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Paul Fuller - Gratitude, Coaching, and Overcoming Depression · Quarterback DadCast | Intentional Fatherhood & Leadership at Home

• 0:03
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• 1:35
  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, it's Casey Jacobs with the quarterback dad cast.
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: We're in season four, almost in season five, which, as I said, that man that gave me the goosebumps everybody, because it means we're doing something right Again, shout out goes out to the one and only Tainunez of Yakima Washington, my college receiver.
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: Brother, thank you again for making today happen and actually this podcast happened.
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: But our next guest, his name is Paul Fuller.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: I came across him to the wide world of LinkedIn.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: He is the chief revenue officer of membranecom.
• 2:08
  Speaker 2: We'll learn all about that.
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: He is the host of the podcast the art and science of complex sales.
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: I hope I said that right.
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: We're going to learn all about that fantastic podcast.
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: That really hit me in my heart because I think selling is about an art and a science.
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: You got to understand, kind of how to do all those things.
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: We'll learn about that.
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: He's from Columbus, ohio.
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: He is a Red Hawk.
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: He's also a wild cat.
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: He's also the Ted Lasso of youth soccer in Ohio.
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: He's also the lead play by play dancer for your new JV high school, but more importantly, he's a dad and we're going to learn all about Paul.
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: So with that, mr Fuller, welcome to the quarterback dad cast.
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: Casey Mann.
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think I deserved that good of an introduction, but that was brilliant.
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: No notes and first take oh.
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: I nailed it, he absolutely nailed it.
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: Oh God, I'm so random.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so are you a Red Hawk or a wild cat?
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: Who do we?
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: I identify most as a wild cat.
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: I started out, but I started out.
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: My first two years I was a collegiate swimmer at Miami, the year that Miami University, the year that they became the Red Hawks.
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: So I transferred.
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: I transferred from the Red Skins to the Red Hawks.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: That was my freshman year.
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: There we go, and now and now you're a turn wild cat, my actual, my nephew shout out to Jake Arthur, a new freshman wild cat at University of Arizona.
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: Bear down, bear down, Shout out buddy.
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: Let's go, he's, he's, he's down there.
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's like day two or day three and I'm looking forward to seeing this journey.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: I can guarantee you he's enjoying himself.
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he's texting my son about the.
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of pretty things to look at down there.
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: I'll let you guys, dad's kind of go where you want to go with that one.
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: There's some palm trees and a lot of.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: There's a big open grass, and I had actually most of them.
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: I spent most of my time there at the at the U of A rec center where I was fortunate enough to be a lifeguard, which was one of the best things I've ever done in my life.
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: Did they ask why we're in sunglasses?
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: No, but they generally asked me to wear a towel around.
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, we're already off the rails.
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: So we always start each episode with gratitude, Paul.
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: So tell me, what are you most grateful for as a father today?
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: I am most grateful for my wife as as a father today yeah, she is, she is amazing.
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: I've been married, been married 20 years, a girl in my dreams, and we've had a ton of ups and downs, but she, she has stuck with me.
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: So today I am most grateful for her.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: Awesome, love it.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: You never can go wrong with being having grateful gratitude actually for our wives or partner, whatever.
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: You, we have that there at home.
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: But for me, um, my gratitude yesterday is just about like slowing down before school starts.
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: We are recording in August this up, so it'll be out within the next month or so and my son today has his.
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: He's gonna be a senior in high school, which I cannot I mean like there's no way that's possible and it's happening and he's they got like their senior day to kind of go through and make sure they got their stuff ready, all the stuff, and I'm just like what in the heck?
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: So last night we my daughter had a basketball campus weekend and and we literally just chilled in like our our bonus room, watched a little TV and hung out and, um, and we're actually we're also toying with the idea of getting a puppy.
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: So when this episode comes out, maybe we will have one, but unfortunately our family's lost two dogs, like in the last like three months, so it's like, and so we have one dog left and her name's Stella, and Stella's like where the hell everybody go.
• 5:44
  Speaker 4: What's going?
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  Speaker 2: on.
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: So we're, we're like, is this the worst decision ever to get another puppy?
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: And like, cause it?
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: It sounds great in theory, cause it's cute and snugly.
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: But then all of a sudden they're getting up and taking a dump on the crate and you're like, who's that?
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: He was this exactly.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I got, I got our, I got our last puppy and I thought it was a great idea, like personally, but thankful, being thankful, for my wife again.
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: Um, at right at the start of lockdowns essentially, and I just I was like, and she was four months old and I was like, oh my gosh, uh, just, I just forgot it from a rescue and she looked a lot like my older dog and it was fantastic, but little did I know that there'd be lockdowns.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: My wife would be working from home, she'd be homeschooling all the kids and she'd have have the puppy that had, like this proclivity for eating headphones and pencils and whatever else the thing could ingest.
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: I got a goat instead of a dog, um, so she, literally she had this little eye twitch going like I just cause I got her a puppy.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: She loves her now but, oh my God, she was ready to kill me ready to kill me.
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: That's not helping the sales pitch there, sorry.
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not trying.
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to help with the sales.
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: I'd say go with a year and a half old dog that's already trained and you're fine.
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: I know that's what we would love to do.
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: So well, TVD, I'll keep the audience teased as we as this story unfolds.
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: Um, okay, Well, let's go inside the Fuller huddle and I'm going to learn about how you and your wife met and then, talk about each member of the squad.
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: Awesome.
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: Uh, my wife and I met actually at the U of A, um so, and I was, we were both lifeguards at the U of A and uh, she was a water polo player, uh, so she played club water polo there and she had no idea that I had that.
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: I had my eye on her and I actually I walked up.
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: Our best thing is, I walked up and I asked her out and I'm two years older than her and she was 19 and I was 21 and I walked up.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: She was on the lifeguard stand and I asked her out.
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: She's, I said I think.
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: I said, uh, well, yeah, maybe we could go get a drink or something.
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: You know, a big 21 year old guy, you know, and and she goes, no, that's okay.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: So that started a long run of uh, there was probably like five or six times it'd be like oh, are you going to be at that party?
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm going to be there.
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: And she, you know, I'd go and I'd wait and I'd sit and picture me lonely in a corner.
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: I really wasn't, but, but my eyes would always be looking at it Where's Jen, where's Jen?
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: And she would never show up and I'd go to the next.
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: So this happened like five or six times and finally, finally, after much persistence uh, I caught her at one of those parties, and the rest is the rest is history.
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: We were inseparable ever since, so but yeah she, that's the art and that's the art.
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: and sales, a complex sales, yeah, it's the, the art of perseverance.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: Right there, I, I the funny thing is I had actually, I had actually gone to this.
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: Uh, we, I was going to this party and I had actually just invited and I'll probably get a lot of hate mail for this but I had just invited this uh other girl out for dinner.
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: I had finally said, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to go on, and, and I went over to apartments.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: She actually cooked me dinner.
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: It was a really nice dinner, and then we decided to go to this party again where Jen you know, I didn't know Jen was going to be at this one, but we go in and and, by the way, you have a is I keep on saying parties.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: That's how people got together there.
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: It was just like they'd have, you know, 20 people in a at a house party, and that's what they would do, and said they all going out to big things, but and but Jen was there, and then I would.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: I actually saw Jen when I walked in and I walked right over and started talking to her and uh, let's just say that didn't go well for my, for my other date.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: She didn't like that very much.
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: He got fly heart though.
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I was, I was all in on the heart, so but yeah, All right and the kids telling about them.
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: Kids, I got three.
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: Um, we'll start.
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: We'll go from the bottom up.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: Actually, we'll go from, uh, sophie, she's my, my littlest, she's 11.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: Uh, absolute free spirit, youngest of three.
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: Um, amazing, little, amazing little girl loves, loves sports is the type of girl that could get lost in her imagination, for she could play with her fingertips, for, you know, six hours and be a completely happy little girl.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: Um, then my middle one is my responsible one, that's, uh, she is 13 and she is an eighth grade and she's just getting into.
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: She's actually playing water polo for the high school team, which is a really cool thing.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: They have a program here that they, but middle school is playing high school and she's doing awesome, she's loving it.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: And, um, then my oldest is a software in high school.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: He's, uh, he's a soccer player, swimmer, whatever you want to do, he wants to do three, three sports every, every, uh, or three sports every year is his goal, um, and so he's, he's loving it.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: And, yeah, great kids, uh, roughly, you know, two years apart each and, uh, great, a lot of fun to be around.
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: And so Sophie's the middle.
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: And what are the ages?
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: What are the names of our second third?
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: Sophie's the first Sophie's the youngest.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: Caitlin is the um middle one, she's the 13, and Grady is the uh 15 year old.
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: Love those names Very cool, are they all I mean every one talks about?
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, our kids are so different.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: You know my?
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: I have two and they're definitely there's a.
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: There're a lot of similar, there are a lot of similarities, but they're a lot like totally different, with so many different when you say that's the same for your three all unique.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they're all incredibly unique.
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: Um Grady is very, very matter of fact, like he's, just like he's a.
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: He's a dude's dude.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: He's very, very, very matter of fact.
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: We'll get along with anybody and just uh, you know he is, he is, that's how he is.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: I mean the very math science mind.
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: Um Caitlin is, she's my feeler.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: She will feel anything and everything and needs to work it out and needs to go go deep to work it out and and uh, and you know she loves design, she loves all other other things like that.
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: And yeah, my third one, she is just the free spirit.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: You know she is.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: Uh, she has never met a stranger that she couldn't talk to for an hour straight and the stranger doesn't have to say a word.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: But uh, but no, they're, they're awesome.
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: I absolutely.
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: They're great kids.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: So cool.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: So tell me, where did the, where did the love of coaching, soccer coaching?
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: Because I'm in here, you're the Ted Lasso Columbus, so I need to know how this happened.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: I actually started.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: I actually started coaching.
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: The love of it came real early.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: I actually I started coaching when I was a kid and then I would I would do, you know, I would coach the younger kids when I was swimming.
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: I you know I'd get to go and help out and be the coach.
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: And then I went.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: When I went to the U of A, I actually my whole, my whole goal there was to be there as long as I possibly could.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: So I ended up being there for seven years and won college for seven years.
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: But the last two and a half were because I I was just having so much fun as a teaching I was.
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: I got a fellowship to teach there and I just absolutely loved it.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: And at the same time I was coaching the Arizona organization of disabled athletes swim team.
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: So I had a group of, I think eight to 10 at any given point, athletes that some of them were just learning how to swim because they it was good for their health and others were going to the Paralympics.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: So it was, it was a really cool, it was, it was an amazing experience.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: And then, ever since then, I was just, I was just hooked.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: I classify myself as more of a coach than anything else in life.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: Coaching is a blast.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: I, you know, I coach youth sports forever.
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: I played football in college, shot a donco Rico right there, I coached, I got done playing and then you know when.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Then, when your kids get to a certain age, I kind of decided to hate and it's important to get people who are actually qualified in their sport to coach them.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: So I hung up the cleats and then this, this, a lot business coaching, sales coaching found me, which I did not plan on doing, but, as I make sense, what I'm doing now, but it's got.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: It's so fun because you got to just be curious and listen and realize it's not my journey, it's their journey.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: And but what's so fun when you help people kind of see something they don't see.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: We see it or I see it because I've been, I've done it for a longer than they have.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: But we have to.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: You know the art is.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's art is making it their idea, or helping them make it their idea, so they see what's possible.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's a blast.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: I love coaching and I think I mean, when my kids get in college, I'd love to figure out a way to get back into it somehow.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just hung up my.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: I did the same thing as you.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: I coached my son.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: It really didn't matter to me what sport it was.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Like I played soccer growing up but I was.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: I was no soccer all star right, but I coached him from like the time he was four until he was 10 or 11.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: And then I, just I did.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I raised my hand, I was like I can't, I'm much better with the young ins.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: So then I got into, I coached both my daughters through their, through their you know, real young soccer through.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: I think when they were 10 is when I finally hung it up for Sophie.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: So last year, which was nice, I mean, it was a great way to be with them, it's a great way to hang out, it's a great way to teach leadership.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: And as long as I didn't come down on them, that was a thing Like if I, if I could keep my, my, my coaching to coaching and just being positive with them and being with them and excited and and teaching rather than coming down on them, then our relationship was fine.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: If I ever got into the you have to do this or you.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: You know, holy crap, I learned that lesson real early and it just, it wasn't, wasn't, wasn't good so no, I feel you.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: I feel you on that one.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Well, cool.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I want to.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I'd like to rewind the tape not today's tape, but just like life tape and understand what was life like growing up for you, paul, talk a little bit about you know growing up and then talk about how your parents shaped you than not your father.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: It's a great question.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've been asked that in a long time.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: So thank you, actually Thank you for asking that.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: That's going to help my parents.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: My parents are awesome.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: They're still together.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: My dad is 80.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I think he just turned 80.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: I'm 78.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Dad is struggling with Parkinson's right now, but it's he lives.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: They live 10 doors down and it's been a blessing because they moved down once he got, once he got that.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Growing up, my dad was my dad was the.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: He was the lecturer.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to start a kind of want to read a book.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: It's just lectures with dad Like he.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: My dad was a ridiculously hard worker and he also liked to tinker on everything.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: But his parent, his parenting style was was more okay, hang out with me, be with me, I'll teach you how to do things.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And then if there was any something, anything, something wrong, like it was, it was okay.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: We sit down at its lecture time and this is 45 minutes with pop on the couch, right and so great, great dad Like he.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: One of the things that actually shaped me I don't think he'll be upset with me sharing this is is he went through a period of pretty strong depression as well.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: So like he, and that was rough.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: That was rough.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: He was actually starting a business.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Started a business was stressed, the hill worked, his worked, his ass off, was working 80 to 100 hours a week, never seeing the kids right and and yeah, and he went through a period of depression which, which really helped me form I have that tendency in my life is to go down that route.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: So it helped me understand later in life, like what the heck that guy was doing.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't get it at that time, like I really didn't get what he was feeling.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: But he has been able to use that to kind of coach me through.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: My mom is my mom's a saint?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: She's?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I couldn't see that when I was younger that's probably from fourth grade to fourth grade to ninth grade, I think we fought every day Like I was just that strong willed kid that that anything that she said was going to be wrong and I just had to fight and I had to argue and she was wrong and I was right and this was stupid and and it was funny.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: One time I said I want to go live with my aunt.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: She goes fine, so the like, three weeks later I'm shipped out for three weeks to live with my aunt for for a three week or a month period, right?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: So she called my bullshit.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I hope I can say that on this.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: She called my BS and send me out.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: She was she's tough, she's kind, yeah.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: And now I counters I mean I count them both as two of my best friends, which is not everybody gets to say that and I get to, so I know how blessed I am.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: That's super cool you did.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Please tell me you apologize to mom.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, like yeah, well, I am.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: The other three won't say it, but I'm the black sheep right, I did apologize to mom, but I put them.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I gave her more gray hairs in my lifetime that I think the other three kids combined.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And so, yes, she, I apologize, I'm of the lawn, I am respectful.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am, no, ma'am.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: So karma is legit.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I'm a big karma guy, so Sophie, katelyn or Grady gonna make you pay.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, if I were gonna, if I were gonna guess now it would be number three.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: But I can't, I don't know.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: They're all, they're awesome.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: But she's just she is the.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: She's the third.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I was the third, she's the third.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: And she swings like I do like up and down, up and down.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So we'll see.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: We'll see what did tell me about mom and dad's jobs.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they actually went.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Some mom started out.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: She was a nurse, so she was.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: She was a nurse, labor and delivery.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: She always used to tell me that there's I was, the kids and dogs loved me and that was, and they actually do kids and dogs like.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: But I got that from from going to her with her baby classes like I always used to go to her when she used to teach the classes for the young moms and I'm this little six, seven, eight year old kid that was holding the babies and they would let me do that at that time.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: So it was pretty cool, like I actually I really like that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: And then dad was a.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: He was a pilot.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: He started off in the Navy and then he went to be a pilot and then got his.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: This is smart too.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: He got his MBA from Wharton and went into transportation for a while.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: He was one of the architects of the ideas around how you could run a hub and spoke type thing like FedEx did.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Then he got fed up with a big company and he went and started his own.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I was around fifth grade.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: They both joined forces and they started a print shop.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: They just wanted a commodity business that they could make shine, and they did.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It was really really hard on everybody involved, but over the period of like eight to 10 years they made that thing home Very cool.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Did your dad fly planes, then maybe yes.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you remember which one P2.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, my father-in-law shout out to Bruce Lovell.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: He flew the vigilante Ice and he flew on aircraft carriers.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, your dad told me I have your dad's top gun.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: What the hell?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, my dad was anti-submarine, so anti-submarine on the P2 and he would fly.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: He's in Vietnam, flew a bunch of missions.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: There Was in the Hanoi Hilton when that got attacked, yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: So he's got a lot of stories and it's actually a lot of fun now because he's got time to tell him, which I can sit down and we can just listen.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: The kids are getting exposed to him, so it's pretty cool.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember if I shared this with you then when we first spoke, but I lost my father December 29th 2021.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: He was 79, almost 80.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: About two weeks before he would have turned 80.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: He fought a long battle of just a rap sheet of health stuff.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: From when he mentioned depression.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was in and out of psych wards for 10 or 12 years.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I'd get phone calls from a fire department saying my dad's, you know asleep at the wheel at the stoplight or he's naked in the bathtub when there's smoke building out of his house.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: He's okay though.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: We got him and I'm like in my 20s dealing with stuff.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: So it was a long journey.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: But what was amazing is almost like his last probably five to six weeks of his life, the depression and dementia almost went away.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: He wasn't as well as depressed at the end, just dementia kicked in big time and the dementia was like he started remembering all these things and we we would just kind of get into character to let what he wanted to know.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: That was his reality and it had some just great last minute time.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: So I think I love that your kids are spending time with him because you know I lost my, my good coworker.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: She lost her dad to Parkinson's.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: So I always tell people, man, and you obviously just said that you do it.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: You said they're your best friends, like, just enjoy the time, because when it's gone it's gone, you know so yeah, that is I hope.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I hope it's not a good.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I mean that, yeah, I'm tearing up, I'm hoping it's not gone for a long time and it's.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: You know, that was one of I think I actually became an adult and became mature when I decided my, my parents weren't idiots, you know, and and welcomed them into my life.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: And I mean I know some people have parents that actually are idiots.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: But I, you know, mine, mine mine are absolutely not and I absolutely, yeah, cherish, cherish, the time with them.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: So it goes.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: It goes fast on both ends, like we're talking, it goes fast with the kids, it just it goes just as fast with my parents.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: It's just they moved down here like five years ago and that was like yesterday and yeah, it's wild.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I know it's brutal man that's.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: That's just stay present.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Dads, hopefully your list as you listen today you're taking some notes and already getting a lot of some thoughts or get more making you think about from our, my conversation with Paul today.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Paul, when you think about like the core values that were super important from your parents teaching you grown up, maybe tell me two or three that come to mind.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: And if you think of two or three, tell me a story that might come to mind where you had to learn some of those core values.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, great question, I've okay.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: So number one that I am continually, continually learning is discipline.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So, and and I guess what that means to me is not the discipline of, it's not, you know, disciplining your children or anything like that it's simply being able to show up again and again and again in the same way, so that the combination of discipline and perseverance like I actually hated it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: So here's the story.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I hated this concept because my dad was was extremely disciplined in going into when, with the new business that he started, right, he was completely disciplined.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: You'd go get up early, go in early, get stuff done.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: He'd go to work out at the club and then he'd go in and then he'd work hard and I saw him mentally and physically prosper from that for a long time and then he stopped right.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Then he had some issues with depression and all that stuff and he stopped and I never, I never knew why.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I would always ask my mom why did he stop?
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Why did he do this?
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Well, he's just not feeling.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Well, he's not this, he's not that I mean because at that time I was in the midst of my like massive.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I had to be incredibly disciplined.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I was a competitive swimmer.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I was waking up at five in the morning.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I was, you know, doing two a days all the time and I'd be like why did he?
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Why did he stop so?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And I've gone through periods as well, like it's like you just fall off a cliff.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: But I look at my life and I look at the.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: The lesson that I learned there, and it's the ability to keep showing up and to keep going, is really, really important, and so that is, I guess, the combination of discipline and perseverance.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: That was huge.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Second is telling the truth.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: This was, this was a massive thing, and I I could probably tell a better story from my me being a dad, but I'll relate it Like I remember.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I lied to my dad on a number of occasions.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Then I finally got caught in one and they you talk about making a memory.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: There's not.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of times when, not a lot of times when he would just you could see righteous anger, right, it would generally be.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: We generally sit down.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: He lectured, talked, he did.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: My older brother got, got yelled at.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't get as much yelling at.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I think he learned there right, but oh my gosh, when you lied and did not tell the truth.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: There was a righteous anger that came out of that man, right, and and I actually appreciate the heck out of it because I remember it right I remember sitting on that couch.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I remember probably the one of the only two times I had an F bomb dropped at me.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I distinctly remember the other time I had one on, but one of the only two times I had an F bomb dropped at me I was in a height, I was a ninth grader in high school and and it stuck and it was like and then he gave me he was able to give me a hug afterwards and that type of stuff, but it stuck and it was a memory of do not like whatever I do.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Right, come to him with the truth, because if I, if I don't, I know what's waiting for me, and if I do, I also know that he'll talk to me about it right.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So I've taken that in in a big way into my own parenting, which was like, as soon as the kids were old enough to know like I, I would make a memory around telling the truth if they didn't.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And but also, if they come to me with the truth, then it's about listening and it's about understanding and, yeah, they may have done something incredibly stupid, but we can talk that through and I can give grace and I can love and I can be mad.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I can also have righteous anger, right.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: But but, man, if they lie and they don't come to me with that, then there's gonna be a memory.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So discipline, and I'm only giving it to.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: But those are two really big ones from my, my dad, and I guess I'd give you one from my mom, which is just grace.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: This is kind of a hard story to tell, but I'll tell it anyways.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I was sitting at.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: It was one of the times my dad was really suffering with depression.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I, I like I said I had that tendency to, and I was working out a whole lot when I was I think I was a junior in high school and we're all sitting at the dinner table.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: There's only four of us and I don't want to say two words like I just don't want to say two words, I don't want to talk, I'm tired and my dad is, is really reaching out.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: He's trying, right, he's trying, but he's in, he's, he's depressed and I think it's not, and he's like so how's, how's swimming?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like fine, how's this?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Fine, I don't want to talk about it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Fine, he finally, at one point, just flips his shit, which I could understand, right, like, he just flips it, he's like, and he starts shaking.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: This was the only like.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: There's only like two or three times that I remember.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: He shakes me.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: He's like when I ask you a question, right Like, oh, my gosh, like what just happened and I, we have a blow up at each other and my mom.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Instead of flipping out, instead of like saying YouTube she lets us, she knows there's a line where neither of us going to cross.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And she, afterwards she comes to us and she, she gives me a hug, we talk, she says I love you, I forgive you, you, your dad and I need to have a sit down discussion.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: She did the same thing with my dad and it was just pure grace, like she had every reason to be so pissed at us and angry at us.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Hello everybody.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: My name is Craig Coe and I'm the senior vice president of relationship management for Beeline.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: For more than 20 years, we've been helping Fortune 1000 companies drive a competitive advantage with their external workforce.
• 31:49
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• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I get asked all the time what did Casey do for your organization?
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: And I say this it's simple.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: The guy flat out gets it.
• 32:03
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• 32:04
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• 32:10
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• 32:19
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• 32:25
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• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Now let's get back to today's episode.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: But after that we sat down and we didn't want to, he didn't want to, I didn't want to.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: We sat down and, like we talked it through, we ended up crying and you end up hugging each other and telling each other you love her, but without that grace that she had and initiating that, it's a big deal.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: That is.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Exhibit A Paul, sorry Dad's, throw us All in Blast why the woman species is way more powerful than us.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I mean to have the emotional wherewithal, you know.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Leadership, vision, calmness, and I grace is one of my favorite words.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I literally have a big box around it.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I have it actually twice.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Once is number three, but then once when you talked about listening, understanding and telling the truth.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: So shout out to your mom what a magical woman to do that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot to unpack there, my man, you know, I think I think depression hits everybody, hits every family.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I think I'd be surprised if it doesn't hit in, you know, I think, as you know, when my dad went through it, sometimes it's, it's hard to reason with the unreasonable, it doesn't make sense, like what's going on, like, and I'm such a like how you describe your dad is, I think, how I am.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I'm a show up guy, I'm a very structured workout habits.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: You know, playing football in college I had.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: It was like okay, left here, do that, run here I got, throw this, throw this many footballs a day, be my buddy here, do this.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: You know, and like, thankfully not going to.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: That's carried me through, you know, for almost 48 years of life and I'm hoping that carries me all the way to the century mark, if I can make it that far.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: But and my dad was a dad, so I joke in like business and I teach these like swear words.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: So people think swear words are thinking like oh, f bomb, it's cool, we can drop some F bombs at work.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm like my swear words are need to, should, to, want to, have to and can't.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: In my mind those words are phrases only create anxiety and zero action and actually they create more stress for us because now we put this pressure on ourselves like, well, I need to start working out or I need to start doing that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Well then in my mind I just didn't say you will write, I will do this with.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: And it's amazing when you say I mean I got goosebumps, I said that you get clarity now and I can go do something.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: My dad was the opposite.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: He was always a need to have to guy and I just I couldn't wrap my mind around and so, like I had to have grace, at the end of the book I wrote shameless self plug.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: There I wrote about, you know when, the relationship with my dad, not the dementia I never was going to beat dementia, but once I kind of just surrendered to that, wow, my relationship got better with him because I had grace, I had I could be present, I could listen.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: So, as you, when your pops went through it and you mentioned you know you've.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: You've had challenges as well.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe talk, talk through what are some things that you've done that might speak to other dads at home who might be going through that.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe what's what's worked, what worked for you in your pops, what's worked for you, if you feel comfortable sharing.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you mind if I share a little lead up story.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I guess I think it would maybe, maybe helpful I, because I'm going to agree with you on those words.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Can you say those again, by the way?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Need to need, need to, should do, want to have to and can't.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Those are my five swear words.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm going to make a poster because that's actually I think it's a symptom of when I get, when I've got into that depressive state in my life.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Right, it is a, those are the words that come out, and so, and I absolutely think it's a symptom and it's so I struggled with.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I'll go back to my swimming and athletics and that type of stuff.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: So I played a lot of soccer growing up, found myself getting hit in the head a lot Turns out.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I needed really big glasses, which I have on right now.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I ended up, you know, getting the water and then swimming and then, after I stopped swimming, I ended up diving into dinda rugby, which didn't wear my glasses there.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: So it took a lot of shots to the head.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Long, long way of saying I've had a, had a lot of concussions in like a whole lot of them in my lifetime.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: And then I had a particularly bad one actually when I was 35 playing pickup basketball, and at that time in my life I was dad.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I had had, you know, two kids.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: My oldest, or just, yeah, just had to.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: My oldest was for my wife was pregnant.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I go into this for the next six weeks.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I literally can't.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I can't do anything, like I am, just I'm going to bed at like six, waking up at, waking up at 10.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: You know, I just can't.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I can't see straight, my eyes are all blurry.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't even, didn't even think that it was because of the concussion, right, because it was just like get up, and so I'm trying to work, work my way through it.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: And then at one, one day, I literally called my wife and I can remember where I was.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I was on Cleveland Avenue in Columbus, and I called her and I said I don't know how I got here.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I had no clue how I got there.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know what I'm doing here.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I'm in the car, I'm driving, and she's like get your ass home right now, yes, ma'am.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: So so I finally and I was trying to keep working I was, I was actually owned a business.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I was a partner with three other guys in a business.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: So I was president of a company.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: We're doing sales as a service and we just kicked off a digital marketing firm and we also had software business.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm trying to push my way through this, all of a sudden I the doctor says no, you're shut down.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: So I'm shut down and and I don't know what the hell to do.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: You know so I am in an absolute dark room, dark place, and this becomes my metaphor for for kind of depression Like that's.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: That's where I was.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: It was, it was like literally in a dark room for for six weeks.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: They at the time, and at the time they were giving me.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: They gave me.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: This was not a good combination, but the doctor went to said here, yeah, have have pain pills plus, if you get a migraine coming on because of this, because you here's a pain pill, here's a Benadryl and here's a Gatorade, go, take that.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Well, you tell that to somebody that's sitting in their own thoughts for bad idea, right?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: So I got stuck in a cycle there for a while that just was absolutely, absolutely depressive and and I had it happen again five years.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: So I get out of that, I start, I start to recover and I start to feel better, but the migraines never really go away and I actually keep on getting worse for the next five years.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: And when I hit, hit, hit, it was 2017.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I'm still I'm now, you know president of a company.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: We had grown it to a big, a good size.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: At least you know what I thought about 100 people were doing great.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: And my wife comes to me.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: She goes I feels like you have an affair.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: You are not present ever with me, ever or with the kids.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I was snapping at my kids, I was bad dad I was.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I was never present at work.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: And she said that and I went.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: The next day I went to my partner's.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I said I have to, we have to change something.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know what this is, but my wife just said a fair and me and those two words together, that is not OK.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: And so I ended up.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I ended up needing to leave the business because I was like, ok, I'm just going to focus on health, thinking that was a good thing.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I immediately went into a massive, like a massive spiral.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I go from being the president of a company thinking I'm big, big dog, to nothing when I in my mind, right, until I finally realized there was two things that really helped me out and this is a long story, but two things that I think you help me out.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Number one I had a friend that came to me and he gave me this really simple phrase.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: He said, paul, he goes, you're in the darkness, one candle.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: One candle takes the darkness away.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And that hit me so hard, like it absolutely just destroyed me, like it was one of those.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thank you, thank you, lord.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I can like one thing a day, and so I became a practice, this practice of gratitude.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: One thing, it didn't have to be everything, I could be in the complete shit with everything else, but one thing a day.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: And that was one of the kindest things and gentlemen by the name of Mike Moses said that to me and the kindest things have ever said to me.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: The second was I had my son, and this was one of the most.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I'm a man of faith, I love God, I'm a Christian, that's how I operate, so I say it's a God thing.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: All right, my son.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I had snapped at him one day and he was on the bus.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: He was getting ready for the bus and he was in tears and he was like but I'm going to be late, I'm going to be late, I'm going to be late, I'm going to be late.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: And he kept on saying this to me I don't care.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I yelled at him.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: It's like I don't care if you're going to be late, just shut up, or something like that.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I was not kind.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: It was one of the most unkind things I've ever said in my life.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: He breaks down at tears and he says this little kid looks up at me and goes dad, I forgive you Again.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Right then, and there I broke down in tears.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: So to start the conversation, like you asked about the depression thing right, depression is not a battle against, at least in my life, it's a tendency that I lean towards.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I lean towards the negative, I lean towards the, and the symptoms are exactly that.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: When I hear myself saying I should do want to need to have to right, or if I look at myself comparing to somebody else, those are my symptoms that it's like, oh my gosh, and I've kept that habit of lighting a candle.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: And then I look at my son and I don't physically light a candle every day.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: One thing to be thankful, that's all you got to latch onto.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: And that thing can be tiny, it could be massive.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: And then every day I have that reminder right now of my son because I look at him every day with his grace to say I forgive you.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: And there's, I shouldn't be forgiven, like that's, that's grace, right?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: He had no, no reason to forgive.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Marcy Stout, ceo and co-founder of Rebel Coach, a consulting and coaching company dedicated to cultivating leadership, building cohesive teams and fostering well-being in the workplace.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: At Rebel Coach, collaboration is one of our core principles, which is why I'm excited that Casey Jaycox and I are partnering together to host a monthly mastermind called the Intentional Sales Leader Mastermind, where leaders can share ideas, exchange insights and gain valuable knowledge from industry experts.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: It's our promise to you that joining our mastermind will provide practical insights on how to use curiosity and humility to build relationships while exceeding revenue expectations.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: We'll also teach techniques so you can stay committed to priorities like family health and, quite frankly, things that bring daily joy.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: You can learn more about me and my work at rebelcoachcom and, if you want to work with us and other sales leaders who are committed to results both personally and professionally, visit Casey Jaycoxcom for more information on the intentional sales leader mastermind.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Now let's get back to the podcast.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Cause I was an asshole, right, I was being a bad dad and he did, and so, like when I struggle on those that trajectory, it's a matter of trying to catch myself and take my thoughts captive and actually focus on those things and not on.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Not on what I should be, or how successful I should be, or what I've given up, or what, what I don't have, or how I you know, that's all BS anyways, you know well, paul, I, I am grateful for your vulnerability.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: My man, I'm grateful for sharing that.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Um, when I started this podcast nearly four and a half years ago, the goal was to have these types of conversations, to get dads open up to realize that I mean our time, our kids could give two shits what we do.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: We think we're like, oh yeah, your dad did that.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: They don't really, really know, and if they, they think it's cool.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: It's cool for a frickin five minutes and then they go on to their buddies.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: What's important is what we're talking about in my mind, like, are we being as real as we can?
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Are we showing up?
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Are we being our authentic self?
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Are we being vulnerable, known Like we all got, we're all flawed, every one of us.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've yet to meet the perfect person.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Um, when you're talking about that story of forgiveness, I um, there's a.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I would say I'm a, I'm a, I am a.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I'm a person of faith, but not, like I would say, religious faith, let per se, I don't go to churches, but I'm very spiritual, I have gratitude practice, I'm.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I believe people are met for met.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I believe we meet people for a reason.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I just had too many of these serendipity moments.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: But this one book I read it was I think it's more of a faith based book by a gentleman on a states, by Richard Case, on forgiveness, and it's a difference between forgiveness and reconciliation, and it was really a powerful book.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I read it.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: So forgiveness takes one, reconciliation takes two.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: So in any theory, like you know, we, anybody can forgive, because forgiveness all does is it gets that negativity out of you.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: But forgiveness takes both.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Of us, you know, and I think sometimes we're.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: When I learned is like there might be some in your life that might has bring in negative energy to you or it just it's constant stress.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: We'll forgive them, but then just you don't have to spend time with them.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: That's a choice, yeah, and that's okay.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: But I think once I kind of learned that and kind of give myself grace of like, okay, I, I just take time from this scenario, this environment for a while before it and where it worked.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: So I don't know for those scoring at home, there might be a book you want to check out, but I love, I love that you shared that story, man.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's powerful and I hope that there's a dad at home listening or a mom or somebody that says is inspired by it, and we'll make sure you're they know how to connect with you following this episode in case you can be of support to them.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: So I think it's really, really powerful stuff.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I'll mention, like I was excited.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: It's a great podcast because it gives you a chance to just give you a chance to be real.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I think that's what you're like.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I'm a.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I had a like a high school youth group I don't have a volunteer and with it and was able to go to camp with, with some of these kids I can.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I can.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Honestly, the most important thing was just being real, right, and not being manufactured, not being anybody else, and what you are and what you're you know.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got into that.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I got some crazy stuff when I was high school or hey, you know.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: So just being able to to talk with them and just be there and be present.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: So I love, I love this that you're helping give tools to dads and to be able to do that be present with your kids and be present with your kids friends, right, just, and it's not like I need to hang out with them, I'm not going to be the cool guy.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: There's not a chance that anyone will accept me.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Anyone of those kids will say that, yeah, that's the cool guy, you know, but but I'm with them and I care and it's like that's.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: That's.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: The only thing I've really learned is why do candle be with their kids and care?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that goes back to you know, full full circle to, about your, your podcast, the art and science.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's the art and science relationship.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: It's that's the art of doing it.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: It's it's do you remember the little things?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Do you?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Do you ask questions?
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Are you showing up?
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Are you can they feel like you really care, like you're asking a question, you're looking in the eye, or you ask a question, you're looking on your phone or you've not.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: You know so many different things go into what you, what you shared.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: You know, one of the questions I like asking dads is kind of like a.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: You know we've got talked a lot about you know your, your, your story, but one of the one of the one of the other questions I like asking dads that I think it can make us all relate a little bit is an area of our dad game that we know maybe isn't quite where we want it, but we will commit to, to working hard to find ways to to attack those.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe ups and downs, and I'll lead my witness here.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: For me, as a competitive person, my gap is patience, but I feel like having these conversations weekly with dads and or you know, I listen, go back and listen to an episode we did.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: It's like free therapy for me.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: So for me, selfishly sorry, just gave away my secret to everybody, but you know it's helped my patience and I'm finding that you know, in the end my kids aren't doing things to piss me off on purpose.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: You know these environments.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I find myself in no one's, no one's waking up saying, man, how can I ruin Casey's day?
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: That was my goal.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: You know no one's doing that right.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: But I could self, I could create that story in my head and then freak out for no reason, which no one wins.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I look like an idiot.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I create more negative energy for people.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: It's a lose, lose all around.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: So, like, along with an answer, that's my gap for you.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Tell me what comes to mind of an area of your dad game that you're working hard to become that better ultimate quarterback leader in your home.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: That might relate more with dads at home.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, two, just two things.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: One is with is actually with my wife, and it is just being more responsive than present.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Like there are things that I just hate doing.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I hate stacking the.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: It's simple stuff, I just I hate it, though, like I am not a dishwasher guy, I can't stand it, I don't like to rinse my plates that's why we have a dishwasher, you know.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: But it's also something that that it's very simple things that I it actually, if I take the time to do it, it actually helps me to be present with my wife and she likes it.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Like she actually enjoys the small things like that.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: And it's like, if I wait a second, am I that much of a selfish a-hole that I can't like actually give her some enjoyment by these stupid little things, like I even but even by calling it stupid, I probably got a lot of reaction there but by these little things that I just don't care about, like I really don't, but but I care about it because she does, and this is a recent thing for me.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: So that why is that in parenting?
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Well, because I think two of us it's really helpful to have two of us on the same page and just those little things actually get us on the same page with my kids.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what the word is and you're going to have to help me with the word, but I really need, especially as my son is going into you know he's 15, yeah, athletic kid and all this stuff.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's expect.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have unrealistic expectations or put my expectation on him other than the only expectation that I want to put on him and my daughters in this athletic or academic is that you're using your gifts to the best of your ability, as you're, as you're made to do them right.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: But I don't want to put the expectation of you have to be this or you have to be that or you have to like, because, frankly, I don't care.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: But it just comes out.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: It's like oh, did you play last night?
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, did you play?
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Did you do that?
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I mean like, oh, wait, you're injured.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Wait a second.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Aren't you going to get back in the field soon?
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: I would have been back in the field soon.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I'd have been back on the field.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Wait a second.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: What the hell just happened there, you know, because it doesn't matter.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: What it matters is that I mean that I, I help them and trust them to be the best they can and you know and use those gifts, but I don't know the right word for that case.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe you could help me with that.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: But I know that I'm working on it.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I think you nailed it.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I think it is expectations on acts.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: There's a great gentleman Shout out to Bruce Brown who is, I think, the goat of all goats of coaching, of wisdom.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to meet him in person.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to spend five hours at his house.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: He was on I can't remember exactly what episode, but I'll make sure his episode is linked in the show notes.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: They run a company called Proactive Coaching and Bruce they've done speaking for high school coaches, college coaches.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: He wrote an article called the Car Right Home, which I've talked about previous episodes.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: He spent time with a few of these people.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: You might have heard of a guy named John Wooden, a Dick Vermeel, coach Shashevsky, dean Smith, a Dickie Vermeel, buck Yeoneel, and he's a beast and he has so much wisdom on trust and confidence and communication and he'd be a guy I would definitely research and look up.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: He's easy to follow and they have some really, really good content.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I get nothing for sharing him, other than he's had an impact on my life as a father and I'll still reach out to him if I'm stuck and like what would coach do?
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: The thing that really floored me when I met him is when so he read my book.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: He got 75, 76 years old Now that was not my target audience, a 76 year old guy at the end of his career but he read it.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Without me knowing it he goes.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Casey man, I really love what you wrote about.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I think these six principles you talk about can really impact coaches and high school coaches and teachers and I'd love to share it with my Facebook group.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: But you know what?
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I want to read it one more time to make sure I didn't miss anything.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: And, dude, when he said that Paul, it was like wow, I am so far from his level, the fact that he's at that age stage of his life and he has that intentfulness, intentionality around learning and growth.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: It was just like the most humbling, like a humble sandwich, like I was just like you know, when you get the car gets squished at the dump, whatever that thing is.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I was that car just getting squished, like bro, you got so far to go.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: But it was like inspiring too.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: So he'd be a guy that would just follow some of his the work they do.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: They have a Facebook group, they have LinkedIn.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: He's on LinkedIn, him and his friend named Rob Frank and Rob Slas named Rob's.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I'll find it too, but Rob and Bruce are studs.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: So that's one of the interesting things about getting older Like I'm finding that I don't look up to as much the people that have gained wealth and power and fame.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I look to guys like that, like the people that can be in a moment and be there and present and give wisdom and their habits and what they do to get there, like I don't care if they made millions of dollars or they made six right or you know, same thing, it's just so.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I will absolutely check out his stuff and that sounds awesome.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: And you are.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: You're getting there, man, don't squish yourself in that trash confetti.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I love your stuff.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, as before we get into the lightning round and before we make sure we can learn all about you and membrane and your podcast, I always like to go.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I like to summarize what we've talked about.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: So dad's, a home can kind of take away actionable tasks.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: They can take from episode you know two or three things that come to mind that would summarize in your mind what we talked about that dad's can take these two or three things to become that ultimate or better leader of their home.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Tell me what comes to mind.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Started out.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: If you have a partner, you have a wife, love them, be grateful for them, invest in them.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: That's one of the biggest things you could possibly do ever for your kids.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Second, be present.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Be present with the kids.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: And third, I think the lessons from my mom and dad are grace, discipline and truth.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Those are three that I just you can't go wrong with them.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: It sounds cliche, but you can't go wrong.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: And then, lastly, if you're struggling number one if you're struggling, I'm not a savior, but I'm happy to talk to anybody that's struggling, right?
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I just think that that's one of the things that we got to do is dad.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: So, if you're struggling, reach out to somebody and to light that candle, right, and it's just that one thing.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Light that candle and look at the creations of your kids around you and be so thankful for them because they are.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: They couldn't be here without you.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: They're not perfect, they're not going to be perfect ever, right, but being able to be grateful and thankful for that.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, light that candle.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Gold, my man Gold.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, Tell us about membrane.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Talk about your role as a chief revenue officer.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: If people are inspired and they want to learn more about you, they want to learn more about membrane and your podcast as well.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Tell us the best way to learn more about what you guys do.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: So membranecom M-E-M-B-R-A-I-Ncom like the brain in your head, we are a sales optimization platform, often confused as a CRM, but we are actually.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: We're helped do everything relative to for salespeople to help them set up the right processes and methodology that they need to be able to do to succeed on a daily basis, and then do that in a software that actually helps them instead of just forces them to enter data.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: So and we do this by I'm extremely blessed I get to partner with about 130 of the best sales trainers, coaches, mentors, crr, chief revenue officer, fractional guys in the world.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: So I have just this amazing network of people that have to see the value of building a methodology and training into a software and be able to do that really easily and then have that delivered on demand.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: So I get to work with these guys every day and our goal is to elevate the sales profession.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: We have a very different goal than a lot of platforms out there.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Our vision is really to do that to elevate the sales profession, and what we mean by that is sales is a sales is a noble profession.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: My man, casey, you've been in it for a long time.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: It's a profession that has a terrible name.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: That is extremely noble and extremely helpful once you get down to it, because, at the heart of it, a great sales person has to be a leader.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: They have to lead someone to a shared vision.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: They have to be a servant.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: They have to help people get the things they need, even if they don't know they need them.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: And they need to be a wayfinder, which is they mean.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: They have to be a path to everybody getting together and doing this together.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: So it's a great sales person does those things well, and a really great sales person is a great leader of their family, of their community and more.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Our vision is to elevate the sales profession, and so that's a part of what the art and science of complex sales does.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: And as a podcast that I get to run and it's awesome, I can't wait.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: I think you're on it, we've recorded, it's going to be out here in the future, in a couple of months, but I am talking with the best of the best in terms of the sales world and I'm so excited to do it because they're they're awesome.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: So that's what the podcast does.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Getting ahold of me, paul Dot Fuller at membranecom I'm on LinkedIn, my cells on LinkedIn.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I'm easy to get ahold of, just connect with me if you'd like and I'll talk.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: I'll talk being a dad.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I'll talk membrane.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I'll talk sales.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: I'll talk whatever you want to talk.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I generally believe in the power of connection and relationship.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Love it, my man.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: I think that's why you and I met.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: We have definitely similar values with that and thought processes, and I will make sure everything is tagged in the show notes so that people can learn and connect and hopefully we get some some.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: If there's a CRO or sales leader out there that says, man, how did I not know about this guy?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you do now and we'll make sure that you guys can connect.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Now it's time to go into the lightning round.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: At the very end of each episode where I go completely random, I too have had a few concussions.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: I'll show you how I've taken maybe too many hits in college not bong hits, but football hits and my job is to ask these questions quickly.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Your job is to answer them quickly, but my ultimate goal is to try to get a giggle out of you.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's rock Do.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I try to keep a straight face.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: That's your goal, but my job is to try to break it.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Are you ready?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, true or false, being a competitive swimmer, you still wear a speedo at work, true, wow, I thought I was going to get out of the game that one, but he stayed.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: He stayed.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: True, you guys.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: You guys can't see him.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: I can.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, if there was to be a wrestling match between the Redhawk and the Wildcat, who's going to win?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Wildcat?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, bear down.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: If you were to book a vacation right now, tell me where you and your wife are going Michigan, michigan, lake Michigan, yep, lake Michigan, upper Peninsula.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: As a Columbus guy, upper Peninsula.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Yup UP Upper Peninsula.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Michigan.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's actually on my list, but I've been telling my wife recently how I'd like to go to Lake Michigan because when we fly over it's massive.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's amazing.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: It's amazing Upper Peninsula is.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I actually have been.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I haven't all been all the way up into the UP, but I want to go absolutely wild.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: No cell service, anything two weeks out in the wilderness on the lake of Lake.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Michigan.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: If we went into your phone right now, what would be one song that would shock your kids that you listened to?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I just keep this straight face.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: I, truthfully, I have some Eminem on my.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I have some Eminem, the real Slim Shady, on my phone.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Impressive.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Are they going to go to the Humpty Dance or something?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: No, shake it up, no.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe a little MC Hammer in the Lies.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: I could yeah, I could do this Solid music as well.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: If I was to come to your house for dinner, tell me what we would have tonight.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, pulled pork Smoked Pulled pork.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: It was fantastic.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: I made it over a weekend, don't know, I was on Smoker you know pulled pork sandwiches, Love it.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: If there was to be a book written about your life, tell me the title.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Dazed and confused In progress.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I would call it in progress because it's still in life.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: I got a life in progress, or light a candle, that would be the other.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: That would be.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I think I'd go with light a candle.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, I love it.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Now light a candle.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Is gaining momentum, it's like an avalanche and it's everybody wants to read it.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Everybody is reading it, and now Hollywood has heard about it, and now we you as the casting director, paul get to cast yourself in this critically acclaimed new movie hitting every freaking platform out there.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: So tell me which Hollywood actor will star you in this amazing new movie?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Light a candle.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Daniel Craig Okay.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: I like the idea of James Bond being me.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: DC, you got a shout out.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Okay and last question Tell me two words that describe your wife.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Amazingly beautiful, now just amazing person.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's a great, great two words.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I love her.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: There we go, the lighting round's over.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: We both win.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: You had a giggle, but you definitely trumped my first question.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: I thought I would get a giggle out of you and we're not going to ask you to stand up because I don't want to see the speedo.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Well played, well played, thank you, well played, thank you.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out to Latitude Sika, my friend and colleague, and gentlemen of the Alaskan wilderness up in Sika, I'll ask if you don't know what they are, check them out.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Latitude Sikacom, latitude 57.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: They have this amazing piece of property.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: They have an island.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: I actually went up there in June On this island.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: There I have these amazing cottages.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: They have a place for fellowship where you kind of hang out, but the views are fantastic, the fishing is fantastic, the hot springs are great.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: If you go off, you can do that.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: We actually went jet skiing in 40-something degree water Frozen my baguettes off but had so much fun.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: If you're looking for a place to take your team, take a 40 birthday party, some kind of big celebration, go check them out.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: I don't regret it.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: It was fantastic.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: I don't get any money for them hyping them up because I wanted them to decide to sponsor this podcast.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: I was three and a half years ago.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I want to go authentically talk about it and hopefully you're feeling my energy because I had so much fun.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: All right, thank you, sir, for spending time with us on this episode.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for you and thanks for how you showed up today.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of other dads will get a lot out of our episode today.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: I appreciate your brother.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Thank you, I appreciate you.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks.