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Team USA manager Mark DeRosa on The Phillies Show · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: There's Jaji Warris.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Philly Show.
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  Speaker 3: Hi everybody, Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's a lucky
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  Speaker 3: It is the Phillies Show. It is Friday, April twenty fifth,
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Hope everybody is doing well. That was, of.
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  Speaker 4: Course, Jason Worth, former Phillies World Series Champion. Jason Worth's
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  Speaker 4: This weekend, the Phillies are going to try to stop
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  Speaker 4: the bleeding. They've lost four in a row. They got
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  Speaker 4: swept earlier this week in New York. They open a
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  Speaker 4: three game series on Friday night against the Cubs at
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  Speaker 4: Wrigley Field. Taiwan Walkers on the mound on Friday night
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  Speaker 4: against Colin Ray. Saturday it's Jesus Lozardo against Ben Brown,
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  Speaker 4: and then we've got some Sunday night baseball Aaron Nola
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  Speaker 4: zero to five, six, four to three Era, we'll face
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  Speaker 4: Jamison Tyone. If you missed Thursday's episode, go back and
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  Speaker 4: take a listen watch it. Ruben, Jim and I got
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  Speaker 4: together after this sweep in New.
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  Speaker 3: York and we talked about all of the Phillies problems,
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  Speaker 3: the problems with the bullpen, the problems with the offense,
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  Speaker 3: not slugging, not hitting with runners in scoring position, some
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  Speaker 3: cracks maybe in the rotations foundation with Aaron Nola's struggles.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, Christopher Sanchez having a sore left forearm a
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  Speaker 3: lot of frustration right now among Phillies fans, understandably so.
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  Speaker 3: But it is only twenty five games into a one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two game season. So we thought it
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  Speaker 3: would make a lot of sense to bring in somebody
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  Speaker 3: on Friday with a national perspective, So we have Mark
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  Speaker 3: DeRosa as our guest. Mark de Rosa, of course, is
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  Speaker 3: one of the co hosts of MLB Central on MLB
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  Speaker 3: Network ten am East weekdays.
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  Speaker 4: Great show. But of course Marked Rosa also played sixteen
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  Speaker 4: years in the big leagues. He played football and baseball
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  Speaker 4: at Penn and next year will be his second run
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  Speaker 4: as the manager of Team USA in the World Baseball Classic.
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  Speaker 4: Mark had a lot of great insight, shared some great stories,
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  Speaker 4: talked a lot about talk a little bit about getting
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  Speaker 4: some Phillies on Teamosa next year. So here he is
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  Speaker 4: after these words, coming up, Mark de Rosa.
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  Speaker 4: Mark Thanks for joining the Philly Show.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing today good.
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  Speaker 1: I hope I'm doing great, good Man.
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  Speaker 3: Well, for those that don't know well Mark, I want
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  Speaker 3: to say this first. My favorite show on MLB Network
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  Speaker 3: is MLB Central. I do watch it every day to
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  Speaker 3: Ennam Eastern. For those that don't watch.
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  Speaker 1: It, Yeah, you launch a hottie, Robert Flores. It's so good.
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  Speaker 3: You guys have such great chemistry and I literally I
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  Speaker 3: love when you break down hitters and pitchers and all
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  Speaker 3: that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's such a such a great show.
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  Speaker 3: You guys seem like a fun hang and so I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to give you some kudos on that show.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't you guys just have an anniversary?
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  Speaker 1: We did ten ten years Roflow has been with us
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  Speaker 1: god seven out of to ten. We had Matty V
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  Speaker 1: for the first three. Yeah, we get along great. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason the breakdowns, I mean always because I I
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  Speaker 1: I get a lot on on social media. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: learn how to hit till I was thirty, So I
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  Speaker 1: mean I was soaking up from Chipper to Albert to
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  Speaker 1: Michael Young that to share all the great players and
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  Speaker 1: I just try and like be a facilitator of what
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  Speaker 1: they were preaching. It's so good man. I love and
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  Speaker 1: of course also, you have a little side gig.
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  Speaker 4: Going on right now as a manager of team US.
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  Speaker 3: Say congratulations on that for doing that beginning next year.
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  Speaker 3: But we wanted to have you on because we wanted
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  Speaker 3: to talk Phillies, of course, and right now, you know
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  Speaker 3: you went to penn You know Philly.
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  Speaker 4: You've played in Philly a bunch over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Are we panic?
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  Speaker 3: There's a little panic going on right now in Philly.
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  Speaker 3: And I was watching I was watching you this morning.
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  Speaker 3: You were telling you showing some Mets Phillies highlights, and
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  Speaker 3: I think what you said about the Phillies was they're
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  Speaker 3: just lacking a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Of juice right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm wondering what what do you see from
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  Speaker 3: the Phillies because there is some panic right now in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the history and the names on the back
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  Speaker 1: of the jersey say you're gonna be fine, and I
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  Speaker 1: think when the dust settled, you will be exactly that.
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  Speaker 1: They just can't get the big hit. It seems like
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  Speaker 1: they're putting traffic on the base pass every inning and
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  Speaker 1: they can't catch a gap or no one's hitting that
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  Speaker 1: big home run to light them up. So that's the
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  Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing for me. I mean, the last
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  Speaker 1: time they looked like they had some juice was the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers series, when Dodgers rolled into town and they you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of mono imano and and they stepped up. I
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  Speaker 1: think the lineups in flocks. I think it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: toppers trying to find a lineup. We talked about the
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  Speaker 1: leadoff roll coming throughout spring training. Was it gonna be Turner?
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  Speaker 1: Was it gonna be Schwarber? Can you move Nick? And
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of those two lefty bats, is he
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  Speaker 1: swinging it back good enough? Bowman marsh got off the
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  Speaker 1: bad starts. I just think everything's hyper sensitive the first
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  Speaker 1: forty games of the season. I always go back to
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Cox. That's kind of how I was raised, right.
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  Speaker 1: He would give us forty games, give you about one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty at bats, give the starters a couple starts,
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  Speaker 1: and then he'd usually call that meeting around the forty
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  Speaker 1: game mark. We'd be sitting like twenty two and eighteen
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  Speaker 1: or something. You'd be like, all right, now we go.
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  Speaker 1: Now we don't lose another series the rest of the year.
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  Speaker 1: I gave you time to get loose. Now, the names
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  Speaker 1: on the back say we need to now, we need
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  Speaker 1: to go. So I do think it's still a little
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  Speaker 1: a little early before we panic. Yeah, that's great stuff
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  Speaker 1: I met.
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  Speaker 2: And also I will say, Todd, you mentioned it about
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  Speaker 2: their show. It is a blast those guys. I've been
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  Speaker 2: on here two or three times. I have not had
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  Speaker 2: more fun on TV than on that show.
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  Speaker 1: There's no question about it. I'm serious. They just have fun.
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  Speaker 7: They enjoy you know, they enjoy what they do, and
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  Speaker 7: it's obvious. Yeah, but they're all great, great folks and
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  Speaker 7: really enjoy it. Tiro, talk to me a little bit
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  Speaker 7: about when how the feeling is.
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  Speaker 8: When you're not getting that big hit it's almost happening
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  Speaker 8: across the board, what it's like in the dugout, in
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  Speaker 8: the clubhouse after the game, before the game, what's the
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  Speaker 8: feeling like when you're not getting that knock and.
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  Speaker 1: There's some tension there. Yeah, it's frustrating because you want
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  Speaker 1: to pick up your teammates. Right. There's a couple guys
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  Speaker 1: that have gotten off the bad starts. I mean, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: the bullpen, like Alvarado's throwing the ball good Stram always
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  Speaker 1: does his thing, but Romano's really struggled and like puts
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  Speaker 1: everybody on blast. From a lineup point point of view.
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  Speaker 1: If one guy, you know, Bom and Marsh got off
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  Speaker 1: to just bad starts and now Topper's Batt and Bom
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  Speaker 1: in the eighth slot, like it starts playing with guys'
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  Speaker 1: minds and other guys just want to pick them up
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  Speaker 1: and get that big knock and let everyone relax. It
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  Speaker 1: just seems like, you know, in the last couple of games,
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  Speaker 1: it's not coming. I love I love listening to Rob
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  Speaker 1: Thompson his post game. I know he might not give
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  Speaker 1: you everything you want, but he's exactly what the players
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  Speaker 1: want to hear. No panic in his voice. There's a
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  Speaker 1: track record here where eventually you know it'll regress to
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  Speaker 1: the mean at some point. As bad as we're going
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  Speaker 1: now in clutch spots, that's as hot as we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get throughout the season. I do truly believe that,
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  Speaker 1: Hey Mark.
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  Speaker 9: Since the Phillies played the Mets in London early June
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  Speaker 9: last year, since June nine, heading into their weekend series
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  Speaker 9: at Field, Phillies have played one hundred and twenty seven games,
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  Speaker 9: including four in the playoffs, and they are just one
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  Speaker 9: game over five hundred in that span. That's a pretty
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  Speaker 9: good chunk of time. Yeah, do you read anything into that?
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  Speaker 9: Do you kind of go back and say, maybe they're
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  Speaker 9: not as good as we think they are?
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  Speaker 1: No, I think that'd be unfair. I do think they
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  Speaker 1: have superstar type talent that can cover up some of
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  Speaker 1: the flaws in the roster, so to speak. I mean
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out is Max Kepler going to
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  Speaker 1: be a dude or is it going to be a
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  Speaker 1: platoon thing that we're going with there? Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: they ran Stot into the leadoff spot. They've had Trey Turner,
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  Speaker 1: we've had Schwarber. What can Castianos be counted on to
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  Speaker 1: break up those two lefties every day? I love their
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  Speaker 1: starting rotation. Who was to say? I mean, come on,
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  Speaker 1: you know it's an aberration Aaron Nola getting all to
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  Speaker 1: an zero and five start. You know he's gonna rattle
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  Speaker 1: off a ton of wins in a row. It's who
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  Speaker 1: he's always been. There'll be no panic in him. I
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  Speaker 1: do think they need to figure out and make some
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  Speaker 1: decisions on you know, a bullpen and how that, how
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  Speaker 1: that's deployed. I mean, like yesterday I saw Alvarado come
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  Speaker 1: in the eighth and I was like, that's interesting. He's
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  Speaker 1: using that bullet here. There was two righties coming up.
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  Speaker 1: I think Alonzo let off the inning. It was like Alonzo,
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  Speaker 1: Nemo and Biento. So I'm like, that's an interesting movie.
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  Speaker 1: He's running that out right now. So just trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out how he's going about. No, I think there's
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  Speaker 1: still one of the better teams in the National League.
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  Speaker 1: I do believe that. I think the start, the starter
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  Speaker 1: separate him. Right wheelers usually win day. Nolo get going.
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  Speaker 1: Lozardo's been a revelation for you guys, and hopefully the
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  Speaker 1: Sanchez is not a big deal with the forearm, and
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  Speaker 1: he can he can kind of resume because if you
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  Speaker 1: put him in Ranger back in there. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: can make the argument that's the best five in the
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  Speaker 1: National League.
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  Speaker 10: Can you tell me a little bit about the makeup
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  Speaker 10: of these guys you had a couple of them, Yeah,
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  Speaker 10: UBC tell me about the feeling that you got with
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  Speaker 10: all those guys and what they meant to you as
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  Speaker 10: a manager during that time.
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  Speaker 1: I loved them all. I did. I love them all,
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  Speaker 1: but the Phillies guys I can make make the statement
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  Speaker 1: that they were my fave the three I had. The
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  Speaker 1: three I had, and I'll never forget it because, like
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  Speaker 1: I still view myself, I didn't I've never managed going
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  Speaker 1: into that, so I still like, who's trying to find
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  Speaker 1: my footing? And Trey and Kyle and JT were having
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  Speaker 1: breakfast one morning and I walked in to get my
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  Speaker 1: food and They're like, come on, skip, sit down, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, Like I was waiting for
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  Speaker 1: that to kind of be one of the boys again.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go to battle with all three. I mean, Trey
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  Speaker 1: was a monster for us. So he hit five homers
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  Speaker 1: and me one of the highlights of my life. The
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  Speaker 1: Grand Slam against Venezuela is one of the highlights of
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  Speaker 1: my professional life because before that game, I had played
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  Speaker 1: in Venezuela in ninety nine. I knew the passion that
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  Speaker 1: they were going to play with. I knew they were
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  Speaker 1: going to be out of the dug out loud, and
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  Speaker 1: I called a meeting and I said, listen, we're matching
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  Speaker 1: their energy tonight. I want you to act like twelve
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  Speaker 1: year olds. First guy who goes deep, we're all at
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  Speaker 1: home plate and Trey went deep. If you watch it back, man,
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  Speaker 1: every guy is out of that dugout at home plate,
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  Speaker 1: and you don't see that very often. So he gave
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  Speaker 1: me that like kind of blackout moment that you don't
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  Speaker 1: get too often. JT's rider Die. I know he's gotten
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  Speaker 1: off to a slow start, but I'll go to war
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  Speaker 1: with him any day of the week. And Schwarves's Schwarves
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  Speaker 1: is the glue man, Like he was the glue on
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  Speaker 1: that team. He would he would come up behind me and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, whisper some funny things in my ear in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of of you know, a pressureized situation that
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  Speaker 1: you need to kind of break it up. So all
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  Speaker 1: three of them were beyond fantastic. Schwarbert.
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  Speaker 3: We all three of us have said he's one of
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  Speaker 3: the best leaders that we have seen it in the
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  Speaker 3: Phillies clubhouse for years and years and years. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure at some point on MLB Central you've broken down
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  Speaker 3: Schwarber's swing. Can you explain to Phillies fans, like, like,
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  Speaker 3: what do you love about his swing? Like what makes
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  Speaker 3: his swing? What makes him fun to watch for you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, it's obviously the light tower power,
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  Speaker 1: but it's the ability to be so short and quick
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  Speaker 1: and explosive to the baseball. When he's right, he's got
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  Speaker 1: one of the shortest swings in the game, and it's
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  Speaker 1: so violent and sets the tone. I kind of like
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  Speaker 1: him in the leadoff spot. I know he profiles down
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  Speaker 1: in the order and I get it. But talking to
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  Speaker 1: a lot of catchers and former catchers and current catchers,
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  Speaker 1: they say, when you give us that prototypical leadoff guy,
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  Speaker 1: now that lets us kind of get game and get
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  Speaker 1: a rhythm going instead of the Kyle Schwarber stepping in.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, uh oh, first pitch could be one nothing.
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  Speaker 1: It changes the way we attack the first inning. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I almost like Schwarve setting a tone.
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  Speaker 9: He does set some tones. Last year, fifteen leadoff home
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  Speaker 9: runs and they won. They won thirteen of those games,
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  Speaker 9: and that was that's a great stat. So I remember
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  Speaker 9: watching that WBC and I remember watching Trey Turner just
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  Speaker 9: crush the ball, and I'm thinking it's over Phillies who
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  Speaker 9: winning the World Series. And then you know he's been inconsistent.
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  Speaker 9: There's been these pockets of greatness when he's like putting
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  Speaker 9: up MVP numbers like short spur, you know, a few
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  Speaker 9: weeks here and there, and then there's been other pockets
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  Speaker 9: of just head scratching inconsistency. What are you seeing in
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  Speaker 9: Trey Turner's game, you know, since he joined the Phillies.
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  Speaker 1: I think the inconsistency is well. First off, I always
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  Speaker 1: go to the mindset like they're not robots, right, Like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I remember when I signed my free agent deal on
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  Speaker 1: a on a crazy smaller scale than than these guys
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  Speaker 1: are signing. It's like, you want to endear yourself to
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  Speaker 1: every usher, every every fan that walks in. You want
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  Speaker 1: because they don't see you you struggle. Like when I
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  Speaker 1: got to play with Derek Jeter and O nine Team
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  Speaker 1: USA and he grounded out to short or struck out,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, what I don't I don't get to see that.
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  Speaker 1: I only see the high highlights of him hitting homers
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  Speaker 1: and hitting balls the other way. So, the pressure of
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  Speaker 1: carrying a three hundred million dollar contract, regardless of whether
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna play a little bit in the shadow of
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  Speaker 1: Bryce Harper, is still you want to endear yourself to
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  Speaker 1: the fans. What the Phillies fans did on the flip
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  Speaker 1: side to kind of give him the standing ovation and
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  Speaker 1: get him rolling can't be understated. My biggest thing when
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  Speaker 1: I watch when I watched Trey, when he does struggle
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  Speaker 1: is he's susceptible is swinging its spin and it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: seem like he picks it up really good. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of guys in the league like that. That's the
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  Speaker 1: biggest thing, controlling the strike zone, getting on base. But
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  Speaker 1: when he's going right, he's a you know, he's a
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  Speaker 1: five tool talent. But that's the thing. Occasionally, like the
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  Speaker 1: swing decisions that he'll make kind of cost him some
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  Speaker 1: batan average.
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  Speaker 11: We talked this about this a little bit earlier, talk
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  Speaker 11: about the bullpen and what it does when it doesn't
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  Speaker 11: shut it down, what it feels like.
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  Speaker 8: What the when you're standing out there at shortstop or
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  Speaker 8: second base and you see somebody you see that pen
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  Speaker 8: door open up and.
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  Speaker 7: They've been struggling. What does that do to the team.
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  Speaker 1: Well, first, you want him to do well, because you
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  Speaker 1: want all your teammates to do well. But it's a
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  Speaker 1: you know, rude you losing games in the eighth and
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  Speaker 1: ninth inning, that is a that is a no no,
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  Speaker 1: that that sets everybody back. Right, those have to be
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  Speaker 1: lockdown innings for you. I mean, you can have a
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  Speaker 1: couple of hiccups throughout the year, and I always think
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  Speaker 1: it's unfair that these guys got to be asked to
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  Speaker 1: be perfect, right, But it's a demoralizer when you're constantly
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  Speaker 1: losing games late. It's like, like, yet you know perfect
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  Speaker 1: examples Yesterday, I mean, you scored a run, you go
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  Speaker 1: up three to two. You bring in Romano, he's gotten
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: off to a tough start. You want him to have
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: a moment. They kind of eased him the other day,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: put him in a spot to succeed, and then Pete
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: kind of push out double rocket in the right center
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: gap and Marte broken bat and the game's over. So yeah,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating. I always go back. I listened to
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Harper's comments after the game, and he's like taking it
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: upon himself, And that's what that's what kind of can happen, right.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: You can't just like I have to be the one
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to get us out of this. I think it has
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: to be more of a past of but bita mentality
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: and kind of not feel like you have to be
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the hero to kind of cover up everybody you had mentioned.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I want to kind of go back to what you
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: said about Rob Thompson that he says and kind of
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: talks the way that players want their manager to talk.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Can you explain that a little bit more, because I
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: know sometimes fans want the manager to maybe get on
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: a guy a little bit publicly, and you know Rob
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: does not get super agitated in his postgame press conferences.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: You say it's pretty even keel.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm sure Bobby Cox was that
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: way and some of your other managers that you appreciated.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a long, arduous marathon throughout the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: regular season. If you have a manager that's riding the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: highs and lows with you, we're going to have problems
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: throughout the course of the season. You have to be
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: able as a player, whether you're going good bed indifferent.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: You want the brutal truth said to you if you
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: walk in the office. But I always wanted to look
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: down at the end of the dugout and know that
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the guy standing with one arm on the rail is
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: locked in and trusts that we're going to figure this
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: out and he never waivers. So yeah, it's big for me.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's having different conversations with players behind closed doors,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: but the respect factor that that stuff doesn't get put
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: on blast out in the media is huge to building
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a clubhouse chemistry and a relationship with the guys.
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: It just is.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I think there's moments where guys got to be called
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to the carpet, no question about it. I don't think
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: you go through an entire season and he's just got
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: to cover your tushty entire time. But twenty four to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: twenty five games into the seat and he starts showing
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the frustration and panic that the fans are showing. That's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: not the move for the guys in there that have
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: given these fans so much and have done so much.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I could see if it was a different situation, different roster,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: but these guys are These guys are deserving of a
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: little time to break out of this funk, so to speak. Yeah,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: curious as to what that was.
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: How you felt about the Bryan snicker Acuna stuff that
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: popped out, because I know you, Yes, I have tremendous
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: respect for the man. I you know, I feel his
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: steadiness as well, and I think he learned from the
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: great Ones and Bobby Cox and others.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: But what was your thought about that? Yeah? My thought
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: about it is we're all grown men, and if you
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: got something to say you can walk into the manager's
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: office and voice your displeasure and talk to him as
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: a grown man, to sit back and to use social
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: media knowing it was going to incite a riot. When
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: your team just took three in a row from the Twins,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you got off to a tough start, you finally got
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: some positive momentum, and our superstar player tweets something out
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: that that's my hang up with it. I'm not saying
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Ronald's wrong. I think kellen Nick should have been pulled.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: That's how I was raised in the game. I got
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: sent to I got benched by I said this on
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the air. I got bench by every manager I ever
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: played for for doing something stupid. Lack of hustle, selfish play.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: That's how you learn, and that's how you grow, and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: that's how it never happens again. So it was the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: way he went about it. I just come on, man,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you're a superstar in this game. You got a big following.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: You knew what it was going to do and how
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: it was going to move on social and it's just
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: it's not the move.
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: I actually hurt.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I heard you.
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: I heard you the other day. You jacked up Kellenick
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: pretty good on TV the other day about you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: having no home runs and trotting it like that's he's right, you.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Know what, Jim, I'm right, Jim, Because how do you
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: add value?
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: If you're a bench guy, My value is to pick
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: up guys on on on a day off. My job
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: is to pinch hit and you know, try and find
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: ways to help the team that day. And if I
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: get the spots start, I get the spots start. But
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: at no point or my five to seven homers throughout
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the course of the season as a bench guy or
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a platoon guy going to change the narrative of who
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: we are. So I just feel like you got to
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: earn the right to slow trot some homers. I just
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel I just feel that way.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I just don't think you're one or two. You should
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: be acting like he carried the team. He had a
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: bad moment. It hasn't ever happened. I didn't run a
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: ball out in Miami because I was frustrated. I had
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: a great ab. I hit a one hot liner. I
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: hit a one hot liner to the shortstop and there
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: was a guy on first, so I just thought he
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: was gonna take the force out at second. I'm, you know,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: cursing myself out running down the first base, but I'm
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: running half ass. Well. He flipped it to second. He
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: flipped it bad, and they were still able to get
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: me at first. I got sent to Richmond that night. Wow,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Like that's I don't know, that's the way I was
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: raised in the game. And I don't think you know
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: one size fits all, but that that's what I know.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: If you're not doing your job and you're not hustling,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and like you should be taking the task for it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: So it's funny you should say that because I had
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: this saying, and actually was Pat Gillick saying, I'm gonna
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: play again.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: We like to treat all of our players fairly.
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: We treat some of them more fairly than others.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Now, no doubt. Jimmy Johnson, I'm a huge Cowboy fan,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: which the Eagles fans are gonna hate me for saying that.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Don't worry, We're not gonna be good for a while,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: so I won't be I won't be bothering you. But
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I read Jimmy Johnson's book and he talked about releasing
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a special teams player who was sleeping in a meeting
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and the special Teams player asked him, what if it
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: was Troy Aikman, if that was sleeping, He said, I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: would have got him a blanket and a pillow. I
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: tell I was raised right. So my thing with Ronald
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: gets a lot more leeway than a Jared kell Nick.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I just can't have you tweeting about it and throwing
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: your manager and your teammate on blast. He could have
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: walked into Snit's office and said, you benched me for that.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I don't want a double standard. I want kell Nick's
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: ass on the bench today, and you might have. Snip
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: might have said, you know why, you're right, and he
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: might have won won over Ronald for the rest of
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: his career. Who's to say, But you know, sometimes these
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: guys we live in a different world now where they
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: want to do it a little bit different.
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah, everything can be everything can be handled properly. But
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: I enjoyed your commentary on the MLB Network about the
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: situation the other day, and I liked how you went
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: into that story about how Bobby came up chance to
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: get your stuff together. You're going to.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Richmond, I think you have to like Yeah, I know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was a utility guy for sixteen seasons,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: but at moments I kind of did everything, So.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: He gets frustrating.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: It's a frustrating.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Game, and you make mistakes. I mean, I hit a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: ball in Wrigley Field down the right field line that
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I was foul off the bat, completely foul off the bat,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and you know, classic Wriggly win blows it back fair
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: and I end up with a single loop. And Ella said,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you know, sit your ass next to me for the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: next five innings. All right, you're right, yes, again, I
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: can't argue with it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: How again, how do you see the NLY East Like
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: the Braves got off to a slow start, Like we
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: talked earlier in the podcast, there's panic in Philadelphia. How
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: is their start being viewed in Atlanta? And how do
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: you see the NL East stacking up? The Mets are
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: awfully good, that's been good. They've been good since last June.
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: Who's the team to be here? And and how is
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: the Braves slow start being you know, dealt with in
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: the fan base in Atlanta?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's panic in Atlanta. Okay, there's panic in Atlanta.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: They want they want to see what it looks like
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: when a couna gets back in there, but they got
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: some some question marks as well. But what they're doing,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: But again, you let Strider get assimilated into the rotation
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: to expect Sale to be a unanimous Cy Young Award winner.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: You you're not showing up to Northport thinking that he's
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: going to be a number one starter. But he's not
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: going to bail us out of every game. I love
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the Schwellenbach kid. I think he's tough as nails on
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the mound. Riley's starting to swing the bat. Yeah, the Mets, look,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I'm saying right now. You you'd
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: kind of say the Mets are the team to be
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: in the NL East. I think they're deep. I think
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: they're Juan Soto is only going to get better. Ye,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: their rotation is only going to get stronger. But I
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: still say this my my dad taught me a long
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: time ago. The game begins and ends on the mauld mark.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: It always will chase chase the pitcheon. Whenever you get
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a chance, chase the pitcheon. It's what I always did.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: If I was ever a free agent, I tried to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: chase some of the pitcheon. Right. So, when you guys
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: are healthy and Ranger comes back and hopefully Sanchez is fine.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: The way Lozardo's throwing a ball and Wheeler and Nola,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I find it hard that you just don't get on
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: some type of run.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Here, Mark, I got a couple of questions speaking of pitching,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: h I don't want to presume who you would like
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: to have on your team USA pitching staff next year. Well,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: wh come if you want, Well, this is what I
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: was gonna ask you. What's your sales pitch to get
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Zach Wheeler on that squad? He's gonna be a tough
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: nut to crack if you I'm sure you've thought about
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: how you can know about it.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Who's gonna be the opportunity to for the United States
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: for the first time, with no disrespect to every team
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: that's come before him, for the first time to put
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: their best team on the field against the Dominican against Japan,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: against Puerto Rico, whoever that may be. I don't think
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: that's happened yet. That would be my sales pitch. Do
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you want to be? I mean, because I mean my
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: sales pitches. Hey, in my dreams, when when we head
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: to Miami and we got three games to win, Zach,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: you're one of the three best pitchers in the game
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, I want you to take the ball
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: with USA across your chest and the greatest stars behind you,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: and I want you to go out there and have fun.
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: When do you make that pitch.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Sooner rather than later? And maybe more than more right
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: now and maybe more than once? And one other thing
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: We've we've had a lot of former Phillies on the
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: show from the kind of the era that you played in.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: And you played I think fifty four times against the
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Phillies from two thousand and three to twenty thirteen, and
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I use those dates for a reason. Chase Utley was
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: on that team, on those teams from three to twenty thirteen,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: did he have any fun interactions or good Chase Utley's stories.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: I mean when you were on second base, did he
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: ever even look get you in smile?
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah? He gave me very little. There was there was
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a respect like hey, d Row, like I know you're
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a good dude, and I want to say hello to you,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: but I want to rip your face off for nine innes.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: And you know what, I left him alone. I left
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: him alone. I was there when he came up. He
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: he got called up at the vet and went deep yep,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: like real quick against the braves. If I'm not mistaken, So.
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: We line drive home run.
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: It might have been a Grand Slam or a three rund.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it was.
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: He ran around the basis about one second.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Hey, he was the best. He was the best second
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: basement of my generation. Right, So you went into those
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: games wanting to see where you stood. Like I always
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: played that competition. I'm going to outplay whatever position I
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: was playing that night. If I was playing second, all right,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I want to outplay him tonight. That was tough to do.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: You up on the Hall of Fame, he might get there. Yeah,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: he's a stud. He was a stud for a long time.
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: So Mark, you you played in Veterans Stadium. Yeah, I'm
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: sure you played in Fenway Park. I know you played
• 31:10
  Speaker 9: in Wrigley. You also played in Franklin Field, and I
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: bet you probably shot hoops at the Palaestra. What's what's
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: the biggest tell me about playing football on Franklin Field?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Well, they got new turf in there now, Jim. I mean,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I think you said the only thing I was worried
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: about was the iodine scrub from the trainer after it
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: took like half your shin off when you tried to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: make a third down. Yeah. I loved my time at
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: penn I loved my time in Philly. Yeah, went to
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: went to University of Pennsylvania as as as a football
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: player and and basically had to beg my way onto
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the baseball team. That's the only way I was gonna
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: go there. So yeah, I have a lot of great
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: memories for my time as a Quaker.
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: So you had a huge fan and David Montgomery my boss.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, try to acquire you a few times.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: He would have been in hog Heaven.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Had to be done it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, you guys kept going, you kept
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: going pedro Phi, Lease don't lie Rubin.
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: I tried to get you twice in the three way,
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: and that I couldn't get Kevin Towers, but God rest
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: his soul.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: The flip let's go, Hey, funny, funny story. O nine.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I'm in Cleveland. I know I'm getting traded at the deadline,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: and Mark Shapiro comes out and goes, hey, uh, don't
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: get dressed. We're gonna move you here in the next hour.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: It's either gonna be Saint Louis or Philly. Wow. And
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I was just sitting in my locker going because my
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: family's down the shore in Jersey. So I was like,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: all right, this'd be perfect, get back to go to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Philly play with those monsters they were rolling. I said,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: my parents are gonna be able to come to every game.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: He came walking out, He's like, we traded to the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Saint Louis. I was like, I wasn't devastated, but I
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: was like, that's haw. I should have gotten you then,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I should have gotten you.
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: Come on, Ruben, how about I just wanted to ask you, like,
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: you were a teammate at Bryce Harper's when he was
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: nineteen years old? What was he like then? And compared
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: to did you kind of see what he was going
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: to be coming? I guess it was hard not to.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: He was a star then, right, Yeah, Jim, you knew
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: instantly Davey Johnson signed me for a reason. Right. I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: was like, kind of that glorified coach at the end,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, get to know Bryce. Take
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a liking to him. I remember first spring training, first
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: day of workouts twenty twelve, we hit togethergether in BP
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and then we were shagging balls in the outfield, and
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I was just like, walk me through your story, really,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and he has lived a different baseball journey than ninety
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: nine point nine percent of us whoever made the big leagues,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you know, to have to leave high school because they
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: weren't pitching to him to win the Golden Spikes as
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: an eighteen year old when he should be a senior
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: in college, to have the pressure to be the number
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: one pick. Overall, I loved every second, honestly of playing
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: with him because I loved being around somebody because I
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: didn't think this way. The greats think a little different.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I was trying to add value and survive and stay
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: in the league and make enough money where it was
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: worth it all the effort, time and energy and create
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: This guy was from nineteen. I'm going to the Hall
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of Fame. You're kind of all in my way. It's happening.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: And I just I ate that confidence up that a
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: kid that young could feel. He showed up the Dodger
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Stadium his first game, he was ready to rock. There
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: was no nerve. I mean, if there was nerves, he
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't showing him. It was like, I've I was born
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: to do this. Let me go do my thing. So
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I've had an amazing relationship with Bryce since since twenty twelve.
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: Would you like him on your roster team on for
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: the WBC.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I can't, I can't give.
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: I can't.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, we've talked. We have talked.
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: Take us inside the conversation.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: It was pretty it was pretty easy. He picked up
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: in one ring and he goes, I kind of know
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: why you're calling. I said, well, let's talk. Let's talk
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: this out, dude, because the last time I wanted him
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the last time and he had the elbow right. I
• 35:40
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