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Why 99% will NEVER escape the Matrix (How to become the 1%) · Reborn w/ Antonio Boutros

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: You can have can have all of this money, right?
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_02: But if you're not physically fit, then what is it worth?
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_02: You're not able to spend time with your kids and run around with your kids on the beach that you just took a vacation on.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_02: What is it worth?
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is Tony Bruchos, the host of the Reborn Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today I have Donovan Green here with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Donovan, thank you for being here.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate the time.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to this chat.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna cover business, fitness, relationships, the whole, the whole three.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I know you're a very religious guy yourself, and then we're gonna dive into that a little bit as well.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Looking forward to it.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Likewise, man.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm looking forward to it.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, the first thing I wanted to start it with is just your journey to entrepreneurship.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know you were pretty successful in it uh in real estate, done some wholesaling, done some investing, done some uh e-com, some different businesses, different partners.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember you actually specifically telling me you had issues with you know being open to partnerships, and now it seems like most of, if not all, you do is partnerships.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: But to success, can you touch on that a little bit?
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so um one thing I've learned in um you know my my short stint of being a business owner, a uh entrepreneur is that you don't do a lot of things or you don't find a lot of success um doing things on your own.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_02: And um when I learned that, um I started to make more connections, um, I started to close more deals, I started to make more money, I started to find myself around other people that are also making more money.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: So uh that it was kind of a gut check in a way because before I realized that fact, I wasn't going um, I wasn't going as far as I would have liked to go because I wanted to go by myself.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought going by myself would have been the fastest way to get there.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um when in reality, you know, it's it's really the slowest way to get there is you know by yourself.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, if you think of it in the terms of NASCAR, like the driver can't get out and change his own tire, right?
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he has to have a crew, he has to have spotters, he has to have all these individuals that help them to be able to navigate on race day.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: So um I think that's really what I learned is having a team, having a crew, uh, and not say that I'm the driver.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I'm the driver and sometimes I'm the one putting the ass in the tank.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's important.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's an important one, yeah.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: Just knowing my position, um, I think you know, being a servant in that way uh have helped me to again just gain the connections that I've had and it's helped me see the success uh that I've been able to see um not only in real estate, but just in life.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's the old adage, you know, if you want to go fast, go alone.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: You want to go uh far, you go go together.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: And really for me, I've been thinking about that saying to myself, and I'm like, I don't even understand if you want to go fast, I don't understand how you're gonna go faster alone rather than you know the NASCAR example that you brought up, having these pit stops.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: If you're just a a solo driver, you're not gonna you're gonna have to get out, you know, fix the car yourself, do all that kind of stuff.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you're not gonna go faster alone, and you're definitely not gonna go as far alone.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: So there's really no point in going alone unless you truly just want to make you know 100 grand a year or not truly reach your maximum potential.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you look at these guys, um Zuck and all these other massive business modules.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: They they own, I think Zuck owns like 10% of Facebook or something.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: Bezos owns like 12% of Amazon.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like they own very small or relatively small part portions of their company.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're the face of it, and you know, it's a multi trillion billion dollar company, something like that.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know that like yeah, I think I think Facebook might be in the trillions now.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_02: I know Apple definitely is, Amazon uh should be in the trillions now.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I mean the point still stands, right?
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, you don't again, you just don't build by yourself.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, even in the terms of real estate, like the architect isn't the bricklayer.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the you know, the the realtor isn't the electrician, you know, like you need an entire team in order to get the job done from start to finish in the in the best way possible.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, just like you know, like the as the saying goes, going fast is is great, but you know, how far are you gonna be able to go?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like the faster you go, the faster you run out of gas as well.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: And if you don't again, just doing all those things by yourself, it's just very challenging and difficult.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I found many times in my in my journey where I became so burnt out because I was doing everything by myself.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like I was wearing all the hats, and sometimes that's necessary.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but more times than not, though those are the uh that that's pride, right?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's um just selfishness.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um wanting wanting to be the big shot, but not realizing what goes into being a big shot.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: The late nights, the early mornings, the the phone calls, the viewings, the uh you know, just all all of these things for one person can become a lot.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's when I realized I'm not gonna do anything.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's just not it's not feasible, it's not sustainable.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's not gonna work 100%.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I mean, I think we both have experience in the wholesale real estate space, and you know, you think about that, especially if you want to scale, even if you're doing deals only on your own, you're not JVing or anything like that, you still have to have a lender, you still have to have a buyer, you still have to have a seller, you still have to have a title company, all these different parts of the uh company to just make it function.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: And you're not you can do that alone, you can not really have a relationship with these people, just a one-off type type of business, or just with them and just have a very, very, very professional relationship and not have any sort of rapport bill, but and then one, you're not gonna scale as much, and two, you're gonna be spending more money because they don't they don't really know you, they don't like you.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: They like a lot of people are willing to do business more with you because they they like you, they they know they like and they trust you.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's the big story, right?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: So absolutely, yeah.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: Even even if you're working alone, even if you don't want partners and need people, it's I think I wrote down in my notes the other day, solopreneurship is not real.
• 7:07
  unknown: That's good.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's really no other there's no other way to state it.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's good stuff, man.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, being a very religious guy, I wanted to ask, what's your motivation behind your business?
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: Is it does it come primarily from religion or is it you know family blackground background, or where do you get your motivation from?
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a mixture of uh all of the above.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, my my family isn't, you know, a uh we're not like it's not a hard-knocked life or anything like that, you know.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like you know, I've struggled all my trends.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like it it it hasn't been that.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but uh my family also hasn't been at the in the space in which um I've been able to take advantage of certain amenities that other um individuals my age uh have been able to take advantage of.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I wasn't able to play sports.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, one of my passions when I was younger was football um and and baseball for a short time.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't able to play those sports because one, my mother couldn't afford it, and two, my mother not only couldn't afford it with money, she couldn't afford it with Thai.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: She couldn't afford to take me to practice, she couldn't afford to, you know, take me to games or, you know, take me to to dicks or champs or whatever to get equipment.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, all of those things.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I just I just never had that opportunity.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: But when it comes to um what I believe, um, you know, I believe Jesus Christ uh is the Son of God and um, you know, he died on the cross and he rose uh from the dead.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um and he lives to this day.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_02: I believe he died for my sins.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I believe that in this business in real estate, I believe real estate is something that I'm called to do on a global scale, um, in a sense of uh teaching people not only the information that they need to perhaps buy real estate, develop real estate, have uh be in the real estate space or be a real estate professional, but provide housing for um individuals across the world.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um again, not only that, it's obviously, you know, real estate isn't a not-for-profit business, right?
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're you're you're in it to make money.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um and my goal is to essentially uh you know make a good amount of money, a large amount of money, to be able to share with the world to continue to uh plan churches, spread the gospel, um, you know, reach people that haven't been reached in every corner of the world.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: So um that's really my driving force.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's I feel as though my core conviction is that that's my mission.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I will uh I'm gonna see that mission through.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: 100%, man.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's beautiful.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, every time I tell people that you're just it's so powerful.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: You have such a powerful energy and such a powerful purpose, you know.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: How you were saying I didn't I didn't know that before.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think we talked about that how you know your c your family couldn't afford uh for you to play sports.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: I know we had spoken that what that was a passion of yours, and I believe now you coach basketball or something, correct?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: I I coach basketball now.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: I never played basketball, but I coach basketball.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's so it's so interesting.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, that's that's true.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I ended up getting into my my sports passion through um through the coaching space.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even realize that that was something I actually was good at.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: So that's me cool.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Is that do you feel sort of like a kid again when you're coaching?
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel like that's making up for lost time that you couldn't play sports?
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, in a way, because even now, um, you know, I find myself wanting to improve my game in basketball, even though I'm not like there are kids in here that are six, seven years old that are playing basketball and that play for AAU, that play for their school or whatever the case may be, um, and they're already very skilled for their age.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas me, I'm I'll be 23 years old next month, and I'm just now starting to, you know, make sure that my form is right on my jumpers.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm definitely starting a a lot later, but um, it does make me feel like a kid again.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I actually had a conversation with a young guy yesterday.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: I I think he's like 17 or so.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_02: Very talented basketball player.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, I was just asking him some questions just about um, you know, my shot.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm because when I shoot, I kind of push off with my thumb.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm right-handed.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: And your left hand, usually, if you're it, your dominant hand, your less dominant hand is gonna be your guide hand.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: So I was telling him, I'm like, I push off with my thumb a little bit with my with my guide hand.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, Yeah, I do that sometimes too.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: So now I'm learning from a younger individual.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: They're younger than me, but they have more knowledge than me in the space.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: And they're even teaching me, like, hey man, like, you know, you can you could probably use this move, you know, you should probably work on this.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, man, that's that's actually a good point.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: I should work on that.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_02: So um it definitely has made me feel like a kid again.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, you know, I kind of uh um gotta bust the kids' balls a little bit, you know, just because um it's uh if they can't take it from somebody that loves them, they're not gonna be able to take it at the next level.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: So I just I just take it upon myself to, you know, rough them up a little bit.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: And but but you know, they know it comes out of love.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they know that it's not something that's like, oh Dynamite, he a hater or whatever.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's it's actually something that, you know, I want to see them get better.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, a lot of times, you know, I I've seen them actually improve in the face of you know, whatever I have to say.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so that means whatever I'm doing is work.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's good, you know, because obviously if you're you know you're coaching young kids, there's no money involved yet.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: If they're gonna be you know developing to a career in the NBA or overseas or whatever, you know, professionally, there's gonna be a lot of money involved, and they're gonna have people um that are, you know, kind of attacking them, and they have to learn how to deal with that pressure.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: And also, I think that's very humble of you to be able to learn from someone who's younger than you.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's you can really relate that back to business, because I think nowadays there's so many young entrepreneurs uh like yourself that are have been very successful at such a young age, partially because of social media and just digital age.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think I think wealth is easier to accumulate nowadays.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, think about a 40-year-old taking a mentorship from a 20-year-old, but that 20-year-old has made five million by the time they're 20, and the 40-year-old is working a W-2 40-50k a year job.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I think just being able to take the back seat um and drop the ego, I think, will help you get a lot further in life and um develop the skills that you want to develop, which is in your basketball skills and other people's cases.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I I think too, um there's uh, you know, again, kind of, you know, going back to uh, you know, the spiritual side for just a quick second, you know, Jesus was I believe was the best leader uh ever to meet.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, you know, that's very subjective.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know, to me, you know, that I consider that to be a fact, and I believe that to be a fact because he led by serving others.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: And when you lead by um putting others' needs before your own, um you find more people wanting to follow you, not not just because you serve them, but because they know that you are going to give them all that you have without um you know any type of restriction or any type of um bias or anything like that.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so you know, I've really have to find myself being humble because I'm kind of in this middle ground where you know there's some spaces where I have to learn, you know, again, with the basketball thing, I have to learn from younger kids.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, in the real estate space, I definitely have to learn from uh you know older individuals who've got who have more skin in the game.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um actually uh I'm marketing a deal, a multifamily deal right now in New York for um, I want to say seven, seven point three five million.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: And um I've been getting a lot of insights that I hadn't got or um that I didn't understand before.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: And if you would have, if I would have made, if I would have posted that same deal last year, I would have got so upset, I would have got so defensive at all the feedback that I was getting, I would have got annoyed.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, these dudes are bashing me.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: This is actually a good deal.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: I ran these numbers, my numbers are right, but again, as I'm it's easy to do that.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's so easy, it's so easy to do that.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: But um what just what I've learned is that I'm gonna learn a lot more.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: One of my mentors, he told me to speak uh to listen twice before you speak once because you have two ears and one mouth for a reason.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: So now my main priority, like, and I heard another quote too that said, speak as if you're right and listen as if you're wrong.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm putting out this deal.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: The numbers look good on the surface, but I'm still listening to the feedback, and it's good feedback.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: So now it's like, okay, well, now I I have certain rules of thumb that I can now take to apply to other deals of this size, and then those same individuals are gonna look at this deal and say, you know what, Donovan actually listened to what I had to say.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna give him a shot.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna buy this property, I'm going to uh show this to a buddy of mine that's interested because people um they respect individuals that um are teachable and are coachable.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's one thing that I love about coaching is like I don't want the I don't want the best player.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want the like I don't mind if I if I have the best player or not.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: I need you to be coachable.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Can you receive instruction and constructive criticism so I can make you better?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: If you can't, that that's just that's just a sign that you need to mature.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: So um that that's definitely made me mature um uh and at a very fast rate.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: So you touch on an a lot just now, but you know, going back to religion with you know Jesus being the the the the best leader, do you ever feel like it's uh insecure as a leader yourself that you can't, you know, measure up, or do you understand that no one can measure up to him because he's literally perfect?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, yeah, no one no one can measure up.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: There there was times where I did.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um but uh I was talking to my girlfriend about this the other day, and we're made in the image.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: In the image and the likeness.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_02: The image isn't the image is like a duplicate or a replica, right?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: But it's still not the original, right?
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: So if I am the uh image of something, like if I take a picture of you, yeah, that's a picture of Tony, but that's not Tony.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like Tony doesn't live in this picture, right?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: There's a picture of Tony, but he doesn't live in the picture, like you actually have to go and meet Tony, right?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like for instance with this podcast, like people can see me, people can see you, but they won't really see me until they, you know, right exactly.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I I just feel like, you know, it it's just a a striving after, you know, like I think that's what life is about, honestly.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's you know, whether it be success, whether it be enlightenment, whatever you're after, um, it's not a um it's not the destination, it's the journey.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's so cliche to say it, but it's really it's the truth.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's all in the steps that you take to get there.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like you have to have fun in the moments that you're getting to it because you're gonna work so hard, you're gonna have all these sleepless nights, you're gonna, you know, work yourself to the grindstone, and then you're gonna get to what you want to get to, and then you're gonna find out that that didn't even satisfy you.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, like now the the the chase and the grind, though it it's tiring at times, that's what keeps me going.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's fun to me, like to wake up every day and know that this is another opportunity to get better, it's another opportunity to network, it's another opportunity to make money, it's another opportunity to you know sh share share my faith with people.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's just every day is another opportunity, and a lot of people don't look at it like that.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a a monotonous cycle in their lives, and it's it's sad, but you know that's just the way of the world, unfortunately.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, something that I Cut it out a little bit, hold on.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Something I was gonna say that I've noticed about you that I have a lot of respect for you about you.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: Give me one girl.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man, based off that, you know what I was gonna say is one thing that I've noticed about you and respect a lot about you is that you're very organized.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably my life story is not being organized from uh from going to elementary school and having, you know, the desk that you open up.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you guys have those at the school place.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that type of thing.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: And disorganization has always been an issue for me.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, we've talked about before how you do one thing, how you do everything, and how you were talking about each day is an opportunity uh to spread the gospel, to spread your business, to spread your message, and to do good for the world overall.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think when you're organized and you are productive for 16 hours a day, whether it's affecting the world or helping your own well-being by you know working out or um just praying or whatever you're doing in that case, it's not necessarily not necessarily putting the word out to the world, but it's helping your inner face, helping your self-development.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I agree.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, some people think that like you know, when it comes to and even apart from you know the the spiritual aspect of it, right?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like you are all you always represent who you are and what you stand for based on uh how you are in um in real life, the way you deal with the long line at McDonald's, the way you interact with the waiter, you know, the way you deal with um, you know, people that need money, you know, at the gas station.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like you are a representation of how you respond to those things in your life.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: So for me, you know, people say, you know, what would Jesus do and stuff like that?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, it's that's it's very true.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um I just I stand on principle.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I stand on um there are just certain things about myself as uh not only a believer, but just as a man that uh I just I cannot compromise on.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um and one of those things is being diligent with uh your time, your money, your attention, and your intention.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um being diligent with those things because they are valuable um resources that that you have that just cannot be spent any type of way.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: So when it comes to you know just the organization piece, it's um I still have a lot of work to do in that space because I understand that you know excuse me, like having having organization is just the key to like when you think about these multi-billion dollar businesses like we were just talking about with Amazon, Meta, Apple, yeah, Tesla, you know, the list goes on.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: They have organization.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so those are things that I want to implement not only in my business but in my life.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: So those are things that are very, very, very important to me.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I I don't think you can really make true progress.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: I would even say arguably organization is even more important than what we touched on earlier with not going alone and having partnerships.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think they can even play a role in one another, but I I would say uh organization might be the most important thing in life and in business.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, something I've realized recently, being a new business owner as well, is just the importance of KPIs, which you do have to be very, very, very, very organized with and get tedious, but it's gonna help you see where your business is at, where it needs to be, and where your goals are for the business and help you truly progress then.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, earlier when we were talking about your purpose and your vision in real estate, you said it was a calling, and you said you want to provide housing, you know, on a nationwide level, and uh that's definitely big goals, and I think a lot of people that would similar aspirations for a lot of different people.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: And um, one of the things you mentioned is you do want to spread the gospel, and I think we have spoken about you want to build churches as well, correct?
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I had a dream.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um there was a dream that I had, you know, it's probably over a year ago now, where um there was like I just saw this abandoned church, and then I just heard a voice that said, Um, this is what I want you to do.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then I woke up.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, whoa.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and I had already like been thinking about it, you know, but uh that was just confirmation for me.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I want that to be a branch off of uh my company um and my firm, um, which is to uh renovate churches and provide them to smaller congregations so they will have the facilities uh to go out into the neighborhoods that they serve.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um that that's something that I have a strong desire to do.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: And it's kind of, you know, a I don't want to say charity, but you're giving back to the community and you're giving back to your own community, which is the religious and the Christian community, and doing well for your your community, and uh rather than giving money to a lot of these farms that are arguably not the best places to give money to.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: And instead you're being more hands-on with it and giving money to those who really need it and will really do good with it, um, while also pursuing your purpose in the meanwhile.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's that's very powerful.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, with with all this being said, and with business, I want to go back to that.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, how you know you started being a solopreneur in the beginning and you didn't want to share anything, uh, it developing into now having so many partnerships and you know being much more successful now.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: How has that developed your business?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: How has your business evolved?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: And are there any other ways that have been notable for you that have just really changed since you first got into business that have made a big difference, a big impact in your business?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, first and foremost, I want to give a big shout out to uh to Microsoft and OpenAI for the freaking inventory of Chat GPT, first and foremost.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that has been an immense help to my business, and even saying that is an understatement.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but another thing too, uh, and I just can't reiterate this enough, but just having partners that are aligned with the same vision that you're aligned with.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: Not necessarily in the sense of, you know, the partners that are in that are in my life and that are in my network, they don't everybody doesn't have the the vision to renovate churches, right?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody has the same general mind of they want to become not only financially free, but locationally free and uh time free, right?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: They want to create uh this is such a buzzword, I don't even like using it, but generational wealth.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they want to build wealth for um not only who's in their family now, but two or three uh generations down the line.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: And they love they love real estate or they or they love serving people.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, with that said, and if I meet anybody that aligns with those three things, then you're definitely a partner of mine.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, we're you know, like those are just the core things that are important to me.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: But as far as the success that I've seen, um it's just the opportunity.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I I I think I think opportunity and um and networking are worth more than money itself.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: You can't get it's difficult again to get money without networking and creating opportunities.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's where I feel at least now in this 2023, um, I've been able to um just run into a lot of networking uh opportunities, run into people who uh just are doing things in the in the space that that I'm doing them.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, uh a good friend of mine, uh his name is Danny.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_02: He's uh we met at a real estate meetup here in Indianapolis, and um, you know, he does credit repair.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: Big shout out to next level advising.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: But um, but yeah, we ended up connecting on the business tip, and we ended up becoming great friends.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: And even in that space, um, you know, he's helped get my credit to a level where, you know, I'm going to soon be in a position to uh get my business uh to be fundable, uh, which is super dope.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um so definitely big shout out to him.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: But I I wouldn't have those opportunities if I'm not networking.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that's the success is getting out there, putting yourself in a uh uh becoming an authority in the space.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I I had a real estate meetup this year in February.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_02: I hopefully I can have another one before the year ends.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: But I had a real estate meetup on and you know, for those listening, that, you know, just throwing events, period, um, or meetups or networking events or you know, mix and mingles, wherever you choose to call it, is a great way to get your name out there as an authority in the space.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, there are some meetups out there or here in Indianapolis or, you know, wherever you're listening from, you would be surprised at how many people would come out and um and support your event, just not because they know you, but because they're interested in what you're offering.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I had, I think, close to 50 people showed up for that event.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: And that was my first event.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody knows who I was, you know.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: And and granted, you know, I was doing that with um a partner of mine, Jamar Wright.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: Big shout out to Jamar and Durban Real Estate.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: But um, but again, it all comes back to the same thing: networking, and the networking creates opportunity.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: So that that's where that's pretty much been my bread and butter this year.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's been very important for me as well.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I typically consider myself to be very outgoing and I typically pretty good at building rapport with people, whether it's networking with other investors and business people or in religion, or whether it's just cold calling and trying to get trying to help a client, you know, I think that's something that's very, very important is getting to know people and networking.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I wanted to talk about generational wealth that you had mentioned.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: How do you feel about you know growing up and then you know having children and being wealthy?
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say you're a multimillionaire or even billionaire here in the future when you have children.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want your children to grow up wealthy or do you want your children to still have sort of not a terrible upcoming, but a upcoming where they're still learning and they're still getting to know how the real world works without being everything having everything handed to them?
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I won't hand anything to my kids, but at the same time, I won't take anything from my kids either.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I think um, you know, Shaq talks about, you know, not giving his kids anything, making sure that they get a degree, and you know, he'll fund the business idea that they have.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, everybody has their different way of parenting.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think for me, um what a show that I like, uh sometimes I don't like all the contents of it, but uh I like the show Succession.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um because you kind of see the different uh the different um your different kids, right?
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: Who's good at what, who's strong in this area, who's weak in this area.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um and they're all in a sense groomed to to be to succeed you.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but you know, everybody has their weaknesses, right?
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I think, you know, when it comes down to it, you know, I want to groom my children.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, maybe they don't take over both, maybe they want to do something else.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I want to groom them uh again, not only in the business aspect, because business is just an extension of life.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: Sports is just an extension of life.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: All of these things are just an extension of real life.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: So when I say groom, obviously, you know, you're you know, I I would have focused sessions where, you know, I explain to them, you know, what what a cap rate is and what per annum is, and you know, all of these different terms, right?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: Even terms that I'm still learning.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Again, I'm I'll be 23 next month.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, by the time I have kids, I I feel as though I'll be very well versed in business uh with the trajectory that I'm on.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: But um I want to prepare them to be well-rounded and good people.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: And when you create and cultivate well-rounded and good people, and not only that, you are a well-rounded and good person yourself, and good is subjective, right?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean in the sense of you know being principled and and standing on morals and values.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: If I that's what I desire to instill into my kids, and whether you want to go to college, whether you want to freaking be a horse jockey, I don't care what you want to do, but you have to be able to stand on principle, stand on morals, stand on value.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that is gonna take you wherever you want to go.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: And in the event that you need a restart or whatever the case is, you know, I I want to be there to help.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, that's something that uh, you know, and coming from, you know, coming from where I come from, you know, I haven't had that luxury uh some people have, um, where, you know, they're able to stay at home, they're able to um, you know, get themselves together while they figure out what they desire to do.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't have that luxury.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I want to provide.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: And the thing is, it's not a luxury.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's almost like a prerequisite for your children.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but nevertheless, uh that that I I I desire to make sure that my kids are prepared.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, again, they're they're gonna be prepared financially.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like these are the years where I'm gonna make sure that.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: But morally, in the sense of principle, in the sense of, do I even have time to instill these things into my kids, right?
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I think at this young age, it's good to, you know, you know, really put your pedal to the middle and work hard because, you know, at 30, 35, man, I want to be spending time with my kids, bro.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like that, that's that's what I want.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, these years for me are just primarily focused on building the biggest thing possible.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, when I reach those levels and you know, I'm with my children in those formative years, I'll be able to, I won't miss anything.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I'll be able to prepare them and uh you know lace their boots as they would say, uh to go out into the world and and be, you know, be great humans.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, what what principles are really important for you to instill into your children?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um being and not doing.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think we had this conversation before.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: I am a human being, I'm not a human doing, I'm not a human trying, I'm not a human thinking, I'm a human being, I'm supposed to be.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: So whatever I'm supposed to be, I need to be that, right?
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: I need to do the things that are going to allow me to be that.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, another thing is again being diligent, being prepared, you know, making sure that you are always uh in a in a mindset to be taught.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, a lot of kids aren't.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't, right?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not expecting my kids to just sit down and freaking learn.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: But again, those are things that you instill at a young age to say, hey, you know, you might not want to touch that that hot eye on the stove.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_02: You you might not want to do that.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna tell you not to do it, but you might not want to.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: You choose to touch it and you find out it's hot.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: I told you before that you might not want to do it, but now you know that you should do it.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: And now you know, you know what?
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe dad probably knows a little something.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe he knows something about life that I don't know.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: So though those are the things that I want to instill, just being diligent, being period, you know, doing the things to be, um, being prepared to learn, being prepared to listen, and and just striving to always be better, not in the sense of, oh, um I want to be better than this person, or I'm striving to be better than my dad.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, no, like I want you to be your the best version of you.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and that that's what I want to instill into my life.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I think when I think when you're at such a young age, too, you don't understand that your parents do know a lot and they have you know this 30, 40, 50 years of life experience.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: You don't understand that it's for me.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: I know I had to learn a lot that my parents told me that I ultimately found to be true, I had to learn it on my own.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Simply because I kind of forced myself to have to learn it on my own.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: So because of that, I just you know learned some lessons the hard way.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um so you know, it's definitely very good to be teachable.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: I know whether it's from sports, whether it's in a hot iron, but uh yeah, it's it's it's it's difficult at such a young age.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I I wanted to move on now.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: We've been on business for quite some time now, 30, 40 minutes.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um I just want to say, like, how do you balance because you're a very fit uh well well-being guy, and you know, you have you're in touch with religion, you're in touch with fitness, you go to the gym, you play basketball, about the a social life.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how do you balance all this with business?
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's such a tough question.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still learning how to.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think that's the best answer I can really give.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm still learning how um, you know, even with the relationship that I'm in, you know, I have so many um commitments, right?
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's just uh I want to move more towards having structure.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: Again, that's very important being organized, having structure, but I also don't want that to get so structured to where I don't feel and listen to certain.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_02: That I know I should or shouldn't be doing.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I think in life, life is so delicate and spontaneous where a lot of things happen that are not according to the plan that we set out.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: So I think for me, I balance it by allowing room for things to happen in a sense of like, you know, maybe the appointments that I set or just whatever, whatever it may be, you know, I just really try to prioritize the most important things, obviously, but I leave room for for life because life will happen, um, whether you want it to or not.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I think that's a part of the balance, is not only do I balance with other people, but I balance with life.
• 45:02
  unknown: I balance with myself.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I need time alone, right?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes, you know, I need to be around people.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I need to be at the gym.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I need to be in this meeting.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I don't need to take the meeting.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it just depends on what what life is giving me at that moment, what God is giving me at that moment, what I'm giving myself, what my what my woman is giving me.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_02: It it all depends.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_02: So to answer your question, I really just try to leave um, just leave a lot of space for kind of things to uh unravel in the way that they're supposed to.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: And and that's where, you know, being organized and you know, as you said, being diligent with your time really, really plays a role because you can do that and just not get anything done because you're not really organized with your time.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're organized with your time, you have time throughout a day to let it just naturally flow and duck it with your day while also you know not being overly stressed.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: Something I've recently started doing is in between my work time, which is mental energy, I've started using some physical energy, which is just going on a short 10, 15, maybe 20 minute mindful walk.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I just listen to the birds and the the nature around, but sometimes I'll listen to my normal beach, which also can just help relieve your mind and de-stress a little bit.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's good.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's whatever, whatever is you know, one one thing that I love about this lights thing is that there's so many different ways to do it.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_02: And um whatever, you know, whatever's clever, bro.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like whatever, whatever works for you, and whatever, you know, some people is maybe you're not walking, maybe you're running, maybe it's you know, sitting down and you know, watching a couple shows on Netflix.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: Not too much, obviously.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, for for some people, maybe it's having a cup of tea, whatever it is, you know, playing with their dog.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, you have to find what works for you.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: I think sometimes, you know, in this self-development journey, we try to take all of these strategies from other individuals, not realizing that this is a completely different human being with different beliefs, different background, different upbringing, different set of principles, different set of morals, different set of values.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_02: And we try to take what works for them, and then we it doesn't work for us, and then we wonder why.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's because it's a different human.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, it's just sometimes it just doesn't work, and that's okay.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes we get caught up in like, oh, well, no, this guy, he's a he's a millionaire, he's a seven, eight figure guy, and yeah, um, you know, he does this.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_02: So if if I'm not doing this, then I'm it's like, oh man, it it if it don't work for you, it don't work for you, man.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know, just let it be.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: Find what works for you.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's like that's like the millionaire morning routine.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I've probably fallen into that myself in the in the past few years, where it's just it honestly, it's kind of easier because you just shut your brain off and you just listen to what they say, and it just it's easier because you don't have to do your own thinking.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um and as you said, it's not it can work for you, it might, but you're a different human, you're a different human being, and you know, because of that, it's have different circumstances, you have a different upbringing, you have different mentality, and so nine times out of ten, most likely it's not gonna work for you.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think, you know, taking some bits and pieces from different people.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: I spoke with uh a friend of mine, Keenan, the other day.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: He's also a massive uh real estate investor, and he actually had his brother is uh the e-com guy for Ty Lopez.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: So pretty successful pair of brothers.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: But he was telling me, you know, in the beginning, what you should do rather than just taking over someone else's persona kind of thing, and you know, taking what they say word for word and taking it to heart, kind of Costco sample it.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so if you're going to Costco, you're taking samples of every little thing, whether I'm talking to you or I'm talking to another investor, I'm talking to someone else, taking little bits and pieces that can eventually help me create this entire person who is fully developed.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: And you're taking these bits and pieces, but you're not just copy and pasting from one person to the next entirely.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that's definitely good insight.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, kind of to piggyback off of that, one thing that my dad told me that I'll never forget, and I believe I told you this as well, is um don't buy everything at the yard sale.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I was maybe like, I don't know, like probably 19 or 20 when he told me that, somewhere around there.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, yo, what do you mean don't buy everything at the yard sale?
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_02: He said, you know, people sell things that they don't want at the yard sale, so why would you buy all of the stuff that they don't want?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_02: And he said it, he said it it's a metaphor for the the things that people think and the things that people say, right?
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_02: So if I go to a yard sale and I only need a toolbox, I'm not gonna get a fine china set and you know some subwoofers and you know, all of the stuff that I don't need, right?
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna get what I need and I'm gonna go.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because again, they're selling all of this stuff for a reason because they don't need it.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_02: So what would I look like buying everything at this yard sale?
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: And now I have a yard sale with not only my junk, but somebody else's junk that I bought all of, right?
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, when you said that, that's what that made me think of.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: And that's something that I always uh go back to.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, something that my dad told me, uh it's it's just been so it's been so so valuable for me um as a as a young man to really consider that because you know now I really take you know a lot of things from individuals that even if I don't like what you have to say, there's something in what you said that I may be able to use at a later point.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I think you know, I when you were saying that I started thinking about courses.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: There's a there's so many people, and I don't want to say any names, but there's so many people that just do courses and that's their way of income, but they're teaching you a course on real estate, they're teaching you a course on how to sell real estate or how to do X, Y, and Z, and they don't even do X, Y, and Z.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: They make their money off courses, and I that's what that kind of made me think of.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, you see these funnels as well where it's like, oh, this is worth$1,400, this is worth$9.97, this is worth$2,000, it's worth$5,000.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, but oh, I'm gonna give it to you all for a thousand.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: But in reality, it's it's it's the same thing as charge sale.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's something that they don't want and they're not benefiting from.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, obviously there are some good funnels, some good courses, um, some good gurus, but a lot of them are just they do that instead of the real thing, which is what I thought of from that.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think, you know, when it comes to that, you know, one thing that I learned from a course I actually took was people want to learn from people in which they learn from the best.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, it's all about stopping.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_02: So if I teach in a certain way that you are able to receive, I want to learn more from you, not from this other guy who makes it hard for me to understand.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: But another person may like the other guy rather than the guy that I like.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a market for everybody when it comes to that.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then you know, when it comes to, oh, it's really worth$5,000 or whatever, that's obviously going to be the sell to sales tactics to make it seem what it actually is.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um and get them to feel like, oh, well, if this is worth$3,000 and you're giving it to me for$9.97, this is a great deal, right?
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: In theory, but how do you know it's really worth$3,000?
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: But nevertheless, um, I just wanted to put that quick tip in and yeah.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wanted to ask as well, how do you so for me, what I like, what I love to do now is I actually stopped lifting a little bit now.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: It just got boring.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, it's the same thing, same same same repetition, same same thing every time.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I've recently dove into um combat sports.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: I started doing some boxing training and I hate it right now, not the boxing.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: I like boxing training, but I hate running.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been running here in the mornings.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I have to say, when I when I kind of you know, when I'm 15 or 30 minutes into it, I love it.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: It makes me feel great and it gives you that natural just it's it's hard, man.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's difficult because you have to one thing I have to learn is just how to even breathe while you're running.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I want to see what kind of fitness routine, if you have a routine, or if you just go and do what you want to do and get some sort of physical activity throughout a day, that you're you know getting that physical energy exerted as well as that mental energy.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think um right now uh my goal is to be in the gym every day, not not necessarily to work out every day.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, the goal is to work out five days a week and then have two active recovery days.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: When I what I mean by active recovery is um doing something uh that instilled physical activity but isn't um um strenuous activity.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh maybe it's stretching, maybe it's um walking on the treadmill.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um to me, you know, active recovery in a way is uh, you know, sometimes, you know, playing basketball or getting some shots up, you know, running a couple of games, you know, just for some cardio, right?
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_02: But um, you know, I I have my you know my push days, my pull days, uh leg day, and then abs.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_02: And then I always try to wrap up with, you know, some type of cardio if possible.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm trying to get to a point where I don't I'm not in the gym super long, but because usually like if I if I do anything but abs um, because usually like if it's push, pull or legs, uh, I always uh add um an ab circuit at the ink.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um as basically every day.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_02: Abs every day, yeah.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: So um I'm usually in there like unless I'm just in there super, super quick doing three exercises, three sets of each, and I'm getting out.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, if I'm doing a full-blown exercise, I'm usually in there for about an hour or two hours.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it's funny, so when I started working out myself, I'm not sure if you have a similar story, but I was very, very overweight and I had very bad mental health to pair with that, which is obviously not a not a great match or one another.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: But I got into the gym, I wanted abs and I wanted to lose weight.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I tell people to this day, it's not even you know, weight loss or physical improvement um necessarily that gets me into it.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: I I would make a very good argument that your mental health is almost more impacted by working out than um your physical.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what obviously they play into one another, but one thing with uh that one that I've started doing recently is cold plunging.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_01: That just the cold water just I feel like for me, it just makes your mind just it gets your mind clear and it gives you some mental clarity.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um but then also running, that's what I was saying earlier, you know, with that the natural dopamine, it just really gets you in a great mood.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it elevates uh elevates the rest of your day.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think if you have a good morning routine, it kind of sets the tone for the rest of the day.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard uh a saying a few times now that you know you win the first the the best way to win a day is to win the first hour of the day in the morning.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, my um my guy Danny that uh helps me out with my credit, you know, that he says win the day a lot.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, you win the day, you win enough days, you can win the week, win enough weeks, you can win the month, you win enough months, you can win the year, and so on and so forth, right?
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I think you know, when it comes to entrepreneurship, you know, health is definitely wealth.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like I feel like a lot of entrepreneurs are starting to realize that now, is that you can have you can have all of this money, right?
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_02: But if you're not physically fit, then what is it worth?
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_02: If you're not able to spend time with your kids and run around with your kids on the beach that you just took a vacation on, what is it worth?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: That that's what that's the thing that I think of.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I I just feel like all every action always impacts somebody else.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, when when you think about it in that way, it's like, okay, who am I impacting by doing this?
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and sometimes, you know, the only person that you're impacting is yourself, uh, whether it be positively or negatively.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like the I just I just like to consider things like that because it's worth considering.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that's just the type of person that I am, not in the sense that that's gonna change.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um maybe it won't change anything.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: Or it's not in the sense that you know I care what people think, but in the sense that I I just like to be thoughtful um about what I'm doing, why I'm doing it, and who I'm doing it for.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: Just being mindful about what you're partaken in throughout a day.
• 59:43
  unknown: Yeah.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: How do you manage stress?
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, is it through working out, or is it through prayer?
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: Is it through I know you were talking about earlier running yourself, or I don't know if that was an example you're making for other people?
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it would sound like you're very, very busy throughout the day.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, from our prior conversation, I know you're busy with business, you're busy, you're busy with multiple businesses.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: You're busy, as you said, going to the gym an hour, maybe two hours every day.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: How do you it make time for yourself to just not get overly worried, overly stressed out?
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I watch a I watch a lot of YouTube.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like, so sometimes it can become an unhealthy amount.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but YouTube is definitely a way for me to decompress um playing chess, learning, you know, learning new skills to an extent.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes, you know, I get caught up in always wanting to develop, always wanting to get better, always wanting to improve, where I literally don't take any tie to just sit and like be a couch potato.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like sometimes that's necessary, right?
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: In order for you to truly refuel.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, definitely prayer, definitely working out.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um and yeah, just sitting and you know, just having my moments of being lazy, because I mean I'm a I'm a busy individual, so you know, the times where I'm not busy, I like to relax, and sometimes it's very challenging to just turn it off mentally.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um but you know, I I do I do take time to um you know relax and decompress uh and you know kind of get away from all of the hustling and bustle from you know the business spectrum.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think that I think it's very unique that you're saying that you need to be lazy sometimes because it's the truth, but also the other part of it is I think when you're a beginner entrepreneur or when you first started developing developing these this mindset, uh what I did is I started sleeping six hours just basically to uh maximize the amount of hours that I was awake to be productive.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: And by doing so, I actually minimized or at least reduced how productive I actually was within those hours.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I wasn't giving my chance of being lazy.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's really just more of a mental masturbation than actually being productive because I know we've talked about this before, where you're organized, if you're diligent with your time, um this podcast today, but um you know you're gonna be able to get a lot more done while also being able to be lazy at times throughout the day.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, in in this business, you know, me and my partners, we just hired uh a VA ser.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's one of the things that you know allow me to focus on higher leverage tasks that need to get done.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um and that's a benefit for me because that's one less thing on my plate.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: Because again, it just goes all the way back to networking and opportunities.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_02: When you network, you get opportunities, and when these networking opportunities turn into actual opportunities, they allow you to save time, and that's the most valuable thing, or well, probably the most valuable resource that we have in this life is time.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_02: We cannot get it back.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: There is no receipt for it, there is no 30-day time back guarantee, like it doesn't exist, right?
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_02: So all of these things that we spend time on, you know, and again, you know, it's you have to know how to enjoy things in moderation.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_02: And that's still something that I'm learning, man.
• 1:04:04
  unknown: I love YouTubers too, bro.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like not on not only for leisure, but also it's it's a great place to learn.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um but nevertheless, it's uh sometimes it can I can find myself wasting time on it.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um but you know, again, having people around that hold you accountable and know your potential and want to get that potential out of you, want that potential to be realized.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you have to keep those individuals around.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um those individuals are also gonna help you outsource some of those things that you didn't want to do anyway.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm good at cold calling, but I don't like cold calling.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_02: So guess what I did?
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_02: I hired a VA.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'd rather teach how to cold call or teach my strategies on cold calling rather than doing the cold calling themselves, because at this point in my uh real estate career, um, it is not a high-leverage task for me.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're thinking about a VA, you're not hiring, you're not paying for cold calling what you're paying for.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's literally your time.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because cold calling is very important in real estate in real estate specifically, but also other sales jobs and other sales businesses and other businesses, and like every business has some sort of sales involved.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_01: So cold calling is very important in so many different businesses.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_01: But VAs, if you can find a good one, a lot of them are actually very helpful and they're able to produce results.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: But even you're not even buying cold calling.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, you're buying the the time, you're buying eight hours of time.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, these VAs most of the time they're pretty cheap, they're you know, four to six dollars, eight dollars an hour.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: Your money is your time.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: Worth six dollars an hour.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: If yes, then there's it's kind of a no-brainer whether you're gonna you know waste your time tediously dialing away, or you're gonna just hire someone to do that for you.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, obviously there's some people who are in the beginning of their business and they can't afford to, and you know, cold calling can still be a very good thing to do in the beginning of your business yourself because you can produce a lot of results and it's one of the most cost-effective ways to do so as well.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll say another thing too.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_02: Even with even with Chat GPT, right?
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_02: There smart people make systems smart.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_02: Dumb people make systems dumb.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_02: So if I'm not a smart individual and I try to use Chat GPT, just because Chat GPT is AI doesn't mean that it's just gonna be smart for me.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's just gonna come down to my level of uh intelligence.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_02: So conversely, if I'm a smart, intelligent individual, ChatGPT or the VA or whoever is then going to rise to my level of intelligence, and we're gonna have an easy and seamless connection because I'm an intelligent individual that is organized and has systems.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: Where someone who isn't intelligent in the sense of business and organization, they're not organized, they don't have a system, they don't have a script, they don't, you know, they haven't been past a certain stage in a phone call or whatever the case may be, you know, that that's gonna hold people up.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_02: And some people think that just because you use these systems, it's gonna make you better off.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna make, you know, fifty thousand or a hundred thousand a month.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's not gonna happen if you don't have the right systems.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um if you don't have the right systems in in place in your own life, not even any other CRM or whatever, right?
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna matter because if you're not organized, it makes no difference.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: Organization is an organization being diligent with your time is a recurring theme of this podcast again.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, I was gonna ask on YouTube too.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_01: Are you are you typically using that for learning, or do you is that part of your being lazy?
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: You're just you know for leisure watching Mr.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: Beast and watching whoever else is being having met all.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't watch Mr.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_02: Beast though.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_02: Big shout out to Mr.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_02: Beast, but I don't watch Mr.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_02: Beast.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um I watch a lot of gaming walkthroughs.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um uh so essentially I I'm I'm a big uh sports sim type of guy.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, FIFA Madden, 2K, MLB the show, uh you know, um NCAA, you know, all of those titles.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I've played those since I was a kid.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_02: I think the first game or the first Madden I had, I want to say was oh five or oh seven.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_02: Me personally, I think oh seven and and twelve are the best Maddens ever to me.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but that's neither here nor there.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_02: But um I watch a lot of gaming walkthroughs, uh you know, just silly stuff.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_02: But then all on the learning side, it's a lot of chess, it's a lot of real estate, it's a lot of you know self-development and understanding my mind, um, business credit and funding, um, you know, just different business avenues, uh as far as uh, you know, business acquiring an actual business, buying a business, um, you know, just different things like that.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_02: I just try to learn as much about it.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, learning new languages, um, exercise, you know, basketball workouts, stuff like that.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_02: So, but sometimes on YouTube, because both of those things are kind of right, like side by side to each other, yeah.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, okay, do I want to learn right now or do I just want to like not do anything?
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's the divide that that happens sometimes.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: And it is good to have a balance of both.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you know, you probably want to have some more emphasis on the on the learning, not as much on the on the leisure, but you know, it's still it's still important to have a little bit of both.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, can you take me into why you got into chess and you know, if you're learning any lessons from it that'll kind of transition or integrate into your into your personal day-to-day life, your business day-to-day life?
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I actually won so I won two games and lost two games yesterday.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I won I won a game online and in person, and then I lost the game online in person.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh because there was a guy that uh I was talking to at the Y yesterday.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_02: Who uh we ended up playing a game together.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it was super dope.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_02: And then the game I won online, I actually beat the guy with uh with five seconds left.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_02: It was a 10-minute running clock for each side, and I got checkmate with five seconds left.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_02: I was very, very happy about that.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't play a good game at all.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_02: I shouldn't have won.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_02: But um what I've learned from chess is that I the way I played chess, or the way I played chess in the beginning is the way that I operated in life.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_02: I was very aggressive, I didn't protect my pieces, I was always on the attack.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um I didn't think through my moves.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I didn't make my move considering what the next move would be, or you know, just certain things like that.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_02: So that part, and it's still a learning curve.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm I'm I'm really not good.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_02: I just started playing chess like consistently, I want to say, in maybe like May or June.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like a 400 Elo player.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm not very good at all.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_02: But what I've learned is you have to be very thoughtful, but you also have to take opportunity when it presents itself.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_02: And you can't be allowed to lose things in order to gain a win.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I think now after you know taking the losses and taking the beatings in the beginning, um, you know, you kind of get jaded to not wanting to give up any of your pieces.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_02: But in reality, giving up certain pieces or giving up certain things is going to allow other things to open up in order for you to win the actual game instead of, or I'll put it like this like you have to give up pieces in order to win the the war instead of the battle.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sometimes you you you lose certain battles in chess, but you win the war at the end of it.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, for instance, with the game that I won yesterday with five seconds left, there were battles that I lost, but I, you know, inevitably won the war.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um and, you know, same thing, you know, yesterday, even with the games that I lose, uh, those those are the ones that are most instructive.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, losses are a lot more instructive than wins.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_02: But even in chess, I've seen, you know, I uh I play chess on chess.com and I have the uh platinum membership, so I'm able to go and recap all of my games and see all the moves that I missed.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_02: And there are some times where the game will go on 20 more moves, but it could have been done, or or I could have got checkmate in a certain move, but I just didn't see it.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I would prolong the game, even though I had a winning position, I would prolong the game no, you know, when I just could have got checkmate.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just it's just so much that I'm learning, and I'm learning in life to really slow down and consider every move, not only from my position, but from someone else's position.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like what moves do they have available?
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know, are their pieces protected?
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_02: Are my pieces protected?
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, what is the consequence if I take this piece here?
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know, if I if I move here and then and if they move their pawn, you know, it's it's just I just I'm just able to think uh a lot more um clearly um in a sequential fashion.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and it and it's shown itself in my life.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and it's it's been it's been great.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_01: And and just learning from your mistakes, too.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's I mean, you know, whether it's you could have edited a game earlier, and even if you won, or you know, just going from being aggressive both in real life and in the game, to being more considerate with what moves you're making, what sacrifices you're willing to make.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, going back to the 2K and all the all the video games, it's just it's crazy.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Again, like I said, to me that you know you're able to make time for this kind of thing.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like usually when you think of entrepreneurship, it's like, oh yeah, you have to get rid of all these things.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_01: And we spoke about the Eisenhower matrix the other day with the um, for those who don't know that what that is, it's a very important and very urgent, uh important, not urgent, urgent, not important, and not important, not urgent.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, typically you'd probably think of 2K and you know, other video games being in the not important, not urgent, but you're still able to be very productive with your time, getting a lot of these very important, very urgent and important things done while also making time for leisure and making time for video games and and YouTube.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's not a um it's not an overindulgence, right?
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like too much of a good thing can I mean too much of a uh yeah, too much of a good thing could be a bad thing, right?
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, another thing that I enjoy doing is uh, you know, I I love I love a good cigar, right?
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_02: Smoke a cigar is every single day.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, once in a while I enjoy having a cigar.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I would love if it was more than once in a while, but I don't need it to be every day.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's everything is in moderation, right?
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, video games, even you know, chess, um, you know, just all of these things uh just have to be moderated so you're you're taking in a healthy amount of it.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, ibuprofen is great, but if you take too many, you know, you're probably gonna have your last headache, right?
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you're not gonna have a headache anymore after that.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_02: You take too many ibuprofen.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, everything is good.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_02: You just need to be able to moderate it and have the discipline to know, okay, this is, you know, I've been on the game for an hour.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_02: I've been on the game for an hour and a half, like this isn't stopping for right now.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think these video games are created a lot of the time to not make it very easy to do that.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Not be make it very easy to get off within an hour, hour and a half, and be it can easily become an all-nighter or all all day, all night, like many uh um type thing.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I used to I that was my thing too when I used to play video games as specifically NBA 2K, and it just takes several, several hours of your life.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, nowadays there's the the e-gamers, the esports that you can make good money off of, but obviously are doing that.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_01: So it's good to be able to have that self-control to be able to indulge yourself in it, but also not go overboard.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, absolutely.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, my um my vice was uh my vice was always like Madden and um NCA football.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_02: But that that's been my advice for a very, very long time.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um I've spent hours on NCAA, you know, with recruiting and you know winning these games and you just all all the stuff, getting the best recruits, all that stuff.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_02: Now I will say, when I'm bringing in a million a month, guess what I'm gonna be doing?
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna definitely take a day where I'm gonna do nothing but play my Xbox.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like, because I earned it.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, right now, again, moderation, like, you know, I'm I'm not going to uh it is it's all about priorities.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_02: If I if I know I have to make some calls about this property, or if I know I have to um you know prepare a layout for this new product that we're gonna make a new uh website for, then you know, I'm not gonna be like, oh, I'll do it later.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna play a game of, you know, I'm gonna play a game of Magic, or I'm gonna get on my player or whatever it is.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's just that's just not a priority.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Is that making any money?
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_02: Not not for me.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, those things I I've been able to consider them um and again just be more mindful about what's important.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um what what's urgent?
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's if it's not important and it's not urgent, then you know, it can be done at at the very end of everything that we're doing, and not only that, it'll be done with moderation as well.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: I I had a I I probably had a 99 overall player, and you know, I haven't used him in I don't know, six months now, and I'm sure, I'm sure nothing is there waiting for me very much.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's it's it's it's always gonna be there.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, having the priority and you know, getting the other things done that you need to do first, and then you know, if you have that time to have time for your leisure and do it, uh enjoy your time.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I would even argue it's better to do that, better to enjoy your time rather than you know being lazy by you know taking a nap or something, just oversleeping or something.
• 1:20:21
  unknown: Yeah, reload.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that's one thing that I will always advocate for is a good nap.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_02: I've woken up from some 15-minute naps, and I I've just been ready to like freaking pick the world up and throw it.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's just made me some it's just like a like our brains, it's literally a supercomputer, right?
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_02: We have all of these things in our brain, and sometimes you need to put it on the charger and let it reboot, you know, and then you wake up and you're like, man, like all of my brain ramps clear.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like I can think now, like I can think about all of this stuff again.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you don't you're not getting so overwhelmed because you you took a minute to just you know shut down for a little while.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like that that stuff's important, whether it's an app, whether it's YouTube, what what whether it's playing the video game, whether it's going swimming, what whatever that is for you, you know, that like you have to take that time to remove your brain from being in performance all the time.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_01: So you know the issue for me was growing up when I had my depression and my bad mental health and everything like that.
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_01: I remember I would come home from school and go straight to my room and go to sleep.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_01: And obviously, that's not healthy.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's I've realized recently that you know short naps actually somehow give you a lot more energy than long naps.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_01: You can sleep two hours and wake up tired, but you feel if you sleep 15 minutes, like you said, um you actually wake up energized.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_01: And something I've found out about within the last six months or so is military naps where you sleep on the floor, you put your legs up onto an elevated surface above your heart.
• 1:22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um typically, I think it's supposed to be like two, three, four feet up.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_01: Four feet might be high, but two, three, two or three feet up in the air.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it just helps you fall asleep.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_01: And you do that for like 10 minutes, and it actually when I've done it, I haven't actually fallen asleep most of the time, but I have um felt energized.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_01: It so you're you're resting, but you're not necessarily asleep.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's that too, where you don't fall like asleep, but like, because you're still aware of your surroundings, you know, but you're like your brain is kind of like it's literally a computer, like your brain is in sleep mode.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_02: So it's so if you put your computer, if I put my Mac in sleep mode right now and I close it, it's not gonna be on technically.
• 1:23:02
  SPEAKER_02: But if I open it back up, I'm gonna be right back to where I was before I put it in sleep mode.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_02: So it w we're the same way.
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_02: I have to try that though.
• 1:23:12
  unknown: I have to try that.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's I I definitely highly suggest trying that, especially if you're running low on time, you don't have 20, 30 minutes to nab.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_01: I I would say that's a great way to get a quick nap in and actually feel or rejuvenated afterwards.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I did I I when I said that I actually remember there was one time recently I did that and I did fall asleep.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think I did that for a little longer, 13, 14, maybe 15 minutes.
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but still felt re-energized.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_01: And when I take short naps too, it's similar to when I when I was talking about earlier the the mindful walks, where your mind just feels more mental clarity and it feels like it's ready to go back into it, even though it's only been you worked maybe six hours and then you took a nap and it's only been 15 minutes now.
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_01: You're ready to work another six hours or whatever it is.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_01: So just that short period of time really helps.
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_01: But we have spoken, you know, off camera before about your relationship um with your woman and how you guys met and how she actually lives out of state.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I'm sure that's difficult.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, not being able to see her too often in person, at least.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you know you guys talk pretty pretty often over the phone and FaceTime and all the technology that we have at our hands um free nowadays.
• 1:24:39
  unknown: Yeah, seriously.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think it's just so it's just so crazy.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, obviously, you know, when you talk about I you know I'm smiling out.
• 1:24:51
  unknown: I love her.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_02: She actually speaking out, man.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, bro.
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's that's my boo.
• 1:24:57
  SPEAKER_02: I love her, man.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's she's my she's my best friend before anything.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_02: And that was something that, you know, uh before I met her, that was something that I wanted to prioritize in my next relationship.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_02: Is that like I didn't want to um not be friends with who I was going to choose to, you know, be in a serious relationship with.
• 1:25:24
  SPEAKER_02: But she's been so much more than a friend, you know, she she's been my my confidence, she's been my therapist, she's been my business partner, she's been my consultant, she's been my uh accountability partner, my gym partner, just part my partner in all in all aspects and in all ways.
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, a true Proverbs 31 woman, you know, through and through.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um so yeah, it it is challenging.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, we've definitely had our challenges, you know.
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh she I'm in Indianapolis, she stays in Baltimore, so we're 600 miles away.
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_02: So um it's not easy at all.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_02: I actually drove out there a few months ago, a couple months ago.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_02: 1,200 miles round trip, uh 10 hours including hour of love.
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that's that's true love, bro.
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like no one can tell me I'm not in love with this.
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like not driving it, you're not driving 1200 miles for someone that you just want to sleep with one time or something.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, not at all.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, even even with that, you know, you know, she's in her absence journey.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm in my absence journey, I believe.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't remember the exact date, but like December, it's sometime in December, it'll make uh it'll make three years of me being absent.
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um so that's something that we prioritize heavily in our relationship.
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, she's she's a believer as well.
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_02: So um the priority was just making sure that we were equally open um in business and you know, physically, mentally, financially, all these different ways, all of all of which we're still working on, right?
• 1:27:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, she's she's uh she's still in uh college, you know, she's gonna be a junior this year, and you know, she has a business as well.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um so you know, all of these things we're still continuing to work through.
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_02: But um I think it's gonna be a beautiful thing.
• 1:27:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um you know, once we reach the stage where we'll be able to share our testimony uh to other individuals who may not believe in long distance.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um because what's crazy is I knew that uh the the woman that I wanted, she wasn't in Indianapolis, but I just knew she wasn't.
• 1:27:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um I didn't know where she was, but I just knew she wasn't in Indianapolis because for me, you know, with all due respect to you know all the women in the city, like you know, if you've had one, you've had them all.
• 1:27:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's just how I felt about it.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_02: So knowing that, having that now, it's just like Okay, well I'm I'm good on anything here.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_02: I've lived here all my life, you know, like there's there's nothing new here for me.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_02: I I knew that for a fact.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_02: So um I accepted the challenge of, you know, what what this entails and it's been challenging.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know, it's a child that I accept and it's a child that I'm willing to take on and that I'm uh, you know, willing to take for longer.
• 1:28:27
  SPEAKER_01: It sounds like, I mean, today where there's so much hookup culture and short-term relationships, you guys almost have, or I would say do have a stronger relationship than most people do when they're living with one another, and you guys are 600 miles apart.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's um it's very strong because we didn't prioritize the physic the physical part of it.
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_02: So when the before I even go forward, let me be very clear.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm very attracted to this woman.
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna sit here and act like I don't want to go to the next level physically with this woman.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm a man, you know, I just want to make that very clear.
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_02: But discipline is more important to me respecting her, respecting God, respecting, you know, just all of respecting myself, frankly.
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, those things are of utmost importance to me.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_02: But saying that, um, you know, having the having the physical part out of the way, uh building a relationship from that point was super easy.
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I won't say easy, but it was simple because we knew what we wanted.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_02: And when you have two people coming together that know what they want, it's very easy to build a very strong and meaningful and substantial relationship.
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_02: I like the relationships that are built on substance.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, from 16, you know, everybody starts dating in high school, right?
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, around like actually dating, you know, in uh, you know, freshman, sophomore year or whatever.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so you know, from 16 to, you know, about 20, you know, I was dating, but you know, I did not have substantial uh, you know, or relationships of substance.
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_02: So knowing what a relationship that was very shallow looked and felt like, I know that I knew that that's something that I didn't want.
• 1:30:35
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, with me and Lauren, shout out Lauren Kelly, uh the dot trillis dolls on Instagram, go check her out.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_02: But um, but yeah, that that was very that that was a priority for me to build that relationship, build the friendship, and like that's literally like that's that's my best friend, bro.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like I we we talk every single day um and about any and everything.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like we're like we're so comfortable with each other, it's it's gross.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's actually disgusting.
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_01: So you were you were a player before?
• 1:31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_01: In a 20.
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 1:31:21
  SPEAKER_01: So so with that being said, then were you did you just recently find find God, find religion?
• 1:31:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'll say that I I started to take my walk with God more seriously.
• 1:31:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_01: What so you mentioned Proverbs 31.1 earlier.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Recite that verse for us.
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's not Proverbs 31.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'll read the uh passage that I'm speaking of.
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'll read.
• 1:31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh just give us just give the overall gist of it if you don't know it by heart.
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:02
  SPEAKER_02: So I I'll read I'll read verse 10 through 12.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_02: This is in the new uh living translation.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, who can find a virtuous and capable wife?
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_02: She is more precious than Ruby's.
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_02: Her husband can trust her, and she will greatly enrich his life.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_02: She brings him good, not harm, all the days of her life.
• 1:32:21
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, the rest of this passage just goes on to talk about all of the qualities about her, with you know, her being an entrepreneur, her picking out a plot of land and buying it and planning on it.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um her wake, her um, you know, taking care of her maids, um, you know, essentially, you know, hit her husband calling her bled, all of these things.
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_02: She's all of that for me.
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_02: And again, you know, there are some areas even in my walk where I'm not I'm not the man that I need to be yet.
• 1:32:58
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, we we complement each other very well.
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um I made sure that I was on the way to being, not even on the way, but I was a complete individual.
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like with God, you are complete.
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_02: And before I really took my relationship with God seriously, I was not, um, I was dealing with incomplete individuals.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_02: So like when people say 50-50 in a relationship, like that's stupid.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't I don't give half of anything.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_02: I give up 100% of everything.
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_02: But realistically, right?
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_02: There have been times where she's given 90 and I've given 10.
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_02: There's times where she's given five, I've given 95.
• 1:33:42
  SPEAKER_02: There's times we it it just depends.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's just the nature of a relationship, right?
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_02: But the goal is always 100-100.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_02: But I, you know, when it comes to just the complimenting part, we were both complete individuals.
• 1:33:57
  SPEAKER_02: You can't compliment someone unless you're complete yourself, right?
• 1:34:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't complete anybody, I'm already complete.
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_02: So when she already came complete, I knew I was already complete.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, okay, well, cool.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, at the end of it all, we can at least be friends, right?
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like I know I can be friends with you.
• 1:34:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but once I really, you know, saw what she was about, um, and saw what her goals were and you know what she was after, uh, it became very easy for me to be like, you know what, I'm I'm hanging it up, I'm done.
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, you're you're the one for me.
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_01: So and I think that's that's very important as well, is to be a complete individual.
• 1:34:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think, you know, nowadays with the online dating with Tinder and Bumble and Inch, I think is another one.
• 1:34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, all these all all these online dating apps, they're I would go as far as arguing that no one on these apps are complete individuals, and that's why they're on there.
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_01: They're desperate for that attention and they're desperate to find or I wouldn't even say it.
• 1:35:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think with Hulk Up Hookup Culture, these people on there are look just looking for hookups.
• 1:35:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're looking to complete themselves, maybe.
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Or they're just looking to get some satisfaction, which for you now would obviously go against your abstinence.
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_01: I actually wanted to touch on that, and just at such a young age, obviously it's not difficult, especially you know, being a successful business owner and being in shape and everything, and it's kind of difficult to get a woman to sleep with.
• 1:35:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what got you into doing that and um what impact has it had on your life?
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, to speak on the impact, you know, not concerning myself with who I want to have sex with has definitely freed up my mind as far as space to think about other things.
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_02: So um I think when I when I closed my first deal, I was on my way to a year being fully, you know, absent.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_02: So it just that kind of just goes to show how focused I was.
• 1:36:16
  SPEAKER_02: And had I not been absent at that time, I definitely would have like spent my time trying to do something super stupid, you know.
• 1:36:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um uh the benefits just it's really just kind of allowed me to see the things that you know I would partake in, whether it be sex, pornography, you know, whatever that may be.
• 1:36:40
  SPEAKER_02: It just allowed me to see it from a lens of um, you know, just how truly unhealthy it is as far as a coping mechanism.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, it affects your testosterone, it affects a whole lot of things that helps a man be a man, right?
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_02: So um those are the benefits.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but as far as what what was the other one, I'm sorry?
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_02: What got you into it?
• 1:37:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so that was the time where that was the space where I started to really take out more seriously.
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_02: That was 2020.
• 1:37:19
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 1:37:22
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:37:24
  SPEAKER_02: That was 2020.
• 1:37:26
  SPEAKER_02: That was 2020.
• 1:37:27
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I had just turned 20 years old, and you know, I'm in a whole new decade now, right?
• 1:37:35
  SPEAKER_02: So uh, but I had started to get in contact with some of my uh old buddies from high school when they were on the Bible study call.
• 1:37:43
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, they will be on a call every night, you know, doing a devotional and just, you know, fellowshiping.
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_02: And it was it was something that that's what really got me connected back with God in a very, very serious way.
• 1:37:55
  SPEAKER_02: And the last time I had a sexual encounter, the conviction was just too much for me.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I just no, I don't want to do this ever again if it's not with the person that I'm gonna be spending my life with.
• 1:38:12
  SPEAKER_02: I just I couldn't, I couldn't do it.
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, not even that I couldn't, because obviously can't is the inability to, yeah, I wouldn't do it.
• 1:38:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and that and that that was my choice, that has been my choice.
• 1:38:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's what made me pursue it because you know, again, like these these individuals that I was having these encounters with, and I've even told my woman this, all of these individuals that I've had these encounters with, I don't even speak to any of these individuals anymore.
• 1:38:43
  SPEAKER_02: And these are handfuls of women.
• 1:38:45
  SPEAKER_02: And this is not anything to brag about at all.
• 1:38:47
  SPEAKER_02: But it's just it just goes to show that what you said with the culture that we live in, um, it's just so unhealthy because we just seek to fill uh uh a void that can only be filled by one thing.
• 1:39:01
  SPEAKER_02: And my um to my understanding, that that void has been filled for me.
• 1:39:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and that is why I am complete.
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_02: I feel as though I am complete.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_02: There are some things that I need to shore up on.
• 1:39:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but as far as that void being filled, I am complete in that sense.
• 1:39:18
  SPEAKER_02: I won't say that I'm complete in the sense of like I'm a finish product because of it.
• 1:39:23
  SPEAKER_02: But um, as far as that void being filled, um, it definitely is.
• 1:39:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but that's what got me into it.
• 1:39:30
  SPEAKER_01: And after that, I'm like, yeah, um.
• 1:39:34
  SPEAKER_01: So now that you've found your life partner, your forever woman It's kind of hypothetical, but what you do you think it would be, do you think you still would be absent if you guys lived in the same state?
• 1:39:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, you know, this is a yes or no question.
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_02: The answer is probably no.
• 1:39:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, I don't, I don't believe I would.
• 1:39:57
  SPEAKER_02: And we've had this conversation before, and we're like, yo, we especially at the beginning of our relationship, because we we we made a connection so quickly, uh where uh like just the chemistry that we had, it just would have it just would have went it wouldn't have gone.
• 1:40:20
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that was uh a guardrail that that God considered.
• 1:40:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh knowing where we both were in our walks and knowing um you know that that was to that was for safety reasons, and I truly believe that.
• 1:40:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, I definitely know to answer your question.
• 1:40:41
  SPEAKER_02: I I I don't believe I would.
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_02: But going to visit um has allowed me to better understand how to interact and how to deal with a woman that I am attracted to and that I want to be my wife in a in a pure way.
• 1:40:59
  SPEAKER_02: And that's very challenging at 22 years old when we've had you know all of these different you know experiences.
• 1:41:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um again, not bragging at all, like I'm not proud of it in any sense, but that's the reality, right?
• 1:41:16
  SPEAKER_02: So there are things that I've had to unlearn uh about the way that I think about women.
• 1:41:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh and you know, it it's definitely it's definitely been a uh uh interesting but uh a great journey for sure, uh just learning how just relearning new things and rewiring yourself.
• 1:41:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it probably allows you to develop more of a stronger relationship as well, just because you know, you're not you know, obviously you can't since you're out of state, but if you guys were in the same state and you were actively engaging in intercourse, you would be, you know, maybe there's some manipulation there in some other relationships where I'm gonna do or I'm gonna s you know agree with her just to get in bed.
• 1:42:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it but since that's you know not something that's on the table for you guys right now, it's allowing you to actually get to know each other much more thoroughly, much more honestly.
• 1:42:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's it's very powerful.
• 1:42:19
  SPEAKER_00: And once you do, it's gonna be um Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be I don't I don't wanna I don't wanna paint a picture but bro the picture is painted bro the picture I but I don't I don't need that picture in my mind.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't need that picture in my mind but but no like on a serious note though like I I just I know that another reason why it's been this long for me is because I know what it feels like to do it the wrong way.
• 1:42:55
  SPEAKER_02: My desire is to do it the right way, that's why I'm late.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_02: So knowing what the right way is in Hulk, because essentially I don't I don't want to settle for less when I've I've settled for less for so long, right?
• 1:43:14
  SPEAKER_02: From you know from 15 to 20, I I had settled for less.
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_02: I had settled from for for less than the best.
• 1:43:28
  SPEAKER_02: So now my decision is I'm going I'm I'm waiting for the best that that is to offer.
• 1:43:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I'm willing to wait for that um no matter what the cost is.
• 1:43:41
  SPEAKER_01: And because you're religious, is it are you waiting until marriage or absolutely?
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because I know there's you know mixed reviews or mixed opinions nowadays on marriage just because of the legal part of it, a lot a lot of people don't want the com government to get involved in their their partnership and well if you if you think about it that way, you know, that if you if that's the way you think about it, and that's what it is.
• 1:44:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like you know, perception is reality, right?
• 1:44:13
  SPEAKER_02: So if your perception is, oh, um, marriage is uh govern uh is a is a legal beacoler, whatever whatever you choose to call it, um it's not again, you know, I don't want to get you know super biblical, but you know, marriage is when two people become one, you know, it's it it becomes they become one entity together.
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um now you know the United States has perverted a lot of things, but we won't go into that conversation, but you know, nevertheless, um it it's it to me it's it's just a a very exclusive and beautiful way to to serve and it's a and it's a representation of uh Christ's marriage to his his bride, which is church.
• 1:45:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um and you know, I went I actually introduced my uh my friend Jacob to his wife Janae, and I went to their wedding, and I I wanted to cry, but like I was sitting with the homies, I couldn't cry.
• 1:45:21
  SPEAKER_02: But it was truly beautiful because something that my friend Jacob said was he he literally has to die every day for for her, um die to himself, and that that was just very powerful for me, and it showed me how far away I am because I'm like, bro, like I would, but die, you have to die daily.
• 1:45:48
  SPEAKER_02: You have to that that has to be an everyday thing.
• 1:45:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and not to say that I'm not there yet, but there's just certain things that have to be you know put in place for us to be where we want to be in order to be ready for that phase.
• 1:46:00
  SPEAKER_01: Does society's norms scary at all?
• 1:46:04
  SPEAKER_01: With you know, I think the divorce rate is like over 50% now, or is it you kind of realize that you're you're different and you know, society and you're gonna be able to do that.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm definitely different, bro.
• 1:46:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not I told her, you know, a couple of days ago, I'm not a quitter.
• 1:46:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't give up, you know, anything that that will possibly come up, you know, like me and me and my buddy talked about this last night.
• 1:46:32
  SPEAKER_02: He said, bro, you should get a prenup.
• 1:46:33
  unknown: I said no.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_02: Because the way I see it, that's almost like hedging your bets against something that's supposed to be forever anyway, right?
• 1:46:42
  SPEAKER_02: So why would I hedge my bets on something that I know is gonna and you know, if if I wasn't Christian, then yeah, it's gonna be something that I'm thinking about.
• 1:46:56
  SPEAKER_02: But like, there's nothing about a prenup in the Bible.
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_02: There's nothing about, you know, and even let's just say I build a freaking$2 billion company, right?
• 1:47:07
  SPEAKER_02: Let's just say Boulder Rock Solutions becomes worth$2 billion, we end up splitting the assets on it, and you know, we go our separate ways.
• 1:47:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, let's just say she takes 90% of it.
• 1:47:16
  SPEAKER_02: She takes$900 million, I take$100 million.
• 1:47:20
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think I can't make another$2 billion company?
• 1:47:26
  SPEAKER_01: The skills can never be taken from you from anyone, from your woman or from the government or anyone.
• 1:47:32
  SPEAKER_02: And that, and that, and that's my thing.
• 1:47:34
  SPEAKER_02: So not only do I don't, I I don't believe in quitting, but even in a set, you know, Lord forbid that does happen, you know, I'm not the type to hedge my bets, like, because at the end of the day, it's just money.
• 1:47:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still gonna do the things that I was called to do.
• 1:47:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I can serve with a hundred million or a hundred dollars.
• 1:47:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still gonna have the ability to serve and do what God called me to do.
• 1:48:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, the money amount really doesn't matter.
• 1:48:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'll still be able to sustain myself.
• 1:48:06
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, at the end of the day, like, again, you know, that's my friend before anything.
• 1:48:11
  SPEAKER_02: So like, just on a friendship level, it's like, yo, we're gonna figure this out because like whatever.
• 1:48:19
  SPEAKER_02: And one thing that I will say is that I'm going to therapy, she's going to therapy, and we're we're going to uh premarital counseling as well.
• 1:48:30
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, a lot of the things that happen in divorce have to do with issues that were not solved before marriage.
• 1:48:39
  SPEAKER_02: The divorce rate is a reflection of issues that were brought into the marriage.
• 1:48:44
  SPEAKER_02: So if you were bad with finances before you got married, do you think you're gonna be better with finances when you get married?
• 1:48:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're not.
• 1:48:51
  SPEAKER_02: You're bringing the same problem into your marriage, right?
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_02: So that's just the way I see things.
• 1:48:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like you don't have marriage problems, you have personal problems that you bring into marriage and they become marriage problems.
• 1:49:03
  SPEAKER_02: So we're trying to sort those problems out before um we get to that point.
• 1:49:08
  SPEAKER_02: And that's not to say that we'll never we're never gonna have problems, but the stuff that that would prompt a divorce, whether it be finance, whatever it may be, right?
• 1:49:18
  SPEAKER_02: We're nipping those things in the butt now because you know, my my grandparents, you know, before they passed away, they were married like 50, 60 years.
• 1:49:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's that's the blueprint for me.
• 1:49:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is like this is super long term.
• 1:49:34
  SPEAKER_02: Super long term.
• 1:49:35
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the way I'm looking at it.
• 1:49:37
  SPEAKER_01: And at a very young age as well, because you I don't know how long you've been with her, but I mean, if you met her today, you're 23, you live at least another 60 years.
• 1:49:46
  SPEAKER_01: So you know.
• 1:49:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um but that's another thing is you know, not believing in quitting, that's another thing that's unfortunately is pretty common nowadays is quitting and whether it's on a relationship or it's in business.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_01: Or even in religion.
• 1:50:02
  SPEAKER_01: There's some people who just give up on religion and because things are going their way.
• 1:50:08
  SPEAKER_01: But another thing is, you know, with going to therapy, you know, it's not something that you typically see a lot of men openly talking about just because it's seen as masculine.
• 1:50:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's seen as you know being emotional, and men nowadays aren't supposed to be emotional, even though you know everyone has emotions.
• 1:50:29
  SPEAKER_01: In the past, I've gone to actually inpatient once, and I was in and out of outpatient throughout my childhood.
• 1:50:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I I I would say honestly, for me, the biggest thing that helped me was not even therapy, it was actually just getting in shape.
• 1:50:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, that's my that's my that's my perspective on it.
• 1:50:47
  SPEAKER_01: But but you're also doing both.
• 1:50:48
  SPEAKER_01: So you're not you're in shape, you have a business, and you're doing therapy.
• 1:50:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, if I went to therapy today, I'm sure it probably would still benefit me from but back then it was kind of therapy and talking with no action.
• 1:51:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, I don't subscribe to the the I don't subscribe to like you know you need to hold it in, you a man.
• 1:51:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like, nah, like holding uh your emotions in is weak.
• 1:51:19
  SPEAKER_02: And that is that's yeah, that's that's weakness because you're not strong enough to share how you feel with somebody.
• 1:51:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's weak.
• 1:51:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you know, I I just don't subscribe to that, bro.
• 1:51:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like you know, and I'm not you know just mental health is important, bro.
• 1:51:44
  SPEAKER_02: So, like for instance when you get in shape, are you just gonna stop going to the gym?
• 1:51:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, you have to go to the gym to stay in shape.
• 1:51:54
  SPEAKER_02: So if I want to continue to be mentally healthy, even if I am mentally healthy, right?
• 1:52:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, even if I am, I'm still gonna go to therapy and and and allow uh uh an objective individual that is outside of my life to give me insights because like an objective individual is gonna see different things from the outside looking in rather than the inside looking out.
• 1:52:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's two different perspectives.
• 1:52:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you need that.
• 1:52:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's important from an not not from your mom, not from you know, whoever, an individual who don't know you from a can of paint, like before you even came into that room.
• 1:52:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like my therapist, she she she knows me because I tell her about me, but before she met me, she didn't know who I was.
• 1:52:46
  SPEAKER_02: So she can't make any it's just neutral insight about what I'm telling her because her her job is to let essentially you you're you're dealing with a professional listener.
• 1:53:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's that's just stuff, and they're giving you insights on what on what you see and what you feel and so on and so forth.
• 1:53:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's been it's been so it's been so beneficial.
• 1:53:14
  SPEAKER_01: I can't if you think about it.
• 1:53:17
  SPEAKER_01: If you're going to anyone else but a therapist about your mental health that's in your day-to-day life, it's gonna be someone that does know you, that does have a subjective opinion.
• 1:53:28
  SPEAKER_01: And uh you you know, obviously your mom, your dad, your parents, your loved ones want to see the best for you, but they might they're still gonna have a subjective opinion because they're a part of your life.
• 1:53:38
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, as of that, one, they might not give you the best advice, and two, you know, some of that mice might actually be more beneficial to them than it is to you.
• 1:53:48
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, I know for me, like my parents do kind of have limiting beliefs, and you know, I'm uh I'm an entrepreneur and they have some limiting beliefs regarding entrepreneurship.
• 1:54:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um like you know, when I talk about the podcast being big in the in the future, they're like, Do you really think that's all gonna happen?
• 1:54:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, I'd have no doubt, you know.
• 1:54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um but also, you know, with with therapy, I think a lot of people consider it look at it as and I think these are a lot of people who've never been to therapy, but they look at it as like a scam where you know it why is therapy a thing if if therapists want to be in business, if um they did their job because then you would leave.
• 1:54:36
  SPEAKER_01: Mentally help you would leave.
• 1:54:38
  SPEAKER_01: We're saying um you go you are mentally healthy and you still go to and you continue to develop that and and maintain your mental health.
• 1:54:49
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:54:49
  SPEAKER_01: And even if you are mentally healthy, you're gonna have things in your day-to-day life that still that that do stress you out.
• 1:54:57
  SPEAKER_02: Let me tell you a story.
• 1:54:59
  SPEAKER_02: So, like what got me into therapy was um, and I think I told you this, where I had shortness of breath.
• 1:55:09
  SPEAKER_02: And this was during allergy season.
• 1:55:11
  SPEAKER_02: Allergy season for me is horrible.
• 1:55:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's between like uh like March and May, uh, where all the uh trees and stuff are budding, it's terrible.
• 1:55:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's like probably the worst time here.
• 1:55:22
  SPEAKER_02: But I had shortness of breath as well because a lot was going on in my life, and I went to go get x-rays on my lungs.
• 1:55:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well, before before I even got x-rays, um I was somewhere and I couldn't, I literally couldn't take a deep breath because it was like my lungs were paper bags, and somebody was just like crunching them up like this, and I couldn't breathe.
• 1:55:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I went to go get x-rays, and then, you know, the uh I went to another um center to get my x-rays, and then they were gonna send my results to my doctor, and my doctor he checked my lungs twice as well as my x-rays.
• 1:56:03
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, Yeah, I don't hear any, I don't hear anything in your lung.
• 1:56:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know, your x-rays came back great.
• 1:56:09
  SPEAKER_02: Then he asked me, he said, you know, are you dealing with any stress right now?
• 1:56:14
  SPEAKER_02: And immediately I had like an epiphany almost.
• 1:56:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, you know what?
• 1:56:20
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, I am.
• 1:56:23
  SPEAKER_02: I am a little stressed out.
• 1:56:25
  SPEAKER_02: So so, you know, I ended up um you know, getting into therapy from there.
• 1:56:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I actually ended up being an inhaler as well.
• 1:56:34
  SPEAKER_02: But uh I don't use my inhaler as much anymore um just because I need to deal with that level of stress anymore.
• 1:56:41
  unknown: I understand how to handle it.
• 1:56:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:56:43
  unknown: So uh so yeah.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes stress can literally um um physically manifest itself.
• 1:56:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if you continue, and that's why I say not sharing it with somebody is weak, right?
• 1:57:01
  SPEAKER_02: Because you're so weak that you're gonna allow yourself to get sick, get cancer, get uh, you know, all of these different diseases that is that are sometimes truly caused by thought and you're not talking to somebody about it.
• 1:57:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's that's weak.
• 1:57:23
  SPEAKER_02: Be not being healthy, that's weak.
• 1:57:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:57:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it's weak to, you know, not you know, d I think a lot of them let their woman even trample over them and they're not sharing their emotions because they don't know how they feel.
• 1:57:40
  SPEAKER_01: But hey, uh uh