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Dog Days of Summer · Crosstabs

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  SPEAKER_02: Cleared to engage.
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  SPEAKER_02: Time on target.
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  SPEAKER_02: Five mics.
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  SPEAKER_02: Out.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Crosstabs with Reagan Kiddop and Bryan Iverson coming to you live
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  SPEAKER_02: from not the Eastern Oregon Economic Summit where all the cool people are at.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bryan and I are in our offices, which
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  SPEAKER_01: is cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I bet the people out there are having a lot of fun.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today is tour day.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think there's several different tours that are many, many hours long.
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  SPEAKER_02: They started at 8 a.m. local time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Got to remember this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mountain time is what the time they're on.
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  SPEAKER_02: So everything's an hour ahead of wherever you're at in Pacific,
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  SPEAKER_02: which I would guess 99.9% of our listeners are in the Pacific time zone.
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  SPEAKER_02: But maybe I'm wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's one or few in Iowa that listen to us, I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I picked up a few listeners for us.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying, Reagan.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to get some, but I am glad I'm not on a tour.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think Vicki had to be up at 6 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_01: Of course,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, she can always text me at 6 a.m. because I'm always up at 6 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's usually never a problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she thinks it's fun when she gets up early and then she has to let me know
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  SPEAKER_01: that she got up early.
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  SPEAKER_02: Listen, I get up at 6 a.m., but I'm not usually up by 6 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_02: It takes me a few minutes to roll out of bed and get the coffee going.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I thought about doing, Bryan?
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  SPEAKER_02: Putting a current right next to my bed so I can just start the coffee.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I feel like the coffee forces me downstairs, and that's probably a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a little much, I think.
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  SPEAKER_01: I usually make the coffee the night before,
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  SPEAKER_01: like not made, so all I got to do is hit the button, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then sometimes I'll have like a leftover cup from the day before,
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  SPEAKER_01: so I'll heat that up in the microwave.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's disgusting, Bryan.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I am notorious for leaving my coffee in the microwave,
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  SPEAKER_02: but if it's not the same day's coffee, it's gone.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not drinking that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yesterday's coffee, terrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: Vicky gives me shit for that too, but I don't really find it to be that big of a thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: That can't taste good, Bryan.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's not good.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a bad thing to learn.
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  SPEAKER_02: I guess you're not perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, listen, Reagan, I can't be perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: But however,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know what is disgusting is that Keurig stuff is usually when they – you know
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  SPEAKER_01: when you go to hotels?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know what the worst is?
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  SPEAKER_01: Nobody really drinks decaf.
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  SPEAKER_01: What is that, like 10% of the market maybe?
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  SPEAKER_02: I can't even imagine who's drinking
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  SPEAKER_01: that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they always do those Keurigs at the hotels,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they always put like two decaf and two caffeinated ones in there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it drives me crazy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, who is you drinking the decaf?
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  SPEAKER_01: And the worst is sometimes there'll be like three decaf and like one regular
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  SPEAKER_01: and we won't catch up.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in the morning,
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  SPEAKER_01: like if we get up and then I make that,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, because I'm always up first and then there's only three decafs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Guess he's going down to the lobby.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you got two people per room if you only put two,
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  SPEAKER_02: like if you've got two people in a room and you only put two of the Kurgs,
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  SPEAKER_02: that's only one day's worth of coffee.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just that's now I know the Keurigs definitely makes sense if you're from a hotel.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like doing actual coffee is kind of dumb, but I think that there is a better way of doing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think some of the hotels are trying to figure it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think you're almost best not even putting coffee in the room.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that if you had a really good coffee downstairs.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can throw my shorts on and my flip flops right and go down.
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  SPEAKER_01: If I knew there was good coffee in the lobby,
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  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't worry about there being a Keurig in my hotel.
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  SPEAKER_01: True.
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  SPEAKER_01: But they usually,
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  SPEAKER_01: but usually it seems like they don't have bowls, but just pet peeve on coffee hotel.
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  SPEAKER_02: Listen, if you're staying in a hotel, coffee is the next most important thing to figure out.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they should have it if they haven't figured out for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who's in hotels these days?
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  SPEAKER_01: I bet Drazen's probably doing a lot of hotels these days.
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  SPEAKER_01: We should ask her.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, funny story.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just got the email from Ashley.
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  SPEAKER_02: Shout out to Ashley, friend of the pod.
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  SPEAKER_02: Media advisory for Drazen to announce the Drazen plan.
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  SPEAKER_02: That'll happen Tuesday at 1115.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exact location provided upon RSVP.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, I have seen some of this.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think if you go to the Drazen plan dot com,
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  SPEAKER_02: which is running in one of our advertisements I saw on streaming,
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  SPEAKER_02: that some of it is on there.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I saw a clip not that long ago about Drazen talking about data centers.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was doing that on Coin, I think, maybe.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Coin.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: What did you think of that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Did you watch that?
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  SPEAKER_02: I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: One, I think her approach is pretty interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think she's...
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  SPEAKER_01: She's probably well-versed on data centers now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Over the last month or two, so I won't say that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's never been a space in which she's worked in in the legislature.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not really been a space anybody in the legislature has worked in,
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  SPEAKER_01: to be honest, and to be fair to Kotick and, I think, Grayson.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I did like her answer in regards to where...
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: now all of a sudden this is a problem when we've had data centers in the state
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  SPEAKER_01: of Oregon since, you know, I mean, Facebook opened in 2012.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: Google's been there in the DAOs for what,
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  SPEAKER_01: since early, geez, like 2006, 2007, somewhere in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: They started there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did you really just say 6-7, Bryan?
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  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
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  SPEAKER_02: You got to be smarter than that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can't let that stuff slip through.
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  SPEAKER_02: The 6-7 is everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is funny.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, somewhere in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that she made a good point of laying the facts down,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is that she's correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: We probably do have our overshare of data centers in Oregon relative to,
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  SPEAKER_01: say, other states, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know if there's really an argument to be made for fair share for this or
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  SPEAKER_01: that, but I think the reality for data centers, it's all about location.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not really about, you know, it's like a...
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  SPEAKER_01: Arguing about where a camp, where an RV park should go, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because nobody wants the RV park next to their house.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's like a data center.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nobody really wants the data center in their town.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, some towns actually don't mind it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think some towns actually have done really well with data centers next to them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And some towns are going to embrace that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you can't as a state just say, no data centers, period.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think Lakeview would love to have a data center.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think they would jump up and down to have a data center in Lakeview.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think...
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of communities.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was in Arlington and Arlington is getting a
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  SPEAKER_00: data center and they were excited
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  SPEAKER_00: and nothing has changed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Arlington has had the same 600 people living there since the 600 people moved there
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  SPEAKER_01: and be in the dump for Portland.
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  SPEAKER_01: They have no other industry.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the idea that they can have in the data center that works for Arlington is coming
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  SPEAKER_00: because there's so much wind power and solar power that has been developed right up
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  SPEAKER_00: on top of the hill from Arlington.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now all those power lines are going right past where a data center would be.
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  SPEAKER_00: Isn't this what the Democrats have wanted?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is renewable energy and data centers are the ones using it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, and I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: this gets back to the whole thing,
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  SPEAKER_02: which is that Data centers, I think, is really just a proxy fight.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not actually about the data centers.
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  SPEAKER_02: Data centers are the boogeyman that people are blaming for high electricity bills.
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  SPEAKER_02: If their electricity bills were low, I don't think data centers would be taking the hit.
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  SPEAKER_02: High property taxes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again, most people don't know how property taxes work.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in Oregon, they're especially complicated.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think in most cases...
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  SPEAKER_02: That a data center is actually costing you money on your property taxes.
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  SPEAKER_02: They may not pay as high a rate as they're supposed to if they get a break,
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  SPEAKER_02: but that doesn't mean they're increasing your property taxes.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think people are playing fast and loose.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so it's this idea of, well,
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  SPEAKER_02: my property tax bill is high and my power bill is high and I'm hearing a lot
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  SPEAKER_02: about drought and I would like to blame somebody.
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  SPEAKER_02: And instead of blaming bad policy for years in the state of Oregon,
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  SPEAKER_02: that's increased the cost of energy,
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  SPEAKER_02: has not allowed us to conserve and access water and has continued to Push higher
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  SPEAKER_02: and higher taxes,
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  SPEAKER_02: whether it's property or different areas that instead of blaming the years and years
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  SPEAKER_02: of voting Democrat, we're going to blame data centers.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's happening all over the country is is with different policies
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  SPEAKER_02: that have maybe increased right cost of living.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's kind of the biggest one that we're hearing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Democrats are running on cost of living because there's a Republican in the White House.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if there was a Democrat in the White House, Republicans would be running on cost of living.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's just how the world works.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so he's bouncing and seeing all of this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And most Oregonians,
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  SPEAKER_02: most Americans are just saying something costs more and I don't know anything about
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  SPEAKER_02: the war in Iran or whatever else or the tariffs or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he's making moves to try to make to set America up for different things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And short term pain, long term gain is guessing what his strategy is going to be right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: The short term pain.
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  SPEAKER_02: Losing in the midterms would be some short-term pain.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if he makes long-term gains, maybe that's stuff Republicans can run on in a few years too.
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  SPEAKER_02: We'll see.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did like,
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  SPEAKER_01: Senator Drazen is correct, though,
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  SPEAKER_01: when she does lay this,
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  SPEAKER_01: this is another one of those things that you can lay at the feet of,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: Kotech and Democrats in Oregon,
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  SPEAKER_01: because they've been in charge for the last 15 years since we've had data centers,
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  SPEAKER_01: and they haven't piped up once in regards to data centers until all of
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  SPEAKER_01: a sudden it's politically expedient for them to be anti-data centers.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's a very fair argument.
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  SPEAKER_01: Argument to make against,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: Democrat supermajorities,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: in Oregon is like, oh,
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  SPEAKER_01: now you care about data centers after people in Hillsborough threw out a Democrat
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  SPEAKER_01: for because they're somebody running on an anti Democrat or
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  SPEAKER_01: an anti data center platform and Hillsborough's gone,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, to the crazy end of the pool and you don't want to be next.
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  SPEAKER_01: So therefore,
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  SPEAKER_01: now you're anti data center when you guys were all for data centers
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  SPEAKER_01: when it was Intel coming in and Creating jobs and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, adding to the Democrat coffers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that's a fair argument for her to make.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just didn't,
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  SPEAKER_01: and maybe I'm wrong,
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  SPEAKER_01: but did you in that argument with,
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't really hear where she, is she for or against debt centers?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I didn't really get an exact,
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  SPEAKER_01: I just kind of heard her laying out the groundwork,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I didn't hear her say that she would put a moratorium or not on that.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, I think she she did say something about and I couldn't tell
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  SPEAKER_02: if it was eliminate tax breaks or reduce them for data centers.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think I don't think we have specific tax breaks for data centers in Oregon law.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: We have tax breaks that are.
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  SPEAKER_02: In certain zones and they're all they count for all kinds of industrial projects.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so if you bring basically what they are is incentives.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: If you bring a big company, local government has the ability to slash that tax bill.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not the state level.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's all local.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the local government can say we're going to forego some of this property tax revenue.
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  SPEAKER_02: We can take a one time payment.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: We can do other community benefit agreements.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: We're hearing a lot about those CBAs.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've started finally.
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  SPEAKER_02: Finally,
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  SPEAKER_02: to see ads about pro data center ads
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  SPEAKER_00: interspersed between Drazen and Kotec ads
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  SPEAKER_00: and Bynum ads.
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  SPEAKER_02: But they're bringing out that there's benefits that they can bring.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_02: And you see all over the country, you can read about these big data centers.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're signing deals with local governments to pay people's property taxes
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: or reduce their property taxes, reduce their power bills, all these things.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: That makes it... And by the way, data centers are not...
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  SPEAKER_02: Industrial in the sense like they're manufacturing where they output negative stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like one of the cleanest types of industry.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: You could have a data center literally so close to your house and not even ever know it.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's so many people that are anti-data center in all over the country
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  SPEAKER_02: that live near a data center and they don't even know it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because it looks like an Amazon facility.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or have for so long.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now all of a sudden they know, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And now they pretend.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's ultimately, I think, obviously, again, a lot of confusion.
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  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't see her grab hold of the issue, just as I haven't seen Kotech grab hold of the issue.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're trying to slowly move themselves forward,
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  SPEAKER_02: but no one wants to grab the rail because it might be a lightning rod.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: I would agree.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're both dancing around it a little bit,
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  SPEAKER_01: but they also don't want to give up on business, right?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that...
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: And what you're talking about is economic development.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: So in the world of economic development, you have like a long-term enterprise zone.
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  SPEAKER_01: And these are, of course, yes, local decisions, however, given to them by the ORS.
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  SPEAKER_01: By the state, true.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: So you have a short-term enterprise zone that you can create for somebody,
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: which is usually three to five years.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: And you have the long-term rural enterprise zone, which also was designed...
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: So rural communities could recover from the logging that Portland Democrats killed us on.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, by the way,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then now look at it,
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  SPEAKER_01: Portland Democrats again trying to take away data centers when,
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: oh, that's right, when rural economies are starting to do good again.
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  SPEAKER_02: And by the way,
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  SPEAKER_02: every session they try to roll back or eliminate these tax breaks
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  SPEAKER_02: because they hate corporate welfare.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, the thing that always trips them up is,
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  SPEAKER_02: of course, you say, well, we're giving tax breaks to big corporations.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: You don't know if that corporation made their determination to come based
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  SPEAKER_02: that property tax break.
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  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of them do because that helps a ton because it's a long-term fixed cost
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  SPEAKER_02: that they can now control.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when a lot of times they say they would have come here anyway,
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  SPEAKER_02: because the quality of life is so amazing.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like,
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: I hate to break it to you because all these companies also locate in places
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  SPEAKER_02: that you do not think are amazing, like Ohio or wherever.
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  SPEAKER_02: They usually choose red states that are they say are bad places to live.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Those projects came because of those tax breaks.
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  SPEAKER_02: So once you eliminate those, those projects stop showing up and it's going to hurt more.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the thing I don't want to see happen,
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  SPEAKER_02: again, as I've said, so Tom Tiffany is the Wisconsin governor candidate.
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  SPEAKER_02: He said end tax breaks for data centers.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I don't know if,
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: again, it's the same situation as Oregon, where do they have special ones?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: Does he just want to eliminate it so they can't get any special tax treatment at all?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: He's running in a blue state.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_02: Mike Rogers, he said he backs a one-year moratorium.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: His Democrat opponent does not back a moratorium, which I think is interesting again.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: Even though he is kind of a socialist candidate and the moratoriums,
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: I want to be totally transparent.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: I am aware the moratorium push is coming from the DSA people.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Now they're pushing two years.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: They're pushing three years.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: They're pushing five years.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: Those are all too long.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: And again,
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even still think the one year is a good idea,
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: but we're going to see now,
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: is that a make or break difference for Rogers in Michigan?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to see as the election unfolds,
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: if Kotech and Dresden go more extreme in their positions to try to win.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Kotech's already, Making extreme overtures to that side just recently, in fact.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because I think, yeah, you're right.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: It will be curious to see.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: And you were right to say that it was only a matter of time for
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: a Republican came out for the one year.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: So good prediction.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: You're way better at it.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I think it's bad policy.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't want to be excited about it.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: But in places where winning is the most important thing,
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: You don't get to govern as a Republican if you lose.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: So you have to win.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I think, again,
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: like you talked about,
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: it is a political expedient play to try to latch on to it,
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: but it's also responsiveness to vote.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: And the question is always,
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: are we governing for the better good or are we governing based
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: on what our constituents think?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because sometimes our constituents have an opinion that we disagree with, right?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: And that's always the choice.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm not necessarily, again, saying this is all good.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think it is bad.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: It hurts rural Oregon when we can't have data centers.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: But- Does it allow her to win and do a lot more good even if the moratorium ends up being bad?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: And by the way, you can't executive order.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: Both Kotech and Drazen have said you can't executive order a ban.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: There's no power to do that.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it has to be legislative.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: They shouldn't have the ability to ban one specific industry from siting in Oregon.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: You could just say,
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know what,
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: I no longer want shoe companies in Oregon, so I'm just going to executive order it.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Let's put a moratorium on clothing companies.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: You can't do that.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: There needs to be the debate.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: But going after one industry, I think, is silly because you don't have the evidence.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: I believe it's fine to look at the transparency of data centers.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: But the reality is if I'm a welding company and I'm bringing jobs to
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: a rural community,
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: I should have the same ability to get those tax breaks that the data centers do.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: And they do today.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: They do.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a low bar for a reason.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: The whole point of saying if you create 35 jobs or whatever,
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to give you this incentive,
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: but make no mistake,
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: like when a company comes into Oregon and they say,
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to buy 100 acres of industrial land that the county owns,
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: doesn't matter what county, let's just say they own it.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: right now the county is paying nothing in property taxes and they get the sell of
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: that industrial land.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: So they sell that, which is a nice hit to the coffers.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then that company...
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Sites on that 100 acres.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no matter what, they always have to pay property taxes on the land.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: The only discount they're getting is on the building and then the equipment inside the building.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Those are the only two things that you can get an enterprise zone exemption on.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: You always have to pay property taxes on the land.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: So now buildings are usually the stuff that costs a lot.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so with the buildings,
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: you can get a long term,
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: which is what they take, like what Meta did here in Prineville.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: So they got a 15 year exemption on building one.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: There's 11 buildings.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: Building one drops onto the tax rules for the first time in January,
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: 2027, which will double our property taxes in Prineville.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Double receipts.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't double what you're paying.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: It doubles what Crook is making from property taxes.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's huge.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now imagine basically almost about every year for the next 10 years another building drops on.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: As it comes off the 15-year long-term.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then all the material inside,
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: all the servers and everything are using on a three or
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: a five-year rolling enterprise zone exemption.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because of the equipment that's in there.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: So you're creating all this sort of stuff.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: Meta has self-annexed the park district into there.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: So they self-annexed themselves into the Crook County Park District.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: So they'll pay the park district fees and everything,
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: which will allow the park district to basically be sustainable for as long
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: as there's
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: data centers.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Meta's been really good about that.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Apple hasn't been really good about that as far as self-annexing and doing certain things.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Apple's like
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: it's just another location.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think Apple's way more of a longer term down the corporate food chain as far as it goes.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: But they follow the letter of the law.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I think the biggest thing with data centers that we got to do from
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: a legislative standpoint
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: is to say, okay,
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to have a data center in your community,
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: that's fine,
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: but here's the parameters
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: we want to make sure that we're attaining, right?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: No secrecy, make sure that there's, you know, and I think the legislature can do that.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like we want a water dashboard.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: We want to make sure that you're using We're using the best technology in which
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: to save as much water for the community as possible.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're not, you need to be transparent about that water you're using.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: You need to be transparent about the number of jobs you're creating.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: You got to be transparent about the amount of power you're using.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think transparency is kind of the key to everything.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: I do worry about the water dashboard specifically because there's lots of attempts
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: to clamp down on ag and other types of water users.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: And so if they force them all to use the dashboard too,
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think that could create, but I see the point.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: The city has it now, Reagan.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they do.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's just not public, but the city knows exactly how much water each of those.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, sure.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I guess you can just publicly request you could just it's a public record.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: So anybody can request it.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: They know how much water I'm using in my yard.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: If I live in the city limits now.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we just posted that.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Who's the big water users in Portland again?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I did not know that Representative Daniel Wynn was an urban farmer, but apparently he is.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know that I'd classify urban farming as farming,
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: but nice of him to, very clever framing, absolutely.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think maybe he has a large garden is what I'm thinking.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: But here's the thing too,
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think that,
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: and to wrap this part up,
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: because we do need to talk more about Kotech and her strategy here going forward is,
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: There is still a lot of controversy.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: The candidates seem like they're managing it.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody's embracing it because they're also worried it's a third rail.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: Now, of course,
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: the good saying there,
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think this is from the West Wing,
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: it's called the third rail because it can shock you,
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: but it's also where all the power is, right?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: So there's the potential for power in this,
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: but no candidate yet is willing to seize that to try to win.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: And it'll be interesting to see if somebody does grab hold of that or
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: if they continue to sort of make it a secondary issue that they try to manage.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: So referencing Kotech, and I just got a hold of this not that long ago.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: So Kotech...
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Got the Working Families Party's endorsement.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I think this was one of the things that she was attempting to do to try
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: to prevent any more defections.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: There's a Pacific Green candidate we've already talked about that's going to be on the ballot.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: And he's the only other candidate.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: And you had been doing some research showing us like how many candidates are
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: normally on the ballot.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to have a low number this year in the general elections.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: But only three, right?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, only the three.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: And what has it been, Tip, over the last 10 years?
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Eight, I think, is what we noticed, right?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like the high was eight.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think the high was six.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Six.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: In the general.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Usually five or six candidates.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: I would say it's always kind of been the case somewhere in there
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: because you got working families, Libertarian, Green Party.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: Constitution has had a candidate.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Constitution.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Betsy Johnson runs a peer in the Independent last time,
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: not the Independent Party, but the Independent.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's...
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then you'd have is that probably it, right?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's I think that's about it.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: So and so that's what we've had.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: And now you only have the one.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: Now, the one could result in fewer people voting or could consolidate a chunk of
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: the vote there and have a sizable.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: So she needs an opportunity.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: As being in this,
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: I would say,
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: considered,
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say Kotech's a progressive,
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: but there are obviously elements of the progressive party
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: that thinks she hasn't gone far enough on various issues.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll call her an establishment Democrat.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: As an establishment Democrat, she needs as much lefty cred as she can get.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: And she's got the Working Family Party endorsement.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: Now, here's the thing.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't just show up at their meeting and go, oh,
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: my goodness,
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: Tina Kotech, you know, our choices between Kotech and Drazen, we better go with her.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, they tried to extract.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: Some concessions and in their press release, they they put out there on public.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: They put her on blast.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: They said, this is what you're committed to do.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: Defend immigrant communities by enforcing Oregon sanctuary protections.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: I do not think that was hard for her.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: She's already been doing all that stuff.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: Democrats aren't going to give an inch on the sanctuary law because it's one place
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: where they can go and talk to some of these
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: the different what they call BIPOC communities and say,
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: we're we're standing for you against the federal government,
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: against Republicans, against, you know, right.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: That also means, without saying it, basically they stand for open borders.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: They do.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: Including drugs and illegal everywhere.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: They want it all open.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Let it open.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sex trade.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck it.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: They will not cooperate.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's interesting because Oregon doesn't typically have on our policing.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: We haven't increased our police in decades.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: So we have less resources to deal with more crime.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so we don't have the resources.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: So one smart way,
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: instead of adding hundreds of officers,
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: would be to collaborate with the federal government and on certain types
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: of People committing those crimes,
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: they just said, nope, we're not going to collaborate.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not us.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: Holding corporations accountable to the commitments they make to Oregon communities
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: when they receive public dollars.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: Again, this was probably pretty easy because even when we did the CHIPS Act,
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: that includes a clawback provision that if the folks
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: who utilize Oregon CHIPS funds...
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: Don't do what they're required to do.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: We get to go back and claw back money and it's on a percentage basis.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: So if they did 25% of what they said they would do, we're only going to take 75% back.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: They keep 25.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: So that stuff's already pretty standard at this point.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like we're just voting to give massive corporate giveaways.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: That hasn't happened in a long time.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: Protecting farm worker overtime.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: This is interesting and controversial because Democrats did this a few years ago,
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: and it is widely known on the farm worker side to be a disaster to result
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: in cut hours.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: On the farm side, a disaster because it increases costs.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so now she's committed to keeping it.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that there have been legislators on the Democratic side who keep trying
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: to push reform.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: Now they keep running into their own lobbies of BIPOC workers
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: and working families parties who think farmworker overtime is amazing or
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: at least pretend it's amazing.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: And now they won't be able to get that past the governor if she keeps her promise here.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: Which we'll come back to that.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: Advancing universal preschool.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: Now, Bryan,
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like she took a bunch of heat for trying to change preschool for all
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: in Multnomah County.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: Am I making that up or was that real?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she took a bunch of heat.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's been a shit show.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: And now she flipped and says she's going to advance it statewide?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: Crazy.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: Disaster.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's because that tax is so high.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: On Multnomah County,
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: it's one of the things that makes them a high tax area in Oregon already,
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: a high tax state.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so now she's like, nope, we're going to take it statewide.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: So yikes.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: Expanding access to higher education.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: Knock yourself out.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody says that.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's going to be tough to do in this environment.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: I guess we're expanding access to higher education by keeping Southern Oregon University afloat.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know,
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_02: if it closes,
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: that would reduce access to So she wants to strengthen or she's required
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: to strengthen campaign finance transparency.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Again, I don't know how you get more transparent than what we're already doing,
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: but maybe she'll find a way.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: Investing in restorative justice programs that reduce recidivism,
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Democrats have been doing that for years because they would like to close all
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: the prisons.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I think they probably negotiated this because I bet
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: the Working Families Party started with, what if we closed all the prisons?
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: And she said, I can't do that actually and win an election.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so they said, okay, how about restorative justice?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: call it that.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: But basically they want no prisons and they want no crime because property crime is
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: a crime of necessity, Reagan.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, Bryan.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: If I don't have a truck and you have a truck, I can take your truck.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because you have several trucks, Bryan, and the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: I got one.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: I leave my keys in if anybody wants to steal it.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: I got good insurance.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't mind getting rid of it.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then the last thing she committed to do,
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: which is very,
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: very funny to me,
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: meeting with the Working Families Legislative Caucus during the legislative session.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: So not only does she have to have a meeting, it's got to be during legislative session.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Who is the Working Families Legislative Caucus?
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Do we have any members that we know of?
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think it is essentially...
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: The Democrat candidates who are endorsed by Working Families Party is my understanding.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like people like – it's everybody from Farah Chaiji all the way over to Paul Evans.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: Anybody who earns that endorsement is essentially part of that caucus.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: There is a separate socialist – Well, no.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a separate DSA caucus that does include some of the same membership.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: But I think people like Paul Evans is probably not a member of that.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: He's not really a DSA guy, but he is a working families guy.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of these guys are part of the working families caucus because of the name.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: Because it sounds good because they support working families.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, everybody, Republicans should join the caucus for working families, you know?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: But it's that kind of thing
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: that is really what they're promoting is supposedly working families policy,
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: not specifically Democrat socialist agenda.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: So it's important to draw those lines.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise,
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: I will get emails and texts from Democrats in the Capitol who are telling me
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: that their boss is not a socialist, which I understand.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: And thank you for your boss not being a socialist.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: We appreciate it.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: So interesting commitments that she's made.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: So now we have Working Families for Kotech, and then we have Libertarian Party for Drazen.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: So the times pass for the Constitutional Party to do anything,
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: which they're basically debunked anyways
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: because they don't have enough numbers anymore.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think they were delisted, right?
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: I think they were delisted.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think I read that.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: An independent party didn't make an actual nomination on either one of them.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think they decided against getting involved in the governor's race.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: They'll be involved in other races, but they didn't want to get involved in the governor's race.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: Probably because Drazen isn't liberal enough for them because they can't support Republicans.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: And Kotech, I'm not sure why they wouldn't support her.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm assuming they're just grumpy with her on transparency because they're big in
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: the campaign finance.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: They want people to be able to spend like $10 on elections and any more than $10
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: and it's big money.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably true.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think, well,
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: you know what,
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: having three candidates,
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: so if you assume the Green Party guy doesn't do anything,
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: he pulls,
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: maybe does he,
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder now if there's only three, if he pulls more of the disenfranchised.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think he does.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think he totally does.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: If he punches his ticket to three or four percent,
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: he's literally determining the winner of this race.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: He could be.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: He certainly could be.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: And that is,
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think the part about that that I'm wondering about is it's got to be close enough
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: where it's got to be close enough like 2022 where his,
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: if he gets, let's say, 5%, that his 5% is the difference.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: Now, who knows where that's coming from,
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: if that's people that could have voted for Drazen or not,
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: if she wins or loses, right?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, you never know.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder how many independent expenditures will be on behalf
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think Democrats will be running independent expenditures showing Brett Smith
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: holding an AR-15 and throwing an illegal immigrant in jail.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I think Republicans will probably be running ads showing him...
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: On a, you know,
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: organic farm, you know, holding, holding the hands of various immigrant communities.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: And they'll make them, they'll paint them to be whatever they need to be to try to win.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's probably what will happen.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: It'll be interesting.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that should be fun.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be fun.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's going to be fun.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: I was looking at the media stuff, so I was trying to see what they're buying on TV.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was because they're on TV, but they're actually fairly selective.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: They both spent about the same on KTU in Portland.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: They both had about a $90,000 two-week buy.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: Which is pretty hefty for KTU.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty big.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's early to be doing that, too.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but none of them had KGW.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Which I thought.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: So they were both.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of funny how they're playing chicken with each other.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: You buy on this TV.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: I go buy on that TV.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: No one's willing to give up any ground yet.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I feel like that's kind of that.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: But they're also trying to hoard as much money as they can because...
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: When you get to October, you're just hemorrhaging cash at that point.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: But yet you want to be out there with your messaging as much as you can.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: The jockeying is kind of fun at this point, but Kotick has a sizable cash advantage.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to make a huge difference come...
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's usually what in every one of these races,
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: it's always like, okay, who's going to go first to spend?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Who's not going to go first to spend?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: And you're just trying to hold your money as long as you can to tell the other guy,
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: especially if you're the incumbent, you want to hold your cash as long as you can.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: So the challenger can't gain any ground on you.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: And the same thing happens in these legislative races where...
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think Kotech would be better off spending more because you always get money late.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think she would be better off spending down some of her cash because she can always go find.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's always a couple million under the couch cushions in October, right?
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: She would be better off,
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think,
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: spending her money now and trying to
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: position Drazen in a spot
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: because Drazen doesn't have the luxury of spending an extra couple
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: of million bucks right now.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, you know, I'm not in that room,
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: so it's fine.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost more fun to sit back here and watch what they do and commentate on it than it is.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, 100%.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't want to be part of any of these races right now.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I have a lot of respect for everybody who is involved in the arena this time.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: Because, I mean,
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: especially on our side,
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: because right now,
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: obviously, a Republican in the White House is just so hard to deal with.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it really is.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I want to hit one more thing before we go,
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: because I think this was a pretty good discussion.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: And you brought up your Mike Rogers thing.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to bring up my thing.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: So near total massacre for the Freedom Caucus in Wyoming primaries.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: I found this to be fascinating that Wyoming,
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: which is considered to be probably one of the most conservative states in
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: the country.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: If not the most conservative state in the country.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: And they just had their primary, was it two weeks ago?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: Somewhere around there.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: August 19th.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: This was in the Cowboy State Daily,
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: which is actually kind of a pretty good little online newspaper.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: So Tuesday marked a rough night for the Wyoming Freedom Caucus as its members
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: and allies fell to a slew of legislative newcomers in
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: the Republican primary election.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: So literally like everyone but one of their Freedom Caucus members,
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: which was a ton of them, got just slammed in the primaries.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought it was because the Freedom Caucus
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: usually is the far right of the deal,
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: but They have gone so far right that the normal Republican
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: said, that's enough.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like they said in here, Wyoming citizens spoke loud and clear.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: They want true governance, not child's play.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I really think that's a very strong argument to make.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: They just don't want you yelling and screaming from the rooftops.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: They said, they want good governance regardless.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: You still need people to...
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, to govern.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I just thought this was a really interesting article in regards to
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: a Freedom Caucus, which is kind of like a Tea
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: Party kind of movement, I guess.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: You can call it that, I think.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: But to get just slayed
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: in these primaries,
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: and most of it is as maybe it's anti-incumbent is maybe more important
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: than anti-Freedom Caucus.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: But I think as they took over power,
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: what I want to say is like at the end of the day, people are still working.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: Requiring you to govern.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're still supposed to do the job.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so you can't,
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: it's like giving a two-year-old the, you know, I want to drive, I want to drive.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then you let them drive, right?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: And you put them on your lap and they're driving their steering wheel.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: And you're always kind of holding on to the bottom right-hand corner of
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: the steering wheel while you have them on your lap driving through the ranch.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think that's what always is the Republican Party.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: The Freedom Caucuses get on there and we're like, well,
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: You guys can drive a little bit of your fun,
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: but we're going to just hold on to the steering wheel down here
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: and make sure you don't send it into a ditch.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently they sent it into a ditch in Wyoming and people kind of had enough.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and so here's the thing.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I just went back to the homepage of that Cowboy State Daily
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: and I hit politics pack
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: that spent 500,000 helping Freedom Caucus had 87% failure rate.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: So and I mean, Wyoming's not a huge state.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: So 500 grand, quite a bit for these legislative reasons.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I think one of the things that at least that the people who won and some
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: of their supporters are saying is basically that people were tired of the negativity
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: and they were tired of them not acting like grownups and governing like grownups.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: And that is, I think...
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to be diplomatic about this.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: If there were Freedom Caucus,
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: if there was a Freedom Caucus in Oregon,
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: which there's not an organized one,
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: but let's say there were,
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: I would say that my expectation is that they and the Freedom Caucus at
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: the federal level all behave in a childish way
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: that does not include responsible governing as one of its core tenants.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: And they tend to be also very negative in their outlook and how they behave.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: So that seems accurate to me.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I do think we are turning a corner in the Republican Party,
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: partly based on Trump,
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: who campaigns constantly against these Freedom Caucus guys,
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: because he's tired of them being impediments to the agenda that he's trying to run,
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: which is a popular agenda.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's not the most conservative agenda on every issue,
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: but it is a popular...
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: Thomas Massey, like Thomas Massey got his ass handed to him, right?
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: He was the Freedom Caucus guy, Chip Roy.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: And these guys...
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: And this is the thing I want to point out.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: These guys at the national level go, oh, it's the Israel pack that defeated us.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: Now, they may have been contributors, but Israel PAC doesn't give to state legislative races.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: The Americans for Israel PAC, they don't.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: So how do you explain all these losses in Wyoming?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like voter fraud or whatever, I guess, is probably what they're going to claim.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure that's what they're saying.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: Guaranteed all but one of the counties has a Republican running their elections.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway...
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: At the end of the day,
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: they aren't wanted anymore because their strategy of always being right
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: and never governing doesn't work.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's not actually compatible with our form of government.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: There may be places that that works.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't work here.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: You can't win anything doing that.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_02: You only lose.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: And the Freedom Caucus is so good at losing.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: The Federal Freedom Caucus loves losing.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_02: They're like addicted to it.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: And we got to get off of that.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so as Republicans, I'm just going to say this.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: Love to see the Freedom Caucus lose.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm happy about it every single time it happens.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care if they're good, constitution-loving people.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: They can't govern.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: So they need to quit trying.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Go be a rabble rouser.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: Go be a PCP.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: Go be a whatever.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: Go on the Facebook groups.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: Stop trying to hold office where you have to make tough decisions
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: because they refuse to make tough decisions.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: 62-member house has 29 guaranteed new members poised to take office in January.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that is just a bloodbath.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: So around 43 of the House seats are poised to go to people who either oppose
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: the Freedom Caucus or ran against the Freedom Caucus members,
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: and characterize themselves as traditional Republicans,
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: which is known as an antonym of the Freedom Caucus.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: That is wild that it was that big of a bloodbath.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: So that's pretty, pretty amazing.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'll be curious to see how that plays out.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because I do think at the end of the day, you've got to govern your state.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't like government either.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's gotten too big, but we still have to have government.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not an anarchist.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's still important.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to have the...
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, like we voted against the gas tax, right?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: And nobody was for the gas tax.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was rammed down our throat.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: There was no like oversight.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: There was nothing.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: Republicans were spot on where they were right with where the clear majority of
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: where Oregonians are.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: We were right there.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't mean that we don't want to have a functional ODOT,
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: that we don't want to have functional roads in Oregon.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't mean that we don't want to pay for it.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: It means no.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: It means like we want to build roads.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: We want to make sure that taxpayer funding is going into the right spot
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: where it's supposed to be.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's not spent on DEI and CPP and a bunch of other crap that goes back to coffers,
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: that goes back to campaigns that run
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: against us.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: So we're just asking for some simple oversight.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the Freedom Caucus will be like, no,
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: taxes forever.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, well, right.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, because somebody's got to pay for
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: the roads.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that is the difference between it all.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the way I see it.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: I just thought that was an interesting article to see like Wyoming go
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: that far throughout, you know, Dick Cheney's daughter.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: Remember that whole thing?
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: And And she would,
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: of course,
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: she wasn't even a Republican,
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: but I mean, that's,
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: but I do find that to be a fun,
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: interesting tidbit of an article to read about the Freedom Caucuses there.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was going to look and see,
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: because I think they were the only ones that were,
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was looking around,
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: there wasn't really a lot of other ones that have been very organized as far as on
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: the state level.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: No, the only other big group like that that went down was the folks that voted
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: against Trump's redistricting in a couple of those states.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: Those guys got their bottoms handed to them.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: Overall, I would say it's probably specifically local.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Wyoming's a funny state.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_02: They had a check gate.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: So apparently their legislative sessions, I think, are like 90 days, so very short.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it was apparently dominated by this controversy where a local GOP leader went to
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: the floor of the House and Senate and passed out contribution checks,
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: which apparently is not against their rules.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that created a massive scandal.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: And they had to figure out what their rules are going to be now for that.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, Wyoming, still very much the Wild West on many of these issues, I guess.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, as to be expected, as it is in the West.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe before you take a vote on that, let me give you this check.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: I believe that was the concern.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: Again, I don't think like a lot of people think,
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: oh, man, they received a thousand dollars from pharma.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's going to change their opinion.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: I guarantee you it doesn't.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Pharma is giving the thousand because these guys have voted for stuff,
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: you know, policy that they like.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: You don't as a politician get a thousand dollars and go,
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_02: oh, my gosh,
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: I can't cross these
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_02: people.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_02: But what you do what I do think,
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_02: though, that there is there's this perception that nobody's tied to anything.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's not true, but it should be.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I think oftentimes is influential people in your community and you and as a legislator.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: You are careful to make sure that you are at least responsive to those people
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: and explain why you voted the way you did.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't always change how you feel,
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: but if you mess with too many of those influential people, guess what?
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: They all hang out.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: They all And they go, wow, you know, we really don't like this person anymore.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we should find someone else to run and finance them.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_02: And that stuff does happen.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: And so there are, but it's people in your community.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_02: And that's how it should work is you have to be responsive to the people that are
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: in your community and that back the issues.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: That's your community saying, we don't think you represent us very well.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: And that's legitimate.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: That's the way government works.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's supposed to, right?
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: It does go to show you, you know, you brought up President Trump.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think betting against President Trump has not been very fruitful for people
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: that bet against his in the Republican Party.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think he has a 95% win record in the U.S. Senate and like 92% in Congress in primaries.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: Bryan, I can't think of a Republican that has gone, I'm going to fight Trump and has won.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: They all lose.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: Whether you like it or not,
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: whether you agree with them or not,
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: fighting Trump directly has resulted in a great many of people either deciding not
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: to run again because they knew they were going to lose or running again and losing.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's just what happens.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_02: So If you want to stay in office, don't fight Trump.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: If you would like to get out of office, yeah, knock yourself out.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: You'll take yourself out just as quickly as possible.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's why the last topic I had,
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: unless you had anything else,
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: was just this whole idea,
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: and we were talking about it a little bit before,
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: with President Trump, because he just came out with the 300,000 ton of beef and
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, the average cost of ground beef is like $6 a pound or something like that.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's high.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: Cattle on a 1,200-pound, 1,100-pound steer is getting pretty good.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: It probably costs you about $2,500 if you were to buy it alive.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: So if you start doing the math and all that, you know, $6 a pound is really where you end up.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: and I've seen a lot of groups that are critical of President Trump by doing
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: that sort of stuff.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: Again, and here's where I'm going to layer this argument is that I think
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: that whoever is advising Trump with the ag community is not doing a good job
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: of talking to the ag community.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm seeing it.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: All over the place, right?
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: And this is just another example of it.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: But the problem isn't President Trump.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: He's just like, oh, Band-Aid, C problem, fix problem, Band-Aid, right?
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what he's trying to get at.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the biggest problem facing the cattle industry isn't 300,000 pounds of beef.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: That equates to like a quarter pounder that people buy per year.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not that much in the grand scheme of it.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: The biggest problem we have in America is that we don't have cattle ranchers.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: We have beaten this industry down to the point to where there's only
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: so many people out there who are raising cattle and we don't have a lot
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: of processing plants.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: We have a state like Oregon who just destroys any family farm or ranch they can
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: on every level as soon as they try to pass it down
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: because their estate taxes are stupid.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: We have CAFO restrictions.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: PAFO restrictions.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: We got inspection restrictions.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: We got ag overtime restrictions.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: We got ag housing restrictions.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: We got everything you can do.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: We got groups that sue us every time we want to actually go out and graze somewhere.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: Instead, we just let it burn.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: Two million acres of grazing is gone.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: So we have all of these things.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: When is the last time we put new water rights on ground to actually grow grass
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: that cattle could actually grow?
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: I can't even tell you the last time OWRD,
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Vicki's favorite agency, actually approved a water right to grow more hay.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's so many other things that's causing the depletion of the sheer cattle numbers.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: In America that led to President Trump saying we got to import some beef
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: to alleviate the six dollar and 88 cents a pound.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I just think it's disingenuous and quite frankly,
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: politically stupid to your whole point with going up against President Trump
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: for these groups whose members basically all support President Trump
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: to now blame him for.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: What, the destruction of their industry?
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's not destroying the cattle industry, bringing in 300
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: ton of beef.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's not the end of it.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: It has nothing to do with that.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: Cattle ranchers now, I wish I had more cows to sell because the price is really good.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: So they're all doing pretty, and the price of hay's low.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: So the reality is cattle ranchers are doing really good.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: And also, it's not like they're trying to grow their numbers as fast as they possibly can.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: But they can only grow them as fast.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a while.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a couple of years for you to grow a cow and make a calf.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because a calf, a heifer, has to become a cow.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then that cow has to become pregnant and then have a calf.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: That takes about three to four years before you're actually creating more cows
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: that have calves.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so then you're probably more on the four-year to even four-and-a-half-year cycle
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_00: before you actually see a steer come out of a newly born cow that makes it to
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: the market.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: So You have a long time.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that sometimes you have to pinch that Band-Aid and create that bridge
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: between the two areas.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: And the reality is there's not enough cattle ranchers.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: We need more cattle ranchers.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that is the sort of thing where it's going to take a long time to change
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: the policies to get us more cattle ranchers.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: And so whether American cattle ranchers, American farmers in other food-related industry...
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_02: Politicians and people who are not farmers all care a lot about what the price
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_02: of food is and they want it to be low.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: The lower the price of food is, the harder that hits the farmers, obviously.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_02: And so what you need to do is you got to do your best to dereg and reduce costs
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: on the farmers where you can, where it's safe to do so.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously,
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: we're not going to eliminate basic safety related stuff,
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_02: but you got to reduce the knucklehead red tape regulations that cost them money
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_02: to do stuff they're already going to do safely and do well.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: And then and and and relieve them on that side.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_02: But that stuff takes a lot more time than just going,
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to lift the tariff on out of country beef.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I get why farmers are frustrated.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: They have not been treated well by, I would say, members of both parties.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of times Republicans at the federal level don't do everything they want
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: because they are focused on reducing the price of food,
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: although I tend to think Republicans are better on ag quite a bit than Democrats.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: And when Democrats are in control, obviously they get hit hard on the environmental impacts.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so it is tough to be a farmer, but you also got to understand that what the goal is.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I think The farmers will also tell you their goal is to make food affordable.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just disagreements on the best policies to get you there.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes the politicians have to turn the knob that's easy to turn versus
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: the one that takes a long time and is harder to.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: And that's just based on the electoral and the realities of what they can and can't do quickly.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, farmers,
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: a lot of farmers are taking government subsidies too for their wheat
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: and other things.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: So we still have to realize we're You know,
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: you can't blame them and then be at the trough and you can't yell at them
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_01: through one door and then open up the other door and say, hey,
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: where's the farm package where it gives us our guaranteed floor for our,
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: you know, for our wheat or for our soybeans or whatever it is that we're.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: Ag has always been in that weird space,
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: and you're right,
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: probably been treated slightly better by Republicans and slightly worse
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_01: by Democrats,
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: but it always seems no matter what, ag has always been in the crosshairs of both.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: And we try to fix it.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know,
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: a really good example of just red tape,
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: for instance, like why we don't have cattle ranchers.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: We were just on this housing tour over in Senator Nash's district, northeastern Oregon.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: He took us all the way up to Joseph,
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oregon, which is a lot of cattle ranchers up there, a lot of cattle.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's got 260 some acres that he's got.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's dry land.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: He's got this little one acre corner of it.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: That he would like to say, hey,
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: why couldn't a family that has this cattle ranch going on the corner
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: of this field build a house?
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then on that house,
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: they could have a family member or somebody come back and live on that one acre,
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: that two acres of dry land that's just middle of nowhere.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: And they could help out the family ranch and they could do more.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then you get another person working, moving cattle and all those sort of things.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like another instance, like if you have a pivot, right?
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: Usually in the corner of your pivots, you've got little dry land corners.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like why not allow somebody to put a house there?
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know who won't?
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_01: The crazy Nazi Thousand Friends of
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oregon and the Central Oregon Land Watch
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_00: and all these freaking groups who don't let us build homes.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, where do you think no kid can come home and build a home and help out
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: the family farm and the family ranch?
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: None of that exists.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: So that's just one example of a red tape in Oregon that is destroying us
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: from being able to actually- They
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_02: literally want a system where if anybody says,
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: hey,
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: I would farm that dry patch of ground that I don't own and won't ever actually farm.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_02: But if I would do that, then you can't build on it.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's what they want.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_02: And that's just- Not reality.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_02: They want all of the farmland to be publicly owned and owned by the state.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_02: This would be their ideal scenario.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_02: I think the state owns all the farmland.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_02: The farmers get to lease it and then they get they get to work the land.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_02: They work for the government.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_02: I think that that literally is their ideal scenario.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they want literally anyone, but especially not farmers to own private property.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I just think that that's.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_02: I can't even talk about it anymore because it's so crazy and it makes me angry every time.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_02: But we have a system in America and America is built on you own your property
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: and they want a system where the government,
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_02: if they can't own it, controls everything that you do with it.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_02: And that's not American.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's not an American system.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's fine.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's fine to have simple regulations.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_02: So that people,
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_02: so that you can kind of have an idea of what's going to be happening where,
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_02: but it's not the government's job to control every single aspect of the use of land.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they want it to be, and I think that's the problem.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_01: America was built on private property rights,
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: and we just have to be,
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: and I guess my frustration just comes down to,
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: you know, I wish these groups, and they're notoriously, you know, right of center,
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_01: That you see out there,
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_01: don't take a political opportunity to blast Trump and support Democrats in Oregon
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: when the real problem is not.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_01: President Trump or Republicans,
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_01: the whole reason why we're in the pickle we're in is because
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_01: of these left wing policies that have just crippled,
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_01: working ranches and working families from actually trying
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: to expand their cattle ranch operations.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean,
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: there's just, I mean,
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_00: we haven't even touched on the fact that they hate cattle from the left does.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_00: They hate cattle because they think they fart too much,
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: you know, and they put too much like, what
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: do you call it, you know, into the air.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so they hate that sort of stuff.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's why they didn't like the catho things, right?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: They were always against that.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, That's why they want to regulate us to death.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: And we got to figure out a better way to go about it.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_01: If you want beef prices to be, you know, $3 a pound instead of $6.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: Now there needs to be a sweet spot,
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_01: by the way, because cattle ranchers actually like a little higher beef prices.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: Don't get me wrong,
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: because,
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_01: you want to be able to sell your calf for,
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: $3 a pound is great if you're selling a 600 pound steer, right, to a feedlot.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: So that's Pretty decent money, like you're finally making a couple of bucks.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: But there is a sweet spot, like what they always say, the price of oil.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_01: There's kind of a sweet spot in cattle ranching where you want the price of hay
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: to be a certain spot and your price of cattle to be a certain spot
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: where everybody's making a couple of bucks.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then we can kind of hold steady on the actual food price.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the game that's trying to be played here.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_02: There you go, Bryan.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_02: You figured it out.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_02: We just need the government to set the prices and then that'll fix everything.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_02: You're totally right.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why these socialists like Bernie Sanders,
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_02: they say that because it's like, well, then that fixes the problem.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, it doesn't.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't fix the problem.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_02: It creates more corruption.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, we should probably wrap it up.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: The market will determine that.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: Just like why we don't like rent control.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's no different.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: Once the market determines if the price has gone too high,
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: then all of a sudden you're going to get private investment to come in
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: and build apartment complexes because they're getting $1,800 a month
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: for one bedroom.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: So they're like, shit, yeah, I'll come in and build that.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: They're not going to want to build if you're only getting $600 a month
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: and you can't ever, ever raise your rent.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: So the market needs to fluctuate and the market,
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: private enterprise will always find the sweet spot because it turns out that
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_01: the market can ultimately fix it all if we just kind of get out of the way
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: because you can't control markets.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's true.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's our dissertation for the day, Reagan.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think we've done enough.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_02: Read The Wealth of Nations.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: Understand how the economy works.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_02: Stop messing it up.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: Is this Monday, is that Labor Day or is it literally like a week from Monday?
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's a week from, it's a week.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like super late.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's on the 7th, I think, this year.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: Right before Ledge Day.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_02: Labor Day and Ledge Day.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_02: Labor Day is kind of when the campaigns really kick into gear.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_02: So, of course, that's when you'd schedule legislative days.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_02: Who is doing this?
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_02: I need the Speaker's office.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_02: Please, I beg you,
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_02: just ask five more people about your calendaring and we can give you feedback.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_02: It is terrible.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_02: The President's office as well.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_02: We beg you, please ask more people about ledge days.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_02: We need it to not be scheduled the way it's being scheduled right now.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't work.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_02: Got to remember, these candidates have to go out there and campaign.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_02: Help them out.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: It is pretty horrendous.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_01: The timing is just so silly.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_01: Do we really need one?
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: Do we really need alleged days?
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_02: In the fall of an election year?
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, we do not.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_02: No, we do not.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: There is nothing productive that will happen at that legislative days
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_02: that isn't electioneering basically from the legislative side.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's a bad choice.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_02: December alleged days?
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_02: I totally get maybe December alleged days should be longer because we're prepping
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_02: for a long session.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, again, we got to think creatively.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_02: Think outside the box.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_02: I have ideas.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_02: Please ask.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_02: I may send them unsolicited here.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm getting desperate.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: I just think I think it's just in this scenario of wanting to continue
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_01: to have more government because,
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_01: you know, the only thing, Reagan, that would be more important.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: To anybody is to make sure that the legislature is there more.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because that helped anybody like never.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think we need to be there less because there's so many regulations
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: and stuff out there that people can't even keep up with what's been passed.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody just keeps... And we're guilty of that too.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're always tinkering with... And most of it is...
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think most of our stuff is tearing down other shit that's been passed.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think most of our legislation has to do with us removing things.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_01: So...
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_01: All right, buddy.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, have a good Labor Day.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure we'll talk before then,
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: knowing that it's two weeks from now, but we'll see what happens politically.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_01: We had enough couple of things that built up that we were able to talk about a couple of things.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think the dominant factor is probably the governor's race,
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: but we'll see what happens over the course of the next two weeks.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds good, Bryan.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_02: Look forward to it.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_00: Talk to you soon.