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Almost Famous OG: Don’t Panic with Jamie Blyth PART 2 · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the almost famous podcast with iHeartRadio. We're back
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  Speaker 1: almost famous to OG's and we are having such a
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  Speaker 1: great time with Jamie Blythe, who was, of course my
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  Speaker 1: partner in crime on Trista's season of the Bachelorette. So
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  Speaker 1: let's get back into it.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to take this opportunity to say, I
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  Speaker 2: am so sorry. I wish I would have like going
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  Speaker 2: back the things that I like said, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, oh, And our producer said that in an article.
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  Speaker 3: She said that at one point in the show.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if you remember this, Jamie, because
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember it. My memory sucks, so anyway, I
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  Speaker 2: don't remember it. But it's said in the article that
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  Speaker 2: you called me Tricia and then you said do you
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  Speaker 2: like golf? And I was like, my name is Trista,
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  Speaker 2: and no, I don't like golf.
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  Speaker 4: I remember that story.
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  Speaker 1: I remember thinking, I thought said I might eve even
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  Speaker 1: said something to the effect of I felt like you
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  Speaker 1: might like he might have followed he up with I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I I really like, you know, I really liked the
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  Speaker 1: time we're spending together, like yeah, you like it's so
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  Speaker 1: much of collinor Tricia or something like. I was just
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  Speaker 1: just you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a good friend at home named Tricia,
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  Speaker 5: and we were in a line. Bob was righting back
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  Speaker 5: at me. Yeah, I go, Tricia, do you like golf?
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  Speaker 5: And then Bob, you just lost it. I remember that
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  Speaker 5: you just died left. But you uh completely, Bob. You
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  Speaker 5: saved me though, because that whole thing would have been
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  Speaker 5: so different for me, but especially just going at like
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  Speaker 5: that first encounter with that guy and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 5: I'm laughing and I'm like, call, like how I could
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  Speaker 5: actually sit here and have fun despite all the anxiety,
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  Speaker 5: and not only that, like I talked to you about it,
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  Speaker 5: like you were telling me some of your things that
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  Speaker 5: happened to you at that time. And I think we
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  Speaker 5: were I was on the top of the Uh didn't
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  Speaker 5: we go on the top of that mansion we were at,
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  Speaker 5: and we're like, Trista came home from a date at
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  Speaker 5: like four am with Ryan, a nice date, and me
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  Speaker 5: and you were hammered on the top of a mansion,
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  Speaker 5: cooking like burd.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we were sweeping beer cans off of the off
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  Speaker 1: of the roof. And actually, no, she wasn't on a
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  Speaker 1: date with Ryan because Ryan was there with us actually,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember the roof, No, not on top of
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  Speaker 1: the roof, but he was there at the house with
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  Speaker 1: us still, and we had played the Sentry Club that night,
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  Speaker 1: a hundred shots of beer in a hundred minutes, and
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  Speaker 1: it was just something dumb we were doing. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the night Jamie did the pony chowl thing. It was
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  Speaker 1: eating dog food and it was just crazy. But I
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  Speaker 1: remember you came home and you came in and you
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  Speaker 1: you were laughing, and so I knew the producers put
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  Speaker 1: you up to it, but you like had to look
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  Speaker 1: like you were mad. And you go, why is it
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  Speaker 1: when I go on a date with you, I come
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  Speaker 1: back and everyone's sleeping or reading the Bible, and I
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  Speaker 1: go on a date with anyone but you and I
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  Speaker 1: come home and it's like a frat party. And I
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  Speaker 1: remember you said it with this gleam in your eye.
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  Speaker 1: This one I knew we were going to be friends forever.
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  Speaker 1: I swear to you, trist I did. And I looked
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  Speaker 1: at you and I go, well, with all respect, you
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  Speaker 1: are dating fourteen of my new best friends. Every we
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  Speaker 1: both just started laughing and it was like one of
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  Speaker 1: those moments.
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  Speaker 4: So funny.
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  Speaker 1: Oh what am I supposed to do, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: it was like it is so funny and dumb and hilarious.
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  Speaker 5: Well that's the night Jack Jack French. Yeah, ironically, the
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  Speaker 5: people like he didn't He didn't, you know, drink very much,
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  Speaker 5: and so as the people that here was my takeaway.
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  Speaker 5: The people that didn't like drink at all looked like
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  Speaker 5: the alcoholics.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they passed out. We're like out there, still working,
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  Speaker 1: We're functioning beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: Because it was like eight pm and I could just
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  Speaker 5: tell he was slowing his words. And I went up
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  Speaker 5: to him and his bed was right next to mine
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  Speaker 5: with like the seventy five other guys vying for the
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  Speaker 5: Trista's heart, and they go, Jack, you need to I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: come over here, away from the cameras and like you
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  Speaker 5: need to go to bed, and he's like okay, So I.
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  Speaker 4: Dragged him there.
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  Speaker 1: Did you sell him out? Later?
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  Speaker 4: Did I totally screwed him?
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  Speaker 1: He's like he's passed out.
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  Speaker 5: But he's like standing on his bed and the guy
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  Speaker 5: looks like a Vander Holyfield naked pean on his bed,
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  Speaker 5: And of course I got to come tell you, oh
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  Speaker 5: my god, I can believe.
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  Speaker 4: This dumb peeing on his bed right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, let's go. Then then we carried him out.
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  Speaker 1: We carry his bed outside while he's sleeping at it,
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  Speaker 1: we carry him outside. The sprinklers come on.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing little frat boys, My little frat boys.
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  Speaker 4: So good.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So tell us about how is life now? You know,
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  Speaker 2: after after the Bachelorette you go back to normal life,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously you have a happy family and we so
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  Speaker 2: we would love to hear about it, because I don't
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  Speaker 2: think you're on social that much.
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  Speaker 5: No, So I was basically after that, I did some
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  Speaker 5: stuff for ABC, NBC and Chicago briefly and then not
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  Speaker 5: even briefly. I did it on and off for years
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  Speaker 5: and an extra when subbrities came through Chicago, I was
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  Speaker 5: the guy that kind of interviewed all the celebrities. So
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  Speaker 5: I interviewed everybody, I mean, Trump, Lebron James, al Pacino,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Scarlet, everybody that came through Chicago. I interviewed
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  Speaker 5: all of them, so that you know that was I
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  Speaker 5: enjoyed doing that, but I was really living kind of
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  Speaker 5: a regular life. I remember having some people say move
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  Speaker 5: to La some agents and stuff like that, and I
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  Speaker 5: actually had my car packed at one point, and it's
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  Speaker 5: just something in my gut just didn't sit right with me.
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  Speaker 5: So I went back to sort of a normal life.
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  Speaker 5: But I've got a eleven year old boy who is
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  Speaker 5: the best, best kid in the world. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if you guys can see this or not.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that? Can you see a guy? Look at
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  Speaker 1: those eyes? That crazy?
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  Speaker 4: He's a looker, beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: But his name is Jackson. He's the best, great athlete,
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  Speaker 5: super smart. I just knocked over my high noon, Bob.
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  Speaker 1: Something's never changed.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm screwed.
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  Speaker 5: And then so I was, you know, living a normal life.
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  Speaker 5: And then I'm trying to think. Probably five years ago,
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  Speaker 5: a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, sold
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  Speaker 5: his company for substantial amount of money. He was a
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  Speaker 5: film major in college, wanted to make movies. I had
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  Speaker 5: some contacts. He ends up meeting Mike Tyson. Of all people,
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  Speaker 5: they really get along, and in my head, I was
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  Speaker 5: going to do a documentary on anxiety, depression and just
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  Speaker 5: mental health. And so he goes, well, hey, I interview Mike,
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  Speaker 5: and then he had William Shatner, a couple of Navy seals,
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  Speaker 5: and then I kind of got the rest of some
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  Speaker 5: pro baseball players pro golfers, therapists, really.
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  Speaker 4: Anybody that could help.
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  Speaker 5: But but yeah, Mike Tyson was the first interview, and
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  Speaker 5: that feeling was kind of like, it felt very similar
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  Speaker 5: to go on that first night on The Bachelorette. It
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  Speaker 5: was the same exact feeling. I didn't sleep for two
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  Speaker 5: days and just outrageously nervous for it, even though I'd
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  Speaker 5: been on camera lot. It's just it was intense for
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  Speaker 5: me because I wasn't doing it every day type thing
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  Speaker 5: where it was consistent where you get used to it.
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  Speaker 5: And then Mike Tyson's sitting across from you.
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  Speaker 4: But he was great.
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  Speaker 1: That was a great interview too.
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  Speaker 5: When you look at like today, you know, mental health, depression, anxiety, suicide,
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  Speaker 5: and fortunately is at a boiling point, especially with the
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  Speaker 5: young people the town I live in. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 5: a horrible incident last week, but.
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  Speaker 4: It's on the rise.
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  Speaker 5: And I thought Mike Tyson gave probably one of the best,
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  Speaker 5: it's simple, one of the best answers I've ever heard.
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  Speaker 4: And I just asked him if you ever been suicidal?
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  Speaker 5: And he's like all the time, He's like fifty different
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  Speaker 5: times over the years, right, And that guy just keeps
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  Speaker 5: getting back up, but his answer was, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: just a moment in time.
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  Speaker 4: It'll pass. It's just a moment in time.
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  Speaker 5: And I think, especially young people, we all do this
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  Speaker 5: right where you think this is it, you go through
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  Speaker 5: some crisis.
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  Speaker 4: We all been there, Bob. I've been at your worst moments.
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  Speaker 5: You've been in mind right, yeah, where you can't see
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  Speaker 5: the future in a way and you're just kind of
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  Speaker 5: down and out and we're fun guys, and we're fun,
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  Speaker 5: but it's like that other side. You could be outgoing
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  Speaker 5: and life of the party, but also struggle inside a
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  Speaker 5: little bit, right, But everybody has these moments. Crisis is universal.
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  Speaker 5: Being broken as universal, but just understanding that it's a
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  Speaker 5: moment in time, it's right now, and if you could
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  Speaker 5: just sort of zoom out and that this moment will
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  Speaker 5: pass and not only pass, but you might look back
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  Speaker 5: at your hardest times and say, yeah, you don't want
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  Speaker 5: to go through that again. But maybe there was something
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  Speaker 5: on the other side of that that did make you
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  Speaker 5: stronger and maybe you realize something.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, do you agree with what I'm saying
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  Speaker 4: a little bit about her?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, man, I listen, I've said it forever about you.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, one of the reasons we migrated
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  Speaker 1: to each other was we kind of needed each other,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on at that stage in our lives, and
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  Speaker 1: thankfully have continued our friendship like for so many years
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  Speaker 1: ever since then. But yeah, I've often said it. At first,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think people would look at you and think
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  Speaker 1: that you had this situation going on. And but I
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  Speaker 1: also think it's because you've approached it in such a
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  Speaker 1: way that you do. You are funny about it, and
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  Speaker 1: you are lighthearted about it, and people root for you.
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  Speaker 1: And I've always rooted for you, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: it's one of those things you know, you see someone
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  Speaker 1: you love and care about struggling and you're like, come on, man,
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  Speaker 1: I know you can do this, you know, and you've
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  Speaker 1: done harder things and crazier things, and and so you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've said it for Avertrice that I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you set such a high bar for how
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  Speaker 1: I think the people that are in that lead position
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  Speaker 1: on the Bachelor and Bachelorette should be. And you were
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  Speaker 1: so kind to all of us, you know, and it
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  Speaker 1: was like you were so sweet and it's just your disposition,
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  Speaker 1: it's just who you are, and and I think Jamie
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  Speaker 1: in particular was able to I was able to be
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  Speaker 1: feel like I could be myself because you made me
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  Speaker 1: feel that way. But Jamie also, I think he felt
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  Speaker 1: so comfortable with you that that kind of took the
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  Speaker 1: pressure off, Like you almost forgot you're on a TV
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  Speaker 1: show because you're talking to this beautiful person who's really
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  Speaker 1: sweet and kind and and you know, Trista.
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  Speaker 5: That goes back to back to what you were saying,
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  Speaker 5: where I thought you were great. You didn't I hit
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  Speaker 5: it from everybody.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: It's not like I told you I had this and
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  Speaker 5: you didn't do anything that was You were really nice
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  Speaker 5: to me, So yeah, I never said anything negative and
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  Speaker 5: I thought you were I thought you were great, Bob.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was funny.
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  Speaker 5: Where I can't remember when I first talked about it
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  Speaker 5: was either when Chris Harrison had that live show or
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  Speaker 5: me and you went on Diane Sawyer.
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  Speaker 4: I think it might have been Diane Sawyer.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So that was.
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  Speaker 5: Weird for me because that was live TV, and I
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  Speaker 5: remember me and you kind of we went out for
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  Speaker 5: really late that night before and then it was which
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  Speaker 5: probably helped.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, shocking amazing, amazing, the two of us get together.
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  Speaker 1: It still happens now.
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  Speaker 5: Then what's weird about that is she gave the commencement
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  Speaker 5: speech at my at Illinois for my graduation, and that's
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  Speaker 5: why I was. I was at my worst though when
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  Speaker 5: she gave it and everybody else is seeing in the future,
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  Speaker 5: I was at my worst. I was like, God, now
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  Speaker 5: I got to go in the real world with this
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  Speaker 5: thing that I'm hiding and I can't deal with. And
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  Speaker 5: there's people everywhere obviously, So when me and you, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if you remember this, but I sat there
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  Speaker 5: and I told her in that brief story and then
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  Speaker 5: that's kind of what she wanted to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually do. Yeah, I do remember that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was wild.
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  Speaker 1: It was great. I thought it was amazing. You confronted
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  Speaker 1: your fears head on, buddy, and that's a that's a
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  Speaker 1: hard thing to do.
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  Speaker 4: Connie Chung was hilarious, though. Do you remember that what
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  Speaker 4: a disaster I was on.
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  Speaker 1: That you were? Yeah, that was really funny.
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  Speaker 5: Bob talked for about twenty five minutes, like I didn't
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  Speaker 5: say work, and then while we're on air, and this
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  Speaker 5: is like during the Iraq worry and so there's like
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  Speaker 5: all these monitors.
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  Speaker 4: I was more.
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  Speaker 5: Curious because Bob was. I actually loved it because Bob
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  Speaker 5: was talking. So I was just staring at like over
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  Speaker 5: here at the monitors. And then she goes, Jamie, what
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  Speaker 5: do you think about that? I wasn't listening to any
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  Speaker 5: of it, no idea. Oh and I just feel like this.
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  Speaker 5: I go, what do you think about what? And you go, oh,
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  Speaker 5: she's talking about the Iraq Warrior. You give your thoughts
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  Speaker 5: on the Iraq working.
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  Speaker 1: She was not talking about that the way.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so fun, that like so fun.
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  Speaker 5: We went through this whole experience together and you know,
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  Speaker 5: all these fun stories and yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: How do you think that you would have felt if
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  Speaker 2: social media had been around you?
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  Speaker 3: Would you have actually done the show?
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  Speaker 5: That's a great point. I think there's pros and cons.
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  Speaker 5: I think social media is it's really dangerous. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I was an adult, but like say, for a teenager,
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  Speaker 5: it's potentially dangerous, right is it? Like you could let's
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  Speaker 5: say you're not part of the cool club on Facebook
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  Speaker 5: or Instagram, and then your comparisons are a bad deal.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can't imagine that a therapist hasn't told you
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  Speaker 2: to stay away from social media with you know, I
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  Speaker 2: would assume in books and anything you read on panic
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  Speaker 2: disorders that maybe social media.
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  Speaker 3: Is not where you should be spending your time.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's funny because I was never on Instagram
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  Speaker 5: till I did this show.
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  Speaker 4: My podcast, and it's funny. I actually like a lot
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  Speaker 4: of it.
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  Speaker 5: Like I think there's some very helpful stuff if you're
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  Speaker 5: trying to deal with mental health. But yeah, I think
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  Speaker 5: where it gets tricky. I think there's some really good
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  Speaker 5: stuff on them. But and then the algorithm start working
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  Speaker 5: out where if I'm hey, I'm trying to beat anxiety,
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  Speaker 5: I'm trying to be depression and whatever it might be,
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  Speaker 5: those'll start popping up. So that stuff I think is
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  Speaker 5: pretty good. The trick is, like I said, the comparisons
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  Speaker 5: and inequities. So you know, you're in high school or
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  Speaker 5: let's say you do something stupid, which in high school
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  Speaker 5: I did all the time.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, all right, well that's on there.
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  Speaker 5: And then you know, Bob and I probably a million
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  Speaker 5: thoughts going through has right now with things we've done,
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  Speaker 5: and like, well how do you live that?
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  Speaker 4: Down?
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  Speaker 5: Is their potential like fame there And I've heard stories
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  Speaker 5: where somebody did just throw something on Facebook and.
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  Speaker 4: It goes viral, and now that that person's dealing with
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  Speaker 4: the shame.
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  Speaker 5: So but I think the big problem is is that
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  Speaker 5: and then just the comparisons and you know, everybody's putting
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  Speaker 5: obviously that we've all heard this before, but obviously their
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  Speaker 5: best filter whatever you want to call it, on there.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that's the danger.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Well, thank god we didn't have to deal
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  Speaker 2: with that, and we had lots of fun. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: our my season are I say our season because it
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  Speaker 2: was our season even though it was my bachelorette, was
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  Speaker 2: just so much fun. We had the best time, our
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  Speaker 2: big guys, our group was so great.
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  Speaker 3: We were so lucky.
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  Speaker 5: You were awesome, You were you were great to all
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  Speaker 5: of us. Super I thought you were handled a first
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  Speaker 5: time thing extremely well. And like you said, that had
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  Speaker 5: to be a lot of pressure. I mean, just being
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  Speaker 5: the person in the first to do it, and like
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  Speaker 5: and like you said, which I didn't quite know, but
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  Speaker 5: the scrutiny and about you probably dealt with some of
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  Speaker 5: that too, Like how was that just dealing with public scrutiny?
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  Speaker 5: I guess, like how do you process it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I'd still do a really horrible job
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 4: I saw your Ted talk, though, I thought your Ted
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  Speaker 4: Talk was great.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, for the most part, and you guys
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: probably have the same experience, is that ninety nine point
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: nine percent of people are so positive and so supportive,
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: and you know, big fans whoever come up and talk
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: to me. But then there's like, you know, that point
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: oh five percent that and I don't know what movie
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: it was in the eighties, but there's a movie in
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: the eighties that I remember said it's just easier to
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: believe the bad stuff.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: It's in some movie.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Right, and and I feel like it's just easier to
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: you know, oh, you're right, because like I talked about,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I did Special Forces, and I talked about the devil
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: on my shoulder and the angel on my shoulder, and
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: it's just sometimes it's just easier to believe the devil.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: The devil's you know, on my shoulder is just at
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: me all the time, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I don't belong here, and I suck, you know, I'm whatever.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: So I think that.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I just I tried try to focus on the positive.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: And I will say if I had had any other cast,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: maybe it would have been different because we did have
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun. It wasn't like super serious and
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: dramatic and you know, all of those things, and it
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: was just fun.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: At least for me. It was.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: Well, it's probably perfect because you had you had Ryan
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: who's like, you know, was the perfect person person for
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: you at the time, and then outside of that, it
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: was like he was the one, and then he had
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: a bunch of people having fun. So you know, it
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: was probably a perfect, perfect match, perfect world.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: For that and for him.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: He has always said, thank god that I had that
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: he had you guys, because he wouldn't have been able
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: to stick around as long as he did.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: And thank god that guy didn't play basketball with us
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: on the basketball court, remember that, because it was just
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: us playing bomb I never showed up.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: You would have kicked all our asses, right, do you remember?
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that trust out? I'll never forget that one.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Jamie and I are shooting hoops and we're not invited
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: on this particular date. I think you guys are going
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to uh Sea World and you come over and you
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: look gorgeous, and you're standing up there at this thing
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: and there our basketball court was kind of sat down
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: on the side and we're sitting there and you come
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: walking over, and at first we think it's a great
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: thing that you're walking over because we don't realize the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: cameras are following you and we should have known that.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: But and you go hello boys, and we're like, oh, hey,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: how you doing. And we're just hanging out down there,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: and we're still it's using great to see you, you know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and you go, uh, you literally go, well, thanks for
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: you know, coming up and welcoming me to the house
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: or whatever.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: And we're like, we just we just kept playing basketball.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Well have fun on that day. You know, we'll see
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: when you get back.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: You want a beer, Yeah, you want a beer.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: We're just shooting hoops drinking beers. It was like, it
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: was so funny because you giggled and I remember you
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: walking away and we're like, does she hate us?
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's sarcastic.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: I remember one thing we went to a go cart
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: track and Bob and I were up pretty late and
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: this was so funny. So like we're pretty hungover and
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: we get to them. We're like, where are we going?
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: And we're like a go cart track and we both
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: start laughing. We're like, it's probably not a good idea
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: right now. First we're going a go cart track. So
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: this guy was like, these things went like five thousand
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: miles an hour, right and there's like nine million turns.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: I could barely see straight, and oh my god. This
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: guy was explaining like, you have to hit this apex.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: He was ultra serious, the guy at the track, at
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: this apex, that apex that he was, you know, over
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: and over and over. So we get to the very
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: end and Bob goes, sir, what's an What does an
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: apex mean?
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: So good.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: He's like, when you hit the apex, you want to
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: make sure that you engage the And I'm like, okay, great.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: He's like, any questions, I just won uh the words
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you've used six thousand times? What is an apex? What?
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I knew what it was, to be fair, I was
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: just teasing interested.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Going back to your point, you said like you would
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: kind of remember the negatives because I just interviewed this
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: pro baseball player, Tyler Matzik, which is coming out tomorrow, and.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: He said that.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: So he was the number one draft pick in high
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: school in like two thousand and nine through ninety nine
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: miles an hour, which is still fast.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: But back then you're like you're like an alien, right,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: and you fast forward? He do you know? He goes
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: to the Atlanta Braves does okay?
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: He goes five and eleven his rookie year, but in
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: his head, he wasn't perfect, and he was just sort
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: of focusing on the negative because he prior to it,
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: he was so good that he developed the yips, so
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: he couldn't throw ten feet all of a sudden. So
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: I'm like, this is a Major League picture. All of
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: a sudden, he couldn't throw ten feet, and I go,
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: where would it go?
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: He's like, well, over my head to my feet.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: Not twenty nineteen, he's living in a He's living in
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: a trailer park in an RV. I don't know IF's
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: a trailer marker. He's living in RV. And then he
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: met this Navy seal who I interviewed, who taught him
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: kind of a different mindset perspective, which is more of
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: the stuff that I tapped into when I was trying
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: to combat anxiety. And twenty one he wins the World
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Series for the Brave strikes out the side Yeah nlcs,
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: including the well what he said I go, what do
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: you think caused it? And he goes, well, when you're
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: a kid, if you really think about it, you only
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: really remember. And this is for adults too, kind of
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: like you said, the highs and the lows, but like
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: the extreme lows, not maybe not a low, but like
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: if somebody's publicly scrutinized, you're going to remember that because
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: you don't like it. And it's not even that it's
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: not even true, So your brain doesn't necessarily forget those things,
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: and they sit in your subconscious and you also remember
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: the highs, but those even you know, some of THO
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: like he just remember as coaches yelling him.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: When he was eight or nine and they were maybe
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: a little over the top.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: And he's like, you know, it's not like I totally
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: remember it, but it sits in your subconscious and it
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: could come out.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: So it's interesting. It's just the extremes I think we
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: deal with.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: You know, I haven't talked about this. I don't feel like,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: not for any reason, or maybe I have. I had
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: a panic attack. I've had a couple of them, and
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that classifies me because I haven't
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: seen a therapist about it. But I don't know if
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: that classifies me as having panic disorder or what, but yeah,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I it was a really really scary situation. Ryan wasn't there.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: It was when we had just announced that he had
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: lime disease, and I thought he was going to lose
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: his job because we were in the press a lot,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and people were calling the fire department like directly and
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: like wanting to pass on messages, wanting them to pass
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: on messages, and you know, they have a lot of
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: other things to worry about other than passing on messages
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: to Ryan. So I got really scared. I remember the
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: weirdest thing. I don't know if you experienced this, but
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: my nose went numb. It like was tingly, and that's
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: that's when I knew something was wrong.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this is really weird.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I guess you have like the.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: Heart racing and you couldn't think you're going to die
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: of a heart attack.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: It's dizzy. Yeah, it was horrible. It's really scary.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: So I'm so sorry that you've experienced this, but I
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: feel like you're helping so many people with your podcast.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: It's called stepping into the fire.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: Stepping into the fire, and then Bob if you don't
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: give me more subscribers, we're gonna call it stepping into.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: The ship pretty soon.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Hey, buddy, we're going to talk all about First of all,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I want to say this, I think you're you're a
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: hilarious guy, and you know, I love you to death,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: But you're actually a really good interviewer. I mean that
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Mike Tyson interviewed, that you've interviewed Mike Tyson. I know
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you've interviewed a couple different professional golfers, baseball players, I mean,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: several big name actors. I mean, the people that you
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: get on your podcasts are just mind blowing. And I've
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I've often asked you. I'm like, how do you get
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: these people? You know? I just reached out to their people,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you know, And but I just think it's crazy that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: you you you've gotten some of these people on there.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: But I mean, you're a really good interviewer, and you know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I think you're great at listening.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Well, I think I'm not. I think that I appreciate
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: you saying that that's a skill I have to work on.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: I think is I interrupt a lot?
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: I watched it. I'm like, what am I doing to
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: stop in repting.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: But a lot of that is like I'm really nervous, right,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: So it's like I'm jumping in when I shouldn't.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: It's just because I'm fighting off nerves, you know what
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I mean?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, ed Ramp guy that.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: I interviewed, so he was going to be the globally
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: the CEO of Caterpillar CEO. It's als right, So he
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: doesn't have a mental health issue and he's got the opposite.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: And so that resonated with me.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Like I said, I couldn't beat anxiety or what I
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: was dealing with in an office I had to confront.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: So the Bachelor was kind of Bacherette was sort of
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: my Mount Everest, so to speak. Right, So if I
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: can go do that, that's all the possible fears I
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: can have. Negative outcomes could come out on that show.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: But for this guy, he's got a term illness. He's
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: about to be ceof Caterpillar. It's a two to five
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: year death sentence. But I get more out of this
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: guy's story than maybe a book or a therapist or
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: anybody else. And I asked him, I said, well, obviously,
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: what you know the depression that you must have felt
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: when you get this diagnosis and he goes, no, I've
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: never been depressed.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I've never been anxious about it. And what he felt
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: was gratitude.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: So it's stories like that because I could get yeah,
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: because I could be negative. I get pretty negative. I
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: get in my own head, as Bob knows. But to
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: hear that, and Bob's super positive. And that's why I
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: like people like that because it gets me out of
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: some of my negative spirals. But like number one, he's
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: thankful for the life he's lived. He's walked his daughter
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: down the aisle, you know, he's done gulfed with his son.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Things like that. He's passed two to five years, he's
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: eleven years in and he's doing well.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: But he didn't follow the kind of typical approach that
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: everybody said, hey, you got two to five years, this
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: is what you're going to do.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: And he said, I don't. I don't operate like that.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: It's just not how I'm wired, and that you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: it was sort of like similar to anxiety.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: But he's trying to beat this thing.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: So it's about, you know, trying to serve other people,
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: which goes back to some of the Navy seals I've
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: interviewed where their motto is kind of embrace the suck
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: and yeah, it's going to be uncomfortable. So going on
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: the battery for me was uncomfortable. But I'm not getting
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: bullet shot right, Yeah, I just look like an idiot
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: on TV. So it's embracing the suck in difficulty. But
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: on the other side of that is like, why is
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: the Navy seal doing that? It's to serve other people.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: So like the beauty of the show, the opportunity that
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: I had with you guys and Tristan for not dumping
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: me day one, which you should have. You give me
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: longer than you show, but you know, to use a
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: show like that as a platform to help other people,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: and I've had when I went on This is funny
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: after Diane Sawyer, I told my story. That was the
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: first place I really told it, I think, and I
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: didn't plan on it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I just did.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: And they're like, well, what are you doing with it?
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, I've got a I've got a book.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: I didn't have a book. And then they're like, well,
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: where can we find out more information on you? And
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: I said, well on my website. I didn't have a website,
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: So you knew these things. So we're walking off the
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: show and Bob goes, you don't have a book or
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: a website to you, and I go, I go, no,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: You're like, we better call my web hosting guy and
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: like get a website, and.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Ye, yeah we got you hooked up pretty quick.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it led to a book and it led
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: to But I had six million emails after talking about
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: that on Oprah and Diansaur from people that had that
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: were suicidal, that were depressed, that were anxious, especially teenagers,
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: but just people that had never talked about it, because
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: I don't think people, especially a guy, that had ever
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: really talked about mental health. Now it's a little more
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: obviously out there and the stigma's been.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Broken, but yeah, post COVID, it's definitely out there more.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, it wasn't. It wasn't then, It
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't something.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have to say I think that it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: still uh requires attention, you know. I don't think that
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: people talk about it near enough. So thank you for
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: what you're doing with your podcast and just being really
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: talking about it and coming on the podcast.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Thank you guys.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Finally did it. We did it. We finally got him
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: on here.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much. I know it was difficult.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: I was actually dealing with my own anxiety, so that
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: was some of that avoidance and finally I had a confronted.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: So thanks for coming in there with me.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: We love you, buddy, and congratulate.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: I love you guys.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much. It's great, great seeing you, Trista, Bob.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: We'll see it see in the next light you got.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: We love you too, brother.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Love you too. That our good thank you.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Trista. Isn't he something he is?
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: He's such a great guy.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I'm so thankful he was on the season, and you
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: know he is he's always self depreciating, always, you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: like he I just wish he believed in himself more,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: you know, and that goes out to all all people
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: who you know, deal with anxiety and panic disorders. I
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: just if I could do anything, you know, Yeah, no,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I give them some belief in themselves.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So see, that's your big heart, that's your big heart,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that's your you know, that's where you come from. Which
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: which uh, you know, it was just a perfect storm.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I think it was a perfect storm that we were
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: all on that show together and became friends and right
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you know, and then you know, Jamie and I like,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love it because you know, Ryan, Jamie
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and I are on a text thread together too, by
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the way, and we touched it through it now and then,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: and you know, it's so nice to have that relationship
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that's continued on for twenty some years, I mean longer
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: than you know, some conventional friendships that you might have
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: had along the way. And here we are, twenty three
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: years later, still talking and that you and I all
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the time, and it's pretty awesome, you know. So I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: thank you for that. I thank you for that very much.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Of course, right back at you, and thanks for tuning in.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Guys.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know when we're going to talk next, but
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: hopefully we can figure something out because we miss we
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: miss chatting with all of you. I miss the ogs,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: and I know that we have a lot to talk
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: about coming up with Golden and Paradise, and I know
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: that Ashley and Ben will be doing lots of that.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: But and then we'll have another Dancing with the Stars season.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I know that they're casting for Special Forces, so hopefully
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: that will be coming up soon. So I don't know
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: who knows what's in the works, but if you want
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: to hear from anyone in the OG REALM, let us
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: know we'd love to have them on.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we would for sure. Well, I love this day.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thanks everybody for watch out listen
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: for the almost famous ogs. I love you, my friend
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Trista Sutter, Nate Wren and I had to throw it
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: in there and I can't wait until next time. M