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Troy Vincent on the hip-drop tackle ban, how NIL has changed the current NFL, the league’s worst-case scenarios · NFL Game Previews

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  Speaker 1: Well, come on in to off the edge with Cam Jordan,
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  Speaker 1: I have the privilege to sit with. I'm learning the
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  Speaker 1: hierarchy of things, right. There's always levels to life with
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  Speaker 1: the executive vice president of Football Operations at the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: But I've known him as Troy mister senior, Troy Vincent,
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  Speaker 1: a man who's played in the league for fifteen years.
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  Speaker 1: I know him from the Philadelphia time, been with a
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  Speaker 1: few different teams. A man who's been an All Pro
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  Speaker 1: man who's been a pro bowler, man who has you know,
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  Speaker 1: his accolades speak for himself. And on the opposite side,
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  Speaker 1: which now he's the enemy of where he started because
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  Speaker 1: he started off an NFLPA and then not an enemy.
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  Speaker 2: For me, it was always a partnership. It was always
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  Speaker 2: a partnership and just making sure that we kept the
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  Speaker 2: game on the table. Treat the players right. You can
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  Speaker 2: make money, but you got to do right by the players.
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  Speaker 2: That was always my position as an elected official. You're
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  Speaker 2: familiar with that. So my thirteen of my fifteen years
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  Speaker 2: I served as an elected officer. Yeah, to serve the
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  Speaker 2: player in the locker room, making sure the players understood
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  Speaker 2: his rights, his hours, wages, working conditions, and then you know,
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  Speaker 2: I had the opportunity also to I think I did
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  Speaker 2: four CBA extensions. But anytime, we're going to have some
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  Speaker 2: things that we disagree on. But the one thing we
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  Speaker 2: can't disagree on it's the game and the players. Right,
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  Speaker 2: best coaches in the world, best players in the world.
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  Speaker 2: We can make money, but you got to do right
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  Speaker 2: by the people.
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  Speaker 1: I see you left the refs out, But okay, I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate that. We're not going to talk about it because well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like they affect you know, while you're in it.
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  Speaker 1: They affect the game, and sometimes what you'd say, non
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  Speaker 1: non bias ways seemingly non biased ways.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're intentionally doing that to affect the game.
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  Speaker 2: I think now with technology now, with the expansion of
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  Speaker 2: a few rules, I think some of those things that
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  Speaker 2: worry people, I think we can fix some of those things.
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  Speaker 2: We still want the game to be played on the
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  Speaker 2: field and officiated on the field, and then tweaking a
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  Speaker 2: few things that technology allows us to lean into. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't think any player I know I wouldn't. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want another eye in the sky determining a play
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  Speaker 2: inside of my stadium.
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  Speaker 1: I was like let's eyes, so we can actually play
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  Speaker 1: the correct, correct, right correct, and then you have a
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  Speaker 1: you have a good old zebra striper. Just throw one
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  Speaker 1: of those flags. If we play corner the way you
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  Speaker 1: played back in the day couldn't be played now.
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  Speaker 2: I get asked that question often, Absolutely not as the answer,
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  Speaker 2: I would have had to adjust. And I just think
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  Speaker 2: you all today. I just love watching you all play. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: your phenomenal athletes. The adjustments that we I'm gonna say,
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  Speaker 2: we we ask the players to make and watch them
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  Speaker 2: make it. Is it extraordinary. I do believe there's some
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  Speaker 2: play type that occurred years ago that some of those
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  Speaker 2: players probably couldn't adjust. But the vast majority, the few tweaks,
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  Speaker 2: but they gave me. They always gave me warnings. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: hey twenty you know twenty three, get your hands off, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: ease Up's so you had that progression, but even yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just think about that, just as a dB, you're back pedaling.
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  Speaker 2: You got to come off of a cover two with
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  Speaker 2: the run coming into the outside, and next thing you know,
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  Speaker 2: you got to face the office of lineman. Used to
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  Speaker 2: be able to chop them. That's gone now and now.
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  Speaker 2: So it was interesting. I was in a competition committee meeting.
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  Speaker 2: I have to full transparency here. I've been in one
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  Speaker 2: of those when that discussion came up about removing the
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  Speaker 2: cutting in space and the dB or the offensive lineman
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  Speaker 2: because they would cut two out in space. I just remember, man,
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  Speaker 2: I learned how to really hurt somebody. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was taught how to go getting and make sure
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  Speaker 2: that he didn't get up. But that's what I was taught.
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  Speaker 2: And now and now then I when I see it,
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  Speaker 2: I know better. And I was that was celebrated on
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  Speaker 2: Mondays and Tuesdays. All right, you know he gonna pull
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  Speaker 2: you know he's gonna do this brown baby. Yes, and
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  Speaker 2: you get that. You get you get that inside need
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  Speaker 2: the right way with the inside part of your helmet.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna tear everything up.
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  Speaker 1: YEA. Fear me, that's the part of but that's part
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  Speaker 1: of the defense.
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  Speaker 2: Though I understand imposing your will fear me to intentionally,
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  Speaker 2: but to intentionally harm. He wants the same thing you want.
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  Speaker 2: I want to take home that paragraph five just like
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  Speaker 2: you do. You're gonna have to earn a difference, I know,
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  Speaker 2: but I just think the unnecessary risk that's associated with it.
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  Speaker 2: It was the part.
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  Speaker 1: That that's that's what the game I grew up to love. Though,
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  Speaker 1: when you saw most what when you when you saw
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  Speaker 1: somebody come down like Ray Ray what Ray Lewis bit
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  Speaker 1: when he was first in the lead coming down smacking people.
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  Speaker 1: Dante Hitner. When I first got to lead, I said, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: they're different, Dante Whitner, He's Hittner.
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  Speaker 2: So here we go. So what did you think about
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  Speaker 2: the hip drop?
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought it up because I was gonna
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  Speaker 1: let you live the hip drop if it happens once
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  Speaker 1: a game, right, I'm not understanding the effects of the game.
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  Speaker 1: Now do I get it from from a fans view
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  Speaker 1: of Oh, it's a it's what you said, a malicious
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  Speaker 1: intent tackle, is it? No, it's a smaller person normally
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  Speaker 1: trying to tackle.
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  Speaker 2: A bigger It's not in the research shows that, the
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  Speaker 2: video shows it's not a smaller person on the big
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  Speaker 2: it's actually a bigger person on a smaller person. I'm
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  Speaker 2: happy you referenced those guys, Dante Whitner. Yeah, play with
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  Speaker 2: Dante Navar Boweman. So I'm just gonna start with the
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  Speaker 2: defenders because I had to. I was just sharing this
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  Speaker 2: conversation with Takio Spikes. Yeah, and him and London Fletcher
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  Speaker 2: were two of my teammates, but were just like you, man,
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  Speaker 2: what are you? What are you thinking about? TA like
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  Speaker 2: you done lost your mind? This help us? Then I
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  Speaker 2: started thinking about I said, in Miami played with Brian Cox,
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  Speaker 2: Lewis Oliver, in Philly, Brian Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Bobby Taylor,
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Douglas, some great tacklers. I go to Buffalo to
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  Speaker 2: Keyo Spikes, London Fletcher, Lawyer Molloy, Nate Clemens, I forget
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  Speaker 2: Fletch started over it, go to Washington, Sean Taylor and others.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen any of those great tacklers tackle someone
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  Speaker 2: this way, the unwaiting of their body on the back
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  Speaker 2: of the leg trapping.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I had to put it in context. Tea. I've
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  Speaker 2: seen you made a thousand tackles in the season. I've
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  Speaker 2: never seen you in London ever tackle anybody this way.
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  Speaker 2: And once I said that, you go, you go. DK.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen you tackling. I've seen you do some
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  Speaker 2: crazy things, crazy things, but I've never seen you do that.
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  Speaker 2: But the A twenty to twenty five X injury rate,
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  Speaker 2: I just think as a gatekeeper of the game, I
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  Speaker 2: can't walk out of any room and go, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to do nothing about this is a
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  Speaker 2: twenty to twenty five x injury rate on that tackle. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: come on, coaches. So I don't know if the officials
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  Speaker 2: then tent was not to throw more flags, but today
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have anything to even address it. And we've
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  Speaker 2: been watching it for three years, literally studying it, watching
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  Speaker 2: it showing up at the college level now, the high
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  Speaker 2: school level now, and it's when the player is down,
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  Speaker 2: he down for weeks, if not the entire seaton. So
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  Speaker 2: that was that was the entire season.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, that's that's sort of you know again,
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  Speaker 1: that's just a different era of football. Grow up. You know,
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  Speaker 1: girl watching in the eighties. So you know, Pops played
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  Speaker 1: in the eighties, early nineties. I was born what you
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  Speaker 1: got out of college.
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  Speaker 2: In eighty ninety two.
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  Speaker 1: I was born in eighty nine.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not. I watched Hip Hops, no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't play with him. I watched it. So, I mean, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know what you got into the league ninety right, Pops
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  Speaker 1: are still in there.
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  Speaker 2: There was there was a there was a year or
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  Speaker 2: two in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he got out ninety four. Think about like, I
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  Speaker 1: just think about that different era of football, speaking up
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  Speaker 1: with watching the John Randles, the Chris Domans. Anyways, getting
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  Speaker 1: off getting off something, it's fine, but the progression of
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  Speaker 1: the game, you know where we've gone to. Now we
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  Speaker 1: are the you know, we've always in my mind, we've
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  Speaker 1: always been in the premiere sport, but we're the most
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  Speaker 1: watched sport if you just look at our ratings whatever
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  Speaker 1: that is.
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  Speaker 2: Heara domestically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we're not going to bring international into it
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  Speaker 1: because then we got work there. We we're breaking in
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  Speaker 1: and later about this. I've got I've got ideas.
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  Speaker 2: See, that's what I need is your ideas.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's just in my mind. There could
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  Speaker 1: be like an American got talent meets NFL clearly for overseas.
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  Speaker 2: I like that. I'm just saying, so, when you're sitting
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  Speaker 2: on something like that, why would you wait? Why wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: you just pop me, pop me a text or an
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  Speaker 2: email to say I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know how to I don't know, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how to email like an adult, and I don't need anybody,
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  Speaker 1: but you can text. Absolutely, absolutely I'm gonna get on
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  Speaker 1: that the fact, because it just sort of popped up
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  Speaker 1: last week. I was like, why don't. I went to
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  Speaker 1: Liberia with the Alva Kamara, a great teammates, and I always
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  Speaker 1: told him if he ever went back to the Motherland,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going too. So I got a double dip. I
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  Speaker 1: had Ghana with the NFL commercial and then I hit
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  Speaker 1: Liberria with with my dog ak And I said, this
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  Speaker 1: is untapped because these mugs look NFL rad is.
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  Speaker 2: Because of that experience and because of the exposure. If
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  Speaker 2: you don't come back and share.
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  Speaker 1: How would you know?
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  Speaker 2: How would I know?
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of exposure, a lot of these kids walking into
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  Speaker 1: the walk to you know, to the Draft hotel, I
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  Speaker 1: saw a couple kids that I've heard about. The kids,
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  Speaker 1: they're they're men, I guess, and especially with the COVID years,
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  Speaker 1: some of these kids is like twenty five men as
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  Speaker 1: A's wild. But you know walked in, you know, saw
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  Speaker 1: you what I think is a potential number one overall
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  Speaker 1: pick saw probably in my mind four or five, you know,
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  Speaker 1: saw a defensive end Latu. I'm never going to say
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  Speaker 1: that last name out of UCLA. And I was just like,
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  Speaker 1: I was just thinking knowing the career that you had
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  Speaker 1: on the field and off the field, what would be
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  Speaker 1: the advice that you would give them after they get drafted.
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  Speaker 2: So I started this conversation with those that will be
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  Speaker 2: virtual that the destination is not being drafted. Absolutely, the
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  Speaker 2: destination is making a roster and sustaining yourself because there's
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  Speaker 2: a there's a mindset today as I arrived, but I
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  Speaker 2: got here, I made it, and there's a loss of
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  Speaker 2: the fight. There's a loss of the hungeredness that that.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like and takes a part of that too,
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  Speaker 1: no question.
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  Speaker 2: But that is that's our new lands that's the new landscape,
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  Speaker 2: and I and I share with them. You will literally
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  Speaker 2: you're starting over, and your ability to retain information, your
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  Speaker 2: your ability to show up every single day, and you
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  Speaker 2: will be measured every single day. And because of the
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  Speaker 2: Rookie Wade scale, we didn't have a Rookie way scale
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  Speaker 2: when we came in. Who didn't you didn't. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a rookie waist, You didn't have a rookie wag.
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  Speaker 1: Was the first year after that was so the first
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  Speaker 1: hated on the I.
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  Speaker 2: Was giving you more. I was giving you a few
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  Speaker 2: more that I don't want it. No, but the rookie
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  Speaker 2: Wade scale. They'll move on you now because you're not
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  Speaker 2: They're not paying you a ton of money, so they'll
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  Speaker 2: move on you don't.
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  Speaker 1: We just saw what happened in Chicago, which was crazy
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  Speaker 1: with the top three overall.
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  Speaker 2: Pick I am.
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  Speaker 1: I do have Conner too, which is even crazy. The
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  Speaker 1: league is not afraid to get what they want.
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  Speaker 2: Know they will move on you quickly. It's a business.
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  Speaker 2: We saw it with San Francisco with the Trey Lance
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  Speaker 2: and if things aren't working out, they'll move on. You
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  Speaker 2: could be the first, second third pick. I do have challenges,
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  Speaker 2: not challenge, but concerns because today's current athlete, everything is
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  Speaker 2: so transactional. It's not a pureness of a relationship. Where
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  Speaker 2: do you find the loyalty exactly?
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  Speaker 1: But that's always been the case from the team side
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: But I do believe in the past Cam, I think
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  Speaker 2: there was a way to evaluate that Cam love the game.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. You know there's a it was it was dry,
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  Speaker 1: it was cut and dry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, does he love the game?
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  Speaker 1: Before social media you can read out does he love
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  Speaker 1: the game or does he love the lifestyle?
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  Speaker 2: Correct?
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  Speaker 1: But now at this point it's so blended. If you're
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  Speaker 1: not a part of the game, how can you be
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  Speaker 1: part of lifestyle? And if you're not a part of
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  Speaker 1: the lifestyle, you can still be a part of the game.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the intersectionality of it all. You can blend
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  Speaker 1: both of those so quick you I'm not sure if
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  Speaker 1: he's working out because he wants to, because he keeps
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  Speaker 1: posting it and I love that he's on the grind,
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  Speaker 1: but also is he just doing it for the likes
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  Speaker 1: or is he doing it for himself? There's twenty times
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  Speaker 1: I was like, bro, I was like, I had to
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  Speaker 1: kill a workout where somebody would have captured this crazy
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  Speaker 1: shit that I just did. Also, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Need the people in my business like that, but I
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  Speaker 2: do have concerns. It is a different era of what
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  Speaker 2: makes him tick. Yeah, and now this is happening when
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  Speaker 2: you're fourteen fifteen and with your parents. No question, sit
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  Speaker 2: down with your parents. If I'm not talking about signing bonus,
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  Speaker 2: they're not having a conversation with me. I'm gonna repeat
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  Speaker 2: that at fourteen and fifteen to walk into our household.
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  Speaker 2: If I don't say, we can frame up to signing
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  Speaker 2: bonus later missus Jordan and mister Jordan. We can talk
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  Speaker 2: about some other things. We will get to the signing bonus,
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  Speaker 2: because if I don't reference that, they're gonna ask already
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  Speaker 2: out to help.
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  Speaker 1: They already turned that off. You're not talking about that money.
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  Speaker 2: So think about the love that you got to have
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  Speaker 2: to compete here, as you well know, week in and
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  Speaker 2: week out a loss, how you're going to show back up,
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  Speaker 2: get yourself together, pick up the pieces, go evaluate the tape,
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  Speaker 2: stay off social media because someone's disliking you or they
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  Speaker 2: got thumbs down. And where does all of this go?
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  Speaker 2: I go to the Pro Bowl. I see the young men,
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  Speaker 2: which I completely appreciate. They're showing up with the trucks
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  Speaker 2: and cars of production crews, like getting out the car.
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  Speaker 2: So those are like the different where before you show
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  Speaker 2: up you put some work in. Now they're not showing
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  Speaker 2: up without their team capturing content. Is this about the
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  Speaker 2: game or is this about you? And where do we all? So?
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it wasn't about the game until the
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  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Pro Bowl is the very much time to
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  Speaker 1: be yourself and be able.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but think about it with your first
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  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I was there first Pro Bowl Hawaii.
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  Speaker 2: But you can't coming with you didn't have no cars.
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  Speaker 2: It was you.
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  Speaker 1: It was a big fan. Everybody invited. First Pro Bow,
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  Speaker 1: everybody come in.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying, but you didn't have a whole production crew
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  Speaker 2: behind you.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't have we didn't have filters like we had
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  Speaker 1: filters now, Like Snapchat was really was really hinge at
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: the time, and you know, like Instagram was the new Facebook, Twitter,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Twitter was something that you got on, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like that. And now before you go you used to
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: go to like Yahoo for your information for your finance,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: or Gmail, you know, Google or whatever it is. Now
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: you're going straight to Twitter. In the morning, you're like,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: all right, what's trending, what's what's what's the what's the
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  Speaker 1: hot icon? Like I'm good morning America. The TV show
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  Speaker 1: used to be like, all right, my mom watches that,
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  Speaker 1: so we're gonna catch some information. You know, Grandpa always
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  Speaker 1: got the news on. Now everything's made ready available.
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  Speaker 2: The resiliency, the grit, I feel like that part right has.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say diminished, just cover differently.
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  Speaker 2: It's cam cover different I came in the era with
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  Speaker 2: three of days every day in facts today, you can't
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  Speaker 2: have two padded practices in a row.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. For longevity speak purposes, I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, let's just be real, Okay, So is that
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  Speaker 2: the reason why you have poor tackling on game day?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I just feel like in terms
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  Speaker 1: of in terms of in terms of star players, they
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  Speaker 1: were never seeing three days anyways. And you could say
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  Speaker 1: they did.
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  Speaker 2: That's not Cam. I'm not sure that I know for
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  Speaker 2: sure Caam and Philly Washington. I would just say we
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  Speaker 2: did not win the big one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if Chris Carter ever saw three
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  Speaker 1: day and I didn't play with Chris.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm saying when I was going, okay, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: but there was some two A days there, right, definitely
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: two A days on a very light prep. Eleven padded
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: practices in a single season.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that this last, like this last like with
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: seven or eight years, that that was part of that.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I said, look at this, it's like look at us.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I appreciate them absolute, but there's some unintended consequences that
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: come with it, for sure. So people say, hey, some sloppiness. Yeah,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: it takes a little bit of time week four, week
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: five for people to hit their rhythm. People are good
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: tacklers because they tackle all the time. So people are
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: good catchers because, as you know, because they catch all
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: the time. Now it's just I thought it was.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Good catchers because they're protected over the middle at every chance.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Now they're seen as defensives receivers at every time they
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: touch the ball. But that's my gripes.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't wait to come work work with me.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I just became an NFL p rep, you know.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: So it's awesome this last year or so.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: And uh, it's very interesting, interesting in general just to
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: see hierarchies and or positionings of what I see now,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Like you know, without rendering anybody ineffective, I see both
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: sides like things clear, clear up.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's about the game.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: That's all I wanted to be.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: So you don't like the body weight the body weight.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Foul, Come on, I don't like half the fouls out
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: on a quarterback. But we've already been moving on. But
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: you know, like there's hey, that that's you know, I
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: get it. Protect your franchise, make it, make make the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: make the picture perfect kid Still be picture perfect just
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: because he took a slow read and let his receiver.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: If you don't have a quarterback, this season is done.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Sir Covid took out two quarterbacks and we had to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: play with with a rookie quarterback against one Miami.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And every player though, week in and week out, if
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: you have a chance to win or not based off
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: of who's under the center, absolutely you.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Can still win. In spite of the Raiders did it
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: this year. Next question, what's the one thing about the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: game that still gives you joy? Beyond you, of course
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: being in this position looking at it. How do the
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: fans enjoy it? What do you still enjoy about the game.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I enjoy watching just a beauty and the athleticism, because
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: sometimes I still have a I have a hard time
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: remembering that I used to do that like fifteen years baby.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: When I watch what you all do, I'm amazed. I'm
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: looking at Coach Fuel who I work with, and Coach Still,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, did you see that catch or did
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: you see that past Russia? Whoa that part? There's an
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: excitement that I see that I just enjoy and I'm
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: constantly reminded of just how special you guys are, but
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I can't picture myself unless I see a video or
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: somebody you know, showed me something. I just some of
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: those things. I'm just like, man, I used to do that,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: but I don't remember that part. But when I watch
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: you all, it's just a thing of beauty. That's the
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: part that I enjoy the most, the intensity level, some
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: of the rivalries. But then watching y'all do some special stuff.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I can look at the coach and go, WHOA did
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: you see that run that back? Put that in way
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: to play? You know.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: So on the opposite spectrum, what sort of like wakes
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: you up in the middle of the night, Like, you know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't see my pops who've only played thirteen years
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: compared to your fifteen or my hopefully head end of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the year fourteen knock on withoo there, you know, wake
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: up and it looks like he's catching a ball in
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: the middle of the night, you know, like he'll be
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: sleep and hands come out. I'm like, bro, it's not
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: your heyday anymore. Befe, Like what keeps you over the night?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: It could be good or bad. It was like, just
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: what is there specific play? Like you know, my mine's
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: going to be forever haunted that a referee didn't get
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the right call when when we played the Rams in
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And you know what I think about, Well, there will
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: will a death occur, and how would we actually respond
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: to that as a people?
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: And hopefully that never happens.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: But we're in a we're in a sport that has
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: some of those levels of contact we can use the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: term violence. How would we actually respond if that occurred.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: The closest we had was a Tomorrow hamblin. Yeah, absolutely,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: and you see how we responded, some of us. Some
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: people were paralyzed, some people, So it was that is
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: what that is? What is just like, Lord, what do
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: we do? And are we actually truly prepared to have
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: those discussions? You know, you can put some some things
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: and plans in place, but what if this occurs? And
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: then I also think about not just real time, but
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: you know what if there's a tragedy that happens in
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: a team, right is is wiped out? You know, what
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: are the what are those calls? So those are the
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: kind of things not to be But.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you an adult, I'm like a kid. I've never
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: thought about.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: They can happen. I mean, think about you know, we
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: we're on planes and stuff every day we see stuff happening.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: What if something happens to a club. I know we
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: have some policies and place too, like.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Real life, like you're saying, like a martial situation, no
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: question back in the day, Well.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: How are you going to how are we having that truth?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: The conversation is real with the with the family, So
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: you know, how do we respond to that publicly?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Is there an answer for that? You got that? You
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: got that if you started formulating an answer for that.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I don't have an answer because there's you've got process.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: But but I have to think about it absolutely because
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: there's a human element that we saw that played itself
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: out two years ago.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: It was over, but like we can't play with one
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: of the brotherhood goes down for real, for real, Like again,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: there's injuries that happen, and honestly, defensive side off the side.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: You know, going into a game, you say a quick prayer, Lord,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: protect both sides of the field. Don't let anybody get
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: injured for real real.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: So but those things, when I say, because everything else,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I feel confident. Yeah, good about we got good practices redunding,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: We got good policies, you got best practices across across
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the organization. But then the thing that happened that there's
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: no one's expecting to happen, and now you have to
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: have a real it's a it's a true conversation, right,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: and it's not in the manual. It's not something that
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: you studied. You know, how do we handle how do
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: we handle those things?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, you know, as trong as the NFL is,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's there's a certain sort of guidelines to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: get back because I mean, at one point.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying we don't get back, yeah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: But I mean to be able to overcome. I mean,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: we've we faced COVID where guys were you know, we
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: at one point we flew in two guys the night
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: before the game just to just to catch it. We
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: played Denver with the with the kid against a kid
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: who's playing quarterback who's bagging groceries two weeks before, you know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like the NFL.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: But machine, no, no, but listen, Cam, Yeah, you're.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Right, we forgo the human element aspect that person is
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: still alive, correct, So you can bring it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about can't come back, can't come back.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: So those are the kind of things I know. People like,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: why why would it be think? Because those are things
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I think about. Right, we're traveling all over the world,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot that can happen. Germany game, Now,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: what what can happen? What what happens if this happens?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: The what ifs?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so what if this New Orleans Saints win the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl? And Super Bowl fifty nine and New Orleans?
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm dreaming about these.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: But it happened. We saw Tampa do it right? Could
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: New Orleans? Could New Orleans make that happen right?
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty nine in New Orleans.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that Super Bowl.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Fifty nine in New Orleans. Are we getting excited about
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: it just yet? Like? When when do you get excited
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: about it? I got excited about it knowing it was
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: coming because it got pushed off for like two years
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: in our way, three years, New Stadius popped up, we
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: kept get we got we got rolled back, and then it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: So I started thinking about it the night that Kansas
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: City closed out fifty eight because immediately go to next cycle,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: next cycle, literally you literally go all right, we're out
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of Vegas. Here's where we are next year, and then
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: you just begin, you know, thinking about what are we
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: going to do differently? I'm thinking operations, officiating, What are
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: we going to do differently from that stadium to now
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: going down to New Orleans?
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Right, well, I'll be there, you know what I'm saying.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I hope so hey, I'm gonna be there. Yeah, I'm
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: always I'm always there every Super Bowl week, you know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and I would love to be on the field and playing.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: That could be well, that'll be three actually home teams
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: in the last five.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Years in the Super Bowl in the Super Bowl?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Could that? Would that be? Right?
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Tampa? I don't know, Lil Wayne's a green Bay charge
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of green Bay fan. But that's fine. We'll get We'll
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: get robbed for nine division our division right now before
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the draft. Absolutely after the draft, most likely.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Like Tampa owns that division for whatever reason.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: We I mean, we had the same record, and the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: previous years that they won, they won by you know,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: they had a one game split on us own that
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: division or like barely coming out of there. You're right,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: but you can't until you knock the fact off.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: They either want it or you don't know facts.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: You only good is you only good is the last game.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't think that was coming.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: From your last conference winch.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're right, Tom bowls doing something down there,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: but go ahead.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: They made it work with Baker Mayfield and then extended them,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: so you know they got something going on that I
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: thought they might do something with Devin White. Devin White
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: comes back, I said, okay, it's not that, not that
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: they were going to go in the billion owed.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Fan of Cam I am a fan of and I
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: am a fan of coach Allen.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I love my guy DAA good people, great people. Good
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I've got nothing but the highest respect for
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: especially dealing with we had to deal with as first.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Head coach to coming up. Yeah, good people that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: If that don't show your hard, I don't know what
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: does people. So just you know, I know we've talked
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: different Pro Bowls and over the years, like I've got
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: four kids, You've got you beat me out. You got five?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Right? I have five children and nine grands I just
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: had my ninth grand grandson, my ninth grandchild, my fourth
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: grand boy.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: See, I got young kids. What does it feel like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: watching your kids play like? You know, because I'm watching
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: my man's play t ball like please don't love it.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: He's like.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I watched with a different eye because my wife's sitting
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: next to me and she's really all into it. I'm
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: looking at did he take care of the responsibility. I'm
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: just looking at it from a different game. But then
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I have to be careful about what I say to
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: him afterwards because my wife is listening. But it's fun.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: At the same time, I think about what I would
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: have done differently or differently, like done differently, and I'm
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: not trying to be him, but I had because I
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: had the opportunity to watch our oldest boy, true Troy
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Junior play at n C State and then tront at
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Ohio State, and then but watching the game, like I'm
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: watching warm up, I'm like, he don't he got he
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: don't have to write intensity level to day, you know,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: like you can't just turn it on, you know, Like
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at he's slipping, like he got to put
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: his foot in the ground, put his show over his toe,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Like do you.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Ever want to come off the stage, off the stands
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and like go really talk.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I want to go really talk to him. And then
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: you know, my wife is looking at me like, no,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: we be a parent today. Let him be, Let let
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: him be. So that part has been fun. And now
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: he's with the UFL team with Wade Phillips down with
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the United Stamps, no brompt the Bromos, Bramos down to
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: San Antonio and.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Once they merged. Now now I've got to re learn
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the team names I had him down.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: So that part has been fun and I'm really looking
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: forward to I'm hoping. I'm pushing my daughter to get
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: her girls playing. Now that flag done, jumped off.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Flag, that's what the NFL is turned into.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: But no, can you brought it up.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I had my daughter played flag and she was like,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: she went back to soccer, and I understood it. My
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: oldest son plays play flag. That man asked me.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: If I'm not a navocate for the game of football,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I love it, So why would you allow your daughter
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: to go play another to go play soccer? Because I
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: believe it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I believe it freedom of choice, you know, like, at
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: this point, tell me what you love, but you have
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to try something now.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: So you're one of those men that don't want women
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: to have good opportunities to play the sport, the great
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: sport of football.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Are you trying?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Are you on record? Saying that you're I'm here.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I'm here to support and whatever that they want to do.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And my baby girl played played a full season and
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't see the passion that I wanted to see.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And I said, hey, do you want to play another
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: She said, no, Dad, I want to play soccer. And
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: we took out to soccer. She scored three goals. She said,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: this is what I meant to do and I said, yes, ma'am, I'm.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. I'm just it's something that during
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the pandemic, she missed one. See, that's why she needs
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: to just play. How does she miss the goal?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: The big old goal at five five years old was
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: really muddlehudleball.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Like she's going to return back to football. She's only five, man,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I tried, you're excited about I'm excited about that opportunity
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: to watch potentially my kids or my brand kids hit
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the Olympics. I'm really really excited about that.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Last question I have for you now that we've talked
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: about flag is how how is it knowing that you
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: can catch scholarships from flag football from But that's the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: seven on seven like direct relation. Never put pads onto But.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: That's the beauty. That's the beauty of the sport.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: So so when you think about football, the sport of football,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: and this is when you put it in context, we
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: were probably one of the only sports that didn't have
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: other other ways of with basketball, you got five on five,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: you got three on three. You know, you can go
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: on your driveway. When the pandemic hit, we were forced
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: to study who's playing and why they're playing, and there
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: was sports that grew inside the pandemic that time period
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: when the world was on lockdown, and it was like,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: we need to expand what we do, we need to
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: welcome other forms of the game of football. Flag was
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: one why not why not young eighties? Why should we
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: not support young ladies like us playing seven on seven,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: playing varsity football at the varsity level, earning a scholarship,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: somebody paying for their education and they get a chance
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to play ball and just watching it explode, cam Man,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: it's competitive, absolutely, watching these young ladies get out. I
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: saw we was at the annual meeting and Steve Young
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: came back and talked about him coaching his daughters, d
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Hot talking about seeing how his Flag leads have exploded
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: and brought the community together. Hey, LA twenty eight flag
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: football in the Olympics, laxt year in Paris, the World
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Games like this we're going on here. In a few weeks,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: we'll have our twelfth state sanctioned girl's varsity flag really
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: with Washington. I mean that's a that's awesome.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Love that for my kids. I've got three girls.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, think about it. That's awesome. Colorado went this week,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Washington in the coming weeks give us twelve states and
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: it just keeps rolling. This August, n C two A
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: will be applying for flag football being an emerging sport
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: at the n C two.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: A level, I mean, why not? Why not in college?
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: You know, Cal has a great field hockey program, But
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I'd rather watch flag football. I'd rather watch rugby. But
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I'm also.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: What do sound like Hardy Nickerson my mentor.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Cobts Hardy Nixon Junr. Was in the lead for a
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: little wile.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: You know, I learned the Rogues. Yeah, as a PA
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: rep and as a player, Hardy Nickerson and Reggie White.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, great, okay, greatness personified. I appreciate you tapping in anyways,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Big Doug. If anything, just major blessings for everything that
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you've been over the years to the game, and you've
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: always been open with me. So I've got nothing but
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: appreciation for you, Cam.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you for what you do. You're an inspiration to
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: many of the young men, and as a veteran of legend,
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  Speaker 2: I love to see young men take advantage of the
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  Speaker 2: resources You've been intentional about life after the game, of
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  Speaker 2: developing those skills, the right relationships. I just think you're
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  Speaker 2: a real model that guys in any locker room could see.
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  Speaker 2: Because it will end, and it's typically going to end
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  Speaker 2: on somebody else's terms, but your intentionality.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: It all, it all has to come to an end.
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  Speaker 2: But you've been you've been a just a star man,
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  Speaker 2: a rock star of both high performance and then the
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  Speaker 2: things that you're doing off the field with you and
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  Speaker 2: the wife and the kids.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate it, true inspiration.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. You don't want to have been married for
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: thirty thirty years. I saw the wedding anniversary said thirty.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to ask for seekers off the field,
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  Speaker 1: but til then, I appreciate you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.