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Sharri | 11 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry Good Evening. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the show, and let's start with tonight's major breaking news.
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Speaker 1: Angus Taylor has declared his candidacy for leader of the
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Speaker 1: Liberal Party. He says it needs strong leadership, clear direction
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Speaker 1: and a courageous focus on Australian values. On the show tonight,
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Speaker 1: you'll hear what the shadow cabinet thinks, with senior Liberals
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Speaker 1: coming on to give their view just in a namba.
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Speaker 1: Jimber Price will join me in a moment also Front
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Speaker 1: bencher Andrew Wallace. Angus Taylor tonight said that the Coalition
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Speaker 1: needs to protect our way of life and hold the
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Speaker 1: Albanezy government to account. He pointed out the Liberal Party
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Speaker 1: is at its worst position in the polls.
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Speaker 2: The Liberal Party is at the worst position it has
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Speaker 2: been since nineteen forty four when the party was formed.
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Speaker 2: That is a confronting reality and we cannot ignore it.
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Speaker 1: Angus Taylor called his press conference at around Cottapas seven
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Speaker 1: this evening, and just before his statement declaring his leadership ambitions,
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Speaker 1: Taylor went to see Opposition leader Susan Lee. He told
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Speaker 1: her he was resigning from the front bench. It's a
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Speaker 1: move that had been broadly forecast today.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe Susan Lee is in a position to
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Speaker 2: be able to lead the party as it needs to
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Speaker 2: be led from him. Just a few moments ago attended
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Speaker 2: my resignation. I will continue to serve the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 1: Angus Taylor chose his timing carefully. He explained that he
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Speaker 1: didn't want to interrupt the visitor of Israeli President Isaac Hertzog,
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Speaker 1: and he allowed that to conclude before calling his press
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Speaker 1: conference and declaring his leadership ambitions tonight. The Liberal Party
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Speaker 1: room will likely be held in the next two days.
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Speaker 1: Now many are critical of Angus Taylor. They're skeptical he
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Speaker 1: has what it takes, but something had to give. The
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Speaker 1: reality is the coalition couldn't continue the way it's been
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Speaker 1: going under Susan Lee.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: Susan Lee is a very lovely person, and she did
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Speaker 1: a terrific job in the wake of the Bondi terror attack.
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Speaker 1: She stood side by side with the Jewish community. She
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Speaker 1: attended funerals, and she sat with families as they mowed.
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Speaker 1: She was at Bondi every day I saw her. She
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Speaker 1: couldn't have done more, but everyone knows. Everyone can see it.
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Speaker 1: The coalition is sinking under her leadership. There had to
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Speaker 1: be a change. It was simply a matter of time.
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Speaker 1: Now is Angus Taylor the answer? Can he lift the
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Speaker 1: coalition's political fortunes? Only time will tell. But tonight we
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Speaker 1: saw that at length he spoke about Australian values.
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Speaker 2: We need strong leadership, clear direction and a relentless and
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Speaker 2: courageous focus on our values as a first priority. We
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Speaker 2: need to protect Australian's way of life. We need to
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Speaker 2: focus on restoring their standard of living.
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Speaker 1: And he said he's aiming to restore confidence in the
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Speaker 1: Liberal Party. And we know that the Australian public has
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Speaker 1: utterly lost confidence in the Federal Liberal Party in the coalition.
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Speaker 1: Now we also know that Angus Taylor does have firm
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Speaker 1: conservative backers like former Prime Minister Tony Abbott. But this
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Speaker 1: leadership change is likely because the polling for the coalition
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Speaker 1: has been disastrous. One Nation is topping the primary vote
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Speaker 1: with working class voters at thirty four percent. I mean,
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Speaker 1: a thirty four percent primary for one nation is utterly extraordinary.
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Speaker 1: It's a minor party. One Nation is even ahead of
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Speaker 1: Labour and miles ahead of the Coalition. According to today's
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Speaker 1: sky News Pulse poll. This poll also has poll Enhancien's
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Speaker 1: party sitting close to Labour nationally at twenty eight percent
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Speaker 1: compared to Labour's thirty percent. And then you just have
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Speaker 1: to look at the coalition's primary which is only nineteen percent. Look,
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Speaker 1: with polls like this, a leadership change is inevitable. It
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Speaker 1: simply has to happen. It's been nine months now since
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Speaker 1: the federal election in May last year. It was the
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Speaker 1: coalition's worst ever result, Albanezi swept in in a landslide.
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Speaker 1: And yet now the coalition's polls, their fortunes have crashed
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Speaker 1: even further. Nine months on, they haven't improved, And you
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Speaker 1: have to look at the political climate. This is despite
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Speaker 1: and interest rate rise last week, the first interest rate
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Speaker 1: rise in three years. This is despite a terror attack
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Speaker 1: happening under Albanese's watch, after the Prime minister personally ignored
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Speaker 1: warnings on anti Semitism for over two years. And it's
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Speaker 1: despite the Albanese government's mishandling of energy, a mishandling that's
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Speaker 1: been so severe that power bills have risen. And then
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Speaker 1: there's the numerous broken election promises, too numerous to go
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Speaker 1: into now. So it's in that climate where the Albanese
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Speaker 1: government should be doing really poorly, that the coalition has
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Speaker 1: been unable to make a dent and has only crashed further.
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Speaker 1: All right for reaction now we've got just sent to
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Speaker 1: now Bijember Price standing by. But now let's bring in
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Speaker 1: Shadow Attorney General Andrew Wallace. Andrew, thanks for your time.
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Speaker 1: So let me start with do you support Angus Taylor
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Speaker 1: of Susan Lee as leader of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 4: Well, Shari, I'm the Shadow Attorney General. I've been supportive
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Speaker 4: of Susan Lee since the last election and I will
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Speaker 4: remain supportive of Susan Lee. As you rightly pointed out,
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Speaker 4: Susan Lee has done an incredible job in her support
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Speaker 4: for the Jewish community, not just since Bondi, but all
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Speaker 4: the way back since the seventh of October twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 4: I was at Bondi with her for several days. In fact,
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Speaker 4: I know that you saw us, you spent time with her,
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Speaker 4: but she more importantly, she spent time at the funerals.
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Speaker 4: She spent time with the families, visiting them. No one
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Speaker 4: could fold her the care and attention that she gave
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Speaker 4: to Jewish Australians post BONDI was quite remarkable.
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Speaker 1: What do you say though about the polls that the
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Speaker 1: Coalition according to several polls is at its lowest ever
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Speaker 1: around eighteen or nineteen percent primary one nation far higher.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, Shari, you know, look, you can't sugarcoat those poles.
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Speaker 4: But I think what we see is a great degree
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Speaker 4: of anger towards Anthony Albanesi for all the reasons that
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Speaker 4: you've expressed.
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Speaker 5: You know, people are.
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Speaker 4: Paying twenty three thousand dollars a year after tax more
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Speaker 4: in their mortgage payments on an average home than what
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Speaker 4: they were paying under the Coalition when we were lasting.
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Speaker 4: Government insurance has gone on by forty percent.
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Speaker 1: But even with this anger, they're not going to the coalition,
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Speaker 1: They're not going to your team. So doesn't this mean
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Speaker 1: that there needs to be a leadership change?
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't believe so. I think that we need
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Speaker 4: to give Susan Lee time. I think unfortunately people have
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Speaker 4: been trying to undermine Susan from day one. You know,
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Speaker 4: we need to get back to work, We need to
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Speaker 4: be concentrate time.
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Speaker 1: Should the Australian time Should she have as leader? Before
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Speaker 1: you say all right, it's time to change.
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Speaker 4: Well, it won't surprise you, Shari to learn. I'm not
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Speaker 4: about to give you a date on your program, but
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Speaker 4: to effectively knife the Liberal Party's first female leader in
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Speaker 4: under a year. It's not about, in my view, unacceptable.
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Speaker 1: It's not about jab but.
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Speaker 4: We shouldn't be we shouldn't be knifing the first Liberal
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Speaker 4: woman leader that we have had in under twelve months. Look,
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Speaker 4: there's no doubt that the polls have not been good.
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Speaker 4: But going back to that angered I was talking about
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Speaker 4: earlier that the anger is palpable against the Albanezi government,
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Speaker 4: but I think there's also obviously anger directed in US.
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Speaker 4: We've just had the coalition reform now after the second
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Speaker 4: time in that same period of time. So you know, Look,
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Speaker 4: the anger that many Australians are feeling is understandable on
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Speaker 4: both sides of the fence. We need to provide the
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Speaker 4: Australian people with a unified and strong alternative and if
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Speaker 4: we do that then we'll start to see a kickback
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Speaker 4: in the polls. I'm sure of that.
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Speaker 1: Andrew. Do you know when we can expect the party
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Speaker 1: room meeting, the Liberal Party room meeting where there will
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Speaker 1: likely be this vote.
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Speaker 4: Short answer Shari is, I don't you know, a spill
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Speaker 4: hasn't even been called yet, which is a little surprising.
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Speaker 4: But I suspect and hope that we can get this
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Speaker 4: overdone done as sooner than later. I would like to
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Speaker 4: ensure that it's done before the end of this week.
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Speaker 1: This week, all right, Andrew Willace really appreciate your time,
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, So very clear there, Shadow Attorney General
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Speaker 1: Andrew Wallace will be supporting Susan Lee to remain as leader.
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Speaker 1: And of course Susan Lee promoted him into that position
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Speaker 1: in the Shadow ministry, so he owes her his job.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring you now, Senator just in a NAPAGM for
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Speaker 1: Price Center. Thanks so much for your time. Look, just
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Speaker 1: that question with you, who will you be backing if
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Speaker 1: this does come to a leadership spill this week?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, I don't think it's any secret that I'll
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Speaker 6: be backing Angus Taylor and I will be backing a
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Speaker 6: move for a change of leadership. And as my colleague
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Speaker 6: Senator Hume points it out, if we do not make
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Speaker 6: this change, we will be wiped out at the next
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Speaker 6: federal election. You know, we are in a dire situation
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Speaker 6: as the Liberal Party and if the current polls aren't
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Speaker 6: reason enough for you know, some of my colleagues to
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Speaker 6: realize we need a change of leadership, then we have
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Speaker 6: to look at the fact that we haven't been delivering
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Speaker 6: on policy. In terms of energy policy, we should have
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Speaker 6: come out earlier than what we did. In terms of
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Speaker 6: our position on net zero. Mass immigration is still an
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Speaker 6: issue that is really deeply concerning Australians and we don't
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Speaker 6: have a policy position on that. And while we're talking
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Speaker 6: a big game in terms of economic policy, we don't
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Speaker 6: know where we sit on that either, and you know,
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Speaker 6: rightly so Australians have been pointing out to us that
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Speaker 6: we're not coming across as though we know where we
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Speaker 6: stand on anything. And Australians are screaming, screaming for leadership
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Speaker 6: in Australia in the country right now because of this
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Speaker 6: Dyer Labor government. That's one thing I can definitely agree
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Speaker 6: with my colleague on. But we have failed to land
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Speaker 6: a blow on the Labor government, and we've been handed
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Speaker 6: ample opportunity to be able to land those blows. So
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Speaker 6: you know, we were here elected by the Australian people.
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Speaker 6: The Australian people have been screaming out to us, and
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Speaker 6: we have to start reflecting their needs, answering their calls,
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Speaker 6: and we need a leadership that can take us in
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Speaker 6: that direction. And to me, Angus Taylor provides that direction
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Speaker 6: for us.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll get in a minute to why you think
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Speaker 1: Angus Taylor is the right person why he does provide
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Speaker 1: that direction. But I just want to ask you, if
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Speaker 1: there's a leadership spill of both positions leader and deputy
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Speaker 1: justin you're going to run for deputy Liberal Leader.
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Speaker 6: I don't plan on running as Deputy Liberal Leader. I'm
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Speaker 6: not sure who is if there is anyone prepared to
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Speaker 6: put their hand up for that position. All I know
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Speaker 6: is that when it comes to the top job, I
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Speaker 6: will be backing Angus in all.
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Speaker 1: Right, So why do you think he is the right
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Speaker 1: person to be the next Liberal leader? Why do you
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Speaker 1: think he personally can revive the coalition's fortunes.
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Speaker 6: Look, I believe Angus holds the right values and the experience.
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Speaker 6: I mean, he's a person who has built businesses, he's
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Speaker 6: advised CEOs, he's run a successful family farm. I mean
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Speaker 6: when in his previous roles, he's got a pretty good
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Speaker 6: track record as energy minister. He managed to reduce power
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Speaker 6: prices by nine point five percent in contrast to labor
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Speaker 6: who have increased prices by twelve point five percent. And look,
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Speaker 6: I just think he is a pair of steady hands
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Speaker 6: that we need right now. We've had not had that.
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Speaker 6: We've not had that in the party room. Party room
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Speaker 6: has felt demoralizing, and I'm probably not the only one
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Speaker 6: of my colleagues to have felt that way. In this time,
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Speaker 6: I've felt no sense of inspiration or idea of direction
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Speaker 6: or you know, how we're supposed to work together in
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Speaker 6: a unified way. We've had the coalition split twice twice
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Speaker 6: and it's been less than twelve months. And I believe
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Speaker 6: Angus will have what it takes to ensure that we
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Speaker 6: can strengthen the coalition going forward to benefit austral to
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Speaker 6: demonstrate that we can be we are the alternative government. Especially,
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Speaker 6: you know, there's not that much time between now and
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Speaker 6: another federal election, and we need to get working so
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Speaker 6: we can stop talking about ourselves and start executing the
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Speaker 6: arguments that are as need to hear.
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Speaker 1: Now, clearly the leadership has been a talking point in
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Speaker 1: the coalition for many months. Now, do you think Angus
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Speaker 1: Taylor has the numbers.
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Speaker 6: Look, I'm sure that Angus wouldn't have been submitting his
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Speaker 6: resignation if he didn't believe that he did. I suppose,
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Speaker 6: and you know, I'm looking forward to the next couple
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Speaker 6: of days when this decision can be made and we
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Speaker 6: can all come together as a party in the party
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Speaker 6: room to make this decision.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw some of your colleagues today suggest that
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Speaker 1: there should be a petition with fifty percent plus one,
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Speaker 1: so that's around twenty six names on it before a
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Speaker 1: spill is called. I mean, is this really what's going
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Speaker 1: to happen or do you think there will just be
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Speaker 1: a spill motion at a party room.
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Speaker 6: Look, I think it's unnecessary to have a petition. If
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Speaker 6: the polling isn't suggestive enough, if the dire circumstances aren't
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Speaker 6: suggestive enough, then you know there's something wrong there. But look,
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Speaker 6: I believe that it is likely a spill motion will
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Speaker 6: probably be put forward.
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Speaker 1: All right, Jacenter, now for Jim a price, Thank you
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Speaker 1: very much for your time. Appreciate it. All right, let's
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Speaker 1: stick with this. The news of the night, the breaking news,
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Speaker 1: Angus Taylor has stepped down from shadow cabinet, clearing the
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Speaker 1: way for a leadership spill. He held a press conference
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Speaker 1: around an hour ago declaring his leadership ambitions. He said
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Speaker 1: he'd been to see opposition leader Susan Lee minutes before
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Speaker 1: to hand in his resignation. Let's get more reaction now.
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Speaker 1: Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger joins me, also Sky
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Speaker 1: News's host Johob Rant. Great to see both, Michael. Starting
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Speaker 1: with you, I know that you, like I have, have
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Speaker 1: been a supporter of Susan Lee in recent times, wanted
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Speaker 1: her to do well. But you just have to look
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Speaker 1: at all of the polls to know that it's not working.
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Speaker 1: So do you think it is now time for change?
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Speaker 7: Well, Charlie, the last thing that you can do is
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Speaker 7: a former president down here is to give advice to
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Speaker 7: the MP's and what they should be doing. So that's
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Speaker 7: the kiss of death for anybody. So I'll let them
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Speaker 7: work that out. All I can say is this, this
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Speaker 7: matter has to be resolved this week Tomorrow, will Friday.
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Speaker 7: Parliament goes away for two weeks. It doesn't resume all
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Speaker 7: the second of March, so we can't have this going
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Speaker 7: on for two more weeks. So it's got to be
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Speaker 7: resolved tomorrow or Friday. Taylor is a very smart bloke.
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Speaker 7: Obviously he's a Rhodes scholar. There aren't too many of them.
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Speaker 7: He's very smart. My point all the way along has
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Speaker 7: been that for the first female leader for the Liberal
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Speaker 7: Party to be overthrown after nine months could do you
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Speaker 7: a lot more damage long term.
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Speaker 1: Really, you think nine months, you agree with Andrew Wallace,
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Speaker 1: nine months is too short a time. She needs longer
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Speaker 1: to have a.
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Speaker 7: Check Gill Gilla, Well, Gill, I'd got three years and
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Speaker 7: I'm not. I'm not. I'm not saying which way I'd vote.
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Speaker 7: It's not a matter for me. I'm just simply making
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Speaker 7: an observation as a political hack and a political commentator.
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Speaker 7: These days. Lee's had to deal with the National Party
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Speaker 7: twice resigning from the coalition, first time that's ever happened
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Speaker 7: in the history of the coalition arrangements. And I don't
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Speaker 7: think you can say Susan Lee has had clean air.
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Speaker 7: Now that's that's political. So who does who does? Who does?
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Speaker 7: But I just simply say, you know, I saw the
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Speaker 7: quality of Susan Lee as you did, and you just
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Speaker 7: said during Bondie she's a class act that Susanally. I'm
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Speaker 7: not saying Angus may not be better. That's the matter
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Speaker 7: for the colleagues. Angus may turn out to be, you know,
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Speaker 7: a fantastic leader. He's got all the credentials to do that.
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Speaker 7: You know, you don't get to his position without being
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Speaker 7: extremely formidable, which he is. My worry is that long
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Speaker 7: term the party will get pilloried for dumping a lead
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Speaker 7: women leader after nine months. On the other hand, the
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Speaker 7: Liberal Party never gets a new credit for putting women
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Speaker 7: in leadership positions. Three of our four leaders are women,
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Speaker 7: most of the many of the state leaders are women.
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Speaker 7: You get no credit, right because all the language come
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Speaker 7: from the left. You know that we're anti women.
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Speaker 1: I just think it would be very hard for anyone
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Speaker 1: to patent this as a gender issue because everyone can
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Speaker 1: see where the poles are sitting, you know, and whether
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Speaker 1: she hasn't had clear air or not, everyone can see
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Speaker 1: where the poles are sitting. Joe, you know the Prime Minister. Well,
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Speaker 1: do you think Albanezi will be quaking in his boots
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Speaker 1: at the prospect of Angus Taylor becoming a position leader.
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Speaker 3: No, he's very confident that he could take on either
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Speaker 3: Hasty or Taylor. There've been more gaming for this as
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Speaker 3: they would blind Freddie could see this was coming. I
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Speaker 3: think Susan Lee I have no issue with their personally
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Speaker 3: whats I think she's a very nice person from everything
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Speaker 3: I've been able to gather. But she's just not a leader.
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Speaker 3: She's just not been able to do the one thing
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Speaker 3: that you basically have to do as a liberal leader,
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Speaker 3: which is to keep the two factions together on the
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Speaker 3: same song sheet. John Howard famously said, we're a broad church,
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Speaker 3: and you need to be able to straddle those two sides,
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Speaker 3: the social conservatives and the kind of you know, economic,
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Speaker 3: cosmopolitan urban liberals.
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Speaker 7: Right.
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Speaker 3: So if you can't get the doctors and the farmers
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Speaker 3: and the doctors' wives, you're gone your toast. And she
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Speaker 3: hasn't been able to do that, and she's walked in,
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Speaker 3: you know, walked into a trap entirely of her own making.
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Speaker 3: In the aftermatha bondai like the dog that caught the car.
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Speaker 3: She demanded Albanesi recall parliament. She demanded to take action
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Speaker 3: on hate speech and andy Semitism, and when he did those,
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Speaker 3: she had him on the roads when she did those.
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Speaker 3: When he did those two things, suddenly the coalition fell apart,
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Speaker 3: and then instead of playing that, you know, and again
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Speaker 3: I know it's a horrible phrase, but diversity of strength.
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Speaker 3: So instead of and this is what I'm talking about
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Speaker 3: when you're the Liberal party, let alone in the coalition,
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Speaker 3: which sort of adds a third half if you like,
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Speaker 3: you need to be able to appeal to different constituents
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Speaker 3: who have different values, and say, as part of this
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Speaker 3: broad Church, we can offer that to you. So you
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Speaker 3: don't have to talk to the farmers about you know,
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Speaker 3: what you're doing about climate change, you can talk to
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Speaker 3: them about other stuff and what you're doing anything. And
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Speaker 3: so the Nationals would have been able to go back
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Speaker 3: to their constituents that are much more socially conservative, that
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Speaker 3: are much more pro free speech, that are going over
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Speaker 3: to one nation in droves and say, look, we voted
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Speaker 3: against this hate speech bill because it would stop you
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Speaker 3: from being able to complain about you know, immigration or
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Speaker 3: whatever it is, blah blah blah blah blah. But instead
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Speaker 3: she demanded that they toll a line that she that
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Speaker 3: she needed to forge in order to keep faith with
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Speaker 3: the Jewish community in particular and also more moderate people.
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Speaker 3: And so instead of sort of saying look, there's something
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Speaker 3: for everyone here. She demanded the NATS sort of fit
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Speaker 3: in that liberal box. She said, right, take it or
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Speaker 3: leave it. You never give ultimatums in politic unless you
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Speaker 3: know you are holding all the cards. And she's been
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Speaker 3: under threat, under pressure, and in trying to show strength,
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Speaker 3: she showed weakness, and she was a dead woman walking.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to say.
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Speaker 1: Ever since metaphorically speaking of course, Michael Kroger, you know,
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Speaker 1: we saw how bad the Liberal or the coalition election
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Speaker 1: result was in May twenty twenty five. You look at
22:20
Speaker 1: it now and despite the Albanezi government performing disastrously when
22:25
Speaker 1: it comes to the economy, when it comes to social cohesion,
22:28
Speaker 1: when it comes to energy policy. I mean those are
22:30
Speaker 1: the three big areas, the coalition is nowhere and has
22:34
Speaker 1: plummeted further. So what you know, putting your personal feelings
22:38
Speaker 1: because towards Susan Lee's side, doesn't that speak to the
22:42
Speaker 1: fact there has to be a change.
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Speaker 7: It speaks to the fact that we've done extremely poorly
22:49
Speaker 7: since the election. And you'd be profoundly ignorant and dishonest
22:52
Speaker 7: to say otherwise. The polls are terrible. But I think
22:57
Speaker 7: if you look around the Western world. What we're seeing
23:01
Speaker 7: is a culmination of anger amongst people in Western nations,
23:08
Speaker 7: which covers a number of issues. Obviously mass immigration is
23:12
Speaker 7: pretty well at the top of the list with the
23:14
Speaker 7: rising cost of living, but mass immigration isn't try to interrupt.
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Speaker 1: But the Coalition hasn't even released their immigration policy nine
23:23
Speaker 1: months on I.
23:23
Speaker 3: Released their immigration spokesman.
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Speaker 7: I agree, I agree, I agree with that. That's absolutely Shari,
23:29
Speaker 7: You're absolutely correct. But it's driving the one nation vote
23:34
Speaker 7: because people have had enough. They've had enough of Islamic terrorism,
23:38
Speaker 7: Muslim extremism, They're sick of these Palestinian demonstrations and obviously
23:45
Speaker 7: the fight between the Liberal Party the National Party has
23:47
Speaker 7: done us immense amount of damage. It's just general unhappiness.
23:52
Speaker 7: And you can sede in attitude to the British Labor
23:56
Speaker 7: government as a perfect example to the French government. So
24:00
Speaker 7: you know, these are issues that have got to be tackled,
24:02
Speaker 7: and you know, you know, no surprise to anyone who
24:07
Speaker 7: watches this show, Islamic extremism, Muslim terrorism and rallies. And
24:14
Speaker 7: I'm not saying this specifically about the other night, just
24:17
Speaker 7: general comment. People are starting to wonder when does a
24:22
Speaker 7: pro Palestinian rally morph into a neo Nazi rally. I mean,
24:29
Speaker 7: if you're calling for the death of Jews, well Hitler
24:34
Speaker 7: did that in the thirties, not a lot in these
24:37
Speaker 7: Nuremberg speeches. By the way, I hear more chance about
24:41
Speaker 7: death to Israel, which is a synonym for death to Jews.
24:44
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, anyone sensible understands the words are interchangeable.
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Speaker 7: I hear more about that in these demonstrations in the
24:50
Speaker 7: Western the world than we've heard for decades.
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Speaker 1: Well, at the Opera House rally, the actually were a
24:54
Speaker 1: chance kill the Jews, kill the Jews. So we have
24:58
Speaker 1: heard that in this and of course we're not saying
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Speaker 1: that any of the protesters are in any way neo Nazis.
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Speaker 1: Don't want to get you last thing. We need lawsuits here.
25:08
Speaker 3: We are the ones who think everyone else is Nazi.
25:10
Speaker 1: Joe, I want to get back to Angus Taylor. So
25:12
Speaker 1: tonight declared his leadership ambitions. What do you think he
25:17
Speaker 1: would look like as opposition leader? Do you think he'd
25:20
Speaker 1: be a much a stronger conviction politician. Do you think
25:24
Speaker 1: he would do at least better than Susan Lee It would.
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Speaker 3: Be you would think impossible to do worse, and if
25:30
Speaker 3: he does do worse, then the Coalition has finished as
25:32
Speaker 3: a political force in Australia. So this is an existential threat.
25:37
Speaker 3: Arguing about you know, saving the furniture or giving you
25:40
Speaker 3: more time or would be a bad look because she's
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Speaker 3: a woman. I just cannot see how that seems to me,
25:44
Speaker 3: the entire that kind of you know, not seeing the
25:46
Speaker 3: forest for the trees, kind of naval gazing that has
25:48
Speaker 3: got them so far down this path where they are
25:51
Speaker 3: facing an absolute, complete and utter wipeout. They are facing
25:55
Speaker 3: the prospect of being the last coalition before Wikipedia said
26:00
Speaker 3: and after that the Coalition was no more and one
26:02
Speaker 3: Nation was the opposition in Australia.
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Speaker 1: But it's for this very reason that, you know, you
26:07
Speaker 1: think there needs to be a change, because the coal.
26:12
Speaker 3: Right thing. So the first thing they need to do
26:13
Speaker 3: is basically just save the furniture and just stop the hemorrhaging.
26:16
Speaker 3: So I think Taylor can probably do that. He's acceptable
26:18
Speaker 3: to the moderates even if they don't particularly like him,
26:21
Speaker 3: they dislike him less than they dislike Hasty, and he
26:24
Speaker 3: can put forward a series of sort of policies or
26:26
Speaker 3: values or whatever it is that are more acceptable to
26:29
Speaker 3: the moderates and all this talk about, you know, getting
26:31
Speaker 3: a policy position, you know, to be honest, the beauty
26:34
Speaker 3: of opposition is it don't really have to do that.
26:36
Speaker 3: All you have to do is reflect people's values back
26:39
Speaker 3: at them and let them see in you. And this
26:42
Speaker 3: is what I'm talking about, and Michael's talked about it
26:45
Speaker 3: in the past about Peter Malanowskas. People are able to
26:47
Speaker 3: look at him and see their values, see themselves in him,
26:51
Speaker 3: and that's enough. They're not across the policy detail. They're
26:53
Speaker 3: not going through the budget line by line and saying
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Speaker 3: do I support this or not?
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Speaker 1: So all he has to don't have time. They just
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Speaker 1: need someone he's try.
26:59
Speaker 3: They just want to say, so, yeah, this guy looks
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Speaker 3: like I can trust him and he's got my back
27:03
Speaker 3: and I can do it. And I don't think that
27:04
Speaker 3: the Tail will ever be Prime Minister, but I think
27:06
Speaker 3: you will be able to save the coalition from oblivion
27:08
Speaker 3: and hopefully keep it in some kind of shape before Angus,
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Speaker 3: before Andrew Hasty or indeed Josh Freedenberg after the next election.
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Speaker 1: You need a strong opposition. The Albanezer government needs to
27:19
Speaker 1: be helped to account. You know that they're not doing
27:21
Speaker 1: that that needs to happen, right, And why wouldn't you.
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Speaker 3: Have like if this is another failing of Susan Lea's
27:26
Speaker 3: like why wouldn't you have Why do wouldn't you have
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty as immigration spokesman out there complaining about high
27:34
Speaker 3: immigration rates, shouting it from the rooftops, attacking the government
27:37
Speaker 3: for it. Again in the opposition, you don't need solutions,
27:39
Speaker 3: you just need to point out the problems and then
27:41
Speaker 3: she can use him as a kind of lightning ride
27:43
Speaker 3: for all those votes that are going to one nation
27:45
Speaker 3: instead anyone who disagrees with the sort of more moderate
27:48
Speaker 3: line she boots out and then wonders why Suddenly you
27:51
Speaker 3: know she's on a Queenslander with only one stilt.
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Speaker 1: And you only have to look to paulinen Hansen to
27:57
Speaker 1: see how running an effective opposition campaign can cut through Michael,
28:02
Speaker 1: just quickly. I mean, as a former powerbroker numbers man yourself,
28:08
Speaker 1: for Angus Taylor to come out tonight, he's got to
28:10
Speaker 1: be pretty confident he's now got the numbers because it
28:13
Speaker 1: was a very close leadership count initially, and some of
28:20
Speaker 1: the people who voted for Susan Lee initially actually, you know,
28:25
Speaker 1: with Giselle Capteriian didn't end up getting into the parliament.
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Speaker 1: Holly Hughes has now.
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Speaker 3: Left so replaced with an Angus Taylor support.
28:32
Speaker 1: Replaced with Jess Collins who supports Angus Taylor. So, Michael,
28:36
Speaker 1: what does that say to you about where the numbers
28:38
Speaker 1: are now likely to fall.
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Speaker 7: Well, look unlike the ALP, where they really have ballots
28:45
Speaker 7: because they know which way the factions are voting, and
28:48
Speaker 7: therefore they look unified because they don't have the ballots,
28:52
Speaker 7: which is a terrific way of doing politics. You look
28:54
Speaker 7: at united even though you know we know tenure clubs,
28:56
Speaker 7: he hates Elbow, et cetera. Cental they look united. So
28:59
Speaker 7: if you take your diagnosis, you know that may well
29:03
Speaker 7: be right. On the other hand, you don't know how
29:07
Speaker 7: many people who voted for Angus might have said, Susan
29:11
Speaker 7: Ly's had a bad runners leader, she hasn't had clean air,
29:15
Speaker 7: we deserve to give her a go. So the coalition
29:19
Speaker 7: you never in the Liberal Party, you never actually know,
29:21
Speaker 7: particularly when that vote was what twenty nine, twenty five
29:25
Speaker 7: or twenty six, whatever it was, and a few of left,
29:27
Speaker 7: as you said, it could be there could be one
29:29
Speaker 7: or two votes in it, so you don't know. I
29:30
Speaker 7: think one of Angus's supporters as a senator is in Adelaide,
29:33
Speaker 7: so she's got to come back. But either way it'll
29:37
Speaker 7: be you know, two or three, four or five votes,
29:40
Speaker 7: and I would think, but I think my points has
29:42
Speaker 7: got to be resolved. It's got to be resolved by Friday.
29:44
Speaker 7: You can't let this go on.
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Speaker 1: All right, And just for a quick recap, here is
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Speaker 1: what Angus Taylor said tonight when he fronted the media.
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Speaker 2: The Liberal Party is at the worst position it has
29:57
Speaker 2: been since nineteen forty four when the party was formed.
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Speaker 2: That is a confronting reality and we cannot ignore it.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe Susan Lee is in a position to
30:11
Speaker 2: be able to lead the party as it needs to
30:14
Speaker 2: be led from him just a few moments ago. Attend
30:18
Speaker 2: to my resignation. I will continue to serve the Liberal Party.
30:24
Speaker 2: We need strong leadership, clear direction, and a relentless and
30:31
Speaker 2: courageous focus on our values as a first priority. We
30:37
Speaker 2: need to protect Australian's way of life. We need to
30:41
Speaker 2: focus on restoring their standard of living.
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Speaker 1: All right. That was Angus Taylor earlier this evening just
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Speaker 1: over an hour ago. All right, Michael Kroger, Johuduran, thank
30:52
Speaker 1: you both so much. We're going to take a quick break.
30:55
Speaker 1: After the break, we'll look at the backfire for the
30:57
Speaker 1: so called Jewish Council of Australia their use of fake
31:00
Speaker 1: signatures and offensive names, plus Grace Tame. Also we'll get
31:05
Speaker 1: the latest breaking news on Angus Taylor. New South Illis
31:08
Speaker 1: Liberal leader Kelly Sloan will be here next. We'll come
31:16
Speaker 1: back to the breaking news of the Angus Taylor leadership
31:19
Speaker 1: ambition in a moment. But now to the grotesque hypocrisy
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Speaker 1: and dangerous chance of Grace Tame, a sexual assault survivor
31:27
Speaker 1: who expressed no sympathy for the Israeli women raped on
31:31
Speaker 1: October seven. This week we've seen the former Australian of
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Speaker 1: the Year standing on the steps of Town Hall calling
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Speaker 1: to globalize the inter Farda and the Prime Minister has
31:43
Speaker 1: not clearly condemned it. Now, let's be clear about what
31:48
Speaker 1: this word means, inter Farda. The first and second inter
31:52
Speaker 1: Fartas were not peaceful protests. They were defined by suicide bombings,
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Speaker 1: terror and the deliberate murder of innocent civilians. In Israel.
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Speaker 1: Is this seriously, what Grace Tame is advocating a violent
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Speaker 1: uprising here in Australia. Here she was in ugly scenes.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is in Sydney. Our city is still grieving.
32:28
Speaker 1: Just weeks ago, fifteen people were killed because they were
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Speaker 1: at a Jewish Khanniker festival. Yet Grace Hame stands there
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Speaker 1: and demands a global into fada. And Grace Tame herself
32:43
Speaker 1: is a survivor of sexual assault, So doesn't she realize
32:46
Speaker 1: that innocent Israeli teenagers, teenage girls and young women were
32:52
Speaker 1: raped on October seven? And if so, if she does
32:56
Speaker 1: realize that, why would she be calling for more interf fada?
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Speaker 1: How can someone who's advocated for victims of sexual assault
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Speaker 1: appear to endorse language associated with the October seven into
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Speaker 1: Fada Where along with the massacre there were violent rapes
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Speaker 1: of women, rapes both on October seven and of the
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Speaker 1: hostages afterwards. Now where was the outcry from Grace Tame
33:24
Speaker 1: in the immediate aftermath of October seven? The hypocrisy here
33:30
Speaker 1: is staggering. Now, as a former Australian of the Year,
33:34
Speaker 1: many young people naively would look up to Grace Tame
33:40
Speaker 1: so given this, we need to hear our leaders clearly
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Speaker 1: and unequivocally denounce her, her actions and her language. Yet,
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Speaker 1: when Anthony Albanezi was asked a specific question in Parliament,
33:53
Speaker 1: he couldn't quite bring himself to condemn grace Tame.
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Speaker 8: Have a look, well, the Prime Minister today show leadership,
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Speaker 8: disassociate himself from these words and unequivocally condemn this disgusting
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Speaker 8: display of anti Semitism by the former Australian of the Year.
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Speaker 9: I'll make two comments. One is I'll refer to my
34:13
Speaker 9: previous center and the second is on my left. And
34:18
Speaker 9: the second is we need to not continually look for
34:23
Speaker 9: political opportunities.
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Speaker 6: From what is.
34:29
Speaker 1: From what is.
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Speaker 9: From what is a devastating situation, or we need to
34:36
Speaker 9: turn the temperature down.
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Speaker 1: I mean no moral backbone. It is infuriating right. New
34:46
Speaker 1: South Wales opposition leader Kelly Sloane joins me. Now, Kelly,
34:49
Speaker 1: great to see you as always Sharry. Well, what's your
34:52
Speaker 1: reaction to what Grace Ham had to say on the
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Speaker 1: steps of town Hall.
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Speaker 10: It was behavior and words very unbecoming of an Australian
34:59
Speaker 10: of the Year. In fact, those words which are delivered
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Speaker 10: to incite hatred, incite violence, quite frankly, are probably illegal
35:08
Speaker 10: under New South Wales law and they should be investigated.
35:12
Speaker 10: She delivered them in an angry fashion, in a confronting fashion,
35:15
Speaker 10: whipping up a crowd, and later that evening we saw
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Speaker 10: a crowd that was turned violent.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying they possibly breach current laws. Is that
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Speaker 1: for potentially inciting violence?
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Speaker 10: They exist in New South Wales laws, laws that were
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Speaker 10: passed last year. So the term globalized the into FATA,
35:37
Speaker 10: seen as a cry to arms against accord to arms
35:40
Speaker 10: against Jewish people could be defined under our current laws,
35:44
Speaker 10: and those laws I've said earlier today should be tested
35:48
Speaker 10: to see whether that fit into that definition. But the
35:50
Speaker 10: very least she should be setting an example. Leaders should
35:53
Speaker 10: be setting an example. And in that crowd at the
35:56
Speaker 10: front of the crowd will also Labour MPs from New
35:58
Speaker 10: South Wales and they are as a state party at
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Speaker 10: war with themselves over these protests as well.
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Speaker 1: So just to be clear, you think police should investigate
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Speaker 1: Grace Tame for whether she has breached incitement to violence laws.
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Speaker 10: Well, anyone who says those words in front of a
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Speaker 10: crowd should be investigated. They are a call to arms
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Speaker 10: and that potentially already breaches New South Wales laws.
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Speaker 1: Now New southwis Premier Chrismins has announced new laws to
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Speaker 1: actually ban the phrase globalize the into FATA. Would you
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Speaker 1: support these laws?
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Speaker 10: We would not stand in the way of supporting those laws.
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Speaker 10: They were unfortunately deliberated at a committee meeting just before
36:37
Speaker 10: Christmas that legal no Liberal representative was allowed to attend,
36:41
Speaker 10: so we've had no say in developing that policy. We
36:45
Speaker 10: haven't seen it yet, we haven't seen a bill. But
36:47
Speaker 10: what I'm saying is that police do have the powers
36:50
Speaker 10: under our current laws if words are delivered to incite hatred,
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Speaker 10: to take that action without new laws.
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Speaker 1: The Coalition spokesman too, was on that Joint Standing committee.
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Speaker 1: He didn't support it, though he didn't support the recommendation.
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Speaker 1: Did he to ban globalize the into FATA.
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Speaker 10: He didn't support the committee process, which we say was rushed,
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Speaker 10: was done without proper consultation just two days before Christmas.
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Speaker 10: He was on there as a NAT's representative. We didn't
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Speaker 10: have a Liberal representative. We would have liked further input
37:26
Speaker 10: into that. But I reaffirm what I said to you
37:29
Speaker 10: that we would not stand in the way.
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Speaker 1: If you wouldn't stand in the way. Does that mean
37:34
Speaker 1: you will support the laws?
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Speaker 10: We see the laws and see the problem is it
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Speaker 10: can get tricky sharf people can change the words slightly
37:41
Speaker 10: and this is the difficulty too. But what we are
37:44
Speaker 10: saying is that there are current laws that we supported,
37:47
Speaker 10: that we could that we could test right now.
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Speaker 1: I mean, most of my viewers would very clearly support
37:53
Speaker 1: banning the phrase globalize the INTERFARTA because, as you say,
37:58
Speaker 1: it seems to incite violence. So can you say that
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Speaker 1: you would support those laws to ban the phrase globalized
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Speaker 1: the intafata?
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Speaker 10: So can I say I personally would like to see
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Speaker 10: those words banned And we've seen that direction being delivered
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Speaker 10: in Queensland as well. That's the intent of the government there.
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Speaker 10: But I'm not going to rub a stamp laws that
38:15
Speaker 10: I haven't seen that we haven't been able to participate
38:18
Speaker 10: in the creation of. So when we see them, we'll
38:19
Speaker 10: look through that with our shadow Cabinet and make a decision.
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Speaker 1: But we haven't seen that yet.
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Speaker 8: All right.
38:26
Speaker 1: This week we've seen utterly violent scenes on the streets
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Speaker 1: of Sydney, I mean activists biting police, attacking police. Do
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Speaker 1: you support how the police responded?
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Speaker 10: So I think the police will put in incredibly difficult circumstances.
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Speaker 10: That protest should never have occurred on the steps of
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Speaker 10: town Hall. It should have been at Hyde Park, but
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Speaker 10: that direction was disobeyed by the protesters, and we know
38:54
Speaker 10: what the end result was going to be. We knew
38:56
Speaker 10: that the police knew what they were going to face,
38:58
Speaker 10: and unfortunately that eventuated an extraordinarily difficult situation for our police,
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Speaker 10: who have had the patients of Saints over the past year,
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Speaker 10: turning up at protests week on week, every day every
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Speaker 10: week of the year, and then it's culminated in this
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Speaker 10: So the police have had a gutful, the communities had
39:20
Speaker 10: a gutful, and people that are sitting at home shari
39:22
Speaker 10: who are worried about the real issues impacting our communities,
39:26
Speaker 10: who were worried about interest rates going up, bills increasing,
39:30
Speaker 10: have had big back to school costs for their families
39:34
Speaker 10: this week and are seeing resources diverted away from their
39:38
Speaker 10: communities to police. What is being led by a rabble
39:42
Speaker 10: of professional protesters.
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Speaker 1: What do you think should be done about the protesters?
39:47
Speaker 1: I mean, how would you handle it if you were premier.
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Speaker 10: Well, well, first of all, I would tell my team
39:52
Speaker 10: not to turn up. The premier told residents in the
39:56
Speaker 10: city to avoid the protest not to turn up, but
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Speaker 10: four of his own party members defied that instruction and
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Speaker 10: they turned up. They've been criticizing their own government's actions today.
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Speaker 10: They've been criticizing the police minister. They've been calling for apologies.
40:10
Speaker 10: So it's concerning to me that you can have one
40:13
Speaker 10: message from the premier and his team does another. So
40:16
Speaker 10: it starts with leadership, Shari. What happened was very difficult
40:21
Speaker 10: to manage, and that was no one's fault though, no
40:23
Speaker 10: one's fault except the leaders of that rally and Josh
40:26
Speaker 10: Le's who put the protesters in a difficult position, put
40:30
Speaker 10: the police in an impossible situation, and we saw the result.
40:34
Speaker 10: And it's very hard to judge and condemn police for
40:37
Speaker 10: operational split decision, split moment decisions when we haven't seen
40:42
Speaker 10: the context of a lot of that. But mal Lanyon,
40:45
Speaker 10: the Police Commissioner, has already said they will review when necessary.
40:49
Speaker 10: That is a very normal part of the post operation
40:52
Speaker 10: process and we will see that context hopefully.
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Speaker 1: I mean, from my perspective looking at it, I think
40:59
Speaker 1: the police did extraordinary job, but they were up against
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Speaker 1: protesters biting them. I mean, we saw one eighteen year
41:05
Speaker 1: old charged with assault over allegedly shining a torch into
41:09
Speaker 1: the eyes of at least one police officer. So, you know,
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Speaker 1: don't you think the police did a good job.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, look, I mean absolutely, you know, when you look
41:20
Speaker 10: at the entirety of what happened, our police did a
41:23
Speaker 10: bloody good job. Schari And they should never have to
41:25
Speaker 10: turn up to work and stand in the middle of
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Speaker 10: a violent protest, a protest that they were happy to
41:31
Speaker 10: support elsewhere in another part of the city, but they
41:35
Speaker 10: insisted on it being in a confined space, in a
41:37
Speaker 10: location so close to where at least six thousand Jewish
41:42
Speaker 10: people were mourning the deaths of fifteen innocent souls. Police
41:46
Speaker 10: had a very difficult job to keep that line in check,
41:51
Speaker 10: and I think we should be applauding them for that.
41:53
Speaker 10: And we need to understand that they have been so
41:56
Speaker 10: patient and every single weekend turning up at protests, and
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Speaker 10: it gets.
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Speaker 1: Worse and worse. There were people that protested.
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Speaker 10: Peacefully on that day and they left that protest, but
42:10
Speaker 10: the rat bags at the front of that protest stayed.
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Speaker 10: They whipped up a frenzy and labor MPs were part
42:16
Speaker 10: of it.
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Speaker 1: Very quickly. We're out of time, but very quickly your
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Speaker 1: view on whether Angus Taylor would do a better job
42:22
Speaker 1: than seasonally federally.
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Speaker 10: As a state leader of the opposition. I'm not going
42:26
Speaker 10: to make a habit of commentating on our federal colleagues,
42:29
Speaker 10: and I hope they'll do me the courtesy of that
42:31
Speaker 10: as well.
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Speaker 1: They did, because I remember the week of the leadership spill,
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Speaker 1: I was asking everyone, Dave Shama what they thought of you,
42:37
Speaker 1: and yeah, everyone was being very diplomatic, just like you
42:39
Speaker 1: are now. All right, Kelly, thanks Cherry beer. Time all right, Well,
42:43
Speaker 1: still to come. Many Jews are saying that their names
42:46
Speaker 1: were used in a national newspaper ad without their consent.
42:50
Speaker 1: We'll get more on that place, plus the latest details
42:53
Speaker 1: in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance that chilling video. It's all coming up. Well.
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Speaker 1: The so called Jewish Council of Australia has now admitted
43:08
Speaker 1: the signatory list that it had in newspapers nine newspapers,
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Speaker 1: the Herald. The age was compromised that offensive names and
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Speaker 1: false signatories somehow slipped through the cracks, So this included
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Speaker 1: the names of real Jewish Australians whose details were allegedly
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Speaker 1: submitted by someone else. It was on this petition saying
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Speaker 1: that they don't support the visit of Israeli President Isaac Kurtzog,
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Speaker 1: when in fact they do. Joining me now, Head of
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Speaker 1: AJAX Sydney office, Arson Ostrovsky Arsen, so good to see you,
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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I mean this has been so
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Speaker 1: upsetting for many people whose names were on the list.
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Speaker 1: They they've been inundated with phone calls.
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Speaker 5: Look, it's quite telling that an organization that claims to
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Speaker 5: speak for Australian Jews had to use fake names in
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Speaker 5: order to manufacture relevance when it really is an irrelevant
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Speaker 5: organization that is a French group that does not speak
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Speaker 5: for the vast overwhelming majority of Australian Jews, who are
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Speaker 5: proud Jews, who are unapologetic Zionists, who warmly embrace President
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Speaker 5: her his visit here.
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Speaker 1: His visit has been remarkable this week. It meant so
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Speaker 1: much to the Sydney community, the Bondai community who were
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Speaker 1: impacted by the terror attack. We saw him visit Canberra today. Well,
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Speaker 1: first heard dinner last night with Albanezi at Kiribilly House
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Speaker 1: and then they caught the plane together to Canbra. What
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Speaker 1: was your view of the public statements they both made.
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Speaker 5: I think they're very powerful. I mean, first of all,
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Speaker 5: I should say that President Herzog's visit is so important
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Speaker 5: for our community. We have been grieving every single day.
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Speaker 5: Our community has been reeling. To see President Herzog here,
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Speaker 5: to feel his embrace, to know that we are not alone,
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Speaker 5: was so important because he came at a time when
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Speaker 5: we are still mourning, and to come from Israel to
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Speaker 5: lay those stones who brought from Jerusalem just only underscores
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Speaker 5: this inextricable bond between Israel and the Jewish people.
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Speaker 1: We should probably remind everyone that you actually were one
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Speaker 1: of the victims of the bond eyed terror attack. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the bullet scraped your head. Had it been what a
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Speaker 1: couple of millimeters, you wouldn't be sitting here.
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be And you know what, President Hertzek was
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Speaker 5: one of the first people to call me to express
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Speaker 5: his concerns, his solidarity, his embrace not just with me,
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Speaker 5: but and I recall his words with an entire Jewish
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Speaker 5: community of Australia, and he made good on his word.
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Speaker 5: He came here, he embraced us, and I think sometimes
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Speaker 5: these embraces are worth more than a thousand words.
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Speaker 1: Yet during his visit there were protesters objecting to the
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Speaker 1: fact that he was here. We've seen we've just been
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Speaker 1: talking about it. Grace Tame calling to globalize the interfada
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Speaker 1: from gatigled gars or gars at a galligle or whatever.
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Speaker 1: She was saying. I don't want to learn the phrase.
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Speaker 1: You know, when I interviewed him on Monday afternoon, the
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Speaker 1: President said to me, why haven't they been protesting against
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Speaker 1: Iran and the public executions. They're incredible hypocrisy.
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Speaker 5: He's absolutely right, you know what those protests it's they
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Speaker 5: claim his visit is divisive. No, it's not. His visit
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Speaker 5: is necessary. His visit provides us comfort, provides us hope.
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Speaker 5: What is divisive are these very same people that are
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Speaker 5: claiming that he is being divisive. They're the ones that
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Speaker 5: have every single day since October seven, been pouring more
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Speaker 5: fuel on the hatred you. They've been harassing Jews, they
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Speaker 5: have been defying the law, as we saw just the
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Speaker 5: other day with Supreme Court decision. They have been intimidating us,
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Speaker 5: and they have been out on the on the streets
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Speaker 5: in signing for the violence. President Hertzog here was his
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Speaker 5: visit was necessary. Those people, He's right, that should be
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Speaker 5: protesting against the iranianogen, but they don't care about that.
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Speaker 5: They don't care about the Palestinians, and quite frankly that
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Speaker 5: much about Australia either.
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Speaker 1: Just finally, quickly, Angus Taylor has declared his leadership ambitions tonight.
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Speaker 1: How important is it for the coalition to become a
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Speaker 1: strong opposition given the hostility we've seen over the past
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Speaker 1: two years from the Albanezy government.
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Speaker 5: Look, Australia thrives in a democratic environment. We're a democratic country.
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Speaker 5: We are robust democracy. And you want a strong government
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Speaker 5: and you want a strong coalition opposition because ultimately it's
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Speaker 5: in the best interest of Australia as a whole.
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Speaker 1: Right Arson, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, Sherry.
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Speaker 1: All right, after the break, I'll show you that chilling
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Speaker 1: footage of a masked intruder outside Nancy Guthrie's home on
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Speaker 1: the morning she disappeared. Koshergata will be with me next.
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Speaker 11: Well.
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Speaker 1: A person has now been detained for questioning in the
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Speaker 1: abduction of Nancy Guthrie. The eighty four year old mother
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Speaker 1: of television host Seana Guthrie, and the FBI says it's
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Speaker 1: making substantial progress. Investigators have also released chilling new images
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Speaker 1: of an armed and masked figure tampering with her door
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Speaker 1: camera the morning that she vanished. All right, joining me now,
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Speaker 1: Sky News contributed Kosher Garda Kosher tell us about this
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Speaker 1: new vision. Firstly, this is.
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Speaker 11: Huge news, just breaking a few hours ago, after eleven
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Speaker 11: days where it looked like older leads were kind of
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Speaker 11: getting called. They were able to recover four still images
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Speaker 11: and two video clips from the nest cameras, maybe through
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Speaker 11: the back.
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Speaker 1: End clips while you're talking.
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Speaker 11: And because Nazygatrue supposedly didn't have a subscription, so it
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Speaker 11: took some time, but they were able to get it
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Speaker 11: from the back end, presumably from the Google servers. And
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Speaker 11: it's these scary, chilling images. I'm just imagining a poor
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Speaker 11: eighty four year old lady seeing somebody like that, a
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Speaker 11: large male looks to be Caucasian, fully masked in that
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Speaker 11: ski mask, with the weapon that you can visibly see
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Speaker 11: showing up at her doorstep. We can only imagine what
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Speaker 11: she went through, and gloves on it, and gloves and
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Speaker 11: he was tampering with the camera. He looked very prepared.
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Speaker 11: He had this big backpack filled with supply. So this
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Speaker 11: clearly is premeditated, and it feels like somebody familiar with
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Speaker 11: the property, whether it's a worker, a tradesman, a family member.
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Speaker 11: All these leads are being investigated. We don't know. They
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Speaker 11: did detain an individual who's subsequently been released.
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Speaker 1: So tell us about that. What do we know about
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Speaker 1: the person they detained and why they detained this person?
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Speaker 11: Not much, and the fact that he wasn't held means
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Speaker 11: they didn't have probable cause, so they just had enough
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Speaker 11: to detain him and question him. They also executed a
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Speaker 11: search warrant on a property. This is right on the
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Speaker 11: border of the US and Mexico where allegedly this person's
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Speaker 11: mother in law lived and confirmed it was her house,
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Speaker 11: and they confiscated all electronic devices and she maintains he's innocent,
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Speaker 11: and he has been released, so they don't have enough
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Speaker 11: evidence to further arrest him. But they did detain him
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Speaker 11: and question him, and we don't know much else at.
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Speaker 1: This And this is after they searched that septic tank
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week as well.
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Speaker 11: Yes, they did that, and they also searched that this
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Speaker 11: is another thread in here. The daughter in law, who
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Speaker 11: lives just ten minutes down the road her property as well.
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Speaker 11: So there's all sorts of rumors flying about what's the
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Speaker 11: connection with potentially the son in law the daughter, but
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Speaker 11: nothing yet, no arrests have been made and she has
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Speaker 11: still not been found.
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Speaker 1: Now there's been a lot of talk about a ransom note.
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Speaker 1: Do we know yet whether this is credible or not.
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Speaker 11: We don't. So the only thing we know is the
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Speaker 11: ransom note was published, the deadline came and went, and
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Speaker 11: Savannah Gothrie in the family did not deposit the six
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Speaker 11: million dollars into the account. TMZ has been tracking this
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Speaker 11: and tracking the account, so they obviously determined we can
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Speaker 11: infer that it was not legitimate or it wasn't this
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Speaker 11: actual perpetrator, and they chose not to deposit it into
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Speaker 11: that crypto account.
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Speaker 1: And the family and we saw it from Savannah's latest statement,
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Speaker 1: she would just they'll be praying that their mom is
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Speaker 1: still alive and that you know that intruder, that it's
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Speaker 1: not a murder investigation they're looking at, that it is
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Speaker 1: a ransom, it is a hostage, right. Koshagata, thank you
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Speaker 1: for the update. Appreciate it all right? Well now, no
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Speaker 1: doubt Paul Murray will give you his views on the
51:14
Speaker 1: impending leadership spill between Angus Taylor and Susan Lee. Who
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Speaker 1: has the numbers? I'll see you tomorrow at eight