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Movie Review Rewind, Ep. 66: 12 Angry Men (1957) · Nashville Movie Dispatch

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  Speaker 1: Flipping back to calendar to examine notable films throughout cinema history,
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  Speaker 1: the good, the bad, and everything in between. This is
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  Speaker 1: movie Review Rewind on.
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  Speaker 2: Nashville Movie Dispatch. Welcome back for another episode of movie
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  Speaker 2: Review Rewind Here on Nashville Movie Dispatch. I'll be your
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  Speaker 2: board member of the Music City Film Critics Association. He
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  Speaker 2: is a member of the Southeastern Film Critics Association. He's
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  Speaker 2: our resident film critic here at Nashville Movie Dispatch. Mister
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  Speaker 2: big shot himself Brandon Vick. Brandon, how you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: My man?
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  Speaker 3: Doing good? This time of year, always think about sweaty bowls.
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  Speaker 2: Well it is August.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, there you golle Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious your opinion. Worse weather month in Nashville, Tennessee
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  Speaker 2: August or January?
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  Speaker 3: Now, I say AUGUSTA. I don't mind cold weather. I
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  Speaker 3: don't mind ice storms. I don't mind you get like
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  Speaker 3: you lose power, you're scared for your life.
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  Speaker 2: You're out for a week.
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  Speaker 3: I only lost power for twelve hours. So these old
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  Speaker 3: quesses need to suck it up.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good, but that'll go over I will.
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  Speaker 3: I'm fine. There's the me. You can clothe yourself blankets.
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  Speaker 3: But when it's hot, it's hot, when you are just
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  Speaker 3: butt ass naked and you're still hot, what are you
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  Speaker 3: gonna do?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Ice water, getting an ice bath, like an ice
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  Speaker 2: un yeah, ice plunge. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's an in between. I think the spring
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  Speaker 4: with the storms, tornadoes.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good point in this area. It's a good point.
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  Speaker 3: Well, listen, that's Brett, and Brett's birthday is in August,
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  Speaker 3: and so, but I have a question because Stony always
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  Speaker 3: was lucky. You always had your birthday in the summer September.
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  Speaker 3: It was always after school, but you sort of got
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  Speaker 3: to have it. And then it ended up where we
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  Speaker 3: did start school like August.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, when when I was younger, school started later, so.
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  Speaker 3: I was in the middle of August, right, it's.
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  Speaker 4: Real something something or late August something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But high school was middle high school was early August, right,
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  Speaker 2: early college like borderline.
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  Speaker 3: So I was in basketball all year. You didn't really
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  Speaker 3: go to class.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: I did remember that.
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  Speaker 3: I would watch it blinds and he'd be playing one
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  Speaker 3: on one with someone. I thought, oh, I guess he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have last today.
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  Speaker 2: You know I did, I just didn't go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pleasant day.
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  Speaker 4: I remember what you're saying, like, I get the reference
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  Speaker 4: you're making, But for a moment I thought you were
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  Speaker 4: saying he was on the MTSU basketball.
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  Speaker 3: He should have been. There was a time where him
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  Speaker 3: and I played and people came over and take a
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  Speaker 3: cord and we just sat there as though, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: I guess we're being pushed out.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but anytime it was a nice day, Stony. Really,
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  Speaker 3: you really couldn't count on him going to class and
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  Speaker 3: taking the show.
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  Speaker 4: When it got to the spring.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, well, sometime this past whatever, you made a comment
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  Speaker 3: someone said about doing something during score. You're like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, anytime it was nice we could shoot the ball.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought this guy like you're gonna say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you have a test man, you know, the some hoops.
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  Speaker 2: First I was I was a little cocky in college,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought to myself, I'm good enough at everything
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  Speaker 2: that I do that i can skip class and I'll
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  Speaker 2: still be all right in this in this class.
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  Speaker 3: And when you graduated a year later.
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  Speaker 2: What happened was one day I showed up to class
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  Speaker 2: for my Drugs and Alcohol class, where the entire grade
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  Speaker 2: for the entire semester was based off of three test scores.
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  Speaker 2: And I showed up to class one day after playing
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  Speaker 2: basketball at our apartment complex because it was a nice day,
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  Speaker 2: deciding I'm not going to go to class today. I
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  Speaker 2: showed up to class the next time and there were
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  Speaker 2: test scores posted on the wall, and I realized I
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  Speaker 2: skipped on a day that there was a test in
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  Speaker 2: a class where our entire grade. But you know what's
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  Speaker 2: what's frustrating about that is that my other two test
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  Speaker 2: scores in that class prior to that point were a
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  Speaker 2: ninety eight and a ninety six, and that's what it is.
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  Speaker 2: And then I got a zero on the third one, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and failed the class. I remember jealous, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was quite jealous of you two, because either it
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  Speaker 3: was either Stoney had like pure confidence, and the classes
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  Speaker 3: you were taking were like you would just like, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, I'm gonna skip this class and go catch butterflies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I would get a C or a
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  Speaker 2: B in that class.
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  Speaker 3: And then but even worse is Brett would And sometimes
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  Speaker 3: we're in the same class together, and it's like you studied,
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  Speaker 3: let's just say two nights before, and we would get
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  Speaker 3: our test scories and I would get like a C
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  Speaker 3: and you would get an A.
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  Speaker 2: Mis I'm like, god, the son of a bit, Like
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  Speaker 2: I feel like going up to.
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  Speaker 3: The teacher and say, hey, just so you know, this
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  Speaker 3: fucking guy is.
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  Speaker 4: Not even studies, so you know, but you know, we
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  Speaker 4: all have our gifts.
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  Speaker 3: It is no and you did and I and I
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  Speaker 3: I have said this to my wife before. I said,
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  Speaker 3: I would be jealous. I would really be jealous of Brett.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, and Stoney had his own thing too,
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  Speaker 3: where like you just clicked with it. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: but if Brett and I were in the same class,
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  Speaker 3: it was almost a curse. Because it's not that I
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  Speaker 3: thought I could do better than Brett, but I I
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  Speaker 3: didn't the effort I put in in the weeks that
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  Speaker 3: try to memorize and I know he wouldn't do it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but when he comes back, and especially writing, you were
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  Speaker 3: always you were always really good at the writing classes
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  Speaker 3: and come back and it was like even as a
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  Speaker 3: minus would be plug whatever it may be. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: just like I couldn't get there, and I'm just like, god, dang,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like I don't know what. I'm like what to do,
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  Speaker 3: and like remember the science class we were all in,
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  Speaker 3: which was a shot yeah, which was a ship showed
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  Speaker 3: with Yeah, so to get any kind of decent grade.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm like, oh my gosh, and like and because
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  Speaker 3: in high school I didn't I didn't study that much memorization.
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  Speaker 3: Aced it moved on and in college was a bit
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  Speaker 3: of a bit of a wake up call where like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I do have to put him more than maybe like
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  Speaker 3: the other people.
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  Speaker 4: You were very diligent.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. And part of it was OCD. I
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  Speaker 3: think now that I've gotten older, and I think I
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  Speaker 3: and there's the parts of me that just knew, like
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  Speaker 3: I do remember recognizing that you guys like I could
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  Speaker 3: I some things I could do and some things I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't do that you guys could. And it was a
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  Speaker 3: figuring out process, which I think college was great for.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's great for a lot of things,
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  Speaker 3: but I do think it kind of woke me up
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  Speaker 3: to like, Okay, you know what, these guys can do
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  Speaker 3: it in a week. I need an extra week. I've
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  Speaker 3: got to do this, this, this, I've got to read.
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  Speaker 2: But then also, well, this guy got a zero on
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  Speaker 2: his test because he was playing basketball.
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  Speaker 3: But well, let me say I would say, oh, it's
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  Speaker 3: a sunny day outside.
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  Speaker 2: This is where I will say, I do remember, I
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  Speaker 2: do remember you you had to have somebody proof read
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  Speaker 2: all of your papers.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, and I think Brett. Yeah, and Brett did a
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  Speaker 3: lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember I remember at the time thinking he
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  Speaker 2: always goes to Brett. I think, I think he thinks
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  Speaker 2: I'm stupid. Oh, but then I thought, but then I thought, oh,
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  Speaker 2: but this is Brett's problem to deal with.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the thing. But here's the thing. I never
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  Speaker 3: thought that, but I knew that he knew. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 3: I thought, I thought, well, Stoney's catching grasshoppers. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to bother him. Brett could do it at eight
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  Speaker 3: o'clock at night after a guitar hero and we'll be good,
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  Speaker 3: oh man, and he does and and and I did.
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  Speaker 3: I really I relied on both of you, guys. I
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  Speaker 3: think a lot where my confidence has kind of grown
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  Speaker 3: since then, But like, oh yeah, there's things where I
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  Speaker 3: know I asked you to do. I know, I asked
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  Speaker 3: you to do a lot in that and you could
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  Speaker 3: read it. But the thing is, and both of.
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  Speaker 2: You were good.
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  Speaker 3: But you could Brett. You could read it very quickly
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  Speaker 3: and say hey, this, this and this, and it was
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  Speaker 3: very it was it was very simple.
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  Speaker 2: But I knew, like, oh, whereas if you handed it
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 3: You need to put down your basketball, remember you're not playing.
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  Speaker 3: I would racketball. We would go play racquetball. That was fun.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, hey, man, this is good, having not
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  Speaker 2: read a single word of it, so that I could go.
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  Speaker 3: Find this looks fine. I got some friends to play
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  Speaker 3: bad and I hope you're in fairness.
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  Speaker 4: I was pursuing like a writing you, which ironically the
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  Speaker 4: two of you may do more in the field of
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  Speaker 4: one of you absolutely does in the field of journalism
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  Speaker 4: than I do at this point.
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  Speaker 3: That's true sports psychology and just regular psychology. And I
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  Speaker 3: did mass calm with film studies. There was there's some
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  Speaker 3: there is some truth to that. But I I even
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  Speaker 3: remember telling my wife, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I have these two guys like you weren't even in
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  Speaker 3: the class. Zoom, can you read that? But there was
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  Speaker 3: always a running joke about if it was a pretty day,
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  Speaker 3: you couldn't find I mean, he may just be right
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  Speaker 3: over here in the apartment, or he may have been
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  Speaker 3: on campus.
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  Speaker 2: There were there were times, I'm not even sure if
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  Speaker 2: you guys are aware of this. There were times that
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  Speaker 2: I would fill my backpack up and I always I
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  Speaker 2: always had a change of clothes in my backpack just
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  Speaker 2: in case. Like I remember Andrew Begley, our buddy, our
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  Speaker 2: buddy Begley being like, hey, I'm going I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: the rec center, and I'd be like, all right, I'll
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  Speaker 2: meet you there. We'll go shoot some basketball. There were
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  Speaker 2: times when I would get on our shuttle from our
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  Speaker 2: apartment to campus and I would have a change of
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  Speaker 2: clothes in my bag, and I would get to the
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  Speaker 2: building that my class was in and just be like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to do this, and I would turn
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  Speaker 2: around and go to the record.
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  Speaker 3: Remember playing and Begley was definitely a part of it,
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  Speaker 3: and I twisted my ankle because I was trying to
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  Speaker 3: hit it like a volley path. And then and then
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  Speaker 3: like two days later, I was in an art class
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  Speaker 3: and I was walking back and I miss stepped on
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  Speaker 3: the sidewalk and twisted the same ankle. Yeah, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I remember my gosh, we were the In case anybody
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  Speaker 3: doesn't know, we all three lived in a dorm together,
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  Speaker 3: and we were the hall monitors. And I loved just
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  Speaker 3: finding anything. And Begley was he was a good sport.
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  Speaker 3: But he would come in and that backpack would be
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  Speaker 3: filled with god knows from, you know, Andrew Jackson liquors.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he had that thing for him, like, oh
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  Speaker 3: where are you going? And he would smile and stuff
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  Speaker 3: because you know, no one really took us.
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  Speaker 2: Sat well, you weren't supposed to have it in the
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  Speaker 2: dorm either, right.
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  Speaker 3: Part of it was like enforcing the rules, but we
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  Speaker 3: also knew that, like people are fucking the showers, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna tell them anybody. I'm not gonna tell
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  Speaker 3: Stu's time here. I'm not gonna tell him what's going on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he was fifty three, and but but it was it
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  Speaker 3: was I miss. I don't know about you, guys, I
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  Speaker 3: miss that time because it's it's so stupid. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 3: it's also very much of like we really didn't take
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  Speaker 3: like we truly didn't take anything that seriously, even if
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  Speaker 3: it was something serious, like we had no participation in.
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  Speaker 3: We thought it was funny to point it out as
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  Speaker 3: if we had total experience in drinking whatever whatever the
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  Speaker 3: case may be. And people would come up and like
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  Speaker 3: in the doors and they bring girls over. We had
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  Speaker 3: a good friend, Zach who lived with us, and anytime
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  Speaker 3: a girl came over, it, yeah I would. Yeah, I've
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  Speaker 3: just showed up in underwear and chocolate milk and.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine? I mean, and now that we're older,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to have it happen. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 2: trying to make love to a woman in your bedroom
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  Speaker 2: while the three of us are out there doing who
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  Speaker 2: knows what?
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  Speaker 3: And it was like it was a goal, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he was a trooper and he's still with his wife.
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  Speaker 3: Stafey got bust him his coach.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's not going to be able to post any
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  Speaker 2: of this.
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  Speaker 4: He's a real adult.
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  Speaker 3: He is, He's a real adult. But I just I
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  Speaker 3: loved the idea and we had a friend Brandon McCall
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  Speaker 3: and like I, I love the idea of just taking
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  Speaker 3: something that was was I mean, in all honesty, it
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  Speaker 3: was purely innocent. But if I could, but if I
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  Speaker 3: could twist it anyway, I will certainly trying those times
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  Speaker 3: where we three had conversations and maybe we had girls
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  Speaker 3: that we liked. I had plenty of conversations with Brett
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  Speaker 3: about ladies and it was and it was it was
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  Speaker 3: actually rather serious at the time, which it seems stupid now,
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  Speaker 3: but but it brings me back to So Brett's birthdays
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  Speaker 3: in August, it's about a month from mine, and it's
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  Speaker 3: always in and you said, you we may sometimes we
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  Speaker 3: celebrated because an hour where we lived the County Fair.
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  Speaker 4: Which is now the same count which is now the state,
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  Speaker 4: biggest fair in the state, and it's always white. The
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  Speaker 4: spectacle always get a.
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  Speaker 2: Little nostalgic this time of year, thinking about like those
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  Speaker 2: college days and the excitement of like the Wilson County
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  Speaker 2: Fair being like the last thing we'd do that summer
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  Speaker 2: before we went back to school. The three of us
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  Speaker 2: would go back to Murphysboro, which was twenty minutes down
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  Speaker 2: the road from where I grew up. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: we did have friends that would go to Knoxville, that
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  Speaker 2: would go out of state, that would drift away.
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  Speaker 3: From some didn't go to college because they were stupid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that too, Yeah that too something. But yeah, like
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  Speaker 2: it always does this time of year. It's my favorite
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  Speaker 2: time of year because I mean, obviously, like football seasons,
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  Speaker 2: around the corner falls my favorite season. It's around the corner.
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  Speaker 2: But there is this sort.
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  Speaker 3: Of I don't know what this is it because we
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  Speaker 3: know what we used to do.
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  Speaker 2: When we were it brings back memories of just how
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  Speaker 2: exciting it was back then and how many good memories
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  Speaker 2: we made.
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  Speaker 3: Like you met a lot of people, you went into people, but.
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  Speaker 4: Certain sites and smelling Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 3: Now you guys, tell me it happened. I really, I
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  Speaker 3: really don't think I was part of the second one,
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  Speaker 3: but we were thrown up on twice in one at
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  Speaker 3: least one of it. And I remember I had this
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  Speaker 3: second ass Abercrombie and Fit shirt that said joker and
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  Speaker 3: I thought, oh this is perfect.
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  Speaker 2: You were hot.
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  Speaker 3: Shit, I was strutting. I thought for sure girls were
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  Speaker 3: gonna blow me. I didn't know how sex.
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  Speaker 2: Right there on the midway I thought.
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  Speaker 3: For sure, for thirty two dollars for this shirt, this
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  Speaker 3: is this is bound, this is bound to happen. And
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  Speaker 3: so but I remember us three and I and you
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  Speaker 3: guys made I don't We were walking by it and
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know what we were doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you we were meeting girls.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we were in line for anything.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, we weren't.
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  Speaker 3: In the text, I can get with that.
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  Speaker 2: Then the call we had was, hey, we're in line
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  Speaker 2: to get on the Starship Troopers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. That spunk, which is something that spun around.
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  Speaker 4: Right, because I was wondering were we meeting girls or
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  Speaker 4: were we.
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  Speaker 2: Hoping to meet We were meeting girls.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, we were already there and we had It
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  Speaker 3: wasn't like we got there because of them.
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  Speaker 2: That's let's make this distinction. We were meeting girls that
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  Speaker 2: we thought, oh we've got a shot with They thought that.
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  Speaker 3: I remember putting a cloth and thought I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: man them.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but they said, hey, we're in line. They
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  Speaker 2: called and said we're in line.
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  Speaker 3: Because was a very big ride.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know if text was a thing at
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  Speaker 2: the time, but it was like, hey, we're in line
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  Speaker 2: to get on this ride, come meet us here. So
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  Speaker 2: we had gone to the ride not to get on
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  Speaker 2: the ride, but to wait for it to come off
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  Speaker 2: of it. So we were standing at the fence literally
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: watching the thing spin around in front of us.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: As I have explained it to us, it was like
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: a hot soup hot rain, and I had, yes hot rain.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I thought, I really thought it was raining, but it
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: was warm, and a piece of lettuce was on my shoulder,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: so gross, I remember it to this day. But here's
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: the thing you remembers let us on my shoulder is
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: the part that was on your mouth? Oh my god.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: But here's my question. Do y'all remember which one said
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: I think someone threw up because I did not. I
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: don't think I said it, and I don't think it
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: registered in like one of you said it. And then
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: it really clicked in.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: My mind the memory. In my mind, I felt the
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: hot rain as you described it, which is perfect, and
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: then it kind of fades to black in my mind.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: So I remember going to the bathroom after the fact
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: and trying to wipe it down. And we're laughing because
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Stony talked about it was in his mouth or on
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: his lip.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: So no, here's what happened. Yeah, here's my memory of it.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: We were laughing at you because you had this big
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: chunk of lettuce and we were like, we were like, oh,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: look at this. Can you believe Brandon got thrown.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Out one of some one of you said I think
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: it's raining. Somebody said it was him. It was because
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I thought this is strange, but I don't think anybody
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: saw a fragment of anything until I said something my
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: shirt and then it.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Became a hym so I was I said something stupid,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: like look at Brandon, look at this chunk of lettuce
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: on his shirt, and he goes, dude, you've got it
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: on your mouth. And I was like, what it's like, dude,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: it's on your mouth. And I remember reaching up and
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: feeling like this creamy, chunky substance on my lips, right
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: but I and I remember thinking like, oh my god,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: this changes everything. And then I looked down and it
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: was just like all across my shirt and then we
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: were like, what.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Are parents about? Like, I remember being like, well.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: We had to. We had to tell the girls that
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: we were there to meet, like, hey, such a lame thing.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: We were trying so hard to impress the girl was.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: It and Brett will know more than was it? Was
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: it for you? I don't remember liking anybody that I don't.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I don't even remember who we were meeting a certain girl.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I think you talked about that.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: If that was the next you haven't gotten to like
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: college is what I really remember with you.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: It is perfect that we really thought we were cool
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: going to meet you, and this is how it turned out.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: It really is a movie.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: We had to take our shirts off and walk out.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: We must have known shirts or something because.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I was wearing I was wearing a wife beater, which
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: probably a white shirt in hindsight, makes matters even worse.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: You just fit in really well that I was.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Gonna say it will, but I that was a Did
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: we leave right after that?
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: I'm surely we recover from that. Yeah, I don't know,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: just go do something fun after that.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: But I do feel like we like we did tell
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: a few people, like I told someone threw up on us,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Like at this bring bring around.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I told I told the girls about it, and that
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: speaks to my ability with women. Yeah, instead of just
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: being like yeah, you know what, something came up, we
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: had to bounce like I was like, no, we got
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: we got thrown up. I swear we were going to
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: hang out with what are the odds?
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I feel like, what are the odds of it happening
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: a year later? Too?
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I think I dodged that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: One more memory for you that either of us.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I don't think any of us remember.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: The odds are astronomical.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: That's why it is the same spot.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: So well, it might have.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you. Can I just say, I can't
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: wait till people realize what movie we're going to talk
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: about after this, But.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I really, well everybody, everybody that pressed play on.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: This twelve angry men, they really are tied together.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: That I've already noted. Start the podcast at twenty minutes
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: if you want to actually hear the movie talk. But
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the second you're the second time, I might have been
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the only one that got thrown up on now that
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I think about, truly, And it wasn't it wasn't that
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: bad because I kept it going that night. It was
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: like something I think I took my shirt off. I
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: was wearing an undershirt, so I think I took my
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: shirt off and kept going that night. But it was
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the same ride.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Well, you had been there before you've been ready.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just I was like, oh, none got
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: on my face this time or in my mouth, Like
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I'll just wipe this off my shirt.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I kind of remember that of like the odds, but
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I don't remember all three of us.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: You know what it was? I was wearing a T
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: shirt and one of those like plaid remember those like
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: plaid short sleep button up shirts that were all the rage. Yes,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: a Abercrombie pitch. I was wearing one of those. It
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: got on that shirt, so I took it off and
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: just like.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: But you know, you've always been a beefy boy.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: I really am hopeful for the idea of somebody skipping
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: to twenty minutes and just the first thing they hear
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: is none of it got in my.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Mouth this time.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Luckily we didn't have a story where you had something, okay,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: before we get.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: To August is a core memory month, Yes it is.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if this happened in August, maybe
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: it happened July. But I literally was talking about this
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: less than a month ago. I talked about the river stages.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I missridding.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: This is going to turn out to be its own episode,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: and I have a lot to.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Say it is and I don't know what you remember
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: of it. And it was definitely because you liked a girl.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And I thought, why am I in here? Why am
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I in here? Like this is not who this is
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: not who I am. But I remember and and I
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: have family who are younger than me who have listened
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: to these bands. They've never seen them.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I have seen them.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: We have seen them. We have gone. Finger eleven did
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: not register.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you were about to say, story
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: of the.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Year, which is part of my story. And I said,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: you know, I said there was a thing, and I
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: don't think it even happened. The next year, I said,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: me is Stony and Brett. We go to this thing
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: and it's and it's good. We all know these bands,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I said, But for some reason, I think, oh, I'm
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: going to stand up at the at the gate, right
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: up front, and I said, there's a buddy in my
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Brett and there's a groy likes, I said. But I
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: turned back and I see Stony on the pedestrian bridge
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: and seems really piece.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I got the hell out a great time.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Puddle of MUD's playing or somebody the story of the year.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: It's bright before the Story of the Year when he
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: goes up smile, empty soul and I think finger level
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: was after yeah, and and and some of my wife's
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: family and everything know who these bands are, and some
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: of them were apparently still touring, which is amazed. I'm amazing.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I said, well, I did it because it's with a buddy.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: He's with a growling, like I said, And then about
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: five minutes in a fuck, I don't really think I
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: should be up here anymore because I can't go anywhere.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: People are pushing in the pit right, which is the
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: worst thing for me. I can't do that. I will say, Bretton,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: you did handle it better. I don't know what came
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: of it, but you did handle it better.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Can I get some credit? I feel like I have.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: You did when I when I tell this story, I say,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: you know, I should have just followed them up there,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: because that is was my kind of.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: It was a great show from the pedestrian bridge.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: But I just remember being pushed, and you know, as
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: you're pushed, it's like I'm being Yeah, I'm being beefed.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know about who. I don't know about who.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Everybody's swaying to a certain way and again it's specifically
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: story of the Year, which is crazy to me at
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: this point, which I guess they still do stuff, but
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, it was a good time and stuff.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, if I ever did again, because I've
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: talked about where we went to star Wood and we
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: went to the.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Buzz Fest, yes, and mud Vein.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Always I would try and stay away from it, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: it was fun, but I didn't want to be part
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: of it. And I'm like river Stages was the closest thing,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: and I thought, Okay, I'm gonna do this, and I
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: think there's maybe one person like you and and and
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: someone else and me, but it was like maybe one
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: person between that guardrail and I will never forget looking
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: at Stony looking down at us. And later I thought, fuck,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I should have just gone out there. I really, like,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I really thought, like I'm not that big of a
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: fan of this, Brett would be fine whatever happens.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: It would actually probably have left because.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Maybe but I'm gonna say ship to them because I'm
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: sitting here, like, you know, messing with Keith, who's trying
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: to slip his thumb up my hand, Like it's not
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: even about them. Anymore. I'm just like I I just
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: want to get through. But it was so like we had.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: I remember us having such a good time, and I
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: have told my brother in laws, I'm like, I wish
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: you guys would have known these things, because literally within
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: a year or two they were gone. And it sucks.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: River Stages, man, we are unlocked. That was for some
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: core August memories here with river Stages. Buzzfest was in September.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: We recently talked about what's the one we did Atlanta?
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, river Stages. That is what you're describing
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: as Sunday because it was all weekends Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Sunday.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: And to me, it's a lesson in what matters long
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: term and what sticks with you. You know what My
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: biggest thing about River Stages is we Friday night, got
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: there early. We were in the very front row on
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: the river to see switch Foot and somebody else.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: After that, Rokes food Fighters were the Friday night we left.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: We left like we left the front row for the
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: food fighters, and I regret that so much too now
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: every day.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: It was fun and I remember it, but at the
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: time and.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I don't think we stayed the whole time. I think
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: we think we left mid show for them, which we
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: were sleepy. What were we doing sweepy?
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were just little boys.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Do you regret making me stand
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: up there now? As you see life has turned out
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: and you've met the woman.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Of your Sure, Yeah, you know what's funny, Because I ever.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: Saw her, I'd say, you know what, you you know
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: what's what's funny is even even the person I had
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: interests at the time, That doesn't matter anymore.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: But what even doesn't matter more than that? That was
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: my favorite band, the Yeah, And we waited to meet
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: them to like sign something, and I think I was
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: the last one in line and one of them, one
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: of them said to the other as we walked up,
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: don't let the door hit you where the good lord?
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Split disappointed and just thought like they don't care about
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: this at all, and.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Give about them anymore because I don't think they do anything.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: But but can we agree that was an awesome festival.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: That was it was great time stages and how cheap
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: it was actually pretty cheap?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean back in the day. I don't I
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: don't know that they could talk like that off today.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: No, they wouldn't be able to do it. We literally
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: have talked thirty five minutes.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Thirty minutes? Yeah, are we angry men? Are we ready
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to talk about twelve Angry Men? Time out? Okay, all right,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: we're back. We took a pause to get all of
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: our nostalgia out because we are here to actually talk
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: about a movie. We are here to talk about nineteen
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: fifty seven's Twelve Angry Men. This is widely considered one
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: of the greatest films ever made. And I don't know
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: about you, guys, I had not seen it prior to
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: us agreeing to do this podcast.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Well you even got scared that you watched the wrong version.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't realize there's a ninety seven. I'm assuming
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: it's a remake.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Repeat, yes, with Tony Danza and some.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Other Oh no, you're you serious?
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I think more.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I think, oh wow, write that down.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Jack Lemon.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm just telling I'm just making a Jackleman.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's true, Jack Lemon, isn't it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I'm making a note for people to start the podcast
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: at thirty minutes instead of twenty mantes, to.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Skip about the Wilson County Fair.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: To skip the Old Men, reminiscing about the good old days. Okay,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: we're just burping into the microphone.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: That came out of nowhere. I can't edit that out.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Tony Danza is in the ninety seven version. Is Jack
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Jack Lemon, isn't it?
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Which does he play the Henry fond of character?
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I feel like if Jack Lemon's in anything.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Should be good. Yeah, it should be.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Am I mistaken or was he a producer on the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven version.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Jack Leman?
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know?
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Can I? Can I share something? When I was watching
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: twelve Angrimen, which I had not seen before, I'm glad
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: I did. One of the guys and I forgot his
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: character's name. Is the grandpa in Problem Choeng?
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Really? Yes, I had no idea.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: He is the one that wears the hat for the
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: most part, and he's one of the last ones to
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: come around before the main guy. And I forgot his name,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: but he is. His voice sounds the same, but it is.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: It is him, And he's been in like, he's been
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: a ton of stuff between fifty sixties and seven. He's
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: been nominated like for two Oscars. But I still remember
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: him as the grandfather and Problem child, What.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: A way to be remembered?
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Jack Lemon is jur number eight? Who's the Henry Fonderot
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: that makes sense?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I got that?
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Okay? All right?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know where do you guys want
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to start with this one, because it's kind of it
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: feels like a daunting task to kind of take on
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: one of these films that I considered one of the
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: greatest of all time.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: I've got something because I I feel like this is
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: said commonly, but I think it's true. People often say
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: something is a perfect film. I think this may actually
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: be one.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I don't disagree with it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I don't disagree with it, and I think for what
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: it's trying to do, it it's quite flawless. And I
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: right off the bat, whatever the court case they're trying
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: to side, having them tell it from their view is
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I think highly effective. And the fact that it starts
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: with Henry Fonders during number eight by saying, well, wait,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: and it slowly becomes something more and you are literally
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: told you're kind of being described what's happened?
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what is this?
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: What is that? The key witness? How? How you know?
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: How trustworthy is it? And oh the glass like there's
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: so many things where they're piecing together and you're piecing together, right,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: But there's also the performances in general, everybody's establishing themselves
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: on how they feel. Henry Fond is kind of the first,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: the only one that says, hey, wait, and it's not
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: even like I think it is.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Hey, reasonable doubts, and should we not at least have
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the conversation about this? Should we not at least ask
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: the question? And it's it's a really interesting angle.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: I don't think that I've even thought much about, like
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: from a big picture perspective what you just described, which
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: is we do not know what the case is when
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: the movie starts and they have to paint the entire
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: picture from their conversation.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: And you're getting just their perspectives of it. So then
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: it feeds into your insight, your prejudice, How do you
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: see it, how do you classify it? And it's very
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: much relevant to today, which is always I think, is
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: a case where it stands, you know, it stands against
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: time of what it is and what they're trying to say.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: And and there's a point where without giving much away,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: which I mean is from the.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Fifties, buddy spoiler, but it is one.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Of those that then you kind of bring in personal
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: reasons and where how you see someone, and even when
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: the facts point left, you can't help but look right
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: and you want to make sense of it. You desperately
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: want to make sense of it. And I feel they
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: do such a great job. And I'll let Stony talk
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: because I know he said something about the way they
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: filmed stuff on how the characters introduced into when you
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: kind of get to the kind of end of the film.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: But I will say that it is something that is
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: where I noticed it kind of immediately where I'm like,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: but because of when it's filmed, they're like, well, that
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: could just be the actor and stuff, and some of
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: it is the sweat, but as it goes on you
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: kind of realize. And then I ended up reading some
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: articles about it where it's intentional and it's a as
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: if you had the person, their life is in your hands. Yeah,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: so that pressure just keeps building and and then I mean,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: obviously within the film they make comments about how hot
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: it is and stuff too, but I thought it was
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: such a nice touch because it's something as easy as
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: coming in and all of them can say, hey, yeah,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: he's guilty. Get rid of them, and you know he's
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: you know, they show him he's like eighteen year old, right,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: but innocent to proven guilty, And to Stony's point, it's
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: beyond a reasonable doubt. So if there's anything comes in,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: then what is it? And what I really liked about
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: it even way back then is the pure honesty. And
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: there's several occasions where I think this sufficient answer is
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know, yeah, And if you say I don't know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: then that means there's.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: A reasonable yeah. By the way, it didn't even intend
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: for this to happen, for this to be one of
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: the August episodes, but it is one of the sweatiest
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: movies I've seen in quite a while, so it kind
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: of fits with the time and it makes total sense. Yea.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And it is interesting to hear that because it does
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: kind of feel like the tension in this film and
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the anxiety produced out of it does really ramp up
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the deeper we get into the film. But what I
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: was telling Brandon earlier, Brett is that this film was
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: shot when they get in the room, it is a
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: continuous scene for like seven minutes straight of the camera
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: kind of sweeping around the room, and it's really interesting
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: to watch the characters kind of lay the groundwork for
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: what's to come, because they are kind of trying to
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: feel each other out, like what is you know? Who
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: are you? Who am I? Like? What do we believe? Yeah,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: so there is this kind of really interesting scene and
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I love the way it was shot. But also there's
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: another element of it where the film was shot or
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: that scene was shot from above eye level, where you're
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: kind of looking down everybody kind of feels a little
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: more spaced apart, a little further apart. As the film
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: goes on, we get more tight shots, more close ups,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: and by the end, like we're really focusing on people's
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: faces as they talk. It's kind of designed to I
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: don't want to say claustrophobic, but it's really designed to
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: bring you into that room as the tensions rise. And
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I told Brandon like, and this is naivety on my part,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: but to think that this was made in nineteen fifty seven,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: it's like, that's really really smart, really advanced kind of filmmaking.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: And this was the feature debut of Sydney Lamett. Yeah,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: so that's a big that's a big deal.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: That is something that I would hear about a movie
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: made today and be impressed with much less back in
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven, and and so it just kind of
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: adds that layer of depth to the film for me.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Well, And I think the reason that I miss the
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: piece about there painting the full picture of the case.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: For you, you know, obviously it's there, but I didn't think
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: about it from a big perspective is because of what
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: you just said, is because there's so much attention given
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: to not only are they doing that the way that
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: they paint that picture, they are revealing their character a
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: little bit at a time for each one of them
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: as they go around, and so they're doing both of
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: those things simultaneously.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen that much attention to details since Thomas
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: James The Punisher. Yeah, but yeah, it was a very
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: much of a nice introduction to those characters and then
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: start to peel away whatever their motives or prejudice is happening.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: But there's also a real, i think a real substantial
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: part of it of it's not so much and there's
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: and there's definitely parts of it in the film where
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: it's not that the kid maybe didn't.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Do it, but you don't know.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: And there's a whole part of this judicial system that
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: is supposed to work, and you're trusting these guys, which
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: happen to be all white guys, which I think, I mean,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: which is another part of it. Yeah, And there's one
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: of them where I think one of the best scenes
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: is when I don't know, forgive me, I don't in
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: the character, but when he sits at a separate table
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: and everybody starts turning their back towards him, like you've
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: hurt enough, right, Everybody gets up and turns it. And
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: there's a there's a piece of that that says, Okay,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: you're you're letting too much in and you're and and
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: you're you're trying to twist this into something that maybe
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: it's not, and it is that you know, innocent to
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: proven guilty. And I really think on scenes like that
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: where you kind of let your true colors show, it
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: doesn't always mean that's what that's what it is, and
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: that's what the judges during executioner issue implies and what
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: and what and what these people have been doing and
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: and there's a couple of scenes where he's kind of like, well,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: you know these people and you know how they do,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: and it and it is, and it's very much and
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: it's it's very reminiscent of of the way people talk today,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: and it's it is it the fact that it is
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: in decades however many decades old, but there is such
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: a profoundness to it that people today could be accused
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: of it is it's just I mean, it's it's phenomenal
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: and and and they strip it to me lamit strips
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: it down to what the bear essentials are. But you
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: have all these different characters, even then in the fifties,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: if you're going to have all these white men talk
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: about it, there there is there's a there's such a
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: connective tissue to it of who they are and who
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: they're they're going to affect the life, the entire life
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: of somebody. Is is it's so is so well done.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: And I think it's a key component of Henry Fonda's
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: character's argument as to why we should slow down and
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: at least talk this through and ask some questions. Is
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: like there's there's a man's life that's hanging in the balance.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: But and it's almost a part of like what's it
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: gonna hurt?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Tell me, let's let's at least right.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: And then what feeds into that is slowly people start
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: to raise their hand, well because it's it's not it's
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: not so black and white.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: And the thing I think I love the most about
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: this film is the eleven on one angle where at
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: the beginning everybody says guilty except for Henry Fonda's character.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: It's a no thinker. It's it's and.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: If you if you think about it, it's not that
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: the facts of the case are changing. The facts are
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the facts. But throughout this discussion we kind of see
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: it's not more it's not that we're re examining the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: facts of the case. It feels more intrinsical that these
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: these men are looking in at themselves. And as new
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: information is produced, it is we are evolving to realize
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: we looked at this a certain way, but it's not
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: like there is room for that reasonable doubt. And it
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: explores those biases that that people have to the like
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: to the point that we get to the end and
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: we kind of realize, Okay, maybe the answer is outside
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: of the framework of what how we view this like.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: It changes perspectives for so many of.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: These Chaly does. And I think a part and I
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: think to your point is it's not. It's not that
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: easily decided, even though we know that it's easy to
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: do and it's easy to classify people and say, well,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: look where they look who they are, Look where they
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: grew up, look at their parents, look at and I
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: definitely think that's I definitely think that that is the case.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: But I also really like that there is a step
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: back and little by little, like from the lady who's
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: the key witness to the glasses. It is very much
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: of a but what if she didn't? And it's just it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: And I think what hit me the most is is
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: that it is a simple case of they could be wrong,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: and if they are.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Or it's at least it's possible not wrong.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: And if it is, you can't send someone to life
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: or whatever the case may be. And I think it's
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: very powerful and no matter what year has made, but
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: the fact that I can watch this today and get
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: a total, just a total engagement of what of how
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: people see either the court system, how they see justice,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: how they see people in general. It's important, it's in
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: it's it's important. And I think what adds to it
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: is they're telling you what part of this case is,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: so as you're doing this and you're trying to connect
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: the pieces. You're also like, oh so this isn't concrete. Yeah,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: and oh yeah, what you said isn't. And then someone
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: else comes in and say, yeah, but forget all that,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: here's the main thing. And then they say, well, okay,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: but what about this, And it's it's just it's It
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: reminds me a sort of what which is kind of
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: is on the nose as far as the title of
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: the film, but Philip summer Hoffmann, Amy Adams and Meryl Street,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: there's a movie called Doubt, and that's what this does.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: There is such a dose of doubt that how could
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: you go out and say, yep, you're guilty and there
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: and I think what adds to it? And I think
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: as we've grown up, there's been a lot of cases
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: where it seemed that they should be guilty but they're not.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: So then what how how how much of a guarantee
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: is is some of this ship?
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: You know, there's something that's very pure and wholesome about
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: the way it approaches together because even with their biases,
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: maybe the biggest leap of grandeur in twenty twenty six
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: watching this is that everyone would come to a place
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: where they would say, we see it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: And we agree that probably wouldn't happen.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: And like so, even those, even even the most crooked
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: characters in this movie come to a place of redemption.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Which that's true, that that even feels like a leap,
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Think would ever come to the realization.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, and even the I was thinking about even the
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: name of the movie and the play. You know, they're
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: not all angry in the same way Henry Fonda. They're
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: not angry in the way that we would typically think
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: of anger. Henry Fonda is not rage. They're passionate. They're
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: all passionate for different things. There's the guy that's passionate
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: about going to his baseball game on time.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Which did you know that's a grandpa problem child? Is
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: that the same guy and he has at least been
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: nominated for a couple of Oscars. But as soon as
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: he started talking, I'm like.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: Henry fondas Henry Fonda's character is passionate for doing the
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: right thing. And they all get in there. But you know,
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: some of them are passionate for we want to see
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: this kind of person go away.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Well, and they start connecting where he's from and everything else.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: And the thing is and I think that, well what
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: struck me is I think we're all guilty of it.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: It's almost like from who they are and where they
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: kind of where they're home grown, well, this is, of course,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: this is what they would do. But to have that
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: beyond a reasonable doubt, I think is very significant. And
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: the way they kind of played that out and depict
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: it from these twelve guys is very important because there's
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: nothing that tells me that in some sense this has
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: happened where your life is on the line and it's
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: up to these guys, and it's up to these people
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: to say what flies and what doesn't and what reason
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: do they have? And but I do love I think
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: this is what kind of really kind of brings it home.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Even as Henry fond of them walk out and he
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: talks to somebody and they tell each other their real names,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: there is just a sense of how important this system
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: is and that one day it might be you and
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: you want the same consideration that was put in with
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: these guys that ended up overturning where they thought it
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: would be a split to everybody says yeah, you know what,
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: it's not it, because yeah, I would want that you
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: know if you didn't know.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: So one of my favorite movies has become A Few
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: Good Men.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: That movie and I've heard it described as a verbal
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: action movie, and I think this could be described as
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: the same. And this, I mean this really laid the
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: groundwork for movies like that with the courtroom scene, room dramas.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Now I will say, you get you get some people,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: and you get someone people that don't know. I'm a
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: huge fan of Jack where you can you get the
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: guy up on that stand and he says, you need me,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: don't worry about the other stuff. You you can't make
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: the decisions, but there is there is some truth to
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: it and and there is there is such a depiction
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: of that where it can go a certain way and
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: what is justice and how do you define it? And
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: just like you know, a Few get Men and given
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: that code read and then the twelve angry men with
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: that saying okay, does this kid deserve to die? And
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: does he deserve to rot? Or whatever? You know? And
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: based off and then I love and I forgot the
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: actor's name, but I love that the fact that there
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: is a carrot that brings into it where and because
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's it's it's such an honest thing
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: of you see someone that represents someone in your life
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: and you think, this is the way I'm gonna take
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: care of it, because this is the way I did.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: The guy that talks about his son, yes, and this
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: is the.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Way, like I want to make him a man. He
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: was a man and he fought me in so this guy,
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have any respect for anybody. And you know what,
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that's true. I'm sure there's a lot of
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: people who come in that door and say, he has
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: no respect for this or this is the way I
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: came from, and depend on what generation it is, but
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: it's such a disservice to these to these people, and
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, who knows how many things have gone by
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: that they didn't deserve it, you know, I mean. And
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: that's and that's something that this film really kind of
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: reminds me of almost the whole time I'm watching it,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: is that it's it's it's it's never a straightforward and
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: it's never, like I said, it's black and white, and
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: that's just not the way life is. And but I
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: haven't seen too many films of Henry Fonda, and obviously
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: if people know the Fonda family is.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Very much of they've done something.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: This is one of his best Indy and Sydney Lament
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: knew exactly what he was wanting to do and how
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: powerful it must be for me to watch this in
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six and think, yeah, that holds up. Put
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: that right now and you're good. Yeah that means that
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: means a lot.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I think there's a really interesting reflection on power dynamics
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: at play in this movie too, because when we we
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: we get to the beginning of this and it's eleven
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: on one and you hear like the guy with the
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: deep burly voice that is telling the soft spoken man
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: to pipe down to me, it kind of felt like, oh,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: this is a reflection on how if we're not careful,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: the most dominant personality in the room may take over
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: and it's not an accurate reflection of the facts which
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: we ultimately uncover throughout this film.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: And and that guy that says like he has a
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: couple of things they rementioned and he ends up kind
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: of going fond of way, but there is like there's
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: a point to it, but it depends do you want
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: to see it that way? And if not, with some
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: of these characters, how much are you going to fight
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: for it? And I think that's that's very important, and
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: I think that's a that's one of the absolute I
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: who spectacular things about Twelve Inger Men is every single
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: perspective or thought or prejudice is presented in that film. Yeah,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: and none of it seems that impossible to be under
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: and that means a lot from the fifties to I
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: mean that, that means a lot.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: There's also some like somewhat minor things, but just from
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: a storytelling aspect, the walking across the room to pace
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: out how long it would take to get to the
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: door to open, like I love.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: This, Yeah, yeah, I think they're so good.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: And there's the little things like that where they're like, well,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: who cares how much it takes? But the thing is,
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: you're are you talking about a difference of twenty five seconds? Yeah,
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: because twenty five seconds means life or death with this kid,
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: And that's it. And I think even I'm sure as
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: audiences watched it in the fifties, especially as you're watch
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: it now, that's important because it could mean a difference
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: of who you think is guilty and who really isn't
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: and it's it's important, but that was that was a
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: great thing. They're like, well he has a limp, but
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: do this, and it's like, okay, like I love I
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: love the way they connected to this murder mystery without
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: because you're only listening to what they say.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: Yep, you're not, that's right.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: It's only what these men and of a certain white
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: men are telling you how you're going to think about it.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: And Henry Fonda is our guiding light and he does
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: a he does a fantastic, fantastic Jim.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: We've we've talked a little bit about how like stereotypes
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: and biases kind of play in and throwing up at
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: the fair. We've talked about that quite a bit today too.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: But I also think there's there's something to be said
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: for the the assumptions that are made, like you alluded
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: to it a second ago, where it's like, I don't
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: know how many times I heard a character in this
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: film say well you all know.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: It, yeah, and without saying certain words yeah, they're yeah,
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: they're kind of shouting it.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: So one of the things is they say like, well, oh,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: he says he's gonna kill him, I'm going to kill
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: you or whatever. One of my favorite scenes, maybe my
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: favorite scene in this entire film, is when Henry Fonda's
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: character gets the the guy to kind of lose his
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: shit a little bit and he says, I'm going to
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: kill you, and then he says it just it hits
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: so hard that surely you don't mean you'll really kill me.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: As an illustration, they're so this movie does such a
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: good job of navigating the gray area that the reasonable
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: doubt concept is that that scene, in particular to me,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, you you can't do it any better
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: than you just did that.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And the look like the rest of the
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: crew knows they see it. Yeah, OK, reasonable doubt. Right.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what. When I was watching, I thought,
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: if Henry Fonda was wear in that Joker shirt, how
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: would he you know, how would he react? You know,
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: because I you know, I don't know if I did
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: the right thing or not, but if he let us
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: on his Joker shirt, how would that be?
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: You know? I, uh, that's curious.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also curious because I was thinking about this
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty seven. Obviously I was not alive. My
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: parents were only six years old. When this came out,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: which is kind of wild to think about. But I'm
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: curious because I saw a couple of reviews mention it
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: how or how many people was twelve angry men like
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: the first glimpse into what the actual process is like.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: And to think about it in that context, does it
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: amplify how important this film was? I?
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think so. I think is. I think it introduces,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: if you haven't before, this story of just how things
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: can get away from you, even if you think you
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: are so sure, And and then it introduces your own
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: prejudice of who you think that person is and what
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: they're capable of because they're in this neighborhood or their family,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: or their race, whatever the case may be. I think so.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: I do think there is a certain kind of empathy
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: watching it today then it was in the late fifties.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: I think we do understand more. I think we also
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: get it doesn't have to be maybe that specific race,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: but I think we also understand the way just racism works,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: and the way that if someone looks different than you,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: then what how do we do? How do we combat that,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: how do we keep you from this? And how do
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: we say that this is fair? And this isn't. I mean,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of stuff that could be
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: applied to it, but I do think there is something
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: about a film that resonates. And it doesn't matter how
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: old it is. You know what they're talking about, and
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: you know whether it's this it's the right approach or not,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: there's something to it all. And I think it it
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: hits harder and I think you can replace this word
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: with that word and you're here, you're you're with it, right,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: And I think that's what twelve Angry Men does. And
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: it's something again, it just.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: It.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: It signifies something that has always kind of haunted this
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: country and the way that we do things, in the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: way that we think that people are guilty.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Fair enough well said anything to add to.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: That, Brett, I was just saying, there's almost a third
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: layer in that of whether it's contextually someone in the fifties,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: sixties seeing this to now seventy years removed. Even with
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: what Brandon was saying that hopefully we're not carrying those
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: same biases. But you hear the evidence and it's easy
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: to think, oh, well, the lady saw him so okay guilty,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: or the person he heard someone scream.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Like, so, yeah, it's so easy.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: It all lines up, and so it even called it
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: no matter where you I think that's one of the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: things that makes it so timeless is no matter where
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: you view it from, it causes you to kind of
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: reinvestigate those things, even in your to.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: Take that second look and say, okay, she saw it,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: case closed, But what if it's this, what if it's that?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: And honestly, I have done dury duty once before and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: mine was not. Mine was not like this. I got
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: in there and slammed my hand down and say guilty.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: And they said, we don't know we're talking about this.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: It is guilty. Yeah I was.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: I was gonna ask which one of the jurmans best
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: represented Yah.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Blonde hair with a c DC shirt, and I say, guilty,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: life in prison.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: You haven't even heard the charge.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: No I haven't. No, No, I told them I need
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: to go poop. But I wull but but for but
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: for them it is It truly is such a profound
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: thing of thinking that you know, and it's judging on
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: who you are, where you've come from, who your parents are,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: the kids and like the guy that where your son
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: and left them and he fun I want to be
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: a man. There's so many things introduced to that that
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: I think it is certainly an element to everything you do.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: But then the question is how do you how do
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: you judge that because you are sending someone to something,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: and how sure are you? And if you're not that sure,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: there's room, there's room. The thing is what I loved
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: about this movie is, and it's mentioned several times, is
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: let's discuss it. And it seems and it seems so outrageous,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, it is one
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: of those that says, make it make sense. Then make
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: it makes sense.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: And in twenty twenty six, how how much better off
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: would we be if we were willing to say, hang on,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: let's think about it, yes, right, rather.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: Than conversation Because even in the fifties, there is a
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: very much a a group that says I want to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: go to my family, I want to catch a baseball game.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: There's not there's not that much thought behind it. But
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: sometimes it takes one person to say tell me why, yeah,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: and you know, idiot, it's makes it makes sense, and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: the difference it makes for one person, it's one of
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: in a strange way, it's one of the most hopeful films.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: You yeah, because the tides turn.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Would you guys be surprised to learn that this
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: did not win Best Picture of that year at the Oscars?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: No, because there's so many situations where like, yeah, something
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: should have broke back, mountain should have one instead of crashed.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: So this year it went to the bridge on the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: river khy oh, I.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: Never even heard of I remember that one. Oh dude,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: Is Meryl Streep it?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: No, she is, well, I don't know. Let me let
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: me take a look at it. I don't know that
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: for sure. Nineteen fifty seven. It is starring William Holden,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Alec Guinnis Jack Hawkins. I don't see Meryl Streep anywhere
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: on here.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: Okay, I may be jumping ahead, or I may be
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: asking for things we aren't prepared to share. But do
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: you have like where this ranks on some like best
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: pictures of all times?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: I bet you it's one of those that people it's
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: high I.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Know, like reading through some of the tidbits trying to
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: pull notes for this show. It is on a lot
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: of lists.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Of I know, it's on all of the master the best.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Best Films of all Time, Rotten Tomatoes. There's only sixty
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: three reviews. But where do we think it's at.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's it, like ninety seven ninety eight percent.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: I would guess nineties also is one hundred percent rotten Tomatoes. Yeah,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: so and and like the rare instance where the critics
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: and the audiences is aligned one hundred percent on the
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Tomato meters with over one hundred thousand reviews on the
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: popcorn meter ninety seven percent. So, man, I mean that
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: this really is. I don't think it's a stretch to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: say one of the greatest films of all time. I
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: was telling Brandon before you got here, Brett, like, watching this,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: you don't want to say anything reactionary, right, you want
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: to let things sit. I think about it for a
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: little bit, but I think this has to be among
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: the top ten movies I've ever watched.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: It feels fantastic ensemble.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, each character gets its moment in this film.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: How rare is it?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: Pick that and say they didn't get this and this,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: And it.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: Almost feels like the simplicity of it being made in
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: the fifties that there wasn't what there would be today. Yeah,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: you talked about the expert filmmaking. But today somebody would
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: be starting the movie from the place of let's do
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: it this way, and it almost feels like the simplicity
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: is what allows that breathe ability for the character.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: I remember I remember seeing this and thinking, I wish
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: he would have I wish he would have gotten that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: problem shown. I wish. Yeah, yeah, but he was. He was.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: He was nominated a couple of times. I was shocked,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: but but yeah, I agree. It's it's to stand the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: test of time in this day and age really means something.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: And watching it now, I was very much. There was
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: so much enthralled by each thing they said and the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: way Henry Fonda kind of the way this character moved.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: But then if as certain characters would express kind of
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: their true intentions, the reactions of it, and like that
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: one where everybody kind of gets up and turns their
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: back like that to me was very powerful. And the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: fact that like they know that that's not what that's
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: not what this is, and so everybody's kind of standing
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: for something, but Henry fond is showing a braid is like,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: let's talk about it. Tell me, and and in the
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: way that they do it, they're like he's guilty. He
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: has to be. But little by little they kind of
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: scrape it by and you're like, is it can't could
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: it be true?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: The reasonable doubt comes into the.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're like, hey, what if he does again.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: He's like he might, yeah, but and like there's such
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: an honesty to it, of but this is now and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think this is there's too much. And I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: think what I love the most is that kid could
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: have done it. He could have absolutely done it. Tis
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: but you leave that film and you think they've made
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: the right decision. He should go free because there's not
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: enough behind it, and and I think, and then you
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: kind of tack on kind of the race age and
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: everything else, and you're like, you know what, it's a
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: second chance. That's that's deserved. And I'm glad that these
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: guys from all different walks of life and thoughts from
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: the moment we meet them say okay, you have you
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: have that second chance. And then you think of all
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: the people who have been wrongly convicted who have that
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: second chance, and how much it means. And then you're
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: thinking of a film in the late fifties that says
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: the same thing. It's a it's it's it's profound. Yeah,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: it's it's absolutely it's absolutely astonishing to me.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, we've reached the end of my notes. Brett.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Do you have any parting thoughts on twelve Angry men?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: It's a perfect film, perfect?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Have you no go ahead?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Have you ever thought about trying to pay me back
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: for my joker shirt?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Hmmm? What wasn't Brett's fault? You got thrown up? All?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: I'm sure I was following his lead, I do. Yeah,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Brett was a ladies man and I was like, eh.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: Girls, maybe maybe we should like do a court case
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: for that that year.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that year was my bad.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: It was your fault.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: It was thank you for your honesty and vulnerability.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: We were at We were at that gate because of me.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: And you were you were you were focused on someone.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: I always I'll be honest in our younger days, I
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: always assume it was because we tried to We tried
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: high school and college, you know.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: We tried to court people like they did in like
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: the early like nineteenth century.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, gentlemen, the problem is is that it just
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: it didn't work.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: That didn't go over.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: Gals didn't gals didn't like it that much, we all
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: landed where we needed to be.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Much like the Jurors and twelve Angry.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: Bingo when they walked and I I like the touch
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: of that that one character and they tell each other
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: that their real name he walks off. It's a nice touch.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, that's going to do it for
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: this episode of movie review. Rewind then as you can
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• 1:12:04
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