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Full Show Podcast: 17 July 2025 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
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  Speaker 1: early edition with expole insulation, keeping Kimi Holmes warm and
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  Speaker 1: try this Winter News Talks.
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  Speaker 2: There'd be askyboding you and welcome to the program for
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  Speaker 2: a Thursday. I'm Andrew Dickens. I'm here until six and
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  Speaker 2: coming up, the National Library is burning books, including the Bible,
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  Speaker 2: the Quran and the Torrah. Should we be worried, We'll
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  Speaker 2: have that story for you in ten. There's changes to
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  Speaker 2: the pricing system for off peak power, so will this
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  Speaker 2: make a meaningful difference to your bill? We'll have that
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  Speaker 2: story in fifteen. As a Harry Potter TV series starts filming,
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  Speaker 2: Emma Watson is in big trouble.
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  Speaker 1: With the law.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have that story after five point thirty. And it's
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  Speaker 2: the end of open classrooms, so how destructive was this ideology?
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  Speaker 2: We'll have that story for you just before six. We'll
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  Speaker 2: have correspondents from right around New Zealand. Mitch McCann's joining
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  Speaker 2: us from the United States of America. And you can
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  Speaker 2: have your say too by using the text two ninety two.
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  Speaker 2: A small charge applies. It's eight minutes half five the agenda.
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  Speaker 2: It's Thursday, the seventeenth of July, Israel says it's strake
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  Speaker 2: a military target in the area of the Presidential Palace
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  Speaker 2: in Damascus. This is in southwestern Syria. It earlier said
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  Speaker 2: it hit the headquarters of the Syrian military in the
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  Speaker 2: city Netania, who says Israel is trying to protect members
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  Speaker 2: of the Druze community who are in southwest Syria where
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  Speaker 2: there have been deadly sectarian clashes.
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  Speaker 3: We are acting to save our Dreuze brothers and to
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  Speaker 3: eliminate the rag used gangs. And now I have one
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  Speaker 3: request from you. You are citizens of Israel, do not
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  Speaker 3: cross the border. You're endangering your lives. You could be killed,
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  Speaker 3: you could be kidnapped, and you are harming the IDF's efforts. Therefore,
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  Speaker 3: I ask you return to your homes. Lets the IDEAF.
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  Speaker 2: Act to America, where Donald Trump's been facing a rare
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  Speaker 2: backlash from supporters who want the release of information on
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  Speaker 2: the Epstein case. He says Attorney General Pam BONDI should
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  Speaker 2: actually release whatever she thinks is credible.
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  Speaker 1: You want credible evidence with something like that. But she's
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  Speaker 1: handled it very well and it's.
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  Speaker 4: Going to be up to her.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: as you heard in the news, we can officially consider
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  Speaker 2: the feud between Paul Gallan and Sonny Bill Williams to
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  Speaker 2: be squashed. In a long anticipated showdown, Gallen came out
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  Speaker 2: on top, edging Williams in a split decision, so two
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  Speaker 2: judges had it for Gallon seventy seven seventy four and
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  Speaker 2: seventy six seventy five, while the third gave it to
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  Speaker 2: Williams seventy seven seventy four. And now the two are
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  Speaker 2: going to get coffee together.
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  Speaker 5: I'm able to break for it with him. And yes,
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  Speaker 5: he said, you want to have a coffee, And I said,
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  Speaker 5: so me and him will go for coffee one day,
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, I have a chat and I say, man,
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  Speaker 5: I'm too glad to be worried about so silly school
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  Speaker 5: schoolboys spat, so to speak. So yeah, I'm looking I'm
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  Speaker 5: actually looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 2: Sure they're going to have a coffee. But he also said,
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  Speaker 2: me and him, we're like oil and water. We're never
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  Speaker 2: going to break bread. But I am willing to have
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  Speaker 2: a coffee and catch up. Man to man, I wish
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  Speaker 2: him all the best for him and his It's nine
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  Speaker 2: after five.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on early edition with x fol insulation keeping
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  Speaker 1: Kili homes warm and dry. This winter news talks it'd.
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  Speaker 2: Be so we're all heartbroken at the Yuku car crash
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  Speaker 2: that killed three a mother, a daughter and a niece.
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  Speaker 2: I know the road well. I grew up in that county.
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  Speaker 2: The road is well known by all locals as being dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: They call it the roller coaster. It's used as a
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  Speaker 2: rat run to get to Pokakoi and so users think
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  Speaker 2: it's a faster road than the main road, so off
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  Speaker 2: they go. This road is up and down. It's been
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  Speaker 2: described as like a BMX track. It's slim and slippery,
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  Speaker 2: and there are ditches and colvets all along its edges,
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  Speaker 2: and it's bumpy. One mistake, go off the road. The
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  Speaker 2: car is airborne. It's well used the way. Kato Council
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  Speaker 2: now has got it marked for improvements, but as we
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  Speaker 2: all know, money is time for councils right now. One
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  Speaker 2: guy who lives on the road is petrified by it.
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  Speaker 2: He says he only ever turns left as he gets
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  Speaker 2: out of his driveway because it's it's too dangerous to
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  Speaker 2: cross lanes. So locals have been saying that maybe the
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  Speaker 2: road needs more speed cameras. Guess what, it already has them.
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  Speaker 2: That's not the answer. Then the answer is simple, just
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  Speaker 2: make the road safer. Now here's the rub. The road
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  Speaker 2: has an eighty kilometer in our speed limit and it's
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  Speaker 2: still a menace. And I wonder if this is another
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  Speaker 2: road that the government wants to hit with their blanket
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  Speaker 2: speed limits. The simplistic, well, it's the open road. Let's
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  Speaker 2: go to one hundred idea. So your locals and you're worried,
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  Speaker 2: you put in an eighty k limit and people still die.
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  Speaker 2: As I said before, the real answer is to reduce
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  Speaker 2: the speed limit further until the road is improved. Then
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  Speaker 2: you can put it back up to eighty or one
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  Speaker 2: hundred maybe. Because I'll tell you what. At the moment,
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  Speaker 2: the rollercoaster is getting a new name. They're calling it
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  Speaker 2: the boneyards. News Talk said they're burning books at the
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  Speaker 2: National Library. Shock, horror. They're burning books and the books
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  Speaker 2: are religious Bible. It is okay, the Bible, the Quran,
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  Speaker 2: the Torrah. So we'll talk about that in about ten
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  Speaker 2: minutes time. But here's the big news. They changed the
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  Speaker 2: way we do our power bills they've given more power
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  Speaker 2: to off peak power use, so will this make a
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  Speaker 2: meaningful difference to your power bill? We'll talk to Consumer
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  Speaker 2: New Zealand right after the break here on News Talks
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  Speaker 2: here b It's twelve after five.
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  Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day early
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  Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and x Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi
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  Speaker 1: homes warm and dry this winter news talks at be
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  Speaker 1: goodbody to you.
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  Speaker 2: It's five thirteen. I'm Andrew Dickens. So have you got
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  Speaker 2: the power on? Have you got the kettle on? Have
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  Speaker 2: you got the lights on? Have you got the heateron?
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  Speaker 2: Here some news for you. New deals will soon become
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  Speaker 2: available to bring down your power bill. Rule changes by
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  Speaker 2: the Electricity Authority will force the Big four retailers to
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  Speaker 2: offer lower prices for off peak power use. It also
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  Speaker 2: requires the gentailors to give better deals to homes that
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  Speaker 2: sell power using solar batteries. Poor fouj as the power
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  Speaker 2: switch manager at Consuming New Zealand. He's got up early
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  Speaker 2: for us. Good morning to your pool.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't we already have off peak prices?
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  Speaker 6: Yes we do, so there's those plans are already available.
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  Speaker 6: So some retailers do already offer those.
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  Speaker 2: Plans, So what's different now.
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  Speaker 6: What they're proposing to do is insists that all retailers
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  Speaker 6: offer those types of plans is an option.
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  Speaker 2: So is it forcing them to offer them as opposed
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  Speaker 2: to allowing them to offer them if they want to
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  Speaker 2: offer them.
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  Speaker 6: That's correct, that's the Big four gen tailors. Now my
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  Speaker 6: role is as power switch manager. A lot of those
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  Speaker 6: retailers are already working on those plans.
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  Speaker 2: How do they feel about them?
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  Speaker 6: What's this another offering? I mean, it's good that consumers
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  Speaker 6: have choice, and certainly time of use plans offer the
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  Speaker 6: potential for householders to save money.
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  Speaker 1: On their bill.
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  Speaker 6: But I would stress that only some household you know,
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  Speaker 6: time of use plans clear are costing you more if
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  Speaker 6: you're not suited to them.
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  Speaker 2: But how again, do the gentailors feel about them? Because
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  Speaker 2: this is going to hit their margins?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it.
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  Speaker 6: You to talk to them about that? But yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: would say that that they wouldn't be happy about it.
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  Speaker 6: Being forced to offer things is not really in the
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  Speaker 6: spirit of a free market. You know, retailers will offer
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  Speaker 6: the plans that they think suit their customer's best. In
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  Speaker 6: some retailers off the time of use. Because the market
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  Speaker 6: segment they're seeking to serve you looking for that sort
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  Speaker 6: of plan, but other you know, households are looking for
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  Speaker 6: something different than that.
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  Speaker 2: Now to the solar thing, I mean the gent tailors
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  Speaker 2: are going to be required to give better deals to
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  Speaker 2: homes that sell power using solar batteries. But we heard
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  Speaker 2: yesterday there was a firm that went bust that makes
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  Speaker 2: the solar power. Another firm last year only three percent
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  Speaker 2: of New Zealand uses solar power compared to Australia in
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  Speaker 2: America where it's up to thirty to forty percent. So
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  Speaker 2: is this actually going to make a meaningful difference.
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  Speaker 6: It won't hurt, but I don't think it will make
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  Speaker 6: it any meaningful difference. You remember that that's only suitable
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  Speaker 6: for households that have batteries because the times at which
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  Speaker 6: you get paid higher rates of peak times, and that's
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  Speaker 6: when it's generally not shining. So only six of very
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  Speaker 6: small number of households, So only around three or four
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  Speaker 6: percent of households have solid it all in a much
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  Speaker 6: lesser number have batteries.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the second blake we've talked to from a consumer
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  Speaker 2: this week because of the open letter that got sign
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  Speaker 2: got printed in the paper saying the electricity sector is broken.
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  Speaker 2: So Paul, how do we fix it?
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  Speaker 6: That's really that's a really big question. We just need
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  Speaker 6: to get altricity prices down because people are really hurting
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  Speaker 6: and soler businesses and so the cost of ectricity has
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  Speaker 6: exceeds the cost of producing it by quite a considerable margin,
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  Speaker 6: and it indicates the market's broken. So in terms of
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  Speaker 6: fixing it, we just need more supply. The market is
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  Speaker 6: not delivering the amount of electricity we need to cover
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  Speaker 6: our growth and New Zealand's hydrology and things like that,
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  Speaker 6: so they need to be beare and census put into
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  Speaker 6: the market to make sure we're getting enough else to
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  Speaker 6: see new power stations being built.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 2: So, Paul, I thank you so much for getting up
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  Speaker 2: for us. And that is Paul Fuse who's from Consumed,
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  Speaker 2: New Zealand, and he is the power switch manager. It's
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  Speaker 2: eighteen minutes after five men. While speaking about power, Darth
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  Speaker 2: Vader's lightsaber is up for sale. It's going up for
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  Speaker 2: auction for the very first time. This is to celebrate
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  Speaker 2: the forty fifth anniversary of the Return of the Jedi. Sorry, no,
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  Speaker 2: the Empire strikes back. Gosh, that lightsaber, I'd want it.
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  Speaker 2: You know how much you're going to have to pay
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  Speaker 2: three million US six million bucks for a film prop lightsaber?
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  Speaker 2: It's yours if you want it. Five eighteen. I'm moving
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  Speaker 2: from Jedis to the Bible, the Quran and the Torrad.
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  Speaker 2: They're being burnt by the National Library. Why and should
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  Speaker 2: we be outraged that story?
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  Speaker 1: Next? Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Dickins and x fol Ination keeping Kiwi homes warm
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  Speaker 1: and dry this winter news talk said be so.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting a number of texts on ninety two ninety
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  Speaker 2: two saying is Judith Collins being rushed to hospital?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: She has. She was rushed to hospital last night. She
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  Speaker 2: will not be in Parliament today. She was taken to
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  Speaker 2: the hospital in an ambulance but has since returned home.
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  Speaker 2: And the problem a nasty bout of vertigo which happened
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  Speaker 2: on Tuesday night. You may remember Mike Hosking had a
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  Speaker 2: nasty about of vitigo. Yourself work for one day. She
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  Speaker 2: believes that flights over the weekend contributed to the sensation.
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  Speaker 2: So we wish her all the very best, but don't
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  Speaker 2: be worried. It is twenty one out five SIB. Multiple
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  Speaker 2: major religious texts will be shredded at the National Library.
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  Speaker 2: A number of books which include the Quran, the Bible
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  Speaker 2: and the Torah will be destroyed and then recycled and
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  Speaker 2: this is to save one million dollars a year in
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  Speaker 2: storage costs. Laura Marshall is the executive director of the
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  Speaker 2: Library and Information Association of New Zealand and joins you now,
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  Speaker 2: good morning to you, Laura, Good morning. There's a a
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  Speaker 2: few religious people around the place were a bit freaked
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  Speaker 2: out by this.
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  Speaker 7: It's standard religious policy at standard religious policy. Sorry, it's
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  Speaker 7: very early in the morning. It's standard collection policy. There'll
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  Speaker 7: be a policy on what's removed from collections. I don't
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  Speaker 7: know the policy of this particular place, but yeah, people
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  Speaker 7: just need to look into what is the collection policy,
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  Speaker 7: and it's a fairly standard collection management. All of these
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  Speaker 7: books are available at your local library and if people
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  Speaker 7: do want to read them, they can become members of
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  Speaker 7: their local library and they are available to read.
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  Speaker 2: So libraries always do culls because there's always news books
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  Speaker 2: and they end at full So how do libraries decide
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  Speaker 2: which books to stay in, which to go.
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  Speaker 7: It's very specific to their particular institute or the particular library.
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  Speaker 7: I used to be the library director of Odd and
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  Speaker 7: we had a collection management policy. If it was one
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  Speaker 7: of those best sellers, when people stopped lending it, we
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  Speaker 7: used to call the box and get rid of them.
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  Speaker 7: If we kept every book that was publish, we'd need
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  Speaker 7: a fifty story building, which is obviously not possible at all. However,
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  Speaker 7: in our heritage collection, same as the National Library, we
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  Speaker 7: would keep books of significance. We keep multi collections, we
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  Speaker 7: keep local history collections. So it comes down to what
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  Speaker 7: is significant for that community, for that institute, and what's
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  Speaker 7: it's mandate by usually its governing body, and what it
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  Speaker 7: should collect.
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  Speaker 2: Threading seems a little bit violent, doesn't it. I mean
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  Speaker 2: that book is gone. Is that standard? Why don't we
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  Speaker 2: have a very big Garrett sale?
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  Speaker 7: It is standard because you get to the point where
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  Speaker 7: nobody wants the books. I used to be a second
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  Speaker 7: hand bookseller for fifteen years and I have shredded so
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  Speaker 7: many books. It gets to a point where nobody wants
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  Speaker 7: to read it. It's times up and we need room
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  Speaker 7: for new books. Like I said, you need a fifty
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  Speaker 7: story building to put these to put these books in.
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  Speaker 7: So many times people would bring me the collections of
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  Speaker 7: their grandmar and say, oh, I don't want to throw
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  Speaker 7: these out, so I'm going to give these to you,
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  Speaker 7: and I'll be like, no, you have to throw them out.
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  Speaker 7: Why should I do it? It comes a point where books
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  Speaker 7: are not to be read, and this is just great
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  Speaker 7: collection policy. All of these books are available somewhere else
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  Speaker 7: as well, and.
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  Speaker 2: Some of these books haven't been checked out in twenty
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  Speaker 2: or thirty years. Should they have even been bought in
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  Speaker 2: the first place.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, you do have to test the market, and you
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  Speaker 7: must remember some of these books are very old, so yeah,
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  Speaker 7: testing the market is part of good collection policy and
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  Speaker 7: then making a sound decision as another. I believe with
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  Speaker 7: this particular collection, at least fifty thousand of the books
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  Speaker 7: were offered to other libraries and were taken up. So
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  Speaker 7: some of these have gone to other library collections. I
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  Speaker 7: believe another fifty thousand men to charity. And I can
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  Speaker 7: tell you, as an experienced bookseller who used to make
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  Speaker 7: money out of books, a lot of these books their
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  Speaker 7: time is up, unfortunately, and it's sad, but this is
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  Speaker 7: what we do to bring in new books. I think
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  Speaker 7: it is something like a million to two million books
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  Speaker 7: are published every year. Got to have room for these
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  Speaker 7: new collections. But be assured, libraries do keep those heritage books,
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  Speaker 7: those out of print, those rare books, those books that
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  Speaker 7: are really special to a particular community. This is their skill,
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  Speaker 7: this is what they're great GIRs.
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  Speaker 2: Staff Laura, I thank you so very very much. I
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  Speaker 2: don't need to take the Bible out from the from
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  Speaker 2: the library because I've got my family Bible which came
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  Speaker 2: out on a boat and arrived in New Zealand in
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  Speaker 2: eighteen forty three. Do you have a Bible like that?
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  Speaker 2: It is our five twenty five. It's News Talks hib
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  Speaker 2: the early.
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  Speaker 1: Edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio Power by News Talks.
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  Speaker 2: It be Newstalk's have b It is now five twenty seven,
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  Speaker 2: so the local government conference is underway and yesterday the
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  Speaker 2: government took advantage of it to talk down to councils
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  Speaker 2: like a step dad telling off their step son. They've
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  Speaker 2: been told to rain and wasteful spending to keep their
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  Speaker 2: rates increases down. Now you know a bit of irony.
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  Speaker 2: There would be good if the government that is currently
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  Speaker 2: spending more than any other also practice what they preach.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, the government is now talking about bringing in
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  Speaker 2: rate caps. Sounds good, simple idea we can all understand.
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  Speaker 2: But would it work. The fact is the idea is
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  Speaker 2: in place in Australia. Melbourne and Sydney have rate caps,
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  Speaker 2: but individual councils can apply for exemptions. In Melbourne that
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  Speaker 2: meant that some councils imposed ten percent rates, so it
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  Speaker 2: didn't work there. But they do not have rate caps
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  Speaker 2: in Brisbane, and Brisbane has the lowest rate increases in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: So why is that successive councils have kept the debt low.
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  Speaker 2: They've had smart, long term plans with cross party support,
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  Speaker 2: so that's one thing. They have a Suburb's First policy,
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  Speaker 2: so that improvements are made where people actually live. Eighty
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  Speaker 2: five percent of their budgets spent on this. It's cheaper
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  Speaker 2: than grand CBD projects. And they like public transport. A
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  Speaker 2: record two hundred and ten million dollars is being spent
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  Speaker 2: this year on it, which is a lot cheaper they
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  Speaker 2: say than building roads roads roads. But of course here
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  Speaker 2: public transport or alternative transport options are the first to
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  Speaker 2: be cut in hard times. We hate it, cyc Away
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  Speaker 2: and because of their resident friend. The suburban centric approach
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  Speaker 2: combined with a fiscal prudence, they have some regal room.
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  Speaker 2: Senior citizens in Brisbane get the most generous rebates in
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  Speaker 2: the country, cutting their rates in half, and then Brisbane
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  Speaker 2: can pursue some big stuff. They're going for the Olympics,
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  Speaker 2: but here they show some balls as well, canning the
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  Speaker 2: redevelopment of the Gabba because the business case didn't measure up.
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  Speaker 2: Rate caps are good slogan policy. It sounds like a
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  Speaker 2: simple answer to a complex situation, but they didn't work
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney and Melbourne. In fact, they're suffering from what's
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  Speaker 2: called rates catch up. If you defer projects, then eventually
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: you're going to have to do them and someone's going
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: to pay for them fung. I know we will find
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: that out when the Opera House will eventually have to
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: have millions spent on it to fix it up. They've
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: deferred that. The reason we're in the hole is because
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: of false promises of low rates by previous mayors and
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: councils that has resulted in a rates catch up. Wellington
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Water Does that sound familiar to you? That's exactly what
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: happened there. We don't actually need rate caps. But what
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: we really need is sensible, long term, fiscally prudent governance.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Look for that next election. But it's as rare as
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: a unicorns that be Andrew, couldn't these books be offered
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: to the public before being destroyed? Well, I think you'll
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: find if you got down to your library, there's always
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: a tray out the front that says books for sale
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: one buck, So you know, go there and buy some books.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: But then again you end out with your library too full,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: and then you have to start reading books. So there
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: we go. So on the way, Oh, there is a
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: socialist who's running for the mayoralty of New York and
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: he's freaking the Republicans out. Mitch mccambill. Have that story
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: and the end of open classrooms. We'll talk to a
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: principle who I think is very happy about that.
• 17:29
  Speaker 8: Let the past be the pastor.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: It's Waverous on your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and X Full Insulation Keeping Keey
• 17:43
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• 17:52
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program for this Thursday. I'm Andrew Dickins.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I'm here till six and I'm here tomorrow, but then
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Ryan's back next week. This is mister Benson boom, amazing voice.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: You know the guy. He's the guy likes to do
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: backflips on stage and he wears revealing jumpsuits. Anyway, that's Benson.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Oh look, I made mine has just arrived at Manchester
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: and he reports to me on Facebook that the town
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: is absolutely going off. Oasis are playing five concerts there
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: over five nights, and he says there's a lot of
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: angry young men and bucket hats. Most are drunk and
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: it's only one pm. Good times. Harry Potter actress Emma
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Watson has been banned from driving for six months after
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: she was caught speeding in her Audi S three. So
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: in addition to the licensed suspension, she was also fined
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: one thousand quid. It's Watson's fourth driving offence in less
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: than two years. Seems to me she should stick to
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: riding broomsticks. Cars are for muggles. And by the way,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: the New Harry Potter, a TV series, has just started filming.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, Shock and Horror, far from the Left being
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: down and out New York has a young socialist contesting
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the new York Mayoralty for the Democrats, and his name
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: is Zoran Mandarmi. I'll try that again, Zordan Mamdani. And
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: today he's visiting Democrats in Washington and the Republicans are
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: freaking out. This is the cat amongst the pigeons. They're
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: all a bit of a tiz Wars. They're all calling
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: him a Marxist. So he's got ideas like adding a
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: two percent tax onto everyone earning one million dollars more.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: He wants to raise the minimum wage, and he wants
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: to start city owned grocery stores to attack the cost
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: of living crisis. We're going to find out more about
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Zordan Mamdani in about five minutes time with Mitch McCann.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: It's twenty two to six, Zidby. It's time to go
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: right around the country and Callum Brocton joins us from
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Duned and Commodity.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Of Callum Morning Andrew.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: So you've got a new list of homes and buildings
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that are in line for heritage protection.
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: Here we have this, let's just revealed the sporting by
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  Speaker 9: the City Care here. More than one hundred homes in
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: fact in line for heritage protection. Now changes these changes
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: were made to the city's district Plan, giving these properties
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: greater protection from demolition and modification without consent. Following a
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: public hearing back in May, the panels decided to remove
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: seventeen properties from the original list of one hundred and
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: forty six which we're proposed for protection. They include several
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: churches around Dunedin and a suburban fire station as well.
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: They say they want to allow room for reuse and
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: development without threatening the heritage fabric of the city. Not
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: everyone will be happy, of course, with this decision. Appeals
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: can be made to the Environment Court.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: How's your weather fine?
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Areas of frost the heights today?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Eleven to Claire herewod in Christiage. Goodbody, Dear Claire, good morning.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: What should we talk about today? I know the christ
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Church Hospital or car park again what.
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  Speaker 10: A surprise look Christchurch City Council is yesterday unanimously agreed
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: that we should investigate this idea of allowing the car
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: parking of hospital staff on the site of the particured
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: a sports and recreation center. There are five hundred car
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: parks there and this would specifically benefit workers who are
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: on night shift. Now counselors did vote yes and support
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: of film Major's proposal. They heard various stories about how
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: bad it is for christ Church Hospital staff, including some nurses,
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: like an ed nurse that film Major has spoken to,
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: who actually purchased an e scooter to have in their
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: boot so they could transfer between the car and the hospital,
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: knowing that it would be faster on an e scooter
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: to get away from anyone who may be chasing them.
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: Now it is worth noting, though, that despite this unanimous
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: vote and support of the investigation, some counselors are still
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: sitting there questioning whether this is Council's role to provide
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: the parking for hospital staff or if that should be
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: something that Health end Z should.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Solely sort Now, how's your weather?
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: Cloudy Period's a bit of frost about today as well,
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: northeasterlies and a high of eleven.
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  Speaker 2: Max told joins us now from Wellington, I hope you're
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: in a better mood than yesterday.
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: Max, never in a better mood.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Very good.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: You've got a central Polytech campus closing.
• 21:59
  Speaker 11: This is Fittaday and well Tech's CBD campus is a
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: part of the government's long signaled announcement on what Polytech's
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: are to stand alone to return to regional governments. These
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: are two of the four that will continue operating for
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: now under TEPU, King Fitta Day and Well Tech. It
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: will mean the loss of forty eight jobs. It also
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: means the closure of the Tekahui Oaha Campus, which is
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: a creative hub that hosts a lot of external events gigs,
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: a smaller venue that can be used for music, comedy
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: during the comedy festival, Fringe Festival, theater as well. Unfortunately
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: it never quite quite got going this to Aha campus.
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: It was meant for one thousand students who never got
• 22:40
  Speaker 11: to one thousand students. But a lot of artsy people
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: in the capitol not happy about losing this venue. All right,
• 22:46
  Speaker 11: how's you with the cloudy periods with a bit of drizzle?
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: Later thirteen the high.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: And who or can we go?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Neither?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Read to Manda, good morning to you. You can need
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: to turn your microphone on. Go try again, Abe there
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you were there? Yes, thank good, very good stuff. We're
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: all broken hearted about the three people who died in
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: White Uku, a mum, a daughter and a nie. And
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: you've got more details about the fact.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, Francis Ceci Latuvailea. Now she died with her daughter
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: on the Ahi niece Mali to law. This is when
• 23:15
  Speaker 12: their car plunged into a creek. Happened on Tuesday. Ministry
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: of Justice Chief Executive Andrew kibble White says Latuvavier was
• 23:22
  Speaker 12: a court registry officer for the Family Court and she
• 23:25
  Speaker 12: worked across many Auckland locations. He also says that this
• 23:29
  Speaker 12: tragedy will have a huge impact on many people and
• 23:32
  Speaker 12: deepest condolences with her immediate and extended family.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I thank you so much, Neva. How's Orkin's weather?
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Rain?
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: Heavy falls turn into showers this morning, possibly heavy until evening.
• 23:41
  Speaker 12: Fifteen is the high here in Auckland.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: It is now eighteen minutes to six. Donald Trump, he's
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: getting it from the world, but he's also getting it
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: from his mega supporters. They got problems with the fact
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that he's now getting involved in world conflicts, and they've
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: got big problems about Epstein. So we'll talk about this
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and this new socialist New York mayor hopeful who's headed
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to DC with Mitch McCann, who's next here on news tools.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: There be international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: of mind for New Zealand business.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: It is now a quarter to six and we go
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: to the United States of America and Mitch McCann, Good morning,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: m Good morning Andrew.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: How are you.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I'm good to Donald Trump and the MAGA people are
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: starting to fall out a little bit, yeah, big time.
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: For many of Donald Trump's base his supporters, this has
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: been a major issue Jeffrey Epstein and the Epstein files.
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: They want flight logs, client lists, and any documents that
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: might expose the truth behind what conspiracy theorists have called
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: this major pedophile ring. Now, Donald Trump and his Attorney
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: General have suggested in recent months that they would release
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: these files and expose the truth. The Attorney General even
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: seid in recent weeks that the documents were on her
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: desk ready for review.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: But there's one big problem here.
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: Last week are the Justice Departments said there was no
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: further disclosure needed or warranted of these doc image was
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: just has sent a huge blowback from Donald Trump's base.
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: Some Republicans even have asked for these documents to be released.
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: The House Speaker thinks they should be released, but Donald
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: Trump says he doesn't know why everyone's so obsessed with
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: this story, and he's told people to get over it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: But the more he pushes back the more unhappy his
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: bases about these Epstein files not being released.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: And is it affecting his popularity. I mean, you guys
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: don't really do polls here.
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: Well, if there is some concern that much of his
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: base will be put off Donald Trump by this. Of
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: course they have supported him through everything, but one of
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: the things he talked about on the campaign was releasing
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: these Epstein files. Now, one of the interesting points he
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: andrew is that Donald Trump has made a lot of
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: friends in the podcast industry, and a lot of these
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: podcasters who he supported, who invited to the White House,
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: have started raising questions to their millions of followers about
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: what's going on here. So there is the possibility he
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: may lose some support from the base.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Now it's not mister Smith goes to Washington and Zoran
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Mamdami to Washington, the front runner to become the mayor
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: of New York. To tell me the story of his visit.
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's there today to convince national Democrats that they
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: should endorse him and support him. Now, this is becoming
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: a big international story, not just here in the US.
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: There are billions of dollars involved, and it's becoming I
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: guess rather disturbing the level of vitriol that Mamdani is
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: facing from opponents. Now, one of the problems he has
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: is convincing the New York business community he is serious
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: and he's not going to damage them because he has
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: policies like taxing anyone that earns over a million dollars
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: or two percent tax. He wants to raise the minimum wage,
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: he wants to create city owned grocery stores. So a
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: lot of business leaders have been pushing back, and now
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: he's headed to Washington to convince them that he's in fact.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: The real deal. Mitch mcam I thank you so much
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: for your time today. This is news Talks here b
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Frantz Wois Bayleu and France has done something
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: quite interesting. He wants to reduce the number of public
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: holidays in France as part of a bit to tackle
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: what he calls the curse of his country's debt. He's
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: doing his budget proposals. He says two out of France's
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: eleven national holidays could go, suggesting Easter Monday and May eighth,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: that's the day that commemorates the end of World War two.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: So if they did that, they would bring France into
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: line with Germany. They have nine national holidays. France is
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: proposing eight, Italy is at twelve. By the way, we
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: have eleven. Do we have too many public holidays?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Up to you?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Twelve to six used dogs d be Now The government's
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: ditching open planned classrooms, much to the relief of many
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: teachers and kids and parents. Many schools have already spent
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: thousands to revert back to single cell rooms. The Education
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Minister Erica Stamford reckons the big open spaces have had
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: a negative effect on kids learning. New classrooms will be
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: built using standard designs, just like classrooms have always been
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: in the past, and will allow for flexibility when needed.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: That's called a sliding door. Linda Stewart is a principal
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: at Mayroe Primary in West Auckland and joins me. Now, hello, Linda,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Morena Andrew. Do you like open classrooms or dar not?
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Well, it's funny that you should ask me that, because
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: today I have the pleasure of hosting people through our
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: innovative learning environment. It's one year since we moved into
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: our new classroom and we.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Love it and it's open.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: So it's really complex, isn't it. This whole issue because
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: people talk about open classrooms, and I've heard people talking
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: about barns Ours is an innovative learning environment with a
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: purposeful design for children's learning. We took teachers and the
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: community and our children on a journey over at least
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: two years to really design a classrooms that were really
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: fit for purpose and future focused. So when we talk
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: about just putting sliding doors into an area, that is
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: not what teaching and learning is all about. And I
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: think that we're getting into a conversation that is being
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: very binary around this, around do you like them or
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: don't you like them? Actually, the number one factor that
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: affects children's learning is the quality of the teaching that
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: goes on in the classroom. Where you've thought about those
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: children who have neurodiversity, who need the space to move,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: where you've thought about all of those different things that
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: children will need, and you've had your children in mind,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: and you've designed a learning environment for them. It works well,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: And that's what we see. Intentional design has worked well
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: for our children. Yes, we can close off areas if
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: we need to or not.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Well, what's the trick?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Then?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: What is the trick? Because I've had kids in open
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: classroom and they've said it as noisy as all hell, you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: and we've had many, many reports about this. It can
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: be very, very distracting and very hard for a teacher
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: to command the attention of twenty kids when there's another
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: sixty kids who are doing something completely different right next door.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: So what's your trick.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: The trick is the intentional design where you think about
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: actually the activities that children take part in during the day. Yes,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: if you put children together and you haven't had that thinking,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: and you haven't had worked with your teachers around the
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: effect of pedagogy, then it can be It can be tricky.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: But in our.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Give me a specific for instance, the spill of noise
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: from teaching cells, from one teaching cell to another. How
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: do you mitigate that in an open classroom at Mays Road.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: So if you were to come into our classroom, you
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: wouldn't hear a lot of noise at all. What you
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: would see is you would see children who are purposely
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: engaged in their learning. You would see teachers and learning
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: assistance working alongside children in different parts of the building.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: You would see some children involved in workshopping with a teacher.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: You would see other children involved in independent activities. You
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: might see a child who is working to the side
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: with a learning assistant because that's what they need.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: How much how much did you with a new classroom cost?
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's not one classroom. It was fifteen classrooms, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I think it was around twelve million. I'm something around that.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Would it have been cheaper to make twelve single cells well.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: With the work that we have done before, I don't know.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure about that, Andrew. I think that the
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: real question is what is the pedagogical practice that is
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: happening in our classrooms. That's the difference for kids. And
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: this conversation takes us away from some of the real
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: issues that I think of education at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Linda Stewart, thank you so much for fighting your corner.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: We're going to have to go, and I thank you
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: for your time today. And I have to go and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: look up what pedagogical means, views.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: And views you trust to start your day. It's earlier
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: this ship with Andrew Dickins at expol Insulation keeping Kiwi
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Holmes warm and dry. This winter news talk said.
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  Speaker 5: Be all right.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I looked up pedagogical, pedagog pedagogical. I looked up pedagogical
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: it comes from Greek. It comes from a Greek word
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that means teachers. What it means is teaching. So Linda
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Stewart just actually said teaching to us the whole time.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: But anytime she said it, she said pedagogical, which is well,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: isn't that part of the problem? Sometimes simple is good?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: And you people do not like her use of pedagogical
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: pedagogical journeys. This woman said holy teaching. Smoke, says John,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: that teaches part of the problem. That woman is a
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: matter of the white clan, and that woman is fundamentally
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: what's wrong with education in this country.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: There was gold on.
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  Speaker 13: Though, hold on though, to be fair to Heather by
• 33:04
  Speaker 13: the way to be fair? Aren't there different ways of teaching?
• 33:07
  Speaker 13: And pedagogical is just one type of teaching.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know like there are.
• 33:13
  Speaker 13: I'm not entirely sure of the definitions, but I feel
• 33:15
  Speaker 13: like one style of teaching is where the child teaches themselves,
• 33:18
  Speaker 13: another one where the teacher.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Teach is pedagogy. Pedagogy and education refers to the theory
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: and practice of teaching, encompassing the method, strategies, and approaches
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: educators used to facilitate the learning. So what she was
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: talking about was the theory and the idea of the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: open classroom as opposed to it. And I kept on
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: asking her how, what is a specific way that you
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: mitigate the noise spill? How do you She didn't answer
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: that you can't. She talked to me about pedagogy.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Can I can?
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  Speaker 13: I just say that my mind is blown by people
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  Speaker 13: who do the opposite of what we have been doing
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  Speaker 13: for thousands of years.
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  Speaker 9: Right?
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  Speaker 13: We all know that if you stick a cat in
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  Speaker 13: a noisy place with lots of distraction, that they're going
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  Speaker 13: to be distracted and not learned.
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  Speaker 9: Why do we do the opposite?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Music's play? What are you doing today?
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  Speaker 13: We're going to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? A lot of that? What fun?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Never do for seeing Alan, I'm Andrew Dickinson back again tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Have yourself a wonderful day.
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