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The Kenny Report | 19 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 4: Tonight, the world awaits American military action against Iran. As
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  Speaker 4: the missile exchanges between Israel and Iran continue, I'll speak
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  Speaker 4: with Israel's ambassador to Australia, former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer,
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  Speaker 4: unloads on the Albanesi government's diplomacy on the Middle East crisis.
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  Speaker 4: I'll catch up with the tour guide in Jerusalem, who's
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  Speaker 4: been helping Ozzie's get home from Israel worldwide media interest.
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  Speaker 4: As Victoria's Mushroom murder trial gets close to a conclusion,
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  Speaker 4: I'll catch up with John Ferguson, who broke the story
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  Speaker 4: two years ago in The Australian. Also tonight, Reckless Renewables,
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  Speaker 4: the Drought, and Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson to make
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  Speaker 4: sense of the world around us.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get started. We are at an inflection point in history.
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  Speaker 4: The malevolent threat that Iran has posed to Israel, across
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  Speaker 4: the Middle East and to the broader world for almost
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  Speaker 4: the past half a century could be coming to an end.
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  Speaker 4: The current war involves only Israel and Iran, of course,
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  Speaker 4: after Israel responded militarily to the terrorism from Iran's proxies,
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  Speaker 4: direct attacks from Iran, and the looming catastrophic threat of
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  Speaker 4: Iranian nuclear weapons. But of course, Israel has a great
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  Speaker 4: and powerful ally in the United States, and Iran has
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  Speaker 4: close links with Russia. The Iranian regime is odious enough
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  Speaker 4: of itself. It's an extremist Islamic dictatorship where women are
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  Speaker 4: arrested on the streets for not wearing a veil appropriately
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  Speaker 4: and have died in custody, where others are jailed for
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  Speaker 4: daring to dance, and where people are executed in their
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  Speaker 4: hundreds every year, including for alleged political crimes opposing the regime.
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  Speaker 4: But aside from these human rights violations, Iran exports terrorism
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  Speaker 4: across the.
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  Speaker 3: Middle East and the world.
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  Speaker 4: It's held foreigners as hostages dating right back to the
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  Speaker 4: Islamic Revolution and the US Embassy disgrace, and it's allegedly
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  Speaker 4: backed assassination plots against the US President and all along
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  Speaker 4: a succession of Iranian religious and political leaders have promised
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  Speaker 4: to obliterate Israel from the face of the earth.
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  Speaker 5: I'majod told an audience that quote this origin of corruption
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  Speaker 5: will soon be wiped off the Earth's face. Jod also
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  Speaker 5: called the US a Satanic power that, with God's will,
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  Speaker 5: would be annihilated.
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  Speaker 6: My point of view is that the Zionist regime is
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  Speaker 6: the manifestation of racism.
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  Speaker 7: Death to America, death to Great Britain, death to Israel,
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  Speaker 7: death to the hypocrites, the hypocrites meaning the MK and
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  Speaker 7: find it's wrang not.
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  Speaker 8: To hod that regimea called civil side. You nice, I
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  Speaker 8: told you about your regime, say Hamburger, you know the
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  Speaker 8: short I told you about you? And this would be
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  Speaker 8: either mobile being or before Mooney.
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  Speaker 4: Now, while all this has gone on, a succession of
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  Speaker 4: Western leaders, US presidents, European leaders, Australian prime ministers, you
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  Speaker 4: name them, they've all called for Iran to abandon its
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  Speaker 4: nuclear weapons program, signing up to deals and sanctions arrangements
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  Speaker 4: to force this point. But they've all clearly failed, and Israel,
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  Speaker 4: as the specific target for Iranian nuclear weapons, couldn't afford
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  Speaker 4: to wait any longer.
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  Speaker 9: Israel has a decisive adge in this conflict, dominating the
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  Speaker 9: skies over Tehran for six.
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  Speaker 4: Days Complicating the situation is the way Iran has become
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  Speaker 4: increasingly entangled in the emerging and worrying access between China, Russia,
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  Speaker 4: and North Korea. Donald Trump has been consistent on this
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  Speaker 4: issue for many years.
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  Speaker 10: I believe me Iran will.
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  Speaker 11: Never have a nuclear weapon that I can tender.
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  Speaker 12: Most importantly, the United States and ISUL can declare with
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  Speaker 12: one voice that Iran must never be allowed to possess
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  Speaker 12: a nuclear weapon. Never ever reaffirmed that Iran must never
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  Speaker 12: be allowed to obtain, under any circumstances, a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 11: In order to ensure the other big move, the Iranian regime.
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  Speaker 3: Never obtains nuclear weapons.
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  Speaker 12: A regime with this track record must never be allowed
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  Speaker 12: to possess a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 3: Iran will never have a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 4: So it's no surprise the US President has considered whying
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  Speaker 4: in militarily with Israel to make sure that this action,
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  Speaker 4: already UNDERWAIFA six days now, properly destroys the Iranian nuclear
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  Speaker 4: weapons program. The President is now believed to have signed
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  Speaker 4: off on a US military plan.
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  Speaker 11: You don't know. I may do it, I may not
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  Speaker 11: do it. I mean, nobody knows what I'm going to do.
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  Speaker 11: I can tell you this that.
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  Speaker 13: Iran's got a lot of trouble and they want to negotiate.
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  Speaker 13: And I said, why didn't you negotiate with me before?
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  Speaker 13: All there's death and destruction? Why didn't you nego? I
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  Speaker 13: said to the people, why didn't you negotiate with me
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  Speaker 13: two weeks ago? You could have done fine, You would
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  Speaker 13: have had a country. It's very sad to watch this.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, I've never seen anything like it. So everyone
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  Speaker 13: thought it was going to be the reverse.
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  Speaker 11: I didn't. I didn't think so. And I was telling him,
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  Speaker 11: you got to you got to do something, you got
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  Speaker 11: to negotiate. And at the end last minute, they said, no,
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  Speaker 11: we're not going to do that, and they got hit.
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  Speaker 4: And so we wait to see the exact nature of
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  Speaker 4: US action. It could happen any time, most likely at night.
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  Speaker 4: So given its morning in the Middle East now, the
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  Speaker 4: tensions likely to build in coming die if the US
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  Speaker 4: military action goes ahead. There are a number of ramifications
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  Speaker 4: we need to consider.
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  Speaker 3: First, Israel will breathe a sigh of relief.
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  Speaker 4: The nuclear threat that's hung over it from a country
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  Speaker 4: religiously obsessed with its destruction will be gone. Likewise, Europe
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  Speaker 4: and the rest of the world can rest easy that
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  Speaker 4: we're not seeing a nuclear arms race break out in
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  Speaker 4: malevolent nations.
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  Speaker 3: But what could go wrong?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you do not want Russia busy in Ukraine, of course,
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  Speaker 4: but you don't want Russia getting involved or China either
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  Speaker 4: in any way, shape or form. That's why any US
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  Speaker 4: action is likely to be strictly limited to the nuclear facilities,
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  Speaker 4: targeted only at destroying those facilities. If there's to be
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  Speaker 4: regime change in Iran, which many people, of course are
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  Speaker 4: encouraging from the outside, it's unlikely the US or Israel
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  Speaker 4: would want to be involved.
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  Speaker 3: They'll leave all that to the Iranians.
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  Speaker 4: Many Arab nations will be greatly relieved, from Saudi Arabia
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  Speaker 4: to the Golf States. The Sunni Arab world has long
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  Speaker 4: been almost as worried about Iran as the Israelis have been,
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  Speaker 4: so while they've offered muted criticism of Israel, they will
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  Speaker 4: actually be very grateful for this action. And even without
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  Speaker 4: regime change, Iran's ability to continue funding and arming Hamas,
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  Speaker 4: Hezbollah and the Hooties will be set back, if not
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  Speaker 4: completely curtailed. This could see other terrorism in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 4: especially terrorism targeting Israel, diminish let's hope so an attack
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  Speaker 4: by the US will change Donald Trump's presidency overnight, where
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  Speaker 4: he's boasted about staying out of wars and his promised
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  Speaker 4: peace deals that haven't come yet. A decisive intervention in
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  Speaker 4: Iran would show US resolve and could strengthen Trump's hand
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to dealings over peace deals with Gaza
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  Speaker 4: and even in Ukraine, possibly also giving China pause to
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  Speaker 4: think about its militarization. There's much to be uncertain about,
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  Speaker 4: much that could go wrong, but strong potential for dramatically
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  Speaker 4: improving the strategic circumstances of the Middle East, improving the
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  Speaker 4: chances of peace and prosperity in Lebanon.
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  Speaker 3: And Syria as well as in Gaza.
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  Speaker 4: But there's one very important domestic point that I want
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  Speaker 4: to make about Australia. Australia should have supported Israel throughout
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  Speaker 4: this process, from the moment Iranian funded Humas terrorists unleashed
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  Speaker 4: the atrocities of October the seventh, right through the Iranian
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  Speaker 4: funded rocket attacks from Hesbalah in Lebanon, in Syria and
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  Speaker 4: from the Hutis in Yemen. Australia should have stood by
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  Speaker 4: Israel when Iran attacked directly as well, and it should
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  Speaker 4: have supported Israel last week when it decided to take
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  Speaker 4: out the Iranian nuclear weapons program, a program that Australia
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  Speaker 4: has opposed for decades. But instead Australia has spent the
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  Speaker 4: past twenty months demonizing Israel, voting against it at the
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  Speaker 4: United Nations, banning former ministers from visiting, banning reasonable commentators
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  Speaker 4: from visiting, sanctioning government ministers, and not even calling out
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  Speaker 4: the outrageous warrants from the International Criminal Court. Australia should
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  Speaker 4: have stood with the US behind Israel, but chose not to.
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  Speaker 4: We should have done this both for strategic and moral reasons,
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  Speaker 4: but instead we've been weak, and we've failed to stand
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  Speaker 4: up for freedom and democracy against fanaticism and violence. But
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  Speaker 4: there's another price we've paid for that. If we'd have
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  Speaker 4: done the right thing, it also would have been diplomatically
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  Speaker 4: useful for the US without committing any military assets or money.
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  Speaker 4: Australia could have shown strong diplomatic support of the United States,
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  Speaker 4: acted like a reliable ally in a way that would
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  Speaker 4: have been appreciated by Washington. Albanizi would have got his
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  Speaker 4: meeting with Trump. Australia would have been a strong voice
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  Speaker 4: on the critical issue of the day, and in an
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  Speaker 4: unequal alliance relationship, Australia would have shown that it can
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  Speaker 4: provide more than just a miserly defense spend and a
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  Speaker 4: begging bowl on tariffs. We could have provided moral support.
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  Speaker 4: So it's just a footnote in the history of this
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  Speaker 4: momentous time. But as well as letting down Israel and
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  Speaker 4: the US, Albanizi has led Australia down. The Australian Department
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  Speaker 4: of Foreign Affairs and Trade has been working over time
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  Speaker 4: to help more than a thousand Ozsies get home from
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  Speaker 4: Israel stranded there after the war broke out. But one
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  Speaker 4: Israeli tour guide, working closely with the Australia Israel Jewish
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  Speaker 4: Affairs Council, has managed to get two groups of Oz
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  Speaker 4: these forty people all up out of Israel.
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  Speaker 3: This week.
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  Speaker 4: They've traveled by road into Jordan, where flights from Aman
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  Speaker 4: have been connecting people to Abu Dhabi and Dubai, and
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  Speaker 4: now government officials are looking to follow that lead.
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  Speaker 3: I caught up with Roly Horowitz in.
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  Speaker 4: Jerusalem a short time ago and asked her about missile strikes.
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  Speaker 9: Overnight this morning, there was an alarm at about seven o'clock,
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  Speaker 9: which is a little bit unusual because it's usually at
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  Speaker 9: four in the morning, but today it was at about
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  Speaker 9: seven o'clock in the morning, and so we get a
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  Speaker 9: few alarms. We get the first alarm telling us to
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  Speaker 9: be ready, and then the second one that it's going
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  Speaker 9: to be in our neighborhood, and then the third months
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  Speaker 9: when the sirens actually go.
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  Speaker 1: Off all over the city, and then we go down
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  Speaker 1: to our shelters.
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  Speaker 3: Rollie, I got to know you in my trip to
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  Speaker 3: Israel last month. You're a tour guy. Do you live
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  Speaker 3: in the place? You love the place?
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  Speaker 4: But what you've been up to this week has been extraordinary.
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  Speaker 4: You managed to get two groups of Australians who.
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  Speaker 3: Needed to leave Israel out of the country.
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  Speaker 4: You took them by road across to the Jordanian border
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  Speaker 4: and got them out safely another group yesterday. Tell us
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  Speaker 4: how difficult this was and whether other people are going
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  Speaker 4: to try and follow in your tracks now.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, Well, the thing is we did the first group
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  Speaker 9: a few days ago, but when Nova Paris was here,
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  Speaker 9: and what is difficult about it is that you just
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  Speaker 9: have to get all the information together. You also have
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  Speaker 9: to liaise with the other side, with the Jordanians, and
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  Speaker 9: you know, make sure that it's a smooth crossing. There
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  Speaker 9: are three crossing points from Israel to Jordan, but Israelis
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  Speaker 9: and our guests can use all three.
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  Speaker 1: Israelis can only use two of those.
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  Speaker 9: So we thought about it that the one that would
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  Speaker 9: be the fastest and the most remote and so less
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  Speaker 9: people would go to, would be the one which is
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  Speaker 9: most north. It's just south of the Sea of Galilee
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  Speaker 9: of the Kinneret, and so that's where we took the
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  Speaker 9: first group, which was an ovust group. And yes, if
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  Speaker 9: you have to get all the paperwork done, I prepare
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  Speaker 9: the people leave early in the morning. It was like
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  Speaker 9: a two hour drive and you don't be relaxed about it. Also,
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  Speaker 9: where you're driving there are the possibilities of there being
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  Speaker 9: an attack, and then you're in an open space. You
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  Speaker 9: have to think about what you would do with the
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  Speaker 9: people you're taking to keep them safe during that ancestor.
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  Speaker 9: So there's a lot of thinking behind it and planning.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thinking and planning.
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  Speaker 4: And you've been with these bus troops as they've gone
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  Speaker 4: out there. As you say, there is a security risk,
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  Speaker 4: but of course most of the missiles don't come in
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  Speaker 4: in daylight hours, so that's on your side. It's brilliant
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  Speaker 4: that you've been able to do this. Of course, once
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  Speaker 4: they get into Jordan, they get to a Man which
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  Speaker 4: is not far across the border, and they have been
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  Speaker 4: able to get flights out of a Man. So it's
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  Speaker 4: brilliant you've been We'll do this about forty Australians, as
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  Speaker 4: I understand it, in these two trips are de fact
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  Speaker 4: now the Australian government looking at your success and thinking
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  Speaker 4: this could be the best way to get the thousand
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  Speaker 4: or so other Australians who want to leave is right
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  Speaker 4: out of the country, I believe.
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  Speaker 9: So I believe they've seen the two success I must
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  Speaker 9: say that the Australian embassy here have been also very cooperative.
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  Speaker 9: Everyone's been really cooperative and we've been able to do it.
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  Speaker 1: As I said, the first.
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  Speaker 9: Try, there were very few people, but as news got
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  Speaker 9: out that this was happening.
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  Speaker 1: When I was there yesterday it was extremely crowded.
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  Speaker 9: There were lots of people going across on foot, and
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  Speaker 9: then there were busloads of people, car loads of people.
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  Speaker 9: And yes, I believe a lot of the people from
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  Speaker 9: Australia are now contacting your embassy. They've taken the model
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  Speaker 9: that we started and are.
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  Speaker 1: Going to be using it us. You need a lot
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  Speaker 1: of patience and you know, just walk across. The sorts
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  Speaker 1: are very hot.
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  Speaker 9: Oh so it's a little difficult for people, and of
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  Speaker 9: course they're dense and worried. So to keep everyone gone
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  Speaker 9: that it's okay and do it in a good spirit.
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  Speaker 4: Roll you need plenty of patients and you have it
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  Speaker 4: in bucket loads. It's so good to talk to you,
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  Speaker 4: So good to see that you're safe and happy. And
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  Speaker 4: thanks so much for helping to get those eysies out.
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  Speaker 3: Stay safe.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you very much, Take care, take care.
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  Speaker 4: Roly horror wit'z there, ripper Israeli helping the Aussies get
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  Speaker 4: out of that country.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to Canberra now live and catch up with
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  Speaker 3: me and.
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  Speaker 4: My mom, who is Israel's ambassador to Australia. Great to
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  Speaker 4: catch up with you again, ambassador. Just first on that
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  Speaker 4: aspect where seeing Australians getting out of Israel via Jordan,
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  Speaker 4: there's no doubt the Israeli government is doing everything it
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  Speaker 4: can to help people in that situation. But you've got
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  Speaker 4: so many Jewish people, Israeli people around the world now
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  Speaker 4: trying to get into Israel.
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  Speaker 3: I want to be there at this time of crisis.
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  Speaker 4: Tell us about how many people want to get into
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  Speaker 4: Israel and whether they're able to do it.
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  Speaker 10: Well, good evening, Ken, Chris, and thank you very much
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  Speaker 10: for having me once again and your show. Well, we
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  Speaker 10: have over one hundred and fifty thousand Israelis that are
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  Speaker 10: really seeking looking to return to our beloved homeland. Yesterday
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  Speaker 10: the first flight landed in Beanngorion Airport, and in the
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  Speaker 10: forthcoming days I believe that more flights will be allowed
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  Speaker 10: to bring back so many Israelis that are waiting to
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  Speaker 10: return to reunite with their beloved ones, and you know,
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  Speaker 10: to be in Israel at such a very difficult time
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  Speaker 10: for all of us.
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  Speaker 4: Now, it appears from all indications that Israel's military action
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  Speaker 4: against i Ran over the past week has been very successful.
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  Speaker 4: Around seems to have been had its capacities completely curtiled.
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  Speaker 4: Do you expect US military involvement is now imminent?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I cannot speak for the Americans. This is for
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  Speaker 10: the Americans to design. What I can say is that
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  Speaker 10: while we are targeting military installation, nuclear sites and nuclear
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  Speaker 10: scientists and the military and RGC leadership. The Iranians are
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  Speaker 10: targeting our major populated centers. Just an hour ago a
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  Speaker 10: barrage of thirty missiles it one of our major medical
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  Speaker 10: centers in the city of Beersheva, and unfortunately some of
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  Speaker 10: the missiles that we were unable to intercept landed in
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  Speaker 10: Tel Aviv area and we have some casualties and some
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  Speaker 10: serious damage to the surrounding.
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  Speaker 3: That's a very.
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  Speaker 4: Important point you make for those people who try to
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  Speaker 4: draw equivalents in situations like these. Israel is attacking military
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  Speaker 4: and strategic facilities. Iran is simply trying to cause chaos
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  Speaker 4: in urban areas in Iran, which is unforgivable, which is
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  Speaker 4: actually a war crime. But I want to go to
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  Speaker 4: the Australian government's response. I've had my say about that before.
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  Speaker 4: For the first five days of this they were saying
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  Speaker 4: nothing but dialogue and diplomacy, no criticism of Iran, But
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  Speaker 4: then yesterday Foreign Minister Penniwong strengthened her language against Iran.
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  Speaker 14: Have a look, Iran must come to the table. Iran
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  Speaker 14: must stop. It's any nuclear weapons program. That is the
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  Speaker 14: fastest way out of the danger Iran and the world,
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  Speaker 14: the region and the people face at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Now that was obvious from the first me of this crisis.
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  Speaker 4: You must be pleased at Penny Wong and the Albanezy
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  Speaker 4: government therefore have now decided to put the onus on Iran,
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  Speaker 4: although they still haven't said anything supportive of Israel.
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  Speaker 10: Well, I'm mainly pleased and proud by the actions taken
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  Speaker 10: by by Israel, by our very efficient air Force, intelligence
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  Speaker 10: and other services that are involved in the ongoing preemptive
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  Speaker 10: operation in Iran. About diplomacy, I can tell you that
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  Speaker 10: for the last thirty years, the international community as a whole,
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  Speaker 10: and I personally when I was based in Washington between
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  Speaker 10: the years two thousand and five and two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 10: we were all looking for ways and means to bring
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  Speaker 10: the Iranians to not just comply with their commitments, but
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  Speaker 10: also to health their nuclear program, whether it was the
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  Speaker 10: E three, the E three plus three, the E three
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  Speaker 10: plus one, and unfortunately, not only that the international community
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  Speaker 10: failed to bring the Ranius to halt their nuclear program,
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  Speaker 10: the Rnians made a major progress. If you recalled, in
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  Speaker 10: day twenty oh five, conversion was a red line, and
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  Speaker 10: since then the Iranians pocket conversion and at the moment
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  Speaker 10: the focuses on in Richmond. While they were sitting in
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  Speaker 10: and negotiating during the last sixty days with the Americans,
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: they continued to spin their center pugues and they made
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: a real progress in their weaponization program.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Also, so uraniums are not really well, they're not trustworthy
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: and Australia has always stood against Australia has always stood
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: with the primacy that I aims to stop Iran getting
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: nuclear weapons. So they should have been critical of a
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: from the outset here. It's taken Penny Wang five days
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: to get to that stage. Have you asked Penny Wong
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: and Anthony Albanesi for overt support of Israel's.
• 22:10
  Speaker 10: Action, Well, we are not directly asking the Australian government.
• 22:16
  Speaker 10: The Australian government has the responsibility for their policies. We
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: are not waiting for the international community.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: To support this.
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: Well, we decided to launch the preemptive attack as Iran
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: poses an immediate and imminent existential threat. Just a month ago,
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: the Supreme Leader Ali Hamney. You know, during the negotiation
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: with the Americans, we're saying Designist Regim that he's a
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: little dangerous, cancerous humor, should certainly be eradicated, and it
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: will be so, mister Hamney, We're not going to wait
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: for you to realize you're evil objectives. We are going
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: to make sure that you won't be able to do so, and.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: That's why we decided to launch the preemptive attack. Ambassador,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: is peace within sight? I'm sorry? Is peace within sight?
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: Well, I'm known for being optimistic by nature. I truly
• 23:22
  Speaker 10: hope that the peace will prevail. And I believe that
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: the region without the nuclear Iran, without Iran, that's threatening,
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: not just Israel, by the way, the Iranians. Iran is
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: engaged in and ongoing efforts to destabilize the entire region,
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: to undermine the moderate.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: The Arab state.
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: And by the way, it's important to remember that ballistic
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: missiles can reach nearly heavy capital also in Europe. So
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: I think that the entire region will benefit from weak Iran,
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: from Iran without the nuclear warton and Iran without ballistic missiles.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Ambassador, So, me and my mom thanks so much for
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: joining us. Thank you, Chris, the Israeli Ambassador to Australia.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Me and my mom there joining us live like a
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: good ambassador. He doesn't want to rub up against our government,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: but I can say it. Our government has done nothing
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: but let Israel down over the past twenty months, has
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: done nothing but demonize Israel when it should have been
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: supporting Israel. And as I am at the start of
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: the program, that's not only been bad for Israel and
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: the US. Because of that, Australia is diminished in my view.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Let's go to a rural Victoria now in fact the
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: city of a Mildura and catch up with Anne Webster,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: who's the Shadow Minister for Regional Development.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us and good to catch up with you.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: While all this is going on, one of the.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Big fights in regional Australia remains the renewable energy roll out,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: which Labors sets it sort of a ramp up even
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: further in its second term. Tell us about what's going on,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: whether regional communities and rural landholders are actually getting a
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: say as to what's happening in there vironments.
• 25:03
  Speaker 15: Well, Chris, it's great to be with you and it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 15: a really good question. Are they getting a say? Well,
• 25:09
  Speaker 15: yesterday Lily Danbrosio, the Minister for Energy in Victoria, traveled
• 25:14
  Speaker 15: to witch you proof. I'll give her a tick for that.
• 25:17
  Speaker 15: She was there to meet with local community. But it
• 25:21
  Speaker 15: was very controlled meeting and with some Shire people present.
• 25:26
  Speaker 15: They tried to explain to her. She said she was
• 25:28
  Speaker 15: there to listen, so they tried to explain to her
• 25:31
  Speaker 15: how damaging this whole renewables roll out, the railroading of
• 25:36
  Speaker 15: their communities, the dividing up of their communities, the impact
• 25:40
  Speaker 15: of his having on mental health and on people's sense
• 25:44
  Speaker 15: of well being. She listened apparently for that entire meeting
• 25:49
  Speaker 15: and at the end she said, well it's going to
• 25:51
  Speaker 15: happen anyway, and that was it. So if that's what
• 25:56
  Speaker 15: the Victorian government thinks is consultation, somebody needs to give
• 26:01
  Speaker 15: them a lesson in what consultation really is all about.
• 26:05
  Speaker 15: Tomorrow we have Vicgrid coming to witch you proof again
• 26:08
  Speaker 15: the center of the Universe, and there will be five
• 26:13
  Speaker 15: shires present and apparently Vicgrid is going to be making
• 26:16
  Speaker 15: a big announcement. Now what would that be given the
• 26:19
  Speaker 15: goals that Victoria has of reaching ninety five percent renewalballs
• 26:24
  Speaker 15: by twenty thirty five, You know, they really want.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: To power ahead with this.
• 26:28
  Speaker 15: And farmers that I've been talking to today are planning
• 26:32
  Speaker 15: a protest so tomorrow, which approof Shire Hall, ten thirty am.
• 26:36
  Speaker 15: I'll give a plug for the protest. Why not to
• 26:39
  Speaker 15: have your say?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: There's an extraordinsolutely, there's.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: An extraordinary contrast here and an extraordinary ideological divide because
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: state and federal governments will knock over mining projects and
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: other manufacturing or industrial projects at the hint of any
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: aboriginal protest or environmental protest. If they've got the environmental
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: tics or the approval from the legitimate aboriginal groups. Something
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: else comes up and they knock over gold mines and
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: the like. But with renewable energy, they don't worry about objections.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: They just barrel on through.
• 27:14
  Speaker 15: It is honestly mind bending that the Victorian government and
• 27:19
  Speaker 15: chrispo and at a federal level are now powering on
• 27:23
  Speaker 15: in his second term to get this job done. Let's
• 27:26
  Speaker 15: face it, all their targets are in place and they
• 27:29
  Speaker 15: can't fail. The problem is they're failing regional communities. And
• 27:34
  Speaker 15: it's regional communities that are bearing the brunt. I can
• 27:37
  Speaker 15: tell you right now, I'm sad when I go through
• 27:42
  Speaker 15: the community and I meet with people who've been generational farmers.
• 27:46
  Speaker 15: They're part of their community, they love their community, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 15: they've always been part of investing in their community. There
• 27:53
  Speaker 15: are people who no longer took to one another, those
• 27:56
  Speaker 15: who are pro those who are against, and their pain
• 27:59
  Speaker 15: is evident, and the governments are just not listening.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's sad and look, some people will have
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: them on their property make a lot of money out
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: of it. The people next door don't get the money
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: but have to put up with the ice saw.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: So that's why it divides communities.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Just briefly before I let you go, I know there's
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: been a bit of rain, there's some more coming through.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Is any of it drought busting?
• 28:23
  Speaker 15: I wouldn't say it's drought busting necessarily. There are some
• 28:26
  Speaker 15: sections of my electorate that have received twenty mills, and
• 28:31
  Speaker 15: farmers tell me there are some little shoots, but it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 15: certainly we're seeing a lot of use with their lambs.
• 28:37
  Speaker 15: The lambs are dying. If I was talking with a
• 28:40
  Speaker 15: farmer today and she said they just cannot get fodder
• 28:44
  Speaker 15: for their sheep, it's incredibly sad and very difficult. Like
• 28:48
  Speaker 15: we toll on our farmers is enormous.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're going to need a lot of fodder to
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: get through winter, and they need the money to get
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: it and they need the fodder.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: There's not much around. Thanks for joining us out, appreciating
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: and Webster.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: There who were the Coalition's a spokesperson for regional community.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: He's got to get to a break.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: On the other side, we're going to catch up with
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: the worldwide media interest in Victoria's mushroom murder trial, which
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: is within days of coming to a conclusion.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I'll catch up with John Ferguson, who broke the story
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: two years ago. Well, it's a case that's gripped the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: country and the world.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: The mushroom murder trial is about to wrap up after
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: eight weeks of evidence. Aaron Patterson is facing three charges
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: of murder and one of attempted murder after allegedly serving
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Beef Wellington's containing death cap mushrooms to four relatives in Victoria.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Miss Patterson maintains her in a sence and has.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Pleaded not guilty to all charges.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Let's bring in John Ferguson, associate editor at The Australian,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: a colleague of mind. He broke the story two years
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: ago and he's followed the trial every day in more all.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: He joins me, now live from Melbourne, good to speak
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: to you. Fergus is been an incredible story. As I said,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: you broke the looming charges first up and have followed
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: the trial now across all the ins and outs of
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: the last eight weeks. I wonder if you can sort
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: of summarize for us what's happened at the trial and
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: what the jury is going to have to consider.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, good day, Chris Well.
• 30:20
  Speaker 16: Basically today Colin Mandy, who is Aaron Patterson Silk, he
• 30:25
  Speaker 16: finished his closing in which he basically said to the
• 30:29
  Speaker 16: told the jury that the prosecution can't, in his view,
• 30:34
  Speaker 16: can't get over the high bar beyond which is beyond
• 30:38
  Speaker 16: reasonable doubt, and he urged the jurors to act on
• 30:42
  Speaker 16: the evidence. His role basically in the closing has been
• 30:46
  Speaker 16: to deconstruct through his perspective, the key prosecution points. And
• 30:52
  Speaker 16: I think the line that really stuck out for me
• 30:55
  Speaker 16: was yesterday. I think it was when he said, or
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: the day before, on earth would anyone want to kill
• 31:01
  Speaker 16: these four people? So that's a very strong line. Now
• 31:05
  Speaker 16: the prosecution it's had its closing and Nanette Rogers sc
• 31:12
  Speaker 16: she talked about for what she said was four calculated deceptions,
• 31:17
  Speaker 16: one being the alleged fabrication fabricated cancer claim, allegedly hiding
• 31:24
  Speaker 16: lethal doses of death cap mushrooms, attempting to make it
• 31:28
  Speaker 16: seem like she suffered death cap mushroom.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Poisoning, and cover up. Now, these are all.
• 31:35
  Speaker 16: Claims made to the jury, and now the process unfolds
• 31:40
  Speaker 16: overcoming days with a judge about to deliver his charge.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Here has been a lot of cross examiner around those
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: alleged actions and comments sort of before, during.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: And after the faithful meal.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: But is it too simplistic to say the key point
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: in this case is no one disputes the fact that
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: this mill led to the deaths.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: It's a matter of whether this was accidental or deliberate. Well,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: that's exactly it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 16: That's that you've you've boiled it down really well, it's
• 32:09
  Speaker 16: it's about you know, there's been a lot of concessions
• 32:12
  Speaker 16: made during the during the case, but that's it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Basically, was it an accident or not? And that's the job.
• 32:21
  Speaker 16: The jury will listen to what the judge says next
• 32:24
  Speaker 16: week and then they'll have to decide on what has
• 32:27
  Speaker 16: been you know, many days of evidence and I suppose
• 32:32
  Speaker 16: concessions from the defense and around you know what you know,
• 32:37
  Speaker 16: initially the jury heard that miss Patterson had had had
• 32:44
  Speaker 16: had switched the story around whether she foraged, and the
• 32:48
  Speaker 16: disposal of the food dehydrator, all these things. You know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 16: it's a very complicated case, and when you sit through
• 32:57
  Speaker 16: these things, you see that there's a lot of movie parts, as.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: It were, a lot of moving parts for the jury
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: to weigh up.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Now, this is one of those cases has attracted enormous
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: public interest and therefore media interest.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I see there's been lineups of people trying to get
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: into the gallery each day.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: I heard that there's a documentary crew that tell us
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: about the media interests as well as whether there's any
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: journalists there from overseas.
• 33:22
  Speaker 16: Oh, there has been. It's been absolutely massive. There have
• 33:25
  Speaker 16: been several crews. Ares BBC have had two or three
• 33:30
  Speaker 16: people at different times. The Daily Mail's been It's had
• 33:34
  Speaker 16: just incredible follow up globally.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: It's just it's been one of those I.
• 33:40
  Speaker 16: Suppose cases court cases that has just attract attracted interest
• 33:46
  Speaker 16: because of the various you know, various moving parts as
• 33:49
  Speaker 16: I've talked about more. Wall is in a lot of
• 33:53
  Speaker 16: trib valley best known as being I suppose one of
• 33:56
  Speaker 16: the generators of the nation sort of electric grid. But
• 34:01
  Speaker 16: it's a place that's really struggled economically and really it's
• 34:06
  Speaker 16: being overrun by journalists and Cameron, which is an awful ford.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: As you know, if you've been in journalists.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: For a long time, have well they won't get any
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: money out of them except through expenses.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us for really good to get your analysis.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: John Ferguson there, who's a colleague of mine at the Australian.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Read his stuff in the Australian.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: He's followed this case every step of the way and
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: will be as it concludes in coming days. Now coming
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: up after the great former Foreign Minst Alexander down and
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: I'll talk to him about the likely shape of any
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: US military action in Iran. Plus I will get thoughts
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: on his thoughts on Labour's weak response to this crisis.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Let's get back to the conflict in the Middle East.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And there are credible reports, including from the Wall Street Journal, that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump has approved an attack plan against Iran, but
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: publicly the President is keeping his powder dry.
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: You don't know that I'm going to even do it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: You don't know. I may do it, I may not
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: do it. I mean, nobody knows what I'm going to do.
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: I can tell you there is that Iran's got a
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: lot of trouble and they wanted to negotiate.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: I asked former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer about the likely
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: shape of any US military action.
• 35:20
  Speaker 17: The objective here is to destroy any capacity Iran has
• 35:26
  Speaker 17: to develop nuclear weapons, and that means, amongst other things,
• 35:32
  Speaker 17: destroying the centrifugures, the enrichment facilities at Bordoor. There is
• 35:38
  Speaker 17: no way the Americans would have any intention of sending
• 35:44
  Speaker 17: ground troops into Iran and trying to change the regime.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: They certainly will not do that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 17: And by the way, nor with the Israelis any regime
• 35:54
  Speaker 17: change that takes place in Iran. And let's face it,
• 35:58
  Speaker 17: most Iranians would like to change the regime. That will
• 36:02
  Speaker 17: be left entirely to the Iranian people themselves. I mean,
• 36:07
  Speaker 17: you know, it might be that the Americans provide them
• 36:10
  Speaker 17: with communications support, or the Israelis provide them with communications support.
• 36:16
  Speaker 17: You saw the Israelis hacked into the Iranian TV station
• 36:21
  Speaker 17: with messages calling for the Iranian people to rise up
• 36:25
  Speaker 17: against the regime. Those sorts of support might be possible,
• 36:31
  Speaker 17: but ultimately regime change is going to be a matter
• 36:35
  Speaker 17: for the Iranian people.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: All Right, I want to talk about the Australian government's response,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: which I think has been absolutely pathetic and a mister
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: a very important opportunity.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Here.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Here's a little bit of what Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister,
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: had to say on the weekend.
• 36:49
  Speaker 14: What I would say is the key issue is not
• 36:54
  Speaker 14: is there a threat.
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: There is.
• 36:55
  Speaker 14: We all know that, it's whether or not in response
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: to it, we increase the risk of regional escalation and
• 37:02
  Speaker 14: that would have dire consequences to the people of the region.
• 37:06
  Speaker 14: So that is why Australia has said, we urged the escalation,
• 37:11
  Speaker 14: we urge restraint, we urge dialogue and diplomacy.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Penny Wong, they're talking about dialogue and diplomacy.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: No words of support for the Israeli action or the
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Americans supporting that action, and no words of condemnation for Iran. Initially,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: she did it strengthen her language yesterday where she said
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: the easiest way to resolve this would be for Ran
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: to give up its nuclear ambitions finally, But why couldn't
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: she have said that on day one and at least.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Given the support to Israel's action.
• 37:47
  Speaker 17: As the Australian government's position on this issue and then
• 37:51
  Speaker 17: on many other Middle Eastern issues is just an embarrassment. Honestly,
• 37:56
  Speaker 17: they're humiliating our country.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: With these sorts of words.
• 38:01
  Speaker 17: Of course, de escalation isn't the solution. The solution is
• 38:05
  Speaker 17: to destroy any capacity Iran has to launch nuclear missiles
• 38:10
  Speaker 17: at Israel. That is the objective of the exercise here.
• 38:15
  Speaker 17: De escalation is utterly meaningless, utterly meaningless. And by saying
• 38:20
  Speaker 17: things like that, the Australian government is making itself a
• 38:24
  Speaker 17: laughing stock in Jerusalem and nobody in Tehran cares what
• 38:29
  Speaker 17: they say.
• 38:30
  Speaker 18: Either.
• 38:30
  Speaker 17: Australia is playing itself into a position of complete international
• 38:36
  Speaker 17: irrelevance by by saying these sorts of things, I just
• 38:40
  Speaker 17: find it embarrassing. I mean worse than embarrassing, I find
• 38:44
  Speaker 17: it almost humiliating that our country can't take a simple,
• 38:49
  Speaker 17: clear position against nuclear weapons being.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Used by Iran.
• 38:55
  Speaker 17: And more than that, by instead of braating the Israelis
• 39:01
  Speaker 17: and demanding they agree to a two state solution, berate
• 39:06
  Speaker 17: the Iranians and demand that they accept Israel's right to exist,
• 39:13
  Speaker 17: they stop supporting terrorist a tax on Israel by proxy organizations.
• 39:19
  Speaker 17: And then when that happens. We can talk about a
• 39:22
  Speaker 17: two state solution, but they beate Israel, but they never
• 39:27
  Speaker 17: berate Iran. I mean, I find it absolutely incredible.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Now I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I think this
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: is worth doing for the issues themselves in its own right,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: if you like. But to look at how this plays
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: into our US alliance relationship at a time when the
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Australian government is desperate to get attention and favor from Washington.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't our diplomatic support No one suggesting Australia gets.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Involved in any way militarily, But.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't our strong diplomatic support here actually give some moral support,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: much needed diplomatic support to the.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: US of course.
• 40:05
  Speaker 17: I mean basically, the US is the leader of the
• 40:09
  Speaker 17: Western Alliance, but it needs allies. I mean this is
• 40:13
  Speaker 17: where the British government has been on the whole, much cleverer.
• 40:18
  Speaker 17: I mean British labor government has been much cleverer than
• 40:21
  Speaker 17: the Australian labor government. Kirstarmer has worked with Donald Trump,
• 40:26
  Speaker 17: of course, He's met Donald Trump many times since Trump
• 40:29
  Speaker 17: became the president. Unlike our Paul Burknighted Prime Minister, who
• 40:36
  Speaker 17: is unable to even get a meeting with him. But
• 40:41
  Speaker 17: Kirs Starmer has been supporting efforts that the Americans have
• 40:45
  Speaker 17: made to achieve a CEASEPAR in Ukraine, and of course
• 40:49
  Speaker 17: they're supporting the Americans in the Middle East as well.
• 40:53
  Speaker 17: It's not too difficult for the Australian government to be
• 40:58
  Speaker 17: a supporter of the United States. They might not like
• 41:01
  Speaker 17: Donald Trump, and they may not support the Republican Party
• 41:06
  Speaker 17: and all of that. There's much more at stake here
• 41:09
  Speaker 17: than the Republican Party or Donald Trump. There is the
• 41:13
  Speaker 17: very survival of Israel and that should be an issue
• 41:17
  Speaker 17: of passion for the Australian people. But the Australian government
• 41:22
  Speaker 17: it just calls for de escalation. I find it embarrassing.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Alexander.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Spot On from Alexander down of their home. Now coming
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: up after the break, Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson joined me.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: We will plenty to get through with them. We'll talk
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: about Albow's exploits with Donald Trump and also would be
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Goldberg under fire again.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: You won't believe what she said.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Now, let's get into the National cabinet now with Tim
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Blair and Western Victoria and Mark Nicholson from step make
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: studios in.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: The heart of the base in Melbourne. Good to talk
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: to both of you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's start with the serious issue, the fact that
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  Speaker 4: we understand Donald Trump has approved military plans and we
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: could see US military action against Iran any day. Now,
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  Speaker 4: Tim's is extraordinary because the world's talked about this, I suppose,
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  Speaker 4: for in many respects for almost fifty years, but certainly
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to this nuclear program that's been high
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  Speaker 4: on the agenda for the last decade.
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  Speaker 18: Absolutely, and I think, you know, maybe to the surprise
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  Speaker 18: of a lot of people, the way this has progressed
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  Speaker 18: and the way it's been especially progressed from Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 18: point of view, in the American governments point of view,
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  Speaker 18: it's been step by step. It's been rational, it's been logical,
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  Speaker 18: it's been public, which is I think important, and I
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  Speaker 18: think it's going towards the only sort of sensible way
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  Speaker 18: you can when you're dealing with the regime that is
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  Speaker 18: obviously opposed to the existence of Israel and also opposed
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  Speaker 18: clearly to the existence of many of its own people,
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  Speaker 18: especially women.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And look, you just can't take chances with stuff like this.
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  Speaker 4: And one of the impressive things about here. I want
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: to be critical of Donald Trump at times, and he
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: can be very changeable, but Mark, this is an issue
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  Speaker 4: that he's had remarkable consistency on. He's always said that
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  Speaker 4: the Western world cannot allow Iran to get nuclear weapons,
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  Speaker 4: and he's stuck by that and looks like he's going
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  Speaker 4: to he's going to carry up those actions, stick to
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  Speaker 4: his word.
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  Speaker 2: He's made it incredibly simple, incredibly simple, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how many more warnings and clear warnings you have
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  Speaker 2: to get to make this all stop and to go away.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: You know, maybe it's the art of the.
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  Speaker 2: Deal and he takes it to ten. But it's pretty
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  Speaker 2: clear what's potentially on the cards here. And it's like
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  Speaker 2: if I was the Aatola, like I'm just a dumb infidel,
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  Speaker 2: but I would be surrending.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I've been doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be coming out and even if I wasn't developing
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  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons, which they probably are, I would be coming
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  Speaker 2: out with my hands up, white flags waving and please
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  Speaker 2: don't do anything, because it's pretty clear what's going on.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the game he's playing. I don't
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: know if he's doing this Harko Taco. Trump always chickens out.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be calling him a chicken at a
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: coward and talking about irrevocable, irrevocable damage like he's barking
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  Speaker 2: up the wrong tree. He's like, oh, it's scary, scary stuff. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I would be finding out how to say unconditional surrender
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  Speaker 4: in Farsi and getting it on to social media quick smart.
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  Speaker 3: Let's have a look at the other aspect of this.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, our own dear Prime Minister Anthony Aubernezi went
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: all the way to to Canada hoping to get twenty
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: minutes with Donald Trump, and he missed out, but he
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: had this to.
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  Speaker 3: Say a lot.
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  Speaker 19: I had discussions with President mccron of France, Prime Minister
• 44:36
  Speaker 19: Modi of India, Prime Minister Ramoposa of South Africa, Prime
• 44:40
  Speaker 19: Minister Shinbaum of Mexico, Prime Minister Maloney of Italy, as
• 44:46
  Speaker 19: well as saying gooday to a whole bunch of other
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  Speaker 19: people during the day.
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  Speaker 4: This is just delightful, Tim, He's wandering around Canada saying
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: gooday to anybody, like I didn't get to meet the president,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: but you'll do.
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  Speaker 18: I think you might have mis gendered Italy's leader there
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  Speaker 18: as well. I'm not sure. Maybe my hearing's not too good,
• 45:06
  Speaker 18: but there might have been a mister maloney. But yeah,
• 45:08
  Speaker 18: I'd like to know what sort of I'd like to hear.
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  Speaker 18: I'd like to read the minutes from those meetings to
• 45:13
  Speaker 18: see if there was anything more than just a good day,
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  Speaker 18: because it didn't sound too substantial, and so it also
• 45:20
  Speaker 18: read a little bit like a kind of report you
• 45:23
  Speaker 18: far when you're claiming expenses.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: You know, I meet all these.
• 45:26
  Speaker 18: People, I did this hate lunch, you know. Yeah, and
• 45:31
  Speaker 18: it seemed a lot of justification for not much achievement.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It all makes me wonder Mark whether he really will
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: go to the NATO summit next week, because if he
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: turned up there and missed out again, there would be
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: you know, it'd looked like the biggest nerd of the dance.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Oh he'll be going, Crease, He'll definitely be going. He
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: loves it made he can't.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't miss it for the world.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: This is his favorite thing.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I know this like I own a company. I've been
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: to a few, you know, these conferences and stuff.
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  Speaker 11: You go, you go, you have a couple of beers.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: You call it networking, all that sort of stuff.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: He's basically slurring his words.
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: That's what he's doing there.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: He's just like any of us, but he's doing on
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: the taxpayer dime.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: And i'll tell you what.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: He's boasted a video of him hugging all these world
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: leaders and saying good ay to them, and all the photos.
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  Speaker 3: He looks very He looked very on it. He looks
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: like a man.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Once you see this, you can't unsee it. By the way, boys,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: he looks like a man that's just wandering around trying
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to hold in a fart. He's very, very embarrassing when
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: he's on these things. It looks he's very awkward. And
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: you know that if he did drop one, he just
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: denied anyway. But he just walks around embarrassing as on
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the world stage.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: We're all paying for it.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: But you mayn't you make him sound like Les Patterson. Hey,
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Tim just mentioned the appalling treatment of women by the
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Iranian regime.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Now we're talking about young.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Girls hauled off the streets for not wearing a veil,
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: properly dying in custody. We're talking about people arrested and
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: sent to jail for ten years because they dared to dance.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: We're talking about people executed because they're against the race.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: This is odious, completely odious. But listen to whoop Be
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Goldberg on the view that Lefty show in the US.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: She seems to think that it's it's it's just as
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: bad for black people in America as it is for women.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: In a round.
• 47:13
  Speaker 20: Have a look the year twenty twenty five the United
• 47:16
  Speaker 20: States is nothing like if I stepped foot wearing this
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  Speaker 20: younger people around, I'm sorry, I mean, I can't have
• 47:23
  Speaker 20: my hair showing, I can't wear a skirt, I can't
• 47:25
  Speaker 20: have my think it's very different to live in the
• 47:28
  Speaker 20: United States in twenty twenty five than it is to
• 47:29
  Speaker 20: live in an.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: You're black, not for everybody, Not every're black.
• 47:33
  Speaker 20: Guys don't go to Turan, do not.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: And you know, let me tell you about being in
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: this country.
• 47:38
  Speaker 11: This is the greatest country in the world.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I know that, I know that, and we
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: all know that. But every day we are worried.
• 47:48
  Speaker 11: Do we have to be worried about our kids?
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: Are their kids going to get shot because they're running
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: through somebody's neighbor.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Mark This is going to be the worst case of
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: equivalence ever, isn't it to compare life in America to
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: life for women in Iran.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm now almost convinced that Whoopy Goldberg just exists
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: to raise my blood pressure. It's some sort of pharmaceutical
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: scam or something to try and get me on some
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: sort of medication, because she she just fires me up
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: every time I see this stuff, Like the equivalence is awful,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: but it's just it's so misguided and just the even
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: the concept of this multi millionaire to be able to
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: stand here with the benefit of free speech to say
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: something so stupid should be something that she's so grateful for.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: It's just so wrong.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: It's just so wrong.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: The good thing about Whoopy Goldberg is she does make
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: my hairstyle look good. I want to show another exit
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: from American television that this is Tucker Carlson, I think
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: quite fairly catching out to Republican centers.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: The ten crews have a look.
• 48:57
  Speaker 21: How many people living around? By the way, I don't
• 48:59
  Speaker 21: know the population at all. No, I don't know the population.
• 49:03
  Speaker 21: You don't know the population of the country you seek
• 49:05
  Speaker 21: to topple. How many people living.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Around nine need two million? Okay, how could you not
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: know that?
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: I don't sit around memorizing population tables.
• 49:16
  Speaker 21: Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the
• 49:18
  Speaker 21: overthrow of the government.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: It's a bit of a gotcha, Tim, but quickly it
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: was a fair enough goucha, wasn't it.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: You should know that pare.
• 49:26
  Speaker 18: Enough gotcha and also not handled in an especially smooth way.
• 49:30
  Speaker 18: I mean, when you're asked what may or may not
• 49:33
  Speaker 18: have been a gotcha, you don't give the person who's
• 49:36
  Speaker 18: asked you that the opportunity to answer it. I can
• 49:38
  Speaker 18: fire back as the hall. I'll play the same trick
• 49:41
  Speaker 18: on you.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: You did get me, all right?
• 49:48
  Speaker 18: How good would Woby Goldberg go with that surname in
• 49:50
  Speaker 18: a ruck? Seriously?
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Or Iran rather?
• 49:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she would not last five minutes, well said, thanks
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: so much. Tim and Mark were right out of time.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: We'll catch you next week. Here's Peter Kredlin.