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SVG Dominates The Glen & Critiquing FOX TV Coverage | The Burnout · Kenny Wallace Media

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What's up everyone, welcome to the burnout.
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I'm Ryan Larkin. With me is Matt Weaver.
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We have an early show. Matt did not go to Watkins Glen
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this week, so he's in his home. He got all his writing done and
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now we're, we're getting this thing done pretty early in the
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day. So hopefully some of you guys
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were able to catch us. If not, we totally understand.
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We, we, we move forward the show about 3 hours.
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Watkins Glen kind of a it was a race, it happened there.
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There's a couple things to talk about, but not not a ton of
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exciting moments. Matt, go ahead and and give us
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your thoughts on the race and, you know, make it brief because
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I know you got a Anaheim Ducks game to watch here pretty soon.
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Well, you know, I'm not in a hurry, but certainly I would say
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I I thought the race was compelling, but not like in a
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super newsy way. And like one of the reasons why
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beyond a race that I'm not on the road for this weekend, that
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they were on the air so early is I didn't have a lot to write
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about. Like there were there were there
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were interesting stories, things that were like interesting, but
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not like in a oh man, I need to get this story up right now kind
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of way right. Like the race in a lot of ways
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played out the way that we expected.
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We thought that it would be some version of a Shane van Gisberg
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and ass kicking. There were there was a detour
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along the way. Thanks to, you know, this week's
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version of how does the Penske 22 team implode this week
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variety, which is super unfortunate in and of itself,
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unless you just hate Joey. I know those guys are out there.
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There are. But my main take away from this
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race is that and I'm I'm going to call out fans, which is
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always a good idea for a podcast, in which case we need
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fans. But I think that our fan base,
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more than any other in professional sports, rejects and
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resents excellence. Like the, the, the amount of
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vitriol in in my feed. And I don't know if this is just
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a reflection of my feed or if you see it in yours, but there's
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like Shane van Gisbergen Rd. course fatigue and numerous
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people trying to undermine or underplay or downplay the, the,
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the performance and execution and drive.
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I, I just don't think that people really appreciate his
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version of excellence the way that they should.
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I mean, I, I know this car was made for him and this is playing
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into all of his strengths, but you still have to go out there
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and execute. And I would say that this car
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also plays into the strengths of a of a Michael McDowell in an AJ
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Almanager. And I, I know that colleague
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doesn't currently have, you know, the OEM potential to
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maximize their cars, but you still have to go out there and
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execute. And it's just clear that after
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three years where the entire garage has been able to study
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his SMT, look at the video, look at the footwork, all those
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things they still can't replicate in a next Gen. on a
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road course what he does. And I, I just think all of that
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is so impressive in ways that this fan base doesn't seem to
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want to embrace. Yeah, and, and I think a lot of
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this is car related. You know, this is what he drove
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essentially for two decades, right?
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This is what he he made his money doing.
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And you see that, you know, in the O'Reilly series, he's not,
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you know, unstoppable force, right?
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He is very much an equal to zealot.
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I'd say zealot is even better in that car.
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And so this is very much a situational thing, but we should
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embrace it. These are the tools they're
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given and no one can touch them. And, and you know, in the past,
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we would glorify Dylan Hart or Jeff Gorner, any driver for
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being excellent. But then when we see excellence,
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we're just like, oh, that was a boring race or that didn't have
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enough chaos or whatever. And that's probably NASCAR's
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creation, right? All the stuff they've done the
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last decade, they they make you think you need something you
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don't. And I thought today's race was
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fine. Was it special?
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No, but I was intrigued. I was like, OK, we got different
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strategies. We'll see what happens.
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And he did what he needed to do. You know, at the end of the day,
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he put on a master class and no one else was able to do it.
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McDowell was close. But I mean, no one else was able
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to make the passes as efficiently, you know, take care
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of the tires as well and then do everything they needed to win
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the race. So it was really cool.
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Yes, it's the same guy, but that's the point.
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Someone needs to go up there and and take him off the throne and
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no one's doing it. And I'll, I'll say that even
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though I wasn't at the racetrack, I have consumed a lot
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of the post race chatter and pit Rd. interviews.
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And I thought, I thought Michael McDowell summed it up pretty
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well, that the quote that stands out to me is that he's not
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unbeatable. He's just really hard to beat
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because he executes and, you know, he does all the little
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things very well. Like, for example, Mike said
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that he's very, very good through the bus stop and he was
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actually kind of excited to a certain degree to follow him
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during the race because it's like, OK, well, let me see if I
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can, can, can try to do that too.
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And it's not so much that Shane is that much better than he is
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and maybe he is, but in in Mike's mind, it's not so much
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that Shane is just that much better than him, but he's like
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his car is just very good over the curbs in the bus stop in a
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way that mine is more unsettled. And he's like, but at the same
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time, I felt like our car was better than theirs in certain
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areas of the track. And when you throw all that into
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a blender, he still executes better.
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And all of this to say that to Mike's point, he's not
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unbeatable and there's some very good Rd. racers that if you give
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them the right set up. I mean, we we saw it already
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earlier this year and I know Koda is not his best track.
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We're learning. But certainly Reddick is in that
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category. Mike is in that category.
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AJ, if given, you know, a little bit of OEM support, certainly
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you know, we've proven that he's that guy too.
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And there will be times where it looks like people can beat him.
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Just this car, this driver, this dynamic, it's going to be really
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hard to crack for the next couple of years and embrace it.
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You know, I grew up a fan of the 90s and it's it's not apples to
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apples. But this is in a lot of ways,
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Jeff Gordon at Watkins Glen and Sonoma back in the days where
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you go to those two tracks knowing that the 2014 was going
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to take the belt to ass. And that's what is happening
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right now with this 97 team and eventually the the pendulum will
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swing somewhere else. Yep, absolutely.
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Let's talk about SVG in the case I know we talked about this last
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week, the environment has shifted significantly for him
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kind of what we expected. And I think now that
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conversation that I know people are just going to be tired of
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hearing about points at at a point.
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But he's now 16th. He is the last guy in.
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He's clear, Briscoe and Lugano, which is just crazy.
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But when I think about the guys that are right ahead of them and
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they're just a handful of points ahead of them, Cindrick, Suarez,
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priests, I think he has the potential to beat all three,
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especially when you factor in the upcoming Rd. course races.
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So what do you make of his chances to make that chase and
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still bring the value to the team, which is essentially that
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top 16 points finish, which gives you more value for the
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charter and everything Like that's why he was brought in and
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that's what it seems like he still has the ability to
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deliver. Yeah, And you know, I, I, I
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really appreciate what Shane said after the race, which is,
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you know, without the win and you're in, it's a little less
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straightforward for them to you being a top 16 into, to your
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point, raise the, the charter's value, which is his entire
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reason for being here, that the higher in points, you finish the
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owner's points, the more money you receive per the agreement
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with NASCAR. But but Shane said, I want to do
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this the, the quote UN quote hard way.
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I don't want to just win one race.
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And that's how our season is at a minimum defined.
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I had him in the top 16 when the when the season started, like I,
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I thought he would win enough of these races and would be
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improved enough on, on ovals to to get there.
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And I mean God, if he wins 4 or how many, how many is left now
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in the in the regular season? I think there's two more in the
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regular season. Someone could clarify that for
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me. I think it's Sonoma.
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Hey, what's the other one? I'm looking at San Diego.
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San Diego, yeah. So if he goes 3 and then in the
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in the regular season, I get some there I think because I
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think that he's been a 10th to 15th place car a lot of weeks on
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on the ovals and that that gets you in the top 16.
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I mean, he's actually, he's actually been unlucky in some
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ways. Like some of his better runs
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have been derailed by misfortune.
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And that's racing. That's that's everyone has that
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right. So it all comes out in the wash.
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I don't think he's a slam dunk for the top 16.
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And I think something is, is is small in the grand scheme of
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things as the outcome of this Ryan Priest penalty, which I'm
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sure we'll get into the appeal. Yeah, it could be the the
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difference. But I think that with the extra
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15 points for winning a race, if he can get two to three of those
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in the regular season, gosh, that's that's 153045 extra
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points on everyone else who is struggling to win even a single
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race. Because he's racing against
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people who aren't going to win anywhere at all.
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And you're, you're, you're spotting him 30 to 45.
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And that's going to be really hard for people on the bubble to
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catch up to. I have a couple things I want to
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talk about and this is probably just rambling at this point.
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Stages, I'm I, I know we've talked about how I want to get
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rid of stages. I know a lot of fans have this
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belief. I watched Cinderick, Blaney,
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Chastain, all those playoff guys are on the bubble guy.
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I mean literally 12th through 19th were the guys that were
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starting inside the top ten and taking stage points in that
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first stage. And I watched those guys,
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Blaney, Cinder throw away running inside the top 10 so
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they can take stage points and not get a better finish later in
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the race. I have a big pet peeve when we
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have these races, especially because they can't pass with
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this car where you are sacrificing the finishing
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position, what you are going to go to the track and accomplish
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for stage one points 25 laps into a race.
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Is this ever going to change or is this just part of the the
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game we play now where guys can have, I mean, Blaney had a top
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five car. His speed was legit.
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He was able, He's one of the few people that can make passes
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through the field. He even got involved in a wreck
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and it didn't seem to slow him down too much.
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But he he was nowhere to be seen at the end of that race because
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he was just battling traffic the rest of the way.
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Well, you're throwing a lot at me.
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I'm, I'm, I'm of two, two minds. I'm, I'm constantly wrestling
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with this because listen, I'm not going to defend this car.
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I've been super honest about this car for a long time on
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short tracks and road courses. And even though I think that
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we're getting it better, you were, the bigger issue is not
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the horsepower. The bigger issue is not the, the
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downforce levels or the tire, it's a spec car.
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And so no matter what change you make fundamental to the car that
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they, they, they still have the same Lego kit.
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So they're all running the same speed.
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And that's why the track position matters.
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And so I don't know how you crack that on any track where
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it's a single groove, which Rd. courses are short tracks, flat
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tracks. So that's unfortunate.
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And so I, I share fans frustrations on they can't pass
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and all the things that come with that.
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The the decision to flip the stage and give up points or take
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points and try to, you know, make the best out of that
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situation, I think makes the race a little bit more
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compelling. Not not for the right reasons,
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right? Like from a purely sporting
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standpoint, you're asking someone to throw away signals of
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performance in the name of the greater good.
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But I also think that adds A strategic element to and I, I
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also think with 36 races or 26 regular season races, all of
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that also comes out with the wash.
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And I, I, I love encouraging with a spec car.
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I love encouraging teams to do something different because
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that's the only way we get passing and the only way that we
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get shuffling the field and having to watch Shane come
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through on fresher tires versus people on older tires or trying
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to save fuel. The, the stage breaks encourage
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that. And I would also say most
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importantly, because we've seen this, we have the sample size of
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data that if you do not stop the race and you do not throw the
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stage cautions, it gets way worse 'cause we still have the
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same fundamental issue, which is this is a spec card.
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Everyone's running the same speed.
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It would be the same conveyor belt cause everyone would still
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pit within the same windows. We, we saw that it's no longer
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debatable. We, we literally lived that a
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couple of years ago. And so I still think this is the
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the best option we have to mix up the racing and to break up
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that conveyor belt. But to your point, it is super
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unfortunate that teams are being faced with the the choice of
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throwing away points to try to win the race.
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And if you don't win the race and you just threw points away
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and into what? And was it good?
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You look at the the 71, right, McDowell, they, they were faced
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with that scenario and tried to get points and didn't.
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And I think it's just part of NASCAR racing with a spec car.
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I want to prep the chat because we actually got a lot of people
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in there today. I'm I was shocked.
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Maybe there's just more people at 9:00 going to watch this,
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but. Imagine that.
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I want to talk about the Fox broadcast.
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So what I need is for you guys to write all the incidents that
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they missed and there were a lot, a lot.
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So I don't want to forget any. So please, if you got them the
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real quick while that's that's prepping.
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Ty Gibbs, is he legit championship contender at this
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point? He is good everywhere.
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He's running top five. It feels like every single week.
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He needs more winning upside, but he's 6IN points.
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He is. He was right there again.
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He was legit top five all day. I don't see a weakness right
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now. Obviously Denny is going to be
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tough and there's those couple of guys, but he feels like a top
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3-4 guy right now to me. And is he a legit championship
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contender or or or am I making a little bit too much of this?
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Well, so I'm, I'm going to throw it back at you.
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Is he a championship contender versus legit championship
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contender have two different connotations, right?
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So like, I think he is a he's a championship contender.
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Like he's going to be in the mix and I think that the team is
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good enough and he's becoming consistent enough that there
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will be a point part way through the chase where it's like, hey,
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5014 is kind of hanging around and, you know, maybe he wins
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another race and and moves up the the regular season seating a
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little better. I don't think he's going to win
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enough right now when when he's going up against the the status
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quo, whether it's the right now Reddick, who I still think has
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some more wins in him. I don't think that was a early
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season fluke. Certainly the 11, I'm still not
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I, I know it's been a rough stretch.
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I still think the 20 is going to go on a tear.
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I mean, we, we saw last year winning, you know, three in a
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row. At some point they can do that
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again and all of a sudden they're back to five.
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I know it's been 36, but I, I just, there are a handful of
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teams right now that I, I know for a matter of fact that you
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can go ahead and throw three or four wins into the bucket.
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And I just can't bring myself to put the 54 there yet, even
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though I think he's almost there.
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I think that, you know, if you were to ask me, do I think
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that's realistic for next year? Yes.
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I just don't think he can win enough.
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Not that he can't win. He is not going to win enough
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right now, in my opinion, to to bridge that gap.
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The the reason I brought that up is because I was looking at
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stats. Reddick obviously is kind of
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leading in all categories because he has five wins.
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But second and top fives is Tyler is Ty Gibbs with six top
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five so far. He also has eight top 10s.
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To kind of give you an idea, Ryan Blaney has three top fives,
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Hamlin has 5, right? So he is the consistency when we
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go into a chase format where A10 race sample and you're going
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against different track types. If he can be that consistent and
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get a potential win in there, he's getting stage points at
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will. It seems like he's doing the
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things quietly under the radar. We know what Hamlin is, right?
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We know what Blaney is. We know what those top guys are.
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But is he? I just feel like there's
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something here bubbling under the surface with him and there
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is a second-half of the season where if he kind of breaks out,
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all of a sudden you're looking at a potential surprise champion
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it. And it just kind of struck my
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mom when I'm watching him lead the race again.
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I'm like how Ty Gibbs in this race last year finished like
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30th because he couldn't stop arguing with Gabe Hart and they
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wouldn't change tires because they're trying to say in some
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pit window or whatever the hell that was.
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And they're unraveling like the team was literally unraveling in
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this race seven months ago because this was ran in, you
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know, August or whatever. And now he's literally 6IN
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points run top five every week. I was like, this is one of the
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best turnarounds I've seen in a very, very, very long time.
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And two, I like, I don't see anyone more consistent than him
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other than Reddit. And that just puts him right
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there at the top of the list for me of of potential champions.
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You know where he's at to me and I I guess I need to get racing
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reference and get it in front of me.
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But if I were covering NASCAR in 2004, I probably would have said
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that I think Kurt Busch will be a championship contender, but
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he's not a championship threat. And he put together that really,
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really, you know, great Chase and, and caught the one lucky
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break with the the tire. I, I, I think the tie is in that
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same area that Kurt was in that year to where it did not
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surprise me even as a fan, many, many, you know, decades ago now,
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it's crazy to think about good Lord, with a great team, you
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know, great young driver, just when is he going to make that
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next step? And Kurt made it whenever one
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thought that he was probably another year away.
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Yeah, sorry I broke up a little. Bit OK.
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You broke up a little bit lastly on this race, Bubba Wallace, Joe
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Logano, we've talked about this in recent weeks.
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They continue to implode it. It just seems like nothing,
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nothing can go right. I I mean, I think bubble walls
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still has a pretty good shot to to make the playoffs, but it's
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not it's not safe at this point. He is only, he is 30 points
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clear of the cut line now and he was second like 7 weeks ago.
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I don't know what the Hell's happening there.
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It is an absolute mess and obviously Gano is on the outside
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looking in and he is in there 40 points behind SVG for 16th.
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I don't know how he gets in almost, you know, let's see,
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just feels a couple wins and just does something outrageous.
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It feels like both those guys are really at risk.
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What do you make of those two guys and is there anything they
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can do to turn around the season?
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Yeah, I think this is going to be, it's disappointing to say if
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you're you're fans of these drivers, but I think to a
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certain point you are with the back of your baseball card says
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if if you look in terms of a recency bias, like regardless of
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how a season starts out, you know that more often than not,
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Bubba Wallace lives on the cut line.
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His entire career to date, despite the upside, despite A
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conviction there's more to get out of Bubba that you know when
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you throw it all out in the wash again, that he's going to be a
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15th, 10th to 15th place driver. Now, the only thing that's
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different this year is that Bubba was good to hang around
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the top ten in points and with the win in your inners, you
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know, bumping closer and closer to the top ten, that's where he
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got hurt. So it's not quite the same way
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he he's gotten there in the past, but he lives on the cut
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line. Logano, if you look at the last
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couple of years, you know, you're waiting for him to win
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his way in and survive his way through the playoffs.
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And, you know, it's not a surprise to me to see Logano
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outside of the top 16 in points because that's where he's lived
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the last couple of years too. And it's astounding.
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And, and I, I don't know what to make of it because I, I don't
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think Joey's washed. I don't think Paul is the
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problem. I think there are some things
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that Ford and Penske are going through that kind of gets easily
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easy, easy to dismiss because, you know, Blaney has been so
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good. So I hope that he got paid all
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the monies, all the gold boats, because he's clearly
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overcompensating for some deficiencies within Ford and
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Penske right now. And so I I don't understand why
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the 22 is not good. But I'm with you that the math
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is very quickly starting to not math because the back of the
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baseball card says he's not going to win in Mass enough to
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make up for that. And so, you know, even the 19
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team, right, they've been super unlucky.
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And certainly last summer we saw that they could win a handful of
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races and make this a moot point.
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But we've got 14 to go now, I think.
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And again, you know TikTok, the math is starting to not to not
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math. Yeah, absolutely.
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All right, Fox Time. I watched this race on TV so
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I'm, I'm with you, I, I, I've only missed, I've only missed
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like 5 or 6 cup races this year. And so I don't watch a lot of
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races on TV and I see what fans are saying but I can't fully
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relate 'cause I'm there. Oh boy, this was bad, This was
22:25
bad. But let's go.
22:27
I don't even know where to begin because it's that bad.
22:29
Like it is unwatchable as a product, and when something so
22:35
unwatchable that it makes it already kind of monotonous,
22:38
boring product even worse, that's that's where the problem
22:41
lies, right? Like, you can have great
22:44
television coverage and mask some of the issues with the
22:47
race. This is making those issues so
22:50
much more prevalent. And that doesn't even account
22:55
for the fact that they're missing all the action on track.
22:58
You got guys in the booth who don't even understand simple
23:01
math to calculate how Shane van Gisbergen is going to still win
23:04
this race. Like Boyer's up there.
23:06
He's 7 seconds behind. He's like, he's not going to get
23:08
there. He's like, what are you talking
23:09
about? He's literally there.
23:10
And they just seem oblivious to what's happening.
23:13
We can throw NASCAR into this because Cody Weir had a huge
23:16
wreck again. He he had a huge wreck at
23:18
Chicago last year. They didn't throw caution.
23:20
He had a huge wreck this week. Damn near knocked the wall down.
23:23
Kind of did knock the wall down. NASCAR doesn't throw caution.
23:26
They don't fix the wall. TV doesn't even I mean, you
23:30
don't even know what's happening there.
23:31
You had the I got a list over here, but we'll all spin.
23:35
We don't know how that happened or why that happened from from
23:37
TV coverage, Josh Berry and Cole Custer.
23:39
We don't know what happened there necessarily.
23:41
Josh Berry and coast and host Carson Hosfar.
23:43
I had to catch that on Twitter. It was very interesting.
23:46
I thought Hosfar, you know, hooked them after he got booted.
23:48
No, Berry just came off and we wouldn't know.
23:51
Kyle Busch ran out of gas. He's running 5th.
23:54
We didn't know Kyle Busch going for a top five after all the
23:58
shit he's been through this year.
23:59
He's going to go get a top five runs out of gas.
24:01
Don't talk about it. I am dumbfounded how in the last
24:04
10 laps of that race they missed all that action.
24:07
How they you have the pieces to make this somewhat entertaining
24:10
for us and you don't. On top of that, you just sound
24:13
ignorant when you're commentating on the race.
24:16
Yeah, I, I, no, no, I'm, I'm with you.
24:19
I felt frustrated because, you know, I, I have a lot of tools
24:24
at my disposal that even the average fan doesn't in terms of
24:27
like real time scoring and, and data and analytics that, that
24:36
were provided in the media. And so there's ways for me to
24:39
comprehensively consume the race like fans.
24:42
I have HBO Max, so I, I have the ability if I want to, to consume
24:46
races that way. But because this is kind of my
24:49
off weekend, I mean, I'm never really off, but because I'm not
24:52
on the road, I kind of just wanted to casually watch this
24:55
race, right? Like I, I grabbed my cat, my cat
24:58
on my lap. I'm like, this is sit down and
25:00
watch a NASCAR cup race and I don't want to turn on any of the
25:02
other things. I barely use my scanner today
25:05
because I just wanted to casually enjoy a race because I
25:08
also thought it would be instructive to to kind of
25:11
consume a race the way the fans do.
25:13
And by the end of the race, I was so mad because I'm getting
25:16
more more information and more details from my peers in the
25:22
media who did go than I did from the broadcast, who should be the
25:26
chief storyteller for this race and in this event.
25:30
And I still don't fully understand.
25:32
Like, I'm reading the comments, I'm listening to you.
25:34
And I, there's things that I want to go follow up on.
25:37
Like, I want to go fire up HBO Max tomorrow morning and watch
25:41
some of those incidents back because TV did not tell me what
25:45
I, as a consumer, as a fan in that moment needed to know.
25:48
And it's just so disheartening. I will give Clint and the the
25:52
booth kind of a pass on the math part of it because all they have
25:58
to go on is based on Shane's pace throughout the day.
26:02
And it's very clear that he had another gear all along that he
26:07
was kind of saving and so. He's 2 seconds a lot faster.
26:10
Yeah. Like it was huge.
26:12
And so I will give them a pass on, well, the math doesn't say
26:14
he's going to get there because we, we, we see his trends, We
26:17
have the, the bar graphs, I have it in front of me too, of what
26:21
his car's potential was all day. And if that's all you have to go
26:24
by, he was supposed to get there with like 4 laps to go and he
26:29
shattered that. That's because he was just
26:31
withholding so much from, from all of us.
26:35
So I'll give him a pass on that. But the number of crashes and
26:39
last couple of lap, the Kyle Busch situations fuel all that's
26:44
unacceptable. Like as a consumer who is more,
26:49
more, more equipped with more data than most fans, I should
26:54
not have as many questions as I still do, you know, 2 hours, 3
26:58
hours after the race. Yeah, absolutely.
27:00
I'm, I think I'm most disturbed by the Cody Ware thing because
27:06
we saw this issue with the robo and Parker Clergman in the race.
27:09
He should have, maybe shouldn't have won when the car was stuck
27:12
in their entire barrier for 30 seconds right?
27:15
Then this, the next year, Cody Ware has an incident in Chicago.
27:18
And now we're a year later and we're having the same issues
27:20
where NASCAR's oblivious to a car smashing the wall.
27:24
Like I, I just don't know how. And it's not like Cody Ware was
27:27
30 seconds behind the pack either.
27:29
He was actually running within the he was about 20th when that
27:32
happened. He's running mid pack with a
27:34
bunch of guys and it just seems like we are not doing anything
27:39
to rectify the issues that they said they were going to rectify
27:42
the last time this happened. And so I, I just, I, I'm a, I'm
27:46
a little disappointed and, and like the racing being is what it
27:50
is, what it is. And I can live with it.
27:51
And you show up with the pieces you got and you race with it
27:53
and, and the show's good or not whatever.
27:56
But these fundamental flaws that we have as as an I, I, I don't
27:59
want to say we because I'm not technically in the industry
28:01
other than this podcast, but that the industry has with
28:04
officiating or talking about electric freaking O'Reilly
28:07
series or all these dumb things that they continue to do.
28:12
This feels like it highlighted so many of those things today
28:14
and it just kind of set me off. I don't know.
28:19
No, Yeah, I don't. I don't know if they have,
28:21
because here's the thing, like TV did not give us great angles
28:24
of what happened, which leads me to believe that they, they don't
28:28
exist. So like TV was not capable of
28:31
telling us the stories there because they didn't have the,
28:35
the, the information and the views to even illustrate it,
28:39
Which then leads me to wonder, does race control then not have
28:44
it for? And I, I think some of this is
28:46
front and center of mine because of what happened in the IndyCar
28:49
race on Saturday, right? Like I, I think we're all super
28:52
hyper aware of. Driver.
28:55
Yeah, the driver safety and just general standards and practices
29:00
that are being missed in high level Motorsports and super
29:05
unfortunate. I'm not going to I'm not going
29:06
to beat the hell out of them, but I, I think they know both TV
29:10
and race control knows that there are some things to take
29:13
back to the to the drawing board and I trust them to fix it.
29:16
That's just unfortunate that these sort of things are
29:20
manifesting a couple of Rd. course and or street course
29:23
races in a in a row because they've already told us.
29:26
Yeah, we acknowledge there's a problem.
29:28
We got to clean some of that up. Well, here we are again.
29:32
It's like when you date someone who cheats on you all the time.
29:34
They're like, yeah, I know I shouldn't do this.
29:35
And then they just go do it again.
29:37
It's like, your words mean nothing, bro.
29:39
Anyways, Ryan Priest, I I was very pissed off when this
29:45
penalty was announced and Kyle Busch did not get one.
29:48
I did not understand it. I do not agree with it.
29:51
It's as obvious as night and day that they both did something
29:53
intentionally. But no, that's not true.
29:59
That's that's, that's, that's, that's not true.
30:04
OK, So I, I, based on everything that I've I've heard and have
30:10
been told and seen and I understand.
30:13
Listen, I, I listen, I'm the guy.
30:14
If you watched the show last week, I said you got to penalize
30:17
both of them based on the information we had, with the
30:21
caveat there might be some things in SMT that might
30:24
convince me otherwise. So all this to say, last week I
30:31
thought both of them should be penalized and right now I'm not
30:33
sure either of them should should have been.
30:36
But everything showed that Kyle was turning left, that he was
30:41
trying to keep it straight, and the car appeared to have had
30:46
some mechanical issues that prevented it from making the
30:50
corner. Everything I've seen and
30:53
everything that I've heard and everyone that I've talked to,
30:55
they're kind of of the mentality that that that starts to track a
30:59
little bit more. I know the visual just purely
31:02
from a camera doesn't make it look good, but if you're trying
31:05
to turn the car and it won't, Is it on him to then maybe lift?
31:10
Yeah. But he hasn't made a corner yet,
31:11
so I don't know if he knows how bad it is to that point.
31:15
But all of that to say, I think, OK, I, I can understand the
31:20
priest thing. I, I've kind of changed my mind
31:23
on because there's nothing in the data, the SMT data to show
31:30
that he was that that much more aggressive in the, the, the
31:35
turn. Like he he really appeared to
31:37
have not cut him a break tie a break that he would maybe would
31:41
have cut him before or any anyone else.
31:44
It wasn't that egregiously different.
31:45
The only thing that NASCAR had to go go on was, you know, what
31:50
was it? The next time I I get to the 54,
31:52
I'm I'm over it. It's not like Ryan says I'm
31:55
going to junk him. I'm going to destroy him.
31:58
He just said something to the effects of I'm I'm over him,
32:01
right. And so I'm not sure the data
32:04
indicated enough for either now that we've had a week to chew on
32:08
it, that either of those should should be a penalty.
32:11
But I again, for those who don't watch the show regularly, I'm
32:14
also still the mentality mentality of we just let drivers
32:18
get out of the car and and punch another driver in the face.
32:21
This would all be a moot point, but I digress.
32:24
What so are you of the mind that this penalty should be
32:29
overturned? Do you think they have a case or
32:32
he's this is going to be, I mean, he's the cut line is
32:34
sneaking up on them now after that and in this particular
32:37
race, do you think there's opportunity to get those 25
32:40
points back because it it could be a a crucial situation for
32:43
him? Yeah, I think it would be
32:45
similar in spirit to the buyer and penalty that, you know, he
32:48
gets his points back and there's still a fine.
32:51
And I think, I think that the 60 team would be more than glad
32:54
they'll pay double the money to to get to get their points back,
32:57
given, you know, the proximity that they're falling into.
33:01
Those points are so valuable. And RFK is probably good for it.
33:07
If it comes down to that. My gut says it'll be it'll be
33:12
reduced on a pill, but we'll see.
33:17
Last part about the Cup, Cup Series All Star race next
33:20
weekend at Dover. It's obviously a unique
33:24
situation that we're going to Dover for this particular event.
33:27
First time out of the southeast at least we we did that one race
33:31
at Bristol, but it has been a Charlotte Marsh Speedway at
33:33
Landmark Speedway for a couple years.
33:35
Whatever in the 80s and then North Wilkesboro.
33:38
You don't You don't remember the The Fame Texas All Star race.
33:41
Oh God, yeah, I forgot about the one Chastain.
33:44
Chastain there that killed himself.
33:48
I'm not too excited about the the entire prospect of this
33:52
race, but I'm I'm, I'm also really nervous about the way
33:56
they're going about it, the way, you know, the, the elimination,
33:59
essentially the All Star Open, the length of the race being
34:04
basically like a 350 mile race or whatever it is at Dover.
34:08
What are your thoughts heading into the All Star race there?
34:09
Are you keeping an open mind? Are you negatively looking at
34:12
this thing like I am or what do you think?
34:14
Dover in the Next Gen. era is not my favorite racetrack, but I
34:19
will tell you I like the format and I think I think fans, and
34:25
I'm not saying that fans are are stupid or anything like that.
34:29
I just don't think that fans have fully opened themselves up
34:33
to seeing what this format is. The Open still exist, just not
34:38
in the way that you historically process it.
34:42
Because they didn't want to take laps away from fans who have
34:45
always attended Dover races. They wanted to give them a full
34:48
length Cup race. And so the way they structured
34:51
the format is they built the Open into this larger fulfilled
34:57
race. We're just going to to cut you
34:59
if you do not meet the the criteria.
35:02
There's a little bit of of Vermont Milk Bowl.
35:07
I don't know if anyone in the chat is familiar with the the
35:11
Milk Bowl. It's this really, really famed
35:13
ACT style car race. And in Vermont to where it's 3
35:17
segments, they qualify, they race the first stage straight
35:20
up, the entire field is inverted.
35:23
And then they run the entire second stage and then it gets
35:26
inverted and then they run the entire third stage.
35:29
And the winner is not the first driver that crosses the finish
35:31
line, it's actually the driver with the lowest average finish
35:35
across the three segments after being inverted twice.
35:40
And NASCAR was very heavily inspired by the Milk Bowl, but
35:46
they just could not bring themselves to go all the way
35:48
with having the winner of the race not be the person that
35:51
crossed the finish line 1st. And I think it's probably fair
35:54
to say that fans who are not familiar with the Milk Bowl
35:58
probably would have rejected it. As much as I love that race, I
36:01
still think we should try it because there's constant action,
36:05
constant passing. Your constantly flipping the
36:07
field over and over and over again.
36:08
It just requires too much math. And as we've learned, asking Fox
36:12
to give us real time good math might be a a tall order to.
36:18
I don't. I don't think the racing will be
36:20
great. It's.
36:23
So I'm open to what they're going to give us.
36:26
I, I, I, I'm open to the race being as long as it is because
36:30
they're trying to give fans that and they're building the open
36:33
into it with the inversions. All this to say, I've made my
36:38
mind up to go and a lot of that decision was made based on the
36:43
format. I waited until the format came
36:45
out to book everything and I'm like, you know what?
36:48
I think there's something here. I don't think it'll be enough to
36:50
overcome this car and this product, but I I'm open to being
36:56
proven wrong and if nothing else, I'll get a pretty good
36:58
truck show and I'll get a great O'Reilly show and then the All
37:02
Star race can be whatever, whatever it is.
37:04
So to me it made it worth going. Gotcha.
37:07
All right, well, the chat is getting anxious.
37:10
Cletus McFarland is on on their mind.
37:15
I'm not watching if y'all ain't talking about Cletus.
37:18
How can we pigeonhole Cletus into this this episode?
37:22
What do you think he had for breakfast this morning?
37:24
Like I I don't know what else to talk about.
37:26
So you think he's like a ham and egg guy or?
37:30
I don't know. I'm not touching this.
37:33
Do we have actually something, something of substance to talk
37:37
about Cletus? No, do you see I got him into
37:39
the into the whatever graphic? Yeah.
37:43
I didn't. I didn't look at the graphic
37:45
yet. I put him on the hood of Shane's
37:47
car. Where was where was he this
37:49
weekend? What did what did he have going
37:51
on? I have no clue.
37:52
I I don't I don't know if he's doing anything.
37:54
That's what the chats here for. I figured because I'm, I'm, you
37:56
know, oh, you. You stuck them on the car.
37:59
Jesus. No, clean us up.
38:02
Actually, I do have something to say.
38:04
So I got a paycheck from Kenny Wallace and that was.
38:10
Kenny Wallace. Kenny Wallace Media, to be
38:12
clear. Kenny Wallace Media, the the,
38:13
you know, the highest end of of media platform that there is.
38:18
And I was like, what am I going to do with this money?
38:20
It was just for a couple shows. I was like, I went and bought a
38:23
couple of Cletus McFarland hats and a Cletus McFarland T-shirt
38:27
and I'm going to give them away to to the fans as soon as they
38:30
come in. We're going to do a giveaway to
38:33
the Cletus fans because a lot of you guys are here for Cletus and
38:37
we'll give it away. So I do have Cletus news and I
38:41
just dropped it. So hopefully that satiates you
38:43
guys for guys for the week when he starts getting into Nashville
38:46
in a couple weeks, we'll obviously talk about that and
38:49
then we'll we'll keep ramp things up.
38:51
Maybe if the stuff arrives before then the giveaway will be
38:53
for the national race. Maybe we'll mix it in with that.
38:55
So we will give you Cletus content, I promise.
38:58
I know he's the the money mover right now.
39:01
So our needle mover. So we will definitely get there.
39:03
Kate and Honeycutt, this is the the last thing I really have on
39:06
my notes here. Absolute monster weekend.
39:08
This is he needed this for, in my opinion, this is the thing he
39:11
needed to really launch the rest of this year.
39:13
To go out there and just be like, I am a dominant force and
39:16
I'm going to go out and win every damn race.
39:18
Similar to what Hyman's done in that 11 truck.
39:20
I know he's super strong in late models and got a ton of truckies
39:23
there, but that first truck win was huge.
39:25
To do it on a road course is crazy.
39:26
To beat Zilich is crazy. Like the way he did it was
39:29
perfect because now he's going to be able to say, you know
39:31
what, hell, I got the best truck.
39:32
I'm just going to go kick ass. So I know you're you're good
39:35
friends with them. You guys conversate a lot.
39:37
Talk to me about his entire weekend, all the things he
39:40
accomplished and just kind of put a bow on on what is it
39:44
obviously a special weekend for him.
39:46
Yeah, so I, I didn't go to Watkins Glen because I, I
39:49
schedule all of my off weekends with Cars Tour races.
39:53
I I love the cars tour and I try to schedule not going to cup
39:58
races around the cars Tour. So certainly I was, I was at a
40:01
Speedway last night. Kaden crosses the line after
40:06
winning the Late model Stock race.
40:08
He won the pro late model race earlier in the evening, won the
40:11
late model stock race. And this kind of got him in
40:13
trouble a little bit, but he came over the radio and was
40:15
like. Who's the best?
40:19
I am. It was kind of like that the
40:21
bowling guy thing, you know, who are you?
40:24
I am. This is kind of like what it
40:26
was. And he had kind of ran Landon
40:30
Lewis of Kevin Harvick incorporated into the wall on
40:34
one of the final two restarts. And Landon was so mad.
40:39
And Landon, who is the the understudy of Ron Hornaday
40:44
junior was was like, you know, I heard him say, you know, no
40:49
one's going to beat me. Well, I'm going to beat them.
40:51
And so I appreciated the gamesmanship.
40:53
Go go back to my social media feeds or on short track scenes,
40:57
facebooks and and you'll see the the content.
41:00
It was very compelling short track racing.
41:03
But to your point, Kaden deserves to be a little big for
41:08
his britches as as Landon said, because he had a great weekend
41:13
and his star got a little brighter.
41:16
I mean, even Justin Marks in the post race press conference today
41:20
at Watkins Glen even took some time away from talking about
41:24
Shane and then track house to to give a shout out to the Kaden
41:29
Honeycutt, which I thought was really surprising because that's
41:32
a Toyota driver. Now keep in mind, Justin Co owns
41:36
the car store with Dell Junior, Jeff Burton and Kevin Harvick.
41:40
So he, he does have a vested interest in that pipeline, which
41:44
is where Kaden came from. But people are taking notice.
41:48
And I, I've known for a long time that that Kaden was going
41:54
to be special, not because he's a good race car driver, but he
42:00
knows race cars. He grew up running, you know,
42:03
dirt modifieds and dirt late models in Texas and was always
42:07
super hands on with his equipment and every step along
42:10
the way driving for Donnie Wilson and super late models,
42:14
driving for Tom Usry and late model Stocks and every other car
42:18
he's driven, he's been super hands on and he knows his way
42:22
around the race car. He's everything you want A a
42:26
blue collar grassroots turn potential superstar to be.
42:30
And so there's a lot of really good young race car drivers.
42:33
So I don't want to go overboard about Caden, but this is Caden's
42:36
moment and I'm sure other drivers are going to have their
42:39
moment and we'll give them their flowers too.
42:43
But now that he's got this first truck went out of the way and I
42:45
never would have predicted Watkins Glen because he just
42:48
didn't grow up doing Rd. racing. That's a testament to him doing
42:51
his homework. I think he's going, he's going
42:54
to win a bunch of them, right? Like this is still the same
42:56
team, Scott Zippidelli, the the entire same engineering crew
43:01
going back to their time together at Hattori.
43:04
People don't realize that this team that that's dominated the
43:07
Truck Series, that is Greg Zippidelli or Greg Zippidelli.
43:11
Scott Zippidelli's same Rd. crew going back to Atori.
43:14
They just moved from Atori to Tricon and so you stick a good
43:18
race car driver like a Corey Heim, like a Caden Honeycutt in
43:22
that system and they're going to win 5 or 6 races and it might
43:26
not happen this year. You give Caden a second year in
43:29
that truck, he's probably winning 6-7 races too.
43:32
Like get used to it. I still think he's got that
43:34
outside this year. I mean, when you look at it,
43:37
Laneburg is going to be tough week in, week out.
43:39
But there's not. I mean, there's only a handful
43:40
of guys that are really true race winners at at every track.
43:44
And I, I think Kaden's in the best situation and, and like you
43:47
said, zip it though, he's been doing this for a decade.
43:50
Brett Moffett champion, Austin Hill should have been champion
43:53
if if he just had Phoenix under under control.
43:56
And then you look at, you know, what he did with Corey Heim.
44:00
This is the next guy. And, and I think Honeycutt's
44:02
going to kind of launch here the second-half of this year because
44:04
he has a speed. It's it's there.
44:06
We didn't get to it last week and I don't even know if I want
44:09
to bring it up now because he just went 4 for four.
44:11
But what I was bringing up with Caden Hunnicutt when he texted
44:14
you was his closing ability. I was like, right there.
44:17
I was like, man, it's he going to be able to start closing
44:20
these races out because that, you know, he was really hard on
44:22
himself after that race. And this, This is why I think
44:25
this is such an important win is because not only did he close it
44:28
out, but the the way he closed it out and how he did it, I
44:31
think was about as impressive as you can do it.
44:33
And I think it's just a a huge, huge win for him.
44:36
Yeah, and it's the last thing that every race car driver who
44:39
is a top guy at every level has to eventually overcome is that,
44:44
you know, you, you, it's a cliche, but race car drivers say
44:47
you have to run, learn to run in the top ten.
44:49
The top five lose some some races to then eventually win
44:52
them. And he's been in the mix, some
44:54
second place finishes and restarts that got away from him
44:59
and which race was earlier in the year.
45:01
They all start to run together. Darlington, I think it was
45:07
Darlington had a spring truck race, right?
45:10
Yeah. And that was a race that he lost
45:12
on a restart, if I recall. And he got out of the car and
45:14
actually hugged his parents. And you could just tell he was
45:16
he was wearing that one. And he wears his heart on his
45:21
sleeves. And he's always been of the
45:25
mindset that I will lose a race a certain way once, but I'm not
45:29
going to lose a certain race twice.
45:32
And that's generally been his career.
45:34
And now that he's learned how to to throw away a race every which
45:39
way possible, he's not going to make those mistakes again.
45:42
So to your point, that ceiling is certainly there this year.
45:46
And he's the presumptive championship favorite until
45:49
proven otherwise. I mean, Riggs is right there
45:51
too, obviously. But I still think a Scott
45:54
Zippideli team, I'll take that over a front row team.
45:57
Yeah, and the and the real positive for him is just the way
46:00
the the playoffs layout Kansas, Charlotte, Homestead that is
46:02
just goldmine for Scott's ability teams, you know that
46:06
they're intermediate packages untouchable.
46:08
So very, very cool weekend. Congratulations to him.
46:12
I should we should talk about Connor Zillich just because I
46:15
put him on the graphic, it would be pretty silly not to talk
46:18
about his O'Reilly wins. So we can touch on that real
46:20
quick. Jesse to me is the bigger story.
46:22
Yeah, to me, I mean, give, give Connor all the praise in the
46:26
world. But to me, Jesse was so close to
46:29
perfect. And he he did make one mistake.
46:31
He was, he was forced into the mistake.
46:35
That's a rotten way to lose a race.
46:37
Because I think that Danny Stockman just a brilliant, gutsy
46:41
call that will not get credit now.
46:44
But God, he, he he knew he had the car.
46:46
He knew he had the driver, the driver just had to be perfect
46:50
and he was up until the final corner.
46:52
Yeah, absolutely. I don't really know if there's a
46:55
whole lot from that race. Obviously zilch doesn't hurt
46:57
himself getting out of the car. That was a big win.
47:00
I I find everything about, you know, getting out of the roof of
47:03
the car funny to every single time.
47:04
I was like, yeah, I remember when he fell on his head, you
47:07
know, I just, I just replayed every time.
47:09
So glad he's OK from from that deal.
47:10
But a little extra moment there in Victory Lane with the pad on
47:15
on the ground. So I thought that was just just
47:17
kind of cool. And then the last thing I want
47:19
to talk about from that race or I have two things.
47:21
One, Brett Cruz is now within the the Chase bubble.
47:24
He's now officially in which we knew he would be.
47:27
He is closing in on top five. Like he is chomping down points
47:31
on these guys. He's coming, he is coming.
47:34
So I wanted to update that. And then Natalie Decker, we
47:38
talked about Cletus not being ready for O'Reilly races at at
47:42
Rockingham. I shouldn't be on the track.
47:44
We've had that point. Natalie Decker is at the point
47:47
where I'm I'm like, how can we allow this this to continue
47:51
Daytona? The not even checking up and
47:54
destroying car was was unacceptable.
47:57
She was 10 seconds off the pace. Now, either that truck was that
48:00
bad or she has no business on the racetrack.
48:04
What do you think? I am very reluctant to opine
48:10
just because I'm old enough now and I've been doing this long
48:13
enough that I, I used to, I would used to just shoot from
48:17
the hip and I thought I was the smartest guy in the room and I
48:21
would say stuff and then I would be very quickly reminded how
48:24
little I didn't know. And so I, I wasn't at the
48:26
racetrack this weekend, right? So I haven't done my due
48:28
diligence. I haven't checked in.
48:30
I haven't talked to anyone from the team.
48:31
So I don't know. But I can tell you, historically
48:34
speaking, that teams, when they're cashing a check and it's
48:38
from a driver that they know is not there to be competitive and
48:44
to to put in the work, the effort on a car is not the same
48:49
as it normally is. And I'm not saying that was the
48:52
case here because I do not want to undermine or diminish
48:57
anyone's work ethic or the work that they do.
48:59
But how could you? How could you, you know, put
49:02
your heart and soul into a car that you know is not going to to
49:06
to be in the mix? And so that's also not her her
49:11
what what bread and butter she might have certainly isn't in
49:14
Rd. course racing. She grew up in the, you know,
49:16
late model scene in Wisconsin. And certainly she's capable of
49:22
running superspeedways, you know, wide open on the throttle.
49:26
But that that partnership that allowed her to go do a road
49:30
course race was not well thought out, mostly just from a safety
49:33
standpoint. And by the way, what I hate the
49:35
most about it is that it then put NASCAR and all the teams in
49:43
a bad spot because we sent trucks home with drivers who are
49:46
more capable of competing. And I'm going to get you in a
49:49
second. Yeah, yeah.
49:50
And so it puts me in the position of having to defend the
49:52
system because people are like, how can you allow that car, a
49:55
truck to be on the racetrack? And I'm like owner points
49:59
because if you if you do not give the owner points value,
50:04
you're going to lose participation over the course of
50:06
the year. And so the system is good.
50:08
This is just one of the rare instances where a driver put the
50:13
system in a bad light because I don't want to revamp the the
50:16
owner point structure. Like you want to reward teams
50:18
that show up every week because having fulfilled is in fact a
50:23
good thing. But every now and then you have
50:25
a situation like this to where it's hard to defend it.
50:29
Yeah. So the, the question I want to
50:31
pose that after everything you just said, which was fantastic,
50:34
you're, you're very eloquent. Sometimes she was 9 seconds off
50:40
the pole here. And in F1, there's a 107% rule.
50:45
Basically you have to run a certain lifetime within the
50:47
leader or they can say go home, you're not racing.
50:50
She was, I think it would have been 112%.
50:53
It's basically where she was at within the scenario.
50:56
She's she's so far off the pace that she wouldn't qualify.
50:59
Does there need to be some sort of rule within the NASCAR
51:02
spectrum that says if you can't make a certain speed, it doesn't
51:05
matter? Now, obviously if a motor blows
51:07
in qualifying or transmission laser like you take certain
51:10
things into account. But if she can't put up a lap
51:12
time within reason and and like Tony Brighton, sorry, I messed
51:17
up that the last thing there she was competitive.
51:19
Her her she's she's never going to be a race winner right or
51:22
anything. But her lap times are
51:23
competitive. She's someone that I do believe
51:26
belongs on the track for what she is in the situation.
51:29
She and she was three or she was 5 seconds faster than what
51:32
Decker was in qualifying. Like they're in different zip
51:36
codes and and Brettinger would have been the 32nd fastest
51:39
qualifier or whatever. Does there need to be a rule to
51:42
prevent someone just showing up in a truck and and getting in
51:45
the race? I'm still inclined to say no
51:49
because you want to reward those teams, but certainly if they're
51:53
not meeting minimum speed, then you get them off the racetrack
51:56
and you slap too slow on the on the final rundown.
52:01
And that's super unfortunate. And it's not, it's not fair to a
52:05
faster driver or faster car, but it's also the rule.
52:08
And I don't think this is going to happen enough to warrant
52:13
having industry wide conversations about it.
52:17
It's just unfortunate for everyone involved that we we
52:22
never really look at them. But people get sent home faster.
52:24
People get sent home all the time.
52:26
Like we see that all the time. And it's only a talking point
52:30
because of who it is and how slow this particular instance
52:35
was. But week in and week out, this
52:38
is not a thing that we tend to put a lot of energy into and I
52:41
don't think we should as again, it's unfortunate and I hate it,
52:44
but we won't talk about this again for another couple of
52:47
months. Kelsey Graces again, maybe?
52:50
Sorry. That's great, by the way.
52:53
I, I, I, I said this at Daytona too.
52:55
And I just, I always want to be clear because I I hate, I hate
53:00
dunking on people that I have to look in the eye at some point.
53:05
And I said this after Daytona when this became a talking
53:08
point. I think there's a place for
53:10
Natalie Decker and NASCAR. I genuinely, I want to tell
53:14
everyone in the chat, she loves the sport and she wants to find
53:18
a place to participate in it. Like despite the theatrics and
53:22
her behavior, which is not for everyone and and certainly it
53:26
has a shelf life, she does love racing and her she comes from a
53:30
family of racers. That's all her family's ever
53:32
done is short track racing and and compete at the the NASCAR
53:35
levels. I still maintain that she is a
53:39
brilliant marketer. She knows how to sell things,
53:44
but I think that her her business savviness could be
53:48
utilized in a different role to be valuable to a team and a
53:54
driver who who has the skill set she lacks.
54:00
And I would just love to see her turn her her marketing savviness
54:04
to another Ave. because I want people to know she she cares
54:08
genuinely about racing legitimately.
54:11
But all she knows how to sell right now is her brand, and that
54:15
brand has a very small shelf life.
54:20
Well said. All right.
54:22
Anything I missed? I, I I don't think so.
54:25
Easy week. We're under an hour here, so I'm
54:26
excited about that. You got a hockey game to watch?
54:28
Anything else you need to get off your chest?
54:34
No, I don't think so. I mean, I feel now, now, now I
54:37
feel obligated to. I, I think I, I say this once a
54:40
show that I, we have way more participants in the show this
54:43
week than ever before, which I think is a really super positive
54:46
sign given the race was not that compelling.
54:49
And so I hope you guys stick around.
54:51
I love talking racing with y'all.
54:54
We're starting to build a community here and that is not
54:56
lost on me. So I appreciate everyone in the
54:58
chat. I read every single comment.
55:00
You'll see me if I'm, if you're watching the show, I keep
55:02
looking down as I want to know what you guys are saying and
55:07
what you think about the race every week.
55:08
And I appreciate our our community.
55:11
Yeah, perfect. Well said, Thank you guys for
55:14
checking out the show. I I don't know if the 9:00 PM
55:16
start time will stick very long. It will probably be at 12:00
55:20
next time. I don't think so.
55:21
Dover. No lights at Dover.
55:23
Oh, you're right. Are you going?
55:25
I am. OK well let me know I'm here
55:28
whenever you guys are ready to do a show.
55:31
So just just send me a text. Check out short track scene.
55:35
Matt's got a lot of good stuff out there this week.
55:36
I thought a lot of cool. I thought the Landon Lewis quote
55:38
was fantastic. I thought that was very, very
55:40
good stuff. So check that out and we will
55:42
catch you next week. Motor motor motor sport don't my
55:45
my actual employer. That's up to you motorsport.com
55:49
though, Yes, definitely. You can just follow me and Matt
55:53
do whatever. He's going to post stuff all the
55:54
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for good racing coverage, obviously give him a follow.
55:58
We will catch you next week, guys.
55:59
Thank you. Bye.