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S1 | E17 Paul Selig - Psychic, Teacher & Author · The Permission Slip

• S1 • E17 Paul Selig === Matt Kosterman: [00:00:00] Alright, we are live on recording. Okay, so hi, this is Matt Costman and welcome back to the Permission Slip. Uh, thanks for joining us. I am here today with uh, Paul Sig, who is a medium, a channel, and an energy healer, and he's coming to us from Maui, Hawaii. Welcome Paul. Paul Selig: Thanks for having me. Matt Kosterman: Thanks for being here. Matt Kosterman: Um, I was trying to think of a, an appropriate analogy and it's a bit like, uh, for me, a a probably a 14-year-old girl meeting te uh, Taylor Swift, uh, and having, having Taylor on her podcast. So, so, so thank you. Um, this is great. Um, for those of you who are just tuning in, this podcast is, uh, so far anyway, this is the, oh, this will be about, I think, the. Matt Kosterman: 18th episode, and it's all, uh, people that I have worked [00:01:00] with and run into in my own healing journey. Um, so I, I discovered, uh, Paul and his work, uh, during COVID. I, um, and I, I like to think of it as a triple crown. I had done plant medicine psychedelics. Myofascial unwinding and I was still pretty stuck. Matt Kosterman: And then I found, uh, the spiritual side of things through Paul and his guides. Um, so thanks. So Paul, why don't you just te tell folks a little bit about your personal story and how you came into this. 'cause I know you didn't, uh, you didn't go to college for this stuff. Paul Selig: No, I didn't. I didn't necessarily, I wasn't a non-believer, but it wasn't anything that I thought I would end up doing. Paul Selig: I think I read. Half of a Seth book when I was a grad student and drunk most of the time. I thought it was really interesting. Yeah, quite interesting actually. But I didn't finish the book, but I think it had an impact on me. Um, I was 25, I was about less than a year out of Yale. I was having this ostensibly hot career that was [00:02:00] blooming quickly. Paul Selig: And, um, a list of things that I thought I had to achieve in the world to make me okay. I got the whole list. I wasn't okay. Yeah, Paul Selig: I was in trouble and I kind of knew it enough and I began praying For the first time in my life I was in a hotel and. St. Paul or Minneapolis and the Gideons leave little Bibles and hotel drawers and I guess the TV didn't work or something, but it's a prayer for people in crisis and I just gave it a shot and three days later I heard a voice telling me to get my act together and what to do. Paul Selig: Yeah. I listened to it and I was Matt Kosterman: a different, a different voice than what was the normal one. Paul Selig: Well it's, you know, when I hear. I, I, I don't know that I would call this channeling at the time, but it was a voice that blocked out a thought, we'll put it, call it a thought. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: That blocked out all other thoughts that had an irrefutable ring of truth. Paul Selig: I just couldn't deny what I [00:03:00] was hearing. And so I, I listened. Yeah. And that really was it. And there are different kinds of Claire audience. I, I understand that some people hear a voice in the room, you know, like, oh, there's somebody behind the dresser. That's not it. It's always been more telepathic and it always comes with a resonance that is unlike. Paul Selig: My own thought, my own vocabulary. And it's a very different texture and clarity that comes with it when I channel. Yeah. Um, but this is the very beginning and I wasn't channeling at that time and nor would I've even thought of myself as particularly psychic. I had an experience a few months after that. Paul Selig: Where I ended up sort of, it was an energetic experience. People said it sounded like a spontaneous kundalini awakening. I, I just may have been hyperventilating. I may never know what it was. Yeah, yeah. Right. Paul Selig: But it was an experience of energy moving through my body and now through the top of my head, and I was on a roof trying to teach myself to meditate. Paul Selig: Right. Then the morning before this thing [00:04:00] called the Harmonic Convergence, I'd been told people were gonna be waking up, and I thought, well, if there is a God or something like a God. And I was beginning to think that there might be, and you asked to be woken up, why would it want to say no? I didn't have a lot of baggage at that time. Yeah. Paul Selig: So I had this experience. I started seeing little lights around people, so I'd felt energy. I was seeing lights around people. I'd heard a voice, you know? So my, my life was getting sort of turned and I was newly sober. Okay. And I was newly sober at. Really the pinnacle or what I, it seemed at the time of the AIDS epidemic, and everybody was dying around me. Paul Selig: I was fresh outta school. I didn't have any money. I was like, I was such a, a mess. It's ridiculous. Yeah, Paul Selig: I, I, it may have been a perfect storm for what I ended up undergoing, which was a real process of coming into something, the psychic [00:05:00] ability that showed up. Showed up in increments. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: I still wouldn't have thought of myself as psychic, but I studied a form of energy healing to get a context for what I was beginning to feel and see. Paul Selig: And I was volunteering at a center, uh, for people that were living with life challenging illness in Manhattan. Um, it's called the Manhattan Center for a living. And I found that when I had my hands on people's bodies, I began to hear things for them. So if I had my hand on your chest, I heard the name Jerome. Paul Selig: I'd say, who's Jerome? And he said, my father, my lover, my kid, my dog. So many, yeah. And all this energy would, it would get confirmed. And I started to feel what was going on in other people's bodies in my own. And so I was developing as a clear sentient and a clear audience. Mm-hmm. Without even really knowing what those things were. Paul Selig: And I started a group that met in my apartment and it met there on and off, mostly on for 18 years. I took a, I took a two year hiatus, [00:06:00] um, and I don't remember when, it was maybe about five years into it, and I went, this is all just too strange. I can't be doing, oh, Matt Kosterman: it was like, it was too much, but people would come and they'd throw 10 bucks in a can. Matt Kosterman: I think you said that was it. Yeah. You read. Paul Selig: I was, I wasn't looking to be known for this work at all. I was teaching, I was a college teacher at that time. I was in the faculty at NYU. In Goddard College in Vermont. I ended up being at NYU for 25 years and, and running the, the Creative Writing program at Goddard for about 18 of those years. Paul Selig: But I wasn't looking to be seen or known. I didn't really think about, there wasn't something called a spiritual market. I mean, when I started doing this, I didn't have the internet, you know? Yeah. It was a very different time, and it wasn't in the zeitgeist of public vocabulary. So I studied a form of energy healing with this old Irish lady who was one of the 13 first 13 reiki masters in the us, although she was doing [00:07:00] her own work when I met her, which was extraordinary in its own way, but it was at a time where these things were sort of under the radar. Yeah, Paul Selig: you had to know somebody. There was no place to advertise. You'd hear and you'd go and, and it wasn't so much that it was underground, it just wasn't, there was not. A lot of information to be had. So this was where I was developing and um, this group went on until I was about when I was 48. I was a heavy smoker. Paul Selig: My psychic stuff kicked in at first when I quit drinking. My guide set out at four, age 48. We'd like to keep working with you, but we can't unless you deal with this. And I ended up quitting smoking the next day. Matt Kosterman: You said you were three or you were three packs a day? I was four packs a day. Four packs a day? Paul Selig: Yeah. Easy. Four packs a day. And I loved every cigarette I ever smoked. I got, I was, I was great. I loved it. It kept me away from everybody. It was just the way I liked it. Got a nice cloud around me all the time. [00:08:00] My neighbors would complain. I was awful, but I loved it. But when I quit. That's when my abilities kicked in in a whole, at a whole other level. Yeah. Paul Selig: That's when they began to lecture through me and shortly thereafter they began dictating books. The moment I became willing to record and transcribe the, the recordings. Um, and after a couple of months of my doing that, they said, we have a book to write and if you take two weeks, we'll do it. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Paul Selig: And they've now delivered Matt Kosterman: this is. 14 coming. Right. 13 Paul Selig: is coming out. I think this is book 13 coming out now. Okay. And book 14 was dictated last summer. Yeah. So that hopefully will be out next year, but there's a book coming out next month. It was delivered summer before last. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. I was in, I was in Boone for the final, for the, for the closing of that. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. That book is great. Yeah. Paul Selig: Yeah. Yeah. I, I'm really, I'm doing the audio book right now of the book that's coming out next. Pretty astonished by it. It's a really good book. This is like, so, you know, I have a friend that [00:09:00] says, I know it's not you, because the book's so much smarter than you'll ever read. Paul Selig: So, so it, Matt Kosterman: so initially, but, so initially it was, you were reading for others and, and this was, and then, and then they, when you stopped smoking, they began lecturing or, or, or No, I wasn't reading Paul Selig: for others. I wasn't doing psychic work in those days. And, and once in a while somebody would say, can I come and talk to your guides? Paul Selig: All of my abilities kicked in at 48. Okay. Hopefully I'm, I'm still developing. Sure. Really. But when I was hearing Claire ly or channeling, I was much more interested in the energy that was coming through, and I work on the information. Um, I was, somebody called me a healing medium and my training was as a healer, so I was serving as a conduit for this energy. Paul Selig: Mm-hmm. And these guides were bringing through these things that they called attunements to support people and aligning to the energy. But there was very, very little context. It was just instructions. [00:10:00] It was like receiving coordinates on map. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Paul Selig: Like, go, you know, go to Highway 41 and you know, exit 12. Paul Selig: Yeah. And something's gonna happen. It was a little like that in a strange way. Matt Kosterman: Oh, interesting. Paul Selig: And, um, but we could feel the energy. And I was interested in the energy. I was not interested in the, what was coming out of my mouth because it was like, who the hell am I, you know, I, I, you know, the energy was irrefutable because we could all feel it. Yeah. And that was, yeah, because I did Paul Selig: the group, because I got to feel the energy and it proved the whole thing out. And I was always a bit of a skeptic, but this I couldn't get past. So, you know, now there's all these books and I quit my academic jobs. It's about 10 years ago exactly, I think. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Paul Selig: Academia, and began to do this work full time. I was doing it, you know, I was traveling with it before I quit academia. And it was time. It was time to say, okay, I'll see if this can be my life. It's hard when you're in your [00:11:00] fifties to walk away. From work that you've had forever and benefits in retirement. Paul Selig: But I, I felt called to and I did and I'm glad I did. Matt Kosterman: And initially you didn't even want anybody to know at like what you did. It was all sort of underground. Paul Selig: I got a website. Yeah, I got a website. Um, I think before the first book was dictated because I'd begun doing readings and I was in demand to do readings. Paul Selig: And I, the, the website did not have my name or my photograph on it. You had to have somebody to get the link. Okay. And I only got the website initially to be able to process credit card payments, you know, for people that were out, out of New York City. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Paul Selig: Um, that was it. I wasn't, again, and when I, when I got my photograph up there and my name up there, I was a little shaken by and it was like, I don't know, but I want to be known. Paul Selig: Mm-hmm. And some of it was just fear and I was trying to preserve. My academic life at NYUI didn't talk about it. All the kids all found out the moment I was, the book started to come, [00:12:00] they were all Googling me and surprised that I wasn't talking about it, but I kept it pretty separate. Goddard, which was an old hippie school in Vermont, knew that I'd do this. Paul Selig: My boss, when I started there, when she found out I was doing energy healing groups. Before it was channeling or thought was channeling, she said, why aren't you doing this here? And I said, are you out of your mind? She said, no, no, no. This is Goddard College. You don't leave any parts of yourself behind. It was extraordinary. Paul Selig: And I credit that time at Goddard, which is sadly closed. They closed their doors about a year ago, um, for giving me in some ways. Permission to step out of my comfort zone. It was Goddard and it was the Essel Institute, which is where I first channeled publicly before some scientists and scholars and, you know, writers, um, was really outside of my, my apartment in Goddard College. Paul Selig: The only, the first place I'd channeled publicly. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Paul Selig: And I had just completed the manuscript [00:13:00] for, I'm awarded, it'd just been typed. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Paul Selig: And copied the Kinko's the night before I went there, pretty much, and I brought it with me in my suitcase, and the editor from uh, Archer Penguin happened to be there, took the manuscript back with him on a plane, and it was on the shelves 10 months later in bookstores. Paul Selig: It was never even submitted. So the books have had their own life, and I'm grateful for that. This work has had its own life. I haven't, my job has been to show up and that's what I do. I was not. Extraordinarily ambitious about this. Yeah. But I can show up where I'm asked and I get asked a lot, so I just kept showing up. Paul Selig: Yeah. It's, it's still, I do this so that I can sit in the energy and be part of the phenomenon, which I may never understand. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And what's, what's been your personal just healing journey through it? So you gave up drinking initially and smoking and drinking. Paul Selig: Smoking. I mean, I don't know. I, you know, everything's changed. Paul Selig: There is, there are places that stick. Hmm. I'm living a very, very, very different life than I [00:14:00] would ever have imagined that, and you can put it that way. I'm, you know, a hundred pounds lighter than I was, or maybe 80 pounds. I, I put it back on 20. Um, I am a much better friend. I am less self-centered than I was. Paul Selig: Mm-hmm. I don't feel, I have to say this though, you know, I, I don't consider myself enlightened. Mm-hmm. That's, I don't, I'm not a guru. I have no real aspirations. I want to, you know, live the life that I have left, hopefully in a peaceful way, but that doesn't mean that I still don't bump up against my stuff, and I do. Yeah. Paul Selig: And I see it now though, as opportunity, not punishment or not, why isn't it working out for me? I see. Well, here's another layer. That's ready to move. So, you know, it's, it's almost too vast a question. I, I, I think I lived in a [00:15:00] kind of, I'm not saying depression, but you know, I had been a talented writer when I was young. Paul Selig: I was quite talented. Then I, when I stopped drinking, I couldn't write. I just thought I couldn't write. And mostly that was my experience. It was devastating for me. Matt Kosterman: You were stuck with the writing. Paul Selig: I was stuck and I was ashamed. I felt terribly ashamed that I hadn't lived up to this great potential that I thought that I had or somebody said I had, or you know, and I used that and I was sharing a Master's in writing program teaching it. Paul Selig: And it's not that I wasn't writing, I was, but mostly on as a gun for hire, you know, admissions, I do, you know, rewrites of. Broadway bound shows that needed work, things like that, you know? But my own work, I didn't know. I was horrified by the prospect of doing it. And the irony that all of these books have come through me. Paul Selig: Mm-hmm. Spoken, not written, spoken. That don't require any editing at all. Matt Kosterman: Nothing. Nothing. Yeah. A little tiny Paul Selig: little [00:16:00] three words to know about in a manuscript maybe that I mispronounce would be average, I think. Yeah. Paul Selig: Um, and now maybe in the beginning it was more, I used to type the initial manuscripts and I'm so glad I don't now because I was, I'm sure I was not, and I worked very, very hard to be concise, but I got so tired of hearing my own voice. Paul Selig: I can't tell you now. I don't even read the books until I do the audio books. Okay. This time I read the book is when I sit down Matt Kosterman: to record, to, to record the audio book Paul Selig: just too much for me. Um, so anyway, the, there's a great irony there that I have been. So extraordinarily prolific as a stenographer for these guide, and my name is on the cover, but I didn't write the book. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Paul Selig: So when people say, I love your books, I mean, I suppose it's a little bit more like being a surrogate parent, you know, it's come through me, but I carried it. I, I feel like a collaborator, and then my vocabulary is used. I interrupt. I have questions that guys take the [00:17:00] questions Matt Kosterman: sometimes, Paul Selig: most of the time they repeat the questions. Paul Selig: Sometimes they shut me up and I actually like it when they shut me up because it reminds me that they're in charge and that's what I prefer. Yeah. Paul Selig: So, you know, that's it. But now I'm doing my own writing again, so this is a full circle thing. Okay. You know, that's part of me is being reclaimed or we'll see if it continues. Paul Selig: But that has been your experience in the last year or so. Matt Kosterman: Well, I mean, I wonder ultimately, when. W we as humans are creating something. There's, I, I guess I have a question of who's really doing the creating, right? Like it's, it's, it's all I, I know I've gotten into the flow on, on things before, and I don't feel like I'm doing it. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's, it's, it's being done well, that's inspiration. Paul Selig: You know, I, I use the term channeling in a very specific way, and other people are far more embracing to anything that can sort of be folded under the umbrella of inspiration. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: The difference, I suspect, is that because I like it to, when I'm inspired as a [00:18:00] writer, I love it. Paul Selig: It's like channeling in a lot of ways. Yeah. I mean, it flows. It's exciting. However, I still have to go back and craft it. Matt Kosterman: Okay, got Paul Selig: it. I still, there's still my work to be done as a craftsperson. When I channel, I don't get, I don't know the, the cha, I don't know the title of the chapter. The last book, I didn't know the title of the book until halfway through. Paul Selig: I was going crazy. Oh yeah, yeah. I finally said, well, you can call it this, this, or this. We would like this. And we'll see now what the publisher wants to say about it. You know, I don't know about that. Matt Kosterman: Sure, sure. No, that's a great point that you, you, you're then crafting it. You're, yeah. But in this case, it's just straight no editing. Matt Kosterman: Boom. Here you go. No, Paul Selig: straight. It's my thing. I've met people that say, oh, I hired an editor to work on my channel book, and my first impulse is to say it's not your book. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: It's not your book to do that with. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Paul Selig: But. You know, I don't knock inspiration. It's the best, you know, channeling is distinct and I, when people say they want to be a channel, I kind of go, [00:19:00] why? Paul Selig: You know, it's, it's not really ever gotten me a date that I can remember. Um, it's an odd thing. It is a little bit like being a radio. Mm-hmm. And the radio is not the broadcast. The radio carries the broadcast. Sure. And you know, if you want to think of the court's stenographer who sits there before the judge and just types away, they become somewhat invisible. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Paul Selig: And I'm more visible than I was when I was first working. I would say, hello, my name is Paul, and that was it. That was it. And the guys would come through and at the end I would say, thank you, nice to meet you, goodbye. And be out the door. Because I was shy and nervous. And this is also strange and I'm far more present now, and I enjoy that. Paul Selig: Just like I enjoyed. Being in a classroom at NYU in front of my, my college kids. I love them dearly. I had, I had a great 25 years. I enjoyed that work. Tremendously. Yeah. And I enjoyed this work too, but in a very different way. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yeah. And I've just noticed in the five years that you have [00:20:00] become more open and Yeah. Matt Kosterman: You know, uh, I'm happier. Happier in front of the group. Yeah, it's really true. Yeah. Really true. It's a thing. And who, who are the, so the guides, they call themselves Ilsa Deck. Paul Selig: EK is the next given. You know, I had a mentor early on who said, this is who I was channeling, and I broke with her and I used to hate that she told me that. Paul Selig: Mm. The first thing that I heard was the priest. Okay. And then I think I heard the high priest and ek, you know, historically was the high priest of Jerusalem. So there's some, you know, balance. I call 'em the guides because my ex, from 25 years ago, whenever it was. When he found out I could do this, would say, ask the guys this. Paul Selig: Ask the guys that. So it was easy and I liked it because it was simple and it didn't carry baggage. Yeah. The weight. The weight and the ego. And you know, when I hear I am the channel for Metatron, I am the channel. You know, the be the eye is what becomes important. And I don't [00:21:00] think that's what channeling is about. Paul Selig: Yeah. Personally. But that's just my thing and I don't want to discredit or discount anybody else because I think that stage of it being special and feeling special is probably something that we all go through. I had to get over that in order to do the work. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Be present for the, be present. It's interesting, I had, I had to get over a lot of cynicism as I was reading, you know, I am the Word and I'm, I'm looking and I'm, I'm on your live streams and I'm going off. Matt Kosterman: How many people's he got on there always charging money for this and, you know Sure. And always written these books. And, and, and then I just, you know, I, I, I had to, there was literally a conscious effort. I said, you know what Sterman? I said, what you've been doing ain't working. Mm-hmm. So why don't you just test out not being cynical about it? Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. And just test it out and everything changed. Paul Selig: Well, that's nice to hear. And I'm, I'm glad that happened for you. You know, I, I don't know that I'm cynical. I can be skeptical. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: Still. I may never understand what it is that I do and how it [00:22:00] happens. I just, I wish I did. I don't, and I maybe I don't want to. Paul Selig: Maybe it's perfect the way it is right now. Yeah. Paul Selig: You know, I don't think about being a channel when I'm feeding the dogs or the cats. You know, I'm, you're Paul other. Yeah. You know I am. Yeah. But when I work, I'm in that alignment and I am, the radio that I am is tuned to a very specific station. Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: When I'm channeling, it's the guides that I'm tuning into When I work psychically, the person I'm reading. Is the station that I'm tuned into, which is a different skillset. Different skillset, and I go back and forth between the two. Um, often and I do, when I work with people individually or in my workshops when people ask personal questions. Paul Selig: The guides, I don't think that I work with care so much. If we get the promotion at work or. The marriage lasts or what people are asking about, but they may care about how we treat ourselves and other people. Mm-hmm. And give us instruction about growth and where it's in our own [00:23:00] way. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And so, you know, to, to that end, what is, you know, what, what is the, their message about what, what's the biggest problem that humanity's facing? Matt Kosterman: What are we going through right now? 'cause clearly this is, you know, different times. Paul Selig: Yeah. Well, they've said, you know, the only real problem humanity faces is the denial of the divine. That's it. You know, and, and that plays itself out as separation. Mm-hmm. The separation between ourselves and source, and our separation between ourselves and our neighbors, and the need for separation as it plays out in terms of. Matt Kosterman: You know, Paul Selig: politics and borders and all of these things. I mean, we are, this is our creation. We're responsible for this stuff. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Paul Selig: The guide said in the very first book, which was called, I'm the Word, which was channeled in 2000 and. Nine. Nine. Yeah. Published in two 10, they said, you know, humanity is at a time of reckoning. Paul Selig: And a reckoning is a facing of the self in all of one's creations and meant personally and [00:24:00] collectively. Mm-hmm. And everything that's been created in fear is going to need to be recreated or reone in a higher way. Mm-hmm. And in some ways that has always been the teaching. Mm-hmm. Of how to move through this and how to. Paul Selig: How do they, they, they talk about octaves and they say, you know, reality as we know it is an octave of vibration, but it's highs and lows. They don't talk so much about good and evil, but they do talk about high and low ends of scale. Yeah. Evil, the intention to do harm, and they talk about how anything that is played in the low octa can be transposed musically, tonally to be played in the higher octave. Paul Selig: And that when we do that, things change. Yeah. And the work that they do with their students is that work of transpositions energetically and you know, and that they say that energetic shift claims itself as manifest as the world we experience ourselves in. Matt Kosterman: Just like a Paul Selig: so much the [00:25:00] teaching of what? I'm sorry. Paul Selig: I was Matt Kosterman: gonna like a G note. I mean, how many G notes you have on a piano, kind of like that. Yeah, yeah. Paul Selig: It's kind of like that. So I can accept it as such. They seem to know what they're talking about. God knows they're consistent. I know I heard this, maybe it was at the Rich Bone Retreat last summer, the one you were at. Paul Selig: I think somebody said that they had put all of the books into chat, GBT. Okay. And asked what inconsistencies were, and there were none, which I thought was kind of amazing. And, you know, 13 books that had, well, 12 at the time, that hadn't been, you know, been written, you know. Oh, fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. Paul Selig: And maybe, I hope so. Paul Selig: You know, I, I don't. Hear that, I hear them making certain concepts more accessible in different ways. Uhhuh, once they find out how we're receptive to them, how it's linked, and how they altered language to make it. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: They also talked, they, they talked in Boone about ai, about it, artificial intelligence. Matt Kosterman: I thought that was very, very interesting to not make it a, a [00:26:00] totem, a, a God. Yeah. Paul Selig: Yeah, they've talked about it a little bit. I mean, it's most things about science. It's just, you know, it may be like I, you know, I've never read physics, you know, I, I'm told by physicists who looked at the work, and this is all quantum physics, is what they're describing when they talk about entrainment and vibrational accord and all those things, fine if it is, mm-hmm. Paul Selig: I just don't have the vocabulary for that. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: So, occasionally I'll be surprised when people ask a question. About something scientific and they're willing to answer it. Um, my resistance to answering that perhaps is my own. Matt Kosterman: Sure. Paul Selig: But, um, you know, they, they decide for themselves what they want to talk about. Paul Selig: That's not really up to me. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And the, the fear, I would say, it seems that it expresses often as judgment. I mean, judgment is a, is a, we're, we're, we're, we're putting ourselves, making ourselves, God. Mm-hmm. Essentially, right when we're, [00:27:00] when we're judging another, yeah. Paul Selig: They say what you judge, you fear, they say self-righteousness, which I guess you could look at as judgment is always the small self. Paul Selig: Small self meaning personality structure. They're not denigrating the personality. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: But it's not the part of you that is higher and more developed and knows realize is truth. You know, we tend, we live in a time where people are saying, my truth is, my truth is my, that's fine. But the guys have been known to say is, you know, truth is truth. Paul Selig: It's actually, whatever's true is always true. Your opinions change. Yeah. You know, it was true from men, everybody at a period of time that the world was flat, we all bought into that. Or that you, I mean, a human being couldn't fly in the air. We're past that. You're right. Paul Selig: Right. So, you know what is true is always true. Paul Selig: And what they're saying is always true is the aspect of each of us that is in, already, already, already in union with source, knows itself as an [00:28:00] as of source. Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: And Paul Selig: that's the aspect of us that lives in the next octave up. And that is what they are lifting us to realize in their, in their instruction. Matt Kosterman: To, to exist as that octave in this, in this plane of existence in this, yeah. That's how I understand it. Yeah. The other powerful teaching for me was, uh, what You damn or Who You damn damned you back? Because I had mm-hmm. Been estranged from my family for years and, you know, basically thought they were ruining my life, that my parents, you know, kind of birthed me so they could ruin my life. Matt Kosterman: That was my point of view. And, uh, letting go of that. It's a good teaching. Paul Selig: Yeah. It's a good teaching. What, who they say, who you put in darkness calls you to that darkness or what your damn dams. Your back. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And Paul Selig: that's really a teaching of vibrational accord. That doesn't mean that you have to approve of somebody's, you know, behavior or what they have done, you know? Paul Selig: Mm-hmm. You don't have to, you're not sanctioning it, but you are understanding. It was in, it was in the [00:29:00] Book of Mastery, which was I think the third book they wrote. And they said, um, or maybe no, maybe it was like the fourth or something. They said, imagine you're walking up a mountain and there's a cave and you walk into the cave and in that cave is the one person you never wanna see again for as long as you live. Paul Selig: And your job is to escort that person out of the cave. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: And you do that because they called you to the darkness. And now you have to tell you let them out. You're freeing yourself and you're letting them be themselves. You're no longer damning them and consequently working at that level of vibrational accord. Paul Selig: Yeah. So they say, you know, the new ages and people like to think about manifestation is getting something. How am I gonna manifest this man? You know? And what I think we all miss. Is that our lives, everything we see around us personally and collectively, we are in vibrational accord with. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: It's not just what you want. Paul Selig: That's, that's one way to look at it. But it's a [00:30:00] very, very small window. So whatever I am in accord with, and they say A-C-C-O-R-D or A-C-H-O-R-D is on a piano in co resonance with is my reality. Mm-hmm. And when we lift higher, or we unburden ourselves of the things that entrench us and bind us and claim us again and again and again to the lower, we begin to have a different experience. Paul Selig: And then everything is altered. You know, the guides talk about, one of their claims is, behold, I make all things new, which they say is the divine self claiming itself in manifestation Matt Kosterman: because we're manifesting all the time. I mean, we're constantly, all the time manifesting isn't, like you said, just I want a new car. Matt Kosterman: It's every, every instant you're manifesting. This reality. Exactly right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I know I asked them a question at one of the, one of the workshops, I think in Berkeley. I said, you know, because they're describing that we're moving to this higher level, this, this [00:31:00] higher res, higher octave. I said, this sounds a lot like what the Renaissance was. Matt Kosterman: However many my history's bad mm-hmm. A hundred years ago. And they, they said yes, very much so that it's a gonna be a new way of, of experiencing ourselves. Paul Selig: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: Um, and that has been consistent as in the teachings? Paul Selig: I think so. You know, I, it's funny, I went to Florence for the first time last summer with a friend. Paul Selig: 'cause I was touring in Europe and I had a few days off. I'd never been there. But the only, I don't do a lot of past life stuff at all. But, but one of, one of the only life I know details about was at that time, you know, and it was quite a, oh, was it? Matt Kosterman: Okay. Paul Selig: Yeah, it was a bit of a trip. Well, I was on news code when I was in my early thirties, maybe 32, 33, and I was doing a lot of, a lot of clearing at that time and a lot of meditating, a lot of energy work was very devoted, and I was summoned to jury duty and I was so proud to be called [00:32:00] to jury duty. Paul Selig: I thought, oh, and I as a, the moment I walked into the court, I was falling apart. I was a train wreck. And I'd go home saying, you know, I'm not the one on trial. What is this about? Matt Kosterman: Mm Paul Selig: mm I started hearing a name and then I heard, look it up. Matt Kosterman: Okay. I Paul Selig: found there was, this is pre-internet, so I couldn't just do it in a second. Paul Selig: I actually had an old occult encyclopedia in my house. It was the only thing to look something up. And I found the name and it was a writer from that time who'd been before the Inquisition. And I went, okay, well that makes some sense. And then years later, and I had a dream, which I didn't even relate to that. Paul Selig: Of these two guys getting arrested and. You know, in a pa, like by palace guards kind of thing, and the guy while these men with armor, and it was a guy with a great big hood and a big nose, a monk, and this sort of dandy guy with a big collar, which in retrospect, I didn't know this until last year. It was like he looked like he was dressed for the Inquisition himself. Paul Selig: But anyway, I, I got on the internet [00:33:00] eventually I looked up the name and yeah, Paul Selig: there was everybody's picture from that dream. And I went, whoa, here we go. Yeah. Whoa, whoa. Really? From you? So that's my renaissance story, and I'll leave it at that. Yeah. But it was really interesting because I got to see where that person was buried. Paul Selig: Oh. You know? Matt Kosterman: Oh, cool. Paul Selig: Very cool. Kind. Remarkable for me. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Well, my, 'cause my understanding is basically every. Thing that has ever happened is recorded in the quantum field, in the Akashic. It's all, it's all out there. So you actually had to sit, you were called to sit on the jury. It wasn't just waiting around all day to find out that you weren't there or you were Paul Selig: I was on, it was during voir dire when I was being. Paul Selig: That's when I began to melt down. Yeah. And then I was called on the jury, which was horrifying to me. And it was a stupid, stupid civil case. Some guy seemed to be faking. It was like he with a bad back trying to get insurance, but people were seeing him. Yeah. Ing and you know, jumping up and down in the trampoline and you know, I actually had to go teach in Vermont at Goddard, so I didn't stay for the end of the trial and [00:34:00] I was never happier to get off of that. Paul Selig: And now when I get called, it's been a few years, I don't want to curse it 'cause I've not been called in the state of Hawaii where I live. But in New York, when they would say, what do you do for a living? I'd say, well, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, a teacher and a psychic. Out the door. Out the door, you have to put up with everybody in the room laughing at you. Paul Selig: Right. But you get out a hundred people, a hundred people laughing at you in court, but you're out. Matt Kosterman: But you're out. You're out. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Um, I had a question about the, the guides, the, the instruction. Is about pre has been about presence and being right. Mm-hmm. And not doing so, so much about presence and being and, and I know early on when I started the work, found the work and I would, would do the attunements daily and I would do them as I walked. Matt Kosterman: And so there was a doingness that has led to a beingness, I guess I would say. Paul Selig: It's not, it's not an, it is not, I won't say it's a passive teaching. Right. Paul Selig: We have choice and we're invited to [00:35:00] act. When you're operating from your knowing and you know that it's time to go pick out the garbage or you know that it's time to end the relationship. Paul Selig: When you're in your knowing, those are actions that are taken. Um, they talk about presence in being as moving to a level of alignment or energetic accord where you are in, in a kind of flow. But that doesn't mean you won't be called to act. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: You know, I rent for people over the years and they say things like, well, I'm about to be evicted from my house. Paul Selig: I haven't paid the rent in two months, but I know Spirit is going to take care of me. And I say, you know, I'm not cheap. These readings are expensive and I'm giving you your money back. Please put it towards your rent. Yeah, yeah. That's your priority. You know, I really, you know, if I don't take out the garbage, it's gonna start stinking in here, you know? Paul Selig: I've got a new dog at my house. I'm having to train her to Matt Kosterman: Yeah, I saw that. [00:36:00] Yeah. Paul Selig: But it was raining really hard. I live in the rainforest. It was raining really hard last night. She was not gonna go out. Uh, I'm like, okay, we have another hurdle, but it's my job to do this with her. Right. You know? I don't think she's gonna figure it out entirely on her own. Paul Selig: Although she's pretty smart, so Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Spirit's not gonna do it. Do it for her. My job. Your job. Right. And it's, I think there's another teaching around like. Discernment and crossing the street, and you don't just, you don't just walk, you know, you don't just walk across the street thinking that you're gonna be taken care of. Paul Selig: Well, when I, I, I used the crossing the street example myself about choice, and people say, well, your guides, you know, tell you what to do. And for the most part, my experience has been, if I ask, I might get support in the moment. Like if I want to walk into traffic. Mm-hmm. I have free will and I can do that. Paul Selig: If I say, is this a good time to cross the street? [00:37:00] I might hear, not wise. Yeah. Which Paul Selig: means you can do it, but you're not gonna like the ramifications of the choice. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: When I'm counseled at this level in my daily life, it is generally in the moment. Okay. I don't say, is this a good time to. You know, or where am I gonna be in five years? Paul Selig: Tell me. I just, that's just not how, how I roll anymore. Yeah. Paul Selig: And how this has ever been. I think they told me early before any of the books came when I was the most blocked and miserable about writing. I think I, I, I was meditating and I said, and I'm not a good meditator, but I remember asking, am I ever gonna write a book? Paul Selig: And I heard some astonishingly high number. Oh, Paul Selig: like, like 24 something. Like 1824. Yeah. Paul Selig: I was like, what? Because I was already probably, you know, pushing 50 or something. I was like, well, there's have time to do that. Yeah, it was crazy. Right? Matt Kosterman: And I can't even pay. I did get it. [00:38:00] Paul Selig: I didn't get it, and I found automatic writing from that period as well. Paul Selig: Years later, I was shocked and it said, I'm writing a book that requires no editing. And you know, that will be widely read. It was like, what? Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: But I didn't buy it. I had a buddy when, from my old Godard days, a very good psychic named Sila Satterstrom, who, um, was all writer novelist and. Uh, a root work. Paul Selig: She came from a, a historic, a family of root workers in the south and was good with divination. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: And we were trading readings at, at an academic residency. And I just wanted to know I ever gonna have a relationship and my job's secure. Yeah. Yeah. Paul Selig: I cared about, and she's going, there's a book. There's a book. Paul Selig: Everybody's so excited. It's all about the Christ. Everybody's a southern woman. Everybody's so excited about this book. You're writing a book. I thought she was out of her mind. Sure. Right. But it was maybe within a month that they were dictating. I [00:39:00] know that started, she nailed it. Yeah. Wow. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, so that, and so great, great transition. Matt Kosterman: So the Christ, the, the, the guides talk about the Christ itself. And I had, I had trouble getting, first, I had just the God thing. I wasn't raised particularly religious, but I had to get over that sort of aversion and then tell, talk about this, this Christ itself that the, the guides talk about what's. Paul Selig: They talk about the Christ as principle as a a, a principle. Paul Selig: The divine spark, the God within is the Christ that can be realized in form. Mm-hmm. Saying it has been done. So people tend to say that Christ is or was a person, but the living divine spark, they say is in everybody and is seeking its awakening. Now, I first, I was raised pretty much an atheist. My father was a German Jew who. Paul Selig: You know, survived the Holocaust. He was in the Kinder Transport. My mom. Which I didn't know till the very end of her [00:40:00] life was a real, when she was little, was a praying marriage. She carried a Bible to school. She was, I had no idea about this. And when she was 18 and her, the, the people that were living, she was living with her parents had abandoned her and she was living with two maiden aunts who died. Paul Selig: She was then sent to live with her minister who raped her on her 18th birthday. Oh. You know, there was no religion in my household. No, Paul Selig: believe me. Everybody was so traumatized, I think, by what they had been through. And on one level, I think I was always hungry for a spiritual life, but I would not have been able to name it. Paul Selig: Yeah. And I thought that God was for stupid people and you know. I didn't really, I just, I, it was, it was just not on the menu for what was available to me as I grew up. That's not to say that there wasn't a hunger, but when I was newly sober, um. My old therapist, hurricane Harriet, Harriet Warfield, she was great. Paul Selig: She was a tough [00:41:00] old, broad, she smoked one 20 cigarettes, bleach blonde hair. I, I really loved her. Yeah, she was really good to me. And she slid this book across her desk and said, get spiritual, the ones who make it get spiritual. And there was an old Emmett Fox book called The Sermon on the Mount, which is the first time I was introduced to that principle. Paul Selig: And it's very much in alignment with the guides, although they've now done 14 whole books where they really talk about it. But I had an experience with that book. Matt Kosterman: Mm. Physical, visceral. It was a, Paul Selig: yeah, at that time I did. It was a. You know, an opening of the heart center. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: And this was right before, I think I studied energy healing around the, a lot of these things were happening at once. Paul Selig: It was a real critical mass for me. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: The time between 25 and 30. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: I was opening up, and it's not to say the thing, I think because things were very bad. I was very poor. I was my [00:42:00] head and my brain would not shut up with the worry. I, you know, I think I was self-medicating probably from, you know, PTSD or OCD or something. Paul Selig: I didn't know. But anyway, um, I was introduced to the concept then, and then the guides really have instructed me in it in a lot of different ways. Does that mean I'm walking around in it all the day? I don't know. You know, the first experience I had with it. Was when I was about 29, and it came at a time when I had been really, really, really stuck and feeling very unhappy and like it wasn't gonna change, and nobody was giving me any guarantees anymore, Harriet, nobody was, nobody knew what to do with me. Paul Selig: I go, here, I go, I'm just too screwed up for any of this to work. Mm-hmm. And, um, people used to publish little prayers in the back page of the Old Village Voice newspaper, and people would put their answered prayers down and somebody had published this thing and said, save this prayer for three [00:43:00] days and it will be answered. Paul Selig: And I thought, well, nobody else has given me any guarantees. So I did it and on the fourth day, I woke up, my mind was blown. Everything was different really. That I had been in, was gone. And I was, well, I had so little money at that point. I mean, you know, I was on the subway, so I must have had enough money to get on the subway. Paul Selig: But I remember being on the train and knowing full on, clear cognizance, knowing that I was right where I was supposed to be. Mm-hmm. And I also knew, which was the more astonishing thing was that so was everybody else, regardless of what it looked like. It was an experience I would say, of Christ consciousness if you want call it something. Paul Selig: And this burning in the heart. Flame in the heart, which was shocking to me. No, there's nothing like it. If I could live [00:44:00] in that energy all day long, I would. I wish I knew How fully, Matt Kosterman: I mean, is this, is this the upper room that they describe or do you think beyond? I think it Paul Selig: probably is. Was the upper room in some ways or an experience? Paul Selig: I think it was. The upper room where they say is the next octave of vibration. They say what does not exist in the upper room is fear. Mm-hmm. The energy of fear does not play itself out there. Mm-hmm. And there was no fear at that time, but I was having experiencing of union, which is really the book that they just, it's coming out next. Paul Selig: It's about divine union. It was a real experience of union in a way that I never had, and I don't know that I've had it quite as palpably since. But I was also coming from a place of feeling like I had an elephant stepping on me. And the, the sense of relief of being without that was also just so liberating. Paul Selig: And it lasted for three days, and then when it ended, I felt terribly, terribly. Despairing. I bet. Paul Selig: I thought, I thought I'd arrived. I [00:45:00] thought this was it. Yeah. Paul Selig: Maybe it was, you know, but I think now, and what the guides have said was, well, I had a nice preview of what was to come. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: And now I operate in a very different way. Paul Selig: I, it is possible that if I experienced myself now as I was from a, the perspective of a 29-year-old, I might be having that same experience. You know Sure. As you've gra, as Matt Kosterman: you've gradually, 'cause it was just like this, it was this jump. Paul Selig: It was a jump Matt Kosterman: mu much like Paul Selig: everything else has been in gradation. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Much like, I think my experience has been with psychedelic work, it's that you get, you get that jump, you get that, yeah. Here's what you can feel like in a body now. Now go figure it out in, in your daily life. Integrate. Yeah. Integrate, integrate Paul Selig: it. Absolutely. Yes. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yeah. Um. And so I, yeah, I like, I mean, that's one catalyst. Matt Kosterman: Doing, doing the prayer sounds like a a, a a, maybe a me at the time, word today. But it was great. It was great. Yeah. Um, [00:46:00] talk, you talked a little bit about, we were talking earlier about, you know, people who talk about discernment, how to ascertain, you know, somebody authe who's authentically channeling. What would you have advice for people on, on that? Matt Kosterman: Is that anything? Paul Selig: You know, I, you know, I, I occasionally, 'cause I don't, I really, I actually don't follow other channels. Mm. I really don't. And that's not to say that I think it's not interesting, but I don't want what I do to be colored. Mm-hmm. Because occasionally I'll hear all the zeitgeists, you know. I, I, but, but occasionally people show up in my YouTube feed. Paul Selig: Okay. And I heard somebody saying, mother Gaia is telling me that the Earth is essentially blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was a lot of jargon. Matt Kosterman: Mm. Paul Selig: And it all was like the jargon of the, the new age. I mean, divine, feminine, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever's up, Matt Kosterman: Uhhuh. And, Paul Selig: um, I have to say. I have, I think at this point, a [00:47:00] fairly good bull good built in bullshit detector around all this kind of stuff. Paul Selig: And that's not to say that there are an extraordinarily gifted people working. I'm sure there are. And I've heard bits of some of it go, wow, that's real deal. Yeah. I once watched a, a film of Jane Roberts channeling the old, she channeled the set books. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I saw her work and I was like, yep, that's what it feels like. Paul Selig: That's it. That's what it feels like. Matt Kosterman: That's it. Yeah. I just started that book last night. Yeah. On her books. Yeah. Paul Selig: But for me, and it's funny 'cause I, for, for most of my channeling time, I was whispering and repeating everything, right? So I was real anomaly in the community. Who's this guy that whispers and repeats? Paul Selig: It's too hard to listen to. It's only in the last year that they started working directly. And if I understand it, it's because my energy had to be aligned. To be able to really hold the, the magnitude of what they were bringing through in a way that I guess I'm able to do more effectively. I don't know. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, yeah. And, and interestingly for me it was, it was that it [00:48:00] it was because you did it that way? That I believed it. Paul Selig: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Because it was like, who could fake this? Paul Selig: That somebody else said that one of the first people who ever talked about me online said, look at this guy. He's working too hard to be faking it. Paul Selig: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was a mile a minute, so fast, whisper, repeat. It was crazy. This is a little easier on my system. I have to say this way, but you know. It was always a very physical experience for me. Matt Kosterman: Of the energy? Paul Selig: Yeah. Of the energy. And you know, I, I don't know if you've seen this, but often when they really step into me, my eyes turn pale blue when they're not. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: I use eyes so people see this and report it. Um, but, but a very physical thing. And once in a while I would see somebody and I just, you know, I'd go, well, it doesn't, it doesn't feel. Like much is happening, but you know, it's not for me to say people work in different ways. Matt Kosterman: [00:49:00] Yeah. And people receive different, yeah. Matt Kosterman: And people Paul Selig: receive different, but yeah, it's fine. So discernment for me is just how does it feel? Does it ring true? Matt Kosterman: Okay. Paul Selig: Does it land true? Does it do I? If something is too couched in the. The culture of the moment stuff. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Paul Selig: It feels like it's pop culture. I mean, my guides, I don't think care about whatever the, the most recent conspiracy theory is. Paul Selig: I think they've got other, their teachers, they're here to do something specific. That's not to say that somebody else shouldn't or doesn't channel effectively on that kind of information. It's just not how I do this. The guys have said for a long time. There's a big difference between knowing and thinking and the personality, or the small self thinks and the divine self knows. Paul Selig: And when I'm hearing [00:50:00] them, I am not really thinking, I'm just trying to keep up with a dictation. Mm-hmm. And when I do interrupt, that's me thinking and they know how to manage it now. Mm-hmm. In the old days. You know, I didn't know. I didn't, you know, now they'll say Paul is interrupting. Mm-hmm. I usually just interrupt. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Paul Selig: And now sometimes they'll actually say Paul was interrupting and then they'll frame in their own speech what my question was in a way that doesn't derail the lecture. Yeah. Paul Selig: Because at times I would derail the lecture. Ah, okay. All my questions. And when they were doing a book, they have a, a fairly specific agenda. Paul Selig: Book of knowing and word. There's actually a CHO one shopper that was intended to be something else. And there was a noise in the room that was threw me out of it and I couldn't get back in. And I was panicking. Uhhuh. Paul Selig: Uhhuh. Oh, the book is gone. I can't, 'cause the rule is I can't go back and change anything. Paul Selig: Oh, it's all done. Oh, okay. Paul Selig: And the guy had said, let us continue. We will tell you at the end of the dictation whether this is in the book or not. And they did [00:51:00] a whole lecture on my fear and my resistance. And then they said, and this is in the book. And I was like, oh, terrific. You know, this is amazing. They made it work in their own way or they chose to keep it. Paul Selig: Yeah. Nobody Matt Kosterman: complained, right? Yeah. And it, it was, for me it was the energy. 'cause I remember I went, the first workshop I went with you went to see was in Berkeley. And, and when they did the toning through you, ah. I mean, the whole room, it fits. Looked like someone turned on a smoke machine and filled the room with white light. Matt Kosterman: It was incredible the energy that came through there. Um, and, and then at the next one it didn't happen and I asked them and they said, well, you were expecting that and we did this. Okay. Sounds like that. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like that, right? Mm-hmm. So, um, so Divine Unions coming out end of January. Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: January Paul Selig: 20th, Matt Kosterman: I think. January 20th. Mm-hmm. Um. And then the, the next one's in the works already. You're, you're next one's Paul Selig: done. I've turned it into the publisher. I don't have a date yet 'cause I still have to write, it's either like a forward or an [00:52:00] afterward or something. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Paul Selig: I would do that. And um, my assumption I guess is probably this time next year, again, Matt Kosterman: it's been about annual Paul Selig: for the most part it has been. Paul Selig: Yeah. Yeah. Doing a book a year for a long time. So I, that's a publishing decision. I don't have much say on when thing has happened. Got it. You know, I was contracted for this. I'm assuming they're expecting it and have the paper in the ink somewhere. Right, right. That's, we didn't, oh my God, this is terrible. Paul Selig: Yeah. It hasn't happened yet, and it's not my book. If they do, I guess I, I can't really feel insulted, so. Right, Matt Kosterman: right. It is. And how, how, how can, how do, how can people engage with you? What are your, what, what are you, your waiting list for personal readings is. Miles long. Yes. Paul Selig: Yeah, I'm not doing a lot. I'm, I'm not doing them as much as I used to. Paul Selig: I just started actually Matt Kosterman: Uhhuh, Paul Selig: um, because I've gotta get this memoir that I've started last year written. So I, that's been put on more of the front burner. But yeah, I do do personal readings. I do [00:53:00] a lot of events. Um, I do them online every Wednesday evening Eastern time. Um, I do them once a month. I do an intensive of five day, two hours a day and five days in a row. Paul Selig: Those are kind of great. There's ample time for people to ask personal questions there, and I, we get through a lot of 'em. Matt Kosterman: A lot. Yeah. Paul Selig: Um, and I, the live events are where you really can have an experience of working directly with the energy in a room. 12 other people. So we're live streaming more of those than we have. Paul Selig: We just live streamed a seven day thing in Costa Rica, which was. A great experience from what I'm told from Matt Kosterman: the people line. Paul Selig: But, um, yeah, I'm, I'm all over. So my, my website is my name. It's Paul Selig, SELI g.com. And there's a calendar there of where I'll be and I'm throughout the US and I'll be in Europe again this summer. Paul Selig: And I hear now I'm gonna be going to Australia and using the next year. Oh, beautiful. So we'll see. We'll see. Amazing. We'll see, we'll see. Yeah. Yeah, we get [00:54:00] talkers. They got dogs now. Matt Kosterman: Oh, right. Paul Selig: Parent. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Well, and you, and I'm sorry, you lost, uh, chance recently, right? I lost chance. Yeah. That heartbreak, it was Paul Selig: inherited from my mom. Paul Selig: She was very old, but she crossed unexpectedly while I was away, while I was to my Costa Rica retreat. So it was a hard homecoming. Matt Kosterman: Oh, chance did? Yeah. Paul Selig: Yeah. And I just adopted this little, tiny, tiny little thing from a, she was at a puppy mill. Oh. To be more loving and sweet. Matt Kosterman: And Lily's okay with her. Paul Selig: Lily's. Paul Selig: Yeah, she's okay with it. She's, she's very tolerant. I have to give her a lot of credit. The other, the little one's getting a lot of attention. She's not loving it Uhhuh, but Paul Selig: she's letting this little one sleep next door and do things that she never did with the other dog, so, oh, nice. I think she's on board enough. Paul Selig: Yeah, I'm happy about that. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And then you've got, you said you have a, a band of cats that you, that, that you I have a, I, Paul Selig: well, there's four that I see. Three I see every day. Another four. There's four or five that [00:55:00] come, but yeah, they live at the base of my driveway, so I, they bed in the afternoons. They, so neighbors feed them two. Paul Selig: I understand. Matt Kosterman: Okay. And you're on the beautiful island of Maui? I am, yeah. Lovely. Well Paul, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it and uh, I recommend, uh, his work to anybody who might be interested in such things 'cause it's, uh, it's super powerful. It's been life changing and I'm appreciative. Matt Kosterman: Thanks. Thanks, thanks for having me. You bet. Be well. You too. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.