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Key Witness or Co-Conspirator: Did rode queen mistress bludgeon mom Kelsey Berreth to death in bloodbath? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Today on Crime Stories, we had to Colorado. Chrystal Lee
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Speaker 1: played guilty to a Class six felony tampering with physical evidence.
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Speaker 1: We have postponed sentencing until after any hearings or trials
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Speaker 1: are done on any other related matters, certainly that would
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Speaker 1: include the Patrick Frazy charges at this time, by our
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Speaker 1: agreement that she will not be sentenced until after all
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Speaker 1: trials are completed. Joining Nancy Grace, Darryl Cohen, former assistant
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Speaker 1: DA Fulton County, Georgia, James shell Nutt twenty seven years
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Metro Major Case Detective SWAD Officer, retired, Karen Stark, psychologist,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Professor of Forensics and author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet, and Alexis Terris Chuck from
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Speaker 1: Radar Online. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Turns out there
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Speaker 1: was another woman in Patrick's life, a former Idaho Rodeo
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Speaker 1: queen named Crystal Lee. What did Crystal say about Patrick?
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Speaker 1: Was she in love with him? I think she was
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Speaker 1: to a point. Michelle Stein says her best friend Crystel,
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Speaker 1: confided in her about a disturbing conversation Crystel and Patrick
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Speaker 1: had before Kelsey disappeared. She had told me that he
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Speaker 1: had asked her to take care of his baby mama,
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Speaker 1: and you took that and she too, So I was like, well,
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Speaker 1: I was in shock first because people who says that?
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Speaker 1: And she said, yeah, he asked me if I would
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Speaker 1: kill the mother of his baby. Michelle says she pushed
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Speaker 1: Cristel to call the police, but she didn't, and neither
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Speaker 1: did Michelle. I kept telling her the thing, you need
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Speaker 1: to call and tell somebody. I'm trusting her to do
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Speaker 1: the right thing. But I think Michelle, people watching will
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Speaker 1: say call the police, say Alan to talk to my friends.
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Speaker 1: Someone's asking her to kill someone. You're right, of course
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Speaker 1: I regret it. I regret it every day. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at CBS forty eight hours, Nikki Battista the
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Speaker 1: case of Kelsey bear At, the twenty nine year old
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Speaker 1: young mom brutally murdered, her body never found, her boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: Patrick Frazy, her so called fiance, the father of the
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Speaker 1: little baby, heading to trial. It's happening now. You're just
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Speaker 1: hearing our friends at CBS forty eight hours, and reportedly
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend the fiance having a sex affair with a
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Speaker 1: Rodeo Queen Crystal, Jean Lee Kenny, Alexa Trreschuk, investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: with Radar Online dot Com. Alexis, will she end up
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Speaker 1: taking the fall at trial? No, the girlfriend's not gonna
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Speaker 1: take the blame. He's going to take the blame. She
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Speaker 1: has already coming on. She's best that she helped throw
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Speaker 1: out the cell phone. She has turned states withness. She
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Speaker 1: will get punished, but she is totally helping the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: and she's going to get him in trouble. She is
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Speaker 1: not going to take the blame for this Martin. Well,
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Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, I tell you why, I
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Speaker 1: think that they may very well try to frame the girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen again to our friends at CBS. Forty
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Speaker 1: eight hours after Kelsey vanished, authorities tracked down Crystal, and
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Speaker 1: when they offered her a deal in exchange for her
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Speaker 1: testimony against Patrick, she told an incredible story. She admits
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Speaker 1: to cleaning up the crime scene and tells a prosecution
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Speaker 1: the whole entire story of what happened. There's poison coffee,
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Speaker 1: there's a metal baseball bat, scented candles, a blindfold, phones
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Speaker 1: that are pinging all over Colorado and in Idaho, Crystal
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Speaker 1: told authorities Patrick tried to get her to kill Kelsey
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Speaker 1: three different times and each time she chickened out. Then
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Speaker 1: she says it was Patrick who killed Kelsey. In exchange
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Speaker 1: for her testimony against Patrick Freezy, she agreed to plead
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Speaker 1: guilty to evidence tampering versus a more serious charge. So
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Speaker 1: right now she only faces a max of three years
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Speaker 1: in prison, but the trial's coming up. If her story
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Speaker 1: falls apart, that deal is off the table. Yeah, the
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Speaker 1: trial's coming up now, the case heading to a jury trial.
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Speaker 1: You know, to Darrell Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney
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Speaker 1: in the Atlanta jurisdiction, Darryll, I mean she said, well,
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Speaker 1: three different times he talked to me about killing Kelsey.
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Speaker 1: Every time I quote chickened out. When you chicken out,
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Speaker 1: that kind of means that you've said you do it,
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Speaker 1: then you back out, not that you always refused. So
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Speaker 1: she's got a problem. Not only that she cleaned up
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Speaker 1: the crime scene and threw away the cell phones. It
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Speaker 1: makes her look guilty, Daryl makes her extremely guilty, which
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Speaker 1: means that when she changed her little story and turned
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Speaker 1: into a witness, that's what she did to save herself.
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Speaker 1: And when you talk about is her story going to
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Speaker 1: hold up or is it going to fall apart? It
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Speaker 1: depends on how truthful she is, because Nancy, you and
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Speaker 1: I always know that if you tell the truth, you
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Speaker 1: don't ever have to remember what you said. It may
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Speaker 1: come out a little differently, it will always come out
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Speaker 1: the same. So she's got a problem and she's trying
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Speaker 1: to correct that problem. Not that I wouldn't have killed him.
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Speaker 1: I just got scared what would happened to me. So
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Speaker 1: I'm good with her testimony as long as it's consistent.
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Speaker 1: You know what. James shell Nutt, twenty seven years Metro
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Speaker 1: Major case detective swat officer, now lawyer. You know I've
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Speaker 1: said to Minia jury, James, sometimes you got to go
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Speaker 1: to hell to get your witnesses to put the devil
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Speaker 1: in jail. And that's just what they got to do
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Speaker 1: right now. Maybe before she met this guy, Patrick Frazy,
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Speaker 1: maybe she was an nice lady. But she's in it
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Speaker 1: up to her eyballs. I mean, i'd have to put
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Speaker 1: her on the stand and whole my nose getting her testimony. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she's she's a necessary evil in this case. And I
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Speaker 1: believe that the defense is absolutely gonna point the finger
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Speaker 1: at her. It's going to be interesting to see that
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Speaker 1: all the theories they come up with. But you know,
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Speaker 1: she's definitely not a good person, Nancy. I mean, if
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Speaker 1: you think about this, she knew for months. You know,
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Speaker 1: back in September of last year. Uh reportedly is the
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Speaker 1: first time that this Freesday guy attempted to solicit her
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Speaker 1: to kill Kelsey. And so she knew for months that
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Speaker 1: Keeltzy's life was in danger. She knew for months that
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Speaker 1: that mother, that daughter, that that beautiful human being that
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Speaker 1: she was, that she was probably going to be murdered
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Speaker 1: at the hands of the psychopath. And she sat there
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Speaker 1: and did nothing. And then not only did she do nothing,
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Speaker 1: she participated in cleaning up the crime scene. And you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you've seen these like I have. You know, someone getting
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Speaker 1: murdered with a ball bat and being beat in the
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Speaker 1: head with a ballpat is a very gruesome thing, from
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Speaker 1: the blood to the brain mire to the school fragments.
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Speaker 1: This is not something where she walks in with a
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Speaker 1: couple of wet wipes and cleans up the apartment. This
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Speaker 1: is a gruesome crime scene. To that to take in
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Speaker 1: a cell phone eight hundred miles away to another state
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Speaker 1: just so that it looked like the victim was there.
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Speaker 1: To a whole host of things. She's a bad person.
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Speaker 1: She was in this up to our eyeballs, and she's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a questionable witness. Okay. I just had to
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Speaker 1: pull away from the right because you made me start laughing.
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Speaker 1: James shellnutt to Joseph Scott Morgan. I'll tell you why,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics jacksonvill State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. When Shellnut just says, it's not like
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Speaker 1: she went in there and with a couple of wet wipes.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's right. This was a major, major
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Speaker 1: crime scene clean up. I'm coming to you. You're the
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Speaker 1: forensics expert, explain what the crime scene was like. Because
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Speaker 1: remember Joseph Scott Morgan, as if you would forget, which
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Speaker 1: you would not. When Kelsey Beareth a young mama just
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Speaker 1: twenty nine, she did it all. Wasn't she a pilot? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she was a female pilot. She just bought her own condo,
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Speaker 1: no help from him or anybody else. Was raising her
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Speaker 1: baby girl all by herself. I guess. Patrick Phrasey would
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Speaker 1: drive by every once in a while drop off some pampers.
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Speaker 1: But long story short, her bodies had never been found,
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Speaker 1: but the crime scene speaks volumes. When Kelsey Beret's brother
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Speaker 1: came to the house to look for Kelsey, he didn't
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Speaker 1: notice anything was wrong. So what did they find? Joe Scott? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, the thing about it is is that at
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Speaker 1: a at a trace level, where things are not necessarily
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Speaker 1: easily found with the unaided eye, you can go in
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Speaker 1: there with agents such as blue star and luminol and
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Speaker 1: those sorts of things. Well, wait a minute, wait a minute. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we know you're smart, Joe Scott, but dummy down from me,
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Speaker 1: explain what blue star is. Well, listen, a lot of
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Speaker 1: folks don't understand that. You know, our blood actually contains
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Speaker 1: certain elements that when when we attempt to wipe them away,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't always disappear. So we use what is referred
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Speaker 1: to as a blood re agent, and this kind of
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Speaker 1: breathe life into these things that have been attempted to
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Speaker 1: clean be cleaned up, and it brings them to life.
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Speaker 1: And what's really cool about this is that when you
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Speaker 1: splits these agents such as a blue star or a luminol,
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Speaker 1: which are reagents, they lumines and blue star, as the
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Speaker 1: name implies, creates this kind of blue glow and it
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Speaker 1: can actually be photographed. And not only that, but you
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Speaker 1: can photograph a photographic and if you examine the photographs
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Speaker 1: very carefully, you can actually pick up on patterns, things
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Speaker 1: like high velocity impacts pattern You can find things, for instance,
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Speaker 1: like passive drips where someone has held like something an
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Speaker 1: instrument like a baseball bat and the blood has kind
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Speaker 1: of dripped off the end of it. Even after you
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Speaker 1: have attempted to clean up this area, and the fact
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Speaker 1: that the brother went back and he didn't see anything
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Speaker 1: with the unaided eye gives me an indication that this
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Speaker 1: individual it's been a protracted period of time attempting to
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Speaker 1: clean this area up because Nancy, listen, I've cleaned up
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Speaker 1: a lot of blood in my days working in the morgue.
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Speaker 1: It's not an easy undertaking. It takes you have to
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Speaker 1: have the right equipment, you have to have the right
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Speaker 1: tools at your disposal, and you have to have time
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Speaker 1: in order to do it thoroughly. So that gives us
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Speaker 1: an idea how deeply she may have been involved in
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Speaker 1: this crime. Stories with Nancy Grace Judge made several rulings
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Speaker 1: today on what can and cannot be introduced as evidence
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Speaker 1: at Patrick Frasi's murder trial. Phrase is accused of killing
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Speaker 1: his fiance, Kelsey Barrett, last November. Her body has not
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Speaker 1: been found. The judge ruled today that he will allow
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Speaker 1: statements that Kelsey made to her mother and co workers
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Speaker 1: about her relationship with Phrasy. Those will be allowed to
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Speaker 1: be introduced. Kelsey talked about leaving the relationship at one point.
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Speaker 1: The judge says he will not allow evidence of past
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Speaker 1: animal abuse by Phrasie to be included. He says it
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Speaker 1: doesn't have any value. You're hearing our friends at nine
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Speaker 1: News Denver. That was Gary Shapiro describing what's happening in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom. The case against Patrick Frazy, the so called
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Speaker 1: killer fiance, is going to trial now. His fiancee beareth
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Speaker 1: body never found. Alexis to Ruschuk, investigative reporter with Radar
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Speaker 1: online dot Com, Alexis, tell me about the crime scene.
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Speaker 1: The crime scene was very meticulously clean. There were not
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Speaker 1: a lot of obvious signs that anything had happened in
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Speaker 1: her house. There really weren't, and that's why it took
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Speaker 1: police a little while and they weren't even sure had
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Speaker 1: she just gone out and gone grocery shopping and got
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Speaker 1: missing at the grocery store. Like that, he and his
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Speaker 1: girlfriend had very carefully covered up what happened in this house.
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Speaker 1: Listening to testimony about three different ways that phrase attempted
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Speaker 1: to solicit murder, the murder of his fiance came out
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Speaker 1: in court and a hearing Phrasie sat there looking completely
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Speaker 1: unfazed by the whole thing. Then he heard about evidence
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Speaker 1: showing that Kelsey was murdered with a baseball bat that
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Speaker 1: got no obvious signed from him either, no reaction. How
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Speaker 1: do we think she was murdered? Joe Scott Morgan, It
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Speaker 1: would appear that he had many plans that they were
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Speaker 1: that they were going to perpetrate. I think that there
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Speaker 1: was a mention of potential poison. Well, yeah, there were
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Speaker 1: three occasions that he tried to get the girlfriend to
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Speaker 1: first poison her with a Starbucks coffee, then beat her
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Speaker 1: dead with a metal rod, and finally a baseball bat.
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Speaker 1: And what's coming out in court in these pre trial
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Speaker 1: hearings is that the girlfriend agreed and tried to comply
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Speaker 1: each time she quote chickened out. Okay, During these hearings.
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Speaker 1: Investigators say they believe Frazie murdered Bareth himself in her
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Speaker 1: living room Thanksgiving Day while their baby was in a
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Speaker 1: back bedroom, that he blindfolded her with a sweater under
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Speaker 1: the guys that he wanted her to smell different candles
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Speaker 1: and pick one out. Once she was blindfolded, according to
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Speaker 1: prosecutors in court, he bludgeoned her dead with a baseball bat.
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Speaker 1: Later that day. According to court documents, he called the
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Speaker 1: girlfriend the rodeo Queen and told her to drive from
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Speaker 1: her home in Idaho from Woodland Park. Quote, you got
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Speaker 1: a mess to clean up, and she did it. She
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Speaker 1: drove all the way to the murder scene and cleaned up.
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Speaker 1: So obviously they're gonna try and blame her because of
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Speaker 1: her involvement. But do you think it will work straight
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Speaker 1: out to you? Karen Start, you're the psychologistic hearstar dot com.
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Speaker 1: You know there may be a your that buys into it.
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Speaker 1: She was so she was up to a rear end
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Speaker 1: and alligators in this thing. She was Nancy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: think about that. She admitted that she had agreed to
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Speaker 1: try and kill her and then she chickened out. I mean,
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Speaker 1: so actually was going along with the fact that he
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Speaker 1: was going to murder his girlfriend, not just letting this
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Speaker 1: woman keep waiting until she finally got killed. However, he
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Speaker 1: is the one that did the actual killing. Think about
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Speaker 1: that scene that you described. Here's a woman who's blindfolded
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Speaker 1: thinking that she's going to smell candles and then boom,
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Speaker 1: gets hit, bludgeoned without even knowing what was coming. And
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Speaker 1: so as guilty as his girlfriend is, I really do
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Speaker 1: believe he's the one that's going to be, you know, chastised, jailed,
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Speaker 1: punished for the murder because he didn't. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: sometimes the jury gets so disgusted as a co defendant
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Speaker 1: they find the defendant not guilty. I mean, I've seen
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Speaker 1: it happen. It hasn't happened to me, but it has happened.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Darryl Cohen, she was so part of this
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Speaker 1: murder plot, even claiming she left behind one of Kelsey's
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Speaker 1: teeth for investigators to find. She left behind a tooth
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Speaker 1: like what she's supposed to get a gold star for that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she just makes me sick, Daryl. She makes
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Speaker 1: me sick. She makes me sick as well, Dancy, and
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Speaker 1: she probably should be a co defendant. But on the
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Speaker 1: other hand, does the state have enough evidence without her
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Speaker 1: to prove his guilt? And if her story is as
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Speaker 1: weird as it sounds, then it's probably true and the jury,
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Speaker 1: in my view, properly if the defense lawyer is not
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Speaker 1: able to crack her story, then I think they'll convict
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Speaker 1: him and they'll be disgusted with her. And I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be at all surprised if the jury could say we
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Speaker 1: think she should have been a co defendant as opposed
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Speaker 1: to getting hurt. Well, they can't write that on the
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Speaker 1: guilty verdant. You know, they may think it, They may
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Speaker 1: think it. Hey, Alexis terrectiate with me. Radar online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Alexis Jackie here in the studio wants
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Speaker 1: to know was Kelsey's phone ever found? And I believe
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Speaker 1: that it was. And again it was the Rodeo Queen
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Speaker 1: Crystal Lee is the one that threw it away. She
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Speaker 1: threw it away three states away, and she was texting
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Speaker 1: the guy she was pretending to be her, texting, pretending
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Speaker 1: to Kelsey texting him, so to kind of leave a
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Speaker 1: fake trail of evidence to throw investigators off. What do
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Speaker 1: you expect from her testimony, Alexis she set to testify
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Speaker 1: for the state. I think that she will tell all
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Speaker 1: of the details. I think she'll tell exactly how what
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Speaker 1: it looked like when she came there. I think she
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Speaker 1: will describe how they cleaned the body parts up. I
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Speaker 1: think she'll describe how they put her into some sort
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Speaker 1: of container or bags or whatnot and took her body out,
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Speaker 1: and then how she drove away, and how she was
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Speaker 1: in constant contact with Patrick and he was telling her
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Speaker 1: what to do from her own phone, and that's when
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Speaker 1: you know she sent the text messages from Kelsey's phone.
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Speaker 1: I think she's gonna really I think I think this
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Speaker 1: could be a really good thing. She's going to explain
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Speaker 1: every single detail of the crime. And I don't know
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Speaker 1: why she all of a sudden flipped. I don't you
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Speaker 1: know she was really involved because they were gonna diet
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Speaker 1: her as a codefendant for murder. I guess obviously that's
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Speaker 1: why she flipped. What do you mean they what they
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Speaker 1: did with body parts? What are you talking about, Alexis, Well,
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Speaker 1: she said, you know she left a tooth behind. I don't.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I don't know, and this hasn't been
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Speaker 1: say did. I don't think she pulled that tooth out?
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Speaker 1: So I think that this woman was really, really badly hurt. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I don't really count a tooth as being a body part.
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Speaker 1: But you say tomato, I say tomato. Long story. She's
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Speaker 1: going to testify crime stories with Nancy Grace. The connection
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Speaker 1: between Barett and Lee is Patrick Frazy. He was the
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Speaker 1: now deceased Bareth's boyfriend and father to their one year
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Speaker 1: old child, and, according to acquaintances also dating Lee, police
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Speaker 1: believe Phrasie killed Bareth then hit her body on Thanksgiving Day.
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Speaker 1: Barett's cell phone was turned on after she died, pining
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Speaker 1: a cell tower near Twin Falls, where Lee lives. Lee
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Speaker 1: is not in custody, and Fox thirty one can't find
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Speaker 1: any criminal charges pending on public court documents, Yet her
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Speaker 1: scheduled appearance in Teller County indicates she's cut a plea deal.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at nine News, Denver to James
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Speaker 1: shell Nutt, twenty seven years Metro major case swat officer
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Speaker 1: now lawyer. How powerful will her testimony be? Will or
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Speaker 1: will it make the jury sick to their stomachs that
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Speaker 1: she's walking. I think it's going to be both. I
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Speaker 1: think that the jury is going to be sick of her.
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Speaker 1: They're not gonna lock her. But I do think that
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Speaker 1: there is some credibility to her testimony. As disgusting and
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Speaker 1: bile as she is. You know, one thing is you know,
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Speaker 1: she led them to some evidence, uh specifically in the
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Speaker 1: house that they did not know of. That has not
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Speaker 1: been published yet, but the report saw her that she
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Speaker 1: led them to corroborating evidence that they didn't previously know about.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what that evidence is, but if that
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Speaker 1: is the case, yea, that could provide some some level
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Speaker 1: of benefit. Also as possible that she gave them some
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Speaker 1: information about the first location that Kelsey's body was taken to,
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Speaker 1: which is a place called Nash Farm Nash Ranch. And
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Speaker 1: I believe that she is the one, based off the
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Speaker 1: reports I've read, that actually gave the police that information.
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Speaker 1: That information allowed the police to match Phrasey's cell phone
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Speaker 1: pings to the cell phone pings of Kelsey. And when
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Speaker 1: you look at those things and they can corroborate some
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Speaker 1: of the evidence and some of the testimony that she's given,
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Speaker 1: that maybe just enough credibility. Even though the jury does
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Speaker 1: not like her, just enough credibility for the jury to say, hey,
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Speaker 1: she's telling the truth about this, and Phrasie did through
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Speaker 1: this Mark. We also know that the so called girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: Crystal Lee, admitted to destroying Barra's phone, getting rid of
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Speaker 1: her keys and a gun, all to help Phrasie cover
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Speaker 1: his tracks. You know, I'll never understand it, Karen Stark.
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Speaker 1: Why would a girlfriend so blindly go along with a
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Speaker 1: killer boyfriend? Unfortunately, nasty the things that people do for love,
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Speaker 1: and this is pure desperation. She wanted his love. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: She's not a saint, she's not a good person, and
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Speaker 1: so she went along and did whatever he wanted her
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Speaker 1: to do, including cleaning up this horrible crime scene. And
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Speaker 1: she's trying to paint herself as somebody. Well I left
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Speaker 1: her too, I'm cooperating. But she's evil. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: I've got a feeling that's not in the DSMI they
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Speaker 1: diagnostic of manual. She's evil, but I like it. Alexas
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Speaker 1: Terrestia writ or Online dot com. What do we know
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Speaker 1: as as it relates to what happened to Kelsey's body?
22:42
Speaker 1: And is there any hope it will ever be recovered?
22:44
Speaker 1: Least have been searching again. They searched in a landfill
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Speaker 1: near the area near her house, but they have not
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Speaker 1: found it. We don't know where it is and the
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Speaker 1: girlfriend has not said where it is. Crazy hasn't said
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Speaker 1: where it is. They had I guess some new evidence
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Speaker 1: and clues that perhaps it was in a land fill,
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Speaker 1: but so far it has not turned up. They have
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Speaker 1: said they're not getting I thought that he burned it
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Speaker 1: at his mother's farm where he lived. They just recently
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Speaker 1: said they were looking at a landfill for it. They've
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Speaker 1: never found it. Wow, Okay, try to jump in. Yeah.
23:15
Speaker 1: You know. One of the compelling things about this case
23:17
Speaker 1: is that we are absent a body, and I think
23:20
Speaker 1: that's going to be one of the most difficult hurdles,
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Speaker 1: if there is a hurdle in this case for the
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Speaker 1: prosecution to overcome. It has been alleged that he may
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Speaker 1: have burned her body, But what if he had taken
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Speaker 1: that body, cleaned up all evidence of the burning at
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Speaker 1: this scene at his mom's place, and then taken her
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Speaker 1: to a landfill. I've worked several cases involving landfills and
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Speaker 1: Nancy it's an absolute nightmare because as everything gets layered
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Speaker 1: in there, and it's this highly aerobic environment that means
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Speaker 1: that there's all these little critters at a microbial level
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Speaker 1: that are just churning and digesting things over a period
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Speaker 1: of time. You've got the equipment that are running over
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Speaker 1: things back and forth and back and forth. I think
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Speaker 1: that it's going to be very difficult to recover anything
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Speaker 1: of her if she is in fact in that landfill.
24:11
Speaker 1: And I think that that's that's going to be the
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Speaker 1: biggest thing to overcome for these attorneys. Can they bring
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Speaker 1: her to life in this courtroom? That's going to be key.
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Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you something, jes Scott. Why
24:21
Speaker 1: do you believe that she was burned? Well, it's just
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Speaker 1: one of the indications that uh, that that investigators have
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Speaker 1: intimated at least and I don't necessarily know, uh that
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Speaker 1: we're actually going to know if she was burned, but
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Speaker 1: it would not be surprising. Listen. He's gone to great
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Speaker 1: links to try to to get rid of anything and
24:43
Speaker 1: I mean anything uh that uh that would give indication
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Speaker 1: that she still exists anywhere, um, you know, and the
24:53
Speaker 1: fact that he did attempt to if he allegedly tried
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Speaker 1: to burn her, then that would just go to this
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Speaker 1: overall idea that he's trying to destroy her body and
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Speaker 1: then on top of it, go back and distribute her
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Speaker 1: remains in this remote area in this landfill. And listen
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Speaker 1: the area that they are in Nancy. For folks that
25:15
Speaker 1: haven't been out there, it is vast. There's any number
25:19
Speaker 1: of places this body could have been deposited. And that's
25:22
Speaker 1: that's the chart that the police have been facing all
25:25
Speaker 1: of these years, all of these months. It's my understanding
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Speaker 1: that the girlfriend, Crystal Lee Kenney, is going to state
25:33
Speaker 1: that she believes Patrick Frasye burned Keltzy's body, that he
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Speaker 1: hid her body and his mother's barn in a black
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Speaker 1: totebox for a period of time, a piece of evidence
25:47
Speaker 1: prosecutors have called vital to the investigation that during the murder,
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Speaker 1: the little baby girl was in a room nearby. That
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Speaker 1: phrase went to Thanksgiving dinner after the murder that very
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Speaker 1: same night. She also says that she drove to Colorado
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Speaker 1: with rubber gloves, a sanitary suit used for painting, and
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Speaker 1: bleach to clean up the crime scene, picked up the
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Speaker 1: keys to Bearer's home, got rid of them. That when
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Speaker 1: she got in the home, she was confronted with an
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Speaker 1: unthinkable scene, that it was horrific that she couldn't believe
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Speaker 1: it ad quote actually happened. That she got rid of
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Speaker 1: a bloody bible, the sweater used to cover Bearer's eyes,
26:32
Speaker 1: wiped blood off surfaces all around the home, that she
26:37
Speaker 1: left a tooth and blood behind for investigators to find.
26:42
Speaker 1: She pointed to blood spatters for the police that they
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Speaker 1: had not been able to see before. She took them
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Speaker 1: to the barn, where she said Phrasey hid the body,
26:52
Speaker 1: and not only that, a cadaver dog picked up a
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Speaker 1: scent there in the barn there was a piece of
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Speaker 1: discolored hey where the girlfriend claims the container with Kelsey's
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Speaker 1: body in it was stored. Later, she said that she
27:08
Speaker 1: went back to the barn, that the killer fiance, Patrick Frasy,
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Speaker 1: had put his fiance in a trough doused it with gasoline,
27:19
Speaker 1: and that the fire was so large Frasie's mother came
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Speaker 1: outside to check and see what was happening. We now
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Speaker 1: believe that after that, according to the girlfriend, Patrick Frasy
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Speaker 1: disposed of what was left of Barris's body and either
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Speaker 1: a landfilled a dump or a river. Crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Welcome back, everybody on Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories, thank you for being with us. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Ellen Kilauren ek
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Speaker 1: plays just in a nutshell. Give me the timeline, Let
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Speaker 1: me understand where the states headed. Kelsey disappeared on November
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Speaker 1: twenty second, which is Thanksgiving Day. We know that on
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Speaker 1: that day she went to a Safeway supermarket near her
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Speaker 1: home in Woodland Park, Colorado. She had her one year
28:21
Speaker 1: old daughter with her. There After that, she met with
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Speaker 1: her fiance, Patrick Frazy and handed off her daughter. Two
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Speaker 1: messages were sent from her cell phone on Monday, November
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Speaker 1: twenty fifth. Excuse me. One was to her fiance and
28:38
Speaker 1: another was to her employer, Doss Aviation, where she works
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Speaker 1: as a white White Allan Kilauren crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Are you telling me she actually spoke verbally to her
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Speaker 1: employer or textit her email? No, it was a text.
28:53
Speaker 1: It was a text message sent from her phone. Okay
28:56
Speaker 1: and white, I thought you said she the last person
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Speaker 1: she spoke to was the fiance and the employer. They
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Speaker 1: were both text messages. So she spoke to nobody. Say
29:07
Speaker 1: that she spoke to nobody other than her mother that
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Speaker 1: previously the last voice conversation that her mother had with
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Speaker 1: her was on Thanksgiving Day, and she saw her fiance
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Speaker 1: in person later that day, so the last person she
29:22
Speaker 1: actually spoke with was her mother several days before she
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Speaker 1: goes missing. Karen Smith, why do I always have to
29:30
Speaker 1: be the bad guy? Can you explain to Ellen why
29:33
Speaker 1: every word counts? It's very important having text messages rather
29:39
Speaker 1: than a vocal call. I mean, come on, this is
29:42
Speaker 1: this is law enforcement in forensics one oh one. A
29:45
Speaker 1: text message can be sent by anybody who has access
29:48
Speaker 1: to that phone if it's not pass code enforced. If
29:51
Speaker 1: you have a thumb print, that actually you have access
29:54
Speaker 1: too because you put your thumb print on that phone
29:56
Speaker 1: when it was unlocked at some point, it's not that
29:58
Speaker 1: difficult anymore. So if it's only text messages, we don't
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Speaker 1: know who sent them. They're going to have to go
30:05
Speaker 1: into that phone and figure out where those text messages
30:08
Speaker 1: were actually sent from. And that leads me to another
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Speaker 1: forensic point. Hold on, Ashley Willcott. I know you're chomping
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Speaker 1: at the bit, Doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist. Let's go
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Speaker 1: into the mind of someone that would get rid of
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Speaker 1: a mother of a little baby girl. Okay, get rid
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Speaker 1: of her. And then this is my question, think to
30:28
Speaker 1: use her phone to cover their tracks and text the boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: the fiance, text the employer and go, oh, I'm taking
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Speaker 1: a week off. That's a whole another animal from somebody
30:41
Speaker 1: flying off the handle and getting mad at a bar
30:44
Speaker 1: and go, you took my money. Bam, you're dead. Versus
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Speaker 1: killing somebody, disposing of the body and then making all
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Speaker 1: these surreptitious texts and you know, emails to cover your tracks.
30:57
Speaker 1: That's a whole different way of thinking, doctor Bober, I agree, Nancy,
31:03
Speaker 1: it's on a hold. It's on a whole different level.
31:05
Speaker 1: But like your previous guests said, those text messages, you know,
31:09
Speaker 1: are going to be valuable because with text messages, unlike
31:11
Speaker 1: with vocal communication, uh, you know, there is going to
31:14
Speaker 1: be the amount of texting the words that were actually used,
31:17
Speaker 1: and you know, people that are familiar with her are
31:20
Speaker 1: going to know the way that she communicates. And so
31:22
Speaker 1: there's I think a treasure trove of information potentially there
31:26
Speaker 1: in those text messages. Okay, Alan colorin Um, it's really important.
31:31
Speaker 1: It really is crucial. It's crucial when you're trying to
31:35
Speaker 1: establish the timeline, which is where everything starts. Every investigation
31:39
Speaker 1: starts with a timeline in the forensics around that timeline.
31:42
Speaker 1: So let's talk about these. The last time she was saying,
31:45
Speaker 1: was how many days before she was reported missing? Ten days? Okay,
31:50
Speaker 1: just give me short brief answers. So we got ten days. Darn,
31:54
Speaker 1: it's a long time. Now into that ten days, En,
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Speaker 1: Did the texts come in number one? And were they pinged?
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Speaker 1: And if so, from where the text came in? On
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Speaker 1: November twenty fifth, which is three days after she was
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Speaker 1: last seeing Okay, three days after she went missing, she
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Speaker 1: texts fiance an employer. Is that correct? Ellen? That's right?
32:20
Speaker 1: So both of them were texted in one day. That's great.
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Speaker 1: Interesting day. Her phone was pinged in Idaho, about six
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Speaker 1: hundred miles away from where she lived, But authorities have
32:32
Speaker 1: said they can't confirm that she was actually with her
32:35
Speaker 1: phone at the time, but they can confirm that ping.
32:38
Speaker 1: We know that the ping is correct. Yes, this girl
32:42
Speaker 1: is no, it is. She's a flight instructor. Isn't that right, Ellen, Kilaurin.
32:46
Speaker 1: She's a flying instructor. That's great. I mean this woman
32:50
Speaker 1: can get up in a plane and fly around at
32:52
Speaker 1: teach other people. This is let's look at what we know.
32:55
Speaker 1: And I may have to go back to the shrink
32:56
Speaker 1: on this one, as she will caught. A woman that's
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Speaker 1: calling her mom for a recipe is not a woman
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Speaker 1: who's gonna leave her mom hanging out in the wind,
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Speaker 1: doesn't know where you are it worried sick about you
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Speaker 1: not taking care of your baby girl. No, I mean
33:14
Speaker 1: you see the dichotomy there right, Like I call my mother,
33:17
Speaker 1: I call Miss Talbert from my little Methodist church in Macon,
33:22
Speaker 1: various people for recipes, okay, because I love them and
33:27
Speaker 1: their knowledge means something to me. Those are the people
33:30
Speaker 1: you love that you call for recipes, Ashley. So here's
33:33
Speaker 1: the thing about the texts on the bone. We see
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Speaker 1: it all so regrettably, someone could easily think, oh, I'm
33:42
Speaker 1: just gonna text this person and this person or text
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend so they think she's fine and that gives
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Speaker 1: me more time with her. Twenty nine year old Kelsey
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Speaker 1: Berry Ethnobs seen since she was recorded on surveillance cameras
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Speaker 1: in a grocery store in Woodland Park, Colorado, with her
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Speaker 1: baby daughter. Her fiance tells that she dropped the baby
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Speaker 1: off after that grocery store trip, and he has not
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Speaker 1: seen or heard from her since. Straight out to Ellen
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Speaker 1: Klaura and Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Ellen, what
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Speaker 1: did you tell me about the fiance? Because that is
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Speaker 1: where every timeline starts, the last time someone was sane
34:19
Speaker 1: or spoken to verbally, not by text or email, tell
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Speaker 1: me about the fiance. That's right. He was the last
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Speaker 1: person to see her, and we know that he was
34:29
Speaker 1: not the person who contacted police, his lawyer, and he's
34:34
Speaker 1: been with her daughter. His lawyer released his statement and
34:38
Speaker 1: says that he did give a DNA slat of his mouth,
34:42
Speaker 1: he did hand over his phone, but he did not
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Speaker 1: attend a press conference where her mother did attendance and
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Speaker 1: spoke and begged for her daughter's return. His lawyer claims
34:53
Speaker 1: that Patrick didn't know about the press conference until an
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Speaker 1: hour before it began, otherwise he would have been there.
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Speaker 1: Kelse phone pinged about seven hundred miles away from where
35:04
Speaker 1: she was last seen three days later. Now does that
35:08
Speaker 1: make sense to you, Karen Smith, forensics experts, seven hundred
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Speaker 1: miles in three days? Does that make sense? It can
35:13
Speaker 1: be done, well, sure, it can be done, but none
35:16
Speaker 1: of it makes sense to me, Nancy who First of all,
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Speaker 1: if my fiance had gone missing, I would be freaking
35:21
Speaker 1: out after three hours. First of all, ten days, ten days.
35:27
Speaker 1: She was reported missing ten days later and the cell
35:29
Speaker 1: phone things seven hundred miles away. Are you kidding me?
35:32
Speaker 1: I would be all over the press. I would be
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Speaker 1: in front of every camera that would put my face
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Speaker 1: on television. I would be talking to everyone and anyone
35:38
Speaker 1: if I had nothing to do with this. Ten days
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Speaker 1: is a long time to pass. Ashley well kind I'm
35:46
Speaker 1: looking in the video right now. She comes in the
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Speaker 1: front of the grocery store. She's carrying the baby in
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Speaker 1: a car seat. Oh, it looks just like the ones
35:52
Speaker 1: I would carry the twins in double fisted. She puts
35:56
Speaker 1: the car seat in the front of a cart with
35:59
Speaker 1: the baby face see her, you know that top area,
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Speaker 1: and then she drives off. She's got on a coat,
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Speaker 1: her hair's back in the bud, and the baby's all
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Speaker 1: bundled up all right now. The brother Clint Bareth said
36:11
Speaker 1: that he realized she was missing, and Heat goes to
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Speaker 1: her home. And what the brother Clint Bareth says is
36:16
Speaker 1: the only thing missing from the home was her pocketbook,
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Speaker 1: her luggage, her makeup, all untouched in her two vehicles
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Speaker 1: are still at the home. Ellen Claurine, you left that
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Speaker 1: little detail out. Both the cars are at the house,
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Speaker 1: her luggage, her makeup, all that. The only thing missing
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Speaker 1: is her pocketbook, which I'd like to point out she
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Speaker 1: had with her when she was at the grocery store.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalse Nancy Gray's crime story, signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,