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Why it's time for McLaren to implement team orders: Italian GP Review · Pit Talk

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and
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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, char Leclair
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Speaker 1: wins Ferrari's home race at the Italian Grand Prix with
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Speaker 1: a bold one stop strategy to defeat Oscar Piastre, and
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Speaker 1: while McLaren makes big gains on Red Bull Racing in
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Speaker 1: the constructors Championship, has it waited too long to shoot
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Speaker 1: for the driver's title? My name is Michael Lomonato, motorsport
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Speaker 1: writer for Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have your
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Speaker 1: company and the company of my co host from Speed Cafe.
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Speaker 1: I don't care if James Fowls thinks he's only good
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Speaker 1: and not special. It's Matt Kosh.
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Speaker 2: I wonder where you're going with that for a second. Mare.
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Speaker 3: Look, ultimately, if you can be good and not special
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Speaker 3: in land of driving Formula one, then I'll take that.
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Speaker 2: So that's pretty good.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just as long as as long as there's some
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Speaker 3: sort of lavender law or purple plan or something like
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Speaker 3: that that's involved law, let's just move seamlessly on because
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Speaker 3: I'm going to have a lot of fun with Papyo
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Speaker 3: rules in this episode Just Dreadful.
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Speaker 1: We will get to the Papy rules a little bit
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Speaker 1: later on, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, lovely, just dreadful but bore.
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Speaker 1: Look before we get into what was another really interesting
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Speaker 1: Grand Prix in this unfolding season and what it means
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Speaker 1: for the championship and McLaren's driver lineup going forward to
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Speaker 1: the rest of the season, let's get to the five
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Speaker 1: top news stories of the last week and Matt unsurprisingly
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Speaker 1: number one is the latest piece of the driver market
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Speaker 1: puzzle that we all saw it coming. Less than twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours after crashing his car in FB one, Mecedes
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Speaker 1: confirmed that Andrea Kimmi Antonelli will replace Lewis Hamilton from
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Speaker 1: next season alongside George Russell.
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Speaker 3: The worst kept secret in Formula one because I think
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Speaker 3: everyone's known this since about five minutes after Lewis announced
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Speaker 3: his departure from Mercedes, so we've had to wait for it.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: Obviously Mercedes didn't make his snap decision, even though it
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Speaker 3: effectively did. It needed to go through a process and
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Speaker 3: evaluate other options. It would be remiss not to, but yeah,
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Speaker 3: it makes sense to invest in the future. Get Kimmi
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Speaker 3: Antonelli ready and up to speed for twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 3: You never know the way Mercedes is going they may
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Speaker 3: even have a run next year, but he's you know,
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Speaker 3: he showed in free practice one that he still needs
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Speaker 3: more time. I'm just worried that they're rushing what is
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Speaker 3: a supreme talent.
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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see how that unfold and out
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Speaker 1: follows hot off the heels of Jack doing being announced
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Speaker 1: the week before. But poor old Jack's been handed already
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Speaker 1: his first defeat, this being in the battle but his
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Speaker 1: preferred number to Antonelli do and said he wanted to
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Speaker 1: race with the number twelve. That, according to Autosport, Mercedes
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Speaker 1: has beaten Alpine to the race to complete the paperwork
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Speaker 1: to claim it.
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Speaker 3: It's not like Alpine to be a bit slow fin paperwork,
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Speaker 3: is it. I mean, I can't think of another instance
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Speaker 3: where that's ever happened before. For yeah, I wonder what
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Speaker 3: number will end up having to get, Probably whatever's left
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Speaker 3: once already submit their paperwork already haven't yet got a
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Speaker 3: driver confirmed for those that are still trying to keep
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Speaker 3: up with us, Yeah, look, it'll pick something. What was
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Speaker 3: what was Mick doing the number when it wasn't number
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Speaker 3: one because he had number one for a long time.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if he'll he'll do a little bit of
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Speaker 3: a throwback to Dad.
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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to say. I always do like well,
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Speaker 1: I like mo. I sometimes like the stories for driver numbers.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes they're boring, but hopefully comes up with a nice
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Speaker 1: number connection.
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Speaker 2: Kimmy Rychens is pretty good.
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Speaker 1: What was kimy Ruyckens? I don't even remember it well.
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Speaker 3: His story was I had to choose a number, So
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Speaker 3: he's number seven, wasn't he?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: I think that. There you go. Well, that's definitely a
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Speaker 1: number you got him. In the build up to the
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Speaker 1: Weekends race in Italy, we had another driver announcement. I'll
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Speaker 1: be a temporary one, with William sacking second year American
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Speaker 1: driver Logan Sargent and replacing him with academy driver Franco
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Speaker 1: colopiinto the Argentine rising up from F two for an
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Speaker 1: unusual nine race chance to the end of the year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, bit of a late debut from what I've heard,
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Speaker 3: is paying about half a million dollars a year for yeah,
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Speaker 3: half a million dollars a race for that drive for
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Speaker 3: and a half mill or thereabouts to the end of
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Speaker 3: the year. Didn't actually do too badly. In Venice was
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Speaker 3: surprisingly close to Alex album. But you know, let's put
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Speaker 3: an asterix next to that, because Nick Deriese did pretty
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Speaker 3: well for Williams at Monza and he had a very
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Speaker 3: short lived career. We know Williams just tends to go
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Speaker 3: well there, so let's see how he goes in the
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Speaker 3: next few races. But yeah, good start for him, just
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Speaker 3: outside the points and more or less on pire with
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Speaker 3: Alex album.
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Speaker 1: Wasn't the only somewhat controversial moment of the build up
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Speaker 1: at Williams though, because James val does he's inclined to do,
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Speaker 1: gave quite a long and full, someome explanation of why
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Speaker 1: he chose Colopinto when other more experienced drivers were available.
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Speaker 1: We know Liam Lawson wasn't going to be available for
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Speaker 1: the full nine races, or potentially not for the full races,
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Speaker 1: ruling him out. There was the explanation denying Mick Schumacher
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Speaker 1: the drive, saying that he would be good but not special.
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Speaker 1: That certainly raised the eye of Toto Wolf, the team
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Speaker 1: loss of Mercedes, who hires Mick Schumacher as a reserve driver,
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Speaker 1: so much so that Valves was forced to walk back
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Speaker 1: those comments before the end of the weekend.
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Speaker 3: He can try and walk them back as much as
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Speaker 3: he liked. But he said them, and he's not an
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Speaker 3: unintelligent man, so it wouldn't have been through callousness or
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Speaker 3: you know, a lack of thought that he said them.
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Speaker 3: But what I what sort of went a little bit
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Speaker 3: unsaid in that was the comments didn't just relate to
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Speaker 3: Mick Schumacher. They also related to Franco Colopinto, because he
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Speaker 3: said both of them could be said a good, not
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Speaker 3: great or not special or whatever the exact words were.
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Speaker 3: So you've dumped the driver. And what I also really
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Speaker 3: despised was the disrespect that this gave Logan Sergeant, because
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Speaker 3: basically you've said that, well, it reached his pinnacle of performance.
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Speaker 3: He wasn't good enough, So we're going to go for
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Speaker 3: someone who's completely unproven instead.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, lots to say about that.
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Speaker 1: Well, maybe we'll get onto that either later today or
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Speaker 1: at least next week when we have a chance to
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Speaker 1: reflect on the last fortnight. And finally, Matt, another somewhat
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Speaker 1: increasingly open secret, and that is that Adrian Neue set
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Speaker 1: to join Aston Martin on a reported twenty million pound
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Speaker 1: thirty eight million dollars a year deal. According to the
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Speaker 1: Daily Mail, could be announced as soon as this Friday.
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Speaker 1: New He stepped back from Red Bull Racing earlier this year,
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Speaker 1: but won't be free to join Aston until the second
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Speaker 1: quarter of next season, maybe just in time to influence
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Speaker 1: the team's twenty twenty six car.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll absolutely get in time in there in time
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Speaker 3: to influence that car. If that is where he's going.
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Speaker 3: Seems to be a done deal from everything that we
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Speaker 3: keep hearing. And what's interesting as well is that as
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Speaker 3: he sort of stepped away from Red Bull, red Bull
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Speaker 3: was stepped away from the front of the championship. So
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Speaker 3: it'd be interesting to see if that's coincidental, if there's
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Speaker 3: anything more to it, what Adrian can do. As to Martin,
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Speaker 3: he has had success follow him through his career, so yeah,
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Speaker 3: we could be seeing a little bit of a changing
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Speaker 3: of the guards. So it's an exciting little period both
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Speaker 3: on track off track politically. For whatever James Vale is
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Speaker 3: going to say next, there's just so much happening at
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Speaker 3: the moment. I just hope we get some sort of
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Speaker 3: silver system to manage it all.
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Speaker 1: It is Adrian Nuey. Success does follow Adrian Newey, but
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Speaker 1: defeat does follow in his wake. That's the other essential
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Speaker 1: element of his legacy. He doesn't just take championship wherever
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Speaker 1: he goes inevitably the teams he leaves Maybe collapse is
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Speaker 1: too strong a word, but no longer succeed. So is
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Speaker 1: it a coincidence or is it just a continuation of
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Speaker 1: that trend something that we'll explore, I guess in future
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Speaker 1: months as the Red Bull racing situation becomes clearer. But
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Speaker 1: let's look now Matt to the Italian Grand Prix. We'll
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Speaker 1: have a look at the broader picture of the race
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Speaker 1: a little bit later in this episode, obviously talking about
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Speaker 1: Ferrari winning its home Grand Prix, always a big result
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Speaker 1: on the Formula One calendar, but let's start with McLaren
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Speaker 1: because McLaren is very much now at the center of
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Speaker 1: the Formula One narrative, not just because of this race
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Speaker 1: but leading up to it, because of it's pursuit of
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Speaker 1: the Constructor's championship that now fields as inevitable as ever,
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Speaker 1: but also this illuming prospect of contending for the driver's title,
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Speaker 1: which only a month or two ago you wouldn't have
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Speaker 1: even thought about. Considering the gap to Max for Stappen,
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Speaker 1: but considering Red Bulls decline. In particular, McLaren's rise, especially
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Speaker 1: since it's upgrade to the Dutch Grand Prix, seemed to
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Speaker 1: take it another step ahead, has brought that interview as
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Speaker 1: something that could be possible to achieve. But of course
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Speaker 1: that's raised the prospect of team orders, considering Oscar Piastre
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Speaker 1: is a little bit further back in the championship, not
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Speaker 1: a lot, but enough that it's Orlando Norris who has
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Speaker 1: the best shot and still has his championship destiny entirely
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Speaker 1: within his own hands. No team orders this weekend, Matt,
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Speaker 1: And it's hard to say or hard to argue against
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Speaker 1: the drivers racing each other on the first lap, dealing
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Speaker 1: McLaren quite a big blow and pursued a victory this weekend,
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Speaker 1: which did ultimately cost it points to both Red Bull
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Speaker 1: and Maxistaffen in both championships. I'd like your take, first
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Speaker 1: of all, on the way McLaren approached this weekend on
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Speaker 1: its decision to implement these Papyo rules as it's decided
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Speaker 1: to call them, and how costly do you think this
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Speaker 1: race might be reflected upon, because, as I think Lando
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Speaker 1: Norra suggested afterwards, there's still time to win the title,
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Speaker 1: but it is slipping away race by raids.
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Speaker 3: My biggest criticism for Pire Rules is actually the title
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Speaker 3: for Pyre Rules, when they could have had the you know,
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Speaker 3: they could have had Orange order.
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Speaker 2: For example.
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Speaker 3: We ultimately Formula one is a team sport, but there
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Speaker 3: are individuals within that. And you know, we say that
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Speaker 3: the Constructors Championship is one the teams because that's where
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Speaker 3: the prize money is, but all the glory goes to
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Speaker 3: the drivers. You will get very few opportunities throughout a career,
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Speaker 3: throughout a team's history, even to pursue a driver's championship.
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Speaker 3: Look at the nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties. McLaren
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Speaker 3: has hung itself on the success that it had with
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Speaker 3: all Armed Prosteny and Center, not for the constructors Championships,
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Speaker 3: but for the driver Championship.
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Speaker 2: So it's built its reputation on that success.
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Speaker 3: Even Mckahackening, we don't stop and think about the constructors
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Speaker 3: championships in the early two thousands. We talk in late
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Speaker 3: nineties we talk about Mica Hackenen. Same way at Ferrari
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Speaker 3: during Michael Schumacker's dominance, we talk about Michael Schumacher. You
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Speaker 3: don't get these opportunities often, so I think it's remiss
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Speaker 3: not to pursue them with absolutely vigor, and it pains me.
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Speaker 3: I've said this for the last couple of weeks that
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Speaker 3: McLaren should be throwing all the eggs in Orlando Norris
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Speaker 3: basket because by doing that it's not going to hurt
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Speaker 3: its Constructors Championship because Lando and Oscar will arguably still
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Speaker 3: score the same number of points, maybe in a different order,
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Speaker 3: but to effectively rob Lando of the points. And you know,
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Speaker 3: let's extend this back to the Hungarian Grand Prix, and
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Speaker 3: I as an Australian, I sort of hate myself for
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Speaker 3: saying this, but.
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Speaker 2: Lando probably should have been given that win. He didn't
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Speaker 2: deserve it.
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Speaker 3: Oscar absolutely did, but it should have been given that
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Speaker 3: win because at that point he could have made some
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Speaker 3: more meaningful inroads into the championship. Wasn't obvious back then,
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Speaker 3: is quite how badly Red Bull was struggling. That's become
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Speaker 3: more obvious since the particularly the you know, the Dutch
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Speaker 3: and Italian's Grand Prix, not the Belgian Grand Prix so much.
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Speaker 3: But there's been opportunities through this year which I think
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Speaker 3: we'll get to the end of the year, and McLaren
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Speaker 3: will rightly sit back and say we didn't capitalize on
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Speaker 3: that because I think it's still a comparatively immature organization.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't understand where it fits in, and it does'
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Speaker 3: understand where it's drivers fit in or its management fits
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Speaker 3: in in terms of instructing those because Andre Stellar is
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Speaker 3: in a position that he's never been in. He's never
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Speaker 3: headed a team pursuing the World Championship. He's been involved
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Speaker 3: in teams, but he's never headed a team, and as
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Speaker 3: a result, he doesn't want to go and upset the
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Speaker 3: drivers because that'll upset the structure and environment within the team,
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Speaker 3: and that's important. But then I wonder also whether there's
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Speaker 3: a little bit of Mark Weber influence here. Now obviously
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Speaker 3: Mark had deep personal experience with team orders, not a
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Speaker 3: particularly positive experience with team orders through his.
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Speaker 2: Time in Formula One.
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Speaker 3: Not saying that Mark is impacting that or projecting or whatever,
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Speaker 3: but that that's got to be weighing on some decisions somewhere,
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Speaker 3: even even influencing Oscar.
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Speaker 2: I don't want team orders because team orders are will
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Speaker 2: be bad for me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they might be this time around, but I mean
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Speaker 3: Oscar has shown that team orders are necessary because Oscar
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Speaker 3: at the moment in Italy was better than Lando. So
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Speaker 3: you're fast forward to next year, Well, team orders wouldn't
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Speaker 3: necessarily be needed for you, Oscar because you're faster than Lando,
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Speaker 3: so come the end of next year, roles are reversed.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's absolutely essential. Now absolutely essential
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Speaker 3: because McLaren will win the Constructors Championship. I mean, Rebel
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Speaker 3: might even finished third the way they're going, but McLaren
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Speaker 3: will win the Constructors Championship. It's nip and tuck on
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Speaker 3: the drivers. So they need to throw everything they can,
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Speaker 3: including papyor rules or in order, the Green Framework, whatever
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Speaker 3: they've got at it to I've got more of these
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Speaker 3: to make sure that that they locked that one away,
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Speaker 3: because I honestly think it will go down to Abu Dhabi.
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Speaker 3: Whatever happens will go down to Abu Dabi, whould be
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Speaker 3: great for us. But I just wonder whether it needs
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Speaker 3: to get that far.
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Speaker 1: Ourn order sounds plausible as well. I don't know why
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Speaker 1: they didn't go with that one. There's a couple of
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Speaker 1: things I want to bring up with what you said there,
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Speaker 1: and for me, the complexion of McLaren's season has changed
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Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, as you mentioned when we
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Speaker 1: talk about racist like the Hungarian Grand Prix, where team
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Speaker 1: orders first really came to the fore. Admittedly it wasn't
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Speaker 1: something planned with, it's just the way the race unfolded
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Speaker 1: that Team Orders came into the equation there. The driver's
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Speaker 1: title just didn't really loom large on the horizon at all.
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Speaker 1: Norris was as pretty much as far back as he
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Speaker 1: is now and Red Bull Racing wasn't showing this state
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Speaker 1: of the client, so it can forgive it there. We've
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Speaker 1: said on this podcast before, Matt that McLaren has missed
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Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities this year, and it has. But
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Speaker 1: despite that, it's going it's almost certainly going to win
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Speaker 1: the Constructors Championship, right, So suddenly, in retrospect you can't
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Speaker 1: be too critical, particularly in the context of this being
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Speaker 1: a relatively young group of people in this team that
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Speaker 1: it's running the operation. Can't be too critical of that
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Speaker 1: because the end result is still going to be that
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Speaker 1: they win the team's championship, even if it's a bit
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Speaker 1: messier than it should have been. Suddenly, now for me,
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Speaker 1: the question becomes what is Lando doing to earn the
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Speaker 1: driver's title, and I agree, and I wrote this even
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Speaker 1: before this weekend's race, that it seems time if with
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Speaker 1: McLaren's going to win the Cans dructor Startle, it may
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Speaker 1: as well go for the driver's title, even if it's
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Speaker 1: a long shot. The only way to do that is
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Speaker 1: to Backgland of Norris fully because he's the closer driver
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Speaker 1: points wise, and the only driver who can do it
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Speaker 1: without needing Max to have DNFs and things like that.
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Speaker 1: But then you look back at Norris's season a couple
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Speaker 1: of races Standard in particular, has he done enough to
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Speaker 1: make himself the incontrovertible, undeniable number one in that team?
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Speaker 1: And I think races like the Italian Grand Prix show
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Speaker 1: that that isn't the case, And you can kind of
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Speaker 1: understand that context why maybe McLaren has struggled a little
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Speaker 1: bit to make that call. I wrote this week that actually,
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Speaker 1: if you divide up well, the points gap between them
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Speaker 1: is forty four points. I think between Norris and Piastre.
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Speaker 1: A lot of those points came, for example, in Miami,
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Speaker 1: where Pstre failed to score despite having been the driver
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Speaker 1: that should have been in most contention to win the
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Speaker 1: race for McLaren. But for the safety car, you know,
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Speaker 1: hypotheticals are difficult because you can always find these points
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Speaker 1: for every driver, but should be much closer in points
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Speaker 1: because actually they roughly on my calculation share this season
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Speaker 1: and race by race in terms of who was the
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Speaker 1: quicker driver, it's roughly fifty to fifty. The form guid's
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Speaker 1: roughly even. And then you look at again. To come
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Speaker 1: back to the Italian Grand Prix, Lando Norras started from
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Speaker 1: pole for the seventh time in a row, failed to
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Speaker 1: lead the end of the first lap. And in this
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Speaker 1: case it wasn't just that, you know, Maxistapa has these
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Speaker 1: great starts, that he left the door wide open to
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Speaker 1: Oscar Piastri to pass him and then was caught off
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Speaker 1: guard and lost another place. In that regard, we think
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Speaker 1: about Hungary did exactly the same thing. The only reason
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Speaker 1: Oscar won there is because he beat him off the
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Speaker 1: line and was quicker through the race subsequently because he
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Speaker 1: had that lead in clear air. How many opportunities has
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Speaker 1: Orlando Norris missed to tell McLaren through his driving the
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Speaker 1: only way you will win every race, because that is
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Speaker 1: still the path to victory is by backing me. Because
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Speaker 1: in this race. McLaren clearly had to these Papaya rules,
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Speaker 1: a soft backing of Norris. Clearly preferred for him to
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Speaker 1: go out and sort of claim the preferential strategy and things,
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Speaker 1: and he didn't take it. So I fire McLaren. While
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Speaker 1: I still think that before Azerbaijan the to make that call,
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Speaker 1: because that's just the focus now, I kind of understand
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Speaker 1: why it's been difficult to make that decision up to
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Speaker 1: now because for me, Norris has had these great highs,
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Speaker 1: Netherlands being one of them, but it's still just too
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Speaker 1: inconsistent for me to be confident that even with team orders,
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Speaker 1: he will win the title.
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Speaker 3: That's a fair point. It is a very fair point
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Speaker 3: because if Lando Norris sneaks the World Championship, you'll look back,
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Speaker 3: and as I said before, McLaren to looked back at
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Speaker 3: the missed opportunities that I had through the year, Lando
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Speaker 3: should look back at the missed opportunities through the year
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Speaker 3: as well, because it's been far from perfect. Then conversely,
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Speaker 3: you look at Maxims Staffa and yes he had a
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Speaker 3: very very strong start to the season, but then since
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Speaker 3: then he's capitalized on whatever's been available, and that's what
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Speaker 3: you have to do as a world champion or a
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Speaker 3: World Championship contender. You think back to the Austrian Grand Prix,
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Speaker 3: Lando parked it. Max went out there and got a
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Speaker 3: couple of points. Ye, how important could those couple of
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Speaker 3: points be by the end of the year. They could
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Speaker 3: determine I mean, obviously the World Championship is over an
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Speaker 3: entire year, but that a couple of points there could
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Speaker 3: prove critical. Come Abu Dhabi and Lando parked it because
18:16
Speaker 3: it's game over, my car is too hard or whatever.
18:18
Speaker 3: Max dragged a wounded car home and that's what you
18:21
Speaker 3: have to do. You do not give up, You never surrender,
18:25
Speaker 3: you leave nothing on the table. And then there's just
18:27
Speaker 3: been too much of that.
18:29
Speaker 2: This year.
18:30
Speaker 3: McLaren is going to win the World Championship, not because
18:32
Speaker 3: they've been perfect or necessarily even better than Red Bull.
18:35
Speaker 3: It's just Red Bull's been fighting with half a team.
18:37
Speaker 3: That's the only real difference there. So you don't have
18:40
Speaker 3: to be twice as good. You can be one of
18:43
Speaker 3: a bit times as good and you're going to beat them.
18:46
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's interesting. It's going to be at the
18:52
Speaker 3: end of the year a case of looking back and going, well,
18:55
Speaker 3: did he or did he not make the most of it.
18:57
Speaker 3: I honestly, I couldn't tell you here right now who's
19:01
Speaker 3: going to win the Drive Show. I can tell you
19:02
Speaker 3: with absolute confidence who I think is going to win
19:04
Speaker 3: the Constructors Championship with the driver's title. Yeah, I'm with you,
19:09
Speaker 3: and I share that point. But perhaps because of that point,
19:13
Speaker 3: my rashnale is that McClaren should have already been backing Lando.
19:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of It's going to be a great
19:18
Speaker 1: season to reflect on with perfect hindsight as to how
19:20
Speaker 1: it should have been judged, I think. But that's the
19:22
Speaker 1: sort of great thing about this campaign is that every
19:24
Speaker 1: race feels meaningful and meaningful based on relatively small decisions,
19:28
Speaker 1: decisions maybe not even taken on the track or even
19:30
Speaker 1: on race day. This is a really quick final point
19:32
Speaker 1: on this, I think, and this is something we'll probably
19:35
Speaker 1: discuss more at the end of the year reflecting on
19:36
Speaker 1: the season in full. But I think what's difficult from
19:39
Speaker 1: the past perspective is that, actually, I think on bounds
19:42
Speaker 1: he's probably been as good as Norris. He's had some
19:44
Speaker 1: races where he's been further off Norris. Then Norris has
19:48
Speaker 1: been off Piastre on Piastre's really good races, and he's
19:51
Speaker 1: had some races where he hasn't been at the absolute
19:53
Speaker 1: highs that Norris has been able to achieve, for example
19:55
Speaker 1: the Dutch Grand Prix. But I think on average he's
19:57
Speaker 1: been at least as good as Norris, like I say,
20:00
Speaker 1: probably fifty percent of the races he's won on that
20:03
Speaker 1: intra team pace front. I thought it was really interesting
20:05
Speaker 1: what Andrea Stella said afterwards as so supposed to sell
20:08
Speaker 1: to Oscar, which is that the future belongs to Oscar,
20:12
Speaker 1: and I think that this is a recognition. He said
20:14
Speaker 1: that the Oscar should be this is an investment in
20:16
Speaker 1: his future. If he backs Norris this year, that will
20:19
Speaker 1: come back to that will pay him back in future yars.
20:21
Speaker 1: And I think that's more than just an argument to
20:24
Speaker 1: play the team game. Because you race for the team,
20:26
Speaker 1: you need to keep the team happy. That's obviously part
20:27
Speaker 1: of it. But I think if there's a recognition, and
20:30
Speaker 1: I can't help but think this must be growing in
20:32
Speaker 1: Lando Norris, even if he wants to deny it to himself,
20:35
Speaker 1: that Oscar has I think shown us enough in the
20:38
Speaker 1: second year that he's on track to become the unquestioned
20:42
Speaker 1: number one at McLaren in terms of pace. I don't
20:44
Speaker 1: think that McLaren's going to write that into a contact
20:46
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I think within a year or
20:48
Speaker 1: two we'll see this not even being a question. I
20:50
Speaker 1: think Oscar's on such a good trajectory that he will
20:52
Speaker 1: simply have Norris covert. And that's what's kind of interesting.
20:56
Speaker 1: Andreas Stale's almost just telling well, just wait this year,
20:59
Speaker 1: like you're not quite there this year. Had the points
21:01
Speaker 1: fall in your way earlier, it might have been the case,
21:03
Speaker 1: but you're not quite there. But from next year onwards,
21:06
Speaker 1: and if McLaren, as we all expect, he's in a
21:07
Speaker 1: title winning frame next year, it's sort of like Oscars
21:10
Speaker 1: to take for himself. And I think that's obviously his
21:13
Speaker 1: Australian's very exciting. I think that just adds this other
21:16
Speaker 1: interesting element to this driver dynamic that, after all the
21:20
Speaker 1: previewing before Piastre joined the team last season, is finally
21:23
Speaker 1: starting to bubble up into something that could become really
21:26
Speaker 1: quite a fascinating rivalry. So I'll wait and see. Obviously
21:29
Speaker 1: that's a question for later down the track this season
21:31
Speaker 1: and next year, but it should be really interesting. Let's
21:33
Speaker 1: look now to the broader picture of the Italian Grand Prix.
21:36
Speaker 1: Of course, Ferrari winning at home is always an exciting result.
21:41
Speaker 1: I think you really have to have a cold heart
21:43
Speaker 1: not to get excited about Ferrari winning in ones. There
21:46
Speaker 1: After all, they do it so infrequently you may as
21:48
Speaker 1: well get excited. It's not as if they're dominating their
21:50
Speaker 1: home race. Usually they're messing it up. But not this year,
21:53
Speaker 1: and not this year despite having a relatively novel strategy,
21:57
Speaker 1: not in terms of the overall field. In fact, almost
21:59
Speaker 1: half the drivers went for a one stop. But certainly
22:01
Speaker 1: McLaren and the other front runners didn't see it coming,
22:04
Speaker 1: and that speaks a couple of different things to me.
22:06
Speaker 1: Matt one is a charlat Clair is in just tremendous form.
22:10
Speaker 1: This is not the first time this year that we've
22:13
Speaker 1: said at the end of a race he's really pulled
22:14
Speaker 1: it out of the bag. In fact, the last three races,
22:17
Speaker 1: getting podiums in Belgium and the Netherlands really required some
22:20
Speaker 1: excellent driving. Second, Ferrari doing really well with its car.
22:25
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly where it is, but it seems
22:26
Speaker 1: to have recovered a little bit of that pace it's
22:28
Speaker 1: been missing the middle of the year, particularly when it
22:29
Speaker 1: comes to tire life and third thirty nine points down
22:34
Speaker 1: on Red Bull Racing in the Constructors Championship with eight
22:36
Speaker 1: races to go.
22:37
Speaker 2: That's interesting, It is interesting.
22:40
Speaker 3: I don't think it's realistic in terms of mounting any
22:43
Speaker 3: sort of serious challenge because I still think Red Bull
22:46
Speaker 3: is better and we've only seen to my mind, I
22:50
Speaker 3: take your point on Belgium and Zamvort, but we've only
22:53
Speaker 3: seen race winning pace.
22:55
Speaker 2: From McLaren from Frey rather in Italy.
22:58
Speaker 3: And that was with the upgrade package that they had there,
23:00
Speaker 3: and yes it was a sizable upgrade package. But the
23:03
Speaker 3: Italian Grand Prix Monzo is such a unique circuit. I
23:06
Speaker 3: mean it was in Tarra Rousso and Alfatari win there.
23:11
Speaker 3: We saw McLaren win there when it was in its doldrums.
23:13
Speaker 3: It's such a unique circuit that you do get unusual
23:16
Speaker 3: results somewhat frequently there. So I'm taking Charles's result with
23:22
Speaker 3: a pincher salt. It's encouraging that he's been consistently competitive.
23:26
Speaker 3: That's great, but I sort of put them on about
23:28
Speaker 3: par with where Mercedes are in that on their day
23:31
Speaker 3: potential race winners. When they're not on their day, you're
23:34
Speaker 3: looking at seventh and eighth of that team. Such as
23:37
Speaker 3: the nature of the top four teams that you know,
23:40
Speaker 3: swinging it up and down from circuit to circuit, more
23:44
Speaker 3: for Ferrari and Mercedes than Red Bull and McLaren. Certainly
23:49
Speaker 3: McLaren's pretty much, you know, first or second best team,
23:54
Speaker 3: Red Bull first to third sort of thing. So yeah,
23:59
Speaker 3: it was not only was Shah there, but Carla Science
24:03
Speaker 3: was not far behind him as well. That was also encouraging.
24:06
Speaker 3: But again just the Monza factor. Okay, it was a
24:10
Speaker 3: race win, but mons are so unusual. They had the upgrades,
24:15
Speaker 3: they always seemed to lift in Italy. I'm not sold
24:19
Speaker 3: that know that thirty nine point margin. I think it's
24:21
Speaker 3: going to grow rather than reduce.
24:23
Speaker 1: I think the drivers probably agree with you. Both Charlo
24:25
Speaker 1: and Carla said, well, look it's good, but let's wait
24:28
Speaker 1: before we make any definitive statements. I think it's not
24:30
Speaker 1: surprising that, you know, Monza, the team did well, and
24:34
Speaker 1: it's expecting to do well the next two races of
24:36
Speaker 1: Azerbaijan in Singapore because coming out of the European season,
24:39
Speaker 1: now we're at an increasing number of unusual tracks and
24:43
Speaker 1: similar to the start of the year. I mean Mercedes
24:45
Speaker 1: Ferrari one at Australia, which is a somewhat unusual track,
24:48
Speaker 1: maybe not as much as an outlier as it used
24:50
Speaker 1: to be on this expanding calendar, but.
24:51
Speaker 2: Still is, but needed failures in Australia to win.
24:55
Speaker 1: It did, but it was competitive in Australia with Red
24:57
Speaker 1: Bull Racing. We don't know if it would have won,
24:59
Speaker 1: but it was probably its most competitive race at the
25:02
Speaker 1: start of the season before Monaco, so I think that
25:04
Speaker 1: still speaks to a certain extent. And then Monica obviously
25:07
Speaker 1: the king of unusual circuits, so I think it's unsurprising
25:11
Speaker 1: that we now see them competitive as we return to
25:13
Speaker 1: some non traditional circuits. But Carlos Science did say if
25:18
Speaker 1: we get to the US, which is a back to
25:20
Speaker 1: the first let's say regular kind of circuit are coming
25:23
Speaker 1: up and the team is still competitive, then it can
25:25
Speaker 1: feel confident, perhaps it's finally turned a corner. But I
25:28
Speaker 1: think for me, what the interesting element of all of
25:30
Speaker 1: that is is that this weekend, at least and with
25:34
Speaker 1: a somewhat growing sense of confidence, Ferrari was ahead of
25:38
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing. Mercedes was ahead of Red Bull Racing.
25:41
Speaker 1: Obviously McLaren was a head of Red Bull Racing. This
25:44
Speaker 1: was okay, it was an outliers circuit. We put that asterisk,
25:46
Speaker 1: the Monza asterisk on the result. But this does feel
25:52
Speaker 1: like the continuation of a long downward trend for Red
25:56
Speaker 1: Bull Racing. Six races in our own now that it
25:58
Speaker 1: hasn't won. Maxist Happened was pretty scathing afterwards, although not
26:02
Speaker 1: as let's say aggressive as he has been reviewing some
26:05
Speaker 1: of his other defeats this year. Hungary springs to mind,
26:08
Speaker 1: is a particularly in temperate response for a race that
26:11
Speaker 1: was mostly I think he's doing. Any case, said at
26:13
Speaker 1: the moment, both championships are not realistic. I've said a lot,
26:17
Speaker 1: and now it's up to the team to come up
26:18
Speaker 1: with a lot of changes with the car, because we
26:20
Speaker 1: basically went from a very dominant car to an undrivable
26:23
Speaker 1: car in the space of six to eight months. It
26:27
Speaker 1: certainly seems like it is the case because the start
26:29
Speaker 1: of the year in such dominant fashion. If you're a
26:32
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing fan or one of maxis happens many
26:34
Speaker 1: orange claud Baya clad fans, one might say the Bay
26:37
Speaker 1: rules cheer squad, the orange order, the orange order. They
26:40
Speaker 1: see that he should find that the orange order. Is
26:43
Speaker 1: there any reason for optimism, because while we've seen things
26:47
Speaker 1: can turn around relatively quickly in Formula one, these days
26:50
Speaker 1: the decline's been going on for quite a while.
26:53
Speaker 2: It has.
26:53
Speaker 3: The Italian Grand Prix was really just another data point
26:56
Speaker 3: in the slide of ball. It's interesting to hear what
27:02
Speaker 3: Christian Horner said post race, which sort of echoed the
27:05
Speaker 3: comments that maxis Stapping himself and made, but perhaps elongated
27:08
Speaker 3: them a little bit. The stap and spoke of a
27:10
Speaker 3: lack of balance in the corfect he called the car
27:12
Speaker 3: and monster. Christian Horner admitted that the car isn't necessarily bad.
27:16
Speaker 3: It's just, you know, it's got the load. It does
27:19
Speaker 3: everything well. It just doesn't insull confidence with the drivers
27:22
Speaker 3: because it's got this balance issue. How you dial that
27:25
Speaker 3: balance issue out is a big question. Mike balances what
27:31
Speaker 3: Mercedes struggled with for two and a bit years. Balance
27:34
Speaker 3: is what Ferrari has been battling with. Balance is what
27:38
Speaker 3: McLaren discovered, and then there's preserved through all of the
27:41
Speaker 3: upgrades over the last eighteen months or so. If you
27:44
Speaker 3: listen to everything that Lando and Oscar say. They say
27:48
Speaker 3: the car balance hasn't he really changed, We've just got
27:51
Speaker 3: more load. As a result, they've got confidence. I've got
27:54
Speaker 3: this predictability. They know with certainty what the car is
27:56
Speaker 3: going to do and how to anticipate and do all
27:59
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. They can get the most out
28:01
Speaker 3: of that car. The Red Bull could be a quicker car,
28:03
Speaker 3: but if the drivers haven't got the confidence to push
28:05
Speaker 3: it to the limit and extract everything out of it.
28:07
Speaker 3: If they're only getting ninety five percent of that car
28:10
Speaker 3: and comparatively McLaren's getting, say ninety six.
28:14
Speaker 2: Percent, then McLaren's going to win.
28:17
Speaker 3: So there's a big engineering challenge that needs to happen
28:20
Speaker 3: at Milton Keynes in pretty quick order.
28:22
Speaker 2: It's got a little bit of time up at sleeve.
28:24
Speaker 3: Obviously not with the Constructors Championship, but we do have
28:28
Speaker 3: now Azerbaijan, where you don't have much in the way
28:31
Speaker 3: of high speed. Corners are all pretty stop starting nine
28:34
Speaker 3: degree things, and then similarly in Singapore. Although it needs
28:38
Speaker 3: to be noted that this year's car is it's an
28:42
Speaker 3: evolution of last year's car, even if there are some
28:43
Speaker 3: different ideas. Singapore last year was disastrous for Rebel, obviously
28:48
Speaker 3: the only race all year that it didn't win, the
28:50
Speaker 3: weakest race of the year for the team. So that
28:55
Speaker 3: two race stretch will be important. But after that there's
28:59
Speaker 3: three weeks in which it can really focus in the
29:02
Speaker 3: fact I'm going to be focusing now, but it can
29:04
Speaker 3: really knuckle down and churn out some parts and test
29:07
Speaker 3: some stuff. What I'm concerned about, and this is something
29:11
Speaker 3: that I've said previously about other teams, is correlation without
29:18
Speaker 3: on track testing. The only way teams going to do
29:20
Speaker 3: one track testing is on a Friday. Basically, they go
29:24
Speaker 3: through digital testing through CFD and those sorts of things,
29:28
Speaker 3: and they go through wind tunnel and validate hopefully those
29:31
Speaker 3: numbers are the same. Then in an ideal world, you
29:33
Speaker 3: plunker on the car and there is a validation of
29:36
Speaker 3: what you saw in the digital world, in the wind
29:38
Speaker 3: tunnel and on the track, and you can therefore you
29:41
Speaker 3: have correlation against all three And maybe that's within a
29:43
Speaker 3: certain tolerance.
29:45
Speaker 2: But you have correlation.
29:46
Speaker 3: Christian Hornet suggested that they don't have that what they're
29:49
Speaker 3: seeing on track is now different to what they're seeing
29:52
Speaker 3: in their other tools and that's a huge problem. And
29:55
Speaker 3: that's not just pointing to this year, because keep in mind,
29:58
Speaker 3: they're developing next year car right now, so the problems
30:01
Speaker 3: they're having now are going they're being baked into next
30:06
Speaker 3: year's car. The wind tunnel that Rebel uses is old.
30:10
Speaker 3: It does have limitations in building a new one, but
30:12
Speaker 3: it's not online yet, won't be for some time. So
30:15
Speaker 3: there are lots of little issues that's starting to creep in,
30:17
Speaker 3: their correlation being probably the number one, because if they
30:22
Speaker 3: can resolve that, everything gets a little bit easier. It
30:25
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily get faster. Is in that process to resolve
30:28
Speaker 3: it faster, but at least they understand how they can
30:31
Speaker 3: solve it, and then the next year they're going again.
30:34
Speaker 2: But they don't want to wait that long. They can't
30:36
Speaker 2: afford to wait that long.
30:37
Speaker 3: There's tens of millions of dollars in the Constructors Championship
30:39
Speaker 3: on the line, and there's a fourth world title for
30:41
Speaker 3: makes of stuff on the line.
30:42
Speaker 2: Here.
30:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was really interesting that Christian for
30:45
Speaker 1: the first time, well first time I can remember him
30:48
Speaker 1: saying it. Really I'm sure he probably did in previous years,
30:50
Speaker 1: but that that correlation seemed to be missing. I can't
30:53
Speaker 1: help but think back to Mercedes sort of saying as
30:57
Speaker 1: it came out of the doldrums of the last few years,
30:59
Speaker 1: that this was a big problem for its car development.
31:02
Speaker 1: And it's not just that you lack the correlation, but
31:04
Speaker 1: then suddenly you lack the confidence in all of your
31:06
Speaker 1: tools trying to figure out which part of the process
31:09
Speaker 1: is going wrong and giving you those bad results. And
31:11
Speaker 1: part of that is that these ground effect cars are
31:14
Speaker 1: harder to simulate, particularly in the wind tunnel, because you
31:17
Speaker 1: don't get the same You don't get really the fidelity
31:21
Speaker 1: of the interaction between the car and the ground that
31:23
Speaker 1: you do in the real world where the road is
31:24
Speaker 1: uneven and bumpy and the tarmac difference is all that
31:27
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, And that makes it more difficult. And
31:29
Speaker 1: I assume that must make it more difficult as we
31:30
Speaker 1: get towards the end of these regulations where eyone's trying
31:33
Speaker 1: to push everything to the nth degree, really trying to
31:35
Speaker 1: push the envelope. But Mercedes took a long time to
31:39
Speaker 1: not just recover from its problems, but to understand how
31:42
Speaker 1: and why to trust its tools again. I think for
31:44
Speaker 1: that that for me is almost the most concerning part
31:47
Speaker 1: of Red Bull racing struggles, because it does suggest there
31:50
Speaker 1: is a long road ahead, and like you sort of said,
31:52
Speaker 1: this is the latest starter point in a trend that
31:55
Speaker 1: is pointing downwards and has been not only just for
31:57
Speaker 1: let's say a couple of months this year, since it's
32:00
Speaker 1: started not winning races regularly. But Christian Hornet suggested and
32:04
Speaker 1: so both of the drivers, to be fair to them,
32:06
Speaker 1: that actually these problems have been evident since the second
32:08
Speaker 1: half of last year, but because of the pace advantage,
32:11
Speaker 1: essentially we're deprioritized and now they're paying for it. So
32:15
Speaker 1: really this is nearly a year of problems that haven't
32:18
Speaker 1: been worked out of the car and as you say,
32:21
Speaker 1: times running out not just on this year but on
32:23
Speaker 1: next year's car. And then if you don't have a
32:26
Speaker 1: trust in the tools you have and your win tunnel
32:28
Speaker 1: on your processes, well, first of January next year is
32:31
Speaker 1: when work on those twenty twenty six cars starts, and
32:33
Speaker 1: that will set the tone for maybe a couple of
32:36
Speaker 1: years under the new regulation. So it is a critical
32:39
Speaker 1: inflection point for Red Bull Racing to overcome these problems.
32:41
Speaker 1: We fascinating see if they can, but it has certainly
32:44
Speaker 1: set us up for a really unexpectedly thrilling end to
32:47
Speaker 1: this year, the year, considering the massive advantage it built
32:50
Speaker 1: in both championships. Had it not been of those first
32:53
Speaker 1: five races, we'd just be telling, oh, man, client's dominating,
32:56
Speaker 1: how boring. But now we've got this really exciting chase
32:59
Speaker 1: to the finish, fascinating seat how it pans out. But Matt,
33:02
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be an episode reviewing a Grand Prix if
33:05
Speaker 1: we did not award the most important points, which, of
33:07
Speaker 1: course for the alternative Championship, this.
33:10
Speaker 3: Is the one that all the teams desperately want to win.
33:14
Speaker 3: They don't even know it exists, but they desperately want
33:16
Speaker 3: to not just team drivers yet, yeah, people that we
33:20
Speaker 3: happen to walk past in the SUPERMANO.
33:22
Speaker 2: Anyone is.
33:25
Speaker 3: Is in contention for this, and you don't even need
33:28
Speaker 3: to be in contentional a year. We could just have
33:30
Speaker 3: it off weekend and award someone ridiculous number of points
33:33
Speaker 3: because we just didn't think about it all that carefully.
33:37
Speaker 3: And that really summarizes this competition. We didn't think about
33:41
Speaker 3: it that care I'll build this up really really high here,
33:49
Speaker 3: So all right, we each give three three lots of
33:53
Speaker 3: points positive usually my negative though. My first batch of
33:58
Speaker 3: points are going to go to Kimi Antonell Nice. I'm
34:01
Speaker 3: going to take ten points away for crashing in free
34:03
Speaker 3: practice one. Yes, I don't think that's too harsh. I
34:07
Speaker 3: think that's fair. The kid has an enormous amount of potential,
34:10
Speaker 3: but it's inexcusable to bin the thing in free practice
34:14
Speaker 3: one within ten minutes of your Formula one debut.
34:17
Speaker 1: He's very fast, though, wasn't it too fast?
34:19
Speaker 2: Actually? Yeah, well that was a problem, wasn't it right?
34:23
Speaker 2: It's exactly the point.
34:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is unfortunate. He just felt like it had
34:28
Speaker 1: to happen knowing that the contract announcement was coming less
34:31
Speaker 1: than twenty four hours later. It was just a perfect setup,
34:33
Speaker 1: wasn't it. But yes, absolutely fair. I think that's fair.
34:36
Speaker 1: I'm going to start on an unusually positive note by
34:40
Speaker 1: giving five points to Sergio Perez. A pretty ordinary race,
34:45
Speaker 1: very rare for him to get points. I'm not even
34:47
Speaker 1: sure if he's on the board at the moment, but
34:48
Speaker 1: I'm giving him five points for capitalizing on red bulls
34:52
Speaker 1: racing struggles to try and save his own skin. Now
34:55
Speaker 1: he finished more than sixteen seconds and two places behind
34:57
Speaker 1: the Stappen, to which he reviewed. I wish the gap
35:01
Speaker 1: had been a lot bigger and that Max was winning,
35:04
Speaker 1: because at the end that will only help the team
35:06
Speaker 1: in the Constructors Championship. I like that he's owning the
35:08
Speaker 1: fact that he's contributing virtually nothing, but telling people that
35:13
Speaker 1: he's no longer the team's biggest problem, emphasizing that he's
35:17
Speaker 1: not the problem anymore. That level of rat cunning deserves
35:20
Speaker 1: some points, and it's five for me.
35:23
Speaker 2: I love how your mind has sected that. That's fantastic.
35:27
Speaker 3: I didn't quite gone there, but yeah, that's that is
35:30
Speaker 3: a special sort of Brethie. Massive, massive fan of that.
35:36
Speaker 3: And since we're since we're being all positive, let's continue
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Speaker 3: to love. Then I'm going to give charloa Clair twenty
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Speaker 3: five points because he drove superbly and who doesn't want
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Speaker 3: to see the.
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Speaker 2: Tafosi going absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Nuts below the podium in Monta. It's one of the
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Speaker 3: greatest sights in not just not just Formula one, not
35:54
Speaker 3: just motorsport, but it all sport. It's up there with
35:57
Speaker 3: whatever they do in badminton, for instance. Hamball probably have
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Speaker 3: something very similar as well, but Monza just pips it
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Speaker 3: for spectacle and to deliver that.
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Speaker 2: I think charleg did brilliantly.
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Speaker 1: Only the third win in the last sixteen years I
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Speaker 1: think for Ferrari at home, two of them for Charles, yes, yes, correct.
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Speaker 1: In fact, before this year they'd won the same amount
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Speaker 1: of races in that time as Alfatawi, so pulling ahead
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Speaker 1: in that critical rab or whatever.
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Speaker 2: So now Charles has got as many wins as.
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Speaker 1: Many wins, yes as the rival Italian team, traditional rival,
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Speaker 1: so very well. Down to Ferrari and to Charlott Clair
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Speaker 1: in particular. I'm going to continue giving some points as well.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give five points to James vals much
36:43
Speaker 1: for the same reason as Sergio Peris for arguing, for
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Speaker 1: arguing with a straight face that it would have been
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Speaker 1: unfair on Logan sergeant not to sack Logan sergeants I quote,
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Speaker 1: it's almost unfair of him on him to continue with him.
36:59
Speaker 1: It feels like sack him is fair to Logan. You
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Speaker 1: do feel like that today. I'm glad he gave himself
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Speaker 1: that little hout, but I hope he reflects on it
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Speaker 1: in the future that it was fair. So I love
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Speaker 1: that he look. I love he tried to dress it
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Speaker 1: up as a positive for Logan.
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Speaker 3: It's it's fascinating that you happen to give James Vows
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Speaker 3: five points, because I was going to take one hundred
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Speaker 3: and sixty eight thousand and one points away from him.
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Speaker 3: Given that you've just given him five points, I'm now
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Speaker 3: taking one hundred and sixty eight thousand and six away
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Speaker 3: from James OUs for exactly the same reason. We've looked
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Speaker 3: at it from different sides of the coin, really and
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Speaker 3: basically the reason I've given him that number of points
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Speaker 3: is so that he falls to.
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Speaker 2: The bottom of the list.
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Speaker 3: He's now below the British Grand Prix organizers who are
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Speaker 3: minus hundred and sixty eight thousand.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I thought James comments, James vowles comments were inexcusable.
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Speaker 2: We're all thought out. How does that still confidence? Morale? Whatever?
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Speaker 3: If you're a prospective employee wanting to work there in
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Speaker 3: you know James bows is potentially going to go out
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Speaker 3: and slaughter you in public.
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Speaker 2: Do you want to work there?
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Speaker 3: And particularly savaging Logan sergeant the way he did When
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, mate, you were you were absolutely holding the
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Speaker 3: knife in terms of ruining his confidence. No, I wasn't
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Speaker 3: buying that at all, So While I appreciate him going
38:29
Speaker 3: out there to try and put lipstick on the pig,
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Speaker 3: it is still a pig. So no, minus one hundred
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Speaker 3: and sixty eight thousand and six points, which takes his
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Speaker 3: total to minus one hundred and sixty eight thousand and
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Speaker 3: one and puts him to the bottom of the standings.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I do think well, I mean you asked you
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Speaker 1: would want to go there. At least you know if
38:48
Speaker 1: you go there, you'll be treated fairly regardless of how
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Speaker 1: you treated.
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Speaker 2: So we either treated either fairly well or just fairly badly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so I like the guy. I think that's fair.
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Speaker 1: I think we've arrived at the right place. Boy is
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Speaker 1: going to need a big last eight races of the
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Speaker 1: season to cover from there. The fight really is on
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Speaker 1: at the back of that.
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Speaker 3: He needs to really maybe they need to get some
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Speaker 3: some indigo intent together. Shouldn't be organizers or maybe an
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Speaker 3: Aqua arrangement or some Marone management or a pink program.
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Speaker 1: Let me bring it home by taking one thousand points
39:20
Speaker 1: off the unnamed McClaren management figure or committee. But thinking
39:25
Speaker 1: Papya rules sounds like a genuine strategy rather than a
39:28
Speaker 1: form of domestic football played exclusively in the Tropics, presumably
39:32
Speaker 1: with papias which have I said this on the podcast
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Speaker 1: Bore and he recently discovered it the same as a
39:37
Speaker 1: pawpor It's the same.
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Speaker 2: Fruit, all right, there you go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, so a thousand points off for them. I'm
39:43
Speaker 1: not sure who that's the problem. I don't know who.
39:45
Speaker 1: I don't know who does it? Maybe just McLaren.
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Speaker 3: McLaren's being absolutely decimated because there's strategistics on minus forty four.
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Speaker 1: Still, yes, well, I'm happy to award it to unnamed
39:54
Speaker 1: management figure of McLaren. I think it was probably Zach Brown,
39:57
Speaker 1: but no one's owning up to him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems a little bit hr doesn't it a.
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Speaker 1: Little bit too much? But I'm glad that we've at
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Speaker 1: least had this phrase injected into the season this year.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be a memorable one after a memorable
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Speaker 1: Italian Grand Prix. They're all our Alternatively, you've done your three,
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Speaker 1: I've done my three, and I wouldn't want to cut
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Speaker 1: us short. That's all the championship points awarded for another week,
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