Lane kiffen
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: And John David, Baker so bar.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Two, Yeah and the reason we were going With vanderbilt
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: is simply they had the number one scoring efficiency offense
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: in THE sec last.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Year, yeah so which everybody predicted, that.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Right why not see where why not try to see
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: where we got to? Go?
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Right right on this thing, again won't we won't talk
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: about twenty twenty four all Form Mississippi, State so this
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: is just twenty twenty. Five but the first thing that jumps,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: OUT i, mean, look we Know vanderbilt is super.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Efficient, right but how much more? Efficient?
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: Okay so per snap last, year you take all the
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: offensive snap, estate all the offensive snaps Of, vanderbilt the
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: expected points per, Snap vanderbilt number was thirty eight percent.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Higher thirty eight percent, high thirty.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: Eight percent higher per. Snap so imagine extrapolate that out
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: every Drive state, had every Drive vanderbilt. Had vanderbilt average
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: thirty eight percent more points Than.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: State that's how big the gap.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Was and you just take that snap spout points yeah
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: for the.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Game uh huh, okay, yeah you. Know and In Mississippi
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: state's last year wasn't that?
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: Bad uh it was point one eighty seven And John
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: David baker was at point one ninety one At East.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: Carolina so, offensively efficiency wasn't very far apart. There But
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: beck And pavia And vanderbilt just awesome last.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Year it's really hard And.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: I'm putting that out there because the perspective of nearly
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: forty percent higher scoring per drive for an entire, season it's.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: Right but here's the thing, is look at the snap.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: Rate you would have Expected vanderbilt to run a lot more, plays, Right,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: nope plays per Game vanderbilt offensive snaps fifty, Nine Mississippi
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: state seventy point. Three levy was running a snap every
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: twenty two point four Seconds beck And vanderbilt twenty seven point.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: Six so not only were they going way, slower it
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: was the per. Play look at the yards per play
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: five point seven to, seven seven point seven to, one
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: almost two yards per play every play for an entire.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: Season that's how much better The vanderbilt offense, was, Right
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: and one of the big, reasons, uh there's two reasons,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: there explosive plays and third down. Conversions right moves the jains.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: Right so explosive plays were getting big. Pops vanderbilt about
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: seventeen percent of their plays were explosive For Mississippi state.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Eleven, okay that's a pretty, right.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: That's a pretty big gap. There but look at the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: moving the. Chains this is where it's really. Big AND
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: i think everybody listening would agree from an efficiency standpoint football, Standpoint,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: yeah we want, scoring but we also need to move the. Chains,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: sure you, know we all can't BE tcu where forty
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: eight percent of our touchdowns came from explosive scores outside the.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Twenty, okay so last.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: Year Mississippi state third down conversion rate on offense forty
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: one point two, Percent vanderbilt fifty six point seven.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Percent, so and it was.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: At every, level third and short sixty seven to seventy,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: three third medium four to six yards fifty to sixty seven.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: Percent so third and, four third and, five third and,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: Six Mississippi state was fifty to, Fifty vanderbilt.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Was two out of. Three, right it adds, up and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: then over the course of the season it rats.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Up, right and then then it flips third and long
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: one in three For Mississippi, state fifty to fifty For.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Vanderbilt you, know and so.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: You have you have a you have a big pace
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: of play advantage Form Mississippi. State but it was largely
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: inefficient compared to What vanderbilt was. Doing SO i think
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: the moral of the story of, this of this WHEN
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: i look at, it THAT i like to tell is
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: the people always, ask, well what's better up?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Tempo? Rpo? Slow you, know you, know grind it out
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: three yards in a cloud of. Dust it doesn't. Matter
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: it's can you? Execute that is.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: It everybody has a great offense if they can coach
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: it and execute, it that is, it you, know and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: you know so so with for For Mississippi state going.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Out is a big gap Between vanderbilt's offense In Mississippi
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: states offense in twenty twenty.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Five, yes it's a massive.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: Gap you don't realize it until you start looking at
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: these per play and per drive. Numbers vanderbilt's recruiting in
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: the top. Ten they're not even in the top thirty thirty.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: FIVE i think they were fortieth last. Year you, know
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: when you add up the portal and their high school.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: RECRUITING i, mean, well we talked about. It they're the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: worst of THE sec right, now they're you, know number.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: Forty so but it also goes to show maybe like
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: we talked, about is with nil and the lack of
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: depth how one quarterback could make a. Difference but remember
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: that quarterback also has to be, coached and the plays
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: have to be, called and the plays still have to be.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: Executed ball still have to get caught in order to
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: make that. Happen But vanderbilt is a great study in
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: that pace doesn't always equal wins an.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Efficiency, okay all, Right so that Was Jeff levy Versus
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Tim beck for our. Listeners he's the offensive coordinator At.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Vanderbilt he Had Diego pavia the last couple of years
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Save Clark lee's, job and they went ten and two last.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Year bar two started the show basically, saying this is
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: how bad or not how? Bad this is how watered
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: down the conference is compared to five six years ago
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: When bama And georgia were running. It, vanderbilt the worst,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: recruiter had the number one scoring efficiency offense in the,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: league and went ten and.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Two all, right so.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Are we going To kiffen's?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Twin oh we. Can't, yeah we.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: Can't if anybody's listening right, now text in if you
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: want more, comparisons we don't have to do it on the.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Air we might be able to do some.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Recording hold, on let me throw In Rebel greggs on
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: The Dancing rabbit off Tex. Line oh, yeah he, said
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: can you ask bar two what kind of talent Did
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: John David baker have It East carolina versus what he
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: will have At Old? Miss curious to see what the
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: recruiting rankings Were East. Carolina, yeah but you're also comparing
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: he's going to go against AN sec, schedule.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Right, right that's.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: It it's not about the talent they have, individually it's
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: the talent relative to who they play did?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Play? Right this is what we call ease of. Schedule
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: what is.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: Your talent relative to the talent you're? Facing and SO
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: i don't have that number right in front of.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Me that's What i'll pull it.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Up uh for it because it matters if well Comparing
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Old miss In East carolina offensive. Talent East carolina was
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: playing AN aac. Schedule now he'll play AT. Net, yes
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Hees trinida, adding.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: But is it a? Net but is it a? Net
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: is it a? Positive? RIGHT i mean it?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: Is IS ecu the number one recruit or IS eacu
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: The georgia of their? Conference and they have a talent
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: advantage in every single?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Game?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: YEAH i don't know, right all we're going to find.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: Out i'll check that out at the break For. Greg,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: okay all, right so we.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Did Dan mullen's twin head coaching comp Is James Franklin
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: bar two on the out Of bounds. Show he joins
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: us on The Farm Bureau insurance guest. Line this IS
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: espn one oh five nine the. Zone who Is Lane kiffin's?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: Comp, yeah so I I i, ASKED i asked the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: question of the system of look At lane's. Career, now
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: this takes into account everything since two thousand. Ten, okay,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: right so us, SEE i don't know If tennessee was still.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: There but this isn't just old miss or Old miss plus.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: Fau it's, Everything, Uh Lane kiffin for his career plus.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: One point three games coach. Effect it's a little bit
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: better Than, dan just a little bit a little bit Better.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: Dan, Okay, okay his his twin is at plus one
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: point six.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Games, Okay, uh can you give me a? Hint the
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: war wins above replacement where the war.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: The war ones at thirty three one at forty three
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: lanes a little bit better, Overall so that means this
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: other guy has had a little bit more Talent they've
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: both been in the in college football for about the
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: same amount of, time and they've both been at multiple.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Programs they're.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: Low their worst seasons are about the, same their top,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: Season i'm going to, guess are about the.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Same and people are going to be thrown off because
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: now they think he's terrible because he just got Fired Bron.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: Kelly, no, okay that's not who it spit. Out, okay
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: it's spit. Out the guy that had all those numbers
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: almost identical To lane Is Lincoln.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Riley Lincoln raleigh Is Lane kiffin's come, yep.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: Interesting similar low worst. Year you take their worst, years
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: they're very. Similar their best years both of them at
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: plus three. Games, okay and it's funny even beyond. That
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: from an offensive coordinator, standpoint both are five star offensive
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: coordinators in their own, right, right that's a, problem so you,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: know but you look at, it both of them are
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: averaging basically for their, career they're averaging plus one game
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: above coach.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Effect, yeah which is. Awesome it is really Really. Dan
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: so To, dan.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: When you do that over ten, years that's that is
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: hard to. Do And dan's done. It kiffin's done. It
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Lincoln raleigh H James, FRANKLIN i guess and so.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: On so all, right, show.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: This guy's Hammering lane for not winning a playoff game. Yet, okay,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: WELL i mean he Took All miss to the college football.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Playoffs he just didn't coach. Him he was he was
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: going to beat Tou lane in his.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Sleep well, not what do you mean he didn't win
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: a playoff.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Game this guy's he's trying to basically say That lane's
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: not that good because he hasn't ever done anything in the.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: Postseason oh, yeah he, went, yeah. Exactly they're Beating, Tulane
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: they're Beating. GEORGIA i, mean, RIGHT i, mean, geez.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: All, right, right, right right, Right, Okay So Lane's Lincoln.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Raleigh that isn't that? Interesting it, IS i, mean he walked.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: In but it makes but it makes sense in a
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: way both from a head coach and offensive coordinator.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: STANDPOINT i Think Lane lane has obviously been better At
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: Ole miss Than lincoln has been AT usc, clearly but
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: it also shows you how Good Lincoln riley was At.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: Oklahoma you, know when you start blending those things kind
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: of Like James, franklin a little bit more weighted on
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: the back, end and it goes back to saying Why
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: dan is so good because he keeps improving all you, Know, Franklin,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: yeah he's had a great. Career But vanderbilt was better
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: than the next, stop right, Right oklahoma was better THAN.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: Usc lane was better At Ole miss THAN, fau and
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: he was better AT fau THAN. Usc and he's better
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: AT usc than he was In tennessee for the one.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: Year So lane has shown that. Progression dan has showed
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: that progression and that is really really hard to do
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: in college.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Football and back to what you said in the seven
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: THIRTY Sec insider, Hit Lane kiffyn And Dan mullen are
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: the only two coaches since two thousand ten to coach
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: at three different schools and do what.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: And and improve the coach effect over the over the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: predecessor or their own coach effect year over. Year, Right
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: So dan came In Mississippi, state improved on what he took.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: Over.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Wow then he was At.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: Florida his His florida coach effect numbers in those four
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: years was better than his Overall Mississippi state. Uh and
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: then his one year AT unlv was better than either
• 1:10:26
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  Speaker 4: Guys and SO i was just pulling UP i was
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  Speaker 4: just pulling up De boor's coach. Effect, profile because we
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  Speaker 4: into this, later but you look At debor for his
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  Speaker 4: career his coach, effect he's plus two point three nine
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  Speaker 4: games amongst active heads per year per, year plus three
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  Speaker 4: different games at three different places where was His, Red
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  Speaker 4: washington And, Alabama so he's plus two point three. Games
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  Speaker 4: that's number.
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  Speaker 1: Ten out of all active head.
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  Speaker 4: is number one and forty eight out of two seventy.
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  Speaker 2: because he's won a bunch of games At, texas but
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  Speaker 3: It he beats a bunch of teams city's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 4: You, Know and sark went on a eight year binge
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  Speaker 4: Year we talked ABOUT Pj fleck At, minnesota he was
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: positive six out of the last seven, years you, know
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  Speaker 4: and so and the coach effect for everybody, listening it's
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  Speaker 4: relative to the talent you have versus the talent you're.
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  Speaker 4: Facing that's one of the big big adjustments that we're
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  Speaker 4: trying to. Make it's not just wins and. Losses so
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  Speaker 4: to bor. Overall, now there might be some recency, bias
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  Speaker 4: but take a. LOOK i, Mean alabama was in the
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  Speaker 4: playoff last year and they had one of the if
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  Speaker 4: not the toughest regular season schedule in college. Football but
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: you look At debor his worst, season he was dead
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  Speaker 4: even in coach effect, zero his best is plus, six
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  Speaker 4: and that extrapolates.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah so that was either At presno, yeah Or. WASHINGTON
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  Speaker 2: i don't know how you do plus six At. Washington
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  Speaker 4: Okay Uh so there's a progression value to it. Too,
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• 1:16:33
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  Speaker 4: Right and here's the other thing In greg's decision, paradigm,
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• 1:17:49
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  Speaker 4: coaches you have to bite the bullet and let a
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  Speaker 4: guy run it out for, four, five six, years just
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  Speaker 4: so you don't keep in that cycle of trying to
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  Speaker 4: replace because a lot of times hiring a head coach
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• 1:23:16
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  Speaker 4: Yeah but so his his average was minus one gaming
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  Speaker 4: Right so you're talking about a two win loss difference
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  Speaker 4: yeah so number five Was Will. Muschamp number four a
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  Speaker 4: at eighteen and. Eighteen number Three Mike, loxley your favorite.
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  Speaker 1: AROUND i got. That and here's the. Thing At, maryland
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  Speaker 4: he is unequivocally the worst coach in The Big. Ten
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  Speaker 4: this turd AND i went on air In oregon, saying
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  Speaker 4: this is a turd higher and this guy is terrible
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  Speaker 4: lost their S i mean lost. It and he proceeded
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  Speaker 4: to post a minus point sixty four not, terrible, right
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  Speaker 4: career At oregon and Then Florida state, said, Now Willie,
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  Speaker 2: Age you, know the league decided to go to nine conference,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: games but, right but The College Football playoff did not
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  Speaker 2: expand in time to line up with. That SO i
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  Speaker 2: Don't we have twelve teams, again and we'll see if
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• 1:28:25
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  Speaker 2: ten wants twenty Four i'm actually surprised that The big
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  Speaker 2: i think the calendar gets real weird on twenty four,
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  Speaker 2: teams BUT i guess THEY'LL.
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  Speaker 4: I want it divisible by. EIGHT i want everybody to
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  Speaker 4: have an equal. Schedule no, buys none of that. Stuff you,
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• 1:29:15
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• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: like can we calm down and try, to you, know
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  Speaker 4: let things play out a little bit and see how
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• 1:29:33
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  Speaker 4: Inclusion AND i just DON'T i don't like that path
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  Speaker 4: and four teams. In it's about as fun as WATCHING
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  Speaker 2: bar two was finishing up the worst self Inflicted wound
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  Speaker 2: by teams where they hire a bad coach who's already
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  Speaker 2: proven that he can't, win and.
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  Speaker 4: Then he goes and makes it, work comes to set
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  Speaker 4: the bigger fire at your. Program, Right so we went
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  Speaker 4: through two through.
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  Speaker 2: Six who is the number one worst self inflicted?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: Wound come, on we all, know, right we all know
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  Speaker 4: it's AN sec. Team we knew that going into the,
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  Speaker 4: segment BUT i don't think we realized how bad it.
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  Speaker 4: WAS i didn't even realize until it just spit it
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  Speaker 4: out because they went out and hired a guy that
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  Speaker 4: for his career he was minus point nine to eight,
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  Speaker 4: games minus two games a.
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  Speaker 1: Year and, that, folks that's.
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  Speaker 4: HORRIFIC i, mean that is bottom fifteenth percentile since twenty.
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  Speaker 4: Ten that is a bad coach at minus.
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  Speaker 1: Two games a.
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  Speaker 4: Year Yet arkansas went out and Hired Chad morris, anyways
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  Speaker 4: and he dropped a minus four point.
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  Speaker 2: Eight five a year coach, effect coach, effect losing four
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  Speaker 2: games he shouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: Have, yeah he was four and twenty four and, twenty.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: So he's four and twenty At.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Arkansas yeah, Overall, Okay levy is seven and, eighteen all,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: Right So Chad morris was four and he only Lasted
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  Speaker 4: Seasons but see with the thing is is minus one
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• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: MARYLAND i, mean but it Literally. Arkansas that is the
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  Speaker 4: single biggest self inflicted coaching higher wound in the last sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: Years and it is JUST.
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  Speaker 4: I mean even even WHEN i WHEN i asked about,
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  Speaker 4: IT i, mean it just, says right, Here Chad morris
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  Speaker 4: is the definitive case of how.
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  Speaker 1: You create a self inflicted program wound with. Coaching that's.
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  Speaker 1: It he's a.
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  Speaker 4: Definitive, case you, know and there's just nobody like. Him
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: and thank god it was it Was, arkansas right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay So.
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  Speaker 2: Chad morris is number one worst self inflicted wound wound
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: hire since twenty. Ten twenty. Ten, okay he went four
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  Speaker 2: and twenty At arkansas in two. Years let's see What
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  Speaker 1: He was also with no. Coaching, JEEZ.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the guy couldn't, coach you, know and Now
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  Speaker 4: though as a. Oc, uh he's had some good. Years, Okay,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: okay he's a much much better play caller than he
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  Speaker 4: is a head. Coach, okay he should never be head
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  Speaker 4: coach of, anything not even your.
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  Speaker 1: Pee all, right it's just not. Good, no, no, no
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  Speaker 1: it's just kids just can't be.
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  Speaker 2: Good i've got one, more but with claims that they
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  Speaker 2: haven't solved the defensive problem, either not Since.
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  Speaker 1: Venables really, No.
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  Speaker 4: Actually that's when it fell. Off you look at When venables,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: left the entire program went down a full.
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  Speaker 3: Tier he promoted from. Within yeah you were funny last
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  Speaker 3: night at, dinner.
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  Speaker 4: And dabo is trying To i'm he's trying to justify
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: that the program hasn't slipped because of his record in
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: fourth quarter closing it. Out AND i want to, go
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  Speaker 4: EVERY fbs coach who's leading in the fourth quarter wins
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  Speaker 4: eighty eight percent of the. Time, dude you know you're
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  Speaker 4: giving us the number that everybody. Has where he has
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  Speaker 4: slipped as he has lost control of the football. Game
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't have good offense and defensive, balance his momentum
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  Speaker 4: game control prior to twenty twenty, one when he had
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  Speaker 4: peak momentum in a football game from twenty ten to twenty,
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  Speaker 4: twenty he was one and ten and one. Damn he
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  Speaker 4: generated peak momentum at the level Of saban and k
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  Speaker 4: Two he was absolutely super elite at generating and. Closing
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: but since then it is down about thirty, percent and
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: so he's down a FULL i mean he's he's gone
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  Speaker 4: from dabbo running with the elites to now he is
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: dabbo With sark And Brian kelly and that second tier
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  Speaker 1: Coaches, okay all, right bar.
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  Speaker 4: about making self inflicted wounds right, Right and one of
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  Speaker 4: the first guys that popped up is an ideal self
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  Speaker 4: inflicted wound.
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  Speaker 1: Scenario Scott frost was horrible At. Nebraska, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Okay in, fact the last ten, Years nebraska has the
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  Speaker 4: worst composite coach effect of Any power four. Team the
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  Speaker 4: last ten, Years nebraska has the worst composite coach effect
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  Speaker 4: of any. Team you want to talk about fans that
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  Speaker 4: Talent it is The nebraska cornhouse And Scott frost was
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  Speaker 4: absolutely in the middle of. That YET ucf, said come on,
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  Speaker 4: bottle again in THE, aac even though we're not in
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  Speaker 4: the number one talent in the conference when you were
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  Speaker 4: here to the. Worst so So, frost, right we know
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: he was bad At, nebraska but his time AT ucf
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: is two bad negative coach effect.
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  Speaker 1: Years last year was minus three point three. Two he
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  Speaker 1: was terrible last.
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  Speaker 2: Year so when When Scott frost was there, first they
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: were IN g. Five now they're in The big twelve.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, right and when they're there THE g.
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  Speaker 4: Five this goes back to we talked, about like the,
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  Speaker 4: text say and Compare John David baker To lane and the. Talent,
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  Speaker 4: well AT, ucf you're talking about the program that had
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: the number one talent profile along With cincinnati in that.
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  Speaker 1: Conference guess what they want all the football.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: Games now they're both in the bottom four and talent
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: in their conferences in The big twelve and they're losing
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: all their football.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: Games you, know it kind of goes hand in.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: Hand it's really hard to punch above your talent level.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: Consistently you either have to raise the talent or you
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: have to be a really good head. Coach ideally you do.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: Both we Saw dan raise you, know high tides raise all. Ships,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: Right so we saw the recruiting With dan come, up
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: when totals came, Up lane recruiting It ole miss comes,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: up you, know and right, now arguably they're starting the
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: season a top ten.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: Recruiter So bar two has something called range bound. Recruiting
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: and most teams don't go up or down more than four,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: spots so they are who they are forever and. Ever
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: What bartwo is referencing is When dan walked In Mississippi
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: state was around thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Seventh, thirties, yeah mid high, thirties, right.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: Okay and when he, left they were a composite twenty fifth.
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  Speaker 2: Recruiter that is rare that you break out of that
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: four spots up or. Down dan went ten PLUS i
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  Speaker 2: think it was twelve or maybe even. More but the
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  Speaker 2: bottom line is he moved up recruiting from composite thirty
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  Speaker 2: five to thirty eight to twenty.
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  Speaker 4: Fifth right and then and Then lane took Old mess
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: from the high, teens low, twenties you, know into the
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: low teens and right, now, arguably you, Know Pete golden
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  Speaker 4: should be expected to win ten to eleven games with this.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: Talent, so you, know so composite recruiting where bar? Two
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  Speaker 2: he said this off in our off airshow show just
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  Speaker 2: on YouTube, Yesterday Ole, miss composite recruiting is top ten
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  Speaker 2: if you count the portal and high.
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  Speaker 4: Schoal, yeah when you blend them both and take the
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  Speaker 4: best of the best of all. That, so SO i
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  Speaker 4: THINK i Think lane has raised the bar and then
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  Speaker 4: he coached it. Up dan raised the. Bar then he
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  Speaker 4: at is Is stoops At. Kentucky he raised the bar
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  Speaker 4: of the recruiting is much better at big hockey than it.
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  Speaker 2: Was you said that they were in the high, thirties thirty,
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  Speaker 4: the win loss ratio with the, talent you, know and you,
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  Speaker 4: know so that is that's something you got to look at.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: There so With frost AT, ucf totally different, situation same,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: school but the talent level relative to the schedule has
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: completely been. Offset But frost coming off of his bad
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: career At, nebraska now he's starting off terrible AT. Ucf
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: the system says that is absolutely a hot. Seat now
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 4: the guy nobody's surprised With Dave. Randa David randa has
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: been At baylor for a. While his career coach effect
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: is nearly minus one game a year and he's been
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: there for what four?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Years five? Years when DID lsu win their? Title and he.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: Left nineteen nineteen because he was uh he actually Beat
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: kiffin and The Sugar bowl in twenty by one With
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Matt carrall or something like.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: That.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: Uh kind of crazy that that. Happened, Yeah So randa
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: has been there like six. Years, yeah so he's going
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: on year.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: Seven, Yeah so we were talking about a guy who's
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: averaging one game under Replacement Alca tad coaching for six. Years,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah Baylor usually that Doesn't usually that doesn't mean outside
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: Of rows they've never, won, RIGHT i mean you know
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: it's Like, purdue outside Of Jeff. Brohm, Yeah, yeah they've
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: been got. Awful, yeah and here's what you, Mentioned. Rut
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: here's an interesting. One here's AN sec, one the only
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: only one from THE sec that popped. Up and the
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: reason it popped up is last year he was minus
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: he was almost minus three. Games last year just wasn't
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: good minus two point sixty. Nine, now he revamped the
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: entire offensive, staff brought In Kendall, briles brought In Randy,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: clements But Shane biemer for his entire career.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: Is still negative coach.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: Effect albeit it's minus point one point, seven but that's
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: basically saying he's just been an average coach relative to
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: the schedule and talent for his entirety At South carolina
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: and At South carolina that's not good. Enough and so
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: the system, saying if we get another minus one and a,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: half minus, two minus two and a, half you know
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: the tide's gonna go out too far for, him and
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: that just might be enough to really kick it.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: Over but he's got his Best Mississippi state place At South.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: Carolina week, three they also Catch South carolina And beamer
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: with his best OC dc pairing since he's been there
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: With Kendall brows And Clayton.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: White, yeah he hasn't been able to get THE oc
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: right from from the Get when he Hired Marcus, satusfield
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: that was the first red. Flag is you don't know
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: how to hire offense right?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: There, yeah oh, goodness, grace all, right so that was
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: a hot.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: Seat you haven't fun, yet that Was that was the
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: low end of the hot.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: Seat levees on.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: It but he's. Not he's not on.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: Your computer algorithm of, whatever your.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: Two consecutive years of negative coach, effect, right and but
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: we have positive?
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: Progression where are you dead man? Walking was he dead
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: man walking at minus?
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: Four, no he, Was he wasn't awful close to? It,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: okay dead man walking is is really it's minus. Five
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: and it's also guys that have previous. Experience, okay, right
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: he's a. Rookie those guys get a little bit more
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: of a pass. There but the but the but the
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: four guys on the top of, It, Dion, okay At,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: colorado one of the. Worst his worst year was last.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: Year he can't repeat that. Again he needs to bounce back.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: Bad he's gonna get, fired you.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Know and a couple of, Guys i'm not. Sure i'm
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Not i'm not. Sure there that's. True how we'll see
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: how committed are they?
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: REALLY i, mean they're poking.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: Him. Eight here's your soap or Was colorado? Though here's
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: your soap up With.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: Colorado dion Hired Brendan marion as his offensive. Coordinator Brandon
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: marion was head coach At Sack state last, year ran
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: a really good offense for two years AT. Unov brendan
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: wants to be head coach? Again did who Did Brendan?
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: Mary Brendan?
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: Marion?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah who did he coach under AT? Unlv he had
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: coached at Are Bury otam AT unob and they went
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: nineteen and?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Eight? Yeah is that pretty? Good that he was great
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: and the offense was really.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: Good and Then Sack state hired, him and then he
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: quit Sack state to become the offensive coordinator At. Colorado
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: but we all know that former head coaches want to
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: be head coaches, again, Right so that's a.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: Lion in the. Den two two male lines in the,
• 1:47:40
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• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: Other doesn't, Work, Okay mario a few years, ago.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: Right when he brought In Charlie, STRONG i even told, him,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: dude that is just to let you know if that
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: guy sees that he can't become a head coach, again
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: going to be a, problem, Right and he became a.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: Problem he fired and we got rid of the got
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: rid of that issue.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: Quick and SO.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: I think With colorado you have A Brandon marion that
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: wants to be a head coach.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: Again and If dion's still, weak.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: Could he could he Get dion pushed out and Replaced
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: dion himself as a head.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Coach did he do a good job At Sack? State
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: it is all?
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: Right, okay so you're not you're not sure about this?
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: Guy, YEAH i didn't. KNOW i. DON'T i don't know
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: anything about. THAT i just know the.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: Aspirations, uh and and the and the. Goals the top,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: three no, Surprise. LOCKSLEY i mean he should he shouldn't
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 4: even be.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: There he's.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: Terrible, Uh luke fickle, decline, decline, decline That's.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: Wisconsin.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah BUT i think he's gonna bounce back this. YEAR i.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: DO i do Think wisconsin's gonna bounce back this.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: Year the the tough thing For luke IS i think
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: they just brought into new a D and you AND
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: i both know what happens when new AD's come.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: In they want their man air.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: Quotes i'm gonna go get my, GOD i got to
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: go get my.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: Gay. Gosh that never, works it seems like.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: Uh and then the obvious, One Mike norbel just a
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: massive collapse or massive.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: It feel like it was just a minute.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: Ago he was eleven and, oh going the last game
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: and loses his quarterback and they can't get it going.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: Well and we're talking about a two year.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: Collapse we're looking at minus four point almost five games
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: over over the last two. Years last year was five
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: minus five point sixty. Seven it was it was just
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: wicked for him last. Year so the last two years
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: have actually been.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Really really.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: Bad he has a four year streak of negative coach
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: effect four consecutive.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: Years good.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: Grief and this is after smoking it At, memphis, RIGHT
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: i mean this guy was absolutely so what hammering at
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: His memphis.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: So he Can, right it's.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: Weird and he went undefeated At Florida state one.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: Year, right it's it's it's.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: Weird and so you got a guy that was awesome At,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 4: memphis didn't you?
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: Know he is not doing it At Florida.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: State a couple other, guys, right this is like A
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: Billy napier awesome At louisiana couldn't figure it Out. Florida,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: heck h look at. You he was bloody awesome At,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: liberty and he was really good At Ole Miss, yeah
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: and then AND i thought he was close last.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: YEAR i, mean that was the top fifteen scoring efficiency.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 4: Defense they just couldn't find the, Quarterback they couldn't get
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: anybody to play on the offensive, side and they lost
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: a lot of close games last. Year SO i guess
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: we're going to see how time's gonna tell in terms
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: of pulling the trigger on three years instead.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: Of letting it go to.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: Four but, Clearly Mike, norvel just in the, numbers this
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: guy is on a four consecutive negative coach effects.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: Street So Florida state could open, Up.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Yes will we're gonna bet on that over.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: Under you gotta figure he's not going To he's not
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: going to get a fifth negative coach effect year and.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: Survive SO i don't know where he needs to, be
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: Where Mike norvell needs to be to be positive coach.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: EFFECT i should actually look him up on the. Projections,
• 1:51:01
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  Speaker 1: Mullen Lane kiffin's Is Lincoln.
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  Speaker 3: Riley so we'll see how that looks this.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Year, LINCOLN i, GUESS i Mean southern cal hadn't done anything.
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  Speaker 2: AMAZING i know he finished number one and recruiting last
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  Speaker 2: year in high. School he sounded like thirty five guys or.
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  Speaker 2: coast right, Now oregon is the team out, there.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: But bar two does not Like OREGON'S.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: Oc Will stein Left oregon to be the head coach
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  Speaker 2: At kentucky and Bar two's got their NEW oc ranked
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: dead last in The big. Ten and we'll see What
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  Speaker 1: On do you Hear i'm Still i'm still trying to
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  Speaker 1: stein's quote yesterday?
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  Speaker 4: Meant he?
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  Speaker 3: Is, yeah me, right why are we gonna? Win?
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: Me you know?
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  Speaker 4: Something and he is exactly, Right he is exactly. Right
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: do you know how bad HIS ocdc combination?
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Is how? Bad be worst in THE? Sec? Dude you
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: just Hired Joe.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: Sloan do you see Ls you Loved Joe sloan's offense last?
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Year you see that it was?
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: Awful?
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: Right and and AS dc hasn't had a good defense? Ever, okay, ever, yes,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: Ever so If kentucky, wins, yes it is one on Will,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: Stein but if he goes two and, ten it is
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent on Will stein's coaching staff as, well
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: if he somehow gets that coaching, STAFF i don't. Know four,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: wins five, wins oh my, gosh six? Wins, Yeah coach
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• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: Googling so they.
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  Speaker 3: Had the WORST OC dc pairing in THE.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: Sec, yes, okay all, right.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: So they took THAT i guess from last Year Coleman
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: hutzler And Jeff.
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  Speaker 4: Levy, Coleman, oh he who must not be. Named that
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: was a bad back to back juju, defense right.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: There.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, well the fact that he got brought, well
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: the fact that got hired in the first.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: Place he was a special teams, coach.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: You had a new head coach who hired a special
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: teams coach to be HIS dc and then brought him
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: back for year or. Two but, YEAH i remember you
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: text me on A saturday last year About Joe sloan
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator AT. Lsu he was eventually let go during the.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: Season but, anyway what.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: Was the dude's?
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Name what was the quarterbacks? Name that Not, SMIER smi That. Smyer, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: yeah all, Right josh says on the text. Line but
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: but But Dan mullen couldn't. Recruit he's referencing what we
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: were talking about. Earlier dan moved To Mississippi state's composite
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: recruiting up about ten to twelve.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: Spots, yeah which doesn't.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: Happen nobody moves Teams state and he.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: Moved florida's, yeah, people you, know it's they were trying
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: to find, out you, know people trying to figure what
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: fell off the cliff At. Florida and we'll never, know,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: honestly we'll never. Know AND i think it was. Something to,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: me it was something internal BECAUSE i looked at the.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: Numbers the one THING i found In florida That i've
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: actually started tracking is the fifth week of that, season
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: the fault starts In flora at The gators. Skyrocketed it
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: was like the whole focus was. Lost and so one
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: of the things THAT i have the system do is
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: that tracks fault starts during the season to see when
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: teams start giving. Up so there's two. Things on the.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: Offense the only the only thing that really kind of
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: tells you what's going on is if false starts start going,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: up your team is losing.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: Focus.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: Okay the other, thing here's your big red FLAG sec
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: fans when you're watching, games delay of. Game, okay delay
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: of game is a big. One from the, standpoint it
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: just says you start seeing delay of game, penalties you
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: start seeing timeouts used for delay of game to not
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: to not hit. Them that is saying over the last sixteen.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: Years that is telling you that this offense is not
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: good and is not going to be. Producing, well, okay
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: it is a really big it's a really big red
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: flag when you start getting delay of games and watch
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 4: if your team starts the false start, train if it
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: starts going, two, three, four five six a, game that
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: team has really really lost its focus h and will
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: to try to.
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  Speaker 1: Win, okay.
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