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Transforming Dreams into Reality: A Book Formatter's Guide for Aspiring Children's Book Authors · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

2:35
Hi,
2:35
I'm
2:35
Con
2:35
Lavery.
2:36
I'm
2:36
a
2:36
Canadian
2:37
indie
2:38
author
2:38
and
2:38
freelance
2:39
graphic
2:39
designer.
2:40
Do
2:40
that
2:40
full
2:41
time
2:41
and
2:41
write
2:42
stories
2:42
in
2:42
the
2:43
morning
2:43
and
2:43
evening.
2:44
Thank
2:44
you
2:44
Khan
2:45
for
2:45
appearing
2:45
on
2:46
the
2:46
Adventures
2:46
in
2:47
the
2:47
Heart
2:47
of
2:47
Children's
2:47
Book
2:48
Authors
2:48
podcast.
2:50
Today's
2:50
episode
2:51
is
2:51
all
2:51
about
2:52
supporting
2:52
aspiring
2:53
children's
2:54
book
2:54
authors
2:54
and
2:55
helping
2:55
them
2:56
turn
2:56
their
2:57
words
2:57
and
2:57
illustrations
2:58
into
2:59
a
2:59
finished
3:00
self
3:01
published
3:01
children's
3:02
book.
3:02
In
3:02
this
3:03
episode
3:04
we
3:04
will
3:04
discuss
3:04
with
3:05
Kahn
3:05
how
3:06
you
3:06
can
3:06
bring
3:06
your
3:07
book
3:07
to
3:07
life
3:07
as
3:08
an
3:08
aspiring
3:09
children's
3:09
book
3:09
author.
3:10
Even
3:10
though
3:11
we
3:11
are
3:11
talking
3:12
about
3:12
self
3:13
publishing
3:13
a
3:13
children's
3:14
book
3:14
today,
3:14
Kahn's
3:15
talents
3:15
can
3:16
work
3:16
for
3:16
any
3:17
self
3:17
published
3:17
author.
3:18
Khan
3:18
is
3:18
an
3:19
award
3:19
winning
3:19
author,
3:20
but
3:20
not
3:21
in
3:21
the
3:21
genre
3:22
of
3:22
children's
3:22
books.
3:23
This
3:23
episode
3:24
is
3:24
for
3:25
you
3:25
as
3:25
an
3:25
aspiring
3:26
children's
3:27
book
3:27
author
3:27
or
3:28
self
3:28
published
3:28
children's
3:29
book
3:29
author
3:29
who
3:29
wants
3:30
to
3:30
learn
3:30
some
3:31
of
3:31
the
3:31
ABCs
3:32
about
3:32
children's
3:32
book
3:33
authorship
3:34
to
3:34
be
3:34
able
3:34
to
3:34
reduce
3:35
that
3:35
feeling
3:36
of
3:36
where
3:37
do
3:37
I
3:37
start?
3:37
The
3:38
time
3:38
delays
3:38
that
3:39
can
3:39
manifest
3:40
into
3:41
months,
3:41
years
3:42
and
3:42
the
3:43
unnecessary
3:44
expenses.
3:45
Just
3:46
to
3:46
give
3:46
you
3:46
a
3:46
little
3:46
background
3:47
for
3:47
us,
3:48
Kwan
3:48
helped
3:49
us
3:49
create
3:49
our
3:50
first
3:50
children's
3:50
book,
3:50
the
3:51
Adventures
3:51
of
3:51
Caboose
3:52
the
3:52
Rocky
3:52
Mountain
3:53
Bear
3:53
and
3:54
he's
3:54
helping
3:54
us
3:54
launch
3:55
our
3:55
second
3:55
book
3:55
in
3:56
our
3:56
series
3:56
Hijinks
3:57
at
3:57
the
3:57
Big
3:57
Head
3:58
Folk
3:58
Music
3:58
Festival
3:59
which
4:00
is
4:00
due
4:00
to
4:00
be
4:01
released
4:01
mid
4:01
summer
4:02
2025.
4:03
Kahn's
4:04
talents
4:04
come
4:04
into
4:05
play
4:05
after
4:06
you've
4:06
edited
4:07
your
4:07
children's
4:08
book
4:08
and
4:09
you
4:09
have
4:09
the
4:09
supporting
4:10
illustrations.
4:11
We
4:11
will
4:12
discuss
4:12
with
4:12
Kahn
4:13
book
4:13
cover
4:14
design,
4:14
front
4:15
and
4:15
back
4:15
spine
4:16
ISBNs,
4:18
adding
4:18
pricing
4:19
to
4:19
your
4:19
back
4:20
cover,
4:20
whether
4:20
you
4:20
should
4:21
do
4:21
that
4:21
or
4:21
not.
4:22
Then
4:22
we'll
4:22
move
4:22
into
4:23
the
4:23
inside
4:23
of
4:23
the
4:24
book
4:24
and
4:25
inside
4:25
book
4:25
cover
4:26
information.
4:27
Book
4:27
plates,
4:28
book
4:28
formats
4:29
and
4:29
book
4:29
form
4:29
formatting
4:30
all
4:31
the
4:31
elements
4:31
and
4:32
processes
4:33
you
4:33
need
4:33
to
4:34
assemble
4:34
all
4:34
the
4:35
parts
4:35
of
4:36
a
4:36
finished
4:37
self
4:37
published
4:37
children's
4:38
book.
4:38
Thank
4:38
you
4:39
Kahn.
4:39
I
4:39
know
4:39
that
4:39
was
4:40
a
4:40
mouthful,
4:40
but
4:40
I
4:41
really
4:41
want
4:41
the
4:41
audience
4:42
to
4:42
understand
4:43
what
4:43
value
4:43
they're
4:44
getting
4:44
today
4:44
and
4:45
where
4:45
we're
4:45
focused
4:46
on
4:46
our
4:46
episode.
4:47
Awesome.
4:47
Yeah.
4:48
Again,
4:48
thanks
4:48
for
4:48
having
4:49
me
4:49
on
4:49
the
4:49
show.
4:49
I'm
4:49
glad
4:50
to
4:50
share
4:50
what
4:50
I
4:50
can.
4:51
Can
4:51
you
4:51
tell
4:52
us?
4:52
I
4:52
always
4:53
start
4:53
with
4:53
a
4:54
little
4:54
bit
4:54
of
4:54
the
4:54
origin
4:55
story.
4:55
So
4:56
tell
4:56
us
4:56
about
4:57
the
4:57
inspiration
4:58
for
4:58
you
4:59
to
4:59
become
5:00
a
5:00
graphic
5:00
designer.
5:01
I've
5:01
been
5:02
playing
5:02
with
5:02
graphics
5:03
and
5:04
web
5:04
web
5:04
tools
5:05
basically
5:06
my
5:06
entire
5:07
life.
5:07
Way
5:07
back
5:08
when
5:08
Microsoft
5:09
front
5:09
page
5:09
was
5:09
a
5:10
thing
5:10
in
5:10
98
5:11
I
5:11
was
5:11
playing
5:12
with
5:12
Microsoft
5:12
paint,
5:13
making
5:14
dinosaur
5:14
drawings
5:15
and
5:15
then
5:16
making
5:16
essentially
5:17
choose
5:17
your
5:17
own
5:17
adventure
5:18
books
5:19
on
5:19
the
5:20
Internet
5:20
with
5:20
hyperlinks
5:21
and
5:21
stuff
5:21
and
5:22
it
5:22
was
5:22
really
5:22
fun.
5:23
I've
5:23
been
5:23
doing
5:23
this
5:23
my
5:23
whole
5:24
life.
5:24
And
5:25
even
5:25
though
5:25
writing
5:25
is
5:26
my
5:26
real
5:27
passion
5:27
to
5:27
tell
5:28
stories,
5:29
I
5:29
was
5:29
also
5:30
very
5:30
aware
5:31
while
5:31
in
5:31
high
5:32
school
5:32
that
5:33
it's
5:33
a
5:34
difficult
5:34
path,
5:35
especially
5:35
to
5:35
make
5:36
it
5:36
a
5:36
full
5:36
time
5:37
job.
5:38
I
5:38
knew
5:38
that.
5:38
I
5:38
also
5:39
enjoyed
5:39
graphics
5:40
and
5:40
it's
5:40
a
5:40
trade
5:41
skill
5:41
that
5:42
you
5:42
can
5:42
actually
5:43
learn
5:43
and
5:44
go
5:44
to
5:45
a
5:45
college
5:46
for
5:46
a
5:46
much
5:47
shorter
5:47
time
5:48
than
5:48
having
5:48
to
5:49
spend
5:49
years
5:50
getting
5:50
a
5:50
master's
5:51
in
5:51
writing
5:51
and
5:51
then
5:52
still
5:52
hoping
5:52
that
5:52
you're
5:52
going
5:53
to
5:53
make
5:53
a
5:53
living.
5:53
So
5:53
I
5:53
was
5:54
like,
5:54
let's
5:54
go
5:54
to
5:55
graphic
5:55
design
5:56
school
5:56
and
5:57
polish
5:58
up
5:58
my
5:58
skills
5:58
so
5:58
I
5:59
can
5:59
get
5:59
to
5:59
get
5:59
a
5:59
job.
6:00
My
6:00
dad
6:00
was,
6:01
was
6:01
a
6:01
salesman
6:02
his
6:02
whole
6:02
life
6:02
and
6:03
often
6:04
ended
6:04
up
6:04
working
6:04
for
6:05
himself
6:05
where
6:05
things
6:05
were
6:06
commission
6:06
based.
6:07
So
6:07
he
6:07
was
6:08
in
6:08
control
6:09
of
6:09
his
6:09
funds
6:10
and
6:10
how
6:10
to
6:11
close
6:11
deals
6:12
and
6:12
all
6:12
of
6:12
that.
6:13
So
6:13
that
6:14
really
6:14
stuck
6:14
with
6:14
me
6:15
on
6:15
wanting
6:16
to
6:16
basically
6:17
be
6:17
my
6:17
own
6:17
boss.
6:18
I
6:18
had
6:18
a
6:18
couple
6:19
of
6:19
jobs
6:19
after
6:20
graduating
6:21
college,
6:21
but
6:21
I
6:21
always
6:22
knew
6:22
I
6:22
wanted
6:22
to
6:22
be
6:23
freelancing,
6:23
so
6:23
I
6:24
was
6:24
doing
6:24
it
6:24
on
6:24
the
6:24
side.
6:25
And
6:25
eventually
6:26
in
6:27
2014
6:27
I
6:28
went
6:28
full
6:28
time
6:29
freelancing.
6:30
And
6:30
I've
6:30
been
6:30
doing
6:30
that
6:30
ever
6:31
since.
6:31
And
6:32
yeah,
6:32
it
6:33
hasn't
6:33
always
6:33
been
6:34
stars
6:34
and
6:35
sunshine,
6:35
but
6:35
I
6:36
love
6:36
it.
6:36
That's
6:37
fantastic.
6:38
And
6:38
just
6:39
so
6:39
everyone
6:39
knows,
6:40
when
6:40
I
6:40
first
6:41
met
6:41
Kahn,
6:42
it
6:42
wasn't
6:43
in
6:43
the
6:44
genre
6:44
of
6:44
children's
6:45
books
6:45
or
6:46
children's
6:46
book
6:47
authorships.
6:47
I
6:48
actually
6:48
had
6:48
been
6:49
investing
6:50
in
6:50
real
6:50
estate
6:51
for
6:51
years
6:52
and
6:53
I
6:53
really
6:54
loved
6:54
it.
6:54
And
6:55
I
6:56
thought
6:57
I
6:57
kept
6:57
writing
6:58
this
6:59
book
7:00
infrequently.
7:01
So
7:01
I'd
7:01
write
7:01
parts
7:02
of
7:02
the
7:02
book
7:02
and
7:02
I
7:02
put
7:03
it
7:03
in
7:03
the
7:03
drawer.
7:03
And
7:04
I
7:04
think
7:04
most
7:05
a
7:05
lot
7:05
of
7:05
book
7:05
authors
7:06
go
7:06
through
7:06
this
7:06
where
7:07
you
7:07
have
7:07
this
7:07
inspiration,
7:08
you
7:08
go
7:09
through
7:09
writing
7:09
spurts.
7:10
And
7:10
so
7:11
all
7:11
of
7:11
a
7:11
sudden
7:11
I
7:12
had
7:12
about
7:12
3/4
7:13
of
7:13
a
7:13
book
7:14
done
7:14
and
7:14
I
7:14
thought,
7:15
now
7:15
what
7:15
the
7:15
heck
7:16
do
7:16
I
7:16
do
7:16
with
7:16
it?
7:17
And
7:17
I
7:17
just
7:17
happened
7:18
to
7:18
go
7:18
to
7:18
a
7:19
conference
7:19
that
7:19
had
7:20
a
7:20
editor
7:21
come
7:21
in
7:22
and
7:22
he
7:22
was
7:22
talking
7:23
about
7:23
how
7:24
to
7:24
bring
7:25
your
7:25
book
7:26
to
7:26
life.
7:27
And
7:27
after
7:28
that
7:28
conference,
7:29
I
7:29
was
7:29
very
7:29
fortunate.
7:30
I
7:30
actually
7:31
had
7:31
supper
7:31
with
7:31
that
7:32
gentleman
7:32
in
7:33
the
7:33
evening
7:33
and
7:34
he
7:35
thought
7:35
I
7:35
had
7:35
a
7:36
good
7:36
idea.
7:37
He
7:37
went
7:38
as
7:38
far
7:38
as
7:38
helping
7:39
me
7:39
find
7:40
one
7:40
of
7:40
the
7:40
top
7:41
editors
7:42
for
7:42
investment
7:42
real
7:43
estate
7:43
in
7:43
the
7:43
country.
7:44
And
7:45
so
7:45
that
7:46
triggered
7:47
this
7:47
whole
7:47
thing.
7:47
But
7:48
once
7:48
I
7:48
started
7:49
down
7:49
that
7:49
road
7:50
and
7:50
started
7:50
reading
7:51
out,
7:51
reaching
7:51
out
7:51
to
7:52
traditional
7:53
publishers,
7:54
that's
7:54
when
7:55
the
7:55
rubber
7:55
met
7:56
the
7:56
road.
7:56
And
7:56
I
7:56
realized
7:57
I'm
7:58
probably
7:58
going
7:58
to
7:58
have
7:59
to
7:59
go
7:59
the
8:00
self
8:00
publishing
8:01
route
8:02
through
8:02
a
8:02
contact.
8:03
I
8:03
think
8:03
I
8:04
just
8:04
phoned
8:05
a
8:05
college
8:06
and
8:06
a
8:06
college
8:07
said,
8:07
you
8:07
should
8:07
reach
8:08
out
8:08
to
8:08
Kahn.
8:09
And
8:10
that's
8:11
how.
8:11
So
8:12
we've
8:12
known
8:12
each
8:12
other
8:13
for
8:13
quite
8:14
a
8:14
long
8:14
time
8:14
now.
8:15
I'm.
8:15
Yeah,
8:16
I'm
8:16
not
8:16
quite
8:16
sure
8:17
how
8:17
long,
8:17
but
8:17
I
8:17
probably
8:18
could
8:18
go
8:18
back
8:18
and
8:18
figure
8:19
that
8:19
out.
8:20
Yeah.
8:20
Timestamped
8:21
files
8:22
in
8:22
like
8:23
2015
8:23
or
8:24
16.
8:24
The
8:25
nice
8:25
thing
8:25
about
8:25
it
8:25
is
8:26
Khan
8:26
helped
8:27
me
8:27
bring
8:28
two
8:28
investment
8:29
real
8:29
estate
8:30
books
8:30
to
8:30
market.
8:31
One
8:31
is
8:31
the
8:31
full
8:32
book
8:32
and
8:33
then
8:33
the
8:33
supporting
8:34
workbook
8:34
that
8:35
went
8:35
along
8:35
with
8:35
that.
8:36
So
8:36
that
8:36
was
8:36
fun.
8:37
I
8:37
knew
8:37
what
8:38
self
8:38
publishing
8:39
was
8:39
all
8:39
about,
8:40
but
8:40
I
8:40
certainly
8:41
had
8:41
not
8:41
taken
8:42
it
8:42
to
8:42
the
8:43
point
8:43
of
8:43
thinking
8:44
about
8:44
doing
8:45
children's
8:45
books.
8:46
My
8:46
next
8:46
question
8:47
for
8:47
you
8:48
is
8:49
you
8:50
knew
8:50
you
8:50
had
8:50
to
8:50
do
8:51
something
8:52
besides
8:53
trying
8:53
to
8:53
be
8:53
a
8:54
starving
8:55
author.
8:56
Yeah.
8:57
You
8:57
had
8:57
to
8:57
support
8:58
your
8:58
habit,
8:58
is
8:59
that
8:59
correct?
9:00
That
9:00
is
9:00
very
9:00
true.
9:01
That's
9:01
still
9:01
true.
9:02
Still
9:02
true.
9:03
So
9:04
I,
9:04
I
9:04
know
9:05
that
9:06
as
9:06
a
9:06
graphic
9:07
artist.
9:07
So
9:07
explain
9:08
to
9:08
us
9:08
because
9:09
today
9:09
we're
9:09
going
9:09
to
9:09
be
9:10
talking
9:10
a
9:10
lot
9:10
about
9:11
book
9:12
formatting.
9:12
Because
9:13
I
9:13
think
9:13
that's
9:13
the
9:14
biggest
9:14
mystery
9:15
that
9:15
most
9:15
people
9:16
have
9:17
is
9:18
they,
9:18
they
9:19
just
9:19
don't
9:19
understand
9:20
that
9:20
part
9:20
of
9:20
it.
9:21
Like
9:21
I
9:21
said
9:21
earlier,
9:22
it
9:22
causes
9:22
delays,
9:23
it
9:23
causes
9:24
unnecessary
9:25
expenses,
9:26
and
9:27
it
9:27
really
9:28
can
9:29
be
9:29
quite
9:30
an
9:30
expensive
9:31
venture
9:31
when
9:31
it
9:32
doesn't
9:32
have
9:32
to
9:32
be.
9:33
Explain
9:33
to
9:34
us
9:34
why
9:35
did
9:35
you
9:35
decide
9:36
to
9:36
learn
9:36
how
9:36
to
9:36
be
9:37
a
9:37
book
9:37
formatter
9:38
and
9:38
learn
9:38
all
9:38
the
9:39
processes
9:39
that
9:40
go
9:40
behind
9:40
that?
9:41
Two
9:41
reasons.
9:42
There's
9:43
two
9:43
main
9:43
types
9:44
of
9:44
designers,
9:44
and
9:46
as
9:46
technology
9:47
progresses,
9:47
the
9:47
roles
9:48
have
9:48
merged.
9:48
But
9:49
back
9:49
at
9:49
the
9:49
time,
9:50
there
9:50
was
9:50
print
9:50
design
9:51
and
9:51
digital
9:52
web
9:52
designers.
9:53
So
9:54
with
9:54
print
9:54
design,
9:55
you're
9:55
designing
9:56
everything
9:56
under
9:57
the
9:57
sun,
9:57
from
9:57
brochures
9:58
to
9:58
textbooks
9:59
to
10:00
novels
10:00
to
10:01
anything
10:02
really.
10:02
That
10:02
was
10:03
just
10:03
a
10:03
skill
10:03
I
10:03
ended
10:03
up
10:04
learning
10:04
was
10:04
formatting
10:05
text
10:05
while
10:06
I
10:06
was
10:06
in
10:06
college
10:07
and
10:08
doing
10:08
projects
10:09
for
10:09
clients
10:09
after
10:10
I
10:10
graduated
10:11
for
10:11
my
10:11
own
10:12
writing
10:12
too.
10:12
I
10:12
knew
10:13
I
10:13
had
10:13
the
10:13
skills
10:14
to
10:15
format
10:16
all
10:16
this
10:16
and
10:17
I
10:17
figured
10:18
I
10:18
could
10:18
do
10:18
it
10:18
myself.
10:19
So
10:19
I
10:20
too
10:20
went
10:20
self
10:20
publishing
10:21
for
10:21
a
10:21
lot
10:22
of
10:22
my
10:22
works
10:23
and
10:23
totally
10:24
agree
10:24
on
10:24
the
10:25
formatting
10:26
bit
10:26
that
10:26
authors
10:27
tend
10:27
to
10:27
forget
10:28
because
10:28
it's
10:28
not
10:29
something
10:30
that
10:30
makes
10:31
sense
10:31
when
10:31
you're
10:32
trying
10:32
to
10:32
write
10:32
the
10:32
story
10:33
and
10:33
you're
10:33
trying
10:33
to
10:33
get
10:33
those
10:34
words
10:34
down
10:34
in
10:35
any
10:35
way
10:35
you
10:35
can.
10:36
So
10:36
you've
10:37
got
10:37
all
10:37
sorts
10:38
of
10:38
different
10:38
applications
10:39
everywhere
10:39
that
10:40
you're
10:40
writing
10:40
on
10:40
your
10:40
phone,
10:41
you're
10:41
writing
10:41
on
10:41
your
10:42
computer,
10:42
you're
10:43
taking
10:43
voice
10:43
memos
10:44
that
10:44
can
10:44
translate
10:45
text
10:46
and
10:47
all
10:47
these
10:47
different
10:48
softwares
10:49
will
10:50
apply
10:50
their
10:51
own
10:51
formatting.
10:52
And
10:52
then
10:52
you
10:52
try
10:53
to
10:53
essentially
10:54
Frankenstein
10:54
it
10:55
together.
10:55
So
10:55
you've
10:56
got
10:56
all
10:56
this
10:56
text
10:56
in
10:57
different
10:57
sizes
10:57
and
10:58
they
10:58
hide
10:58
a
10:59
lot
10:59
of
10:59
styles
10:59
too.
11:00
So
11:00
when
11:00
you
11:00
go
11:00
to
11:00
try
11:00
and
11:01
format
11:01
it,
11:02
a
11:02
lot
11:02
of
11:02
people
11:02
get
11:03
confused
11:03
why
11:03
their
11:04
book
11:04
looks
11:04
Strange
11:04
in
11:05
ebook
11:05
format
11:06
or
11:06
print
11:07
and
11:07
they
11:08
scratch
11:08
their
11:08
head
11:08
on
11:09
how
11:09
to
11:09
do
11:09
it
11:10
after
11:10
the
11:10
fact.
11:10
But
11:11
because
11:11
there's
11:11
so
11:12
many
11:12
moving
11:12
parts
11:13
in
11:13
making
11:13
your
11:14
own
11:14
book
11:15
and
11:15
publishing
11:15
it,
11:16
that
11:16
one
11:16
tends
11:17
to
11:17
slip
11:17
through
11:17
the
11:17
cracks
11:18
because
11:18
it's
11:18
not
11:19
at
11:19
first
11:20
it
11:20
doesn't
11:20
appear
11:20
as
11:21
loud
11:21
as
11:22
some
11:22
of
11:22
the
11:22
other
11:22
hard
11:23
setting
11:23
ones.
11:24
Like
11:24
you
11:24
need
11:24
an
11:24
ISBN
11:25
or
11:25
a
11:25
cover.
11:26
Okay,
11:27
I
11:27
want
11:27
to
11:28
just
11:28
talk
11:28
a
11:28
little
11:28
bit
11:28
because
11:29
we're
11:29
going
11:29
to
11:29
get.
11:29
We're
11:29
going
11:30
to
11:30
really
11:30
get
11:31
deeper
11:31
into
11:31
the
11:32
whole
11:32
book
11:33
formatting
11:34
process.
11:34
But
11:35
before
11:35
we
11:35
do
11:36
that,
11:36
I
11:36
want
11:36
to
11:36
talk
11:37
briefly
11:37
about
11:37
the
11:38
graphic
11:38
design
11:39
part
11:39
of
11:39
the
11:39
business.
11:40
Because
11:41
as
11:41
a
11:42
graphic
11:42
designer,
11:43
the
11:43
thing
11:44
that
11:44
Khan
11:44
has
11:44
helped
11:45
us
11:45
do
11:46
is
11:46
that
11:46
he's
11:47
helped
11:47
us
11:47
design
11:48
multiple
11:49
book
11:50
covers
11:51
and
11:52
actually
11:52
helped
11:53
us
11:53
even
11:53
design.
11:54
When
11:54
you're
11:55
looking
11:55
at
11:55
the
11:55
Adventures
11:56
in
11:56
the
11:56
Heart
11:57
of
11:57
Children's
11:57
Book
11:57
author
11:58
podcast
11:59
cover,
12:00
Kahn
12:00
designed
12:01
that.
12:01
He's
12:02
done
12:02
a
12:02
lot
12:02
of
12:02
designing
12:03
for
12:03
us.
12:03
Before
12:03
we
12:04
move
12:04
into
12:04
the
12:04
inside
12:05
of
12:05
the
12:05
book
12:05
and
12:06
the
12:06
formatting,
12:07
I
12:07
want
12:07
to
12:07
talk
12:08
to
12:08
you
12:08
about
12:09
the
12:10
front
12:10
cover,
12:11
back
12:11
cover
12:12
and
12:12
spine,
12:13
primarily
12:14
on.
12:15
Let's
12:15
start
12:15
with
12:15
a
12:16
soft
12:16
cover
12:16
children's
12:17
book
12:17
first.
12:18
Jump
12:19
right
12:19
in
12:19
and
12:19
just
12:20
tell
12:20
us
12:20
a
12:20
bit
12:20
about
12:21
how
12:22
you
12:22
would
12:22
go
12:22
about
12:23
helping
12:23
someone
12:24
design
12:24
their
12:24
children's
12:25
book.
12:26
Front
12:26
cover.
12:27
Yeah,
12:27
yeah.
12:28
When
12:28
someone
12:29
comes
12:29
to
12:29
me
12:29
and
12:30
they
12:30
have
12:30
the
12:30
book
12:31
made
12:31
and
12:31
ready
12:31
to
12:32
go,
12:32
I
12:33
usually
12:34
ask
12:34
them
12:35
do
12:35
they
12:36
work
12:36
with
12:36
an
12:36
illustrator?
12:37
Because
12:37
that's.
12:38
Those
12:38
roles
12:38
tend
12:38
to
12:38
get
12:39
Model
12:40
2
12:40
as
12:40
we
12:40
were
12:40
talking
12:41
about
12:41
web
12:41
designing
12:42
and
12:42
print
12:43
designing
12:43
than
12:43
illustrators
12:44
because
12:44
some
12:44
illustrators
12:45
will
12:46
actually
12:46
design
12:46
too.
12:47
And
12:48
not
12:48
all
12:48
designers
12:49
are
12:49
illustrators.
12:50
So
12:50
I
12:51
try
12:51
to
12:51
figure
12:51
out
12:51
where
12:52
they're
12:52
at,
12:52
who
12:53
they're
12:53
working
12:53
with,
12:54
if
12:54
they
12:55
usually
12:55
with
12:55
children's
12:56
books,
12:56
they
12:56
have
12:56
illustrations.
12:57
So
12:58
I
12:58
find
12:58
if
12:59
they
12:59
want
12:59
to
12:59
know
12:59
if
13:00
they
13:00
have
13:00
a
13:01
custom
13:01
illustration
13:02
for
13:02
the
13:02
COVID
13:02
or
13:03
for
13:03
sourcing
13:04
something
13:04
from
13:04
the
13:05
inside
13:05
of
13:05
the
13:05
book.
13:06
Pick
13:06
up
13:06
on
13:06
that
13:07
for
13:07
one
13:07
second.
13:07
So
13:08
just
13:08
so
13:08
everyone
13:09
understands
13:09
and
13:09
that
13:10
that's
13:10
part
13:11
of
13:11
the
13:11
purpose
13:11
of
13:11
today
13:12
having
13:12
K
13:12
on
13:13
as
13:13
a
13:13
guest
13:14
is
13:15
that
13:15
is
13:16
something
13:16
that
13:16
I
13:16
will
13:17
always
13:17
say
13:18
to
13:19
people
13:19
interested
13:20
in
13:20
publishing
13:20
a
13:21
children's
13:21
book
13:22
is
13:22
when
13:22
you
13:23
come
13:23
to
13:23
K
13:23
or
13:24
you
13:24
come
13:24
to
13:24
someone
13:24
who's
13:25
a
13:25
book
13:26
formatter
13:27
and
13:27
even
13:28
cover
13:29
designer
13:29
for
13:30
front,
13:30
back
13:31
and
13:31
possibly
13:32
the
13:32
spine.
13:33
The
13:33
first
13:33
thing
13:33
you
13:34
need
13:34
to
13:34
do
13:34
is
13:35
have
13:36
your
13:36
words
13:37
edited
13:37
and
13:38
have
13:38
your
13:38
illustrations
13:39
done
13:40
because
13:41
then
13:41
it's
13:41
all
13:42
about
13:42
assembling
13:43
it
13:43
into
13:44
a
13:44
finished
13:45
self
13:45
published
13:45
book.
13:46
I
13:46
just
13:46
want
13:46
to
13:47
make
13:47
sure
13:47
that
13:47
everybody
13:48
understands
13:49
what
13:49
you
13:49
and
13:49
I
13:49
are
13:50
talking
13:50
about
13:50
because
13:51
like
13:51
you
13:51
said,
13:52
some
13:52
illustrators
13:53
are
13:54
also
13:55
Book
13:55
cover
13:56
designers.
13:57
And
13:58
so
13:58
it
13:58
can
13:58
get
13:58
muddled.
13:59
Yeah,
13:59
yeah.
14:00
And
14:00
that
14:00
was
14:00
a
14:00
real
14:00
good
14:01
point
14:01
about
14:01
having
14:01
the
14:02
book
14:02
edited.
14:02
And
14:03
we'll
14:03
talk
14:03
about
14:03
the
14:04
formatting.
14:04
And
14:05
often
14:06
what
14:06
authors
14:06
like
14:07
to
14:07
do
14:07
for
14:07
good
14:07
reason
14:08
is
14:08
get
14:09
the
14:09
front
14:09
cover
14:10
of
14:10
their
14:10
book
14:11
to
14:11
start
14:11
promoting
14:11
it
14:12
early
14:12
while
14:13
they're
14:13
even
14:13
still
14:14
working
14:14
on
14:14
the
14:14
book.
14:15
When
14:15
the
14:16
spine
14:16
specifically
14:17
is,
14:17
the
14:18
side
14:18
of
14:18
the
14:18
book
14:19
can
14:19
range
14:19
in
14:20
height
14:20
and
14:20
size,
14:21
because
14:21
if
14:22
the
14:22
book's
14:22
not
14:22
done
14:23
and
14:23
you
14:23
end
14:23
up
14:23
having
14:24
more
14:24
pages
14:24
and
14:25
the
14:25
spine
14:25
changes
14:25
size,
14:26
the
14:26
COVID
14:27
is
14:28
often
14:28
separated,
14:29
which
14:29
is
14:29
the
14:29
front
14:30
separated
14:31
as
14:31
a
14:31
separate
14:32
project
14:32
than
14:33
the
14:33
spine
14:34
and
14:34
the
14:34
back,
14:34
because
14:35
you
14:35
can
14:35
use
14:36
the
14:36
COVID
14:36
for
14:37
promoting
14:37
for
14:37
the
14:38
ebook
14:38
and
14:39
then
14:39
ultimately
14:40
the
14:40
softcover
14:40
book
14:41
and
14:41
if
14:41
you
14:41
choose
14:41
other
14:42
formats.
14:43
To
14:43
Kahn's
14:44
point,
14:44
Khan
14:45
helped
14:45
us
14:45
design
14:46
the
14:47
COVID
14:47
of
14:47
our
14:48
second
14:49
book,
14:49
which
14:50
we've
14:50
had
14:50
on
14:51
our
14:51
website
14:51
for
14:52
probably
14:52
about
14:53
eight
14:53
months
14:53
now,
14:54
promoting
14:55
that.
14:55
We're
14:55
going
14:55
to
14:56
actually
14:56
launch
14:56
it
14:57
in
14:57
the
14:57
summer
14:57
of
14:58
2025.
14:59
Again,
14:59
to
14:59
pick
15:00
up
15:00
on
15:00
what
15:00
you
15:00
were
15:01
talking
15:01
about
15:02
is
15:03
how
15:03
do
15:03
you.
15:04
Why
15:04
would
15:04
you
15:04
do
15:05
that?
15:05
How
15:05
do
15:05
you
15:06
use
15:06
it?
15:06
You
15:07
can
15:07
use
15:07
it
15:07
for
15:08
promotional
15:08
reasons.
15:09
And
15:10
it
15:10
helps
15:11
build
15:11
brand
15:12
awareness,
15:12
which
15:12
is
15:13
a
15:13
term
15:13
design
15:14
used
15:14
quite
15:14
a
15:14
bit.
15:15
And
15:16
as
15:16
you
15:16
mentioned,
15:16
Rick,
15:17
like
15:17
the
15:18
podcast
15:18
cover
15:19
for
15:19
this
15:19
show,
15:20
that
15:20
is
15:21
part
15:21
of
15:21
your
15:21
overall
15:22
brand.
15:23
And
15:23
a
15:23
designer
15:24
should
15:25
help
15:25
either
15:26
integrate
15:27
into
15:27
your
15:27
existing
15:28
brand
15:29
if
15:29
you're
15:29
working
15:30
with
15:30
them
15:30
for
15:30
the
15:30
first
15:31
time
15:31
and
15:31
you've
15:31
got
15:31
other
15:32
books
15:32
published
15:33
and
15:33
an
15:34
established
15:34
author
15:34
brand,
15:35
or
15:35
help
15:35
you
15:35
from
15:35
the
15:36
beginning
15:36
and
15:37
build
15:38
that
15:38
brand.
15:39
You
15:39
can
15:39
succeed
15:40
as
15:40
an
15:40
author
15:40
and
15:40
have
15:40
a
15:41
visual
15:41
identity
15:42
that
15:42
people
15:43
will
15:43
start
15:43
to
15:43
recognize.
15:44
Oh,
15:45
this
15:45
particular
15:45
typeface,
15:46
this
15:46
particular
15:47
color
15:48
is
15:48
seen
15:48
throughout
15:49
all
15:49
of
15:50
the
15:50
books
15:50
and
15:51
promotional
15:52
material
15:52
like
15:52
websites
15:53
and
15:54
if
15:54
you
15:54
have
15:54
business
15:54
cards,
15:55
I
15:55
just
15:55
want.
15:55
To
15:55
pick
15:56
up
15:56
on
15:56
that.
15:56
And
15:56
it's
15:57
funny
15:57
because
15:57
yesterday
15:58
I
15:58
was
15:58
talking
15:59
to
15:59
some
15:59
students
15:59
and
16:00
we
16:00
were
16:00
talking
16:00
about
16:00
the
16:01
art
16:01
of
16:01
storytelling.
16:02
And
16:02
one
16:03
of
16:03
the
16:03
things
16:03
that
16:03
I
16:04
said
16:04
to
16:04
these
16:05
students
16:05
was,
16:06
we
16:07
always
16:07
begin
16:07
with
16:08
the
16:08
end
16:08
in
16:08
mind.
16:09
So
16:09
what's
16:09
the
16:10
end
16:10
of
16:10
the
16:10
story?
16:11
And
16:11
so
16:12
that
16:12
was
16:12
the
16:13
same
16:13
thing
16:13
when
16:14
we
16:14
developed
16:14
our
16:15
brand
16:15
and
16:16
Koan
16:16
actually
16:17
designed
16:18
our
16:18
brand's
16:19
banner.
16:20
So
16:20
we
16:20
have
16:20
a
16:20
banner
16:21
that
16:21
says,
16:21
and
16:22
for
16:22
those
16:23
who
16:23
are.
16:24
Don't
16:24
have.
16:24
Who
16:25
are
16:25
listening
16:25
to
16:25
the
16:25
audio,
16:26
we
16:26
have
16:26
a
16:27
banner
16:27
on
16:27
the
16:28
front
16:28
of
16:28
our
16:28
book
16:28
and
16:28
it
16:29
says
16:29
the
16:29
Adventures
16:29
of
16:30
Caboose
16:30
the
16:31
Rocky
16:31
Mountain
16:31
Bear.
16:32
And
16:33
that's.
16:33
So
16:33
that's
16:33
our
16:33
branding
16:34
banner.
16:34
And
16:35
then
16:35
if
16:35
you
16:36
look
16:36
our
16:36
second
16:37
book
16:37
cover,
16:38
we
16:38
do
16:39
again,
16:40
the
16:40
book
16:40
is
16:40
called
16:41
Hijinks
16:41
from
16:41
the
16:42
Big
16:42
Head
16:42
Folk
16:43
Music
16:43
Festival.
16:44
But
16:44
we
16:44
do
16:45
have
16:45
it
16:45
right
16:45
at
16:45
the
16:46
top
16:46
of
16:46
the
16:46
book.
16:47
Our
16:47
banner,
16:47
the
16:48
Adventures
16:48
of
16:48
Caboose,
16:49
the
16:49
Rocky
16:49
Mountain
16:50
Bear.
16:50
Because
16:50
all
16:51
of
16:51
our
16:51
books
16:52
will
16:53
carry
16:53
on
16:53
that
16:53
theme.
16:54
The
16:54
Adventures
16:55
of
16:55
Caboose.
16:56
So
16:56
anyways,
16:57
I
16:57
just
16:57
wanted
16:58
to
16:58
show
16:58
people
16:59
and
16:59
tell
17:00
people
17:01
some
17:01
of
17:01
the
17:01
things
17:01
that
17:02
you're
17:02
talking
17:02
about.
17:03
Yeah,
17:04
yeah.
17:05
So
17:05
with
17:05
a
17:05
soft
17:06
cover
17:06
book,
17:07
the
17:07
COVID
17:07
is
17:07
the
17:07
first
17:08
thing
17:08
to
17:08
work
17:08
with.
17:09
And
17:09
as
17:09
the
17:10
examples
17:10
each
17:10
showed,
17:11
those
17:12
worked
17:12
with
17:13
an
17:13
illustrator
17:14
who
17:14
had
17:14
provided
17:15
an
17:15
illustration.
17:16
And
17:16
a
17:16
designer
17:17
applies
17:18
the
17:18
type
17:19
and
17:19
make
17:19
sure
17:20
the
17:20
type
17:20
works
17:20
with
17:21
the
17:21
illustration.
17:22
Because
17:23
too
17:23
often
17:24
type
17:24
can
17:25
not
17:26
work
17:26
with
17:26
a
17:27
illustration
17:27
by
17:28
it
17:28
gets
17:28
all
17:29
muddled
17:29
and
17:29
you
17:29
can't
17:29
even
17:30
read
17:30
the
17:30
text.
17:30
So
17:30
a
17:31
designer
17:31
should
17:31
know
17:31
how
17:32
to
17:32
position
17:33
the
17:33
text
17:34
that
17:34
supports
17:35
the
17:36
genre,
17:37
because
17:37
each
17:38
character
17:38
within
17:39
a
17:39
typeface
17:40
really
17:40
has
17:40
their
17:41
own
17:41
personality
17:42
and
17:42
you
17:42
want
17:43
it
17:43
to
17:43
complement
17:43
the
17:43
story
17:44
and
17:45
you
17:45
want
17:45
it
17:46
to
17:46
be
17:46
visible
17:47
from
17:47
far
17:47
away
17:48
when
17:48
it's
17:48
small
17:49
on
17:49
a
17:49
screen,
17:50
because
17:51
often
17:51
sites
17:52
like
17:52
Amazon
17:52
or
17:52
Kobo
17:53
are
17:53
going
17:53
to
17:53
shrink
17:54
it
17:54
down
17:54
to
17:54
a
17:54
really
17:55
small
17:55
size.
17:56
So
17:56
you
17:56
want
17:56
the
17:56
text
17:57
to
17:57
still
17:57
be
17:57
visible
17:58
and
17:58
the
17:58
key
17:58
elements,
17:59
like
17:59
what's
18:00
represented
18:00
in
18:00
the
18:00
illustration.
18:01
Usually
18:02
a
18:02
designer
18:02
will
18:03
provide
18:03
a
18:03
couple
18:04
concepts
18:04
and
18:05
of
18:05
where
18:06
we
18:06
could
18:06
go
18:06
with
18:07
the
18:07
design
18:07
for
18:08
the
18:08
COVID
18:08
And
18:09
then.
18:09
And
18:09
I
18:09
guess
18:09
the
18:10
neat
18:10
thing
18:10
about
18:10
it,
18:11
Colin,
18:11
when
18:11
we're
18:12
talking,
18:12
especially
18:13
to
18:13
aspiring
18:14
children's
18:14
book
18:15
authors
18:15
who
18:15
are
18:15
going
18:15
to
18:16
maybe
18:16
publish
18:16
their
18:17
first
18:17
children's
18:18
book,
18:19
is
18:19
that
18:19
by
18:20
having
18:20
the
18:20
illustrations
18:22
and
18:22
giving
18:23
your
18:24
graphic
18:25
designer
18:25
who's
18:25
doing
18:26
the
18:26
front
18:27
cover
18:27
and
18:28
the
18:28
back
18:28
cover,
18:29
and
18:29
we'll
18:29
talk
18:29
about
18:30
the
18:30
spine
18:30
separately
18:32
when
18:32
you
18:32
already
18:33
have
18:33
illustrations,
18:34
what
18:35
it
18:35
does
18:35
is
18:36
it
18:36
can
18:36
lower
18:37
your
18:37
costs
18:38
because
18:39
then
18:39
the
18:40
graphic,
18:40
the
18:41
front
18:41
cover,
18:41
back
18:42
cover
18:42
designer
18:43
doesn't
18:43
have
18:43
to
18:43
recreate
18:44
the
18:44
wheel.
18:45
They
18:45
just
18:45
have
18:46
to,
18:46
as
18:46
Kohen
18:47
said,
18:48
look
18:48
at
18:48
what
18:49
illustration
18:50
conveys
18:51
the
18:51
message
18:51
and
18:52
how
18:52
they
18:52
can
18:52
fit
18:53
the
18:53
words,
18:54
the
18:54
type
18:55
onto
18:55
the
18:55
front
18:55
cover,
18:56
the
18:56
back
18:56
cover
18:56
to
18:57
make
18:57
it
18:57
work
18:57
best.
18:58
Yeah,
18:59
yeah.
19:00
And
19:00
if
19:00
you
19:00
don't
19:00
have
19:00
a
19:01
front
19:01
illustration,
19:02
that's.
19:03
Yeah,
19:03
that's
19:03
probably
19:04
your
19:04
first
19:04
step,
19:04
especially
19:05
with
19:05
children's
19:05
books,
19:06
because
19:06
it's
19:06
such
19:07
a
19:07
visual
19:07
component.
19:08
And.
19:10
Yeah,
19:10
then
19:10
you
19:11
and
19:11
your
19:11
designer
19:11
will
19:12
go
19:12
back
19:12
and
19:12
forth
19:12
with
19:13
revisions
19:13
as
19:13
needed.
19:14
Sometimes
19:14
it's
19:15
a
19:15
perfect
19:15
match
19:16
for
19:16
what
19:17
you
19:17
were
19:17
envisioning,
19:18
plus
19:19
the
19:19
right
19:19
target
19:19
market,
19:20
because
19:20
that's
19:20
something
19:21
that's
19:21
important
19:21
too,
19:21
is
19:22
differentiating
19:22
what
19:23
you
19:23
personally
19:24
want
19:24
with
19:25
what's
19:25
going
19:25
to
19:25
help
19:26
market
19:26
your
19:26
book
19:27
and.
19:28
And
19:28
knowing
19:28
where
19:29
you
19:29
want
19:29
to
19:29
go
19:29
with
19:30
your
19:30
book
19:30
as
19:30
well.
19:31
Because
19:31
if
19:31
it's
19:32
more
19:32
of
19:32
a
19:32
local
19:33
journey,
19:33
then
19:34
you
19:34
can
19:34
have
19:34
the
19:34
COVID
19:35
as
19:35
you'd
19:35
like.
19:36
But
19:36
if
19:36
it's
19:36
more,
19:37
if
19:37
you're
19:37
looking
19:37
to
19:37
make
19:38
sales,
19:38
then
19:38
that's
19:39
a
19:39
different
19:39
discussion.
19:40
And
19:40
the
19:40
designer
19:41
should
19:41
be
19:41
able
19:41
to
19:41
help
19:42
you
19:42
figure
19:42
that
19:43
out
19:43
through
19:43
some
19:43
market
19:44
research.
19:45
And
19:45
that's
19:46
basically
19:46
the
19:46
process
19:47
for
19:47
your
19:47
actual
19:47
front
19:48
cover.
19:48
And
19:49
then
19:49
you've
19:50
got
19:50
the
19:50
spine
19:50
and
19:51
the
19:51
back.
19:51
And
19:51
as
19:52
you
19:52
mentioned,
19:52
Rick,
19:52
you
19:53
should
19:53
have
19:53
your
19:53
book
19:54
fully
19:54
edited
19:54
and
19:55
ready
19:55
to
19:55
go.
19:56
And
19:57
making
19:57
a
19:58
soft
19:58
any
19:58
sort
19:59
of
19:59
physical
19:59
print
20:00
copy
20:00
of
20:00
the
20:00
book,
20:01
you
20:01
are
20:02
in
20:02
a
20:03
two
20:03
step
20:04
process.
20:04
It's
20:05
kind
20:05
of
20:05
like
20:05
a
20:05
chicken
20:05
and
20:06
the
20:06
egg
20:06
scenario
20:07
where
20:07
you
20:08
can
20:08
design
20:08
the
20:08
back
20:08
and
20:09
the
20:09
spine,
20:09
but
20:10
once
20:10
the
20:10
book
20:10
is
20:11
edited,
20:11
you
20:12
still
20:12
don't
20:12
know
20:12
how
20:12
many
20:13
pages
20:13
you
20:13
have
20:14
within
20:14
the
20:14
book
20:15
because
20:16
the
20:16
amount
20:16
of
20:17
pages
20:17
is
20:17
going
20:17
to
20:17
change
20:18
the
20:18
thickness
20:19
of
20:19
the
20:19
spine,
20:20
which
20:20
is
20:20
going
20:21
to
20:21
change
20:22
the
20:22
cost
20:22
of
20:22
printing
20:23
it
20:23
and
20:23
how
20:24
the
20:24
COVID
20:24
or
20:25
the
20:25
whole
20:25
book
20:25
itself
20:26
is
20:26
designed.
20:27
If
20:27
it's
20:27
a
20:27
real
20:27
thick
20:28
spine,
20:28
not
20:29
common
20:29
with
20:29
children's
20:30
books,
20:30
but
20:30
if
20:30
it
20:30
is,
20:31
that's
20:31
a
20:32
lot
20:32
of
20:32
real
20:33
estate
20:33
to
20:33
work
20:34
with
20:34
the
20:34
design.
20:34
And
20:35
if
20:35
you're
20:35
doing
20:35
something
20:35
that
20:36
doesn't
20:36
even
20:37
have
20:37
a
20:37
spine,
20:37
which
20:38
is
20:38
known
20:38
as
20:38
a
20:38
saddle
20:39
stitch,
20:39
for
20:40
much
20:40
thinner
20:41
books
20:41
that
20:42
have
20:42
a
20:42
shorter
20:42
page
20:43
count,
20:43
there
20:44
is
20:44
no
20:44
spine
20:44
at
20:45
all.
20:45
So
20:45
you're
20:45
just
20:45
working
20:46
with
20:46
the
20:46
front
20:46
and
20:46
back
20:47
and
20:47
just
20:47
to.
20:47
And
20:48
I
20:48
want
20:48
to
20:48
pick
20:48
up
20:48
on
20:49
what
20:49
you're
20:49
talking
20:49
about,
20:49
Colin.
20:50
Yes,
20:51
most
20:51
children's
20:52
books
20:52
are
20:53
32
20:54
pages.
20:55
Yeah,
20:55
that's
20:55
the
20:56
standard
20:56
fare.
20:57
Some
20:57
go
20:57
a
20:58
little
20:58
more
20:58
and
20:59
for
20:59
example,
20:59
ours
21:00
has
21:00
I
21:01
think
21:01
46
21:02
pages.
21:03
And
21:04
the
21:04
reason
21:04
I
21:05
mentioned
21:05
that
21:06
is
21:07
to
21:08
Corn's
21:09
point,
21:10
the
21:10
spine,
21:11
when
21:11
it
21:11
comes
21:12
to.
21:12
Even
21:12
when
21:12
you
21:13
have
21:13
a
21:13
children's
21:14
soft
21:14
cover
21:14
book
21:15
at
21:16
46
21:17
pages,
21:18
still
21:19
in
21:19
most
21:20
cases
21:20
you
21:20
would
21:20
not
21:21
even
21:22
think
21:22
about
21:23
any
21:23
design
21:24
or
21:24
not
21:24
the
21:25
design.
21:25
You
21:26
wouldn't
21:26
use
21:26
that
21:27
real
21:27
estate,
21:27
as
21:28
Kahn's
21:28
calling
21:28
it
21:29
to
21:29
do,
21:29
to
21:30
put
21:30
anything
21:30
on
21:31
it
21:31
other
21:31
than
21:32
to.
21:32
I
21:33
don't
21:33
know
21:33
what
21:33
this
21:33
technique's
21:34
called,
21:34
Kahn,
21:35
where
21:35
you
21:35
actually
21:35
wrap
21:36
the
21:36
graphics
21:37
around
21:37
the
21:37
book,
21:38
but
21:38
you
21:38
could
21:38
maybe
21:39
explain
21:39
that.
21:40
Yeah,
21:40
depends
21:41
on
21:42
the
21:43
illustration
21:44
and
21:44
the
21:45
type
21:46
used
21:46
on
21:46
the
21:47
front.
21:47
But
21:47
the
21:48
spine
21:48
and
21:48
the
21:48
back
21:49
act
21:49
as
21:50
complementary
21:51
highlights
21:52
to
21:52
the
21:52
front
21:52
because
21:53
your
21:53
front
21:53
is
21:54
essentially
21:54
your
21:54
poster
21:55
selling
21:55
the
21:55
book.
21:56
And
21:56
the
21:56
back
21:57
should
21:58
be
21:58
eligible
21:59
or
21:59
readable.
22:00
And
22:01
the
22:01
spine,
22:02
if
22:02
you
22:02
can
22:03
have
22:03
information
22:04
on
22:04
it.
22:04
So
22:04
like
22:04
when
22:04
it's
22:05
on
22:05
the
22:05
side
22:05
put
22:06
into
22:06
a
22:06
bookshelf,
22:07
you
22:07
can
22:07
see
22:07
it,
22:08
but
22:08
with
22:09
thinner
22:09
books,
22:09
not
22:10
always
22:10
possible.
22:10
But
22:11
yeah,
22:11
to
22:12
your
22:12
point,
22:12
with
22:12
the
22:13
front
22:13
and
22:13
back
22:14
and
22:14
spine,
22:14
you
22:15
want
22:15
all
22:15
three
22:15
of
22:15
those
22:16
to
22:17
complement
22:17
each
22:17
other.
22:18
So
22:18
if
22:18
the
22:18
illustration
22:19
on
22:19
the
22:19
front
22:20
has
22:20
let's
22:21
say
22:21
blue
22:22
text,
22:22
but
22:22
then
22:22
on
22:23
the
22:23
back
22:23
you've
22:23
got
22:23
a
22:24
bunch
22:24
of
22:24
other
22:24
colors
22:25
that
22:25
don't
22:25
match
22:26
the
22:26
blue
22:26
text
22:27
then
22:28
say
22:28
red,
22:29
green
22:29
and
22:29
pink.
22:30
And
22:30
there's
22:30
just
22:30
too
22:30
much
22:31
going
22:31
on.
22:31
Your
22:31
brand
22:32
is
22:32
going
22:32
to
22:32
start
22:32
to
22:33
fall
22:33
apart.
22:33
So
22:34
you
22:34
want
22:34
to
22:35
have
22:35
the
22:35
back,
22:36
whatever
22:36
is
22:36
used
22:37
on
22:37
the
22:37
front
22:37
to
22:38
match
22:38
in
22:38
the
22:38
back
22:38
and
22:39
the
22:39
designer
22:39
will
22:39
be
22:40
able
22:40
to
22:40
guide
22:40
you
22:40
through
22:41
that
22:41
process.
22:42
Okay.
22:42
And
22:43
it's
22:43
really
22:44
the,
22:44
it's
22:44
the
22:44
book
22:45
cover,
22:45
to
22:45
Karn's
22:46
point,
22:47
that
22:48
is
22:49
you
22:49
only
22:49
have
22:50
one
22:50
chance
22:51
to
22:51
make
22:52
a
22:52
good
22:52
impression
22:53
or
22:53
first
22:54
impression.
22:55
Yeah.
22:55
And
22:56
so
22:56
certainly
22:57
when
22:57
you're
22:58
looking
22:58
at
22:59
your
22:59
front
23:00
cover,
23:00
it's
23:01
critical
23:02
that
23:03
the
23:04
graphic
23:05
artist
23:05
that
23:05
you're
23:05
working
23:06
with
23:06
understands
23:07
exactly
23:07
what
23:08
you're
23:08
trying
23:08
to
23:08
convey.
23:09
And
23:09
hopefully
23:10
if
23:10
you've
23:10
had
23:11
the
23:11
illustrations
23:12
done
23:13
for
23:14
your
23:14
book,
23:15
it
23:16
doesn't
23:16
take
23:17
a
23:17
lot
23:18
of
23:19
research
23:20
to
23:20
understand
23:21
what
23:21
can
23:22
work
23:22
and
23:22
what
23:22
you're
23:23
trying
23:23
to
23:23
convey.
23:24
Yeah.
23:24
And
23:25
I
23:25
actually
23:25
would
23:25
like
23:25
to
23:26
add
23:27
a
23:27
note
23:27
to
23:27
that.
23:28
If,
23:28
when
23:29
you're
23:29
looking
23:29
for
23:29
a
23:29
designer,
23:30
whether
23:30
you're
23:31
finding
23:31
one
23:31
online
23:32
or
23:32
referred
23:33
to
23:33
one,
23:34
it's
23:34
a
23:34
two
23:35
way
23:35
interview.
23:35
So
23:36
when
23:36
you
23:36
meet
23:36
with
23:36
them,
23:37
you
23:37
want
23:38
to
23:39
see
23:39
their
23:39
portfolio
23:40
and
23:41
see
23:42
their
23:42
past
23:42
work,
23:43
what
23:43
they've
23:43
done
23:43
and
23:44
even
23:44
as
23:44
they
23:44
talk,
23:45
how
23:45
they
23:45
treat
23:46
you,
23:46
are
23:46
they
23:47
informative
23:47
or
23:47
are
23:47
they
23:48
just
23:48
wanting
23:49
to
23:49
get
23:50
a
23:50
price
23:50
and
23:51
budget
23:51
timeline
23:52
and
23:52
basically
23:53
treat
23:53
as
23:53
a
23:53
project
23:53
and
23:54
move
23:54
on?
23:54
And
23:55
those
23:55
are
23:56
some
23:56
things
23:56
to
23:56
note
23:57
because
23:57
they
23:58
should
23:58
offer
23:59
some
24:00
insight
24:00
into
24:01
the
24:02
specialty
24:02
you're
24:03
looking
24:03
for.
24:03
Because
24:03
graphic
24:04
design
24:04
is
24:04
a
24:04
very
24:05
broad
24:05
industry
24:06
with
24:07
a
24:07
lot
24:07
of
24:07
niche
24:08
specialties
24:08
like
24:09
product.
24:09
Graphic
24:10
designers
24:10
that
24:10
do
24:11
labels
24:11
and
24:12
packaging
24:12
is
24:12
quite
24:13
different
24:13
from
24:13
someone
24:14
that
24:14
specializes
24:14
in
24:15
logos
24:15
and
24:15
branding
24:16
versus
24:17
a
24:17
book
24:18
cover
24:18
designer.
24:19
So
24:20
quite
24:20
the
24:20
wide
24:21
range.
24:21
And
24:21
they
24:22
also
24:22
bleed
24:22
over
24:23
like
24:23
illustrators
24:24
and
24:24
web
24:24
designers.
24:25
Absolutely.
24:26
And
24:26
you
24:26
know
24:26
what,
24:27
the
24:27
different
24:28
projects
24:29
and
24:29
Con,
24:29
I'm
24:30
so
24:30
happy
24:30
you
24:30
said
24:30
that
24:31
because
24:31
Con
24:32
and
24:32
I
24:32
have
24:32
worked
24:33
together
24:33
for
24:33
almost
24:33
10
24:34
years
24:34
and
24:35
the
24:35
things
24:35
that
24:36
I've
24:36
thrown
24:36
at
24:37
him
24:37
over
24:38
those
24:38
years
24:39
have
24:39
nothing
24:40
to
24:40
do
24:40
with
24:41
book
24:42
formatting
24:42
or
24:43
the
24:43
design
24:44
of
24:44
the
24:45
COVID
24:45
or
24:45
back
24:46
cover.
24:46
A
24:46
lot
24:46
of
24:47
times
24:47
it's
24:47
other
24:48
different
24:48
projects
24:48
like
24:49
podcast
24:50
cover
24:50
work.
24:51
And
24:52
I
24:52
know
24:52
we've
24:53
done
24:53
some
24:53
other
24:53
projects
24:54
together,
24:54
marketing
24:55
tools.
24:56
So
24:57
there's
24:57
all
24:57
kinds
24:57
of
24:58
things
24:58
that
24:59
you
24:59
don't
24:59
realize.
25:00
What
25:00
happens
25:00
when
25:00
you
25:01
start
25:01
working
25:01
with
25:01
someone
25:02
like
25:03
Khan,
25:03
who's
25:03
a
25:03
graphic
25:04
designer.
25:05
It's
25:05
almost
25:06
endless,
25:07
the
25:07
possibilities.
25:09
Oh
25:09
yeah,
25:10
yeah.
25:10
And
25:10
it's.
25:10
Yeah.
25:11
And
25:11
a
25:11
good
25:11
designer
25:12
should
25:12
be
25:12
looking
25:13
for
25:14
working
25:14
with
25:14
someone
25:15
long
25:15
Time
25:15
long
25:15
term
25:16
and
25:16
not
25:17
just
25:18
kind
25:18
of
25:18
a
25:18
contractor
25:19
that
25:19
wipes
25:19
their
25:19
hands
25:20
clean
25:20
at
25:20
the
25:20
end
25:20
of
25:21
the
25:21
day
25:21
and
25:21
moves
25:21
on.
25:22
That's
25:22
more
25:22
of
25:22
a,
25:23
often
25:23
a
25:23
fiverr
25:24
approach
25:24
that
25:25
quite
25:25
a
25:25
bit
25:25
on
25:25
those
25:26
types
25:26
of
25:26
sites.
25:26
So
25:27
just
25:27
to
25:27
be
25:27
wary,
25:28
it's
25:28
a
25:28
two
25:28
way
25:28
interview.
25:29
If
25:29
you're
25:29
looking
25:29
to
25:30
work
25:30
with
25:30
a
25:30
designer
25:30
long
25:31
term
25:31
with
25:31
your
25:32
work,
25:32
other
25:32
times
25:33
you're
25:33
just
25:33
looking
25:33
for
25:33
a
25:34
one
25:34
and
25:34
done
25:34
and
25:35
nothing
25:35
wrong
25:35
with
25:35
that.
25:36
Just
25:36
be
25:36
wary
25:36
that
25:37
you
25:37
might
25:37
not
25:37
get
25:38
that
25:38
personal
25:38
approach
25:39
for
25:40
sure.
25:41
So
25:41
let's
25:42
move
25:42
to
25:42
the
25:42
inside
25:43
of
25:43
the
25:43
book
25:44
now.
25:44
Yeah,
25:45
so
25:45
that.
25:46
So
25:46
like
25:46
I
25:47
said
25:47
to
25:47
everyone,
25:48
when
25:48
you're
25:48
coming
25:49
to
25:50
someone
25:50
as
25:51
a
25:51
book
25:51
formatter,
25:52
now
25:53
we're
25:53
going
25:53
to
25:53
move
25:53
to
25:54
the
25:54
inside
25:54
of
25:54
the
25:54
book.
25:55
So
25:55
now
25:55
you've
25:55
got
25:55
your
25:56
front
25:57
cover
25:57
design.
25:58
You've
25:58
got
25:59
in
25:59
most
25:59
cases
26:00
with
26:00
a
26:00
children's
26:00
book
26:01
you
26:01
don't
26:01
have
26:02
a
26:02
spine
26:02
or
26:03
you
26:03
do
26:03
have
26:03
a
26:03
spine,
26:04
but
26:04
it
26:04
generally
26:05
is
26:05
just
26:06
bleeding
26:07
the
26:07
front
26:08
cover
26:09
and
26:10
into
26:10
the
26:10
back
26:10
cover.
26:11
So
26:12
anyone
26:12
who's
26:12
watching
26:13
will
26:13
see
26:13
you
26:14
just
26:14
bleeding
26:15
the
26:15
spine
26:15
into
26:16
the
26:16
back
26:16
cover
26:16
from
26:17
the
26:17
front
26:17
cover.
26:18
So
26:18
now
26:19
we're
26:19
going
26:19
to
26:19
jump
26:19
into
26:20
the
26:20
inside
26:21
of
26:21
the
26:21
book
26:21
and
26:22
talk
26:22
about
26:23
that
26:24
whole
26:24
process.
26:25
And
26:25
I
26:25
think
26:25
that's
26:26
where
26:26
people
26:27
really
26:27
get
26:27
bogged
26:28
down
26:28
and
26:29
it
26:29
stops
26:30
them
26:30
right
26:30
in
26:30
their
26:31
tracks.
26:32
So
26:32
let's
26:33
jump
26:33
in
26:33
and
26:34
talk
26:34
about
26:35
generally
26:36
the
26:37
first
26:37
couple
26:37
of
26:38
pages
26:38
in
26:39
the
26:40
front
26:40
of
26:41
the
26:41
book
26:41
before
26:42
you
26:42
even
26:42
get
26:42
to
26:43
taking
26:44
the,
26:45
taking
26:45
your
26:46
story
26:46
and
26:46
your
26:46
illustrations
26:47
to
26:47
work.
26:48
So
26:48
what
26:48
would
26:49
you
26:49
recommend
26:49
there?
26:50
What
26:50
happens?
26:50
What's
26:51
the
26:51
process?
26:52
Yeah.
26:52
Oh
26:53
yeah,
26:53
that's
26:53
a
26:54
good
26:54
point.
26:54
And
26:54
I've
26:54
seen
26:55
other,
26:55
all
26:55
sorts
26:55
of
26:56
clients
26:56
that
26:57
have
26:57
come
26:57
to
26:57
me
26:57
from
26:58
other
26:58
genres
26:59
too
26:59
where
26:59
the
27:00
story's
27:00
written.
27:01
They're
27:01
very
27:01
happy
27:02
with
27:02
it.
27:02
They've
27:02
gone
27:02
through
27:02
the
27:02
whole
27:03
process.
27:03
It's
27:03
been
27:04
edited,
27:04
but
27:05
it's
27:05
missing
27:05
what's
27:06
known
27:06
as
27:07
front
27:07
and
27:08
back
27:08
matter.
27:09
Your
27:09
front
27:09
and
27:09
back
27:10
matter
27:10
in
27:10
your
27:10
book
27:11
are
27:11
extras
27:12
components
27:13
that
27:13
are
27:14
quite
27:14
important
27:15
to
27:15
clarify
27:16
information
27:17
about
27:18
you,
27:18
the
27:19
book
27:20
and
27:21
adds
27:21
a
27:21
personal
27:22
touch.
27:23
So
27:23
the
27:23
only
27:24
book
27:24
I
27:24
have
27:24
in
27:24
front
27:24
of
27:24
me
27:25
is
27:25
just,
27:25
it's
27:26
a
27:26
literary
27:26
guide,
27:27
but
27:27
just
27:28
wanted
27:28
to
27:28
check.
27:29
Yeah.
27:29
So
27:29
the
27:29
main
27:29
thing
27:30
you
27:30
usually
27:30
want
27:30
to
27:30
add
27:31
is
27:32
copyright
27:33
information.
27:34
Now
27:34
specifically
27:35
here
27:35
for
27:36
listeners
27:36
that
27:36
are
27:36
Canadian,
27:37
as
27:37
soon
27:37
as
27:38
you
27:38
write
27:38
something,
27:39
a
27:39
story,
27:39
it's
27:39
been
27:39
copywritten.
27:40
So
27:41
that's
27:41
information
27:42
that
27:42
you
27:42
can
27:42
just
27:42
put
27:43
on
27:43
the
27:43
book.
27:43
So
27:43
as
27:43
soon
27:44
as
27:44
you've
27:44
published
27:44
it,
27:45
that's
27:45
the
27:45
copyright
27:46
date,
27:46
2025,
27:48
whatever
27:48
the
27:49
date
27:49
may
27:49
be.
27:50
And
27:50
if
27:51
you
27:51
want
27:51
putting
27:51
like
27:52
a
27:52
disclaimer,
27:53
if
27:53
you
27:53
Want
27:53
some
27:53
people
27:54
will
27:54
do
27:54
that
27:54
saying,
27:54
this
27:55
is
27:55
all
27:55
fictional.
27:56
It's
27:56
the
27:56
author's
27:57
artistic
27:58
direction
27:58
stuff,
27:59
just
27:59
to
28:00
show
28:00
there's
28:01
no
28:01
ill
28:01
intent.
28:02
That's
28:02
something
28:02
that
28:02
you
28:03
could
28:03
look
28:03
at,
28:03
but
28:04
that's
28:04
just
28:04
one
28:04
example
28:05
of
28:05
front
28:06
matter.
28:06
Maybe
28:07
an
28:07
author's
28:07
note
28:08
is
28:08
another
28:08
one
28:09
mentioning
28:09
the
28:09
inspiration
28:10
that
28:10
tends
28:11
to
28:11
go
28:11
on
28:11
the
28:11
back
28:12
matter
28:12
sometimes,
28:13
too.
28:13
So
28:13
there's
28:14
depending
28:14
on
28:14
how
28:14
the
28:15
author
28:15
wishes
28:15
to
28:16
represent
28:17
their.
28:18
Their
28:18
book.
28:19
And
28:20
all
28:20
of
28:20
this
28:20
information
28:21
authors
28:21
tend
28:22
to
28:22
forget
28:22
about.
28:22
So
28:23
they're
28:23
ready
28:23
to
28:24
get
28:24
their
28:24
book
28:24
formatted
28:25
and
28:25
out
28:25
to
28:25
market,
28:25
and
28:26
they're
28:26
very
28:26
excited
28:26
because
28:27
it's
28:27
been
28:27
edited
28:27
and
28:27
they've
28:28
got
28:28
the
28:28
COVID
28:28
Everything's
28:29
fantastic.
28:29
But
28:30
pump
28:30
the
28:30
brakes
28:30
a
28:30
little
28:30
bit.
28:31
There's
28:31
a
28:31
few
28:31
extra
28:32
steps
28:32
you
28:32
need.
28:33
Absolutely.
28:34
And
28:34
I
28:34
just
28:34
want
28:34
to
28:35
pick
28:35
up
28:35
on
28:35
that
28:35
for
28:35
a
28:36
second,
28:36
because
28:37
the
28:37
nice
28:37
thing
28:38
about
28:38
it,
28:38
I
28:38
have
28:38
our
28:39
children's
28:39
book
28:39
in
28:39
front
28:40
of
28:40
front
28:40
of
28:40
me,
28:40
but
28:41
I
28:41
also
28:41
have
28:42
dozens
28:42
of
28:43
children's
28:43
books
28:44
behind
28:44
me.
28:44
But
28:45
to
28:45
Kahn's
28:46
point,
28:46
when
28:47
we
28:47
first
28:47
did
28:48
our
28:48
book
28:48
is
28:49
the
28:49
first
28:50
thing
28:50
we
28:50
had
28:50
was
28:51
just
28:51
inside
28:52
the
28:52
book.
28:52
As
28:53
you
28:53
opened
28:53
the
28:53
book,
28:54
what
28:55
happened
28:55
was
28:56
Kahn
28:57
did
28:57
a
28:57
beautiful
28:57
job,
28:58
but
28:58
it
28:58
was.
28:58
It's
28:58
black
28:59
and
28:59
white
28:59
print.
29:00
And
29:01
then
29:02
what
29:02
happened
29:03
was
29:04
we
29:05
through.
29:05
Through
29:06
talking
29:06
to
29:06
some
29:07
of
29:07
my
29:07
guests,
29:08
I
29:08
got
29:08
onto
29:08
the
29:09
idea
29:09
of
29:10
a
29:10
book
29:11
plate.
29:12
So
29:13
Con
29:13
and
29:13
I
29:14
discussed
29:14
this,
29:15
and
29:15
ultimately
29:16
both
29:16
of
29:16
us
29:17
embrace
29:17
this
29:17
idea
29:18
of
29:18
a
29:18
book
29:18
plate.
29:19
And
29:19
for
29:19
a
29:19
children's
29:20
book,
29:21
generally
29:21
what
29:22
happens
29:22
is
29:23
the
29:23
book
29:24
is
29:24
bought
29:24
as
29:24
a
29:25
gift.
29:26
Very
29:26
few
29:26
children
29:27
actually
29:27
go
29:28
buy
29:28
their
29:28
own
29:28
book.
29:29
And
29:30
so
29:30
the
29:30
neat
29:30
thing
29:30
about
29:31
a
29:31
book
29:31
plate,
29:32
it
29:32
just
29:32
is
29:32
an
29:32
area
29:33
where
29:33
in
29:34
our
29:34
book
29:34
it
29:34
says
29:34
this
29:35
book
29:35
belongs
29:36
to.
29:36
And
29:37
then
29:37
the
29:37
nice
29:38
thing
29:38
about
29:38
it,
29:38
whoever
29:39
bought
29:39
the
29:39
gift
29:39
can
29:40
write
29:40
the
29:41
child's
29:41
name
29:41
in
29:42
there,
29:42
and
29:42
they
29:42
can
29:42
also
29:43
leave
29:43
a
29:43
message.
29:44
And
29:45
so
29:45
it's.
29:45
It's
29:46
just
29:46
a
29:46
nice
29:46
little
29:47
touch.
29:47
So
29:48
again,
29:48
front.
29:49
I
29:50
actually,
29:50
you
29:50
might
29:51
as
29:51
well
29:51
call
29:51
it
29:51
front
29:52
matters,
29:53
because
29:54
it
29:54
does
29:54
matter.
29:55
Yeah,
29:55
that's
29:55
good.
29:56
Yeah.
29:57
So
29:57
anyway,
29:58
so
29:58
to
29:58
Kahn's
29:59
point,
29:59
if
29:59
you.
29:59
And
30:00
if
30:00
you
30:00
flip
30:00
the
30:00
page,
30:01
if
30:01
you
30:01
flip
30:01
the
30:02
front
30:02
of
30:02
our
30:03
book,
30:03
then
30:04
we
30:04
do
30:04
have,
30:05
as
30:05
Kahn
30:05
designed,
30:06
the
30:07
copyright.
30:08
And
30:08
then
30:08
it
30:09
lists
30:09
all
30:09
of
30:10
the
30:11
ISBNs,
30:12
and
30:13
it
30:13
also
30:13
lists,
30:14
if
30:14
there's
30:15
a
30:15
publishing
30:15
company
30:16
who
30:17
the
30:17
editor
30:17
is,
30:18
who
30:18
the
30:19
illustrator
30:19
is,
30:20
who
30:21
the
30:21
book
30:21
formatter
30:22
and
30:22
designer
30:23
is,
30:23
and
30:23
then
30:24
your
30:24
first
30:24
edition.
30:25
And
30:26
then
30:26
what
30:27
I
30:27
find,
30:27
and
30:28
I
30:28
just
30:28
wanted
30:28
to
30:28
mention
30:28
this,
30:29
Con,
30:29
because
30:29
I
30:29
see
30:30
this
30:30
so
30:30
often,
30:31
is
30:32
that's
30:33
where
30:33
you
30:33
should
30:33
be
30:34
putting
30:34
your
30:35
website
30:35
at
30:36
address.
30:37
And
30:37
I
30:38
find
30:38
most
30:39
children's
30:40
book
30:40
Authors,
30:40
especially
30:41
ones
30:42
that
30:42
are
30:42
doing
30:42
it
30:43
for
30:43
the
30:43
first
30:43
time,
30:44
do
30:44
not
30:45
have
30:45
their
30:46
website
30:47
anywhere
30:47
to
30:47
be
30:47
found
30:48
in
30:48
the
30:48
book.
30:49
A
30:49
lot
30:49
of
30:50
even
30:50
conventions
30:51
I've
30:51
done,
30:51
I've
30:51
seen
30:52
all
30:52
sorts
30:53
of
30:53
self
30:54
published
30:54
authors,
30:55
from
30:55
nonfiction
30:55
to
30:56
children's
30:56
to
30:56
genre,
30:57
don't
30:58
even
30:58
have
30:58
copyright
30:59
pages
31:00
and
31:00
all
31:00
that
31:01
information.
31:01
And
31:02
all
31:02
you
31:02
can,
31:02
all
31:02
you
31:03
have
31:03
to
31:03
do
31:03
is
31:03
look
31:03
at
31:03
one
31:04
of
31:04
the
31:04
traditional
31:04
published
31:05
books,
31:05
see
31:05
what
31:06
they're
31:06
doing
31:07
and
31:07
add
31:07
some
31:07
of
31:08
that
31:08
information.
31:08
It
31:09
really
31:09
ups
31:09
the
31:09
quality
31:10
of
31:10
your
31:10
book
31:11
and
31:11
helps
31:11
readers
31:12
find
31:12
more
31:12
information.
31:13
What
31:13
if
31:13
they
31:13
really
31:13
like
31:14
that
31:14
illustrator
31:14
and
31:15
they
31:15
want
31:15
to
31:15
see
31:15
their
31:15
other
31:16
work
31:16
or
31:17
want
31:17
to
31:17
go
31:18
to
31:18
your
31:18
website
31:18
as
31:18
you
31:18
mentioned
31:19
and
31:19
find
31:19
out
31:20
more?
31:20
And
31:21
the
31:21
other
31:21
thing
31:21
that
31:22
we
31:23
worked
31:23
on
31:23
with
31:23
Con
31:24
and
31:24
Con,
31:24
I
31:24
don't
31:24
know
31:25
if
31:25
this
31:25
was
31:25
your
31:25
idea
31:26
or
31:26
what
31:27
we
31:27
did,
31:27
but
31:27
we
31:27
actually
31:29
as
31:29
children's
31:30
book
31:30
authors,
31:31
we
31:31
actually
31:31
wrote
31:31
a
31:32
message
31:33
to
31:33
all
31:34
of
31:34
our
31:34
readers
31:35
and
31:35
it
31:36
says
31:36
hello,
31:37
mom,
31:37
dad,
31:38
grandma,
31:39
grandpa,
31:39
family
31:40
and
31:40
friends.
31:41
So
31:42
we
31:42
just
31:42
knew
31:43
that
31:43
our
31:43
children's
31:44
book
31:44
would
31:45
be
31:45
purchased
31:46
by
31:46
either
31:47
a
31:47
mom,
31:47
a
31:47
dad,
31:48
a
31:48
grandma,
31:49
a
31:49
grandpa,
31:49
family
31:50
or
31:50
friends.
31:51
So
31:51
it
31:51
just
31:51
made
31:52
sense
31:52
that
31:53
we
31:53
as
31:53
children's
31:54
book
31:54
authors
31:54
talk
31:55
to
31:55
them
31:56
and
31:56
told
31:56
us
31:57
a
31:57
little
31:57
bit,
31:58
told
31:58
them
31:58
a
31:59
little
31:59
bit
31:59
about
31:59
us.
32:00
Again,
32:00
I'm
32:01
not
32:01
saying
32:01
that
32:02
every
32:02
or
32:03
every
32:03
children's
32:04
book
32:04
author
32:04
has
32:05
to
32:05
do
32:05
that,
32:05
but
32:06
why
32:06
not
32:07
get
32:07
people
32:08
to
32:08
know
32:08
you
32:08
as
32:09
a
32:09
children's
32:09
book
32:09
author?
32:10
Yeah,
32:11
yeah.
32:11
And
32:11
books
32:11
are
32:12
such
32:12
a,
32:13
they're
32:13
such
32:13
a
32:13
personal
32:14
thing
32:14
for
32:15
however
32:15
you
32:16
choose
32:16
or
32:16
why
32:16
you're
32:16
making
32:17
a
32:17
book,
32:17
there's
32:17
still
32:18
that
32:18
personal
32:18
touch.
32:19
And
32:19
adding
32:20
that
32:20
extra
32:21
behind
32:22
the
32:22
scenes
32:22
essentially
32:23
is
32:23
end
32:23
up
32:24
a
32:24
special
32:24
message
32:25
says
32:25
a
32:25
lot
32:26
and
32:26
not
32:26
everyone
32:27
will
32:27
read
32:27
it
32:27
and
32:27
that's
32:27
totally
32:28
fine.
32:28
But
32:28
you're,
32:29
you
32:29
want
32:29
it
32:29
for
32:30
those
32:30
that
32:30
are
32:30
willing
32:31
to
32:32
read
32:32
it
32:32
and
32:33
they
32:33
take
32:33
their
32:33
time
32:34
and
32:34
want
32:34
to
32:34
know
32:34
more
32:35
about
32:35
the
32:35
author
32:35
and
32:36
the
32:36
people
32:36
behind
32:37
the
32:37
book.
32:37
That's
32:38
a
32:38
nice
32:38
touch
32:39
to
32:39
add.
32:40
And
32:40
I
32:40
want
32:41
to
32:41
circle
32:41
back
32:41
to
32:42
that
32:42
book
32:43
plate
32:43
you
32:43
mentioned.
32:44
That's
32:44
usually.
32:45
Yeah,
32:45
like
32:45
the
32:45
front
32:46
of.
32:47
As
32:47
soon
32:47
as
32:47
you
32:47
open
32:47
the
32:48
book,
32:48
you
32:48
often
32:48
see
32:49
the
32:49
title
32:49
reiterated.
32:50
That
32:50
is
32:51
on
32:51
the
32:51
front
32:52
cover
32:52
design
32:53
in
32:53
black
32:53
and
32:54
white.
32:54
So
32:55
the
32:55
COVID
32:55
should
32:55
work,
32:56
the
32:56
title
32:57
text
32:58
choice
32:58
should
32:58
work
32:59
in
32:59
color
32:59
and
32:59
black
33:00
and
33:00
white.
33:01
And
33:02
often
33:02
with
33:02
books
33:03
you'll
33:03
see
33:03
there's
33:04
a
33:04
lot
33:04
of
33:04
white
33:05
space
33:05
and
33:05
the
33:06
page
33:06
is
33:06
blank,
33:07
but
33:07
it'll
33:07
show
33:07
the
33:07
author
33:08
and
33:08
the
33:08
title
33:09
on
33:09
that
33:09
first
33:09
page.
33:10
That
33:10
empty
33:11
space
33:11
is
33:11
really
33:12
handy
33:12
for
33:12
whether
33:12
it's
33:13
a
33:13
book
33:13
plate,
33:13
which
33:14
is
33:14
a
33:14
sticker
33:15
that
33:15
authors
33:16
can
33:16
sign,
33:16
or
33:17
if
33:17
you're
33:17
actually
33:18
at
33:18
A
33:18
signing,
33:18
and
33:18
you're
33:19
signing
33:19
it
33:20
yourself.
33:20
Sometimes
33:21
authors
33:21
will
33:21
use
33:21
the
33:22
back
33:22
inside
33:23
of
33:23
the
33:24
book,
33:24
which
33:24
is
33:25
the
33:25
left
33:25
side,
33:26
as
33:26
soon
33:26
as
33:26
you
33:26
open
33:26
it.
33:27
But
33:27
sometimes
33:28
you
33:28
want
33:28
to
33:28
leave
33:28
that
33:28
blank
33:29
and
33:29
just
33:29
put
33:29
it
33:29
right
33:30
on
33:30
that
33:30
first
33:30
page.
33:31
So
33:32
often
33:32
that
33:32
should
33:33
be
33:33
a
33:33
blank
33:33
section.
33:34
Exactly.
33:35
Exactly.
33:36
So
33:37
is
33:37
there
33:37
anything
33:38
else
33:38
in
33:38
the
33:38
front
33:38
matter
33:39
before
33:39
we
33:40
move
33:40
on
33:40
to
33:40
the
33:41
back
33:41
matter
33:41
that
33:41
you
33:42
see
33:42
is.
33:42
Important
33:43
for
33:44
children's
33:45
authors?
33:46
No,
33:47
that's.
33:47
Those
33:47
are
33:48
probably
33:48
some
33:48
of
33:48
your
33:48
main
33:49
ones.
33:50
And
33:50
you'd
33:51
always
33:51
be
33:51
surprised
33:52
what
33:52
authors
33:53
end
33:53
up
33:53
doing.
33:54
And
33:54
something
33:55
I'd
33:55
actually
33:55
recommend
33:56
to
33:57
authors
33:57
of
33:57
all
33:57
types
33:58
is
33:58
going
33:58
to
33:58
the
33:58
bookstore
33:59
and
34:00
do
34:00
some
34:00
market
34:00
research.
34:01
It's
34:01
fun
34:02
to
34:02
see
34:03
what
34:03
others
34:03
are
34:03
doing
34:04
and
34:04
flip
34:04
through
34:04
the
34:04
books
34:05
and
34:06
get
34:06
some
34:07
inspiration.
34:08
And
34:08
you
34:09
might
34:09
like
34:09
some
34:09
of
34:09
it
34:09
or
34:10
some
34:10
of
34:10
it
34:10
you
34:10
might
34:11
decide
34:11
that's
34:11
not
34:11
really
34:12
needed.
34:13
So,
34:13
yeah,
34:14
that
34:14
would
34:14
be
34:14
my
34:15
recommendation.
34:16
Okay.
34:17
And
34:17
so
34:18
let's
34:18
jump
34:18
to
34:19
the
34:19
back
34:19
matter.
34:20
Yeah.
34:21
Because
34:21
that
34:21
generally
34:22
is
34:22
a
34:22
lot
34:22
of
34:22
times
34:23
doesn't
34:24
get
34:24
any
34:24
attention
34:25
at
34:25
all.
34:26
No.
34:26
In
34:26
the
34:26
back
34:27
matter,
34:27
you
34:27
can
34:28
have
34:28
your
34:29
author
34:29
bio.
34:29
That's
34:30
handy.
34:30
And
34:31
you
34:31
can
34:31
have
34:32
a
34:32
sample
34:33
of
34:33
your
34:33
next
34:34
book.
34:34
So
34:35
this
34:35
is
34:35
where
34:35
you
34:36
have
34:36
to
34:36
almost
34:37
think
34:37
ahead.
34:37
Like,
34:37
you
34:37
put
34:38
all
34:38
the
34:38
work
34:38
into
34:38
finishing
34:39
your
34:39
book
34:39
and
34:39
you're
34:39
ready.
34:40
And
34:41
are
34:41
you
34:41
going
34:42
to
34:42
write
34:42
a
34:42
sequel
34:42
or
34:43
is
34:43
this
34:43
a
34:43
one
34:43
and
34:43
done?
34:44
And
34:44
this
34:44
is
34:44
starting
34:45
to
34:45
get
34:45
into
34:45
big
34:45
picture.
34:46
Thinking
34:46
of
34:47
your
34:47
author
34:47
career.
34:48
And
34:49
if
34:49
you
34:49
just
34:49
want
34:49
a
34:50
one
34:50
and
34:50
done,
34:51
great.
34:51
Your
34:51
book's
34:51
kind
34:52
of
34:52
finished
34:52
and
34:53
you
34:53
can
34:53
celebrate.
34:54
Thanks
34:54
for
34:54
the
34:55
readers,
34:55
maybe
34:56
leave
34:56
a
34:56
review.
34:57
But
34:58
if
34:58
you
34:58
do
34:58
plan
34:58
to
34:58
write
34:59
more,
34:59
it
34:59
is
34:59
a
35:00
nice
35:00
addition
35:01
to.
35:01
If
35:02
you
35:02
can
35:03
have
35:03
a
35:03
sample
35:04
of
35:04
chapter
35:05
one.
35:06
And
35:06
just
35:07
so
35:07
I
35:07
want
35:07
to
35:07
pick
35:08
up
35:08
on
35:08
that
35:08
con
35:09
because
35:09
again,
35:10
I
35:10
mean,
35:10
it's
35:11
been.
35:11
It's
35:12
going
35:12
on
35:12
two
35:12
years
35:13
since
35:13
we.
35:14
We
35:14
brought
35:14
our
35:15
book
35:15
to
35:15
life.
35:16
But
35:16
to
35:16
Kahn's
35:17
point,
35:17
we
35:18
decided
35:19
we
35:19
knew
35:19
what
35:19
our
35:20
second
35:20
book
35:20
was
35:20
going
35:21
to
35:21
be.
35:21
We
35:21
knew
35:21
we
35:21
were
35:22
writing
35:22
a
35:22
book
35:23
series
35:23
because
35:23
we've
35:24
actually
35:24
written
35:24
38
35:25
stories.
35:26
Now,
35:26
if
35:26
I
35:27
hit
35:27
the
35:27
jackpot,
35:28
I
35:28
probably
35:29
bring
35:29
them
35:29
all
35:29
to
35:29
life,
35:30
but
35:31
I
35:31
don't
35:32
buy
35:32
too
35:32
many
35:32
lottery
35:33
tickets.
35:33
To
35:33
Kahn's
35:34
point,
35:34
what
35:34
we
35:35
did
35:35
is.
35:35
We
35:35
actually
35:36
did.
35:36
Exactly.
35:37
Now,
35:37
remember,
35:38
when
35:38
Kahn's
35:39
talking
35:39
a
35:40
chapter,
35:40
he's
35:40
talking
35:40
more
35:41
like
35:41
a
35:41
chapter
35:41
book,
35:42
but
35:42
in
35:42
a
35:43
children's
35:43
book.
35:43
We
35:44
actually
35:45
put
35:45
the
35:45
first
35:45
couple
35:46
of
35:46
pages
35:47
of
35:47
our
35:48
next
35:48
book
35:49
into
35:50
our
35:51
first
35:51
book.
35:52
Teas
35:52
are
35:53
readers.
35:55
And
35:55
hopefully
35:55
have
35:56
them
35:56
support
35:57
our
35:57
next
35:57
book
35:57
when
35:57
it
35:58
came
35:58
out.
35:59
Yeah,
35:59
yeah.
36:00
And
36:00
that's
36:00
in
36:00
the
36:00
back
36:01
map.
36:01
Yeah,
36:02
yeah.
36:02
And
36:02
that
36:03
teaser
36:04
also
36:04
supports
36:05
the
36:05
following
36:06
bit
36:06
once
36:06
that
36:07
sample
36:07
is
36:07
done.
36:08
A
36:08
call
36:08
to
36:08
action.
36:09
Usually
36:09
a
36:10
call
36:10
to
36:10
action
36:11
can
36:11
be
36:11
as
36:12
simple
36:12
as
36:13
follow
36:13
the
36:13
author
36:14
online.
36:14
Sometimes
36:15
it
36:15
could
36:15
be
36:16
a
36:16
newsletter
36:17
subscription.
36:18
Yeah.
36:18
So
36:18
you
36:18
want
36:18
to
36:18
give
36:19
them
36:19
a
36:19
call
36:19
to
36:19
action,
36:20
leave
36:20
a
36:20
review.
36:21
So
36:22
they
36:22
aren't
36:22
just
36:22
left
36:23
hanging
36:23
at
36:23
the
36:23
end
36:24
of
36:24
the
36:24
book.
36:24
That's
36:25
usually
36:25
wraps
36:25
up
36:25
your
36:25
back
36:26
matter.
36:26
I
36:27
find,
36:27
is
36:28
that
36:28
when
36:28
we
36:28
were
36:29
designing
36:29
our
36:29
book,
36:30
we
36:30
are
36:30
trying
36:31
to
36:31
encourage
36:32
children
36:33
to
36:33
become
36:34
storytellers,
36:35
not
36:35
only
36:36
to
36:36
write
36:37
their
36:37
own
36:37
story.
36:38
In
36:38
our
36:38
back
36:39
of
36:39
our
36:39
book,
36:39
we
36:39
have
36:39
what
36:40
we
36:40
call
36:41
activity
36:41
pages
36:42
that
36:42
Kahn
36:43
designed.
36:43
And
36:44
there's
36:44
a
36:45
couple
36:45
of
36:45
pages
36:45
at
36:45
the
36:46
very
36:46
back
36:46
where
36:47
we
36:47
encourage
36:47
children
36:48
to
36:48
write
36:48
their
36:49
own
36:49
story.
36:50
And
36:50
then
36:51
we
36:51
also
36:52
have
36:52
a
36:53
couple
36:53
of
36:53
pages
36:54
where
36:54
we
36:54
have
36:54
picture
36:55
frames
36:55
where
36:56
we
36:56
have
36:56
you
36:57
sketch
36:57
out
36:57
your
36:57
story.
36:58
I've
36:58
also
36:59
seen.
37:00
I
37:00
had
37:00
a
37:00
gal
37:01
on
37:01
recently
37:01
who
37:02
talked
37:03
a
37:03
little
37:03
bit
37:03
about
37:04
going
37:05
outside
37:05
and
37:06
looking
37:06
for
37:06
bugs.
37:08
So
37:08
an
37:08
instructional.
37:09
So
37:09
I've
37:09
seen
37:10
instructional
37:11
things.
37:11
A
37:12
lot
37:12
of
37:12
the
37:12
authors
37:13
that
37:13
I'm
37:13
dealing
37:13
with
37:13
as
37:14
children,
37:14
book
37:14
authors,
37:15
our
37:15
former
37:16
teachers
37:16
or
37:17
our
37:17
teachers,
37:18
and
37:18
they
37:18
always
37:18
have
37:19
to
37:19
have
37:19
a
37:19
little
37:19
lesson
37:20
at
37:21
the
37:21
back
37:21
of
37:21
their
37:22
books.
37:22
And
37:22
I
37:22
think
37:22
that's
37:23
so
37:23
cute.
37:23
And
37:23
it
37:24
just.
37:24
But
37:24
it's
37:24
a
37:25
lesson
37:25
that
37:25
ties
37:25
into
37:26
the.
37:26
To
37:26
the
37:27
main
37:27
story.
37:28
Yeah.
37:29
And
37:29
that's
37:29
what
37:29
Kohen's
37:30
talking
37:30
about.
37:30
So
37:31
your
37:31
back
37:31
matter
37:32
can
37:32
be
37:32
just
37:32
blank
37:33
pages
37:33
or
37:33
your
37:34
back
37:34
matter
37:34
can
37:34
be
37:35
part
37:35
of
37:36
your
37:36
next
37:36
book
37:37
coming
37:37
out.
37:37
It
37:37
can
37:37
be
37:38
activity
37:38
pages.
37:39
It
37:39
can
37:40
be
37:40
instructional
37:40
pages.
37:41
It
37:41
can
37:41
be
37:42
a
37:42
multitude
37:43
of
37:43
things.
37:43
Yeah.
37:44
That
37:44
add
37:45
value.
37:45
Yeah.
37:46
Anything
37:46
you
37:46
want.
37:47
That's
37:47
where
37:47
you
37:47
get
37:47
to
37:48
really
37:48
get
37:48
creative.
37:49
And
37:49
again,
37:50
remember,
37:50
what
37:50
we're
37:51
talking
37:51
about,
37:51
folks,
37:52
is
37:52
that
37:52
we're
37:53
not
37:53
talking
37:53
about.
37:54
We're
37:54
just
37:54
talking
37:55
an
37:56
extra
37:56
four
37:57
pages
37:57
or
37:58
so.
37:58
In
37:59
terms
37:59
of
37:59
the
37:59
printing
38:00
costs,
38:00
I
38:00
don't
38:00
think
38:01
it
38:01
adds
38:01
a
38:01
lot
38:02
of
38:03
cost
38:03
to
38:03
the
38:03
print.
38:04
No.
38:04
And
38:05
with
38:05
printing,
38:06
this
38:06
is
38:06
where
38:07
you'd
38:07
have
38:07
to
38:07
consult
38:08
with
38:09
both
38:09
your
38:10
graphic
38:10
designer
38:10
and
38:11
your
38:12
chosen
38:12
print
38:12
shop.
38:13
And
38:13
that's
38:13
a
38:14
whole
38:14
other
38:15
topic.
38:15
But
38:16
usually
38:16
when
38:16
printing,
38:17
they
38:17
come
38:17
in
38:18
sets
38:19
of
38:20
four.
38:21
A
38:21
single
38:22
sheet
38:22
of
38:22
paper.
38:22
It's
38:22
a
38:23
whole
38:23
process.
38:23
But
38:24
anytime
38:24
you
38:24
add
38:25
pages,
38:26
it
38:27
essentially
38:27
adds
38:27
four.
38:28
We
38:28
can
38:28
talk
38:28
more
38:28
about
38:28
that
38:29
too,
38:29
if
38:29
you'd
38:29
like.
38:29
Okay.
38:30
Yeah.
38:30
So
38:30
let's
38:30
jump
38:31
into
38:31
the.
38:31
In
38:32
the
38:32
inside
38:33
of
38:33
the
38:33
book.
38:33
So
38:34
now
38:34
I've
38:34
come
38:34
to
38:34
you
38:35
and
38:36
I
38:36
say
38:36
con.
38:37
I
38:37
listened
38:37
to
38:38
your
38:39
podcast
38:39
episode
38:40
with
38:40
Rick,
38:41
and
38:41
I
38:42
have
38:42
my
38:42
edited
38:43
words
38:44
and
38:44
I
38:44
have
38:44
my
38:45
illustrations.
38:46
Now
38:46
what?
38:47
Now
38:48
that's
38:49
basically
38:49
assembling
38:50
it
38:50
all
38:50
from.
38:51
Yeah,
38:52
the
38:52
COVID
38:52
the
38:53
Spine,
38:53
the
38:53
back,
38:53
the
38:54
edited
38:54
words.
38:55
It
38:55
needs
38:55
to
38:55
be
38:56
formatted.
38:57
Either
38:57
the
38:57
designer,
38:58
they
38:59
should
38:59
know
38:59
or
39:00
if
39:00
you've
39:01
done
39:01
children's
39:01
books
39:02
before,
39:02
there
39:03
are
39:03
certain
39:03
standards
39:04
that
39:05
should
39:05
be
39:05
met
39:06
for
39:06
readability.
39:07
Unlike
39:08
books
39:08
for
39:09
adults,
39:10
the
39:10
children's
39:11
books,
39:11
they
39:11
need
39:12
to
39:12
be
39:12
a
39:12
larger
39:12
print.
39:13
The
39:13
type
39:14
so
39:14
it
39:14
can
39:14
be
39:15
red.
39:15
Color
39:16
needs
39:16
to
39:16
be
39:17
brought
39:17
into
39:17
consideration.
39:18
It
39:19
should
39:19
be
39:20
easy
39:20
for
39:20
people
39:21
and
39:21
kids
39:22
to
39:22
read
39:22
if
39:22
they're
39:23
colorblind.
39:24
So
39:25
just
39:25
some
39:25
things
39:25
that
39:25
need
39:26
to
39:26
be
39:26
thought
39:26
about
39:27
while
39:27
the
39:28
designer
39:29
is
39:29
preparing
39:30
to
39:30
format
39:31
the
39:31
interior.
39:32
Just
39:32
so
39:32
everyone
39:33
understands,
39:34
I'm
39:34
just
39:34
going
39:34
to
39:35
describe
39:35
a
39:35
couple
39:35
of
39:36
things
39:36
so
39:37
Khan
39:37
can
39:37
jump
39:37
on
39:38
it.
39:38
In
39:38
our
39:39
book,
39:39
we
39:39
actually
39:40
have
39:40
the
39:40
illustration
39:41
on
39:41
one
39:42
side
39:42
and
39:42
the
39:43
words
39:43
on
39:43
the
39:43
other
39:43
side.
39:44
So
39:44
the
39:44
illustrations
39:45
generally
39:46
are
39:46
on
39:46
the
39:46
right
39:46
side
39:47
and
39:48
the
39:48
words
39:49
are
39:49
on
39:49
the
39:49
left
39:50
side.
39:50
Now,
39:51
I
39:51
also
39:51
have
39:51
noticed
39:52
some
39:52
children's
39:53
book
39:53
authors.
39:54
Sorry,
39:54
I'm
39:55
turning
39:56
away
39:56
from
39:56
the
39:56
mic.
39:57
Some
39:57
children's
39:57
book
39:58
authors
39:58
will
39:59
actually
40:00
blend
40:01
the
40:01
illustrations
40:02
together.
40:03
Yep.
40:03
And
40:04
then
40:04
they'll
40:04
actually
40:05
put
40:05
the
40:05
words
40:06
on
40:06
both
40:06
pages.
40:07
Yeah.
40:08
I
40:08
think
40:09
Little
40:09
Critter
40:09
did
40:09
that
40:10
is
40:10
my
40:10
favorite
40:10
while
40:10
growing
40:11
up.
40:11
Everybody
40:12
does
40:12
it
40:12
different.
40:12
This
40:12
one
40:13
does
40:13
it
40:13
exactly
40:14
the
40:14
same
40:14
way
40:14
as
40:14
us.
40:15
So
40:15
just
40:16
explain
40:16
to
40:17
us
40:17
as
40:18
a.
40:18
When
40:18
you're
40:19
doing
40:19
the
40:19
book
40:19
formatting
40:21
and
40:21
it
40:22
must
40:22
be
40:22
easier
40:23
if
40:23
you're
40:23
just
40:24
putting
40:24
the
40:25
words
40:25
on
40:25
the
40:25
left
40:26
and
40:27
the
40:28
illustration
40:28
on
40:29
the
40:29
right.
40:29
Talk
40:30
to
40:30
us
40:30
about
40:30
that
40:30
and
40:31
then
40:31
talk
40:31
to
40:31
us
40:31
about
40:32
where
40:32
you
40:33
having
40:33
the
40:33
illustrations
40:34
be
40:35
on
40:35
both
40:35
sides
40:35
with
40:36
the
40:36
copy.
40:37
Yeah.
40:37
So
40:39
that
40:39
design
40:40
choice
40:41
usually
40:42
is
40:43
determined
40:43
by
40:44
how
40:45
long
40:45
the
40:45
story
40:45
is
40:46
and
40:46
how
40:47
many
40:47
illustrations
40:48
are
40:48
being
40:48
used.
40:49
And
40:49
as
40:49
we
40:50
had
40:50
briefly
40:50
talked
40:50
about,
40:51
these
40:51
books
40:51
are
40:52
usually
40:52
30
40:53
to
40:53
40
40:54
pages.
40:54
And
40:55
if
40:56
your
40:56
story's
40:56
shorter
40:57
and
40:57
if
40:57
you
40:57
have
40:58
fewer
40:59
illustrations,
41:00
the
41:00
direction
41:01
of
41:02
text
41:02
on
41:02
one
41:03
on
41:03
the
41:03
left
41:03
side,
41:04
illustration
41:04
on
41:04
the
41:05
right
41:05
can
41:05
help
41:06
increase
41:06
those
41:07
pages
41:08
and
41:09
also
41:09
readability.
41:09
That's
41:10
a
41:10
big
41:10
one.
41:10
That's
41:10
something
41:11
to
41:11
be
41:11
conscious
41:11
of.
41:11
If
41:12
illustrations.
41:13
And
41:13
you're
41:13
putting
41:14
the
41:14
text
41:14
right
41:15
into
41:15
the
41:15
illustrations.
41:16
The
41:16
designer
41:17
really
41:17
has
41:17
to
41:17
make
41:18
sure
41:18
that
41:18
it
41:18
can
41:19
be
41:19
read.
41:19
Illustrations
41:20
can
41:20
be
41:21
noisy
41:21
in
41:22
terms
41:22
of
41:22
visual
41:23
information.
41:24
But
41:24
an
41:25
illustrator
41:26
that
41:26
specializes
41:27
in
41:28
children's
41:29
books
41:30
is
41:30
also
41:31
wary
41:31
of
41:31
this.
41:32
I
41:32
would
41:32
imagine
41:33
even
41:34
the
41:34
color
41:34
of
41:35
the
41:35
lettering.
41:36
Because
41:36
I
41:37
noticed
41:37
sometimes
41:38
if
41:38
you
41:38
look
41:38
at
41:39
this
41:39
one,
41:39
and
41:39
I
41:40
just
41:40
mentioned
41:40
this,
41:41
is
41:41
that
41:42
almost
41:43
blends
41:43
into
41:43
the
41:43
same
41:44
color
41:45
as
41:45
the
41:45
background
41:46
of
41:46
the
41:46
book.
41:47
A
41:47
little
41:47
more
41:47
difficult
41:48
to
41:48
read.
41:49
Yeah.
41:49
Yeah.
41:50
And
41:50
that's.
41:50
Yeah.
41:51
Again,
41:51
goes
41:51
back
41:52
to
41:52
readability.
41:52
Are
41:53
going
41:53
to
41:53
play
41:54
crucial
41:54
roles
41:55
on
41:56
making
41:56
the
41:56
text
41:57
readable
41:57
and
41:58
size.
41:58
So
41:59
those
41:59
are
41:59
things
41:59
that
42:00
the
42:00
Designer
42:00
will
42:01
have
42:01
to
42:02
consult
42:02
with
42:02
you
42:02
on.
42:03
And
42:03
if
42:04
you're
42:04
self
42:04
publishing
42:04
this,
42:05
that's
42:05
where
42:05
your
42:06
budget
42:06
will
42:06
come
42:06
into
42:06
play.
42:07
On
42:07
how
42:07
many
42:07
illustrations
42:08
you
42:08
ended
42:08
up
42:08
going
42:09
with
42:09
and
42:10
how
42:10
long
42:10
you
42:10
want
42:11
the
42:11
book
42:11
to
42:11
be.
42:11
So
42:12
sharing
42:13
that
42:13
information
42:13
with
42:13
the
42:14
designer
42:14
will
42:14
help
42:15
them
42:15
be
42:15
able
42:15
to
42:16
provide
42:16
the
42:16
best
42:16
solution
42:17
for
42:17
you
42:18
on
42:18
where
42:19
your
42:19
book's
42:19
at.
42:19
As
42:20
fun
42:20
as
42:20
it
42:20
is
42:20
to
42:20
blend
42:21
the
42:21
text
42:21
into
42:21
the
42:21
illustrations
42:22
and
42:22
have
42:22
as
42:23
many
42:23
as
42:23
you
42:23
want.
42:24
Not
42:24
always
42:25
practical
42:26
direction.
42:27
And
42:27
I
42:27
think,
42:27
and
42:28
again,
42:28
I'm
42:28
not
42:28
trying
42:29
to
42:29
be
42:29
critical.
42:30
The
42:31
biggest
42:31
thing
42:31
is
42:31
sometimes,
42:32
remember,
42:33
as
42:33
an
42:34
author,
42:34
you
42:35
are
42:35
not
42:35
the
42:35
end
42:36
user.
42:37
No.
42:37
So
42:37
you
42:37
may
42:38
be
42:38
looking
42:39
at
42:39
the
42:39
book
42:40
and
42:40
saying,
42:41
I've
42:41
got
42:41
this
42:41
beautiful
42:42
book.
42:43
Graphically
42:44
it
42:45
may
42:45
be
42:45
beautiful
42:46
to
42:46
you,
42:46
but
42:47
is
42:47
it
42:47
actually
42:48
functional,
42:49
readable
42:51
to
42:51
your
42:52
end
42:52
audience?
42:53
Yeah.
42:54
And
42:54
choosing
42:55
the
42:55
type
42:56
face
42:56
the
42:57
is
42:57
quite
42:58
important
42:58
too.
42:59
Picking
42:59
one
42:59
that's
42:59
easy
43:00
to
43:00
read.
43:00
There's
43:01
two
43:02
main
43:02
types
43:02
of
43:03
them.
43:03
There's
43:03
sans
43:04
serif
43:04
and
43:05
sans.
43:06
So
43:06
the
43:06
sans
43:06
are.
43:07
The
43:07
difference
43:08
between
43:08
the
43:08
two
43:09
is
43:09
the
43:09
little
43:10
feet
43:10
on
43:10
each
43:10
character.
43:11
Sans
43:11
serif
43:12
are
43:12
your
43:12
ones
43:12
like
43:13
Ariel
43:13
Helvetica,
43:14
Futura.
43:15
And
43:16
those
43:16
are
43:16
essentially
43:16
just
43:17
solid
43:17
column
43:18
blocks.
43:18
They
43:18
have
43:18
no
43:19
feet.
43:19
And
43:19
then
43:20
the
43:20
other
43:20
type
43:20
is
43:21
the.
43:21
With
43:21
all
43:22
the
43:22
little
43:22
feet,
43:22
Times
43:22
New
43:23
Roman.
43:23
The
43:23
reason
43:24
they
43:24
have
43:24
those,
43:25
the
43:25
little
43:26
feet,
43:26
is
43:27
a
43:27
psychological
43:28
reason
43:28
to
43:28
help
43:29
guide
43:29
the
43:29
reader
43:30
to
43:30
string
43:31
the
43:31
characters
43:31
together
43:32
to
43:32
form
43:33
a
43:33
complete
43:34
word.
43:35
You
43:35
often
43:35
see
43:35
that
43:36
with
43:36
newspapers,
43:37
larger
43:38
text
43:38
books,
43:39
with
43:40
children's
43:40
books,
43:41
depending
43:41
on
43:41
the
43:42
age
43:42
range,
43:42
you
43:42
can
43:42
get
43:43
away
43:43
with
43:43
either
43:43
one
43:44
because
43:44
you're
43:44
working
43:45
with
43:45
a
43:45
larger,
43:46
fewer
43:46
type
43:47
and
43:48
it
43:48
becomes
43:49
more
43:49
of
43:49
a
43:49
stylistic
43:50
approach.
43:50
Again,
43:51
someone
43:51
who's
43:51
doing
43:52
the
43:52
book
43:52
formatting
43:53
would
43:53
understand
43:54
all
43:54
of
43:54
those.
43:55
Yes.
43:55
Let's
43:56
jump
43:57
into,
43:58
as
43:58
you
43:59
described
43:59
earlier,
44:00
the
44:00
book
44:00
formats,
44:01
because
44:01
I
44:01
think
44:02
this
44:02
is
44:02
where
44:02
people
44:03
really
44:04
get
44:05
bogged
44:05
down
44:06
or
44:06
they
44:06
have
44:06
a
44:07
fear
44:07
of
44:08
that
44:08
whole
44:08
process.
44:09
And
44:10
also
44:11
I've
44:11
talked
44:11
to
44:11
some
44:11
people
44:12
who
44:12
have
44:13
tried
44:13
to
44:13
take
44:13
the
44:14
role
44:14
on
44:14
themselves,
44:15
having
44:16
no
44:16
skills
44:17
to
44:17
that
44:17
somehow
44:18
they've
44:18
got
44:19
on
44:19
to
44:19
something.
44:20
Somebody's
44:20
told
44:20
them,
44:21
watch
44:21
a
44:21
YouTube
44:22
video
44:23
and
44:23
you'll
44:24
know
44:24
how
44:24
to
44:24
put
44:25
the
44:25
book
44:25
on
44:25
Amazon
44:26
or
44:27
put
44:27
the
44:27
book
44:27
on
44:28
Ingram
44:28
Sparks.
44:29
But
44:29
that's
44:30
not
44:30
true,
44:30
folks,
44:31
for
44:31
the
44:31
most
44:32
part.
44:32
So
44:33
I
44:33
would
44:33
like
44:34
to
44:34
talk
44:34
to
44:34
you
44:34
about.
44:35
Let's
44:35
start
44:36
first
44:36
of
44:36
all
44:36
with
44:36
the
44:36
most
44:37
common
44:37
thing
44:37
in
44:38
a
44:38
children's
44:38
book
44:39
is
44:39
generally
44:40
the
44:40
soft
44:41
cover.
44:41
If
44:41
you
44:42
can
44:42
talk
44:42
to
44:42
us
44:42
about
44:43
book
44:43
formatting
44:44
and
44:45
just
44:45
describe.
44:46
Because
44:47
the
44:47
way
44:47
the
44:48
process
44:48
works
44:49
is
44:49
Amazon
44:50
is
44:50
a
44:50
little
44:50
bit
44:51
different
44:51
than
44:52
ingramsparks.
44:53
And
44:53
I've
44:53
talked
44:54
about
44:54
ingramsparks
44:55
before
44:55
on
44:55
our
44:56
show.
44:56
Ingramsparks
44:57
is
44:57
a
44:57
company
44:58
that
44:58
generally
44:59
helps
44:59
you
44:59
reach
45:00
all
45:00
other
45:01
online
45:01
book
45:02
retailers
45:03
except
45:03
for
45:03
Amazon.
45:04
And
45:04
actually
45:05
ingramsparks
45:06
actually
45:06
can
45:06
get
45:07
you
45:07
onto
45:07
Amazon.
45:08
But
45:09
I
45:09
can
45:09
tell
45:09
you
45:09
that
45:10
process
45:11
to
45:11
me
45:11
just
45:12
adds
45:12
time,
45:13
money
45:13
and
45:15
slows
45:15
the
45:16
whole
45:16
process
45:16
down.
45:17
So
45:17
talk
45:17
to
45:17
us
45:18
about
45:18
softcover,
45:19
Amazon,
45:19
ingramsparks
45:20
and
45:21
the
45:21
book
45:21
formatting
45:22
process.
45:23
Yeah,
45:24
so
45:24
we've
45:24
gone
45:25
over
45:26
essentially
45:27
the
45:27
entire
45:28
process
45:29
to
45:29
get
45:29
the
45:30
digital
45:31
files
45:31
done.
45:32
So
45:32
we
45:32
did
45:32
the
45:32
COVID
45:33
front
45:33
and
45:33
back,
45:34
spine,
45:34
interior
45:35
formatting
45:36
and
45:36
front
45:36
and
45:37
back
45:37
matter.
45:37
Everything
45:38
is
45:38
ready
45:38
to
45:38
go.
45:39
You're
45:39
generally
45:40
given
45:40
two
45:40
files,
45:41
two
45:41
PDFs,
45:42
often
45:42
PDFs,
45:43
which
45:44
is
45:44
your
45:44
interior
45:45
and
45:45
your
45:46
cover
45:46
and
45:47
back.
45:47
So
45:48
those
45:48
are
45:48
the
45:48
two
45:48
you
45:49
end
45:49
up
45:49
working
45:49
with
45:50
for
45:50
your
45:50
softcover
45:51
and
45:52
the
45:52
other
45:52
formats
45:53
if
45:53
you
45:53
chose
45:53
hardcover
45:54
or
45:55
ebook.
45:55
But
45:56
with
45:57
softcover
45:58
you
45:59
have
45:59
to
45:59
choose
45:59
a
46:00
printer.
46:00
And
46:01
we
46:01
briefly
46:01
talked
46:02
about
46:02
that
46:02
where
46:03
working
46:04
with
46:04
one,
46:05
finding
46:05
a
46:05
printer
46:06
that'll
46:06
work
46:06
best
46:06
to
46:07
get
46:07
them
46:07
done.
46:08
And
46:08
the
46:09
interesting
46:09
thing
46:09
about
46:10
sites
46:11
like
46:11
Amazon,
46:12
IngramSpark
46:13
is
46:14
they
46:14
play
46:15
both
46:15
a
46:15
printer
46:16
and,
46:16
and
46:16
a
46:16
distributor.
46:17
So
46:18
they
46:18
will
46:18
print
46:18
your
46:18
book
46:19
and
46:19
distribute
46:19
it.
46:20
Where
46:20
if
46:20
you
46:21
are
46:21
sourcing
46:22
another
46:22
method
46:23
to
46:23
get
46:23
your
46:23
books
46:23
printed,
46:24
maybe
46:24
a
46:24
local
46:25
one
46:25
or
46:26
overseas
46:27
or
46:27
something,
46:28
those
46:28
you're
46:29
just
46:29
getting
46:29
the
46:29
books
46:29
printed
46:30
and
46:30
then
46:30
you've
46:31
got
46:31
to
46:31
figure
46:31
out
46:31
how
46:31
to
46:32
distribute
46:32
it.
46:33
So
46:33
slightly
46:34
different,
46:34
but
46:34
with
46:34
Amazon,
46:35
you
46:35
got
46:36
such
46:36
a
46:36
large
46:36
market,
46:37
they're
46:37
the
46:37
most
46:37
well
46:37
known
46:38
across.
46:38
Just
46:39
so
46:39
everyone
46:39
understands
46:41
for
46:41
the
46:41
most
46:41
part,
46:42
Amazon
46:43
and
46:43
ingramsparks
46:45
are
46:45
a
46:45
print
46:46
on
46:46
demand
46:46
service,
46:47
correct?
46:48
Yes,
46:48
that
46:48
is
46:49
right.
46:49
There's
46:49
two
46:49
types
46:50
of
46:50
printing
46:50
off,
46:51
offset
46:51
printing
46:52
and
46:52
then
46:53
print
46:53
on
46:53
demand.
46:54
And
46:54
print
46:55
on
46:55
demand
46:56
is
46:56
likely
46:56
the
46:57
direction
46:57
you're
46:57
going
46:57
to
46:57
go.
46:58
Because
46:58
the
46:58
traditional
46:59
route
46:59
of
46:59
printing
47:00
you
47:00
got
47:00
to
47:01
order
47:01
hundreds
47:02
if
47:02
not
47:02
thousands
47:03
of
47:03
books
47:03
for
47:03
a
47:03
cheaper
47:04
cost
47:04
per
47:04
unit,
47:05
but
47:06
you
47:06
have
47:06
to
47:07
pay
47:07
a
47:07
larger
47:08
amount
47:08
upfront
47:09
and
47:09
then
47:09
store
47:10
all
47:10
these
47:10
books
47:11
where
47:12
print
47:12
on
47:12
demand
47:12
makes
47:13
you
47:13
a
47:13
little
47:13
more
47:13
lean,
47:14
a
47:14
little
47:14
more
47:15
flexible
47:16
on
47:16
how
47:16
much
47:16
you
47:17
order.
47:17
And
47:18
let's
47:18
say
47:18
your
47:18
book
47:19
gets
47:19
an
47:19
award
47:20
or
47:20
you
47:20
got
47:20
some
47:21
awesome
47:21
reviews
47:22
that
47:22
you
47:22
want
47:22
to
47:23
put
47:23
on
47:23
the
47:23
COVID
47:24
or
47:24
the
47:24
back
47:25
later
47:25
you
47:25
can
47:26
update
47:26
your
47:26
cover
47:27
on
47:27
the
47:27
second
47:28
print
47:28
run
47:28
because
47:28
you
47:28
ordered
47:29
let's
47:29
say
47:29
50
47:30
or
47:30
100.
47:31
And
47:31
then
47:31
the
47:32
next
47:32
run
47:32
you've
47:32
got
47:32
this
47:33
nice
47:33
review
47:34
and
47:35
you
47:35
order
47:35
another.
47:35
50
47:36
more
47:36
than
47:36
what
47:37
Kohen's
47:37
talking
47:37
about.
47:38
When
47:38
we
47:39
first
47:39
printed
47:39
our
47:40
book,
47:40
we
47:40
didn't
47:40
have
47:41
our
47:41
book
47:41
plate.
47:42
What
47:42
we
47:42
had
47:42
mentioned
47:43
earlier,
47:43
where
47:44
it
47:44
says
47:44
this
47:45
book
47:45
belongs
47:46
to,
47:47
we
47:47
add
47:47
our
47:47
book
47:48
plate
47:48
probably
47:50
about
47:50
a
47:50
year
47:50
and
47:51
a
47:51
half
47:51
after
47:52
our
47:52
first
47:53
print.
47:54
And
47:54
so
47:54
Kahn
47:55
went
47:55
and
47:55
did
47:56
the
47:56
small
47:56
change,
47:57
added
47:58
the
47:58
book
47:58
plate.
47:59
We
47:59
uploaded
48:00
the
48:00
new
48:00
file
48:01
to
48:01
both
48:01
IngramSpark
48:02
and
48:03
Amazon
48:04
and
48:04
we
48:05
didn't
48:05
have
48:05
any
48:06
large
48:06
amount
48:07
of
48:07
inventory
48:08
sitting
48:08
around
48:09
as
48:09
we
48:10
made
48:10
that
48:10
positive
48:11
change.
48:11
And
48:12
that's
48:12
what
48:12
we're
48:12
talking
48:12
about.
48:13
And
48:13
that's
48:13
what
48:14
the
48:14
benefit
48:14
of
48:14
Print
48:15
on
48:15
Demand.
48:15
The
48:15
downside
48:16
is
48:16
you
48:16
are
48:17
paying
48:17
more
48:17
per
48:18
unit
48:18
and
48:19
it's
48:19
really
48:19
up
48:19
to
48:19
you
48:20
and
48:20
your
48:20
business
48:21
directions
48:21
and
48:22
plans
48:22
with
48:22
your
48:22
book
48:23
on
48:23
which
48:23
way
48:23
to
48:24
go.
48:24
But
48:25
if
48:25
you
48:25
do
48:26
want
48:26
to
48:26
sell
48:26
on
48:26
Amazon,
48:28
the
48:28
most
48:28
common
48:29
direction
48:29
is
48:30
through
48:30
their
48:30
KDP
48:31
program.
48:32
Kindle
48:32
Direct
48:32
Publishing.
48:33
Technically
48:34
you
48:34
can
48:34
set
48:34
up
48:34
a
48:34
whole
48:35
Amazon
48:35
store
48:36
like
48:36
a
48:37
retailer.
48:37
That's.
48:38
I
48:38
couldn't
48:39
even
48:39
talk
48:39
about
48:39
that.
48:40
And
48:40
generally
48:41
when
48:41
someone
48:42
comes
48:42
to
48:42
you
48:43
and
48:43
says,
48:43
I've
48:43
got
48:44
the
48:44
edited
48:44
words,
48:45
I've
48:45
got
48:45
the
48:46
illustrations,
48:47
I'd
48:47
like
48:47
you
48:47
to
48:48
do
48:48
the
48:49
front
48:49
cover,
48:50
back
48:50
cover,
48:50
the
48:51
spine,
48:52
the
48:52
front
48:52
matter,
48:52
the
48:53
back
48:53
matter.
48:54
Now
48:54
we've
48:54
got
48:54
this
48:55
book
48:55
ready
48:55
to
48:55
publish.
48:56
Generally
48:57
as
48:57
a
48:57
book
48:58
formatter,
48:59
you
48:59
would
49:00
also
49:00
take
49:00
them
49:01
to
49:01
the,
49:01
to,
49:02
to
49:02
the
49:02
finish
49:03
line.
49:03
Correct.
49:04
Part
49:04
of
49:04
your
49:05
services
49:05
would
49:06
include
49:06
helping
49:07
them
49:07
get
49:08
the,
49:08
the
49:09
books
49:09
in
49:10
whatever
49:10
file
49:11
they
49:11
needed
49:12
onto
49:13
Amazon
49:13
or
49:13
ingramsparks.
49:14
Is
49:14
that
49:14
correct?
49:15
Yeah,
49:15
yeah.
49:16
Any
49:16
designer
49:17
should
49:17
provide
49:18
those
49:18
PDFs
49:19
that
49:19
we
49:19
were
49:20
talking
49:20
about,
49:20
the
49:21
two
49:21
final
49:21
ones
49:21
you
49:21
need
49:22
to
49:22
go
49:22
on
49:23
Amazon.
49:23
Ingram
49:24
anywhere.
49:25
Your
49:25
cover,
49:25
back
49:26
wrap
49:27
PDF
49:27
and
49:28
your
49:28
interior
49:29
file,
49:29
which
49:29
is
49:30
the
49:30
entire
49:30
inside
49:31
of
49:31
the
49:31
book.
49:31
They
49:32
should
49:32
be
49:32
able
49:32
to
49:32
provide
49:33
you
49:33
the
49:33
right
49:34
file
49:34
formats
49:35
that
49:35
the
49:35
printer
49:36
needs.
49:36
So
49:36
let's
49:37
say
49:37
Amazon
49:37
Print
49:38
on
49:38
demand.
49:38
They
49:39
have
49:39
specific
49:40
requirements.
49:40
Ingramspark
49:41
has
49:41
specific
49:42
requirements.
49:43
The
49:43
designer
49:44
should
49:44
know
49:44
what
49:44
those
49:44
all
49:45
mean
49:45
and
49:45
give
49:45
you
49:46
the
49:46
file
49:46
so
49:47
you
49:47
can
49:47
go
49:47
to
49:47
your
49:48
Amazon
49:48
account
49:49
and
49:49
upload
49:50
the
49:50
final
49:50
piece.
49:51
And
49:52
Amazon
49:52
should
49:52
give
49:53
it
49:53
an
49:53
Ingram.
49:54
They
49:54
should
49:54
both
49:54
give
49:54
it
49:54
a
49:55
green
49:55
light.
49:55
If
49:56
not,
49:56
they'll
49:56
have
49:56
errors.
49:57
There
49:57
might
49:57
be.
49:57
And
49:58
then
49:58
you
49:59
bring
49:59
it
49:59
back
49:59
to
49:59
your
49:59
designer
50:00
and
50:00
say,
50:00
hey,
50:01
came
50:01
back
50:01
with
50:01
some
50:02
errors.
50:02
Can
50:02
you
50:03
fix
50:03
this?
50:03
And
50:03
you
50:04
know
50:04
what,
50:04
just
50:04
so
50:04
everyone
50:05
knows,
50:05
Con
50:05
and
50:05
I
50:06
have
50:06
run
50:06
into
50:06
that.
50:07
I
50:07
generally
50:08
not
50:08
with
50:08
Amazon.
50:09
They've
50:10
seen
50:10
a
50:10
little
50:11
more
50:11
user
50:11
friendly.
50:12
Ingramsparks.
50:13
I've
50:14
come
50:14
back
50:14
to
50:14
Kann
50:15
a
50:15
couple
50:15
of
50:15
times
50:16
because
50:16
somehow
50:17
it
50:17
wasn't
50:18
reading
50:18
the
50:18
file
50:19
correctly.
50:19
But
50:20
eventually
50:21
it
50:21
gets
50:21
fixed
50:21
and
50:22
get
50:22
it
50:22
downloaded.
50:23
Okay,
50:23
so
50:24
now
50:24
we've
50:24
got
50:25
your
50:25
files
50:26
produced
50:27
for
50:27
your
50:27
soft
50:27
cover
50:29
and
50:29
like
50:29
you
50:30
said,
50:30
your
50:30
front
50:31
cover,
50:31
the
50:31
spine,
50:32
the
50:32
back
50:32
cover,
50:33
one
50:33
PDF
50:34
file
50:35
and
50:35
then
50:35
the
50:36
interior
50:37
another
50:37
PDF
50:38
file.
50:38
Then
50:38
you
50:38
download
50:39
them,
50:39
I
50:39
think,
50:40
oh,
50:40
that's
50:40
great.
50:41
So
50:41
now
50:41
can
50:42
I
50:42
just
50:42
Take
50:42
that
50:42
and
50:42
do
50:43
my
50:43
ebook
50:43
and
50:44
my
50:44
hard
50:45
hardcover
50:45
book
50:46
with
50:46
these
50:46
files.
50:47
Con.
50:48
No.
50:48
Oh,
50:49
unfortunately
50:49
not.
50:50
Okay,
50:50
so
50:51
tell
50:51
us
50:51
about
50:51
that.
50:52
Yeah,
50:53
the
50:53
ebook
50:54
is
50:54
very
50:55
different
50:55
than
50:56
the
50:56
physical
50:57
counterparts.
50:58
But
50:58
the
50:59
ebook,
51:00
some
51:00
designers
51:01
might
51:01
not
51:02
even
51:02
know
51:02
how
51:02
to
51:02
do
51:02
that.
51:02
We
51:03
were
51:03
way
51:03
back
51:03
at
51:04
the
51:04
beginning
51:04
we
51:04
were
51:04
talking
51:05
about
51:05
print
51:06
designers,
51:06
web
51:07
designers,
51:08
logo
51:08
designers,
51:09
illustrators.
51:10
Ebook
51:11
formatting
51:11
is
51:12
a
51:12
different
51:12
type
51:12
of
51:13
designer
51:14
as
51:14
a
51:14
whole.
51:14
And
51:14
there's
51:15
different
51:15
tools
51:16
that
51:16
are
51:16
used
51:17
for
51:17
those
51:17
that
51:18
are
51:18
curious.
51:18
An
51:19
ebook
51:19
is
51:19
essentially
51:20
just
51:20
web
51:21
pages
51:21
wrapped
51:22
up
51:22
into
51:22
a
51:22
different
51:23
file
51:23
format.
51:24
You're
51:24
working
51:24
with
51:24
HTML,
51:25
the
51:25
coding
51:26
language,
51:27
or
51:27
there's
51:27
software
51:28
that'll
51:28
actually
51:28
do
51:28
it.
51:29
And
51:29
I
51:29
think
51:29
you
51:29
use
51:30
one,
51:30
Rick,
51:30
you're
51:31
enjoying
51:31
one.
51:32
And
51:32
there's
51:32
a
51:32
few
51:32
others
51:33
that
51:33
I
51:33
use,
51:34
one
51:34
called
51:34
Sigle,
51:35
that's
51:35
handy
51:36
as
51:36
well.
51:36
But
51:37
essentially,
51:38
when
51:38
you've
51:38
got
51:38
your
51:38
final
51:39
edited
51:39
interior
51:41
book
51:41
with
51:41
your
51:42
front
51:42
back
51:42
matter,
51:43
the
51:43
actual
51:43
story,
51:44
all
51:44
your
51:45
illustrations,
51:46
you
51:46
have
51:46
to
51:47
hand
51:47
those
51:47
individual
51:48
files
51:48
to
51:49
a
51:49
designer
51:50
that's
51:50
going
51:50
to
51:50
format
51:51
your
51:51
ebook.
51:52
And
51:53
because
51:53
that's
51:54
different
51:54
than
51:55
how
51:55
they're
51:55
going
51:55
to
51:56
process
51:56
and
51:57
use
51:57
different
51:57
tools
51:58
like
51:58
InDesign
51:59
to
52:00
format
52:01
the
52:01
print
52:01
book.
52:02
And
52:02
just
52:02
so
52:02
everyone
52:03
knows,
52:03
Kahn
52:04
has
52:04
that
52:05
skill.
52:05
So
52:06
not
52:06
only
52:06
did
52:07
he
52:07
format
52:08
our
52:09
softcover
52:10
to
52:10
get
52:10
it
52:11
to
52:11
through
52:12
Amazon
52:12
and
52:13
ingramsparks,
52:14
Kahn
52:14
also
52:15
formatted
52:15
our
52:16
ebook
52:17
format
52:17
also.
52:18
Yeah,
52:19
the
52:19
ebook.
52:19
And
52:20
this
52:20
is
52:20
why
52:20
it's
52:20
really
52:20
important
52:21
to
52:21
make
52:21
sure
52:22
your
52:22
book
52:22
is
52:23
fully
52:23
edited.
52:23
And
52:23
you're
52:24
really
52:24
happy
52:24
with
52:24
your
52:24
book
52:25
because
52:26
as
52:27
you
52:27
mentioned,
52:27
hardcover
52:28
too,
52:28
and
52:28
we
52:28
haven't
52:29
even
52:29
talked
52:29
about
52:29
audiobooks.
52:30
So
52:30
you
52:30
have
52:31
three
52:31
or
52:31
four
52:31
different
52:31
formats
52:32
of
52:32
your
52:32
book.
52:33
You
52:33
make
52:33
one
52:33
change
52:34
to
52:34
your
52:35
book,
52:35
you
52:35
have
52:36
to
52:36
apply
52:36
it
52:37
three
52:37
or
52:37
four
52:38
times.
52:38
So
52:39
every
52:39
change
52:39
is
52:40
just
52:40
going
52:40
to
52:40
keep
52:40
multiplying,
52:41
which
52:42
costs
52:42
time
52:43
and
52:43
money.
52:44
So,
52:44
yeah,
52:44
you'll
52:45
want
52:45
your
52:45
book
52:46
available
52:46
on
52:47
ebook
52:47
because
52:48
kids
52:48
also
52:49
read
52:49
on
52:49
tablets
52:50
and
52:50
E
52:50
readers.
52:51
You
52:51
want
52:51
your
52:52
book
52:52
available
52:52
on
52:52
Amazon.
52:53
Ingram
52:54
also
52:54
can
52:55
do
52:55
ebooks,
52:56
I
52:56
believe,
52:57
But
52:57
Amazon's
52:58
your
52:58
big
52:58
marketplace
52:59
where
52:59
you'll
53:00
want
53:00
to
53:00
have
53:00
your
53:00
ebook
53:01
available.
53:01
I
53:02
want
53:02
to
53:02
just
53:02
pick
53:02
up
53:02
on
53:03
that
53:03
for
53:03
a
53:03
second,
53:03
just
53:04
because
53:04
it's
53:04
fresh.
53:05
I
53:05
did
53:05
a
53:05
book
53:06
reading
53:06
yesterday
53:07
at
53:07
my
53:08
grandson's
53:09
school
53:09
and
53:10
they
53:10
use
53:10
what's
53:10
called,
53:11
I
53:11
think
53:11
it's
53:11
called
53:12
a
53:12
lob
53:12
board.
53:13
I
53:13
have
53:14
the
53:14
terminology,
53:15
but
53:15
it's
53:15
just
53:16
virtually
53:16
a
53:16
big
53:17
screen
53:17
TV
53:18
that
53:19
I
53:19
took
53:19
my
53:20
iPad
53:21
plugged
53:22
into
53:22
the
53:22
port
53:23
and
53:24
I
53:24
read
53:24
the
53:25
book
53:25
on
53:25
the
53:25
screen.
53:26
Oh,
53:26
fun.
53:27
Yeah.
53:27
And
53:28
that's
53:28
the
53:28
way
53:29
because
53:29
I
53:29
even
53:29
said
53:30
to
53:30
the
53:30
teacher,
53:30
do
53:31
you
53:31
have
53:31
flip
53:31
charts?
53:32
And
53:32
she
53:32
said,
53:33
no,
53:34
it's
53:35
Today,
53:36
everybody's
53:36
using
53:37
technology
53:38
to
53:38
K's
53:39
point.
53:39
Having
53:40
at
53:40
least
53:40
your
53:40
soft
53:41
cover
53:41
in
53:41
the
53:41
ebook
53:42
format
53:43
to
53:43
start
53:44
I
53:44
think
53:44
is
53:44
extremely
53:45
important.
53:46
And
53:47
so.
53:47
So
53:48
let's
53:48
jump
53:48
into
53:48
the
53:49
hardcover.
53:50
Yeah,
53:50
hardcover
53:51
is.
53:51
They're
53:52
just
53:52
another
53:52
print
53:53
format.
53:53
We
53:53
didn't
53:53
even
53:54
talk
53:54
about
53:54
sizing
53:55
with
53:55
the
53:55
softcovers.
53:56
Oh,
53:56
sorry.
53:56
So
53:57
let's
53:57
definitely
53:57
come
53:58
back
53:58
to
53:58
sizing.
53:59
My
53:59
apologies.
54:00
No,
54:00
it's
54:00
all
54:00
good.
54:00
It's
54:01
my
54:01
mind
54:01
too.
54:02
And
54:02
whether
54:02
it's
54:03
soft
54:03
cover
54:03
or
54:03
hardcover,
54:04
the
54:05
size
54:05
of
54:05
your
54:05
book
54:05
matters
54:06
too,
54:06
which
54:06
is
54:06
your
54:06
physical
54:07
dimensions.
54:07
You
54:08
could
54:08
go
54:08
square,
54:09
you
54:09
could
54:09
go
54:09
portrait.
54:10
Portrait
54:10
is
54:10
a
54:11
tall
54:11
rectangle.
54:12
Some
54:12
people
54:12
do
54:12
landscape
54:13
format,
54:13
which
54:13
is
54:14
a
54:14
wide
54:14
rectangle.
54:15
Some
54:15
do
54:15
square
54:16
format.
54:16
And
54:17
it
54:17
really
54:17
comes
54:17
down
54:17
to
54:18
your
54:18
personal
54:19
preference.
54:20
There's
54:21
larger
54:22
formats
54:22
are
54:23
often
54:24
where
54:24
things
54:24
go.
54:25
What
54:25
was
54:25
your
54:25
size,
54:26
Rick?
54:26
You
54:26
were.
54:27
It's
54:27
a
54:27
square
54:28
nine
54:28
by
54:28
nine.
54:29
Nine
54:29
by
54:29
nine?
54:29
That's
54:29
what
54:29
we
54:30
went
54:30
with.
54:30
Okay.
54:30
Yeah.
54:30
And
54:31
I
54:31
find
54:31
I.
54:31
I
54:32
find
54:32
probably
54:32
about
54:33
half
54:33
the
54:33
children's
54:34
books
54:34
that
54:34
I've
54:35
so
54:35
far.
54:35
The
54:36
children's
54:36
book
54:36
authors,
54:37
I
54:37
always
54:38
buy
54:38
one
54:39
copy
54:39
of
54:39
their
54:39
book.
54:40
Yeah.
54:40
When
54:41
they
54:41
come
54:41
on
54:41
as
54:41
a
54:41
guest.
54:42
And
54:43
so
54:43
I
54:44
get
54:44
to
54:44
see
54:44
exactly
54:45
what
54:45
the
54:45
format
54:45
is
54:46
about
54:46
half
54:46
of
54:46
them
54:47
come
54:47
to
54:47
me
54:47
in
54:48
the
54:48
traditional,
54:49
what
54:49
I
54:49
call
54:49
traditional
54:50
nine
54:51
by
54:51
nine
54:51
size.
54:52
But
54:52
I
54:52
have
54:53
gotten
54:54
like,
54:54
I
54:55
was
54:55
showing
54:55
you,
54:56
someone
54:57
called
54:57
this
54:57
the
54:57
diaper
54:58
bag
54:58
size.
55:00
So
55:00
that
55:00
was
55:01
cool
55:01
idea.
55:01
Yeah,
55:01
yeah.
55:02
And
55:02
then
55:02
I've
55:02
gotten
55:03
others
55:04
that
55:04
are
55:06
showing
55:06
the
55:06
hardcover,
55:07
but
55:07
I'll
55:07
show
55:07
you
55:07
the
55:08
softcover.
55:09
Yes.
55:09
It's.
55:10
Yeah.
55:10
Almost
55:10
portrait.
55:11
So
55:11
definitely
55:12
all
55:13
kinds
55:13
of
55:13
sizing.
55:14
Now,
55:14
how
55:14
does
55:14
that
55:15
affect
55:15
you
55:15
as
55:15
the
55:16
book
55:16
formatter?
55:17
Why
55:17
is
55:18
that
55:18
important?
55:19
It's
55:19
important
55:20
to
55:20
know
55:20
how
55:21
to
55:21
lay
55:21
out
55:21
the
55:21
text,
55:22
which
55:22
is
55:23
the
55:23
interior
55:23
of
55:23
it.
55:23
And
55:24
even
55:24
the
55:24
COVID
55:24
it
55:24
changes
55:25
how
55:25
your
55:25
cover
55:25
is
55:26
going
55:26
to
55:26
look,
55:27
which
55:27
is
55:27
why
55:28
you
55:28
probably
55:28
see
55:28
so
55:28
many
55:29
do
55:29
9x9
55:30
square
55:30
format.
55:31
Because
55:32
square
55:32
format
55:33
also
55:33
works
55:33
really
55:34
good
55:34
for
55:35
marketing.
55:36
For
55:36
example,
55:36
like
55:37
on
55:37
social
55:37
media,
55:38
a
55:38
lot
55:38
of
55:38
posts
55:39
prefer
55:40
that
55:40
square
55:41
format.
55:42
It'll
55:42
show
55:42
better
55:43
across
55:43
the
55:43
board
55:44
versus
55:44
the
55:45
landscape
55:45
format
55:46
doesn't
55:47
look
55:47
good
55:47
on,
55:48
say,
55:48
Instagram.
55:50
So
55:50
square
55:50
is
55:51
a
55:51
great
55:51
format
55:51
for
55:51
that.
55:52
And
55:52
a
55:52
designer
55:53
needs
55:53
to
55:53
be
55:54
conscious
55:54
on
55:55
the
55:56
basically
55:57
the
55:57
layout
55:57
that
55:58
their
55:58
play
55:58
field.
55:58
Where
55:59
do
55:59
they
55:59
place
55:59
things
55:59
or
56:00
place
56:00
the
56:00
text?
56:00
If
56:00
it's
56:01
square,
56:01
they
56:02
don't
56:02
have
56:02
as
56:02
much
56:03
of
56:03
a
56:03
tall
56:04
real
56:04
estate
56:05
to
56:05
play
56:05
in.
56:06
It's
56:06
a
56:06
landscape
56:07
one
56:07
they're
56:08
going
56:08
to
56:08
have
56:08
to
56:08
really
56:08
think
56:09
about.
56:09
Oh,
56:10
how
56:10
does
56:10
this
56:10
illustration
56:11
fit
56:11
with
56:12
the
56:12
author's,
56:13
author's
56:13
name
56:13
and
56:14
the
56:14
title
56:14
of
56:14
the
56:14
book?
56:15
So
56:15
they
56:15
really
56:16
have
56:16
to
56:16
be
56:16
wary
56:17
of
56:17
that.
56:17
And
56:18
when
56:19
someone
56:19
comes
56:19
to
56:20
you
56:20
and
56:21
they're
56:21
thinking
56:22
about
56:22
a
56:22
book
56:23
format
56:23
size,
56:25
does
56:25
the
56:25
sizing
56:26
determine
56:27
your
56:27
pricing
56:28
or
56:29
not?
56:29
It
56:30
can.
56:30
Yeah,
56:31
it
56:31
does.
56:32
Another
56:32
thing
56:32
with
56:33
size
56:33
too
56:33
is
56:34
it
56:34
really
56:34
depends
56:35
on
56:36
what
56:36
you
56:36
got
56:36
the
56:37
illustrator
56:37
to
56:37
make.
56:38
Is
56:38
the
56:38
image,
56:39
is
56:39
each
56:39
illustration
56:40
going
56:40
to
56:40
get
56:41
clipped?
56:41
Basically
56:42
cut
56:42
part
56:42
of
56:42
it
56:43
cut
56:43
off.
56:43
If
56:44
you
56:44
go
56:44
with.
56:44
If
56:44
they
56:44
provided
56:45
you,
56:45
let's
56:45
say
56:45
a
56:45
square,
56:46
an
56:47
illustration
56:47
in
56:47
a
56:47
square
56:48
format.
56:48
But
56:48
you
56:49
went
56:49
with
56:49
a
56:49
portrait
56:49
format,
56:50
you
56:50
might
56:51
as
56:51
the
56:51
illustration
56:52
you
56:52
get
56:52
zoomed
56:53
up
56:53
and
56:54
parts
56:54
of
56:54
it
56:54
cut
56:55
off.
56:55
Or
56:55
you're
56:55
just
56:55
going
56:56
to
56:56
have
56:56
the
56:56
square
56:57
sitting
56:57
in
56:57
the
56:58
center
56:58
of
56:58
the
56:58
page
56:58
and
56:58
you
56:59
got
56:59
some
57:00
empty
57:00
space
57:00
around
57:01
which
57:01
might
57:01
look
57:01
weird.
57:02
What
57:02
you
57:02
get
57:02
from
57:03
your
57:03
illustrator
57:03
is
57:03
really
57:04
going
57:04
to
57:05
be
57:05
something
57:06
to
57:06
think
57:06
about
57:07
and
57:07
maybe
57:08
something
57:08
you
57:08
have
57:08
to
57:08
talk
57:08
to
57:08
the
57:09
illustrator
57:09
about.
57:09
And
57:10
you
57:10
had
57:10
a
57:10
have
57:10
a
57:11
vision
57:11
of
57:11
what
57:11
you
57:11
want
57:12
the
57:12
size
57:13
to
57:13
be
57:13
if
57:13
you
57:13
wanted
57:14
it
57:14
to
57:14
be
57:15
landscape.
57:16
And
57:16
just
57:16
so
57:16
everyone
57:17
knows
57:17
the
57:17
nice
57:18
thing
57:18
about
57:18
today's
57:19
world
57:20
is
57:21
you
57:21
can
57:22
actually
57:22
go
57:22
to
57:23
Amazon
57:24
site.
57:24
It's
57:25
called
57:25
kdp.
57:26
Yeah.
57:26
And
57:27
they
57:27
will.
57:28
You
57:28
can
57:28
actually
57:29
see
57:29
the
57:29
different
57:30
sizes
57:31
recommended
57:32
for
57:32
children's
57:32
books.
57:33
And
57:33
there
57:34
is,
57:34
there's
57:34
a
57:34
large
57:35
variety.
57:36
So
57:37
I
57:37
think
57:37
Kwan
57:38
hit
57:38
it
57:38
right
57:39
on
57:39
the
57:39
nail
57:39
earlier.
57:40
Go
57:40
to
57:41
the
57:41
library
57:42
and
57:42
look
57:42
at
57:43
children's
57:43
books
57:43
and
57:43
look
57:44
at
57:44
children's
57:44
book
57:45
formats
57:45
and
57:46
then
57:46
decide,
57:47
make
57:47
sure
57:47
you
57:47
take
57:47
a
57:48
measuring
57:48
tape,
57:49
decide
57:50
what
57:50
size
57:51
that
57:51
you
57:52
would
57:52
love
57:52
to
57:52
have.
57:53
And
57:54
generally
57:55
if
57:55
it's
57:55
in
57:55
the
57:55
library
57:56
that
57:57
sizing
57:57
is
57:58
available
57:58
to
57:59
print.
58:00
Yeah.
58:01
And
58:02
bring
58:02
it
58:02
all
58:03
the
58:03
way
58:03
back
58:03
to
58:03
hardcovers.
58:04
They
58:05
are
58:05
different
58:05
sizes.
58:06
They
58:06
are
58:06
not
58:07
mutually
58:07
the
58:07
same
58:07
soft
58:08
cover
58:08
sizes
58:08
and
58:09
hardcover.
58:09
So
58:10
that's
58:10
another
58:10
formatting
58:11
project
58:12
as
58:13
a
58:13
summary.
58:14
And
58:14
so
58:14
everyone
58:15
understands
58:15
that
58:16
when
58:16
you
58:16
come
58:17
to
58:17
someone
58:17
like
58:18
Kahn
58:18
and
58:19
they're
58:19
now
58:20
assembling
58:20
your
58:20
book
58:21
as
58:21
a
58:21
book
58:21
formatter,
58:22
the
58:23
thing
58:23
to
58:23
remember
58:24
is
58:24
that
58:25
they're
58:25
going
58:26
to
58:26
talk
58:26
to
58:26
you
58:26
about
58:27
and
58:27
these
58:28
are
58:28
all
58:28
separate
58:29
jobs.
58:30
Softcover,
58:31
ebook
58:32
formatting,
58:33
hardcover
58:34
formatting.
58:34
Is
58:35
that
58:35
correct?
58:36
And
58:36
I
58:36
can't
58:36
speak
58:36
on
58:37
every
58:37
designer.
58:38
They
58:38
all
58:38
have
58:38
their
58:38
different
58:39
processes.
58:39
Sometimes
58:40
they
58:40
provide
58:40
bundles
58:41
they
58:41
might
58:41
do
58:42
hourly.
58:42
Personally,
58:43
for
58:43
me,
58:43
I've
58:44
always
58:44
been
58:44
more
58:44
of
58:44
a
58:44
project
58:45
for
58:45
project
58:46
type
58:46
because
58:48
specifically
58:48
with
58:49
self
58:49
publishing
58:50
books,
58:51
there
58:51
are
58:51
so
58:51
many
58:51
moving
58:52
parts
58:52
in
58:53
each
58:53
one.
58:53
I
58:54
just
58:54
don't
58:54
want
58:54
anything
58:55
to
58:55
get
58:55
confused.
58:56
Do
58:56
one
58:57
one
58:57
format
58:58
done
58:58
because
58:59
and
58:59
it
58:59
happens
59:00
whether
59:00
even
59:00
it's
59:00
been
59:01
through
59:01
beta
59:02
readers
59:02
editing,
59:03
polished.
59:04
So
59:04
you
59:05
think,
59:05
let's
59:06
say
59:06
you
59:06
start
59:06
with
59:06
a
59:06
soft
59:07
cover,
59:07
you
59:08
do
59:08
all
59:08
the
59:08
formatting,
59:09
get
59:09
the
59:09
proof
59:10
copy
59:10
in
59:10
your
59:11
hands
59:11
and
59:11
then
59:12
you
59:12
see
59:12
a
59:12
typo,
59:13
it
59:13
can
59:13
happen.
59:14
So
59:15
just
59:15
one
59:15
project
59:16
at
59:16
a
59:16
time
59:17
just
59:17
keeps
59:17
it.
59:18
Then
59:18
you
59:18
don't
59:18
have
59:18
to
59:19
keep
59:19
going
59:19
back
59:19
and
59:20
trying
59:20
to
59:20
fix
59:20
everything.
59:21
Great
59:21
advice,
59:22
great
59:22
advice.
59:23
I
59:23
just
59:24
want
59:24
to
59:24
talk
59:24
a
59:25
little
59:25
bit
59:25
about
59:26
because
59:27
you
59:27
brought
59:27
this
59:27
up
59:28
is
59:29
primarily
59:29
we
59:30
focused
59:30
on
59:30
becoming
59:31
a
59:31
children's
59:32
book
59:32
author.
59:33
Amazon
59:34
and
59:34
ingramsparks
59:35
are
59:35
probably
59:36
the
59:36
easiest
59:36
things
59:37
to
59:37
do
59:38
and
59:38
to
59:39
go
59:39
to
59:39
softcover
59:40
and
59:40
ebook
59:40
formats
59:41
to
59:41
start.
59:42
And
59:43
on
59:43
top
59:43
of
59:44
that
59:45
you
59:45
don't
59:45
have
59:45
to,
59:46
as
59:46
Kahn
59:47
mentioned,
59:47
you
59:47
don't
59:47
have
59:48
to
59:48
tie
59:48
up
59:48
thousands
59:49
of
59:49
books
59:50
in
59:50
your
59:50
garage
59:51
wondering
59:52
how
59:52
am
59:52
I
59:52
going
59:52
to
59:53
move
59:53
these
59:53
things
59:53
out
59:54
of
59:54
my
59:54
garage?
59:55
Because
59:55
we're
59:55
not
59:56
talking
59:56
about
59:56
marketing
59:57
and
59:58
sales
59:58
here
59:59
folks.
59:59
We're
59:59
just
59:59
talking
1:00:00
about
1:00:00
getting
1:00:00
your
1:00:01
book
1:00:01
in
1:00:01
distribution
1:00:02
and
1:00:03
published
1:00:04
because
1:00:04
you
1:00:05
brought
1:00:05
it
1:00:05
up.
1:00:05
Let's
1:00:06
talk
1:00:06
about
1:00:06
offset
1:00:07
printing.
1:00:08
Yeah.
1:00:09
So
1:00:09
are
1:00:10
the
1:00:10
files
1:00:10
for
1:00:11
offset
1:00:11
printers
1:00:12
different
1:00:13
for
1:00:13
softcover
1:00:15
or
1:00:15
hardcover?
1:00:17
Yeah,
1:00:17
a
1:00:18
little.
1:00:19
The
1:00:19
print
1:00:19
shop
1:00:20
will
1:00:20
generally
1:00:20
provide
1:00:21
the
1:00:21
specs
1:00:22
they
1:00:22
need
1:00:22
which
1:00:23
you
1:00:23
would
1:00:23
pass
1:00:23
on
1:00:23
to
1:00:23
your
1:00:24
designer.
1:00:24
Usually
1:00:25
it
1:00:25
just
1:00:25
comes
1:00:26
to
1:00:26
color
1:00:26
profile
1:00:27
term
1:00:27
the
1:00:28
designers
1:00:28
will
1:00:29
be
1:00:29
wary
1:00:30
of.
1:00:30
But
1:00:30
that's
1:00:31
basically
1:00:33
the
1:00:33
big
1:00:34
difference
1:00:34
is
1:00:34
making
1:00:35
sure
1:00:35
the
1:00:35
color
1:00:36
is
1:00:36
correct.
1:00:36
And
1:00:37
it's
1:00:38
more
1:00:38
on
1:00:38
a
1:00:38
technical
1:00:38
side.
1:00:39
But
1:00:39
the
1:00:40
even
1:00:40
for
1:00:40
the
1:00:40
print
1:00:41
on
1:00:41
demand,
1:00:41
a
1:00:41
designer
1:00:42
probably
1:00:42
should
1:00:43
be
1:00:43
what's
1:00:43
known
1:00:44
as
1:00:44
rasterizing
1:00:45
the
1:00:45
TypeFace
1:00:46
for
1:00:46
the
1:00:46
PDF.
1:00:47
Again,
1:00:48
that
1:00:48
stuff
1:00:48
gets
1:00:48
into
1:00:48
the
1:00:48
more
1:00:49
technical
1:00:49
realm.
1:00:49
But
1:00:50
print
1:00:50
on
1:00:50
demand
1:00:51
is
1:00:51
more
1:00:52
forgiving
1:00:52
if
1:00:52
you
1:00:53
slip
1:00:53
up
1:00:53
on
1:00:54
some
1:00:54
of
1:00:54
these
1:00:54
things
1:00:54
or
1:00:55
the
1:00:55
designer
1:00:55
does
1:00:56
just
1:00:56
a
1:00:56
few
1:00:56
things
1:00:57
to
1:00:57
know,
1:00:57
definitely
1:00:58
have
1:00:58
your
1:00:59
designer
1:00:59
in
1:01:00
touch
1:01:00
with
1:01:00
your
1:01:01
chosen
1:01:01
print
1:01:01
shop.
1:01:02
Great
1:01:02
advice.
1:01:03
Some
1:01:04
self
1:01:04
published
1:01:05
book
1:01:05
authors
1:01:06
think
1:01:06
self
1:01:06
publishing
1:01:07
with
1:01:07
Amazon
1:01:08
and
1:01:08
Ingram
1:01:09
Sparks
1:01:09
can
1:01:09
be
1:01:10
daunting.
1:01:10
But
1:01:10
as
1:01:11
you've
1:01:11
been
1:01:11
listening
1:01:12
to
1:01:12
Khan,
1:01:12
if
1:01:13
you
1:01:13
get
1:01:14
a
1:01:14
good
1:01:15
graphic
1:01:16
designer
1:01:16
who
1:01:17
does
1:01:17
book
1:01:17
formatting,
1:01:18
you
1:01:19
don't
1:01:19
have
1:01:19
to
1:01:19
go
1:01:20
shopping
1:01:21
or
1:01:21
get
1:01:21
a
1:01:22
third
1:01:22
party
1:01:22
to
1:01:23
do
1:01:23
this.
1:01:24
Just
1:01:24
make
1:01:24
sure
1:01:24
you
1:01:25
once
1:01:25
you've
1:01:26
got
1:01:26
yourself
1:01:26
a
1:01:26
good
1:01:27
graphic
1:01:27
designer
1:01:27
and
1:01:28
book
1:01:28
formatter,
1:01:29
I'm
1:01:29
telling
1:01:29
you,
1:01:30
it
1:01:30
just
1:01:30
takes
1:01:31
out
1:01:31
a
1:01:31
lot
1:01:32
of
1:01:32
the
1:01:32
risk
1:01:33
in
1:01:33
terms
1:01:33
of
1:01:33
your
1:01:34
time,
1:01:34
in
1:01:34
terms
1:01:35
of
1:01:35
the
1:01:35
money
1:01:36
you're
1:01:36
spending
1:01:37
in
1:01:37
terms
1:01:37
of
1:01:37
bringing
1:01:38
your
1:01:38
book
1:01:38
to
1:01:39
market.
1:01:39
So
1:01:40
it
1:01:40
just
1:01:40
really
1:01:41
helps
1:01:41
you
1:01:41
a
1:01:41
lot
1:01:41
and
1:01:42
I'm
1:01:42
hoping
1:01:42
you're
1:01:43
getting
1:01:43
a
1:01:43
sense
1:01:43
of
1:01:44
that.
1:01:44
And
1:01:44
then
1:01:45
if
1:01:45
you
1:01:45
do
1:01:46
decide
1:01:46
to
1:01:47
go
1:01:48
the
1:01:48
hardcover
1:01:49
route,
1:01:49
understand
1:01:50
that
1:01:51
Amazon
1:01:52
doesn't
1:01:53
do
1:01:53
children's
1:01:54
books
1:01:55
in
1:01:55
hardcover
1:01:56
and
1:01:58
they
1:01:58
have
1:01:58
a
1:01:59
minimum
1:02:00
page
1:02:00
count,
1:02:00
I
1:02:01
believe
1:02:01
it's
1:02:01
about
1:02:01
78
1:02:02
pages
1:02:03
somewhere
1:02:04
in
1:02:04
that
1:02:04
number
1:02:05
option
1:02:05
before
1:02:06
they
1:02:06
do
1:02:06
a
1:02:06
hard
1:02:07
cover.
1:02:07
So
1:02:08
most
1:02:08
children's
1:02:08
books
1:02:09
as
1:02:09
we
1:02:09
mentioned
1:02:10
are
1:02:10
about
1:02:10
32
1:02:11
pages.
1:02:12
So
1:02:12
you're
1:02:12
never
1:02:13
going
1:02:13
to
1:02:13
get
1:02:13
a
1:02:13
hardcover
1:02:14
book
1:02:15
printed
1:02:15
through
1:02:16
Amazon
1:02:17
or
1:02:17
at
1:02:17
this
1:02:17
point
1:02:18
or
1:02:19
kdp.
1:02:20
However,
1:02:21
ingramsparks
1:02:22
does
1:02:23
do
1:02:24
hardcover
1:02:24
children's
1:02:25
books
1:02:26
and
1:02:26
they
1:02:26
have
1:02:26
that
1:02:27
service
1:02:27
available.
1:02:28
Just
1:02:28
remember
1:02:29
again
1:02:30
checking
1:02:30
on
1:02:31
the
1:02:31
costs
1:02:32
of
1:02:32
doing
1:02:32
that
1:02:33
to.
1:02:33
Kahn
1:02:34
mentioned
1:02:34
it
1:02:34
earlier
1:02:35
that
1:02:35
when
1:02:35
you're
1:02:36
doing
1:02:36
a
1:02:37
print
1:02:37
on
1:02:37
demand
1:02:38
and
1:02:39
you're
1:02:39
doing
1:02:39
a
1:02:39
one
1:02:40
like
1:02:40
a
1:02:40
one
1:02:40
off
1:02:41
copy
1:02:41
or
1:02:41
maybe
1:02:42
you
1:02:42
get
1:02:42
five
1:02:43
printed
1:02:43
or
1:02:43
whatever,
1:02:45
the
1:02:45
costs
1:02:45
tend
1:02:46
to
1:02:46
be
1:02:46
much
1:02:46
higher
1:02:47
than
1:02:48
as
1:02:48
if
1:02:48
you
1:02:48
went
1:02:48
to
1:02:49
offset
1:02:49
printing
1:02:50
and
1:02:50
you
1:02:50
went
1:02:50
overseas
1:02:51
or
1:02:51
even
1:02:52
locally
1:02:52
and
1:02:53
did
1:02:53
a
1:02:53
bigger
1:02:53
run.
1:02:54
Yeah.
1:02:55
And
1:02:56
the
1:02:56
other
1:02:56
thing
1:02:56
I
1:02:56
wanted
1:02:57
to
1:02:57
mention
1:02:57
is
1:02:57
most
1:02:58
cases
1:02:58
if
1:02:59
you
1:02:59
go
1:02:59
with
1:03:00
Amazon
1:03:00
or
1:03:01
ingramsparks
1:03:02
especially
1:03:03
on
1:03:03
the
1:03:03
soft
1:03:04
COVID
1:03:04
side
1:03:05
generally
1:03:06
I
1:03:06
know
1:03:06
for
1:03:06
Amazon
1:03:07
for
1:03:07
example
1:03:08
every
1:03:08
time
1:03:09
I
1:03:09
purchase
1:03:10
one
1:03:10
of
1:03:10
my
1:03:10
guests
1:03:11
books
1:03:11
I
1:03:12
can
1:03:12
tell
1:03:12
how
1:03:12
they've
1:03:13
had
1:03:13
it
1:03:13
set
1:03:13
up
1:03:13
and
1:03:14
formatted
1:03:15
and
1:03:15
the
1:03:15
service
1:03:15
they've
1:03:16
used.
1:03:17
Because
1:03:17
if
1:03:18
they've
1:03:18
gone
1:03:18
directly
1:03:19
and
1:03:19
used
1:03:19
a
1:03:19
book
1:03:20
formatter
1:03:20
and
1:03:21
set
1:03:21
it
1:03:21
right
1:03:21
up
1:03:22
on
1:03:22
Amazon
1:03:23
themselves,
1:03:24
I'm
1:03:24
getting
1:03:24
the
1:03:25
book
1:03:25
in
1:03:25
one
1:03:25
to
1:03:25
two
1:03:26
days
1:03:26
and
1:03:27
beautifully
1:03:27
done.
1:03:28
Or
1:03:29
if
1:03:29
they
1:03:29
use
1:03:30
a
1:03:30
third
1:03:31
party
1:03:31
service.
1:03:32
I
1:03:32
had
1:03:33
a
1:03:33
guest
1:03:34
who
1:03:34
I
1:03:34
loved
1:03:34
her
1:03:35
book
1:03:35
and
1:03:36
I
1:03:36
actually
1:03:36
showed
1:03:36
it
1:03:36
on
1:03:37
the
1:03:37
screen
1:03:37
here.
1:03:37
It
1:03:38
was
1:03:38
called
1:03:39
Hope
1:03:39
is
1:03:39
a
1:03:39
Blanket.
1:03:40
Oh
1:03:40
yeah.
1:03:41
And
1:03:41
as
1:03:42
you
1:03:42
can
1:03:42
see
1:03:42
the
1:03:42
reason
1:03:43
I'm
1:03:43
only
1:03:43
showing
1:03:43
this
1:03:44
book
1:03:44
is
1:03:44
exact.
1:03:45
It's
1:03:45
the
1:03:45
same
1:03:46
format
1:03:46
as
1:03:47
our
1:03:47
children's
1:03:48
book.
1:03:48
This
1:03:49
took
1:03:49
nine
1:03:49
weeks
1:03:50
to
1:03:50
get
1:03:51
interesting
1:03:52
from
1:03:52
Amazon
1:03:54
because
1:03:55
it
1:03:55
was
1:03:55
printed,
1:03:56
it
1:03:57
was
1:03:57
printed
1:03:57
in
1:03:57
the
1:03:57
States
1:03:59
like
1:03:59
we're
1:03:59
in
1:03:59
Canada.
1:04:00
My
1:04:00
book,
1:04:01
if
1:04:01
you
1:04:01
order
1:04:02
it,
1:04:02
if
1:04:02
you
1:04:02
order
1:04:03
our
1:04:03
book
1:04:03
in
1:04:03
the
1:04:03
United
1:04:04
States
1:04:04
it
1:04:04
gets
1:04:04
printed
1:04:05
in
1:04:05
the
1:04:05
United
1:04:05
States.
1:04:06
If
1:04:06
you
1:04:06
order
1:04:06
it
1:04:07
in
1:04:07
Canada,
1:04:07
it
1:04:07
gets
1:04:07
printed
1:04:08
in
1:04:08
Canada.
1:04:09
And
1:04:10
Amazon
1:04:10
has
1:04:11
many
1:04:11
printing
1:04:12
facilities
1:04:12
so
1:04:13
it's
1:04:13
just
1:04:14
not
1:04:14
coming
1:04:14
out
1:04:14
of
1:04:15
one
1:04:15
location.
1:04:16
When
1:04:16
you
1:04:17
use
1:04:17
kdp.
1:04:18
Yeah.
1:04:18
Printing.
1:04:19
That's.
1:04:19
And
1:04:19
so
1:04:20
that's
1:04:20
why
1:04:20
you're
1:04:20
get.
1:04:21
Can
1:04:21
get
1:04:21
it
1:04:21
in
1:04:22
next
1:04:22
day
1:04:22
or
1:04:23
two
1:04:23
day
1:04:23
delivery.
1:04:24
Yeah,
1:04:25
yeah.
1:04:25
They're.
1:04:25
I
1:04:25
think
1:04:26
they're
1:04:26
print
1:04:26
shops
1:04:26
out
1:04:26
east
1:04:27
if
1:04:27
I'm
1:04:27
not
1:04:28
mistaken.
1:04:28
I'm
1:04:29
sorry,
1:04:29
I
1:04:30
think
1:04:30
their
1:04:30
print
1:04:30
shop,
1:04:30
Amazon's
1:04:31
is
1:04:31
on
1:04:32
summer
1:04:33
eastern
1:04:34
in
1:04:34
Canada.
1:04:35
It's
1:04:35
not,
1:04:36
it's
1:04:36
not
1:04:36
Ontario.
1:04:37
Oh
1:04:37
you
1:04:37
know
1:04:37
what,
1:04:37
it's
1:04:38
interesting
1:04:38
if
1:04:39
you
1:04:39
order
1:04:39
your.
1:04:40
And
1:04:41
just
1:04:41
so
1:04:41
everyone
1:04:42
understands,
1:04:42
if
1:04:42
you
1:04:43
order
1:04:43
let's
1:04:43
say
1:04:44
10
1:04:44
copies
1:04:45
because
1:04:46
Amazon
1:04:46
gives
1:04:46
you
1:04:47
authors
1:04:47
pricing.
1:04:48
Yes.
1:04:49
So
1:04:49
let's
1:04:49
say
1:04:49
you
1:04:49
order
1:04:50
five
1:04:50
or
1:04:50
10
1:04:50
copies
1:04:51
that
1:04:52
would
1:04:52
come
1:04:52
from
1:04:53
a
1:04:53
different
1:04:53
print
1:04:54
shop
1:04:54
than
1:04:55
if
1:04:56
you
1:04:56
ordered
1:04:56
one
1:04:57
book
1:04:57
locally.
1:04:58
And
1:04:59
I
1:04:59
know
1:04:59
this
1:04:59
for
1:04:59
a
1:05:00
fact
1:05:00
because
1:05:00
I've
1:05:00
done
1:05:00
that.
1:05:01
I
1:05:01
ordered
1:05:02
our
1:05:02
book
1:05:02
locally
1:05:03
one
1:05:03
book,
1:05:04
it
1:05:04
came
1:05:05
from
1:05:06
15
1:05:06
minutes
1:05:06
from
1:05:07
my
1:05:07
house
1:05:07
and
1:05:08
printed.
1:05:09
Yeah.
1:05:09
And
1:05:09
When
1:05:10
I
1:05:10
ordered
1:05:10
10
1:05:10
copies,
1:05:11
it
1:05:11
came
1:05:11
from
1:05:12
a
1:05:12
printing
1:05:13
service
1:05:14
in
1:05:14
Bolton,
1:05:15
Ontario.
1:05:15
Ontario.
1:05:16
Okay.
1:05:16
Yeah.
1:05:17
I
1:05:17
did
1:05:17
not
1:05:17
know
1:05:17
that.
1:05:17
That
1:05:18
explains
1:05:18
the
1:05:18
quality
1:05:19
difference
1:05:19
you
1:05:19
get
1:05:19
sometimes.
1:05:20
So,
1:05:20
you
1:05:20
know,
1:05:21
I
1:05:21
don't
1:05:21
notice
1:05:22
much
1:05:22
quality.
1:05:22
People
1:05:23
always
1:05:23
say
1:05:23
that
1:05:24
to
1:05:24
me.
1:05:24
But
1:05:24
I
1:05:24
put.
1:05:25
I've
1:05:25
put
1:05:25
the
1:05:25
books
1:05:26
up
1:05:26
against
1:05:26
each
1:05:26
other.
1:05:27
I've
1:05:28
really
1:05:28
not
1:05:28
noticed.
1:05:29
Oh,
1:05:29
good.
1:05:29
Yeah,
1:05:30
a
1:05:30
heck
1:05:30
of
1:05:30
a
1:05:31
lot
1:05:31
of
1:05:31
difference
1:05:31
in
1:05:32
quality.
1:05:33
And
1:05:33
again,
1:05:33
remember,
1:05:34
it's
1:05:34
a
1:05:34
children's
1:05:35
book
1:05:35
that's
1:05:35
going
1:05:36
to
1:05:36
get
1:05:36
bust
1:05:37
and
1:05:37
must
1:05:37
and
1:05:38
the
1:05:38
breakfast
1:05:39
mustard
1:05:40
and
1:05:40
all
1:05:40
that
1:05:40
all
1:05:40
over
1:05:41
it.
1:05:41
They
1:05:41
don't
1:05:42
care.
1:05:42
Yeah,
1:05:43
exactly.
1:05:43
They
1:05:44
like
1:05:44
the
1:05:44
illustrations
1:05:45
and
1:05:45
story.
1:05:46
I
1:05:46
guess
1:05:46
the
1:05:46
thing
1:05:46
I
1:05:46
want
1:05:47
to
1:05:47
mention
1:05:47
is
1:05:48
when
1:05:48
someone
1:05:49
needs
1:05:50
a
1:05:50
book
1:05:50
formatter,
1:05:52
generally
1:05:53
they're
1:05:54
the
1:05:54
book
1:05:54
formatters.
1:05:56
Probably
1:05:56
got
1:05:56
a
1:05:56
graphic
1:05:57
design
1:05:58
background
1:05:59
and
1:05:59
then
1:06:00
they've
1:06:00
taken
1:06:00
on
1:06:01
the
1:06:01
skill
1:06:01
as
1:06:01
a
1:06:01
book
1:06:02
formatter.
1:06:02
Is
1:06:02
that
1:06:03
how
1:06:03
you
1:06:03
would
1:06:03
see
1:06:03
it?
1:06:04
Yeah,
1:06:04
the
1:06:05
two
1:06:05
go
1:06:05
hand
1:06:05
in
1:06:06
hand.
1:06:06
Way
1:06:06
back
1:06:07
before
1:06:07
computers
1:06:08
started
1:06:08
taking
1:06:09
over,
1:06:09
a
1:06:09
typographer
1:06:10
was
1:06:11
a
1:06:11
type
1:06:11
of
1:06:11
designer.
1:06:12
And
1:06:13
their
1:06:13
entire
1:06:14
career
1:06:14
was
1:06:14
just
1:06:15
to
1:06:15
build
1:06:15
faces
1:06:16
used
1:06:16
by
1:06:17
formatters.
1:06:18
But
1:06:18
as
1:06:19
technology
1:06:20
keeps
1:06:20
getting
1:06:21
better
1:06:21
and
1:06:21
more
1:06:22
tools
1:06:22
keep
1:06:22
becoming
1:06:23
available,
1:06:24
the
1:06:24
design
1:06:24
role
1:06:25
has
1:06:25
mutated
1:06:26
quite
1:06:26
a
1:06:26
bit
1:06:27
and
1:06:27
everything
1:06:27
just
1:06:28
blends
1:06:28
together.
1:06:29
But
1:06:30
a
1:06:30
formatter
1:06:31
without
1:06:31
a
1:06:31
graphic
1:06:32
background
1:06:33
is
1:06:33
probably
1:06:34
a
1:06:34
little
1:06:34
wary,
1:06:35
should
1:06:35
probably
1:06:36
ask
1:06:36
to
1:06:36
see
1:06:36
their
1:06:36
portfolio.
1:06:37
I
1:06:37
just
1:06:38
wanted
1:06:38
to
1:06:38
make
1:06:38
sure
1:06:38
people
1:06:39
understand
1:06:39
that.
1:06:39
I
1:06:40
think
1:06:40
having
1:06:41
the
1:06:41
graphic
1:06:42
design
1:06:43
skills
1:06:43
from
1:06:43
my
1:06:44
experience
1:06:44
is
1:06:44
extremely
1:06:45
important
1:06:46
if
1:06:46
you're
1:06:46
going
1:06:47
to
1:06:47
go
1:06:47
and
1:06:47
look
1:06:47
for.
1:06:48
A
1:06:48
book
1:06:48
formatter,
1:06:49
especially
1:06:49
for
1:06:50
children's
1:06:50
books,
1:06:51
because
1:06:51
the
1:06:52
typeface
1:06:52
is
1:06:52
very
1:06:53
specific
1:06:53
for
1:06:54
readability.
1:06:54
Okay.
1:06:55
And
1:06:55
we're
1:06:56
just
1:06:56
about
1:06:56
to
1:06:56
wrap
1:06:57
up
1:06:57
here.
1:06:57
Kahn,
1:06:58
is
1:06:58
there
1:06:58
anything
1:06:59
you
1:06:59
thought,
1:06:59
oh,
1:06:59
you
1:07:00
know
1:07:00
what,
1:07:00
maybe
1:07:01
I
1:07:01
should
1:07:01
have
1:07:01
mentioned
1:07:02
this
1:07:02
or
1:07:02
we
1:07:03
pretty
1:07:03
much
1:07:03
stay
1:07:04
to
1:07:04
the
1:07:04
inside
1:07:04
of
1:07:05
the
1:07:05
book
1:07:05
and
1:07:05
bringing
1:07:05
the
1:07:06
book
1:07:06
to
1:07:06
life
1:07:06
after
1:07:07
we've
1:07:07
had
1:07:07
the
1:07:08
edited
1:07:08
and
1:07:09
illustrations
1:07:09
or
1:07:10
anything
1:07:10
else
1:07:10
you'd
1:07:11
like
1:07:11
to
1:07:11
add.
1:07:12
We
1:07:12
were
1:07:12
talking
1:07:12
just
1:07:13
briefly
1:07:13
before.
1:07:14
Have
1:07:14
a
1:07:14
business
1:07:14
plan.
1:07:15
Know
1:07:15
what
1:07:15
you
1:07:15
want
1:07:16
your
1:07:16
book
1:07:16
to
1:07:16
do.
1:07:16
It's
1:07:17
across
1:07:18
all
1:07:18
types
1:07:18
of
1:07:18
authors.
1:07:19
Know
1:07:19
what
1:07:20
you
1:07:20
want
1:07:20
from
1:07:20
your
1:07:20
book.
1:07:21
Some
1:07:21
people
1:07:21
are
1:07:21
just
1:07:21
happy
1:07:22
to
1:07:22
physically
1:07:23
hold
1:07:23
their
1:07:23
book.
1:07:24
Others
1:07:24
are
1:07:24
happy
1:07:24
just
1:07:25
to
1:07:25
sell
1:07:25
to
1:07:26
friends
1:07:26
and
1:07:26
family,
1:07:27
maybe
1:07:27
make
1:07:27
it
1:07:27
to
1:07:28
100
1:07:28
sales
1:07:29
locally.
1:07:30
Others
1:07:31
want
1:07:31
to
1:07:31
go
1:07:31
big.
1:07:31
Others
1:07:32
are
1:07:32
somewhere
1:07:33
in
1:07:33
between.
1:07:33
And
1:07:34
that
1:07:35
is
1:07:36
where
1:07:36
knowing
1:07:38
your
1:07:38
path
1:07:39
will
1:07:39
determine
1:07:40
your
1:07:40
business
1:07:40
plan.
1:07:41
And
1:07:41
I
1:07:41
think
1:07:41
those
1:07:41
terms
1:07:42
are
1:07:42
interchangeable
1:07:43
with
1:07:43
writing.
1:07:43
Knowing
1:07:44
your
1:07:44
path
1:07:44
and
1:07:45
seeing
1:07:46
at
1:07:46
least
1:07:46
a
1:07:47
little
1:07:47
bit
1:07:47
down
1:07:47
the
1:07:48
road
1:07:48
past
1:07:49
just
1:07:49
getting
1:07:50
the
1:07:50
book
1:07:50
published.
1:07:51
Because
1:07:51
we
1:07:51
were
1:07:51
talking
1:07:52
about
1:07:52
all
1:07:52
these
1:07:52
little
1:07:52
things
1:07:53
that
1:07:53
come
1:07:53
up
1:07:54
just
1:07:54
to
1:07:54
get
1:07:54
the
1:07:54
book
1:07:55
done.
1:07:55
What
1:07:55
comes
1:07:56
after
1:07:56
that?
1:07:56
Because
1:07:57
often
1:07:57
with
1:07:57
books
1:07:58
you
1:07:58
get
1:07:58
that
1:07:58
first
1:07:59
initial
1:07:59
launch.
1:07:59
There's
1:08:00
the
1:08:00
hype,
1:08:00
it's
1:08:01
exciting,
1:08:01
the
1:08:01
book's
1:08:01
out,
1:08:02
everyone's
1:08:02
excited
1:08:03
for
1:08:03
you,
1:08:03
you're
1:08:03
making
1:08:04
sales,
1:08:04
reviews
1:08:05
are
1:08:05
coming
1:08:05
in
1:08:06
and
1:08:06
then
1:08:06
the
1:08:06
book
1:08:06
just
1:08:07
plummets
1:08:07
and
1:08:08
everything's
1:08:08
dead.
1:08:09
Just
1:08:09
so
1:08:09
everyone
1:08:09
understands,
1:08:11
Klein
1:08:11
can
1:08:11
help
1:08:12
you
1:08:12
get
1:08:12
the
1:08:12
finished
1:08:13
product.
1:08:14
But
1:08:14
that
1:08:15
even
1:08:15
though
1:08:15
that
1:08:16
sounds
1:08:16
like
1:08:16
the
1:08:17
end
1:08:17
of
1:08:17
your
1:08:17
journey,
1:08:18
it's
1:08:18
just
1:08:18
the
1:08:19
beginning
1:08:19
of
1:08:19
your
1:08:20
journey
1:08:21
really
1:08:21
is.
1:08:21
And
1:08:22
books
1:08:22
can
1:08:22
take
1:08:22
you
1:08:22
into
1:08:23
all
1:08:23
sorts
1:08:23
of
1:08:23
places
1:08:24
you
1:08:24
would
1:08:24
have
1:08:24
never
1:08:24
expected.
1:08:25
Your
1:08:25
book
1:08:25
becomes
1:08:26
your
1:08:26
adventure.
1:08:27
And
1:08:27
yeah
1:08:28
yeah,
1:08:29
Kahn,
1:08:29
thank
1:08:30
you
1:08:30
for
1:08:30
all
1:08:30
your
1:08:30
great
1:08:31
insights,
1:08:31
your
1:08:32
straightforward
1:08:33
answers.
1:08:34
They
1:08:34
definitely
1:08:34
taken
1:08:35
some
1:08:35
of
1:08:35
the
1:08:35
mystery
1:08:36
out
1:08:36
of
1:08:36
self
1:08:37
publishing
1:08:37
a
1:08:37
children's
1:08:38
books.
1:08:39
What's
1:08:39
the
1:08:39
best
1:08:39
way
1:08:40
to
1:08:40
connect
1:08:40
with
1:08:40
you?
1:08:41
You
1:08:41
can
1:08:41
find
1:08:42
me
1:08:42
at
1:08:43
for
1:08:43
my
1:08:44
design
1:08:44
work
1:08:45
if
1:08:45
you're
1:08:45
curious
1:08:45
is
1:08:46
revealedesign
1:08:47
ca
1:08:48
and
1:08:48
that's
1:08:48
R
1:08:48
E
1:08:49
V
1:08:49
E
1:08:49
A
1:08:49
L
1:08:50
Design
1:08:51
Ca
1:08:51
My
1:08:52
portfolio
1:08:52
is
1:08:52
there,
1:08:53
my
1:08:53
contact
1:08:53
information.
1:08:54
Or
1:08:55
you
1:08:55
could
1:08:55
just
1:08:55
Google
1:08:56
Con
1:08:56
Lavery.
1:08:57
I'll
1:08:57
show
1:08:57
up
1:08:58
whether
1:08:58
it's
1:08:58
my
1:08:58
author
1:08:59
site
1:08:59
or
1:08:59
my
1:08:59
report.
1:09:00
Design
1:09:00
portfolio
1:09:01
with
1:09:02
email
1:09:02
is
1:09:03
usually
1:09:03
the
1:09:03
fastest
1:09:04
way
1:09:04
you
1:09:04
can
1:09:04
get
1:09:04
a
1:09:04
hold
1:09:04
of
1:09:05
me.
1:09:05
Social
1:09:05
media,
1:09:06
I'm
1:09:06
a
1:09:06
little
1:09:06
slower
1:09:07
on
1:09:07
because
1:09:08
yeah,
1:09:08
I'm
1:09:08
usually
1:09:09
writing
1:09:09
or
1:09:09
designing.
1:09:10
No,
1:09:10
no
1:09:11
problem.
1:09:11
Well,
1:09:11
you
1:09:12
know
1:09:12
what
1:09:12
folks,
1:09:12
we'll
1:09:13
provide
1:09:13
you
1:09:13
with
1:09:14
all
1:09:14
the
1:09:14
links
1:09:15
to
1:09:15
Kahn's
1:09:16
website
1:09:16
and
1:09:17
the
1:09:17
other
1:09:17
links
1:09:18
that
1:09:18
he
1:09:18
mentioned,
1:09:19
the
1:09:19
social
1:09:19
media
1:09:19
links
1:09:20
in
1:09:20
the
1:09:21
show
1:09:21
notes
1:09:22
and
1:09:22
if
1:09:22
you
1:09:22
found
1:09:23
this
1:09:23
episode
1:09:24
to
1:09:24
be
1:09:24
valuable
1:09:25
and
1:09:25
could
1:09:25
benefit
1:09:26
others,
1:09:26
please
1:09:27
pass
1:09:27
it
1:09:27
along.
1:09:28
Also,
1:09:28
if
1:09:28
you
1:09:29
could
1:09:29
give
1:09:29
us
1:09:29
a
1:09:29
five
1:09:30
star
1:09:30
rating
1:09:31
and
1:09:31
review
1:09:31
and
1:09:32
subscribe
1:09:32
to
1:09:32
our
1:09:33
show,
1:09:33
that
1:09:33
would
1:09:33
be
1:09:34
awesome.
1:09:34
Thank
1:09:35
you
1:09:35
Kahn.
1:09:36
Yeah,
1:09:36
thanks
1:09:36
for
1:09:37
having
1:09:37
me.
1:09:37
This
1:09:37
was
1:09:37
fun.