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The recipe for a haunting: How to make a Residual Energy Sandwich in no time at all (because time isn’t real) · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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So, we're at the point of this podcast where
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we're finally getting residuals. What do you
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mean getting residuals? Like, we're getting paid.
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We got a whole whopping 50 cents off the ads.
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Well, heck yeah, we're rich. Wow, a whole 50
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cents? Damn. I feel so rich. I know. Tonight
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we're going to talk about residual energy. And
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sandwiches. And snowflakes. And sandwiches and
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snowflakes and four -dimensional dimensions and
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all this other stuff. Yeah. So this has nothing
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to do with the 50 cents we made. No. Okay. Just
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residual energy. Yep. This is actually going
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to all relate with residual energies because...
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i went on a tangent last night and did some deep
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dives theories and thinking and almost had like
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a midlife crisis thinking about this stuff last
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night because could residual energies be more
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than just the energies from the past people's
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energy from the past could it be something more
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you know what i mean No. What do you mean you
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don't know what I mean? But I guess I'll find
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out. Welcome to our podcast, where we take deep
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dives looking at various topics through a paranormal
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lens. Okay, now that we're back from the intro,
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please, Angela, can you... I hear you took some
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notes on some of these deep dives on residual
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energies. Well, first, like, what is... residual
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energy exactly good question good question angela
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what what is your definition of residual energy
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well i don't like that i'm being asked this because
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i'm never good with definitions but when people
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think of residual hauntings it's like people's
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energy like people from the past their energy
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with like a kind of like a reoccurring loop almost
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It forms from their energy from the past. Like
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an impression of a moment in time that just continually
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repeats throughout the continued history. That's
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not what I'm trying to say. You know, it's kind
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of like the stone tape theory. Your energy, a
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moment, a traumatic event, a significant event,
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any event. for that matter, can imprint itself
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on a location, on an item, you know, why they
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say some objects can be haunted. These items,
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these locations, these moments imprint themselves
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on these locations, on these items, and it's
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just a continuous loop where when certain variables
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and conditions are right, you can tap into these
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moments. That just repeat themselves. They're
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not intelligent. You can't communicate with the
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energies there. They're just the energies that
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are caught up in this loop that you can tap into.
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And I've gone on record and stated, and I still
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stand by this. I feel like, to me personally,
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most hauntings are residual hauntings. I really
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don't know if I even still believe in intelligent
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hauntings. Really? My personal belief is that
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all hauntings are residual hauntings. I can get
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behind us leaving energy, leaving our imprints
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on locations, on properties, on items, and that
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energy still being able to be picked up. But
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I feel like all intelligent interactions we perceive
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to have are more synchronicities than actual
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intelligence. encounters you know when you when
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you have a spirit box session for example and
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you have a spirit box response that seems to
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correlate with what you're asking about for me
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it makes more sense that that's just a synchronicity
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a you know if you want to say it's a coincidence
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okay say it's a coincidence that a radio station
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coincidentally Had the same response. Or a response
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that's relevant. To the conversation you're attempting
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to have. With a spirit. That is more likely to
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be a synchronicity. Than an actual intelligent.
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Energy communicating with you. I believe in residual
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energies. Think of all those synchronicities.
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That happen at every single time. Can be a synchronicity.
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I think there are. Like. What's the word? Conscious.
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Conscious, intelligent. Intelligent hauntings.
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Yeah, I feel like I disagree. I don't think that
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all... I mean, we have... Yeah. Like, we experience
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so many times there's... We have, like, full
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-on conversations with things. There's no way,
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like, that's all just... Yeah, and I feel like,
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you know, those experiences we have where, like,
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we... Have had like some sort of physical reaction
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or like we felt like we've been touched or scratched
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or something has happened. That's not something
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that would be residual. Yeah. Like that is something
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interacting with you in that moment. How would
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they be interacting with you if it was a residual
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presence? Yeah. Well, that goes beyond like when
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you have a physical reaction to something that's.
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How does your body react to these energies? We
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don't even know what these energies are, residual,
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intelligent, etc. We don't know what these energies
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are, regardless of how conscious they are. True.
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I wouldn't go down that rabbit hole, per se.
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I also don't expect you guys to be on board with
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my opinion. This is just my opinion. Literally
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my opinion. Well, I don't like your opinion,
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Ben. I don't like your opinion either, Ben. Get
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off this podcast with that. We don't want you
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no more with your opinion. Eight years ago, I
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started and I believed... You guys joke that
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I never believed in ghosts until recently, but
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I always believed in energy. You know what I
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mean? And... I've always grappled with like,
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okay, so I believe in energy. I believe you can
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pick up on energy. But when things seem to be
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intelligently responding to you and engaging
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in conversation with you, what is that? Is that
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an intelligent spirit? Is that something with
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consciousness that is aware of you just as much
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as you're aware of it? Or is that just... some
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sort of synchronicity or or something like that
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to that effect and and i seem to be in that synchronicity
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camp these days more than the other yeah that's
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just my opinion but yeah and it with that it's
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like um a lot of people a lot of more religious
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people who are think that most spiritual interactions
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with beings that have some sort of intelligence
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are not human at all and are something more negative
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yeah um and should not be trusted in any way
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shape or form so in that sense are they actual
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hauntings either um but yeah so but anyways that's
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not the point of this podcast is talking about
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the intelligent things we are talking about the
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residual things. Now that we've gotten that little
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tiny tweaky debate out. Tweaky debate. I don't
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know words right now. My cats are distracting
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me. That's me. Whenever Ben comes on a podcast,
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I bring the tweaky debates. Whenever Ben comes
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on the podcast, are you saying this is not always
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Ben that's on the podcast? Are you saying you're
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not always Ben? I'm not always tweaky. I'm not
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always tweaky. I'm not always tweaky. Not always
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tweaky. Not always tweaky. I feel like tweaky
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is not a word anymore. No. Moving on from tweaky.
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Angela, you went down this rabbit hole of residual
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hauntings. What was this rabbit hole you went?
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down okay so i don't know why i started thinking
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about residual any energies i just did and so
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i started looking it up and i came across this
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reddit post of someone saying how like let me
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think if i can remember this good so they so
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they were in a reoccurring dream loop that every
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time they would wake up they go to the door they
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open a door and then they go back to bed and
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it's kind of was just a constant loop you know
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but they were also low -key kind of conscious
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like aware that they were dreaming and it was
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a dream but it just kept happening and they couldn't
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really get out of it good um but then they were
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saying how like could this be what residual energies
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are could this just be like someone in like a
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different realm in a reoccurring loop dream that
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we are able to see and witness when they're in
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that reoccurring loop dream you know what i mean
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is that what the like so so essentially it's
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saying maybe some residual hauntings are more
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of someone in a dreamscape creating a haunting
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is that what you're saying and this goes down
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more into what my rabbit hole because then i
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was looking into let me make sure i got the name
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right the the black universe series um was albert
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einstein and it's pretty much saying how all
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times past present and future are all intertwined
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into one and that it's more of like a four dimension
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like we're in a like a four dimension and no
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realm type of thing so since it's all happening
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at once that maybe someone dreaming from our
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past is actually happening right now so then
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that's why we're able to see it you get what
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i mean Yeah. Kinda. Does this have to do with
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the theory of relativity at all? Theory of relativity.
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Let me suck it up. I put it as an Einstein. We're
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not scientists, ladies and gentlemen. Whenever
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we start talking about Einstein or scientific
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theories, we're not the spokes... people for
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whether or not these theories are legitimate
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or have been proven or debunked since whatever
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quotes we have pulled. My degree was in animal
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science, not physics or math or any of those
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things. I, in fact, almost failed physics. And
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we established on the first episode of this podcast
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that between the three of us, we have over 30
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years of ghost hunting experience. And that math
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is very incorrect. I'm not no expert. I'm not
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no scientist. I've done the bare minimum for
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science I could do for my... when in school and
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stuff like that but i like hearing about these
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things i like hearing the theories you know because
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it makes you think outside of the box and the
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thing was the the thing was a black universe
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theory which i think is kind of cool because
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you hear other people talking about this that
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like time's not real and it's just all you know
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kind of happening at the same time the thing
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about block universe theory gotta kind of think
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of it as like multiple different floors of a
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building and that's how time is if you know what
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i mean and the best way if i could think of it
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which is how i was describing to ben about it
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last night i was instead of thinking of it different
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floors of a building i was thinking of it as
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different layers of a sandwich that's why i was
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bringing up sandwiches earlier and so this is
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what this is what i'm talking about what happens
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if since there's like if time the present future
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and past are all happening at the same time that
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means time the present and like the past present
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and future are the different layers of the sandwiches
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layered on top of each other so they're all there
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together they're just like different realms if
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you know what i'm talking about so if someone
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from the past is dreaming and are having a like
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a reoccurring dream Are they astral projecting
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into a different period of time? That's another
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thing, too, because maybe it's astral projecting
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into like a layer lower than them or above or
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whatever, you know, because people when they
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astral project, people also say like they're
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able to. visit different realms they're able
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to go up to heaven they're able to go all the
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way down to hell like that's another thing i
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was looking at too i was listening to stories
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of people who are able to astral project into
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you know whatever and i'm like okay so if you're
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astral projecting are you in the same realm as
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what ghosts are at these spirits and different
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entities are all in you know what i'm talking
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about and maybe that is why we're able to see
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And experience these rituals. Entities. In our
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realm and dimension. You know what I'm talking
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about? Yeah. So to ground it back to the sandwiches.
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What you're saying is. The ham. Can send messages.
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To the cheese. Cheese. And then the cheese. Can
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dream about the ham. And they can. communicate
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with each other even though this is future cheese
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and the cheese presently on the sandwich yeah
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yeah like the past is on our ham present you
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know like the cheese from the past is on our
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ham present and the cheese from our past Oh,
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my God. But, like, they're overlapping with each
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other, like, at the same time. So, if the person
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from the past is then dreaming at that same time,
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and they're astral projecting, maybe we're able
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to see them in our realm from now. You know what
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I'm talking about? Right. And if that's the case,
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if that's the case, and it's just someone dreaming,
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Could we interrupt their dream state and get
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them out of the loop? Can residual energies be
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stopped then? Well, that's kind of where my mind
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was. So, first off, have we all had recurring
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dreams? Just us as people? I don't think I've
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ever had a reoccurring dream. You've never had
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a recurring dream, Brianna? I think I've had
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one. I've had a reoccurring, like... Well, not
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like reoccurring. i've had like dreams where
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i'm in the same it's like a continuation of a
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dream but it's not really occurring well that's
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another thing too this is another thing i was
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thinking about so you know when people have reoccurring
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dreams you know like every night they have the
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same dream like that would maybe make sense to
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why we're only able to see some residual energies
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and how hauntings happen only at certain times
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of the day Because they're only dreaming at night.
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So that means we're only seeing it. At night.
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At our time. At a certain time too. Whenever
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they're only dreaming. And also my mindset. When
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you're talking about this theory. About. If.
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If residual hauntings. Are just us tapping into.
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People's recurring dreams. Or a dream state.
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That they're less having to do with. Ghosts.
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people that have you know died that are just
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in this continuing loop and it's more so just
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uh a dream state we're tapping into um that that
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does kind of fit into my own personal beliefs
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of most things being residual and everything
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else being synchronicity if the the basis of
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what you're talking about angela if if most hauntings
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are just a dream state that we're tapping into
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would the intelligent hauntings then be lucid
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dreams like another thing too yeah like if if
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everything that's based on this theory right
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based on this rabbit hole if all residual hauntings
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are dream states of recurring dreams that we
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are tapping into what does it mean when we interact
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with it That's a good question. Is that not just
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a lucid dream at that point? Personally, I've
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never had a lucid dream. I had a lucid dream
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before. You have? Yeah, it was a while ago. I've
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only ever done it once. I don't know, maybe I
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was like 12 or 13. But I was aware that I was
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dreaming. And I couldn't just... full -on control
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it i couldn't control if i wanted to go back
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in my dream and kind of start over to change
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the path of my dream but i couldn't just like
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full -on just do whatever if you know what i
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mean which i would count as that it as that being
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a lucid dream because i was aware and i could
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kind of change what was happening yeah that's
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still That's still wild. I feel like I barely
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even remember my dreams. As they are. Brianna,
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have you ever had a lucid dream? I feel like
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any time I start lucid dreaming, I literally
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wake up like five seconds later. That's fair.
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Lucid dreaming is right at that peak of when...
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You're, like, waking up and becoming kind of
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consciously aware that you are, in fact, sleeping.
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Yeah. So it kind of just, for me, it throws me
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into that awake state. It's like, okay, you're
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awake now. This is so weird. You're awake now.
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It's like, no. Shoot. Yeah. Yeah. I think there
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was one time I was like, oh, I'm dreaming. I'm
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just going to fly out of this situation. Fly
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out of this situation. Just flew. And then I
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woke up. I was like, dang it. I was like, dang
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it. Finally, I was lucid dreaming and trying
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something new. No, no, I was awake. I was like,
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damn it. Your father's like, no, thank you. Yeah.
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This is weird. I don't know how I feel about
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this. It's just a theory, you know? Dreaming,
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sandwich, residual energy combination, the cheese
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past. Yeah, that's a very interesting take that
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I've never heard before. And I don't know how
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I feel about it. I mean, I don't know how I feel
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about it either. Could it be a possibility? It
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could be. I don't think that's the only reason
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for residual energies, but I feel like maybe
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it could be a possibility for some residual energies,
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which, you know, too, that's, I was also talking
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to Ben last night about it when I was on my,
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like, on a rant about it, saying how maybe that
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could explain, like, hauntings that are from
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the future, too. You know what I mean? How so?
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What do you mean? How so? How could it explain
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hauntings from the future? Well, because if there's
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different layers of the sandwich, like, some
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of the layers can mix into the bottom layers,
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which is, like, or the top layers, so the top
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layers can infiltrate the present. So the past
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can infiltrate the present. So why couldn't the
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future go back and infiltrate the past or the
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present? I feel like time is very like it's very
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weird. And I think There is always the potential
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that, yes, one can leave an impression on a place
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that can be seen in the future. And I feel like
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that shouldn't be restricted to that occurrence.
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I feel like if there's enough energy in something
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in the future, why wouldn't it be able to be
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seen in the past? I know that's really weird.
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Exactly. If that sandwich theory works, then
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it would make sense. You know what I mean? And
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same like what we talked about last week on the
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spooky season episode. Residual hauntings don't
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have to occur when someone dies. No, no. You
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can make such an impact on a location and then
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a week later tap into that energy, you know?
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You can interact with the living people. Living
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people can... have residual energy that can be
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picked up on at locations yeah and we it's like
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you could have your own ghost at a location right
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now somewhere where whether that's like your
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old house or there was a traumatic experience
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that you had at a certain location or whatever
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you could have your own residual energy in haunting
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wherever the heck that could have been you know
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what i mean yeah and that goes into as well like
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How many events do we do, right? And people always
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tell us, and we do implement this, we have dowsing
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rods for us, dowsing rods for others. We have,
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you know, different equipment for us and different
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equipment other people get a hold. That's because
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we put our energy into, just as an example, the
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dowsing rods that we use, right? So we put our
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energy into these rods and they interact. Better
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with us. The more that we use them. That's our
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energy. Having a direct impact. On the very equipment.
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Right. On the rods. That's the same thing we're
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talking about. With these locations. We do have.
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A direct relationship. With the equipment. With
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the locations. Our energy does seem to have an
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impact. Makes me wonder. Because, like, we feel
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like maybe some of the experiences we've had
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at, like, Madison have been our past or future
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selves. With how many times we've been to Stimson.
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Stimson Hospital? Yeah, Stimson Hospital. I wonder
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if anything there is some sort of residual past
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or present or future us. It could be, maybe.
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I can't think of any scenario where there has
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been, but also at the same time, I don't know.
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That's interesting, because Stimson Hospital
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is undoubtedly the place we've investigated the
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most. We go there literally every year. Every
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March, to be more specific. We were the first
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people to ever... officially investigate there
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back when it was like first purchased by the
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um current owners after sitting abandoned for
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like 10 years so it was still like basically
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abandoned when we first investigated there we
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had no idea what any room was there was no historical
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markers or renovations like there are now um
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that's interesting because because we we have
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been back literally every year And we make it
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a tradition. Like, it's our big, you know, after
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we hibernate for the winter months. Maybe that
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should be an experiment, like, next time we go.
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Like, see if we can communicate with our past
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or future selves. Because, like, that would be...
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That would be interesting to see if we would
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get any results from that. Being that we have
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had such... That, one, we have had an impact
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on Stimson. And two... stimson has impacted us
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so much yeah so because i'm trying to think and
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i don't think we've had any interaction we haven't
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had any like mimicking or like doppelganger type
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of stuff happen at stimson no which is interesting
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yeah when you i mean even so even now that i
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think about it i feel like we're talking a lot
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about madison lately but we were literally just
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there too um like even that last time i was there
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i had that mimic sort of experience when i was
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with the whistle hallway and i heard my exact
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whistle my exact candence because you know i
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have that little uh you know stim where i like
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whistle three times in a row yeah and i heard
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the exact same thing right back at me at the
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opposite end of the building and i'm like what
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yeah and and it's like was that something mimicking
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me or was that could that been an impression
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of me impression of you uh -huh i remember that
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too because uh at that time um i think it was
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when adam kimmel the owner of the building and
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i were just getting b -roll we were filming that
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day and i think you're the only other person
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in the building maybe angela was in there too
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And you were whistling and just walking around.
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And you mentioned to me, like, hey, did you hear
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that other whistle? I'm like, I just heard whistling.
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I didn't know what was you, what was something
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else. And I played it back on the camera, and
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I couldn't tell on the camera. I was like, was
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this you? Or was this the thing mimicking you?
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And you couldn't tell either. well because the
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thing was is like the place was so echoey i could
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hear like i could whistle and i could hear my
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echoes so it was like whistle whistle whistle
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like and then your echoes were immediately after
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well this was like i whistled i heard my echoes
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and then there were three more whistles and i'm
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like ah no no no no that's that's not right But
30:02
this kind of goes back into my question, like,
30:05
can you interrupt the residual hauntings then
30:11
somehow? Because if that is an impression of
30:15
you and it wasn't something imitating or mocking
30:19
you or whatever, if it was you, what's the chances
30:24
of that? residual energy of you happening right
30:30
after you whistled you know what i mean it's
30:36
like that almost seems intentional yeah but if
30:40
it wasn't impacting you did you influence that
30:44
energy to spark yeah i don't know i don't know
30:51
i love i love i love talking about residual energies
30:56
past present future like really because it's
31:00
something i've always thought about since i was
31:02
younger when i first started getting into ghost
31:05
hunting and stuff and i'm like what if like we're
31:09
ghost hunting and like the other things think
31:14
like whatever we're communicating thinks there
31:17
we're ghost hunting Or they're ghosting, hunting,
31:19
and we're the ghosts. Exactly. It's the same
31:22
kind of concept. Sandwich! Sandwich theory. Ever
31:27
since I was little, that's always how I've thought
31:31
about it. And it's so interesting now, thinking
31:34
about it, now that we've done this for so many
31:37
years and have had these experiences, being able
31:41
to kind of dissect them and look at things in
31:46
a different... view with more knowledge but also
31:50
it's because ghost hunting has become so popular
31:54
we have all of these other theories out there
31:58
too that we can divulge in and discuss and pick
32:01
apart and you know it's just fascinating yeah
32:06
so many different ways you can look at things
32:11
one question I wanted to bring up and I don't
32:15
know if we have answers to it, but what do you
32:20
guys make of the fact that two of our upcoming
32:23
projects, and these are two separate projects,
32:27
they have no relation to each other whatsoever,
32:30
two separate projects that all the listeners
32:34
and all the viewers, you'll see these projects
32:38
soon, I promise, but two separate projects, we
32:43
did Estes Method Sessions. And at one of them,
32:50
it said, like, they were talking about, like,
32:54
dinner at 11 o 'clock. And then we pulled out
32:57
our phones. It was 11 o 'clock sharp. And the
32:59
person under the Estes had no idea what time
33:03
it was. And then in a separate project, I asked
33:09
the person under the Estes method what time it
33:13
was. And they said the exact time. yes and i
33:17
remember when this was but i remember the situation
33:19
yeah it was it was it was at uh the um courthouse
33:24
square museum oh yes so what do you guys make
33:28
of the fact that two of our upcoming projects
33:29
had potential spirits telling us the exact time
33:36
like being aware hyper aware of and not just
33:40
like oh it's midnight you know is it like these
33:45
were specific times that they cued us into of
33:49
like and and we had to like double check our
33:52
phones like we're on camera in both these separate
33:55
projects separate instances taking out our phones
33:59
like all right let's just see if that time is
34:03
actually the time and then we're like holy shit
34:05
it is that time it is the time what do you make
34:08
of the fact that like these two instances seem
34:11
to potentially say that spirits are aware of
34:17
what time it is and that time might be like what
34:23
does that say? I think you could also argue the
34:27
fact that if the spirits know what time it is
34:31
like it still could be something that's residual
34:34
because something impactful happened at that
34:37
moment in time in the past or the future so and
34:43
and it's and it's relaying in that exact time
34:48
or yeah i was gonna say it's or like so with
34:53
with your theory in that most most hauntings
34:56
all hauntings are residual you could argue the
35:00
fact that the spirit still is not aware and that
35:03
it is still residual but with angela and is theory
35:07
that it is not always residual You could also
35:11
argue the fact that that is an intelligent response
35:14
because how would it know? Why would it be having
35:17
a conversation with you or responding if it wasn't
35:21
in some form intelligent or having a conversation
35:30
with you? So it could go either way. What you're
35:35
saying is like if let's say the time was like
35:38
8 .30 p .m. If that's the time where a traumatic
35:42
event occurred that caused said residual haunting...
35:46
I wouldn't even say it needs to be a traumatic
35:48
event. Or any event. If that's the inciting incident,
35:53
so to speak, to cause the residual haunting,
35:56
if you happen to be there at 8 .30 and interact
36:01
with it, that's just the variable that's going
36:05
to push it over the edge to be able to communicate
36:08
with said haunting. Yeah, I think so. Because
36:11
maybe we're... Yeah. Yeah. That could make sense.
36:17
I was just thinking because if they're able,
36:20
if the residual energy is able to tell us that,
36:24
maybe we're like touching in with their time
36:32
frame. With their layer of cheese. Their layer
36:34
of cheese, yeah. Their layer of cheese where...
36:40
like they can hear us but this that their stuff
36:45
whatever's happening with them like that's recurring
36:48
that's a residual thing so they're able to tell
36:51
us because that constantly happens for them you
36:53
know what i mean i cannot ever like i can never
36:58
express what i think easily i can never express
37:03
how i think easily like i can feel like and understand
37:09
my ideas and theories for things, but I can never
37:13
think of the words and proper phrases to express
37:18
what I'm truly thinking. Mozzarella. Mozzarella.
37:26
Hey, if you're listening to this in November,
37:30
you're a real Colby Jack. I was just about to
37:36
say Colby Jack. Yeah? Colby Jack. Hey, if you're
37:42
listening to this in December, you're the Parmesan
37:45
to our... Pepper Jack. Pepper Jack. There you
37:51
go. There you go. American cheese. Brie cheese.
37:58
Brie cheese. A little on the nose, you think?
38:04
Nah. I had a co -worker call me soft cheese once.
38:13
And I'm like, please never do that again. What
38:17
does that mean even? Because I go by Brie. And
38:22
Brie is a soft cheese. So instead of calling
38:25
me Brie, they called me soft cheese. And I'm
38:27
like, no. No, please do not. I didn't ever really
38:33
realize that before. So is there like soft and
38:37
hard cheese? What's an example of hard cheese?
38:43
Well, Pepper Jack and Colby Jack are hard cheese.
38:46
They come in a cube that you have to chunk, cut
38:48
up. Brie and like goat cheese are more of a soft,
38:54
creamy cheese. Wait. Ghost Cheese and Monster
38:59
Ella? Goat. Goat. Goat. Bed. Stay with us. Get
39:08
with the program, Ben. We're talking about cheese.
39:15
Sorry. What's my little pony? Anyways. What's
39:23
the topic? Is this a cryptid? What's a Pegasaurus?
39:30
Pegasus? Yes. Okay. Let's not talk about cheese
39:36
anymore. I don't even remember what we were talking
39:39
about. All these jokes are really cheesy. Oh
39:45
my gosh. Okay. Was there a point to this? Yeah,
39:56
no, actually, there wasn't a point because you
39:59
made the connection that mozzarella has to do
40:05
with or represents me not knowing how to express
40:10
what I think sometimes, which went on this whole
40:15
tangent about other cheese. All thanks to you
40:19
is just saying the only response you said to
40:23
me. What I said about not being able to express
40:26
what I think and feel at times properly was fucking
40:31
mozzarella. And not like, oh, that's okay, Angela.
40:39
We understand what you're saying. No, just mozzarella.
40:50
I feel like this is proof that Ben didn't understand
40:54
anything that I was saying during this episode.
40:57
I understand. I like myself a cheese sandwich
41:01
occasionally. You know, layer in cheese. It's
41:05
pretty great. Different realms of cheese. All
41:09
the different cheeses. You got four cheeses.
41:13
What if it's a macaroni? Like a four cheese macaroni?
41:17
and it's like all the times are like mixed together
41:20
and interwoven and that's messy i don't want
41:24
to think about that i mean i feel like yeah i
41:27
don't know i was going to say i feel like maybe
41:29
mac and cheese is a better representation representation
41:32
of four dimensional four dimensions four dimensional
41:37
worlds or whatever instead of oh sandwich because
41:43
because we are the noodles and the dimensions
41:46
are the Four cheeses. I think the point is that
41:56
the four cheeses are all blended together and
41:59
mixed and mashed. The monster mash. The line
42:04
between past, present, and future is kind of
42:07
blurry. Instead of just a hard line, whereas
42:13
the cheese sandwich is... One cheese, two cheese,
42:18
three cheese, four cheese. Yes. There's no ham.
42:22
We've taken the ham out of the situation. I don't
42:25
like green eggs and ham. I don't either. When
42:29
you were talking, Brie, you sounded like a Dr.
42:31
Seuss book. One cheese, two cheese, three cheese.
42:36
Three cheese, four cheese. Five cheese. I don't
42:38
like cheese. Six cheese. Seven cheese more. Oh
42:44
my gosh. Go down the cheeses and meet our friend
42:52
in Singapore. We do have a list in Singapore.
42:58
Where are you, Singapore friend? Who the heck
43:00
are you? Email us. Yeah, please. To the person
43:04
that listens to us in Singapore, please, please.
43:07
Reach out. We'd love to chat with you more. Yeah.
43:11
One cheese, two cheese, three cheese, more. To
43:14
our friend in Singapore, we'd love to chat with
43:18
you more. Yeah. We promise we aren't a bore.
43:26
I mean, if they're still listening to our podcast,
43:28
they probably assume we're not a bore. True.
43:32
And they probably want to hear some lore. I feel
43:39
like we've expressed a lot of our lore already.
43:42
Yeah, we did. Yeah. But we kept it PG. Without
43:48
the gore. Without the gore. Was there ever any
43:53
gore? No more rhyming? No more rhyming. Let's
43:56
get back on track, people. Is there anything
43:59
else you had to say about residual hauntings?
44:02
No. That was just pretty much my rant and I really
44:05
wanted to talk about it. Which I don't know if
44:09
it's really even that much of a rant, but...
44:12
And we talked a lot about cheese. Yeah, well,
44:15
I mean, that's the only way I could describe
44:17
it, is a sandwich, and sandwiches have cheese
44:22
on them. The best ones do. The best ones do.
44:27
What's your favorite kind of sandwich? I don't
44:32
know. Any type of sandwich? I don't like BLTs,
44:35
but anything. I think they're overrated. Yeah.
44:40
I don't really... I'm not a fan of bacon. I'm
44:43
not a fan of tomatoes, so... I don't like tomatoes.
44:47
Oh my gosh! Okay, so this is better. A hot sandwich.
44:51
A hot sandwich will better describe what my theory
44:55
is, because if the cheese is melting, then maybe
44:59
that's the dream realm seeping into the other
45:05
realms. Of the universe. Sure. Sure. You have
45:14
a favorite sandwich, Ben? Not particularly, no.
45:17
Do you? I mean, I like myself a classic meat
45:24
with cheese and lettuce, but if I'm feeling snackish,
45:28
my favorite go -to sandwich is literally cheese
45:31
with mayo. So a classic residual haunting sandwich.
45:36
Yeah. Sometimes I'll throw a pickled egg on there
45:40
as well and it's just great. Or just pickles.
45:44
Just pickles. Pickles with mayo and cheese on
45:48
a sandwich. Oh, hell yeah. And slaps. Alright.
45:55
Sounds disgusting, but you gotta trust me, it's
45:59
good. So, there's been a trend on this podcast
46:02
of like... people listening are afraid to eat
46:06
ramen noodles think they're gonna eat ghosts
46:09
now and now they're gonna listen and think whenever
46:12
they eat sandwiches they're gonna eat residual
46:14
hauntings I really hope people understand what
46:22
I'm I mean, I understood it. I understood it.
46:27
So, what are your takes on residual hauntings,
46:30
you guys? I kind of said at the beginning of
46:33
this that I feel like most hauntings still are
46:36
residual, and I haven't been swayed by that opinion.
46:40
What percentage of hauntings do you guys think
46:43
are residual? I still think it is a good percentage,
46:48
but probably not as high as you think. I would
46:53
say probably between 65 to 75 % of hauntings
47:02
are residual. That's more than I expected you
47:06
to say. Yeah, same. So I can agree with that.
47:14
Okay. I'd say 75. to 95 % of contents are residual,
47:21
and then whatever remains is undefined. What
47:30
about you, Angela? One second. Huh? Okay, that's
47:36
just downstairs neighbors. Okay. What? Well,
47:39
I heard knocking, and I thought it was someone
47:41
knocking on our door, but it's coming from downstairs.
47:45
So never mind. Anyway, what's the question? What
47:49
percentage of hauntings do you think are residual?
47:53
Well, I think there's a lot of different types
47:57
of hauntings that people aren't aware of. So
48:00
I think it's pretty low, honestly. Really? Yeah.
48:07
If you could put a number on it. A number on
48:11
it? Well, that depends on how many different
48:13
types of hauntings are there really. Just put
48:15
a number on it. Just your gut instinct now. 30%.
48:19
30%. Okay. So Ben and I are pretty high. And
48:25
you're pretty low. Because I think there's more.
48:27
I think there's conscious hauntings. Yeah. Well,
48:32
I think there are too. There's residual. I think
48:35
there's also other type of hauntings, whatever
48:38
the fuck they may be. That haven't been defined
48:40
yet. That haven't really been defined. Okay.
48:43
You know, there's a lot more hauntings out there
48:45
that people haven't defined or maybe even thought
48:50
about, you know. That's why I'm putting it so
48:54
low. That's why I'm putting it so low. Because
48:57
I don't think there's just three options out
48:58
there. No. Yeah, that's good. There's nuance
49:03
to everything in the paranormal, and that's what
49:07
a lot of people fail to recognize. There's no
49:10
checklist of it's either residual, intelligent,
49:16
or what was the other one that people always
49:19
say? Inhuman, right? It doesn't fit into three
49:21
neat boxes all the time. It could be a recurring
49:26
dream loop. You never know. It could be a sandwich.
49:31
It could be an Egregore. Oh! Because of course
49:34
we haven't mentioned Egregores this episode,
49:38
and we mention it every single episode. I thought
49:40
we would go a whole episode. I thought this was
49:43
our one episode. I really thought. I had to ruin
49:48
it. I don't want to say you ruined it, Bree.
49:52
But I did just look at the clock and I'm like,
49:55
we're really close to being done with this and
49:57
we didn't mention Egregores. You ruined it. I
50:01
had to do it. No, but I mean, honestly though,
50:05
a haunting could be an Egregore. It could be.
50:09
That's why I had to say it. Exactly. You didn't
50:12
say it to ruin the episode. You said it because
50:14
you had to say it. Yeah, I said it because I
50:17
had to say it. Because who else was going to
50:19
say it? Not Ben. Not me. Not tonight. Yep. Well.
50:34
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