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ETs Teach People to Levitate · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Got a
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Speaker 1: very special episode for you today. This is something pretty different.
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Speaker 1: I think the title of this episode is ET's teach
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Speaker 1: people to Levitate? And yes, this is actually a thing.
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Speaker 1: UFO contact can be incredibly spiritually and psychically transformative. As
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Speaker 1: a general rule, people who have contact experience a large
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Speaker 1: variety of paranormal and psychic events. People who have contact
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Speaker 1: often come away from their experiences with a whole range
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Speaker 1: of abilities, everything from astral travel, past life recall, healing,
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Speaker 1: remote viewing, medium ship, all kinds of things, and among
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Speaker 1: these is the ability to levitate. And I'm not talking
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Speaker 1: about people being lifted up by beams of lights from UFOs.
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Speaker 1: This is an innate, natural human ability. I did write
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Speaker 1: a book about human levitation and it's been well verified
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Speaker 1: in a laboratory setting. Cases occur all over the world.
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Speaker 1: They reach back thousands of years. Actually, there are well
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Speaker 1: over three hundred and thirty documented cases. So my point
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Speaker 1: is levitation is a thing, but there is a connection
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Speaker 1: between having UFO contact and the ability to levitate. I've
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Speaker 1: got about a dozen cases i'd like to share with
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Speaker 1: you today, some of them involving high profile figures in
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Speaker 1: this field, such as Whitley Strieber and Stephen Greer and others.
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Speaker 1: I've also got a very special treat, a first hand
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Speaker 1: interview with Dolly Saffron, subject of my book Symmetry, where
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about her experiences with levitation and
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Speaker 1: how it's connected to UFO contact. Of a dozen cases
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Speaker 1: that I'm presenting here, I suspect this is just the
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Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg, because most people aren't talking about this.
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Speaker 1: This is quite a fantastic experience that people have, and
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Speaker 1: it's one thing to talk about having experiences with ets
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Speaker 1: and UFOs and quite another to tell people guess what
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Speaker 1: I flew. But this is happening, and each time I
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Speaker 1: talk about this, I actually hear more cases. So I've
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Speaker 1: got a lot I want to share with you, and
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Speaker 1: let's just get started. The first case I'd like to
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Speaker 1: discuss comes from French eufologists Ain Michel and Jacques Valais,
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Speaker 1: and the main witness is an anonymous medical doctor identified
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Speaker 1: only by the pseudonym doctor X. But it did appear
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Speaker 1: on French television. So here is his picture and his
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Speaker 1: experience is really quite interesting. It was the early morning
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Speaker 1: hours of November sixth, nineteen sixty eight, when doctor X
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Speaker 1: was woken in his home in southern France by the
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Speaker 1: cries of his infant son, and walking into his son's bedroom,
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Speaker 1: he saw bright flashes of light coming from outside, and
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Speaker 1: looking outside he saw two large, glowing disc shaped objects
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Speaker 1: hovering outside. These two discs merged into one, which then
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Speaker 1: turned onto its side and sent a powerful beam of
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Speaker 1: light into his house. This was followed by a loud bang,
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Speaker 1: and the disc disappeared. At this point, the doctor returned
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Speaker 1: to his bedroom and very days and tired, went straight
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Speaker 1: to bed, And the next morning he had largely forgotten
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Speaker 1: what happened until he tripped down the stairs and it
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Speaker 1: all came back to him. But his wife did notice
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Speaker 1: that there were strange things going on because he had
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Speaker 1: an ankle a wound on his ankle. He had been
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Speaker 1: chopping wood with an axe a few days earlier and
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Speaker 1: gashed his ankle real bad, and this wound was completely gone.
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Speaker 1: It was scarred over the whole deal. And furthermore, he
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Speaker 1: was suffering from partial paralysis from injuries suffered in the
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Speaker 1: Algerian War years earlier, and this was also gone. He
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Speaker 1: no longer walked with a limp. He was a professional
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Speaker 1: piano player but had to give it up, and he
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Speaker 1: could play piano again. So he was healed of two conditions.
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Speaker 1: And that's not the only thing. I think. What is
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Speaker 1: important here is what happened a few weeks later, as
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Speaker 1: Jacques Valais writes, and I quote, finally, there is the
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Speaker 1: matter of the paranormal phenomena that now take place around them.
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Speaker 1: Coincidences of a telepathic nature are frequently reported, and the
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Speaker 1: doctor has even on at least one occasion, experienced levitation
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Speaker 1: without being able to control it. According to am Michel,
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Speaker 1: this actually happened twice. The doctor also reported weird problems
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Speaker 1: with watches and other electrical equipment, which is common among contactees.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, the doctor floated right up out of his
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Speaker 1: bed and right up to the cathedral ceilings, which were
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Speaker 1: quite high up. It happened twice, and on one occasion
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Speaker 1: he happened to be holding a piece of fly paper
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Speaker 1: in his hand, which he went all the way up
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Speaker 1: to the ceiling and stuck it on the ceiling. So
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Speaker 1: he was able to verify this to a certain extent
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Speaker 1: when his wife saw this flypaper stuck to the ceiling.
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Speaker 1: And this is just one case of a contactee who
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Speaker 1: levitated following his encounter. There's something about an encounter that
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Speaker 1: is very spiritually transformative. And the second case I'd like
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Speaker 1: to cover comes from Whitley Strieber, author of the record
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Speaker 1: breaking best seller Communion and many other books. He's very
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Speaker 1: well known in this field as being a UFO contact eee.
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Speaker 1: But on the evening of July eighteenth, nineteen eighty six,
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Speaker 1: Whitley had just closed his eyes and lay down to
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Speaker 1: sleep in bed when he heard his sheets rustling strangely.
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Speaker 1: He opened his eyes and received an incredible shock. And
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Speaker 1: I'll just quote him directly as he talks about this
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Speaker 1: experience of levitating, as he says, I was disoriented by
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Speaker 1: what I saw. The first thing I was aware of
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Speaker 1: was that I could see my hands straight out in
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Speaker 1: front of me, as if they were pointed up at
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Speaker 1: the ceiling. The ceiling had changed remarkably. It is a
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Speaker 1: raw pine ceiling, slightly angled towards its peak following the
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Speaker 1: cant of the roof. Now, however, it appeared flat, and
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Speaker 1: there was what looks like a huge rectangular appliance hanging
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Speaker 1: from it. I lay there, staring blankly at the scene
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Speaker 1: before me. After a moment, I realized that the big
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Speaker 1: rectangular object had a woman stuck to it. I had
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Speaker 1: the horrible feeling that the whole thing, woman and all,
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Speaker 1: was about to come off the ceiling and fall on me.
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Speaker 1: Then I realized there was a quilt on it, and sheets,
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Speaker 1: our quilt, our sheets. Beside the woman was an empty place.
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Speaker 1: The scene resolved itself. It was our bed. The woman
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Speaker 1: was Anne. Suddenly I comprehended that I was on the ceiling.
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Speaker 1: I had somehow been pulled up against the ceiling. So
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Speaker 1: at this point Whitley felt as though he was starting
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Speaker 1: to move through the ceiling itself, but he sank down
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Speaker 1: and floated up again, up and down a few more times,
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Speaker 1: and was not really able to control it. As Whitley says,
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Speaker 1: a short time later, I went spiraling down to the bed,
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Speaker 1: moving through the air quickly and landing softly. I had
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Speaker 1: not been unconscious when this took place. I had not
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Speaker 1: been asleep. There was no amnesia and no confusion. I
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Speaker 1: was aware of the fact that I had risen up
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Speaker 1: to the ceiling remained there for a period of time.
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Speaker 1: And then floated back down to the bed. So following this,
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Speaker 1: Whitley did fall asleep, but events weren't over yet. As
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Speaker 1: Whitley says, even the next morning, I did not feel
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Speaker 1: normally heavy. The mere act of walking fast produced in
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Speaker 1: me the impression that I might take off again. So
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Speaker 1: this really impressed Whitley, and he started asking around. He
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Speaker 1: talked to some other contactees and learned that his experience
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Speaker 1: was not unique. As he says, and again I quote recently,
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Speaker 1: physical levitation has been a sociated with a number of
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Speaker 1: contact cases. In January of nineteen eighty eight, I met
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Speaker 1: another person who has had the visitor experience. When she
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Speaker 1: finally felt comfortable with me, she told me the thing
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Speaker 1: she considers strangest about her encounters. I levitated, she said,
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Speaker 1: with a defiant expression. I'm sure I did. Two months later,
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Speaker 1: another woman had a levitation experience strikingly similar to mine.
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Speaker 1: So it's clear to me that this is a by
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Speaker 1: product of UFO contact. And consider what happened to doctor
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Speaker 1: Stephen Greer, MD, who is very well known for starting
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Speaker 1: the group c set the Center for the Study of
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Speaker 1: Extraterrestrial Intelligence and is also spearheaded largely the disclosure movement.
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Speaker 1: It was October nineteen seventy three and Greer was celebrating
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Speaker 1: his eighteenh birthday. He had gone hiking in the mountains
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Speaker 1: outside his home in Boone, North Carolina when he saw
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Speaker 1: a UFO. It was a short time later he was
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Speaker 1: approached by a quote, an extraterrestrial biological life form. The
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Speaker 1: next thing he knew he was being transported into a craft,
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Speaker 1: and on board he was greeted, he says, by short,
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Speaker 1: four foot tall humanoids with soft, deer like eyes. The
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Speaker 1: craft turned transparent at one point to reveal a beautiful
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Speaker 1: field of stars, and what followed was for him a
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Speaker 1: deeply spiritual experience, during which he and the ets meditated
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Speaker 1: together and experienced a cosmic consciousness. So Greer had no
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Speaker 1: fear during this experience. Instead, he calls it quote an
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Speaker 1: incredible encounter entirely different from stories usually circulated about extraterrestrial contact.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it entirely There's a lot of stories
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Speaker 1: very much like this, but at any rate, this experience ended,
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Speaker 1: he was removed from the craft and placed back near
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Speaker 1: his original location. But it was what happened immediately following
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Speaker 1: his encounter that left him even more amazed, as Stephen
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Speaker 1: Greer writes, and again I quote, I found myself back
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Speaker 1: on the mountain under the beautiful, starry sky, only to
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Speaker 1: experience another strange phenomenon. I was perhaps one hundred yards
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Speaker 1: further down the gravel road. As I started down the mountain,
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Speaker 1: I found that with each step I was in a
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Speaker 1: state of near weightlessness, as if walking on the moon.
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Speaker 1: My steps were actually leaps of twenty to thirty feet
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Speaker 1: at once. Was more like floating than walking. There was
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Speaker 1: a strange magnetic anti gravitational effect around me making me lighter.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a product of my imagination. My physical body
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Speaker 1: was light. I was just as happy as a lark. Here.
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Speaker 1: I was fresh from this experience on an e t
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Speaker 1: V and now bounding down the mountain, traveling in Boeing
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Speaker 1: Boeing Boeing leaps across impossible distances with each step. It
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Speaker 1: was incredibly blissful. As I got closer to town, the
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Speaker 1: phenomenon faded and my weight returned to normal. So again
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Speaker 1: this is clear, this is not an out of body experience.
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Speaker 1: This is happening during full waking consciousness. Greer was totally
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Speaker 1: amazed by this event and following this encounter. In this
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Speaker 1: levitation event, he began meditating regularly and calling out to
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Speaker 1: ET's telepathically. And it was just a few years later
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Speaker 1: that he had another incredible levitation experience. And as Greer
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Speaker 1: writes in his own words, as I was walking in
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Speaker 1: the field behind the manner where we were working, I spontaneously,
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Speaker 1: without effort or forethought, levitated. It was reminiscent of the
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Speaker 1: prolonged experience of bounding down the mountain side after my
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Speaker 1: ET encounter in October of seventy three. This time I
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Speaker 1: just lifted vertically, maybe two or three three feet above
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Speaker 1: the ground. Instead of walking to my destination, I glided
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Speaker 1: there in an upright vertical levitation experience. And then at
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Speaker 1: the moment my intellect kicked in and I exclaimed, my God,
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Speaker 1: look what's happening. How can I be doing this? I
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Speaker 1: settled down to earth. It was halted by my own
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Speaker 1: intellect and ego. So following this, Greer came to the
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Speaker 1: conclusion that all humans likely can levitate. And I really
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Speaker 1: like what he says about this. As Stephen Greer writes,
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Speaker 1: ultimately it is recognizing and embracing the power of God
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Speaker 1: within each of us. After this experience, it became increasingly
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Speaker 1: clear that we have within us any capability, and that
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Speaker 1: anyone can acquire and develop them. There is sometimes a
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Speaker 1: tendency by people involved in various spiritual and religious groups
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Speaker 1: to put people who have this level of experience or
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Speaker 1: knowledge on a pedestal, as if it's unattainably unique. It's not,
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Speaker 1: and that's very important to understand. It is, in fact
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Speaker 1: a disservice to the nature and potential of humanity to
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Speaker 1: idolize something that should be understood as the birthright of everyone.
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Speaker 1: I totally agree anyone can do this. You don't even
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Speaker 1: need to have UFO contact. It just gives you a boost.
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Speaker 1: And I was able to interview a person firsthand who
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Speaker 1: had the same experience. This comes from a gentleman called Maurice,
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Speaker 1: who had an experience when he was only ten years old.
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Speaker 1: He was taken on board with his sister. As Maurice says,
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Speaker 1: and I quote, I have shared many times how in
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, my older sister and I were taken
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Speaker 1: on board a UFO. After we were back, we were
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Speaker 1: in the basement, jumping over a mattress on the floor.
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Speaker 1: We were able to go so high we nearly hit
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Speaker 1: the light bulb on the ceiling. Then I set up
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Speaker 1: an obstacle course in the yard. I found it easy
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Speaker 1: to run and leap over things like sawhorses and such.
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Speaker 1: The ability of levitation shortly after being brought back stuck
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Speaker 1: in my mind for years. So yeah, I believe wholly
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Speaker 1: that we are able to develop abilities like this. And
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Speaker 1: this may sound uncommon, but I don't think it is.
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Speaker 1: Bud Hopkins, the author of Missing Time, Intruders and other books,
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Speaker 1: does have several cases. He interviewed a gentleman he calls Answer,
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Speaker 1: a television anchorman turned entertainer who is also a UFO contactee,
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Speaker 1: and Spencer told Hopkins that there was a short period
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Speaker 1: during his early childhood when he was able to levitate repeatedly.
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Speaker 1: He called it quote the floating stage. And Spencer told
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Speaker 1: Bud Hopkins that his many flights took place exclusively on
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Speaker 1: one particular staircase, usually when he was running, as Spencer says,
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Speaker 1: I'd hit the landing, and I swear to you that
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Speaker 1: I'd float up over that landing. Sometimes I thought I'd
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Speaker 1: hit the ceiling, but then somehow I'd end up at
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Speaker 1: the bottom of the stairs. Without ever having walked down them.
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Speaker 1: At a certain point in my life. It happened a lot.
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Speaker 1: I didn't make anything of it. I just thought I
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Speaker 1: was at, you know, the floating stage. I didn't know
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Speaker 1: I was a kid. I thought everybody floated. The time
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Speaker 1: that Bud Hopkins was interviewing Spencer, he speculated or concluded
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Speaker 1: that it was the result of a UFO experience, but
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Speaker 1: he wondered if perhaps there was a UFO above the
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Speaker 1: house levitating Spencer. However, Spencer did not agree with that.
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Speaker 1: He saw no light beams or anything, nor was he
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Speaker 1: taken on board during these episodes, and Hopkins has another case.
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Speaker 1: He recounts another contactee and his brother, and the brother
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Speaker 1: his name is Peter, reports that he often flew as
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Speaker 1: a young child, not only at his home, but at
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Speaker 1: a friend's home. As Peter says, and I quote, I
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Speaker 1: was doing it in my bedroom. I was doing it
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Speaker 1: at Eric Avelar's house. I'm flying around his room. That's right.
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Speaker 1: I remember that in the bedroom. I can even tell
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Speaker 1: you what it feels like. I honestly do remember floating
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Speaker 1: around in our bedroom and also over at Eric Avelar's house,
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Speaker 1: floating around their house. It was a kick. I know
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Speaker 1: what it feels like to be flying around. I'd be
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Speaker 1: way up there too, I'd be almost to the ceiling.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think I was steering or in control.
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Speaker 1: So quite a few cases I did interview a lady,
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Speaker 1: a family friend by the name of Mary Frank, who
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Speaker 1: had this experience as a young child. At the time,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't aware that she was a UFO contact de.
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Speaker 1: I didn't think to ask, but later she did tell
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Speaker 1: me that, yes, she has had experiences. They're quite personal
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Speaker 1: to her. She doesn't really want to get involved in
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Speaker 1: terms of an interview formally. It's all very personal to hear,
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Speaker 1: and she just doesn't want to share these experiences she's
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Speaker 1: had as a contactee. But she was happy to share
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Speaker 1: her levitation experience. It occurred back in nineteen fifty one
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Speaker 1: when she was eight years old. As Mary says in
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Speaker 1: her own words, my parents were taking me to the doctor.
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Speaker 1: The doctor's office is a fairly large office building, an
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Speaker 1: older building in Chicago. We got off the floor at
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Speaker 1: the doctor's office was a square shaped building, and to
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Speaker 1: get to the office that I had to go to,
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Speaker 1: I had to walk three fourths of a square all
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Speaker 1: the way around to the other side, so kind of
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Speaker 1: a horseshoe. And as Mary says, I ran ahead of
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Speaker 1: my parents, and I had a sensation of light changing
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Speaker 1: in the corridor. It wasn't a bright light, but it
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Speaker 1: was more like a glowing feeling. I felt like the
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Speaker 1: faster I ran, this glowing feeling around me, not in myself,
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Speaker 1: but in the exterior around me intensified and I felt
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Speaker 1: my legs no longer touching the ground. I felt that
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Speaker 1: I could fly. And I looked down and I was flying.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't go very high because I was inside,
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Speaker 1: but I was at least three feet off the ground.
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Speaker 1: And it lasted for however long it took me to
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Speaker 1: go around the corner, probably thirty seconds. I flew around
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Speaker 1: the corner inside the building. Nobody was there. I was
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Speaker 1: ahead of my family. I was going fairly fast. It
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Speaker 1: was more like a floaty well, it wasn't, probably too
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Speaker 1: much faster than a really fast run. I wasn't running.
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Speaker 1: I remember the sensation of flying, and I felt elevated.
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Speaker 1: I was steady as a bird. I do remember thinking,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm flying. In other words, recognition came
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Speaker 1: right away. I remember being very, very astounded by it,
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Speaker 1: totally astounded. It was amazing, but not scary because I
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Speaker 1: felt safe. I was amazed, it was neat. I wasn't
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Speaker 1: thinking anything, but how neat it was. You know, I
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Speaker 1: was a kid, and at that age anything seems possible,
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Speaker 1: sort of wow. I learned to fly, and Mary continues,
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Speaker 1: when I came to my feet, I had this sensation
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Speaker 1: of being placed down as opposed to falling or all
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Speaker 1: of the sudden, not flying. I felt almost placed back
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Speaker 1: down on the ground. That's what I remember. I remember
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Speaker 1: running back to my mom and dad, telling them, you
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Speaker 1: won't believe what just happened to me. I just flew
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Speaker 1: around the corner. And when I tried to tell them
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Speaker 1: about it, they said, of course, yeah, sure. But no
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Speaker 1: one could ever talk me out of the fact that
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Speaker 1: I had flown, because I felt I had. So there's
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Speaker 1: another experience, and there are quite a few others. There's
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Speaker 1: definitely a strange connection here between UFO encounters and human levitation.
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Speaker 1: Not too long ago, I did interview another contactee who
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Speaker 1: does not remember levity herself, but was told by her
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Speaker 1: mother that she saw her child the contactee, as an
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Speaker 1: infant floating a few feet above her crib. It freaked
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Speaker 1: her mother out. She quickly scooped her up and put
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Speaker 1: her back into bed. Here's another case involving a gentleman
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Speaker 1: who I did interview personally. He's a marine officer, a
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Speaker 1: good witness. But in nineteen fifty three, Ramon as I
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Speaker 1: call him, was only six years old. He was living
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Speaker 1: in a government housing project with his family in the
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Speaker 1: Hansome Dam area of southern California. This is in San Fernando,
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Speaker 1: and at that time he had experienced a series of
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Speaker 1: three on board experiences with this UFO that was landing
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Speaker 1: near his home, and it was just a few hours
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Speaker 1: after the first of these experiences that he began to
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Speaker 1: spontaneously levitate. After being let out of the craft, he
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Speaker 1: went back into his home and, as Ramone says, I
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Speaker 1: went to my room and I closed the door. I
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Speaker 1: had this real comfortable, red patched sofa and I sat
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Speaker 1: down upon it. I don't know how this happened, but
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Speaker 1: I began to levitate inside the apartment. I went straight
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Speaker 1: up and I started to touch the light fixtures. I
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Speaker 1: touched the curtains, the curtain rods. I used my hands
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Speaker 1: to walk across the ceiling and then I went right
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Speaker 1: back to the top of the sofa and I went
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Speaker 1: straight down. So he was super excited. He ran out
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Speaker 1: of his room and told his mom, Mom, I just
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Speaker 1: flew His mom was disbelieving and sent him outside to
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Speaker 1: play hide and seek with the neighborhood kids. This was
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Speaker 1: early morning when this happened, and while playing this game,
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Speaker 1: Ramone levitated again. Because he had just joined the game
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Speaker 1: of hide and seek, he was designated as the seeker.
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Speaker 1: And as Ramone says, counting backward from one hundred and
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Speaker 1: I got down to about seventy, and I went into
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Speaker 1: a stupor. It was like I just fell asleep right there.
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Speaker 1: And the next thing I knew, I'm on top of
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Speaker 1: the roof of the housing units, and I'm able to
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Speaker 1: hear the children wherever they are, underneath a car, behind
24:18
Speaker 1: the bushes or wherever. And the next thing I know,
24:21
Speaker 1: I'm standing right in front of them, and I brought
24:24
Speaker 1: them back to the tire that was the place where
24:27
Speaker 1: the everyone hid from. And as Ramon says, then I
24:31
Speaker 1: started walking away and this thing repeated itself. I went
24:34
Speaker 1: back to the top of the roof. I don't know
24:37
Speaker 1: how I got there. I just levitated right back up
24:40
Speaker 1: on top there, and I could hear the children, and
24:43
Speaker 1: I went to the next group and they became frightened.
24:46
Speaker 1: So at this point all the kids were freaking out,
24:48
Speaker 1: and they asked him, how did you do that? How
24:50
Speaker 1: is this happening? He had no explanation to give them.
24:55
Speaker 1: He didn't fully understand it himself. It just happened spontaneously.
25:00
Speaker 1: Not surprisingly, this did break up the game of hide
25:03
Speaker 1: and seek, but it was not the last time Ramone levitated.
25:09
Speaker 1: It was one week later when it happened again. He
25:13
Speaker 1: was in his home and normally he would be outside
25:16
Speaker 1: and go playing, but he felt himself falling into this
25:20
Speaker 1: trance again. And moments later he comes out of his
25:23
Speaker 1: trance and finds himself standing on the roof of the building,
25:28
Speaker 1: and there was a small crowd of people below him, saying,
25:30
Speaker 1: don't move, stand still. I know he's just a little kid,
25:35
Speaker 1: But there was no way to get up onto this ceiling.
25:38
Speaker 1: It was locked. They had to call the fireman. A
25:42
Speaker 1: fire truck arrived, they sent up a ladder and quickly
25:45
Speaker 1: carried him down from the roof. Nobody asked Ramon personally
25:49
Speaker 1: how he got there. Instead, the fire chief approached his
25:52
Speaker 1: parents and asked, how did your son get up there?
25:56
Speaker 1: And they had no explanation and the only acts as
26:00
Speaker 1: to the roof was locked. Was impossible for Ramon to
26:03
Speaker 1: be up there. So that was his last experience that
26:07
Speaker 1: he recalls, but later he would have many more encounters.
26:13
Speaker 1: And yeah, the more I talk about this, the more
26:16
Speaker 1: I hear. In fact, Ray Hernandez, who's quite well known
26:20
Speaker 1: in this field, I was doing a podcast with him
26:24
Speaker 1: and I brought this up and he says, Wow, you know,
26:27
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned this because I did talk to
26:30
Speaker 1: a contact d It's a good friend of his by
26:33
Speaker 1: the name of Alberto Fernandez from Florida, who's had repeated
26:38
Speaker 1: contact his whole life. And Ray Hernandez was speaking with
26:43
Speaker 1: Alberto and Alberto told him that he did have a
26:45
Speaker 1: levitation experience. Alberto doesn't remember. It turns out he was
26:50
Speaker 1: asleep and his wife woke up next to him and
26:53
Speaker 1: found that Alberto was floating above the bed about three
26:57
Speaker 1: feet sleeping. This is a category of levitation I call
27:02
Speaker 1: sleeping levitation. There's quite a few cases, but this is
27:06
Speaker 1: one that's absolutely connected to UFO contact. And I think
27:12
Speaker 1: another case which is really interesting is when I was
27:16
Speaker 1: doing another interview with a podcaster who I won't name,
27:21
Speaker 1: but we started talking about this subject, contactees who have levitated,
27:27
Speaker 1: and he was so amazed. He's like, I'm so glad
27:30
Speaker 1: you brought this up, because I never tell anybody this,
27:33
Speaker 1: no one would ever believe it. But since you wrought
27:35
Speaker 1: it up, I will tell you. And he said, and
27:38
Speaker 1: as I and I quote, when I was a kid,
27:42
Speaker 1: I used to be able to levitate. One time I
27:45
Speaker 1: did it and I got stuck on the ceiling. I
27:47
Speaker 1: remember that it happened. So this is absolutely a thing.
27:53
Speaker 1: And to close this off, I'd like to bring on
27:57
Speaker 1: one of my favorite contactees, really of my favorite people
28:01
Speaker 1: on Earth ever, and that's Dolly Saffron. She's the subject
28:05
Speaker 1: of my book Symmetry, a true UFO Adventure. She's a
28:09
Speaker 1: fully conscious contact d and has had all kinds of
28:13
Speaker 1: really amazing experiences, and certainly this involves levitation, and she
28:20
Speaker 1: is going to share with us some of her experiences
28:23
Speaker 1: with levitation. Hello, Dolly, thanks for joining me today. Yeah,
28:32
Speaker 1: as you know, I'm doing an episode on human levitation
28:37
Speaker 1: and how ets have taught people to levitate or are
28:42
Speaker 1: levitating as a result of contact or the whole connection here,
28:47
Speaker 1: and know that in our book on your experiences, the
28:51
Speaker 1: book Symmetry, A True UFO Adventure, you talked about some
28:55
Speaker 1: levitation experiences. This was something I asked you kind of
28:59
Speaker 1: out of the blue because I was doing research on
29:03
Speaker 1: this and had discovered there is definitely a connection between
29:08
Speaker 1: levitation and UFO experiences and contactees having this ability, and
29:17
Speaker 1: I would really love to talk to you about it
29:20
Speaker 1: a little bit more in depth than we covered in
29:22
Speaker 1: the book, because I I found a lot of cases
29:27
Speaker 1: and it's really amazing. So I know that we covered
29:31
Speaker 1: at least four specific instances and some psychic stuff that
29:35
Speaker 1: I think is connected to this, telekinesis and such. So
29:39
Speaker 1: I thought we would just go through some of these
29:41
Speaker 1: and explore your thoughts on levitation. And when I say levitation,
29:47
Speaker 1: this is not ET's lifting people up on a beam
29:50
Speaker 1: of light. This is something that's internally generated, I believe. So, yeah,
29:56
Speaker 1: you had this experience. I think the first one when
30:00
Speaker 1: you were just a wee little thing two years old.
30:03
Speaker 1: Oh I was ten months Oh really, no, not the
30:07
Speaker 1: one in the crib.
30:09
Speaker 2: Well, okay, two years old, yes, that was on.
30:11
Speaker 1: My own, Yes, yeah, because the one in the crib
30:15
Speaker 1: was they were lifting you up right right?
30:17
Speaker 2: Yeah?
30:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I'm talking about that experience you had
30:21
Speaker 1: at age.
30:22
Speaker 2: Two, or I was looking for a hiding place.
30:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's cover that one. This is interesting to me.
30:31
Speaker 2: My mom would play games with me sometimes and to
30:34
Speaker 2: keep me occupied while she was doing housework, she'd say,
30:36
Speaker 2: let's play hide and seek, and so this became a
30:39
Speaker 2: regular thing, especially when she was pregnant, and I was
30:44
Speaker 2: constantly looking for the best place to go. And I
30:47
Speaker 2: looked up at the closet one day in the hallway
30:49
Speaker 2: and I thought, hmmm, and I knew there was nothing
30:52
Speaker 2: up there, and she had a hard time getting up there,
30:55
Speaker 2: little on anybody else. So I wanted up there, and
30:58
Speaker 2: I kept thinking, how am I going to get up there?
31:00
Speaker 2: And I thought about a chair, thought about her stepstone,
31:02
Speaker 2: none of it help me. And then I thought, okay,
31:05
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I went up there, and I kept
31:07
Speaker 2: staring at it and thinking, oh, just up, up, up,
31:11
Speaker 2: how do I get up? And the next thing I know,
31:13
Speaker 2: after about an entire afternoon of staring at it and
31:16
Speaker 2: thinking this, I suddenly shot straight up and went toward
31:20
Speaker 2: the door pretty quickly and I slammed it back as
31:24
Speaker 2: I approached it, and then I went in and I
31:28
Speaker 2: curled around in it, and I shut the door, and
31:30
Speaker 2: I started laughing because I realized that I'd done it.
31:34
Speaker 2: I laughed hysterically for a long time until she found me,
31:37
Speaker 2: and she couldn't understand why she thought I was laughing
31:40
Speaker 2: at her not finding me. I was laughing because I
31:43
Speaker 2: had just levitated myself up into the top of that closet.
31:46
Speaker 2: It gave me all kinds of ideas, and then became
31:49
Speaker 2: my quest to keep levitating. I would do anything to
31:52
Speaker 2: do that. I mean, oh my god, think about it.
31:55
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was the biggest day. She freaked out.
31:58
Speaker 2: They changed all a lot. She called him my dad.
32:02
Speaker 2: They bought a dog. They were so worried that somebody
32:04
Speaker 2: was in the house messing with my mom.
32:06
Speaker 1: But no, it was me, all right, So there's no
32:09
Speaker 1: way you could have climbed up that.
32:11
Speaker 2: No, No, it was a Florida closet. They have the doors.
32:15
Speaker 2: The height of the doors is probably seven feet, and
32:18
Speaker 2: then above the doors are the two closets, and they
32:20
Speaker 2: have the swing doors, you know, they go back and forth,
32:24
Speaker 2: and that's a good eight feet up and the hallway
32:28
Speaker 2: was about three and a half feet wide. There was
32:31
Speaker 2: no way. I couldn't have done my arms in the
32:33
Speaker 2: hall or anything. It was just two So yeah, no
32:35
Speaker 2: way up.
32:37
Speaker 1: So at that age, were you thinking that this was
32:40
Speaker 1: unusual or unnatural thing?
32:43
Speaker 2: Or it was natural for me? In other words, this
32:48
Speaker 2: I was experiencing something that I felt normal to me.
32:53
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to think about it any
32:56
Speaker 2: other way. I've thought about this over the years. This
32:58
Speaker 2: is just normal for me. I think we all have
33:01
Speaker 2: this ability, I really do. You just have to work
33:04
Speaker 2: at it.
33:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in my book Human Levitation, I found
33:09
Speaker 1: three hundred cases stretching back two thousand years. It's in
33:12
Speaker 1: all cultures, and yeah, it's particularly prominent among people who
33:17
Speaker 1: are spiritual, I guess would be a way of putting
33:19
Speaker 1: it nuns and monks and medicine men and so forth.
33:23
Speaker 1: But absolutely, children comprise a good portion of cases, because
33:27
Speaker 1: I think they're still kind of awake or connected to these.
33:32
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know. I couldn't. Let's put it that way.
33:35
Speaker 2: I think that does a lot to people. If you
33:36
Speaker 2: think you can't, you don't. Yes, I didn't. I couldn't,
33:39
Speaker 2: so I did.
33:40
Speaker 1: And when you did this? Was it like just willpower?
33:44
Speaker 1: I guess would be the way of putting it? Or
33:46
Speaker 1: how did you?
33:47
Speaker 2: How did my mind? Okay? What I've learned since that
33:51
Speaker 2: happened is is that my mind is capable of who
33:57
Speaker 2: I am, the entity me, not the body me or
33:59
Speaker 2: the my physical mind me. But my consciousness is capable
34:04
Speaker 2: of altering my situation. In other words, I think that
34:13
Speaker 2: once I can move my consciousness up and out, almost
34:16
Speaker 2: like an obe, my body follows me wherever I go
34:20
Speaker 2: if I will it. Okay, And there's energy in our bodies.
34:24
Speaker 2: It's I call it prana. That's what I was taught
34:27
Speaker 2: that it was. And that energy goes with me and
34:30
Speaker 2: it literally pulls my body up, It lifts it up.
34:35
Speaker 2: It has that kind of power and it would lift
34:38
Speaker 2: me up. And it's still when I levitate and can levitate,
34:43
Speaker 2: that's what's happening. I'm I'm My consciousness is leaving my body,
34:47
Speaker 2: but my body is following me because I'm willing it to.
34:50
Speaker 2: And it's an altered state to be in, and you
34:53
Speaker 2: can't reach it, you can.
34:55
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly how people have described it. Other people
34:58
Speaker 1: of who I've you know, interviewed or researched, describe it
35:03
Speaker 1: exactly like that. So this you know that closet incident
35:08
Speaker 1: was not a singular event. You went up to the
35:10
Speaker 1: closet again a couple of times, Is that right?
35:13
Speaker 2: Just because in the middle of the night, I'd get
35:15
Speaker 2: up and wander around the house, and I practiced. I
35:18
Speaker 2: would do it over and over and over again. I started.
35:22
Speaker 2: We lived. We weren't out in the glades yet, we
35:25
Speaker 2: were near a lake, and I had the ability to
35:28
Speaker 2: go outside. When I could get outside and find trees.
35:32
Speaker 2: We had lots of trees, and I found out that
35:35
Speaker 2: I didn't have to climb. I could lift myself up
35:36
Speaker 2: into the tree and just hang out there, which became
35:39
Speaker 2: my favorite place to be. Then I started walking at
35:43
Speaker 2: when I got older, I started walking physically out of
35:45
Speaker 2: the house and thinking about it and actually lifting straight
35:49
Speaker 2: up into the air. And I could move around our property.
35:52
Speaker 2: I could go around or you know, about a mile
35:55
Speaker 2: away and come back. I didn't have the guts to
35:58
Speaker 2: go to downtown Miami in the beach, but I was
36:02
Speaker 2: at least within the area that I was that I
36:04
Speaker 2: felt comfortable in. I did that at night a lot.
36:08
Speaker 2: I had a habit of going down the hallway, the
36:10
Speaker 2: big long hallway in our ranch, and going up the
36:14
Speaker 2: walls to the ceiling, and I'd flip over and put
36:18
Speaker 2: my footprints on the ceiling because it drove my mother insane.
36:20
Speaker 2: I'd get my feet dirty and leaf prints. One day,
36:25
Speaker 2: little practical, pretty much, my brother caught me and wanted
36:31
Speaker 2: me to take me. I was outside and he wanted
36:33
Speaker 2: to come up in the tree with me. I was
36:35
Speaker 2: way up in the tree. He's only like a year
36:38
Speaker 2: and a half, two years old, and well he was
36:40
Speaker 2: two because I was five. And I brought him up
36:43
Speaker 2: in the tree with me. I levitated my own brother,
36:46
Speaker 2: which kind of was amazing that I could do that.
36:49
Speaker 2: I took him, I physically held him, and he his
36:52
Speaker 2: weight came with me somehow, and I found out that
36:55
Speaker 2: I could lift objects that way hold them. I got
36:59
Speaker 2: him all the way up this hobby the tree, and
37:01
Speaker 2: my mom, you know, mother's got a sixth sense, okay,
37:04
Speaker 2: And she came out looking for us, and she's like, god, Lee, Dolly,
37:06
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying anything. It's like no, And she
37:10
Speaker 2: looked up and there we were, and she freaked out
37:14
Speaker 2: and I had to put him back on my chest
37:16
Speaker 2: and make him hold on to me and come back down,
37:18
Speaker 2: and I was reversed levitating. I was coming down really
37:21
Speaker 2: slow because I was afraid to kill him in front
37:23
Speaker 2: of her, and she threatened me after that, never ever,
37:26
Speaker 2: ever again take him anywhere like that. Don't do it,
37:29
Speaker 2: you know. I think it dawned on her because it's
37:33
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty foot tree and I was five
37:36
Speaker 2: years old and he was two. There's no way he
37:38
Speaker 2: could have climbed up there. I lied to her and
37:40
Speaker 2: said I helped to teach him to climb. There's no meat,
37:44
Speaker 2: And it dawned on her and she started looking at
37:46
Speaker 2: me funny after that, like so all our activities got
37:50
Speaker 2: put in this garden they had, and we got left
37:53
Speaker 2: in there with high walls around us, and she figured
37:56
Speaker 2: we'd be safer that way.
37:59
Speaker 1: I've done yeah, during the woods and stuff. During this
38:01
Speaker 1: was just something I would, you know, because you knew
38:06
Speaker 1: what you know. You never like showed it off, is
38:08
Speaker 1: what I no.
38:10
Speaker 2: I kept it to myself. People would freak out. My
38:12
Speaker 2: mother's reaction convinced me that there's no way I was
38:15
Speaker 2: going to show this to anybody else. After that, she
38:18
Speaker 2: made me feel different to the point that, you know,
38:22
Speaker 2: wouldn't let anybody see. I would go out in the woods.
38:25
Speaker 2: We had tons of trees in the glades, and I'd
38:27
Speaker 2: get up in a tree and I'd not be happy
38:29
Speaker 2: with that tree. I'd go to another tree and I
38:32
Speaker 2: could levitate over, you know, just eject myself over and
38:36
Speaker 2: get in it.
38:38
Speaker 1: So we were like going, whoa, I mean, this was
38:40
Speaker 1: like futy much.
38:42
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got to like in willow trees. I could
38:45
Speaker 2: sit in the top of a willow tree just fine,
38:47
Speaker 2: and things like that. And I also found out that
38:49
Speaker 2: I could skim water. We lived on lake system, and yeah,
38:56
Speaker 2: I'd go out about twenty feet and come back, you know.
38:59
Speaker 2: And it's not walking on the water, you're skimming. You're
39:02
Speaker 2: just going across, you know. In other words, you've levitated
39:05
Speaker 2: up and you're going across and come back water. This
39:10
Speaker 2: is a weird situation, huh.
39:12
Speaker 1: I also think this is connected to, you know, how
39:14
Speaker 1: fast you can run, because one lady I interviewed who
39:18
Speaker 1: had levitation experiences as a child, was the fastest runner
39:21
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood and outrun all the boys. And she says,
39:23
Speaker 1: I actually was kind of you know, I don't know
39:26
Speaker 1: how to describe this. But I was levitating. This is
39:29
Speaker 1: called running levitation.
39:30
Speaker 2: This is the thing about this. Yeah, I think about
39:33
Speaker 2: this is true because I was a gazelle and I
39:36
Speaker 2: got approached when I was in elementary school by a
39:40
Speaker 2: man and a trench coat and a hat carrying a
39:44
Speaker 2: stick like a cane. And my best friend was with me,
39:48
Speaker 2: and we're walking home together, and.
39:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, we covered this in the book. I remember this.
39:53
Speaker 2: I jumped for six foot fences in a single bound
39:57
Speaker 2: with no trouble and I was only like seven eight
40:00
Speaker 2: years old, and I think I levitated somewhat to do it.
40:03
Speaker 2: I have instances where I emergency protect myself. When I
40:07
Speaker 2: was in my twenties, I was painting the staircase in
40:10
Speaker 2: our house in Atlanta, and I had the cans and
40:14
Speaker 2: I was going back down to get the lids. And
40:16
Speaker 2: I walked right off the top step and screamed because
40:20
Speaker 2: I knew I was dead, And I mean I screamed,
40:24
Speaker 2: and I slowed down my descent and I turned the
40:27
Speaker 2: corner at the bottom of the stairs and landed on
40:29
Speaker 2: my feet, screaming. My dad came running in the or
40:32
Speaker 2: what you know, he thought I was dead because he
40:35
Speaker 2: heard the cans clanking in my hands, and I only
40:39
Speaker 2: dripped the pain a little bit. I mean it shocked
40:41
Speaker 2: me that I could do that without thinking about it.
40:43
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that's called a crisis levitation. Yeah, there
40:47
Speaker 1: are a number of cases of research where people have
40:50
Speaker 1: fallen and floated down. That happened to Robert Monroe across
40:54
Speaker 1: on the stairs. Floated down happened to him twice once
40:58
Speaker 1: he slipped on ice, loaded down like a feather, and
41:01
Speaker 1: the rose of course, the out of body guy. And
41:05
Speaker 1: this is one hundred percent I think connected to a
41:08
Speaker 1: person's ability to do aftral projection. And I know that
41:13
Speaker 1: you've had a lot of experiences with that, yes, so
41:17
Speaker 1: I think that that is.
41:18
Speaker 2: Hand in hand. I really believe that because you're lifting
41:21
Speaker 2: your consciousness out of your body, okay, and that's the process,
41:25
Speaker 2: you're leaving your physical body. But when you levitate your
41:28
Speaker 2: body with you, you have to change it somehow, and
41:31
Speaker 2: I think that's what's happening. You go into an aldered
41:33
Speaker 2: statement comes with you, and I think your consciousness is
41:37
Speaker 2: capable of creating that situation. I really do, because the
41:40
Speaker 2: energy of it surrounds your body. It's the pranum and
41:43
Speaker 2: it just lifts it up with you.
41:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. I have a lot of cases of
41:46
Speaker 1: people on the staircases for whatever reason. I think because
41:51
Speaker 1: it's an opportunity. But you also did a few times.
41:55
Speaker 1: You would jump off the roof and do that. Yeah.
42:00
Speaker 2: My dad was an airborne ranger and he used to
42:02
Speaker 2: jokingly teach us how to land. You know. We did
42:04
Speaker 2: the jump, tuck and roll on the ground. And I
42:08
Speaker 2: was very athletic and I was very gymnastic y. I
42:11
Speaker 2: guess that's not a real word, but I could somersault
42:15
Speaker 2: and do all kinds of stuff, and he wanted me
42:17
Speaker 2: to learn that for some reason. And I took it
42:20
Speaker 2: to the roof. I could get up on the roof
42:22
Speaker 2: via a tree or the antenna on the house, and
42:25
Speaker 2: I would go Our roof was almost flat. It's floorid okay,
42:29
Speaker 2: it had a little bit of a tolp and I
42:30
Speaker 2: would go to the middle of it and run down
42:33
Speaker 2: to the edge and go straight down and I jump,
42:37
Speaker 2: tuck and roll, but I was slowing myself down. I
42:40
Speaker 2: wasn't really hitting hard at all, and it was hysterical
42:43
Speaker 2: and I'd do it over and over and over. It
42:44
Speaker 2: became a joke. My mother didn't like it very much
42:47
Speaker 2: because she could hear me going down the roof. And
42:51
Speaker 2: then I had another habit. I would be in the
42:53
Speaker 2: living room standing there watching TV and I would just
42:55
Speaker 2: let my body drop and I would hover just before
42:58
Speaker 2: the ground and put my hands out and stop. And
43:00
Speaker 2: she caught me doing that twice, and she can't believe
43:03
Speaker 2: I could do it. She's like, I tried to teach
43:04
Speaker 2: my brother. He didn't quite get it, but he tried.
43:07
Speaker 1: And Yeah, so this was a thing that was pretty
43:10
Speaker 1: prominent during childhood, but did it fade as you got older.
43:17
Speaker 2: There's a funny thing in your brain. I'm earth bound
43:20
Speaker 2: and I'm older, and the older I got because I've
43:24
Speaker 2: had so many accidents falling and getting hurt that that
43:29
Speaker 2: plays with your brains. So levitation that kind of thing,
43:35
Speaker 2: I tend not to want to go there anymore. I
43:37
Speaker 2: think if I was in an emergency situation, I could
43:39
Speaker 2: probably do it, no problem. I'm more telekinetic now than
43:42
Speaker 2: I am that way, But when I'm with et it's
43:45
Speaker 2: a whole nother matter. I'm fully fully when you're in
43:50
Speaker 2: an environment where everybody's psychic and everybody's using that energy
43:53
Speaker 2: and everybody's amplifying it. It just comes naturally. And when
43:57
Speaker 2: I'm on board, I can pretty much do whatever. And yes,
44:00
Speaker 2: I levitate a lot. They all do. They don't really
44:04
Speaker 2: pad down on anything. They leve it take.
44:07
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, well, just backtracking a little bit in
44:12
Speaker 1: terms of crisis levitation, you're falling down the stairs. There's
44:15
Speaker 1: a lot of cases where people are in an emergency situation.
44:18
Speaker 1: You know. I mentioned Robert Monroe, but I'm thinking of
44:20
Speaker 1: all the people who've lifted tractors or cars off of
44:23
Speaker 1: their loved ones.
44:26
Speaker 2: Right exactly. It takes quite a bit of mental power
44:29
Speaker 2: to do that. Yes, you can. It's not your body
44:31
Speaker 2: doing it, it's you. It's your consciousness doing it. Yep.
44:34
Speaker 1: And when you're on craft. So people I heard this
44:37
Speaker 1: a lot from people. They're like, I was floating around,
44:40
Speaker 1: so this is them doing it.
44:42
Speaker 2: You think it's.
44:46
Speaker 1: Just because they're in that.
44:46
Speaker 2: Environment being engaged. Yeah. Your pineal gland, when you activate it,
44:52
Speaker 2: it's like when you open your eyes you have sight.
44:56
Speaker 2: When you're psychic, you're pineal gland. You can turn it
44:59
Speaker 2: on and off. It will. In other words, I can
45:00
Speaker 2: ignore it when I want to, or I can have
45:02
Speaker 2: it on when I want to. It's a reflexive action,
45:05
Speaker 2: and so I think I'm more on. I'm constantly on,
45:09
Speaker 2: I'm constantly being psychic when I'm with them, and it
45:13
Speaker 2: just amplifies. In other words, I'm getting them, they're getting me.
45:16
Speaker 2: I'm able to do all of this. It's really weird.
45:19
Speaker 1: Well, the reason to say that is because this is
45:22
Speaker 1: the cases I've collected are usually people levitate right after
45:25
Speaker 1: coming off the craft and I'm still floating around.
45:28
Speaker 2: You're still messing with it. That's right. Your binnail line
45:30
Speaker 2: is still operating wide open. That's right. You know when
45:33
Speaker 2: it's happening because everything around you changes a little bit.
45:36
Speaker 2: I see energy more frequently, more clearly when i'm wide
45:42
Speaker 2: open with them. When I'm here, like, I see energy,
45:45
Speaker 2: but not like when i'm with them. I see your
45:48
Speaker 2: aura here. I can see the energy surrounding you. I
45:51
Speaker 2: can see the energy of all the objects. I don't
45:54
Speaker 2: really see flat surfaces at all. People tell me, oh,
45:56
Speaker 2: that's a beautiful color, and I'm looking at it, and
45:58
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm not sure about what I'm looking at
46:02
Speaker 2: because I don't see that. I see the energy of it,
46:05
Speaker 2: and it supersedes what you're looking at. So yeah, but
46:09
Speaker 2: when I'm with them, it blooms, it goes way off
46:11
Speaker 2: the charts.
46:13
Speaker 1: And you also mentioned, just offhand, because I didn't get
46:15
Speaker 1: a chance to put this in the book, that little
46:18
Speaker 1: the gray babies when they're born are floating above their
46:20
Speaker 1: cribs a little bit.
46:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's natural ability right there.
46:27
Speaker 1: So they're fully activated. I mean, this is something they
46:29
Speaker 1: can do easily. And so when we see the grays
46:32
Speaker 1: floating around or the ets in general, it's because they're
46:35
Speaker 1: doing it psychically, not necessarily.
46:37
Speaker 2: Mama's up to it too. Mamas are able to float
46:40
Speaker 2: their babies as well, and it's a cooperation between mother
46:43
Speaker 2: and child. I really believe that. Okay, when my daughter
46:46
Speaker 2: was a little baby, I used to I woke up,
46:51
Speaker 2: I was breastfeeding. I was an older mother when I
46:52
Speaker 2: had a daughter. Okay, and I woke up. I woke
46:56
Speaker 2: up breastfeeding, and I was sitting on the couch and
46:58
Speaker 2: I jerked, and I thought, oh my god, what if
47:00
Speaker 2: I drop her? You know, So it's sit on the
47:03
Speaker 2: floor with her and put blankets down on everything and
47:06
Speaker 2: pillows and everything. And I realized something that I wasn't
47:09
Speaker 2: hardly even holding her that she was literally levitating in
47:11
Speaker 2: my arms while I breastfedter because I was terrified of
47:14
Speaker 2: leting her hit the ground. And I thought, oh, wow,
47:16
Speaker 2: I can do that, and Mama on board said, yeah,
47:19
Speaker 2: that's a thing ify. Mothers kind of tend to do that,
47:23
Speaker 2: you know.
47:24
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's all kinds of accounts of babies falling
47:29
Speaker 1: up windows and stuff, and they are not hurt, right,
47:33
Speaker 1: So I think that they have that ability or something
47:35
Speaker 1: that something's going on here.
47:39
Speaker 2: A female who has a baby, all your senses are heightened,
47:43
Speaker 2: including your sixth sense. Mothers are intuitive. That's the thing
47:46
Speaker 2: throughout our history that we all know. Mama always knows something.
47:50
Speaker 2: Our sense of smell, we know I can identify our
47:52
Speaker 2: babies by their smell. We know what they hear. We
47:55
Speaker 2: can identify the sound of our baby's voice above all others.
47:59
Speaker 2: We're capable of being connected to them. We know when
48:02
Speaker 2: they're hurt, crying or whatever. We don't have to be
48:04
Speaker 2: in the room. I mean, there's a long list of
48:06
Speaker 2: what happens to you when you have a baby and
48:08
Speaker 2: the connection between you and your child. And I've questioned
48:13
Speaker 2: growing older, you know, in my thirties and forties, to
48:17
Speaker 2: et explain that, and they said that you're naturally using
48:24
Speaker 2: your own innate ability to assist you. And that's how
48:27
Speaker 2: we need to start learning to think about this, that
48:30
Speaker 2: this is not something that we pick up and put
48:32
Speaker 2: down easily. It's natural to us and we should be
48:36
Speaker 2: using it.
48:37
Speaker 1: I totally agree, and that's kind of why I really
48:40
Speaker 1: want wanted to do this episode because this is one
48:43
Speaker 1: of the main ET agendas, I guess would be a
48:47
Speaker 1: way of punning, waking us up to our own and
48:51
Speaker 1: I won't call them supernatural, their natural abilities. And this
48:54
Speaker 1: I think is connected to a lot of different things,
48:58
Speaker 1: like I said, actual projection, but cognition and healing and
49:01
Speaker 1: remote healing. And I also wanted to touch on telekinesis
49:05
Speaker 1: because my sister in law, who you met, you know,
49:08
Speaker 1: when you visited my hometown of Topanga Canyon, did see
49:13
Speaker 1: Gray's face to face. And this is not Kisara. This
49:17
Speaker 1: is my other sister in law and she, you know,
49:20
Speaker 1: had seen you fos seen Gray's face to face, has
49:23
Speaker 1: had passed life recall out about experiences, but had an
49:26
Speaker 1: experience with telekinesis where someone threw a coin at her
49:30
Speaker 1: and she said no, put her hand out in it
49:33
Speaker 1: right and went into the wall and thunked into the
49:36
Speaker 1: wall hard. And that was telekinesis. And I know you've
49:40
Speaker 1: had a couple of really cool experiences with that. I
49:42
Speaker 1: was wondering if you could touch on that, like the
49:44
Speaker 1: one of the hat boxes coming out of the closet
49:47
Speaker 1: and another one at school where you moved a book.
49:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, the hat boxes that. I was really small. It
49:53
Speaker 2: was probably about five years old, and one of my
49:56
Speaker 2: aunts had come over and I have a cousin who
49:59
Speaker 2: is a very loving, sweet human being that her IQ
50:04
Speaker 2: is not okay, and my aunt was yelling at her
50:07
Speaker 2: for some reason, and I was upset with her. You know,
50:10
Speaker 2: you don't pick on my girl, okay, I loved her,
50:13
Speaker 2: and she was really yelling at her, and she came
50:17
Speaker 2: in my room running away from her mom, and her
50:18
Speaker 2: mom followed her. Well, my closet door opened where my
50:22
Speaker 2: mother keeps told her hat boxes, and they just flew
50:24
Speaker 2: out straight at my aunt's said, and screaming ensued. Be
50:28
Speaker 2: Able started vacating and scrambling and running, and I was
50:31
Speaker 2: just sitting there going, yeah, don't do that anymore, and
50:34
Speaker 2: my mother just glared at me like mmm, don't do
50:37
Speaker 2: that again, you know. And my aunt. My aunt didn't
50:40
Speaker 2: come back for a whole month after that. She and
50:45
Speaker 2: it's weird because it spiritually woke her up. She said,
50:47
Speaker 2: if you can do that at that age, I'm going
50:49
Speaker 2: to learn how to do this. And she was very
50:51
Speaker 2: spiritual after that, which made me happy, is I'll get out.
50:55
Speaker 2: She became very very psychic and she learned a lot
50:58
Speaker 2: about life, and I kind of feel responsible for that.
51:02
Speaker 2: I was glad, you know.
51:03
Speaker 1: And another incident which had just tickled me because it
51:07
Speaker 1: was really cool, when you were at the Universe.
51:11
Speaker 2: Libraryan yeah, downtown Miami on Bayfront Park. It's a big library.
51:15
Speaker 1: There, like twelve twelve or so yep.
51:18
Speaker 2: And well, yeah, twelve and I was sitting in the library.
51:22
Speaker 2: My father used to take me down there because he
51:24
Speaker 2: had to do research, and it's that big a library
51:27
Speaker 2: and he just turned me listen and say stay here,
51:31
Speaker 2: I'll be back. You know. I'm like okay. And I
51:34
Speaker 2: would get reference books because you can't take them home,
51:36
Speaker 2: and I'd sit there and read them. They're huge, you know,
51:39
Speaker 2: medical books, engineering books, anything I could lay my hands on.
51:43
Speaker 2: And there was this huge medical book that I really
51:45
Speaker 2: really wanted and it was already out, was laying on
51:47
Speaker 2: the table. Well, these tables are huge and they're backed
51:50
Speaker 2: up to one another, so everybody's sitting around them, and
51:53
Speaker 2: it was just too far for me to go get
51:55
Speaker 2: and I was laying I was trying to grab it,
51:56
Speaker 2: trying to grab it. I was like, oh, I can't
51:58
Speaker 2: believe this. And I put both out. I was like,
52:01
Speaker 2: come to me, and it did. It slid right across
52:04
Speaker 2: the table and I looked around to see who saw
52:06
Speaker 2: it happen, and nobody saw it. And I was like,
52:09
Speaker 2: and I ran ran. I took the book and they
52:12
Speaker 2: have this room there that's got It was like the sixties, okay,
52:15
Speaker 2: And it was this like hippie dipping room with candles
52:18
Speaker 2: and hanging things and big old bean bags on the floor.
52:23
Speaker 2: And I sat on the floor with this book, only
52:25
Speaker 2: I put it about three feet away from me. I'm like,
52:27
Speaker 2: come to me, come to me, come to me. And
52:28
Speaker 2: it started doing it over and over and then that
52:30
Speaker 2: was it. When we left, I went home that night,
52:33
Speaker 2: I was like, come let me have this, let me
52:35
Speaker 2: have that. I just worked on it all the time.
52:37
Speaker 2: It's like, once you learn how to do that, you
52:39
Speaker 2: can't stop. It's a thing, you know. It's like walking.
52:42
Speaker 2: Babies who get up and walk, they're gonna walk.
52:45
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, Well, teleconesis has been proven in a
52:48
Speaker 1: laboratory setting, as by the way, has levitation. I don't
52:51
Speaker 1: think a lot of people know that, but it's been
52:53
Speaker 1: scientist terrified.
52:55
Speaker 2: Right.
52:55
Speaker 1: Oh, of at least three different occasions for you must.
52:59
Speaker 2: Famous one that is the one that you wouldn't think
53:02
Speaker 2: of as telekinesis, but it's dead up telecan They put
53:05
Speaker 2: a woman in Russia in a chamber, locked her in, sealed,
53:09
Speaker 2: it pressurized it and all they had in there with her.
53:12
Speaker 2: She sat in a chair and there was a device
53:16
Speaker 2: that gave a full spectrum ray of light. Okay, she
53:22
Speaker 2: it was a white light. And what she did. The
53:24
Speaker 2: first thing she did was she spread the light. She
53:26
Speaker 2: prismed it. The light just spread into a rainbow. And
53:29
Speaker 2: the next thing she did was she totally bent the
53:31
Speaker 2: light down. And that is television.
53:34
Speaker 1: That's n if I'm correct, it's Nina Cooligina Coola Gina, Yes,
53:39
Speaker 1: because they yeah, she was really good at that. And
53:42
Speaker 1: you had another incident and I'd love to talk about
53:45
Speaker 1: this because you recently gave me the wonderful opportunity to
53:48
Speaker 1: talk to someone who could verify your story again on
53:51
Speaker 1: the several times, which is your ex And she said,
53:55
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he started verifying all the weird et incidents
53:58
Speaker 1: and stuff. But you were like, tell him, tell me
54:03
Speaker 1: about the incident where you guys were having a little
54:07
Speaker 1: bit of a yeah, and.
54:11
Speaker 2: We weren't happy. And I was very angry with him.
54:15
Speaker 2: And I have this big wooden shelf on the wall
54:18
Speaker 2: and had all my little Holly Hobby figurines on it,
54:21
Speaker 2: and he was standing there and he bawled his fists
54:24
Speaker 2: up and that's all I need, That's all I need
54:26
Speaker 2: to see to know that I'm going to react to that.
54:28
Speaker 2: And two of the hobby figurines came straight off and
54:33
Speaker 2: went straight for his head, and he ducked and they
54:36
Speaker 2: smashed into the wall behind him. And then when that
54:38
Speaker 2: went good enough for me, all the rest of them
54:40
Speaker 2: came and two of them pelted him pretty good, and
54:43
Speaker 2: he just walked out the front door and didn't come
54:45
Speaker 2: back for an hour. He exits it over now times.
54:48
Speaker 1: He said that was not the only incident, no, I had.
54:52
Speaker 2: I have a tendency to draw all kinds of energy
54:54
Speaker 2: We had a We lived in Stone Mountain and we're
54:57
Speaker 2: literally right under the mountain. And you know, I grant
55:00
Speaker 2: it's a conductor of electricity. And this was an old
55:03
Speaker 2: house that we were getting ready to rebuild it. And
55:07
Speaker 2: I'm a lightning drawer for some reason, lightning, Oh my god.
55:11
Speaker 2: And there was no storm, nothing, but suddenly, out of nowhere,
55:15
Speaker 2: this bolt of lightning hit the mask head above our
55:18
Speaker 2: you know where the electricity comes in. And every single
55:21
Speaker 2: thing in our house that was electronic and plugged in exploded,
55:25
Speaker 2: including the microwave. And I was in the kitchen. I
55:30
Speaker 2: put up a barrier around myself to protect myself. I've
55:33
Speaker 2: been struck by lightning in my youth and I did
55:34
Speaker 2: not want to go there. And I fell to the
55:36
Speaker 2: floor as I was doing it. Patrick was in the
55:39
Speaker 2: house my axe and saw a blue white light surround
55:43
Speaker 2: me when I did it. He thought I was struck. No,
55:46
Speaker 2: I was in protective mode. I'm not going to go
55:49
Speaker 2: and I went straight down and it freaked him out completely.
55:52
Speaker 2: It completely freaked out.
55:53
Speaker 1: And I think it's connected to why you can't wear watches. Yeah.
55:59
Speaker 2: I just did it again the other day. I was
56:01
Speaker 2: walking in the laundry room of the house and I
56:04
Speaker 2: went to turn on a light and it knocked the
56:05
Speaker 2: whole light panel out. I was like, oh no. I
56:08
Speaker 2: was like pushing breakers and stuff trying to fix it.
56:12
Speaker 2: It's not a happy yet. I have to ground when
56:14
Speaker 2: I go to touch anything, I have to ground. I'll
56:16
Speaker 2: arc on it.
56:17
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, well this is cool. This is exactly
56:20
Speaker 1: what I wanted to talk about. This is so common
56:24
Speaker 1: among contactees, and as you know, I found a dozen
56:27
Speaker 1: cases and I think there's a lot more because people
56:31
Speaker 1: not to mention this. You didn't mention it when I
56:33
Speaker 1: was interviewing you.
56:35
Speaker 2: I was hard to talk to people. That's whe I'm
56:37
Speaker 2: glad you're doing this because people need to talk. I mean,
56:40
Speaker 2: I would love to hear what other people have to say.
56:42
Speaker 2: I'm kind of encouraging it right now. If you've got
56:45
Speaker 2: a storytell it, because we all need to get on
56:47
Speaker 2: the same page with this. We all need to admit
56:50
Speaker 2: that we have these abilities and use them. At CETS
56:53
Speaker 2: found this desire that we do that.
56:55
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, Well that's awesome. Thanks so much
56:58
Speaker 1: for sharing these really cool stories. Well, it's awesome that
57:03
Speaker 1: you know so many people are experiencing this, and I
57:06
Speaker 1: think that shows you know how contact can be very
57:10
Speaker 1: spiritually or psychically probably is a better word transformative, yes,
57:15
Speaker 1: and awakening and bring people to a new level of being,
57:19
Speaker 1: becoming a complete normal human being. This is how I'll
57:23
Speaker 1: put it. So just to close this off, is or
57:26
Speaker 1: anything you want to say that we might have missed
57:29
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, experiences and the mechanics of this,
57:33
Speaker 1: or any last messages you want to give to people,
57:35
Speaker 1: just that in.
57:36
Speaker 2: The mechanics of this, the one thing that will shut
57:39
Speaker 2: you down is negativity. Okay. Anger. Anger can make a
57:44
Speaker 2: telekinetic emotional tie rate in your brain, but mostly when
57:48
Speaker 2: you're trying to use it in a controlled way. It's
57:51
Speaker 2: not anger, it's not high emotion, it's not negativity. It's
57:54
Speaker 2: all positivity. So you have to learn to reach that
57:57
Speaker 2: part of your brain. That one's better at it than
57:59
Speaker 2: the anger apartment, the older guys stuff. So just remember that.
58:05
Speaker 1: Very cool. Well, thanks so much, Dolly, that was awesome.
58:09
Speaker 1: I always enjoy doing these interviews with you and I
58:12
Speaker 1: always learned something, so thanks so much.
58:14
Speaker 2: Welcome by bye.
58:17
Speaker 1: All right, there you go. A dozen cases of contactees
58:22
Speaker 1: who have levitated or learned how to levitate as a
58:25
Speaker 1: result of their UFO encounters. I did cover these cases
58:30
Speaker 1: in my brand new book Not From Here, Volume four,
58:34
Speaker 1: and of course Dolly's story is covered in my book Symmetry,
58:39
Speaker 1: a True UFO Adventure. And if you want to learn
58:42
Speaker 1: more about levitation in general, definitely you might be interested
58:46
Speaker 1: in checking out my book Human Levitation, which covers basically
58:51
Speaker 1: the entire history of this subject on our planet. And
58:57
Speaker 1: as you can see, human levitation is a natural human ability.
59:02
Speaker 1: We all have this ability. Eaties are trying very hard
59:05
Speaker 1: to wake us up to our natural human abilities, and
59:09
Speaker 1: levitation is among the most dramatic of these. But it's
59:13
Speaker 1: all connected, and I think it's really important that people
59:17
Speaker 1: know about this and try to develop themselves psychically and spiritually.
59:23
Speaker 1: That's really why I wanted to do this video because
59:26
Speaker 1: it's so fun and interesting and just imagine being able
59:30
Speaker 1: to fly. Wouldn't that be awesome? So that's it for today.
59:35
Speaker 1: I really want to thank you very much for watching.
59:38
Speaker 1: I truly appreciate it, and until next time, keep searching
59:42
Speaker 1: for answers, keep asking questions, and most important, keep having fun.