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Patriots Unfiltered 10/29: Dolphins Preview, Injury Updates, Week 8 NFL Picks · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota.com.
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  Speaker 4: That makes me immediately go, okay, well, what are the
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  Speaker 4: things we're not good at that aren't salvageable?
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  Speaker 2: Tackling, blocking.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I would like to think that those things would
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  Speaker 4: get better, Michael.
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  Speaker 2: You can talk yourself into it, and I do think
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  Speaker 2: I just did.
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  Speaker 5: It seems like your guy Uche has found a home. Like, he's,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, five starts. He's played the most defensive snaps.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about Josh Uche in the postgame show. Look out.
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  Speaker 1: Something went wrong.
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  Speaker 4: That Packers offense is weird.
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  Speaker 1: Tight pants and, you know, coiffed hair. Some of their
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  Speaker 1: top players are from not the USA.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, but the depth of the league is still all American.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're missing the point. All right, anyway, Evan needs
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  Speaker 1: to get on the internet and look for a house
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  Speaker 1: in Texas because that's the only place football is going
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  Speaker 1: to be played in about 10, 20 years.
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  Speaker 6: You really are passionate about this, huh? You just won't
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  Speaker 6: give it up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just worried.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just worried.
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  Speaker 4: You got nothing to worry about.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, listen.
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  Speaker 7: You're right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be around that long.
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  Speaker 2: That was ageism. This is Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 6: Presented by Toyota.com.
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  Speaker 1: Alright, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here at
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  Speaker 1: Gillette Stadium. The gang's all here. Evan, Paul, me, Deuce, Alex,
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  Speaker 1: and Matt in the booth. Talking Miami Dolphins. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: picks at the end of the show. Gotta hurry. I
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  Speaker 1: got a feeling that Paul had another big week.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you have a feeling for that?
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  Speaker 1: The way you're carrying yourself. You feel a little copture.
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  Speaker 2: I can't help it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You're on a heater. You're on a heater.
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  Speaker 6: I wish we could challenge him, but I'm just like depressed.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I could bet on his picks.
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  Speaker 2: So do I.
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  Speaker 1: Can't do that. But yeah. So anyway, we'll do that
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the show.
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  Speaker 2: Get a little injury update.
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  Speaker 1: A little injury update from Wednesday practice. Participation report.
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  Speaker 2: Everything brings good news.
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  Speaker 1: Good news and some little eyebrow raiser.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 4: What's the eyebrow razor?
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  Speaker 1: I think AJ now has also a knee, and last
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  Speaker 1: week he was full, and now he's limited.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 9: No?
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  Speaker 1: No. Why not?
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  Speaker 4: Because his knee has been a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but he was full.
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  Speaker 2: But it wasn't a thing last week.
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  Speaker 1: He was full participation last week, and now he's limited.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think a lot of these Wednesday
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  Speaker 4: injury reports with the Patriots over the years with Rabel are.
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  Speaker 4: When veteran guys have bumps and bruises of the season,
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  Speaker 4: their injuries tend to pop up. They tend to be limited.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes they give them veteran rest.
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  Speaker 1: Everything's good.
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  Speaker 4: They gave them all veteran rest on Monday, so they
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  Speaker 4: didn't have to give them veteran rest today or yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: When Moses is having his veteran rest, they just say
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  Speaker 1: he's out.
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  Speaker 2: But as typically is the case, Mike, Evan, Alex, Paul
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  Speaker 2: were a little bit more positive about things related to
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  Speaker 2: the Pacers than Fred. And I took Evan's report from
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  Speaker 2: practice yesterday. Everybody that's actually on the 53-man roster was positive.
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  Speaker 2: present and accounted for. I think the arrow's pointing up,
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  Speaker 2: I think, with injury news.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with that. They had perfect attendance
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  Speaker 4: at practice. Not everybody practiced in full, but they had
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  Speaker 4: perfect attendance. I mean, they still have the guys on
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  Speaker 4: injured reserve, obviously, but the guys that are on the
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  Speaker 4: active roster are all practicing. It sounds like Carlton Davis
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  Speaker 4: is going to be back on Sunday in Miami. Seemed
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  Speaker 4: like he maybe could have came back last week, but
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  Speaker 4: with the short week, they held off, and I gave
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  Speaker 4: him a little bit of extra time. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we'll see about the interior offensive line because Ben Brown,
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  Speaker 4: it seems healthy and seems like he's ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't know if, you know, maybe they liked
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  Speaker 4: what they saw at a Rousen prior and they're going
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  Speaker 4: to roll with that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: So hopefully we'll get some clarity.
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  Speaker 1: Ben Brown's also your backup center. So it's good to
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  Speaker 1: have him available for that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's good to have him healthy no matter what.
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  Speaker 4: Last week, Vrabel told us he was going to start
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  Speaker 4: at guard, so maybe tomorrow he'll tell us again who's
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  Speaker 4: going to start at guard, but I would have thought
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  Speaker 4: that Ben Brown would go right back in to the
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  Speaker 4: starting lineup once he was healthy, but based off of
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  Speaker 4: what we saw yesterday at practice, it looked like Rouse
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  Speaker 4: and Pryor were still first up at those positions, so
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  Speaker 4: we'll see how that goes, but But overall, yeah, you know, trending,
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  Speaker 4: trending positively.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just thought it was interesting that.
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  Speaker 6: It is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: It is because actually when they signed him, everybody said
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  Speaker 5: he has a degenerative knee problem.
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  Speaker 6: So now knee pops up and that, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Well, but that's sort of why, like, it's not a
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  Speaker 4: new thing. Like, they're managing a knee. But why is
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  Speaker 4: it now?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, but now that's bothering him off for the short
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  Speaker 11: week instead of the ankle.
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  Speaker 2: So that's, he's going to be on it the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the season. But after he played against the Jets,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't a thing. No. after he played against the Bears.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not going to get too worked up about it.
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  Speaker 6: He's got to play better.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not worked up. He's got to play better. I
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  Speaker 2: just thought it was an eyebrow raiser. The show's only
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  Speaker 2: been on for five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not worked up. Big C concern or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought it was notable.
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  Speaker 6: It's like an italics.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I look at things and I note them.
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  Speaker 4: That's okay. The way I went to practice yesterday and
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  Speaker 4: what came out of it, I thought we were going positive.
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  Speaker 4: So I was just a little surprised that we went
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  Speaker 4: the other way.
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  Speaker 2: I am right there with you, as is often the case.
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  Speaker 4: They've been decimated by injuries all year and everybody was there.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're getting a little defensive.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's either positive nor negative to just
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  Speaker 1: bring it up. You're just noting a fact.
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  Speaker 6: No, you are right. You're 100% right.
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  Speaker 4: You're a little triggered.
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  Speaker 2: I would be lying, but I'm not triggered.
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  Speaker 1: I think this whole Celtics thing has you on edge.
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  Speaker 4: I think you have me on edge, if we're going
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  Speaker 4: to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: He's turning it to Eric.
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  Speaker 6: I just thought that was the thought that just went
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  Speaker 6: into my head.
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  Speaker 2: That's the exact thought that just went into my head.
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  Speaker 1: You want me to be Eric?
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  Speaker 2: I'll be Eric.
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  Speaker 6: What is that bag you're wearing?
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  Speaker 2: You! What did he say? Obitual liar.
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  Speaker 6: I wouldn't call you that. So that's what it is.
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  Speaker 6: That's the Fred.
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  Speaker 1: I like it.
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  Speaker 5: That's the time that it takes Fred to truly get
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  Speaker 5: under somebody's skin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple years. No, no.
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  Speaker 1: Sooner than that.
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  Speaker 3: Foreign change.
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  Speaker 2: Sooner than that.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Okay, so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Anything change from the game? You know, you're... Outlook for
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  Speaker 1: the game.
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  Speaker 2: Big trade in the NFL, Freddie. Big trade. Jeffrey Simmons
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  Speaker 2: for two first round picks.
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  Speaker 6: Goes to Chicago.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of funny that Seattle goes and gets Quentin
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  Speaker 5: Nelson and then Chicago's like, oh shoot, we better go
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  Speaker 5: get Jeffrey Simmons for that Friday night matchup.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to be a good game to watch, I think.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think much of the Bears defense in general,
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  Speaker 2: but They were really bad.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't either.
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  Speaker 2: They were really bad against the run. So that's a
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  Speaker 2: big move for them. And he's more than just a
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  Speaker 2: run stuffer. He's a really, really good defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 4: He might be the best in football.
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  Speaker 2: Some people have called him. He's been so effective this year.
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  Speaker 2: I think our boy Solak, who I kind of really
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed reading those seven things he thinks.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago. I do.
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 2: He's where you should be.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway.
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  Speaker 7: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: That got personal real fast.
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  Speaker 2: That was too easy.
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  Speaker 3: I love the start.
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  Speaker 2: He actually says that he is playing so well he
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  Speaker 2: could be like an MVP, a defensive MVP. Clearly acknowledges
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  Speaker 2: he won't win it because defensive tackles don't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like you have to be like Aaron Donald.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because you won't have those kinds of stats.
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  Speaker 5: Paul, are you surprised with the Colts and the Titans
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  Speaker 5: kind of offloading all their guys that they're not both
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  Speaker 5: on the Patriots schedule coming up?
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  Speaker 2: Um, fair point. Fair point. It's another one of the
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  Speaker 2: biggest differences between this year and last year. Everybody talks
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  Speaker 2: about all of the stuff that we spent five minutes
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  Speaker 2: talking about injuries. Whoa, look at the difference. Last year
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  Speaker 2: you were healthy. That's another, another difference. You know, Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Williams was hurt before they played the Patriots last year.
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  Speaker 2: He would have been hurt as they were playing the Patriots.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 4: Big difference. I, uh, I, I still acts on the
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  Speaker 4: list of people that make me jealous sometimes. Like he'll,
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  Speaker 4: he'll publish things or like, you know, write things or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, like, I should have thought of that. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he's really good. Uh, shout out Yofi Chen though. Uh, under,
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  Speaker 4: underrated ball on the beat yesterday asked a question to
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  Speaker 4: Drake may about carrying the ball on his left hand
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  Speaker 4: instead of his right hand. And like, I think it
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  Speaker 4: kind of blew Drake's mind that somebody like realized that
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  Speaker 4: he does that. So Drake made, I guess more comfortable
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  Speaker 4: when he's running, uh, to carry the ball on his
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  Speaker 4: left hand, so he changes it from his right to
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  Speaker 4: his left when he starts to scramble.
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  Speaker 6: And Yofi saw it.
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  Speaker 1: Because I want to use my strong hand because I'm
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  Speaker 1: a lefty.
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  Speaker 6: Or, you know, a stiff arm.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he just said that that's just naturally more comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a very valid reason why you would
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  Speaker 2: do that. I hope that's not why our quarterback is
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  Speaker 2: doing it.
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  Speaker 5: No, he talked about his dad. I didn't see a
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  Speaker 5: direct correlation. He talked about his dad yelling at them.
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  Speaker 5: It was a little bit of a window into the maze.
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  Speaker 1: But weren't you always taught, Paul, you change the ball
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  Speaker 1: to the sideline?
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  Speaker 2: Correct. Outside, away from the contact.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I didn't even notice that, that he does that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little disappointed in myself for not noticing that
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  Speaker 2: because that's the kind of nonsense that I notice.
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  Speaker 6: Can't go left.
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  Speaker 2: He always goes left. Yeah, he goes left. Can't go left.
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  Speaker 2: Can't go left. He always goes left.
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  Speaker 4: I was jealous.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't notice that. I didn't love, just as a
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  Speaker 2: complete aside, I didn't love him falling backwards and reaching
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  Speaker 2: the ball over the back of his head.
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  Speaker 3: I was wondering what you would think about that.
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  Speaker 2: To get a dimple of the ball, on second down,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, to get a dimple of the ball
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  Speaker 2: to the goal, I didn't need that risk.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that picture is so tough.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't need that risk.
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  Speaker 1: And he and me.
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  Speaker 2: It. It's worth it for the gram.
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  Speaker 6: It's worth it for the guy to make a play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said he was going to get heat from
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  Speaker 1: the coach for that.
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  Speaker 4: Great challenge by Stretch and Vrabel.
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  Speaker 6: By the millimeter, my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: If it was like third down or fourth down, obviously
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  Speaker 2: it's different, but.
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  Speaker 1: When I saw it live, I didn't think he was in.
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  Speaker 1: But then you saw it, and it's like, oh, that's
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  Speaker 1: closer than I thought.
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  Speaker 2: You saw it like a million times. I'm really surprised
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  Speaker 2: they overturned that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You thought his calf was down?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know. It's exactly what Mike said. I watched it,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know. Maybe a dimple with a ball
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  Speaker 2: was at a blade of grass. I didn't think it
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  Speaker 2: was close. I didn't think it was conclusive enough to overturn.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't know the goal line shot?
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  Speaker 1: It's close. Oh, it definitely was a good call. It
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  Speaker 1: broke the plane.
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  Speaker 12: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And he wasn't down.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't. Yeah, Mike and I watched it. We
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  Speaker 2: kept saying, I don't know. I don't think they're going
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  Speaker 2: to overturn this. I don't think you can see.
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  Speaker 6: It was just so close.
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  Speaker 5: I think it could have gone either way.
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  Speaker 6: You know, one of those, like, is it conclusive.
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  Speaker 2: Evidence kind of things? And it's like, when are you
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  Speaker 2: declaring him down? I think it was very, like, subjective
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  Speaker 2: as to, oh, he's down there. No, no, no, he's
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  Speaker 2: not down there. He's down, you know. And that's, now
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  Speaker 2: you've got to freeze frame it where the ball is. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I just... My only point was, like, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: we need to be reaching the ball out blindly behind us.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to get back to this big trade
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  Speaker 1: because I was.
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  Speaker 13: Huh?
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  Speaker 4: You're right about that.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, that's all. But it worked and it
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  Speaker 2: was cool.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: It worked, but I just, like, you weighed the. I
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  Speaker 2: think in general. You weighed the pluses and minuses there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if it was fourth down, you got to
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  Speaker 2: have it. That's totally different.
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  Speaker 1: But this is, yeah, they had another shot after that.
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  Speaker 2: Two others.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to get back to this trade because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, does that make you more anxious? Like, Patriots
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  Speaker 1: should do something, too, you know?
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  Speaker 6: Not really, man.
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  Speaker 5: That's a really hefty price to pay. I mean, you
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  Speaker 5: don't even have those two picks to give.
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  Speaker 1: That's at the highest level. You're giving two first-round picks
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  Speaker 1: for one of the best defensive players. That's an extreme.
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  Speaker 1: But I said something, you know?
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  Speaker 6: Not really.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I expect them to do something.
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  Speaker 1: You do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it's going to be splashy.
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  Speaker 1: It won't be to that level.
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  Speaker 4: But I would hope that they're working on something. But
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  Speaker 4: we'll see. I mean, we had an emailer that emailed
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  Speaker 4: into Catch-22 and said, given the injuries and the situation
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  Speaker 4: and all that, this might just not be their year.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, well, you have Drake May. You
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  Speaker 4: get into the playoffs, and you have Drake May and
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  Speaker 4: Mike Rabel coaching the team.
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  Speaker 11: But that move Chicago made feels like a win-now move
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  Speaker 11: for them. Do you feel like the Patriots are in
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  Speaker 11: a position to make a move like that or just
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  Speaker 11: fill in depth out of necessity?
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  Speaker 4: I think they've kind of already made some of those moves,
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  Speaker 4: like trading for A.J. Brown, I would say, was a
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  Speaker 4: win-now move. So like they kind of pushed a lot
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  Speaker 4: of their chips in the middle already. And so I
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  Speaker 4: think that's the problem with getting into these waters of
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  Speaker 4: these level of trades for them right now is that
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  Speaker 4: they'd already don't have a first round pick in 2028.
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  Speaker 4: You know, like they, they have a first round pick
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  Speaker 4: next year, but now do you want to trade that pick?
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  Speaker 4: And now you don't have first round picks and back-to-back drafts. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure that's really what you want to do.
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  Speaker 4: So like they made some of those splashes in the
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  Speaker 4: off season and, you know, now teams are doing it
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  Speaker 4: now at the deadline and, I just think that you
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  Speaker 4: can make trades over the next 10 days that move
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  Speaker 4: the needle maybe not as much as Jeffrey Simmons would,
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  Speaker 4: but help augment the roster and help build up depth
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  Speaker 4: and help strengthen a weakness and that sort of thing
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  Speaker 4: that isn't giving up two first-round picks for Jeffrey Simmons.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: Somebody said, you know, two of the teams that are
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: doing the selling, Titans and the Colts, are two of
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: the teams that probably don't want to do business with
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. The Titans, because of Rabel, And maybe the
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: Colts because of McDaniels.
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: That was a long time ago, Josh.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't think the Colts would be
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: on the list. The Titans, I totally could see that.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
• 14:01
  Speaker 6: Probably a question of, as Carly Ursae Gordon, was she
• 14:05
  Speaker 6: irked as a young, you know, when that happened way
• 14:07
  Speaker 6: back when?
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sure she was.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: They fired two GMs since then.
• 14:10
  Speaker 6: I don't know. That was like a decade ago.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: No, I know, but they really felt that they got screwed.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Oh, they, well, they did.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: But that was a long time ago.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: I know, but people hold grudges. We still hate the Jets.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: We still, you know, those things don't go away.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Do you think the Patriots wouldn't make a trade with
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: the Jets? I don't know.
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: They did make a trade with the Jets.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: We would.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: No, but that's what I'm saying. Do you think the
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: Patriots would make a trade with the Jets? Yeah, I
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: think we would because we're better than that, but they're not.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: But my point is you do what's best for you
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: and your team. And if the Colts didn't, I don't
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: see the Colts being so angry, like, Amy Adams? Yeah,
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I could see her being that angry. I don't see
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: the Colts people.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: Just because 10 years ago a coach decided to leave
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: them at the altar. Like, what are you going to do?
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: People are funny.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: They are. I won't rule it out completely because I
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: A lot of weird grudges out there.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's up with that Evans girl there
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: in Indy. Maybe she would leave it.
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: I'll call her later on.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: She's got the headset on.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: What else do we need to cover here?
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: I was just going to say a couple little injury
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: notes from the Colts with their starting corner.
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: You mean the Dolphins? Dolphins.
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: Juju Brents was out yesterday with a neck and a
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: concussion and starting left guard, Caden Proctor, the rookie, was
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: out with a concussion as well.
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: I know those things can turn around, but just maybe
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: a couple injuries to take note of.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: As well as Greg Dulcich and Malik Washington, two guys
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: that are pretty important to them. They were only limited.
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: I don't think this will be a huge deal, but
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: Just something to be aware of.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they could be without two starters, though. You know, concussions.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Especially in the secondary. I can imagine their depth. Already
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: a bad group.
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: And, no, that's about it for the injury stuff. But,
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, Ben Brown's still limited. I just thought a
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: lot of guys were in full participation. And, you know,
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: no more Barmore, too. I thought that was a good sign.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure if he came off last week. It
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: just kind of popped into my head.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: It would have been good if he was, like, on here, like,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: you know, fell on ball right limited trying.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: To you know you're just oxygen you just never know
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: like sometimes after losses some of the guys can be
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: pretty standoffish but he he really wanted to vent about
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: that situation he thought that he had the ball like
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: he thought that he had strip sack caleb williams at
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: the end of the game And I think he was
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: pretty close to doing it. And Caleb just kind of
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: lost it for a second and then was able to
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: bring it back in. And, I mean, obviously that would
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: have been a game-changing play if he had strip-sacked him there.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: So he was pretty upset about it. Is getting the
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: wind knocked out of.
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: You a rite of passage as a kid?
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I did a go-karting once. I rear-ended my sister on
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: a go-kart.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: I had never had anything happen to me like that.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: It was like a poor memory.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I was young.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: It was like this panic that goes through you.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: You can't breathe in.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually dove and caught a football and landed
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: right on my stomach with the ball. And everyone's like,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: what's wrong with you?
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: I can't talk I took a soccer ball once just
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: somebody teed it up boom and then my brief stint
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: at Fred Villari's studio self defense where I.
• 17:19
  Speaker 12: Attained the level of Fred Villari oh my god that's
• 17:23
  Speaker 12: a that's a blast from the past I attained the
• 17:26
  Speaker 12: level of purple belt which I think was the third
• 17:28
  Speaker 12: belt you know the eight point blocking system but then
• 17:30
  Speaker 12: they tell.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: You like you know that's the solar plexus and that's
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: you know try to hit the guy right there and
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: they'll lose then I was like oh alright this starts
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: to make sense like I I didn't know what it
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: actually was.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: You just get the wind knocked out of you.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: It's good for self-defense.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Did you fight Cobra Kai?
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: I didn't get to that level.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: I was more on, like, try to walk in the
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: shape of an eye, like, while doing, you know, different things.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Well, I saw Karate Kid, and I was, you know, like, Dad,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I want to take karate. I did karate, too, as
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: a kid. I got up to green belt, and then, like.
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: What other belt levels?
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Got into.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Well, little known fact in Canada, Arthur Dussault was the
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: first jiu-jitsu Canadian.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: I come from a long line of karate experts.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I'm a karate man.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: Who's on the inside?
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: I remember breaking a piece of wood. Like, you know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: that was like part of like.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: That's like what you do in class one.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they did like a... They would do like.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know what to call it. It was like
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: a showcase type of thing where the parents could come
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: and watch, and you would spar with somebody, and you'd
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: also break the wood.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: It was just not as cool as I had in
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: my head of, like, I think I'm going to fight
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Cobra Kai. No, you just kind of walk in a
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: circle and move your feet like this.
• 18:37
  Speaker 11: No offense to karate, but I feel like jiu-jitsu is
• 18:41
  Speaker 11: a little cooler.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, for sure. So my story from the past,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: it shows how stereotypical jiu-jitsu people used to be, and
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: it was accepted, and now, you know, you get canceled
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: for it. I was with my parents on a beach
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: in Newport.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: So say it.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: See if we can get canceled. I'm going to out myself.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: We were on a beach in Newport, and I was
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: probably like, I don't know, four or five, and the
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: beach was kind of crowded, Newport Beach, and there were
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: two Asian, young Asian guys, probably, you know, at the time,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it's hard to judge, probably like early 20s or late teens,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and I said to my parents, I said, do you
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: think that they know karate? And my parents, go ask them.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: So I did.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: And they kicked your ass?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: No.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: They were actually really nice, and they did know. And
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: they showed me some moves. But nowadays, like, how stereotypical
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: would that be?
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: How old were you?
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I said, like, four or five. But the parents were OK.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: They would say, like, no.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: They encouraged me to go ask.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: Do you guys know karate?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: You know, just because you're Asian. I don't think.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: Fred Villari was Asian. He had a whole studio self-defense.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Anyway, that's my.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Is he like the guy in Napoleon Dynamite?
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Go to your sensei!
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Are you in the mob?
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: You can walk up to an Italian guy and ask
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: him if he's in the mafia. Nothing will happen to you.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I think you can. I think you can say anything
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to an Italian.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I think it's a little different than karate. Once in
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: blank time.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: That seems a little sketchy for our day.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: You're four years old.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: It's harmless.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: No, the point is my parents said, yeah, go ahead.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Most parents were like, don't do that.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I could see my parents saying, shh, shh.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: Good question, little Freddy. Go ask him.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And here I go in my little bathing suit. Anyway,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I got a million of them.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: You certainly do.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm not afraid to talk about them.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: Oh, the Dolphins, huh?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: This is where the Dolphins are at.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: We're already off the rails 20 minutes into the show.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I've tried a couple of times this week to get
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: into this game in terms of that, and I can't.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I can't. I just don't see them having any ability offensively.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I guess the one path would be if Ollie Gordon
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: just goes off and they shorten the game and they
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: keep Drake May on the sideline. I guess that... is
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: one very, like, narrow path to competitiveness in this game.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I just don't see it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's just say that early on they're having
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: success running the ball and, you know, Zach Kor and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Vrabel want to make adjustments and they start stacking the box.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Is Malik Willis able to take advantage of that?
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: I don't think so.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think their offense has been better than
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: their defense, especially recently. Like, the last couple of weeks,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: their offense really struggled in the first month of the season. Uh,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: but the last couple of weeks, they've been a little
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: bit more frisky, uh, offensively last week against the jets.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: He didn't drop back very much. And that that's whenever
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: you have faced quarterbacks like that, that's always like sort
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: of the, the way to help them is, you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: 28 dropbacks for the game. They scored 28 points on
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: 28 dropbacks. Like, can you run the football? Can you
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: play action off the run game? Can you use his mobility,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: which they did a couple of times with some design
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: quarterback runs to pick up some third downs. If they
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: can turn it into him just being an athlete, then
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: he's a good athlete. He's a great athlete. But if
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: you make him sit there and consistently read out progressions
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: and read disguise and that sort of thing, that has
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: been a little bit of an issue for him. So
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: that's always the book on any of these types of
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks like Malik Willis. I've kind of liked watching their offense.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Their offense the last couple weeks has been spunky. They
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: run the ball well. They design it well. Malik Willis
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: is talented. He's maybe not their answer long-term, but he's
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: physically talented. But they just don't have a lot. They
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: don't have a lot of skill position players. They don't
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: have a lot of receivers. The two rookies, I thought
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Caleb Douglas was kind of overdrafted when they drafted him
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: to begin with, and Chris Bell's coming off that major injury,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: so he doesn't look quite like himself just yet. Dulcich
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: is okay as their tight end, but they don't really
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: have enough firepower offensively to get into like a drop
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: back passing game. Willis has a really, really good arm,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: great arm and multiple angles too. He can really drop
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: the arm angles off platform.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: But you're saying that Miami doesn't have the skill to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: take advantage of that.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: I think it's a combination. Like I don't think that
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: he's great at playing conventionally from the pocket. And then
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I also don't think that they're doing him any favors
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: with what's around him from a skill position standpoint. I
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: think their offensive line is fine, but their receivers are
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: really limited. This is probably the worst receiver group in
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: the league.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: I love your thing, Ev, about can you, instead of
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: having to rely on aggressive scheme, can you beat them
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: straight up with your talent?
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: That's a great question to me, and I'm at the
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: place now with the defense where it's mostly coming from
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: scheme right now, and when it's all schemed up, Guys
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: are getting sacks, team sacks.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: I'd say.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: You know, oh, Barmore flushed him out into Williams, or,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: you know, Atkins cleaned it up, that kind of stuff. But,
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: you know, if they were able to just four-man rush,
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: drop guys in coverage, stop the run, not have to
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: worry about stacking the box, I think that would be
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: a good sign. Like, you know, talk about what can
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: you actually take out of this game and believe in
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: his truth.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: Like, maybe that would be the start of something. I mean,
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to say, oh, they've arrived. You know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: look out, Green Bay. But it would be a good
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: first step to prove you could do it against a
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: bad team.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: It's just hard to do against good quarterbacks. It's hard
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: to disguise in pressure and like win that way against
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: the really good quarterbacks. And we just saw it with
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Caleb Williams. Like if you play that way and you're
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: aggressive like that, then the really good ones will pick
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: you apart.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: And, and that that's when we get into the meat
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: of the schedule and the, the playoffs and all that
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: kind of stuff, you know, that that's where you start
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: to worry about some of that stuff, you know, when
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: they get into a playoff game and they're, they're facing
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: a really good quarterback, if they can only get pressure
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: by blitzing, like that's going to be tough. That's going
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: to be tough. Now, if they can sort of shore
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: up some of these zone coverages and maybe get a
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: little bit more juice out of their four man pass rush,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: then okay. Now, now I feel a little bit better
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Eight, five, five patch 500 is the hotline podcast at
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Patriots.com is the email address. Let's get into it. Cause
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you know, we do have to hurry. Um, Randy's in Providence.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: What's up, Randy? Did I hit the button right? Randy. Randy,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you there?
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: Randy.
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: No?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I see Matt scrambling. No?
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: No? Okay, nothing to do with us. All right, Randy,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: try again some other day. Let's go to Sean in Vancouver.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: What's up, Sean?
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Hello.
• 25:46
  Speaker 14: Good to speak with you guys. And I'm looking forward
• 25:48
  Speaker 14: to this game in Miami. You know, I predict the
• 25:51
  Speaker 14: Patriots will be much better at tackling than they were
• 25:53
  Speaker 14: in Chicago. I'm sure that's a huge emphasis in practice
• 25:56
  Speaker 14: this week. I also predict that A.J. Brown will have
• 25:58
  Speaker 14: more than four receptions. This won't be a trap game.
• 26:01
  Speaker 14: As pointed out yesterday, Miami is not a terrible team.
• 26:04
  Speaker 14: Most fans, like me, they were prior to last week.
• 26:08
  Speaker 14: The Patriots will not take them lightly. New England needs
• 26:10
  Speaker 14: a big win. They need this momentum and confidence for
• 26:14
  Speaker 14: two difficult games before the bye against tough NFC North team.
• 26:18
  Speaker 14: So go Fats.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: It was very clear yesterday listening to Vrabel and then
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: listening to Drake May and just talking to some of
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: the guys in the locker room. The messaging from Mike
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Vrabel this week to talk up the Dolphins like they're
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: the 85 Bears is very crystal clear to the point
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: where Drake May even made Paul's point about the opponents
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: that Miami has faced and how it's been a tough
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: schedule for them. They've played a lot of really good teams.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: They are a bad football team. This is a terrible team.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: The Patriots are doing the Belichick thing as best as
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: they possibly can to make this team sound like they're
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: a really good football team. Drake may have wanted nothing
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: to do with, you know, this is the worst pass
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: defense in football.
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: He was like.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: not to me, they're not. And I was like, all right,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: like whatever. Like, yeah, like wanted nothing to do with it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: So they're trying to talk it up and they're trying
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: to act like this is going to be a challenge.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: And I just say, you haven't arrived. Like you've got
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: a long way to go. You have, I mean, you're
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: not forcing turnovers. You had your own giveaway in every
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: single game. Like, it's not like you're the, you know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: this juggernaut that, oh yeah, we just got to take
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: care of business and we'll be fine.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: Like, I think this team, you know, still has a
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: lot to prove.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: So I, I mean, I expect that they would be
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: like that, but I still think it's reality of, yeah,
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: you're not this high and mighty team yet.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: You haven't proven that to me or to anybody. So
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: go out there and start to show it.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, it does make sense. This is what coaches
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: need to do. But you could make a strong argument
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: just on paper, you know, man for man, this is
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the worst roster in football.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I think that is the argument.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can make a really good– so, like,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to tell you, like, oh, no, no, no,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: they're not as bad as you think. No, they are.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: They are. And it's by design. I'm not even being
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: critical of Miami. I see what the plan is. I
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: know what they're doing. They've stripped the roster of a
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: lot of veteran guys that weren't going to be around
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the next time they're going to be any good. And
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: it's basically the one guy that stayed tore his ACL
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: in A-chan, right? So this is a very common spot
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, unfortunately, you know, I'd say every two
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: or three years there's a team that has to do
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: this because whatever the plan that they were on didn't work.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And this year it's three teams.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Not every team completely dismantled their roster in the offseason
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: like this. Teams get off to bad starts and then
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: decide to get rid of guys that aren't expiring contracts.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: That happens every year in every sport. That's what the
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: trade deadline's all about. But this was like, In the offseason,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: you could see, like, wow, Jeff Halfley's going to really
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: have a hard time because of what they're doing. You
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: just hope that, like we were talking about after that
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Jets game, he keeps the players invested. That's what you're
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: looking for. And that's kind of like back to the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: AFC East here, and we talked about the Jets. That
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: was some of the stuff I didn't see from the
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Jets last year. Like, they stripped the roster. We saw
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: that game, like, in December, or it might even have
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: been January. It was that late in the year. Yeah.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: They had all those guys that weren't really NFL players.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: They weren't playing hard at all, even though they weren't
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: really established players. These guys from Miami, to their credit,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: seem like they're still invested.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Well, because a lot of those young guys, they're hoping
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: are core pieces moving forward.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: They haven't been broken yet.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't have thought that those guys that played for
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the Jets were in that situation last year either. Yeah,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: but they're 2021.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: 2026 draft class they're hoping is going to be a
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: start of their rebuild. So like Caden Proctor and Chris
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Johnson and Jacob Rodriguez and Chris Bell and Caleb Douglas,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: those are they hope are going to be players for
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: them moving forward. So there's no reason for those guys
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: to dog it.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: They're trying to establish themselves in the league, but I
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: feel a little bit for Willis because this is finally
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: getting an opportunity to be the primary starter. And like
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: in a very, very small sample size, he was a
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: good starter in Green Bay. And then he gets the
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: opportunity and they just strip the offense down. Like they
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: just trade out all the receivers. HN gets hurt. You
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: can't tell if he can play or not in this situation.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: The evaluation for them is so important because the coaches
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: should be able to tell. The coaches, you talk about
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Slowik and some of the things that he's putting together.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: He should be able to say he's capable of operating
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the system this way. He just doesn't have enough around
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: him that's helping him out enough. They should be able
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to make a determination. I'm not expecting him to win
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: more than, I don't know, three games.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: I think that, yeah.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: You know, three or four games, tops.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: What's the line?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Seven. That's disrespect for the Patriots.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: Well, it's really a 10.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: A touchdown road favorite? Plus that team, though? You think
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: that's disrespectful? Yeah, a little bit. There's only two road
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: favorites in the whole week.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Patriots are one of them.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit. Barton Poland, regarding Drake's... He finds
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: disrespect with every spread.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I told my dad to take the Patriots.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: In his Survivor Bowl.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: He was chomping up to Chicago last week. Like, that's
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: disrespectful to put that there only.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Every week he asks me if he can take the Patriots,
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, this week, Dad, you can take the Patriots.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Barton Poland says, regarding Drake's interception in the Bears game,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Paul mentioned on Tuesday that if Raritan had turned around,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it could potentially have been a DPI. Obviously, it was
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: a terrible pass regardless, but that got me thinking of
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a pretty similar situation from Super Bowl 51. The second-to-last
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: pass resulted in a DPI that put the Patriots at
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the one-yard line. The throw was fairly low. and the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: receiver had to turn back to locate the ball, but
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: he drew the flag and gave his first and goal
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: at the 1. On the very next play, Brady threw
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: an absolutely awful fade that could easily have been intercepted.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: It was a genuinely terrible throw by Brady, but nobody
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: remembers that way because James White scored in the next play,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and the rest is history. Here's the question for Paul.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Who was Tom Brady throwing to on each of his
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: final two passes before the game-winning touchdown and overtime?
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Martell has been.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's correct. Ding, ding, ding.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: I literally just said Martell has been. He threw one
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: at Danny Amendola in overtime, I think, two on an out,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: and he, like, fit it into a keyhole.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: That one and the one to Hogan along the sideline
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: are just unbelievable throws.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the other part of what I was talking
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: about in that play, and I do agree, like, if
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Raritan happens to be looking and he tries to fight
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: back through the defender... The difference in this one is
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the linebacker turned around and made a play on the ball.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: So he has every right for the ball, too. Now
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: he's inside. So if he turns around the same way,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what Raritan does. I didn't want to
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: make it sound like I was putting Raritan on call
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: for that interception. So I wanted to make sure. It
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: was a bad throw. That was on Drake May.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Andre has a question. If someone wanted to hire Mike
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Tomlin this offseason... Let's use the Eagles, for example. Would
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: they have to trade for him since he didn't get
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: fired and walked away on his own? Is this very
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: similar to the Sean Payton situation with the Saints?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I believe he was still under contract. I'd have to
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: know what his contract situation is.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: He'll still have his rights.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: Sounds like he's under contract through 2027. Yes, I think that, yes.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: He signed a three-year deal in 2024.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he walked away. It would be like Payton.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Payton missed a year before he came back, and then
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: they had to make a trade, right?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I think that still happens.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: He's under contract until 27, but if he doesn't coach
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: for them until then, that keeps... That keeps.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Doesn't toll.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: It doesn't toll.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Two more. He'd have two more years.
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: Oh, geez.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: So you're going to have to do a deal with
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the Steelers to get Mike Tomlin. Right.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I think Fred has it right.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: He's too busy playing Minecraft.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: He doesn't have more time for Minecraft.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: He had the time then.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Makes you think, Alex.
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: Makes you think. Spending a lot of time on that thing.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I work on Minecraft.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: He's got that high voice, too.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: Oh, I get it, though. I think that's a great
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: way to... It's pretty good, though.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I think he does a pretty good job.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: He does Minecraft? Yes.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Basically, yes, on Minecraft.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: It was incredible.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: The answer to both questions is yes. I don't know
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: from Minecraft.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: The attention to detail was really impressive. Yeah, it really was. Yeah,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: he's doing a good job.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: He's not afraid to call people out, which usually guys
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: that are just out of the league or trying to
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: still stay in the league, they get a little bit
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: cold feet of criticizing people.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Not Mike Tomlin.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I think he's better than Garrett.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Well, Garrett doesn't want to criticize anybody.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: By a lot.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Randy's in Providence. What's up, Randy?
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: Hey.
• 34:57
  Speaker 15: Sorry about earlier. I'm at work and had to drop
• 34:59
  Speaker 15: the call on. And, Colin, you guys kind of touched
• 35:03
  Speaker 15: on it earlier, but you guys don't think there's an issue,
• 35:06
  Speaker 15: like the Colts that just don't want to do business
• 35:09
  Speaker 15: with the Patriots, very much like Tennessee? And, like, if
• 35:12
  Speaker 15: there is, do you guys think that's, like, a huge disadvantage,
• 35:15
  Speaker 15: like that two teams in the NFL potentially just won't
• 35:18
  Speaker 15: do business with them?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Well, if it's true, I mean, it doesn't help. But,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it is true. I don't know.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: I don't see that being the case with the Colts.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: But maybe I'm right off.
• 35:33
  Speaker 15: It feels to me like an owner that's standing on
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: the sidelines looking over the coach's shoulder might be also
• 35:41
  Speaker 15: into the details enough to be like, you screwed my dad,
• 35:44
  Speaker 15: you know?
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Could be.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: That's what I said.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: I could see, you know, like you're young and you're
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: not in charge and you're watching somebody screw over your
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: dad and your organization and you might hold a grudge.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: That's a long freaking grudge. I know it's a long grudge,
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: but people hold grudges.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: And remember, they're the ones that started the flaky, aren't they?
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's different. That's the other side. That would be
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: why the patriots wouldn't want it. Yeah, and maybe we've
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: said some things.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: And I don't see that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's kind of a little bit of a war
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: back and forth, and we don't have good relations.
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: Maybe.
• 36:12
  Speaker 15: Well, yeah, and I mean, it's a long grudge, sure,
• 36:15
  Speaker 15: but imagine it's your dad and someone screwed him over
• 36:18
  Speaker 15: and your dad died hating him.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:20
  Speaker 15: That grudge is never dying. You know what I mean?
• 36:24
  Speaker 15: And I don't know. It just seems like a.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: Honor your father.
• 36:28
  Speaker 15: Disadvantage, you know? Especially with them being the teams like
• 36:31
  Speaker 15: Tennessee and Indy that are kind of big sellers right now.
• 36:35
  Speaker 15: Are there any other teams that are sellers that, you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 15: you could really kind of pick up a piece from?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Chargers?
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Cardinals?
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a bunch of bad teams. I don't know.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: Maybe.
• 36:50
  Speaker 15: Can you guys remember times historically throughout the NFL where
• 36:53
  Speaker 15: this sort of pettiness has gone on? Do you think
• 36:55
  Speaker 15: it's common because billionaires just aren't used to being spurned
• 36:59
  Speaker 15: or like.
• 36:59
  Speaker 16: Did you.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Ever hear of Al Davis?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just going to say Al Davis.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: I just don't know if like... I understand what Randy's
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: saying but we don't know that this pettiness is going on.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I honestly don't really think it's a big deal at all.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: Neither do I.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I think these kinds of things happen all the time.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: That's why I said did you ever hear of Al Davis?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Al Davis had a thing with every team in the league.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Didn't prevent him from.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: He had a thing with the league.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: You know, this.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: this stuff, I'm sure there are, there are grudges. I,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I'll bet you there are teams, Randy, that would rather
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: not deal within their divisions, you know, and stuff like
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: that too. You know, I, I, I think there are
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: probably restrictions, whether they're perceived or otherwise, that exist across
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: the league.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: Well, both those big trades from the last few days
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: are AFC to NFC, right? I mean, it's a little
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: bit more common.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: It's one of the things I gave Belichick a lot
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: of credit for because he didn't care. Thanks, Randy. In general,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: he wanted the best deal. I'm not telling you he
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: made the best deal all the time. Sometimes I think...
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I think he got caught up in this stuff too.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Like Jimmy Garoppolo. Like sending Richard Seymour to the Raiders
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: or like Jamie Collins to Cleveland.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Or Jimmy Garoppolo to the 49ers. But that was the
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: other way. Well, he got less for Jimmy Garoppolo.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: No, he's talking about inter-conference or out-of-conference.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: The biggest example of him not caring about what team
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: is Drew going to Buffalo because he didn't fear Bledsoe
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: stopping him from doing anything that he wanted to do.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: And he's right. Buffalo gave him a first-round pick. For
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: him to say, I don't want to send him to
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: a division rival would be foolish. And I think some
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: teams do that. Some teams take a lesser deal because
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: they don't want to go in the division. And I
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: always credited Belichick for not doing that.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that thought the Celtics trained
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Jalen Brown to the Sixers was a mistake. Just because
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: it was an Eastern Conference opponent. Nothing to do with
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: anything else. But the Jimmy Garoppolo thing, he just Gave
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: him away.
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: To the 49ers.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Because he thought it was a good situation for Garoppolo, which, again,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: is wrong. Like, that's one of the times where he
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: didn't do what I'm giving him credit for. Right.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Like, take the best deal, not something that you think
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: is going to set your guy up.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Wasn't the rumor that Cleveland was willing to give, like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: three first-round picks for him or something like that?
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Adam Schechter said that they wouldn't take four first-round picks
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: for him.
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: We wouldn't take that.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: The Patriots wouldn't take four first.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: They took a mid-second rounder.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: And they took a second rounder instead.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Technically, he would. but didn't Mary Kay Abbott or whatever
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: her name is... Say that the Browns were willing to
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: give multiple.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Mary Kay Cabot.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: She's a Hall of Famer.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Were willing to give multiple first-round picks for Garoppolo.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: That was the rumor.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I think that was the story.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: There was definitely more. I don't know if it was
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: multiple first-round picks, but they definitely could have gotten more
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: for Garoppolo.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons just got two first-round picks. I think they
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: could have gotten at least one first-round pick for Jimmy Garoppolo.
• 39:56
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: But he went to the Niners and made a Super
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Bowl and made Bill look good because he turned out
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: to be good.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: All right. Sabah is in North Carolina. What's up, Sabah?
• 40:07
  Speaker 17: Hey there, gentlemen and lady. I got questions for you guys.
• 40:11
  Speaker 17: First of all, don't underestimate Miami. The Patriots, if I'm
• 40:14
  Speaker 17: not mistaken, had difficulty winning at Miami. I think when
• 40:17
  Speaker 17: Drake made one.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I think it was.
• 40:19
  Speaker 14: The rookie year, maybe last year.
• 40:20
  Speaker 17: It was kind of unusual. So, Paul, don't talk them
• 40:24
  Speaker 17: down like you did Jaguars. That's right.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: We all remember that, Sabah.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't talk the Jaguars down. As a matter of fact,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I picked the Jaguars to win the game. I could
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: have sworn.
• 40:34
  Speaker 17: Was it you that said it was going.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: To be a beatdown? No, I kind of did, but
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: not for the team that you think I did.
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: Oh, okay.
• 40:43
  Speaker 17: Anyway, let's don't underestimate me. They're all in the NFL.
• 40:45
  Speaker 17: My question to you guys is, Will we ever see
• 40:49
  Speaker 17: up-tempo by the offense? And why haven't we seen it yet?
• 40:53
  Speaker 17: We're like, did a quick count with 12 seconds to go,
• 40:57
  Speaker 17: and they caught the Patriots out of position when they were, like,
• 41:00
  Speaker 17: faking what they were doing. But then by the time
• 41:01
  Speaker 17: the snap happened, they went into fake, so they never
• 41:04
  Speaker 17: went in position. Is there any possibility that the Patriots
• 41:07
  Speaker 17: will do stuff like that?
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Well, they were quick snapping. I would say that's a
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: little bit different than up-tempo. Like, they were still huddling.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: but they were quick snapping. Once they got to the
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: line of scrimmage, they weren't letting the play clock bleed
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: at all. They were just getting up there and snapping
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: the football. And Kevin Byard talked about it. It caught
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: the Patriots off guard defensively. It was something that the
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: bears used and used and manipulated. Well, I, I always
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: think like uptempo, like you look at the stats and stuff,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: like if you're in a lot of two minute situations,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: if you're in a lot of end of game situations,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: then that inflates like how much you're running uptempo. I
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: don't think that that's like a way of life that
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: they want to be. Like they're not going to be
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Chip Kelly and all of a sudden start running a
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: bunch of no huddle and stuff like that. I mean,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: is it a change up that they could maybe use? Sure.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: But I think that they look at it more as like,
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: if we get you into certain personnel grouping, you know,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: we get you in your base defense against 12 and
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: we like Raritan on this linebacker. And so we're going
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: to rush to the line of scrimmage and play tempo
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: and try to keep you in that personnel grouping. But
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: that type of stuff isn't going to, like, bear out statistically.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: But there is a difference between up-tempo and no huddle.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: No huddle can simply be getting to the line so
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: that you can't do those adjustments.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: That's what Evan's talking about.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Personnel. But still take your time at the line, you know?
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: You could do that, yeah.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: I think that, you know, I don't know. I don't
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: think that that's, like, the secret sauce that's going to, like,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: turn them into this, like, juggernaut offense, but.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: I think those are more things that are change-ups, not
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: like this is our primary stuff.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: Are you surprised, though?
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: Because I felt like they did it a lot in
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: training camp, and we've seen kind of none of it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: No, because Josh has always really operated at more of
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: a methodical pace because of all the stuff that they
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: want to do pre-snap. So in order to be a
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: tempo team like that, the one thing you're taking away
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: from yourself is, the adjustments at the line of scrimmage.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Like you just are kind of getting on the ball
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: and running the play. So I, I, I'm not like,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: as I don't think that he's outside of like, cause
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: that was really Bill O'Brien that was doing that with Brady.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: And like, you know, that when 2010, 2011 period of time,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: I never really seen McDaniels be somebody that like really
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: buys in all the way into tempo and like going fast.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: What I've seen. And I agree with Evan on this,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: and Mike, I'm curious when we look back at training camp,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: when did you, you remember seeing like the hurry up
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: more often than not? Cause I have something in my
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: mind and that's basically when they made a play.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Right. So they might get like a chunk play for
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: 25 yards and they would run to the line. And
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I think that's been a staple. And Evan explained kind
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: of what the thought is. McDaniels has done that a lot.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: And I used to, It used to drive me crazy.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: He did it a lot. Like if they would get
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: a big play that would get him down like inside
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: the five yard line. And Fred, what did I used
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: to call it? Hurry up and fail. Right. They would
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: run to the line of scrimmage, keep the same personnel,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: and they would try to run it in and get
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: stuff in the backfield like two yard loss. And I
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: was like, everything you're doing offensively is working. They can't stop.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: This is like I'm talking about the height of Brady.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Like they can't stop you. Why are you running to
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: the line just so you can outfox them and get
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: them in their nickel package and you're going to try
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: to run it in and then you're not ready and
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: you're rushing and it ended up not working. I think
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: that's what they like to do in terms of the
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: hurry up is what Evan's talking about. Catching teams with
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: personnel on the field that they think works to their
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: advantage and they don't want them to sub. And I
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: think that's what they were doing in the summer a lot.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: They would hit a ball to Romeo Dobbs. They would
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: hit a ball to A.J. Brown. Run up. they would
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: run to the line. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it was
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: more often than not. That's how I remember.
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: It, too.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: But I just wonder why can't you run to the
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: line and let Drake take a step back and survey
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: and then let him call a play and run it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't seen that much in the regular season,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: They're going faster this year than they were last year.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Last year they were near the bottom of the league
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: in pace. This year they're in the middle of the pack.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: But the two slowest offenses in the league last year,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: the Patriots and the Seahawks.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: And I would also venture to say, this is one
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: of those, you always make fun of me, I just
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: pull them out. I'd venture to say they've spent more
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: time trailing this year already in seven games than they
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: did the entirety of last year. That, to me, lends
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: itself to the pace. To Evan's point, the two best
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: teams in football... that were winning every game in the
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: second half that they played, you know, spent a lot
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: of time running the ball. And when you run the
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: ball killing clock to kill the clock, you're snapping it,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: you know, in the last five seconds, three seconds of
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: the play clock throughout the second half, you're going to,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: that's going to slow your tempo down.
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: That's pace is slower.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: That's why I brought up like, you know, it's all
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: kind of situational, you know, like, are you trailing in
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: the fourth quarter and you need to run no huddle
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: because you're trying to get back in games. They don't
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: find themselves, luckily, they don't find themselves in a ton
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: of those situations.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Todd and Garner, I think this is about the injury
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: and Paul and Evan being so positive. I think that
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: what we are seeing, the return to the starting lineup
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: for the team as injuries are getting resolved, this is
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: a good thing, Fred. We fought through some tough times
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and still are in the fight. No hands need to
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: be chopped off. Miami is going to face a pissed
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Pats team tomorrow. That let one go against the Bears.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Patriots 44, Miami 17. Calling it now, Fred. Patriots take
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: the playoffs by taking the East. I agree with that.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I still think we're going to win the East. I'm good.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Why can't you? I'm all for that.
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, 3-0 in the division would be pretty nice. But,
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, that Buffalo game is going to be a doozy.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: And that's what.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Happened last year. Just got to hope it matters.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: That's all.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Let's see. Christian with a T-I-A-N writes in, any concern
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: that Vrabel is too soft on his guys or has
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a soft spot for his guys? Belichick and Parcells had
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: their guys. Belichick in particular was cutthroat, though. Usually got
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: rid of a guy a year early rather than a
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: year late. How many times did we hear that over
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the years? Parcells, I don't remember as much. Whether it's A.J. Brown,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: jury is still out. Landry, good for basically five games. Moses,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: who looks like he's 93 years old. after every play
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: when he has to peel himself off the turf to
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: get up. Spillane, who definitely has lost a step. Is
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: he too easy on those guys?
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: I could hear that about the Titan guys. I mean,
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know. I've been disappointed with Bayard. And,
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: you know, I wonder about Harold Landry. Like, is there
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: a realistic chance that he even has the chance to
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: return this year and be an impactful player?
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: I don't know. And You know, it's it's it's I've
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: never seen that. Maybe you guys can can clue me
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: in on this.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: But this seems like a unique situation in my mind
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: of somebody who played till the end of last season.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: And then you just don't really know what's up. And,
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: you know, you know, he was battling something for half
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: of last year. You don't know what surgery he got.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: You know, and in a realistic world, to me, you're
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: saying this is great. Harold Landry is going to come back.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: He's one of our prize pieces from last year. He
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: was really good in the first two games before he
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: got hurt. But nobody's thinking that.
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: And now everybody's just thinking, will he even ever get
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: back on the field?
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's not taking up a roster spot at
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: this point.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: And I would just argue, in terms of whether he's
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: being easy or not, what were they supposed to do
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: with Harold Landry? If they cut him, I think the
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: money is probably similar.
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: It's hurt.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: The only thing he could have is if he retired.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: If he retired, then that sort of changes things. But
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's an unfortunate situation. He's on PUP.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 49:10
  Speaker 11: And I think it was so important to bring those
• 49:12
  Speaker 11: guys in and establish the culture that they established last year.
• 49:16
  Speaker 11: So I don't even think you can make the call
• 49:19
  Speaker 11: on if he's too soft. on those guys until you
• 49:20
  Speaker 11: see like how it plays out with Landry, how it
• 49:23
  Speaker 11: plays out with these guys towards the end.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't call it soft. I would say in player acquisition,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: they favor some of those guys.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. He's gone after guys that he's familiar and comfortable with.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: And I think that that's a fair approach because they,
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: to Alex's point, they know the culture, they know the
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: scheme fit, they know, you know, that sort of thing,
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: but was 33-year-old Kevin Bayard the best option at safety
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: this offseason?
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Fair question.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's, you know... But also, to be.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Fair, look at the numbers he put up last year.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: He did, and, you know, the ball found him, and
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: this year the ball is not finding him as much. So, like,
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: I think that that's... I'm more... Less worried about what
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: the emailer was driving at of him not benching those guys.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Those are the guys. Those are your guys now.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Morgan Moses was one of the guys he mentioned. What
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: is the example of Mike Rabel being easy? I'm not
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: picking on Christian. He's one of my favorites. He knows that.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: But he's being easy on Morgan Moses. Morgan Moses has
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: been a warrior this year. He clearly has not been
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: healthy enough to play in some of the games that
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: he's played in. and he's been out there generally competing.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: He hasn't gotten killed in these games. He's had some struggles.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not ignoring that.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Tough matchups, too.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not ignoring the struggles that he's had.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: It's like one or two plays a game where he
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: just doesn't have the explosiveness.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: And he's had some penalties. He's not been as sharp
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: as he was last year, but I don't see that
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: as an example of the coaches being easy on him.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: What is your option?
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: I just hope that they don't favor the familiarity too much.
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: They're kind of running out of it, aren't they? Yeah,
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: maybe a little bit.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: There's only so many guys.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Bayard, A.J.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: There's other players available. Now, I guess maybe you could
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: say the Packer tie, but, like, Romeo Dobbs wasn't a
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Vrabel guy. He may be an Elliott Wolfe guy, but
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: not a Vrabel guy. You know, Milton Williams wasn't a
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: guy that he had to... They didn't have ties to
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Morgan Moses.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: He's just.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Now he's one of their guys.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, so, like, they do both, but... But
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: I think every coach.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: You know, favors veterans in a way that they have
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: more leash than the younger guys.
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: That's natural.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: I think that that's, you know, a good thing.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's seeing these guys get days off, and
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: that's part of what makes Brable a player's coach, I think,
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: is that he understands the wear and tear.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: I remember how interesting it was last year to see
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: guys come out in the middle of practice. Like, I
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: had never seen that before. Yesterday with Daquan Jones. You
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: were there and you're not, you know.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Daquan Jones wasn't out there when we were out there,
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: and then he ended up practicing in a limited time.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: You know, capacity.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Dalton in Illinois, this is kind of a straw man email,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: but anyway, I think everyone who is dogging on the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Patriots being 4-3 need to put it into perspective. Every
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: loss this season was to a division winner and playoff
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: team of last year. We are beating the teams we
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: should and losing to teams that are really good. As
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: we get healthy, I think we'll rattle off more and
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: more wins, including more against good teams. No real question here.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Just think perception matters for this team.
• 52:31
  Speaker 14: Season.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Is everyone dogging the Patriots for being 4-3?
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Not that I've heard. I don't think so.
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: No, I think it was in the neighborhood of what
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: I expected.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, people realize they're hurt. They're kind of struggling
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: through that.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've actually heard the opposite.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: It's that, like, somehow they're being credited with being 4-3.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: They weathered the storm. Yeah.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the issue is that they don't
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: have as many cupcakes on the schedule as they did
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: last year.
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: So like these games against the jets and the dolphins
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: are must wins to me because they, they need to
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: inflate their wind total by beating up on these bad
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: teams that they do have. But then after this, like,
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: you know, I just watched a Packers lions from last week.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Those that's two good teams. Those are two tough games.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: You know, the lions defense, not very good, but their
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: offense is really good. And you know, that, that, that's
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: going to be hard. The Vikings game is going to
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: be hard. The chiefs game is going to be hard.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: The Broncos game is going to be hard. So like
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: they don't have, The Chargers, the Dolphins, the Jets, you
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: have to clean up in these games. It's hard to
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: get to 10 wins if you're not winning the ones
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: you should win.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: It's not hard to see them 5-5 at the bye.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: That's not crazy to think about.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Ben in Amesbury, please tell us what caused Mike to
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: burst out laughing and point at the TV during Sabah's call.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Myself.
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: I will. So.
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: I got a call from my dad last night as
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: I was going to Costco, and I was like, hey, dad.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Let me call you back. And he's like, Mike, you're
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: on TV.
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, what? Why? He's like, you were interviewed
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: in A.J.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Brown.
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: I'm like, well, I was.
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: And then I realized, like, whenever he knows scrums, you
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: know you're standing right next to him. I finally saw
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: a shot, and it's literally like a two-shot of A.J.
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: Brown and me right next to it, and it was
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: just way too much deuce.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: It was striking.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: But the look on your face was like Mr. Inquisitive.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: You're so conscious that you're on it.
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: Did I do like the, yeah, that makes sense. I
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: get what he's saying.
• 54:19
  Speaker 11: You raised one of your eyebrows a little to your head.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: Deuce got right in there. There was some grousing about this, Fred,
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: yesterday about A.J.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Brown.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: Decided to do a scrum at his locker.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Well, it was insane to watch it all play out.
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: You know how the media gets. Everybody, you know, running.
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: It was kind of like Diggs.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: Last year, Diggs used to do his press conferences always
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: at his locker, and it was always very, very busy.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: But sometimes it's hard to get in there. They start,
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: you can't get in. So I got in, and I
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: had Reese's phone, NBC Sports, Boston's mic.
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: I was all up in there.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: That's because you're a team player.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: You were part of his PR team.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Well, it looked like a two-shot.
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: That's why I was like, why? Pan left.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Get me out of there. Good job.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Speaking of the media, Pete in Jupiter, Florida, formerly Ottawa,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: found out a few weeks ago that all you guys
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: are vertically challenged. I was wondering why it seems like
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: most sports journalists are so short, it makes sense as
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: to why you all never became athletes.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I would say not all.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Mike's not short.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Mike's not short.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Phil Perry's not short. Taylor's not short. Brian Hines is
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: not short. So, you know, there's me, and then there's, like, Reese.
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: Well, the guys that.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: They see, like, Adam Schefter and all those guys.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but on our beat, Doug's pretty tall, too. Like,
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: on our beat, we have some taller guys.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Callie is not a small guy.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Callie is not, like, a giant, but not a short guy.
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  Speaker 1: No. So.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: We got some, we got a good mix.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Probably hit six.
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: Ben Bowen's not very tall.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: No, he's small.
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: He's small.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: But, but right on our show right here, Mike's not short.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: I'm like five, six ish.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: But, but the email is right. We, Alex is five,
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: six ish. We, we all, we all wanted to be
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: professional athletes at one point in time in our life.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: We're not good enough. So now we talk about sports.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: There's probably some truth to that.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I think it's rare that someone who got
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: into sports journalism didn't like to play sports.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think all of us, when we were 13,
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: probably were like, we're going to make it, and then
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: you don't.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: And if you were really, really good, you probably didn't
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: go into sports journalism. Now, there's a difference between the
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: ex-athlete that's an analyst now. That's not sports journalism. I'm sorry.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: It's not. It's not the same thing. Nor what we
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: do here is no longer sports journalism. No, we're not.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: Breaking news that's what was funny to me about guy
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: uh i've mentioned to you bj schecter who uh he's
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: been around forever but in high school he was working
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: for the metro west daily news like he was covering
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: high school games while he was in high school it
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: was kind of one of the rare people that.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I did that you know what covered games that i
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: played in charms that's why i quoted the coach i
• 56:57
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• 57:00
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• 57:03
  Speaker 11: Chris Cotillo from MassLive was breaking MLB trades as a
• 57:07
  Speaker 11: high schooler.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Where did he go?
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: Shams was breaking news in college.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: Shams Sharania. He was already like an NBA insider. He's
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: still in college.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, first off, I think they're really buying into it.
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: kind of coaching, the new coaching, um, regime. And I
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: know they're, um, they're playing good football, you know, to
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: be honest, I think, you know, especially defensively, they do
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: a lot of different things, variety wise. Um, they got
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: young guys, we got a mix of some veterans. Um,
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: we got some guys that we've seen in the past
• 59:43
  Speaker 7: that are good players, uh, 92 up front, uh, 44
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: on the edge chop. I know they're, um, two, they're
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: creating some havoc and they had some young rookies kind
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: of in the middle. And obviously, um, you know, Brooks
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: has been a great player in this league. He's led
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: the league in tackles. So he has some good pieces
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: and they, they're playing together and, They've also played a
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: tough schedule against some tough offenses. So I think we've
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  Speaker 7: got a tough challenge. And we know we're going down
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  Speaker 7: there on the road, a place that we've played, but
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: battling the heat. So I know we've got to put
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: our best foot forward and get back to it.
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  Speaker 5: What have you learned from those two times that you've
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: been down there?
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  Speaker 6: How to best manage.
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  Speaker 7: Combat that heat that you're in? Yeah, I played down
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: there in college too. Same type deal. They put us
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: in the sun side, as they should, and try to
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: get the shade. So just knowing that you've got to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: hydrate throughout the week. be careful with your body um
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: try to you know start it now and not try
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: to wait till you know the night before during game
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: day and then from there just knowing that you're going
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: to feel something a little bit extra you know it's
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 7: not you know super you know late in the season
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: where we've been battling the cold for a while up
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: here so not a huge change in temperature but still
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: you know it's definitely a factor with the humidity and
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: you know grew up in the south so you're a
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: little more used to it but um still i'm a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: i'm a new england guy now but uh knowing that
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: you got to battle that and Especially the guys that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: run a lot more, me running after a scramble, kind
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 7: of doing the play call, little things that kind of
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: catch you off guard. You just got to be thinking
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: ahead and knowing you may battle that.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 15: How do you make sure these guys don't read too
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 15: much into the record in this situation?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: Like I just said, they play a tough schedule. They
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: play a lot of people close as well. Play some
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: tough offenses, some good teams. I know that it's the NFL.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: Every week it's nothing that you can come in here
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: and Act like the record means something. I think Coach
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: was able to just mention to us that this morning
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: in the team meeting, that's not the NFL. It's any
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: given week, and everybody's got good players that can play,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: and especially when you're on the road, you've got to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: bring your best ball.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: When it comes to the scramble drills, what do you
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: communicate with the receivers when you get off the move
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that of how to get open and
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: how to help each other?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 7: I think it's an ongoing process with learning kind of
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: the guy that's in the scramble drill. I think one
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: of the biggest things is you want a deep element
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: and kind of intermediate element and kind of an outlet
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: that you can kind of throw to and also running
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: is another chance. But the best thing I liked about
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: our guys lately, they have to get their eyes back
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: to me. I think that's the biggest thing. Make sure
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: they're looking for the ball, trying to see space and
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: not trying to run into the same kind of area.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: I think usually when you're trying to go one way,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: You need to try to settle or work to the sideline.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: I think oftentimes you get in trouble when you're trying
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: to work back across the field kind of away from
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: where I'm going. So the guys got a great feel
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 7: for it. You know, I always tell them to try
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: to come back to the football and keep coming back
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 7: to it. You know, even if you're running downhill and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: you end up with a three yard catch, it's better than,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 7: you know, throwing it away. So I think those guys
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: got a good, good feel for it. And I'm trying
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: my best to try to, you know, hang in there
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: and keep my eyes downfield when it's a good pocket
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: and go make plays when, you know, I feel like
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: I can.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: Is it something you can practice or is it kind
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: of hard to practice.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: And simulate that?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: I think it's a hundred percent something you can practice.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: I think it's, It's hard when you're trying to play
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: on time and throughout practice to try to hit passing
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: game looks. But every now and then you get out there,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: and the scout team does a good job of covering
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: something up. I try to get outside in the red
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: zone or maybe on third down and try to make
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: something happen. I think it's hard to replicate it all
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: at the same time. That's what training camp and kind
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: of building it. Really, game reps is another great place.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: You learn from when game reps.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Drake, when you take off.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: Running, I noticed that you really moved the ball from
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: your right arm to your left arm.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a really, really good catch that you have.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: For some reason, I'm comfortable holding it in my left.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: I know it's more natural probably as a righty to
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: hold it in my right, but I don't know. It's
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: a weird thing. And I think practicing ball security drills
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: with both hands is something I've been working on and
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: trying to be good with the football. I think that's
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: the biggest thing is making sure I got whichever arm
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: it is high and tight. And for some reason, it's
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: like my dad growing up, he used to be on
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: a fast break I think we're improving. I think we're growing.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: We're battling some injuries. We're battling some kind of Kind
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: of feel like we're there one week, then we're dipping
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: back down and then battling penalties. The biggest thing is
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: we're moving the football. We just got to try to
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: finish off drives, get out of our own way penalty-wise,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: and protect the football. And that starts with me, protecting
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: the football and realizing that turnover of the football is
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: going to take away points. And knowing that's huge, especially
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: down in the red zone. So that's the biggest thing
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: for me, I think myself. And this team is battle penalties,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: try to stay on track with yards-wise, down the distance.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: And from there, I think just finish off drives.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: How much does it help.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: Having two quality tight ends, not just, you know, big
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: bodies as receivers, but also before the snap in terms
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: of being able to kind of simplify things.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe your career plan?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I've been blessed really my whole career since I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 7: got here with Hoop and Hunter, you know, to have,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: you know, good tight ends. And obviously we lost Hoop, but,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 7: you know, now Eli's, you know, really, you know, grown
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: into a big role. And I'm, you know, appreciate getting to,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: you know, kind of be in with a young tight
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: end and kind of get to, you know, kind of
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: not really showing the ropes, but show them how I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: see things and how I've learned seeing things with Hunter.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: and hoop back in the day. But really, Hunter's one
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: of the best things for Eli that you can have
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: in the room. He's played as such a veteran, such
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: a veteran presence.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: He's a pro.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: He does everything the right way, and we've got a
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: great connection in that room. We've got a strong room
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: in the run game and pass game, so they do
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: a lot for us, and it makes it tough on defense.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: You can match us in big people, and you can
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: try to match us in little people, and we'll try
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: to run it. So there's different things that you can create,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: and at the same time, they're great in the passing game.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: And I believe a clear high in the seeding yard
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: last week.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 15: How nice and how important is it to have a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 15: guy that can kind.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 9: Of do both?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: He can sit back, he can hand the ball off,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: and you also know he's there.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Ramond Dre, I told him the other day,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: he's one of the best. Even though we don't only
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: use him on third downs, he's one of the best
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: third down backs in the league. The way he can protect,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: the way he runs routes, and the way he's just fluid.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: You guys see him making cuts, and he even had
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: some more chances for him to to make plays, you know,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: in the air. I missed him on the time where
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 7: I ran and scrambled instead, but he's a mismatch. He
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: can beat you, you know, moving side to side and
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: shaking you, and he can, you know, go by you.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: So he's tough to, you know, deal with, and he's
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: also smart. So it's fun to be back there with him.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're a little.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: More kind of in the flow of the season, so
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: it's a little more, I wouldn't say normal, but a
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: little more kind of your routine-wise, back into the routine
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: right now. I think the first game, when you have
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 7: a break like that on Wednesday, coming from an off-season
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: in a training camp, you kind of feel like you
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: want to play more games. But I think we're kind
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: of trying to get in the flow of things back.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 7: I don't know if we have a 1 o'clock game
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: for a while now, so kind of getting the feel
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: for playing a little later in the day. And then
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: from there, we've got some roads, some homes. They're international,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: so we've got to take it one week at a time.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: And knowing that we're back on the road in the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: division game, it's a big chance for us to get going.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: I think one of the best things about Coach McDaniels
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: is we've got a lot of different answers for trying
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: to attack that. I think one of the hardest things
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: is you try to have an answer for it, and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: the guys you think coming aren't the guys you think coming.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: The other guys are dropping, so it's tough with how
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: much different defenses can do and what they can drop
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: out these guys and bring these guys and bring the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: guys up the middle and drop the guys on the edge.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: It's something you've got to challenge every week. You've got
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: to have a plan. I've got to be knowing communication-wise
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: and what we want to do offensively, and at the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: end of the day, I think trying to stay in
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: yards where we're you're trying to stay out of that or,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: you know, when you're kind of got to have it,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: you know, moments at the end of the game or
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: third downs or, you know, when pressure situations just have
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: an answer, trust kind of what you're seeing and, you know,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: go make it.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: And now, great moments in.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Back in the day when Eric was still a meat eater,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: we went to Arthur's and he wanted to get a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: steak well done, and I objected.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: I objected.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: He voiced an opposition. That's ridiculous.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Told the server, said, don't you dare. Don't you dare
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: bring him a cooked steak. about five minutes later.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: He doesn't need a good cut, is what I'm saying.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: You don't need to waste the money on someone who's going.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: To have it well done. It's a waste of money
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: because you don't like it cooked that way.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: It'll taste the same, is what I'm saying. He won't
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: even know the difference.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Of course you know the difference between cuts of meat.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Not when you do it well done. Not when you
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: cook it well done.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: Just give him a hoof.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: It loses all its flavor.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: A wing.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: It loses all its flavor.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: All you taste is the charbroil. It's a sin, Ma.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: It's a sin, Ma.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: I stand by that.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: If you're going to get a steak, you know, medium
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: is the highest temp you should go.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 11: And Fred, they do save, like, the crappier cuts for
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 11: well done, if you read Kitchen Confidential.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: So I don't like well done. It's... bothers the crap
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: out of me every time i have a cookout i
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: have my brother two brother-in-laws, and a sister-in-law that insist
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: on everything being completely well done. So you're on the grill.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: You got, like, whole different things going on with this
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: side and that side.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 11: I think if you don't like well done, you don't like...
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 11: beef and you should just have chicken instead.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: My point to Fred was, that's the way he likes it.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Why are you telling him how he should do it?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Because it shouldn't be prepared that way. I agree with Fred.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: You don't have someone just as obnoxious as you.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: It shouldn't be.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 13: No.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: You're wasting a good piece of meat.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Give him a burger.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: An animal had to die for that.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Give him a burger. You know?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Grill him up a hot dog. Don't waste a steak
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: on someone who Wants it well done. I mean, come on.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I don't like it well done. I think it's ridiculous.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Now, I say that, but when it comes to coffee,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I like cream and sugar. And a lot of coffee
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: people will say, well, get a milkshake. You're ruining coffee
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: by changing the flavor with the cream and the sugar.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Different.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Different.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Much different.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: I'm supposed to do this question every week thing, but.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: I have a quick question for Alex because my wife
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: had a friend who was going on a date last
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: night and they were meeting for coffee. And my wife said,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: it's a red flag if your blind date gets black coffee.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: But he actually got decaf tea. Can you break that down?
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: If you were on a blind date, how would you
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 6: interpret those two things?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I think a black coffee is
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: a red flag.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: Oh, it's a night day, too.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: It's a night day, so he's planning on staying up,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: if you know what I mean.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 11: I think you should just get drinks or an app
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 11: at night.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: Why are you getting coffee at night?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: That just tells me he's cheap.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: They were.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 12: Oh.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Is that the red flag?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: He doesn't want to go to dinner. You want to
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: get a coffee?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I thought you meant after dinner he had a black coffee.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: No, it's just a low commitment, let's meet for coffee.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh, oh.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Have a drink.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Or if you're sober, have like an app or something.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, it was baked into the date. You know,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: that's why I was, I don't know.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Like, what time of night was this?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: Like 7 o'clock?
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: No, stand alone.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Go to coffee.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: You're not going to eat?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: We're just going to go for drinks. What coffee shop
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: is open at 7 o'clock?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 6: It's impossible. Hey, I. All right, it's time for the
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: co-pilot question of the week presented by Microsoft co-pilot.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe we should ask co-pilot if it's a red flag.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Next week we will.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: Where every day is game day and where every decision
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: is powered by insight and innovation, Microsoft technology helps to
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: make decisions faster, insight sharper, and strategies more adaptive. And, Paul,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: I don't really have a good question for you this week,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: but I did ask co-pilot to do a little deep
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: dive on this rivalry because I do think it's pretty
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: interesting the way the Dolphins have always kind of been
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: a thorn in the side of the Patriots.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: I looked, you know, just the records.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: I've said this before, over 2001 to 2019, You're 34-4
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: against Buffalo, 31-7 against the Jets, 27-11.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: The Dolphins got 11.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: Some of the most famous ones, though, the 18 straight
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: wins in Miami that was ended with the Patriots winning
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: the 1985 AFC Championship. And, of course, the 2004 loss,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: which I'm kind of curious, you guys, like you talk
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: about games you got to have, the 2004 team, 29-28.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: They lost to the 2-9s. 2-11 Jets. It was an
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: unbelievable game. 2-11 Dolphins. Yeah, was that a no-nod that game?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: Were you waiting to get the nod?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 9: Oh, no.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: I had my whole story written. That was a Monday
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: night game. I had everything written. I was all set.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: It's the only time, really, that I just completely deleted
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: that whole word file and opened up a new file.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't even bother cutting and pasting and moving. I
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: said nothing that I had written. Was it all relevant
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: to what I ended up having to write? So I
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: just deleted it. I spiked it, is what they would
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: say in the newspaper business. Started over.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: I also don't think it's crazy to say that the
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: Dolphins maybe cost the Patriots maybe at least two appearances
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: in the Super Bowl, if not two more championships.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: I know of one.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: 2013, they lost to the Dolphins, and AFC Championship ends
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: up being in Denver instead of here.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: In New England.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: I did not remember that one.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: 2015, they lost again. I think that was the Steven
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: Jackson game. ends up being in Denver again instead of
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: home for the Patriots.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: I remember that.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: You know, the one time they overcame it was 2018,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: the Miami miracle. It ended up, they lost the top seed.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: They ended up winning in Kansas City, but they overcame it.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: And, of course, the last one was that 2019 dreadful
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: loss to Ryan Fitzpatrick that cost them a bye week.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: And then they lost the next week to Mike Bray.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: That's the one I was thinking of.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so those are, you know, just a, Dolphins kind
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: of a special little rivalry. I think, you know, we
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: love the Dodgers.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: And that one was here.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: The Ryan Fitzpatrick game was in New England. That's what
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: made that one so stunning.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: That was a painful one.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 11: I have a story after that game. I was covering
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 11: that game for Mass Live, so it was way back
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 11: in the day. Brady was so upset leaving that game,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 11: and I happened to be walking by him in the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 11: tunnel because he used to go out through the truck
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 11: bay or something. So he's walking with Vivian, his daughter
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 11: at the time. And she's laying into him because he
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 11: won't let her go run around on the field.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: And I'm just, like, thinking, like, this man just suffered
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: that loss. Everything it meant.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 11: But, like, he's just like us. His little daughter's calling
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 11: him a terrible dad.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Shut up, Vivi.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: She can't go play. I'm going to go donkey. She's like,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: you never let me play on the field anymore.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, man.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 11: I've never felt bad for Tom Brady before. But the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 11: look on his face as his daughter just laid into him.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: A nagging, precocious little daughter.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: So there you go. A little history there of the Dolphins.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's see.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Pordor, who was our listener from Iceland.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Mind you. Unfortunately, I can't always listen live.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: But on Tuesday, Christian from L.A. talked about an Icelandic song.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: He said he had receipts. His receipts are poop. Since
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know this song, nor does anyone I've asked.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: It could be that he was talking about this song.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: And he includes a YouTube link. We're not going to
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: play it. But anyway, so he is calling poop on
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Christian in L.A. What say you, Christian?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, except he does know the song, but it's only
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: on YouTube. So either he doesn't know the song or
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: it's only on YouTube. The song is actually a song
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 9: that you sing at a birthday party because I lived
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 9: there for a year and I went to a lot
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: of birthday parties. So I don't know what Torve or
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: whatever his name is or what the YouTube is, but
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 9: the song is pretty clear. You can even look it
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: up on your phones if you want. You can even
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 9: translate it word for word if you like. On to football.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Are you sure it's from Iceland?
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 9: I didn't live anyplace else but Iceland. So I'm pretty
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: sure it's from Iceland. I'll send you guys something in
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 9: an email.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Why did you live in Iceland?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: He was married to Miss Iceland.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: I was married to Miss Iceland. I was married to
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 9: a woman from Iceland.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Okay. And so you moved over. All right. And then
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: you moved to, where did you move from Iceland?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: From Iceland. I went back to New York and then
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 9: from New York, I came to LA.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 9: I went to Palm Springs actually, which is where I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 9: first landed in California, working for Merrill Lynch. I was
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 9: a manager for Merrill Lynch in Palm Springs.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Okay. And how's Miss Iceland doing?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 9: Oh, You know, she runs a ballet school. She has
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 9: two beautiful children, and that's all I really keep up
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 9: with her on.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Brandice is her name, actually.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 9: Which consequently means goddess of battle, which I did not
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 9: know we.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: First got into.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: You've got to be careful. That's a red flag right there.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 9: Her dad told me at the wedding, he said in
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: his Icelandic accent, I'm surprised you married her.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: And I went, what?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 9: She's the brightest person. You know, her name does mean
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 9: goddess of battle, right?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: And I went, whoa, what do you mean?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 9: And she was very feisty, fiery. The Icelandic women are
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 9: known as Valkyries because they do not take crap from anyone.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 6: Well, I didn't work out.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Alex, do you have any Icelandic blood in you? You
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: don't take any crap from anyone.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: That's unfortunate.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: Maybe I guess we're similar.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Because of me.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 9: It didn't work out because of me, but that's the difference.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, you don't meet a lot of people
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: who lived in Iceland, these parts. No, no, no.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 9: No, but you know what? And the best thing about
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 9: the people in Iceland, and this is kind of like football,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 9: is they absolutely have no idea of the concept. They
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 9: don't really get the concept of, like, racism or skin color. Like,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 9: I tried to explain American stuff to them, and they just,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 9: you know how a dog does when he doesn't understand something,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 9: he nods his head to the side? That's what they
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 9: would do. They would be like, what else? And it
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 9: was just the most amazing culture. They even have a
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 9: beautiful story about a guy in World War I whose
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 9: ship crashed, and he was a black guy, and they
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 9: were told to swim towards Greenland because there were savages
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 9: on this other place. But they did land in Iceland,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 9: and the guy was found on the shore, and he
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 9: wakes up, and he's got abrasions all over him. And
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 9: it turns out that because they had not seen a
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 9: lot of black people and they knew it was an
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 9: oil tanker that sank, They thought he had oil over him,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 9: and he had abrasions all over him.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: Trying to rub it off?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 9: The story goes, they were trying to wipe the oil
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 9: off of him. They didn't know he was a black person.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: It's an uplifting story, yeah.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: Really diverse over there.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 9: He wakes up and sees these beautiful nurses, and he
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 9: winds up falling in love with one and marrying one.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 9: And there's literally a statue in a town called Narvik
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 9: about this story. That's how wonderful the Icelandic people are.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: And this was like a couple years ago that it happened?
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: No, this was in 2003.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right. Okay, so what did you call about, Christian?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 9: I actually called for three quick things, and one of
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 9: them is going at Paul. But first I'll say this.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 9: What's the timeline, you guys, if A.J. Brown still does
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 9: not play well? Is it that he won't contribute to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 9: week 12, like I kind of said a little while ago?
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 9: Or is it just that recovering from this kind of
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 9: injury at his age might just leave him permanently without
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 9: that extra bit of burst? And at that, is it
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 9: going to fail on our part, too? I wanted to
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 9: talk about was this notion that Paul sort of championed with,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 9: you know, and Evan kind of championed it too. We
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 9: got some players who don't really want to swing for
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 9: the fences and go for these kind of players because
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 9: we don't want to lose a second first round pick.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 9: Let me just ask you, how many first round picks.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 15: Work out, Paul?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Well, how many should work out? All of them.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, over the years that I've been working for
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Fred Kirsch, I would say there's been about five that
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: didn't work out. So I would say about 20 have
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: been good. 23 have been good. Four or five have
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: been not working out. I mean, it's just off the
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: top of my head.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 9: To make it easy, let's take percentage. What percentage of
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 9: first-round draft picks work out?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: 75%.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 9: What percentage of second round draft picks work out?
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: I don't care. What is your point?
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: It goes down every round. It goes down every round.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: What is your point? That they should not have any
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: draft picks? Because you don't like them? Is that your point?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: Fine.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Trade them all. Trade all your draft picks for who?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Who do you want to trade them for?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 9: How did it work out for the Rams, Paul, to
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 9: just go ahead and get the right player for the
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 9: right position at the right time instead of saying... Yeah.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: And you know what else they've done exceptionally well? You
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: know what else the Rams have done exceptionally well? Draft.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: They've drafted exceptionally well. That's also a big part of
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: their success. And you know why they're struggling right now?
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Because they don't have any middle class. Because they've lost
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: it all, and they're getting a little bit older. I
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: love the Rams. Everybody knows that I love Sean McVay
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: and Matthew Stafford, correct?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: I love the way they go about their business. And
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: I would do that every time. I think it's been
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: wildly successful. There was different ways to do it, Christian.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: That's how they did it, and it worked for them,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: and I love it. I love the Rams. They're one
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: of my favorite teams that's not the Patriots. Like, Fred
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: makes fun of me about the Rams all the time.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: You love Stafford. But, like, the.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: Patriots did it a certain way for a lot of years. Like,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: now you're going to come back and say, oh, now
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: they stink because they had a couple of draft picks
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: that didn't work? I mean, what are you going to do?
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 9: The Patriots were able to do it that way because
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 9: they had a can-do quarterback that made everyone better, including
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 9: the defense, because the defense wasn't on the field that long.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 9: So they were able to do things the slow, methodical way.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 9: This is not the team. This is not those Patriots.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 9: And how did it work out for the Eagles going
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 9: ahead and just getting the best player when you can
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 9: get him?
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, it worked out extremely well for the Eagles
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: doing it the way they did it. And you can
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: do it extremely well. The Steelers drafted well.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: They were always winning.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams that the Ravens always drafted well.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: The Eagles went to three Super Bowls in like eight years. Like,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: what are we talking about?
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's different ways to do it. As long as
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: what you're doing, you do it well, you can succeed.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: You just have to do well at your method, at
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: your philosophy. You know, I don't think there's any one way.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 9: So why are these guys so stuck on the idea that, oh,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 9: you can't do it?
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't say you can't do it.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 9: You don't want to have no pick.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't say they can't make a trade, Christian. Don't
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: put words in my mouth. Because I'm not interested in
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Josh Downs means that I think that they shouldn't make
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: any trades? I didn't say that.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 9: Because you stood on that you shouldn't do that because
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 9: you won't have a middle class and all this stuff.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: Well, Christian, stop for a second and listen. Quentin Nelson
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: is a guy that a lot of people wanted. I
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: don't think it makes a lot of sense to devote
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: that many resources to one position.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 9: How many players in the upcoming draft are better than him?
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 9: How many players in the first?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with the draft. I don't
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: think you need to spend multiple millions of dollars on guards.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: They have four guards already on the roster that are
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: kind of expensive. I don't want to add a fifth.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: That's all. I think you could use your resources in
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: a better way.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: It's the particular player.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: It's the particular position.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Position player.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks, Christian.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 6: Like, It's okay.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: I say a lot of dumb things. I get myself
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: in enough trouble. I don't need guys that are pseudo-intellects
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: putting words in my mouth that don't accurately portray what
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about. I didn't say I wouldn't give a
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: third-round pick for Quentin Nelson because I don't think he's
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: worth a third-round pick. That's not what I said. But
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: you're paying $ 16 million to Michael Wenyu. You're paying how
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: many million? $ 14 million for Vera Tucker? As an 11-year veteran,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: Greg Van Roten makes a good amount of money for
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: a backup. That's an expensive backup. Same with Matt Pryor.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Now I'm going to add Quentin Nelson to that mix.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to have five guards that are making,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: three of them are going to be making over $ 10
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: million a year. It's not because I don't think Quentin
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Nelson's worth a third-round pick. Of course he's worth a
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: third-round pick. You're not going to get a third-round pick
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: better than him. I just don't think that that's a
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: great way to use your resources. That was a whole
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: separate conversation that Mike and Evan and I were having
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: yesterday about down the road, you're going to find some
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: value in some of those third-round picks. And if you don't,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: you're going to be stuck. Christian's right about that. If
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: you don't start hitting on some of these picks, you're
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: going to be in trouble. But where are they going
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: to get the replacements for these guys? In other words,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: is Quentin Nelson going to make you a Super Bowl team?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: He could help.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Do you think you're a guard away from that? I
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: don't think any team has ever said that in the
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: history of football. We're a guard away from being a
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl team. Now, you want to tell me that
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: he would help your team? Of course he would. Like,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor would help you, too. Do you want to
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: get him? Yeah.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: You do? I would take him, but I'm not going
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: to give up two first-round picks for him.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, so then you don't want him.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: I want him, but I can't afford him.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: No, you're like a Yahoo Patriots fan. You want him.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: You just want the other team to give him to you.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: You don't want to give up anything for him. Right.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: Those guys cost stuff.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: I'd give him a third.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: Or a player that you don't need for the current team.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd definitely do that.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: They can look at our practice squad and take anyone
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: they want. All of them.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: If I can get Jonathan Taylor for nothing, I'll take
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: him too. Otherwise, I don't want him. I don't think
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: adding a running back is going to tip the scales
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: Good stuff, Paul. I wanted to go back to Christian's... Oh,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: thank you. Go back to his question about A.J.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: Brown, and I was just going to say I'd like
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: to see something from him this weekend. Like, if you're
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: not going to do anything against this Dolphins team, I
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: think you are going to see something from him this weekend.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 6: I hope it's a good play.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: So my point is just this, and suddenly Christian's the
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: only one that's saying this.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: If you don't get more out of him, it's a
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: bad trade. Like, somehow he thinks we're afraid to say
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: that it's a bad trade. I didn't love the trade
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: when they made it. I would have made it. I
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: thought they gave up a lot for him. I understand
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: why they made the trade, and I would have done
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: the same thing. But I didn't love it. I liked it.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: There's a difference. So far, you've gotten nothing out of
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: that trade. It's been a disaster. Through seven weeks of
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: the season, that trade has been a disaster. Like, I
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: know he's the only one that's willing to say that. Like,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: how many weeks are we going to go before we did? No, no, no.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: He's done nothing.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: He's done nothing.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: But I'm still hopeful that he will do something. Yeah.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: That's because you're a homer, Fred.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Like you don't have any objectivity.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I'm hopeful.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: I'm pleasantly surprised he's even back yet. Honestly.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: He shouldn't be. Clearly that was a mistake. They rushed
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: him back because clearly he's not ready to be out there.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: The hope for me is that when you get into
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: this stretch of games, Bills, Vikings, Chiefs, and the Broncos maybe,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: that that's when you have a real A.J.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: Brown like you were expecting.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you something.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Those are the games.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: Not to play Christian's side of the street. What do
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: you expect?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: Two and two. Not you.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: What do you expect from A.J. Brown? Because you just
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: said that you think he's going to have a big
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: week this week.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: So what do you expect when he gets to those?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Because by the time we get to that stage of
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: the season, he ain't going to be in better shape
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: than he is now. He's going to be in worse
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: shape than he is now. So I'm kind of with Christian.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: I'm really concerned about A.J. Brown for the entirety of
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: the season.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: That's one way to look at it.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, you could say he's This is it. I'm
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: hopeful that at least this weekend he gets a little something.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: What am I expecting? I'm expecting him to be the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: player that he looked like this summer. Is that too much?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't think he's healthy.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: It's fair, but that's what the expectation is.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: He might catch a bunch of passes. I don't think
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: he's going to look like the guy who was running
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: around in the summer because I don't think he'll be 100%.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: And I think in the summer he was 100%. So
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: I don't have much faith that he's going to be
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: running around like that.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 6: So then you think it's lost? You think all is lost?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Lost? No. I think he could have made some plays
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: in the game Thursday night. I think there was a
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: chance that he could have made more plays, but did
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: he look like that explosive guy that we saw in
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: the summer? No, no, no question. I mean, he looked
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: better in the first game.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: He looked better when he had the drops.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, I guess maybe this is more realistic to
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: hope that. mac hollins and romeo dobbs come back and
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: that it isn't aj brown being a number one receiver
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: but all of them are involved and he is a
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: good part of it and solid but maybe you're right
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: you know expecting him to be a number one receiver
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: again this season maybe that is uh that that's gone.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe i just think that there's a chance that he
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: could make more plays like i think he could have
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: caught that deep ball yeah um you know that the
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: guy ended up He might have been past interference. He
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: kind of got the hand in a little early. I
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: actually thought it was a good no-call because it was
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: close enough and he did hit the ball. I think A.J.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Brown could have caught that ball. And, you know, I
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: don't think that means he's any more healthy than he is.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: But he might have been able to catch that ball.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: I think he could make more plays against Miami. I
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: just don't think you're going to see vintage A.J.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 6: Brown.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: I know you think the Patriots are going to win
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: big this weekend, so do you think that happens with
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: just kind of a 2-3 catch A.J.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 6: Brown performance?
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know that some of the yards were
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: a little deceiving against Chicago because of those two end-of-the-half
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: drives kind of make it look better, but Miami can't
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: stop anybody. I'd be very surprised if Drake May doesn't
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: have another big game. Whether that's A.J. Brown or not.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: Let's just do some quick calls because we have to
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: do picks. Real quick. Eldred in North Carolina. Hey, what up, Alex?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: What's up, fellas?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: How y'all?
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 8: Good.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Hey, Paul.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 10: I kind of disagree with you, buddy.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: That's okay. Just make sure it's something that I said.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, no.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 10: I'm talking about A.J. Love you, man.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Love A.J.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: Too.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 10: But he come off the high ankle. I think they
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 10: rushed him back two turns soon. And he's 30. So
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 10: I'm thinking he might give you a little bit better
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 10: this week. But they should have left him.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 8: Out, man.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: That's what Paul said.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: That's what I said. I think they made a mistake
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: bringing him back.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: But he thinks he's going to be good.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I– He'll be better. I just don't know
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: if he'll be vintage A.J.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: Brown.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I got to agree with Christian a little bit.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 10: I gave the first– for P.T.J. than I would for A.J.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 10: because he's 25 and he can work with Drake May.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 10: He's younger and he's fresh. And he is a deep threat.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 10: I would have did that before I did it with A.J.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 10: Even though I love A.J. Brown, I wanted him to
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 10: after D.K., but like I said, it's just the injury stuff.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 10: And he might get a little bit better, but I'm
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 10: with Graves also. We injured. So I ain't penciling no wind.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 10: It's going to be a rock fight to see everybody
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 10: get healthy.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: That's the way I look at it.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Eldridge. If this is a rock fight, then something.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: This is like the Josh Uche thing. If this is
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: a rock fight, something happened that's not good. Yeah.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Oliver's in Australia. What's up, Oliver?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: Oh, hello.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 19: I just thought I'd ring in. It's 3 a.m. in
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 19: the morning, so I'm just playing an all-nighter at the moment.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 19: I've got two things for you guys at the moment.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 19: So last week we were talking about jerseys and stuff.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 19: I've got a really fun jersey for you guys. So
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 19: it's a Super Bowl 52 jersey with Julian Edelman on
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 19: the back. So it's fun for two reasons. One, because
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 19: we lost that Super Bowl. And number two, because Julian
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 19: Edelman was injured that season. So, no, it's a bit
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 19: of a bad omen. I wore it watching the last
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 19: Super Bowl, so that might have been the reason they lost.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 19: The second one was that I was watching the Seattle
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 19: game and I was watching the last game and I
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 19: was thinking that drive that Jake May did when he
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 19: threw the interception, the drive was really clean up until
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 19: the point where he threw the pick. And I thought
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 19: that was the same with a lot of the picks
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 19: he threw against Seattle in week one. Is that a
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 19: bit of a concern? You know, he gets that far
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 19: down the field and then, like, well, the drive, like,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 19: up until that point was really clean.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 9: The game's on the line.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 19: And then he kind of throws a bit of a,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 19: I don't want to say a meatball because I don't
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 19: want to repeat all the media, but, well, it was
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 19: a meatball.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: Okay. It is a concern, sure. Interceptions are a concern.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. But the more he gets into those situations,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: you hope the better he gets at making those decisions.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: All right, Oliver, we got to go. But thanks for
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: calling us at 3 in the morning with that. Respect. Yep, respect.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: Eddie in New York. Eddie. Eddie in New York.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, Eddie.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 8: Eddie. Hey guys, how are you?
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 14: Two questions really quick.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 8: Actually, two questions and I'll make it quick, I promise. One,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 8: with the offensive line holding up reasonably well, you know,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 8: with all the injuries and all the stuff. One, do
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 8: we keep Drake May in the shotgun?
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 9: Because obviously we.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 8: Got to give receivers a little bit more time to
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 8: get open. Number two, Matt Collins' injury update. What's the
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 8: latest on him? And three, Fred, I really love that
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 8: pullover sweater. Hopefully it's online and I can find it somewhere.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: I think it might be a Pro Shop exclusive, but
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 8: Thank you, guys.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 6: Brian Thomas has nine catches. That's crazy.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: He's completely out of... He doesn't play.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: Why don't they trade him? I mean, that just seems
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: like we don't even need him. I think they're going to. Obviously,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: people are clamoring for him.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 6: I don't know what the NFL is.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've been a big Brian Thomas guy, but
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why it doesn't work on one of
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: the best teams in the AFC.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: Get rid of him, re-sign Parker Washington, or maybe get
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 6: a pick.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Matt Collins?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Update?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 6: Eligible next week.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: He's been around. I don't know what that means, but
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: it's a good sign he's not. interaction or anything.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: He's eligible to start practicing.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, next week.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. And then, did he have another question?
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: No? All right.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: And then finally, one more email.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: I think they haven't been as productive under center, so
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: I think that's why they've seen so much shotgun.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: Just one more email. Al from Wisconsin. If someone is
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: drinking black coffee at 7 p.m. to try to stay
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: up late, they aren't a real coffee head. I only
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: drink coffee black, and I could have a cup at
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: 7 and be asleep by 8. Well, yeah, you have
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: to be a real coffee head to do that. All right.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: We've got to hurry.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 6: Oh, geez. We've really got to hurry.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know how we're going to make it.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: That time of the week. Matt. Yeah. So at the
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: bottom of the pile this week was Mike and Evan
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: at 7-7. Wow. Alex, a little bit better at 8-6. Fred,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: good job by you.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: I got that Cincinnati game right.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I know.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: He gave us credit for that.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: I know, but I got it right to begin with.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: You get a win. Everybody got a win.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: He gave himself and Fred credit.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: So I got screwed by the Eagles last week.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: That might be the case. Screwed by not getting head
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: this week. That might be the case, but I think
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: we all would have taken Cincinnati.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: Did Fred and I get that Eagles game back when
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Hurts went down?
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: I was not on that show, so we can neither
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: confirm nor deny. Fred, 9-5. Good job by you, Representative.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: Paul went 11-3.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: 11-3.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Wow. With the spread, the bottom is Mike at 5-8-1,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: followed by Evan at 6-7-1. We'll get back to that
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: in a minute.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: Oh, we're tied.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: Because that means something. Alex and Fred, good job by
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: you guys.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 12: 8-5-1.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Paul, 9-4-1. What are you doing? The season standings as follows. Paul, 74-32-1,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: followed by Alex at 62-44-1, because as we know, she
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: don't take no crap from no one.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: Valkyrie.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Valkyrie! Fred, 59-47-1.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: Mike, 58-48-1.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: And Evan, 56-50-1. That's getting tight.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 13: Toys.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: With the spread, Paul is 64-41-2.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: He could be retired.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: Retired.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 13: Alex, 48-57-2.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: Fred, 47-58-2.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: And a tie in the basement.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: Poop emoji for Mike and Evan at 43-62-2.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: That's just poor to me. Things are getting interesting.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: Ready to go.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: All right, we got to get going. Tonight, Thursday night,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: it's Carolina 3-3 at Green Bay 4-3.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Green Bay by three and a half. Mike, your Panthers
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: did not play very well.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: They did not play well last weekend.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Shaking my faith.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: Even the loss, I thought the Packers continued to show
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: a little bit. I'm going to take Green Bay at home,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: but I'm going to lay the points.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: Go Pack, go.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: So I'm definitely taking the Packers to win. I'll lay
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: the points, too. I'm tempted to take the hook, but
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to. Thursday night, I'll just stick with
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: the home team.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a crossroads for the Panthers. They were
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: showing some life. They were showing they were a decent team.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: They completely got killed by Tampa Bay last week. So
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: are they going to bounce back? Are they going to
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: show some life? I don't think so. I think Green
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: Bay wins this game and covers, so. They'll play better,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: but they're going to lose. Sunday at 1, big game. Baltimore,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: 4-3 at Buffalo, 5-1.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: Really need Baltimore in this one for the Patriots. The
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: Bills by 3. And it seems as if LaMarvelous is back.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: He was a full participant for the first time since
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: the injury yesterday.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not relying on you guys.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: I'm not hot on Baltimore right now. I'm going to
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: go with Buffalo.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: At home.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: Uh, but I'm going to take the hook. I think
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 6: it's a close one.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: No hook. Just a three.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 7: Sorry.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: I'll do the same.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: All right. I, for some reason, Buffalo seems to have
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: Baltimore's number. Um, and I'm going to say that that
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: continues Buffalo.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: I'd love to pick Baltimore here. I just don't see
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: them beating Buffalo right now. Um, so I'm picking Buffalo
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: and to cover, uh sunday at one tennessee one and
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: six at cincinnati four and two bengals by 10 and.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: No jeffrey simmons you know no jeffrey simmons uh i'll.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: Take cincy um and i'm gonna lay the i'm gonna
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: lay the 10 points i think tennessee might crawl into
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: a hole.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: Yep A lot of points.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: Do it.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: But it's Tennessee.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 8: I know.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: On the road.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: All right. I'll take the Bengals both ways.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it, too. I hate doing it, but
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: I got to do it. Sunday at 1, Arizona 2-5
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: at Dallas 3-4.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: Cowboys back in the Super Bowl picture after their big
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: win Monday night. Cowboys by 7. I was being sarcastic.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 6: I sense that.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: I sense that.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: I'm going to take DeLoss, and I'll lay the 7s.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: You take Dallas?
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: Dallas.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: Cowboys, Cowboys. I'm going to take Dallas, but I do
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: not trust the Cowboys, so I will take the points.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a pay-in game. So I go to
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: the window and I buy a couple points. Oh, you're
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: not allowed to do that in this show. No, if
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: I could do that, I would pick Arizona both ways. Otherwise,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: pick in Dallas, but I'm taking those points. So this
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: would be a game where I.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: So Dallas and then you have Arizona to cover. Is
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: that what you took? Dallas to win, Arizona to cover?
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Dallas wins.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: But they don't win by seven.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: Okay. So they don't cover. But if I could buy
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: two points, I'd do it. But I can't.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: No. Not on this show.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Sunday at 1, Minnesota 6-0 at Detroit 4-2.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: Lions by three.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 14: Three.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's disrespect, Paul.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 12: Come on.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: For the Lions?
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: For Minnesota. Oh.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: It's kind of a funny matchup where Detroit's defense stinks
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: and Minnesota's offense.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know you like Kyler coming on a
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: little bit.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: Not last week.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: Not last week, but I'm going to go with Detroit
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: at home. Minnesota's got to lose at some point.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: That's how I feel, too. This feels like a good
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: spot to lose your first game on the road to Detroit.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: It's Two and a half?
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 14: Three?
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: Three.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: Detroit, lay it.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take Detroit as well. I just think they
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: will have enough plays to beat the Blitz, and unless
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: the Vikings suddenly find an offense, I don't think they
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: keep up in Detroit.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: You said Minnesota's favored by three?
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: Detroit by three.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: Right. Disrespect. So I'll take Detroit, but I will take
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: the points. Okay.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: What's up? It's a narrow thread-the-needle game. It is a
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: thread-the-needle game. The definition of the thread-the-needle game right there.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: Sunday at 1, Indianapolis 2-5 against Jacksonville 4-2.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville by 10.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: Are we all taking Jacksonville here?
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 6: I'm going to take Jacksonville. I'm going to take the
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 6: points for the Colts, though.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Division game.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 6: I'm going to spin the dial a little bit on
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 6: that one.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: I wanted to do that, too. Now I have pause because.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: Because Deuce is in last place.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: I'm doing a little too much of the same.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 6: Picks as Deuce. I'm convinced that's just what you guys do.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 6: You just sit there and listen to.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: What I pick, and you're like, I'm doing the opposite.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: It is a disadvantage to go first.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: It is.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: Remember, Andy used to whine about.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 6: That all the time. Andy left, and you're in your
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 6: first up.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: Split it.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: I think, and then we reversed it, and he still
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: did bad.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm going to be with the panel here. I'll
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: take Jacksonville. If I'm not mistaken, is there a Jacksonville
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: indie thing? Someone owns the other.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 6: I don't know that off the top of my head.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Obviously. I'm going to take.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: That's what we rely on you for.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 8: I know.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: You know what? Never mind. I'm going to just take
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville both ways.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Smart move, Paul. That's the way to go. That's the play.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: Sunday at one.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: How much upheaval?
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: The Raiders, three and four at the New Jersey Jets,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: two and five.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: The Jets by one and a half.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 13: Oh, God.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: That is disrespect for the Raiders.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 6: Yuck, yuck, yuck.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: They're both terrible teams.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: They're both terrible.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: But the Jets just lost to the Dolphins.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so?
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: At home.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: And they're thinking of firing their coach.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: So?
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go with Vegas.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: I know that they're having some questions about Kirk Cousins
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: and all that.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 6: When's it time to switch? But I'll go with Vegas.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 6: I just can't go with the Jets after last week.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Me neither. Me neither.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: So this is where I go a little game theory, Freddie.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: Jets. Yeah.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: That's how you separate.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: That's how you do the.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: We know.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: We know. No.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: And Paul's right.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: Jets win this game.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: After the week or.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: Paul is right. The Jets are going to come out firing.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: They played really, really badly last week.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: They're going to come out firing.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 6: But is this like the thing with Geno Smith where
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 6: he looks confident?
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought he played okay last week. The rest
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: of the team, the defense and everyone.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 6: Omar Cooper I like, but I don't know.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: I always feel like I've fallen for this before with
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: Geno Smith, and then he kind of falls off.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 6: So I know maybe it hasn't started yet, but I
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 6: think it's going.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Sunday at 1, Cleveland 5-2 at Pittsburgh 5-2. Pittsburgh by 3.5.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 13: Hmm.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: This is a tough one.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Steelers keep winning. I know.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: Pisses me off. Ah, shoot.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go with the upset. I'm going to
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 6: go with Cleveland.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Cleveland.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: I don't like to pick against Pittsburgh at home.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: Both ways? It's three and a half.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: Three and a half. Why not?
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: I am going to split it. I will take the
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: Steelers to win at home and avenge their early season
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: loss in Cleveland, but I'll take the hook.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: I will take Pittsburgh both ways. All right. Sunday at 1,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Atlanta 3-4 at Tampa Bay 2-5.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay by 2.5. Wow.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 6: What happened last week with them? Did they just suddenly
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: figure it out?
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield played great.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: He just handed the ball off and watched the defense
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: turn the ball over and give the ball to the
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: offense in good spots. They had like five pass attempts
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: in the third quarter or something like that.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know, division game, there's some talent on each team,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: but I'm going to go just with the home team.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: I'll lay the point. Tampa.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: Tampa, Tampa.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: So this is my dumb pick of the week. I'm
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: going to take Atlanta. I feel like the Falcons are
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: the best team in that division, and they're starting to
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: show it. Now they could have an enormous letdown after
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: beating the Niners last week, but we all know who
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: had the Niners to lose last week. If you want
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: to look, you can see at the top of the standings.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 6: He's getting annoyed.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: Tooting his own horn.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: It's very annoying.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: Kind of rude.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I'm going to go with Atlanta as well. Baker Mayfield,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: I always say the league is better with him in it.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Now I think the league is, it doesn't matter whether he's.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: In it or not.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: It's good or it's bad. He's kind of wearing out.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: You're a very smart man, though. You understand how to
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: start winning games.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 6: Wish I could figure it out.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: You can interpret that by just doing what I do.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: I just like how you get mad when I pick
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: the game that you're going to pick. Right.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: Because I need to catch up.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I don't know what you're going to pick.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Still bothers me.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 6: That's why he's exasperated.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Now we move to Sunday, 4-0-5. The Chargers, 0-6 at
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: the Rams, 3-4.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: Even though the Lack and the Lar both play at SoFi,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: the Lar is the home team in this battle by 6-1-2.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: Whenever a road team goes to SoFi, the road team's
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: fans take over. So does that mean no one's going
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: to be in the.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 6: Stands this game?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: Fred, I have the same exact thought.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 6: It'll be a lot of fights.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: Will this game be, like, sparsely attended?
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: Shoot, man.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 5: I just don't know how you can pick the Chargers
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: right now. I'm going to go with the Rams, and
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: I'm going to actually lay the points, too.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to take the Rams, but I'll split it.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, I'm with Mike. I just need to see
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: something from the Chargers before I start to pick them
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: in anything. I'll take the Lauer both ways. Not that
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: the Lauer had been any great shakes this year.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: What's the spread?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: Six and a half.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: I'll take the Rams, but I'll take the points. Why not?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: Why not?
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  Speaker 1: All right. Sunday, 425. Guess who's playing at home? Denver
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: at home, 5-2, hosting the Chiefs, 5-1.
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  Speaker 2: So the Broncos are the other... team that's a home underdog.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: Kansas City by one and a half.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about disrespect.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 6: Kansas City. Yeah, well, I'm going to go with Kansas City.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 6: I'm going to bounce back after that loss to Seattle.
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  Speaker 6: Play the point.
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  Speaker 3: Kansas City lost last week?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I watched no football.
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  Speaker 2: Hammered by Seattle.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 6: Hmm.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: Kansas City.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I will take Denver at home. So win the game. Really?
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I feel like now every time Paul picks, I'm like,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 6: that's what I should have done.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: Obviously.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 6: Why didn't you do that?
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 12: Why?
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: I think Denver's better.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to pick the Chiefs.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: So, there.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: You guys have history on your side. I mean, they
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: played earlier in the year in Kansas City, hammered them.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: But I think Denver remembers that. Yeah.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: All right. Now we skip over the Patriots and we
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: go to Sunday night, 820. The Eagles, 2-5 against the Commanders, 1-4-1.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: What do you think the spread is in this game?
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia at Washington. Two struggling teams.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: Washington by five.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Good guess.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: Six.
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  Speaker 8: Six.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I was a little thrown by that spread. Really? Yeah.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: That was a lot of points for a bad team
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: to be favored by. It is. Yeah, but Philly's reeling.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: No, I know.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to take Washington. I'll take the points for Philly, though.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: I'll go Commanders, Commanders.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Again, I'm going to Forfeit myself a pick. I'm going
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: to be with Mike and take Washington, but I will
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: take the points.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm going to do. Washington and the points.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: Two bad teams.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: Too many matching Mike's picks.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: Monday night.
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  Speaker 6: You have a cautionary tale now.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: Cautionary tale.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: It's scary territory to be in.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: I like that phrase.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: Monday night, 8-15, Chicago 5-2 against Seattle 4-3. NFC Conference
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: Championship preview, maybe?
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: So, Seattle by three. Do you think Jeffrey Simmons would
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: have enough time to play in this game?
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: Thursday?
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: Probably maybe, well, I guess you could get the extra
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: day with Monday so you have a practice day on
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: Friday and Saturday. Saturday.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 6: You'll figure it out. He's too good. It's a big game.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: It's national TV. I don't think you're going to be like, sorry, Jeffrey,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: not this week. You traded two first-rounders for me?
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 6: I don't know how much.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: It's not like he needs to know the whole system.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 6: He's defensive.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: Just go get that guy.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 6: Go beat up, what's his face?
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: Seattle by three.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 6: This is a great game. I'm excited to watch that one.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: I'm going to just. I mean, Seattle's defense is really good.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: I'm just struggling.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 6: Caleb Williams looked really good. I'd love to see somebody
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 6: be able to solve that Seattle defense. I don't trust
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 6: Sam Darnold. I'm going to go with Seattle at home.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: Me too.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will take Seattle as well. I do like Chicago.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: I think they're a good team. I don't think they're
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: a fluke. And I don't think this, before you start,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: I don't think this has anything to do with the
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: fact that they beat the Patriots the last game. I
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: just think Seattle at home is a different animal. I'll
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: take Seattle.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 6: It's the 12s. Yeah.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take Seattle too. I have a lot
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: of respect for McDonald and his defense. And I think
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: they'll have something, you know, dialed up for Caleb Williams.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: And I think Seattle wins. But I think it's going
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: A good game. I think it should be a good game.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: This is a good matchup for Monday night.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: I wish it wasn't a Monday night. Yeah. But it
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: should be a good game. The only teams that seem
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: to play well in Seattle are the division teams. Yeah.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: And it's... They're a little bit more accustomed to it. Yep. Yeah.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to go with Seattle there. All right.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: Now we can move back to the Patriots for 25
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: on Sunday. And you like the way I navigated us through.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: So we have time for this game.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: Just so you know, we only have nine minutes for
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: this pick. So the Patriots are favored by seven points,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: making the dolphins and the Broncos, the two road underdogs
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: this week.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I feel like we've done about eight
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 6: minutes of analysis on the game all week.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go with the Patriots. I'm a little
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: bit shook earlier in the week, but I think they
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: win pretty convincingly in this one. I like Drake May.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: I'd love to see A.J. Brown just get involved and
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 5: maybe have a game that you can build a little
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 5: bit off of, maybe get to run the ball a
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 5: tiny bit.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 6: I just struggle with what we talked about yesterday. It's
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 6: like how much do you truly believe coming out of
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 6: this game? Is there anything that you can really say?
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 6: When I pick something to build off of.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: You have to listen to the post-game show. You'll find
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: out how much we truly believe and what takeaways we have.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: And the whole segment of what to build off of,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: that'll be an interesting one to conjure up after this game.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 6: So hopefully they click it on all cylinders. I'm going
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 6: to do Patriots 28-10. Patriots 30, Dolphins 9.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: 30-9.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 6: Three field goals. That's it.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see it similar, 30 to 13.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're all around the same.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: I don't see the Dolphins stopping the Patriots, and I
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: don't see the Dolphins having enough firepower to keep up.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we all feel that way, yet the
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: Sharps only give this a seven-point spread. Are they trying
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: to get New England money? Are New England fans keeping
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: their wallets in their pockets?
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: Are we being baited?
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: You know, what's going on?
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: I think seven-point road favorite is pretty big, especially in
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: a division game. I think that's a pretty big spread.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: When was the last time the Patriots were favored?
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: I know, but you're all.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: More than a touchdown in Miami.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: Everybody here is predicting a blowout.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't mean I'm right.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: No, I know, but it seems to be unanimous on
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: the board, and yet it's only a seven-point spread.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: We are also all homers.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: No, but look at the record, right?
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: Whose record do you want to look at?
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: Look at your record, and you're predicting a blowout. Alex
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: has a good record. She's predicting a blowout.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 6: Deuce has a terrible record. He's predicting a blowout.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean... So what's going on here? Are New
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: England fans a little bit hesitant betting on the Patriots
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: this year? I don't know, Fred.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: Perhaps.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: You have to look at this, Paul. You have to
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: look at this, Paul.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: So are you taking the points? What? Are you taking
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: the points?
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: Taking the points.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're taking the points. I mean, you seem to
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: be very concerned that everybody has a blowout and the
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: spread hasn't moved. So clearly you're going to take the points.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for this spread to move a little bit
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: as we get closer to the game.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: Okay. It's Thursday.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to get wider.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: I believe it's moved the other direction. I think it
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: opened at 7.5.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 6: Going down now.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's good.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's down to 7.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: When did it move?
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it moved or not.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: Did it have to do with A.J. Brown on the
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: participation report?
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: No, I have a question about that, but I think
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: I'll leave that one to you.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take New England both ways. They're going
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: to cover. And your scores are about what I was
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: going to say, but I'll up it a little bit.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 9: 34-10.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: 34-10. Week 18 of 2021, Patford favored minus 6.5 against Miami.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: That was the last big number.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 6: Week 18 of 2021.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: It was probably like.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 5: Subs and COVID guys and Patriots streak.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 6: Patriots probably coming off that Jacksonville game where they destroyed.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: And what was the outcome of that game?
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 6: We don't know. Nobody knows.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: They never played it. They canceled it.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 6: They canceled it.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: Fell into the Bermuda Triangle.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: 17-16.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: Holy crap. Who won? Miami.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: I have no recollection of this game at all.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 6: Did he say 2001? What?
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: 21.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: I got the wrong spot. Miami won.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 11: 17-16?
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: I don't recall the game.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 6: 21. I'm efforting that.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: COVID was a blur.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 13: 33-24.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: They lost. And that was, they came off the, yeah,
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 5: they beat Jacksonville 50-10. And then let's see, what happened?
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 5: Jalen Waddell, seven-yard touchdown.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: 33-24.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: There was a fourth-down touchdown, I want to say, in
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: that game.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 6: Jason Sanders, 30-yard field, 17-0. Brandon Bolden gets a 17-7.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: They just can't catch up. Had a few plays.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: This is 2021? Yep.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 5: Mack Jones, Brandon Bolden. Brandon Bolden had two touchdowns. I
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 5: don't really have much memory.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: Of this game at all.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: There's a gap in your knowledge that year.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: Well, the more recent it is, the less I know.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: That's what I'll question. The first thing that goes.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: And the COVID brain fog.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: You ain't lying, Fred. I'm concerned about it. I lose
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: my keys constantly.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: So, Patriots fans, if you are thinking of laying some
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: dough on this game, do it now because I think
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: that spread's going to go up between now and Sunday,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: just so you know.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: We'll keep an eye on it.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: Got to hurry.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: All right. That's going to be it for this edition
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: of Patriots Unfiltered. We really finished with a bang.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: We all like the Patriots. It's kind of like Mike said.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: We spent like 10 minutes talking about the game all week.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: 425 game. Patriots are now in that stretch of non-one
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: o'clock game. What time does the pregame show start?
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: Three to four.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: Three to four.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: Three to four.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: So you're going to have a big 25-minute gap before
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: Okay. All right.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: And then you've got the postgame show right afterwards.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 6: And that's it.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: Tune in for that, and we will see you next Tuesday.
• 1:56:55
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• 1:57:07
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