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"Killer Dad" Chris Watts murders pregnant wife and 2 little daughters, wants "DO-OVER!" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's a dark and disturbing
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Speaker 1: dive into the mind of triple murderer Chris Watts, heard
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Speaker 1: in a newly released interview with investigators. So that makes
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Speaker 1: sense that I ask you asking these questions if it
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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense that his wife, Shanan, fifteen weeks pregnant,
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Speaker 1: seen here coming home from a business trip in August.
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Speaker 1: Watts says they argued she accused him of cheating and
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Speaker 1: told him this veryone's head cared again, arrot sitting again,
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Speaker 1: good off, don't hurt anything. Watts says that triggered him
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Speaker 1: into a rage. He says Chanan did not fight back
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Speaker 1: as he strangled her to death, and just feel like
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Speaker 1: there is already something in my mind that was the
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Speaker 1: planet I was going to do it, and I woke
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Speaker 1: up that morning it was going to happen, and I
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Speaker 1: have no control of him. The couple's daughters, Watts says,
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Speaker 1: woke to see their mother face down in bed, wrapped
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Speaker 1: in a sheet, and so it happened lament, but she said.
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Speaker 1: Watts says he drove his wife's body from their Frederick,
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Speaker 1: Colorado home to a remote oil field, his girls sitting
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Speaker 1: in the backseat. There, Watt says he strangled three year
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Speaker 1: old Celeste and four year old Bella. Now behind bars.
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Speaker 1: Chris Watts, a so called killer dad, says he's had
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Speaker 1: time to reflect, to think about his past and wish
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Speaker 1: he had quote handled things differently. Well, that's certainly putting
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Speaker 1: perfume on the pig. I. Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, with me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel. Vincent Hill, private investigator, doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst
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Speaker 1: at Doctor Bethany Marshall dot Com. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina
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Speaker 1: family lawyer, doctor William Moroney, renowned medical examiner and author
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Speaker 1: of American Narcan found on Amazon. Joining me right now.
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Speaker 1: Robin Willinsky, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter and author
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Speaker 1: of Beautiful Life, The CSI behind of the Casey Anthony Trial.
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Speaker 1: Robin Malinski, He's had time to think, you know what,
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Speaker 1: he could have done that at home or on his
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Speaker 1: way to work in the morning, sitting in the car
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Speaker 1: and complete solitude. Why did he have to kill his
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Speaker 1: wife and children to have time to think and reflect
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Speaker 1: on what else himself? Yeah, it makes me ill when
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Speaker 1: I think about this. Because now not only would he
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Speaker 1: have four year old Bella to think about, three year
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Speaker 1: old Celeste, his second daughter, to think about, his wife
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Speaker 1: Shenan thirty four years old to think about, but he
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Speaker 1: would have a brand new baby, a little boy to
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Speaker 1: be thinking about, Nancy because his wife at the time
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Speaker 1: was fifteen weeks pregnant at the time that he killed her.
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Speaker 1: That's right, and they had already picked out the name Nico,
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Speaker 1: you know, speaking of his children, Bella and Celeste. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to four year old Bella, my daddy, help me,
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Speaker 1: help me Godeka, my daddy, Daddy, and love you. There
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Speaker 1: you hear little Bella, four years old in the back
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Speaker 1: seat singing a love song to her father. I know
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Speaker 1: that hits home especially to you, doctor William Moroney, medical
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Speaker 1: examiner and author, but father as well. You know I
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Speaker 1: love it when you send me pictures in text of
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Speaker 1: your children and I get to watch them grow along
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Speaker 1: with my own children. So let's get right down to it,
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Speaker 1: doctor Moroney. I don't know what his game is putting
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Speaker 1: it out there that he's had time to think and reflect.
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Speaker 1: What does he want to send its reduction? But let's
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Speaker 1: talk about reality, not just what he's thinking about behind bars.
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Speaker 1: But the actual deaths of Bella age four and Celeste,
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Speaker 1: age three, the actual death being suffocated, strangled, and placed
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Speaker 1: in petroleum oil, not any respect. There's no chronological time
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Speaker 1: for him to evaluate, slow down and reflect in these actions.
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Speaker 1: These actions are premeditated. The children must have been so
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Speaker 1: frightened to not really know where's mom? What kind of
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Speaker 1: support do I get? Then to be betrayed by their father,
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Speaker 1: physically assaulted and then stuffed into a dark tank. This
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Speaker 1: is evil at its finest, or this is evil at
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Speaker 1: it worst. You know, doctor William Moroney, you've seen it all.
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Speaker 1: You know. There's no telling how many thousands of autopsies
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Speaker 1: you have performed. But even when the autopsy was written
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Speaker 1: up and we got the autopsy report, it said, for instance,
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Speaker 1: when they pulled Bella and Celeste out of the oil tanks,
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Speaker 1: they were quote de gloved end quote Again, that's quite
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Speaker 1: the euphemism. Please explain what happened when Bella and Celeste
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Speaker 1: were pulled out of the oil tankers. Their father crushed
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Speaker 1: them into the oil drums. Degloving is a technical term
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Speaker 1: for something that happens to the body and the skin
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Speaker 1: on the outside when somebody's decomposing the outside layer's skin.
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Speaker 1: To speak plainly, the outside layer of skin begins to
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Speaker 1: sluff off, like that plastic bag from the deli. And
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Speaker 1: when the outside layer of skin sluffs off, it's referred
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Speaker 1: to as degloving because it's the same as taking a
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Speaker 1: glove off. You know, in my mind, you're doing the
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Speaker 1: same thing, Maroney, And you know I very rarely disagree
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Speaker 1: with you here. You're really trying to paint it with
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Speaker 1: a different stroke, make it sound better than it is. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: When they try to get baby Bella and Celesque out
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Speaker 1: of the oil drums where Daddy had crushed their bodies
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Speaker 1: into their skin tore off their arms. When they pull
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Speaker 1: them up, they pulled up nothing but the skin off
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Speaker 1: their arms. That's what deg gloving is. Why did that happen,
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Speaker 1: doctor Moroney? That happens because inside the body, it's a
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Speaker 1: complex mixture of protein, tendons, ligaments, and water content and
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Speaker 1: that all breaks down in the oil because of the oil,
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Speaker 1: and internally because of natural organic bacteria, and there's not
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Speaker 1: a lot left. In small children, they don't have the
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Speaker 1: same bone frame, they're not as strong, they don't have
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Speaker 1: the same muscle mass, Uh, this is a it's it's
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Speaker 1: a very terrible thing to look at because the children
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Speaker 1: came out in pieces crime stories with Nancy Grace of
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Speaker 1: communicate senses. My name is to go on. I'm calling
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Speaker 1: because I'm concerned about a friend of mine. Um. I
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Speaker 1: dropped her off at her house at two in the
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Speaker 1: morning last night because we were out of town together
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Speaker 1: and threw all the way back to the airport and pregnant,
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Speaker 1: and I haven't been able to get ahold of her
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Speaker 1: this morning. And I've gotten to her house and her
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Speaker 1: cards there and stuff like that, but she won't answer
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Speaker 1: the door. You won't answer the phone calls, you want
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Speaker 1: to answer the text messages. And I'm just really really concerned.
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Speaker 1: And at a doctor's appointment this morning and she didn't
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Speaker 1: go to it, and I just I don't know what
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Speaker 1: to do. I've called him and want to him, and
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Speaker 1: he said that she went on a play date with
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Speaker 1: her and there's two daughters, but on a play date
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Speaker 1: the books, which I not her car. You are hearing
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Speaker 1: a friend of Chanan Watts calling nine one one. The
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Speaker 1: friend worried because she hadn't heard from Chanan. They had
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Speaker 1: gone out of town the night before and flew back home.
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Speaker 1: They'd gone out of town for a work commitment, fly back,
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Speaker 1: come and by the time Shanan had gotten out of
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Speaker 1: the airport and gotten home, it was almost two o'clock
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Speaker 1: in the morning. And then Chanane didn't show up at
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Speaker 1: a doctor's appointment. Take a listen to this. I went
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Speaker 1: to the doctor's office. The doctors, I know you can't
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Speaker 1: give me things? Can you just tell me? She shot
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Speaker 1: up at her appointments this morning and the lady looked like, no,
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Speaker 1: she did not. Okay, whole behavior, room behavior for her,
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Speaker 1: no pregnancy like excited. That's right, she was so excited.
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Speaker 1: Why would she not show up to a doctor's appointment?
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Speaker 1: Joining me Vincent Hill, Doctor Bethany Marshall, Kathleen Murphy, doctor
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Speaker 1: William Moroney, and Robin will Lynsky to doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst. You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Bethany, I want to talk about the
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Speaker 1: most recent news where behind from behind bars, Chris Watts,
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Speaker 1: the so called killer Dad, has made sure we find
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Speaker 1: out that he quote wished he had handled things differently. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's certainly an understatement. Doctor Bethany, Well Nancy. When he
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Speaker 1: says he wishes he has handled things differently, he's acting
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Speaker 1: so cavalier, as if this was not a serious crime,
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Speaker 1: as if he didn't kill his wife and daughters, and Nancy,
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Speaker 1: we know that this is how sociopaths talk. They bring
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Speaker 1: very shallow meanings to very deep words. Remember the BTK killer.
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Speaker 1: I can never forget this one when he's set in
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Speaker 1: court representing himself. You know, I'm not a bad guy.
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Speaker 1: I comforted her before I strangled her. I gave her
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Speaker 1: a glass of water. And he fancied himself, this great guy,
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Speaker 1: because he offered his victim a glass of water as
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Speaker 1: she was crying before he strangled her. So to me,
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Speaker 1: Chris Watts is no different. When he says I wish
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Speaker 1: I had handled it differently, it's almost like saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: I brought this gift to a kid's birthday party, and
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Speaker 1: I wish I had just used different wrapping paper. That's
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Speaker 1: about as much meaning as he brings to a statement
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Speaker 1: like that. Wow. Wow, that's a good analogy. To Kathleen Murphy,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina family law specialist, Kathleen, this all started with
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Speaker 1: a domestic problem. The problem was Chris Watts the problem.
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Speaker 1: He's the problem, you know, Nancy. I thought about this
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Speaker 1: before I came on air today, and one of my
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Speaker 1: questions is, why does Chris Watts want to go through
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Speaker 1: this paperwork for an appellate process? And I was looking
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Speaker 1: through some information and he said that he's doing this
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Speaker 1: because he didn't have his day in court. It's all
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Speaker 1: about him. It's all about wait wait wait wait wait
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Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait what now say that again? Place
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Speaker 1: When looking up why Chris wants wants an appeal after
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Speaker 1: pleading guilty in California or in Colorado, he states that
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Speaker 1: he is appealing because he didn't have his day in court. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what. Vincent Hill, a private investigator, cop turned
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Speaker 1: PI Vincent Hill, author of Playbook to a Murderer, helped
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Speaker 1: me out. Didn't have his day in court. Could you
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Speaker 1: just give our listeners a brief outline of the thousands
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Speaker 1: and thousands of hours police and detectives put into making
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Speaker 1: this case. Well, Nancy, the reason he didn't have his
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Speaker 1: day in courtis because he pled guilty, so he actually
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Speaker 1: forego his day in court. So here's a guy who
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Speaker 1: sat with investigators. He talked about how he killed Shennan
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Speaker 1: first while the girls were there asking what are you
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Speaker 1: doing to mommy? Then he kills CC and then Bella.
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Speaker 1: And now he says, oh, I need my day in court. Well,
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Speaker 1: you gave that up when you pled guilty. So what
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Speaker 1: are you talking about? You know, I'm just thinking about
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Speaker 1: what his Maybe Kathleen Murphy with me, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: Vincent and he old, doctor William Roney and Robin Willnski.
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy give our listeners a tiny glimpse of the
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Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of man hours that went into this investigation.
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Speaker 1: And he's saying he didn't get his day in court,
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Speaker 1: just like Vincent Hill said he pled guilty, that was
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Speaker 1: his day in court. But explain what painstaking effort the
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Speaker 1: cops went through, Nancy. It just preparing for a simple
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Speaker 1: domestic action. I can easily spend hours upon days upon
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Speaker 1: days reviewing evidence of photographs, text messages, emails, police officer
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Speaker 1: dispatch communications, coming on to the property and looking at
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Speaker 1: the crime scene investigative work. I can only imagine it
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Speaker 1: was thousands of hours in this case, and they worked
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Speaker 1: a great job. They did a care each up in
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Speaker 1: this Let's go to doctor William Moroney, maybe you help
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Speaker 1: me out, Moroni. You on your end as a medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: me on my end as a prosecutor working with cops
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Speaker 1: and detectives. A case like this takes. Let's just say
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Speaker 1: I would work a case, and I was the prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: and I was building on the backs of the cops
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Speaker 1: what they had done in cases. And I would spend
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Speaker 1: literally eighteen hours a day working a case before trial
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Speaker 1: to have it ready to present in a seamless fashion.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about thousands of men hours. How do you
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Speaker 1: think they found the bodies, Maroni? They investigated. They found
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Speaker 1: the bodies of Bella and Celeste hidden down in giant
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Speaker 1: oil drums at the oil fields of Anadarko where Chris
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Speaker 1: Watts worked. They had to come out with cadaver dogs,
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Speaker 1: sent dogs take them out there in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the hot sun and try to find chinnan water down
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Speaker 1: buried in a shallow grave. They had to interview neighbors.
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Speaker 1: They had to get surveillance video from up and down
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Speaker 1: the street they had. That really is one of the
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Speaker 1: things that cracked the case is the neighbors surveillance video
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Speaker 1: in his home where he shows Chris Watts, What happened
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Speaker 1: the night Shenanne goes missing. You can see Watts and
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Speaker 1: it dawns on his face. Oh crap, I'm busted. He's looking.
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Speaker 1: He puts his hands upon his head and goes, oh no, oh,
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Speaker 1: no oh, Because you can see Shenanne goes in and
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Speaker 1: never leaves. She didn't go on a playdate. No getting
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Speaker 1: that surveillance video, tracking down witnesses, calling in the dogs, interview, interview, interview,
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Speaker 1: find me the old girlfriends, the new girlfriends. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's literally thousands of hours. And just give me a
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Speaker 1: glimpse at what an autopsy entails, doctor Moroney. Well, every
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Speaker 1: one of those autopsy had to be ironclad. It had
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Speaker 1: to be extensively sampled. It's not just the autopsy of
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Speaker 1: the body. It's the collection of tissues. It's the microscope,
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Speaker 1: it's the processing of samples. It's ten to twelve hour
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Speaker 1: lab days because you got to let some people go
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Speaker 1: home and sleep, sometimes for weeks and months, and it's
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Speaker 1: multiple crime scenes. It's the home, it's the vehicle, it's
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Speaker 1: the oil field, and that entire tank had to be
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Speaker 1: drained when it was all done, and all that oil
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Speaker 1: had to be examined, because you don't just pull up
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Speaker 1: cadavers out of oil and let that tank sit there.
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Speaker 1: That tank had to have been dissembled and investigated the
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Speaker 1: time alone. On an average, toxicology runs at least nine days.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes the state, in order to guarantee a case being ironclad,
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Speaker 1: wants six months of study because all those samples have
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Speaker 1: to be corrected and read by another pathologist thousands, thousands
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Speaker 1: of hours. And now, after all this what brings us
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Speaker 1: here today justice Chris Watts, the killer Dad, says he
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Speaker 1: didn't get justice and he wants a do over. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. I was in a really, really,
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Speaker 1: really bad place and I got a friend to friend
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Speaker 1: requests from Chris on Facebook and I was like, Ah,
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Speaker 1: what the heck, I'm never going to meet him. Accept
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Speaker 1: One thing led to another, and eight years later, we
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Speaker 1: have two kids, we live in Colorado, and he's the
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Speaker 1: best thing that has ever happened to me. And because
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Speaker 1: of my health challenges, because I got so sick, I
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Speaker 1: let him in and he only knew me at that time.
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Speaker 1: He knew me at my worst and he accepted me.
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Speaker 1: And you know, your vows like through sickness and everything
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Speaker 1: he's been there. He was the one that let me
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Speaker 1: lay on him and fall asleep for three and a
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Speaker 1: half hours on his lap while he had a pee.
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Speaker 1: He is the best thing that has ever ever happened
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Speaker 1: to me. So with that being said, know that no
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Speaker 1: matter what, I can go on forever with a story
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Speaker 1: like No, she can't go on forever because she's dead.
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Speaker 1: She was murdered well into her pregnancy. Was she was
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Speaker 1: straddled by her husband, Chris Watts, and strangled. Then his children,
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Speaker 1: little Bella and Celeste, come in and see mommy there,
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Speaker 1: and he puts them in the car along with her body.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can see him loading it up on
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Speaker 1: a neighbors surveillance video. And first of all Celestius murdered.
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Speaker 1: And then as Bella says, it's the same thing that
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Speaker 1: happened as Cecy gonna happen to me, Daddy, No, she knew.
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Speaker 1: The little four year old girl knew she was going
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Speaker 1: to die. I mean, and now he wants a do over.
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Speaker 1: Robbie wi Lynski Robbi Willlynski joining me Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter where you can find this and all
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Speaker 1: other breaking crime and justice news. Robi Wilenski an appeal.
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Speaker 1: He pled guilty, and I can tell you this, every
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Speaker 1: time I took a guilty please, Robi Wilynski. Sometimes I'd
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Speaker 1: line up twenty five people at wants to put them
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Speaker 1: all under oath. Everyone, do you swear what you were
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Speaker 1: about to tell this court will be the truth, the
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Speaker 1: whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help me God,
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Speaker 1: And yes, I put God in it. I did it all,
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Speaker 1: and that all have to swear under oath that what
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Speaker 1: they were saying is true. Then I would take each
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Speaker 1: one by their name, confirm who they are. Are you,
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Speaker 1: in fact, Robin Wilensky, Are you the same Robin Wilensky
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Speaker 1: charged with the murder of Shenan Watts, Bella and Celeste Watts. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I am that very Robin Wilenski. And then I would
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Speaker 1: lay out very briefly the facts in the indictment and
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Speaker 1: ask him then do they agree with the facts, and
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Speaker 1: do they plead guilty? And give them all their rights?
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Speaker 1: And then they plead guilty under oath. So how Robin
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Speaker 1: Wilenski explained to me is that what he's doing Chris
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Speaker 1: Watts wants a do over an appeal of his own
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Speaker 1: guilty plea. That's right, because see he's thirty three years
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Speaker 1: old and he's sitting there literally looking at the walls, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and facing fifty years so he won't get out if
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Speaker 1: he lives until his eighties. If you do the math,
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Speaker 1: and here's the thing, right, so you lay it out.
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Speaker 1: It was murder charges, and then they tacked down another
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Speaker 1: two because under Colorado's Saint Law, the kids were under
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Speaker 1: the age of twelve, so he actually faced five murder charges.
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Speaker 1: Said he was guilty, okay, And now there's there's really
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Speaker 1: a boo hoo. What I call a boo hoo who
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Speaker 1: crying factor involves because he wants you to believe that
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Speaker 1: he's looking at the pictures of his wife and two
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Speaker 1: daughters in his jail cell as he stares at the
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Speaker 1: walls and his toilet and his little cot, and that
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Speaker 1: he wants you to think that, oh, I'm thinking of them.
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Speaker 1: You know, they're in heaven and I'm in hell, and
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Speaker 1: boo hoo hoo, and I'm reading books in the Bible
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Speaker 1: and looking at pictures of my family. Oh, by the way,
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Speaker 1: that I killed beautifully put Robin Willinski. You know you
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Speaker 1: may have mister calling because I could just see you
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Speaker 1: letting loose on a jury in a closing statement. Not
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Speaker 1: that you're not an awesome investigative reporter. Kathleen Murphy, I
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Speaker 1: think I need a lawyer, all right, you know that's
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Speaker 1: that's the funny thing, Kathleen Murphy, I very rarely have
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Speaker 1: said I think I need a lawyer. I've got a
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Speaker 1: grand jury duty tomorrow. I've been called to serve all
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Speaker 1: the grand jury. And I called um, a long long
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Speaker 1: time friend of mine within the office, and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: I got a problem. He said, what I said, I
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Speaker 1: caught a little dui this weekend. Here was this big
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Speaker 1: log silence on the end, and he went, well, I went,
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Speaker 1: just kid, just kid, I got grand jury tomorrow. I
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Speaker 1: wanted to find out if you're going to be in
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Speaker 1: the office. Were you drinking before? No? Man, that was awesome.
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Speaker 1: No no, no, no, let's don't make this just don't
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Speaker 1: mix business and pleasure. But okay, Kathleen, help me. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I have to say something that Robin. Why is he
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Speaker 1: allowed to have pictures? Why is he allowed to have
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Speaker 1: pictures in his cell? That's what's making me mad right now. Guilty,
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Speaker 1: Please not gonna happen. Withdrawing that he can cut pictures
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Speaker 1: out of the People magazine that I'm sure they're all reading.
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Speaker 1: But let me ask you this. I want to know,
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Speaker 1: explain in a nutshell, which is very hard for US
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Speaker 1: lawyers to do and medical examiners. No offense, Maroney, Explain
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Speaker 1: in a nutshell, how can you appeal a guilty plea
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Speaker 1: that you took. You're the one that stood up in
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Speaker 1: court and said, I'm guilty, I'm murdered Shenan Bella and Celesque. Fundamentally,
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Speaker 1: it is near to impossible. And I haven't seen the
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Speaker 1: guilty plea, but if he waved his right to appeal
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Speaker 1: in that guilty plea, it's almost ninety nine point nine
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Speaker 1: percent not going to happen. The only thing that he
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Speaker 1: really has to appeal is that there was some error
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Speaker 1: in his sentencing. They can remand it back for different sentencing,
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Speaker 1: and I just don't believe that there was any error
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Speaker 1: in the sentence. Well, because Chris Watts has nothing but
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Speaker 1: time on his hands, and he's sitting there and it's
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Speaker 1: just dawning on him. Whoops, no more sex affairs, no
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Speaker 1: more tender or grinder or whatever he was doing online.
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Speaker 1: I've got fifty years and I wis Constant prison cell,
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Speaker 1: and what can I do? What can I do to
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Speaker 1: get out of here? Right now? He may not have
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Speaker 1: found a lawyer to represent him, but he is absolutely
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Speaker 1: appealing his guilty plea now. He was moved from a
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Speaker 1: Colorado prison to a Wis Constant prison after getting death
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Speaker 1: threats from his fellow inmates who did not take very
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Speaker 1: kindly to him murdering his beautiful, pregnant wife and two
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Speaker 1: little girls. But he says, quote, everything happens so fast.
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Speaker 1: They're at the end of what the legal proceedings or
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Speaker 1: his wife's murder, and he's not sure he was in
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Speaker 1: the right mind to plead guilty like he did. For him,
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Speaker 1: it's not just about getting out of jail, right it's
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Speaker 1: also he hasn't been able to really have his day
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Speaker 1: in court, doctor moroney, I mean half his day in court.
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Speaker 1: Don't you know that medical examiner that performed those three
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Speaker 1: autopsies is just groaning right now. Well, they don't want
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Speaker 1: to go back and have to re explain everything, but
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Speaker 1: they'll do what they need to do because that's why
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Speaker 1: they're public servants. It'll take time. It's an investment, but
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Speaker 1: we have to do the right thing. Sometimes it means
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Speaker 1: repeating things that took a long time. I'd feel the
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Speaker 1: same way. I want to do the right thing in
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Speaker 1: the end. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Know that no
25:39
Speaker 1: matter how hard life gets, no matter how low you feel,
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Speaker 1: know that deep down in your heart, that there's a purpose,
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Speaker 1: there's a reason for everything. We may not understand it
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Speaker 1: at the time. It's hard to understand it at the time.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, when I met Chris, I pushed him away.
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Speaker 1: I gave every excuse for him to run. I mean
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Speaker 1: I gave him an out. Every single day. I gave
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Speaker 1: him an out. And if you guys know my story
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Speaker 1: with Chris, you know I gave him an out. I
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Speaker 1: mean he went to my colonoscopy. I tortured him, I
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Speaker 1: rejected him. I pushed him away time and time and
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Speaker 1: time again. But when I canceled dates last minute, because
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Speaker 1: that's how life is with my health challenges, you cancel
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Speaker 1: things last minute, and it's hard for people to get.
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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to understand. But he stuck around,
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Speaker 1: and he stuck around because he was the one for me.
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Speaker 1: That just blakes my heart. That is beautiful Shenan Watts
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Speaker 1: in a May Facebook video talking about how she met
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Speaker 1: the man of her dreams, slash her murderer, Chris Watts,
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Speaker 1: when she was at a low place, was sick, and
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Speaker 1: that he stuck by her and accepted her. You know,
27:06
Speaker 1: oh gosh, just thinking about her mistaken belief that this
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Speaker 1: guy really loved her. I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, Chris
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Speaker 1: Watts was out sleeping with everybody, every skirt that walked by,
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Speaker 1: and you know that aside he murdered her. How could
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Speaker 1: she have not seen it? That's what people keep asking me.
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Speaker 1: Explain how it happens, doctor Bethany. Well, how it happens, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and you and I have talked about this so many times.
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Speaker 1: Researchers talk about sociopaths putting on what they call the
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Speaker 1: mask of sanity. And they use that term because sociopatht
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Speaker 1: like Chris Watts, they know they are not like the others.
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Speaker 1: He knew that he wasn't courting her because she has
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Speaker 1: Crohn's disease or some illness, but he can see pasted
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Speaker 1: it because he loves her and he sees that she
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Speaker 1: has intrinsic values, so he's going to take her to
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Speaker 1: all these doctor's appointments and support her in her health challenges.
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Speaker 1: He knows he's not wired that way, he's not put
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Speaker 1: together that way. He's just out having sex with other
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Speaker 1: women whenever she's not available, or maybe because she's not
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Speaker 1: continually available. He loves her even more because that means
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Speaker 1: he can have sexual relationships with multiple women at once.
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Speaker 1: But back to the mask of sanity. These men learn
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Speaker 1: to act as if they are normal. They move around
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Speaker 1: in society as if they have normal feelings and emotions
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Speaker 1: such as empathy, being excited by the normal things in life, attachment,
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Speaker 1: wanting to take care of other people. They know that
28:48
Speaker 1: they have to act that way in order to be acceptable,
28:51
Speaker 1: but that is certainly not who they are deep down inside.
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Speaker 1: They are very sick, disturbed people missing hill with maycop
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Speaker 1: turned pay an author of playbook to a murder vincent
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Speaker 1: way in what it does to cops when they work
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Speaker 1: so hard you get a conviction or guilty plea and
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Speaker 1: then it's reversed or the defendant actually gets ado over
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Speaker 1: because he's feeling sorry for himself behind bars. Yeah, Nancy,
29:16
Speaker 1: I tell you, it really really ticks you off. You
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Speaker 1: wasted all your time, put in all your energy, created
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Speaker 1: this huge case. It's been countless hour just this guy
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Speaker 1: to say, oh well I need mind to Dan Courts,
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Speaker 1: to Dodger Bethany Marshall, help me out. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: got to be a huge blow to the prosecution and
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Speaker 1: Shannan's family to think he's going to get ado over
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Speaker 1: in court. Well, he already took took away their beloved right.
29:48
Speaker 1: He has had extraordinary power and has done so much
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Speaker 1: damage in their lives. And to think that now he's
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Speaker 1: going to trapes or dance into court get all of
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Speaker 1: this attention be at the center of things again has
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Speaker 1: to be incredibly aggravating, Nancy. I mean, how criminals are
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Speaker 1: handled in the court system, it really affects victims in
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Speaker 1: terms of whether or not they become retraumatized or they
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Speaker 1: have a healing curative experience so they can pick up
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Speaker 1: with the rest of their lives. And when the perpetrator
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Speaker 1: use of their day in court to laugh at the family,
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Speaker 1: to mock the family, to lie once again about the
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Speaker 1: nature of the crime, to diminish and devalue the importance
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Speaker 1: of the lives they took, that recreates the crime all
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Speaker 1: over again. And for the first responders, and for the
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Speaker 1: medical examiners and everybody else. It retraumatizes everybody. You know,
30:47
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about him sitting there feeling sorry for himself.
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Speaker 1: Robin Olinsky, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, what can
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Speaker 1: you tell me about Chris Watts's life behind bars? Well,
31:00
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of time on his hand. He's
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Speaker 1: facing fifty years. I know that things were very unpleasant
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Speaker 1: for him in the Colorado prison system, that people were
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Speaker 1: threatening his life because not only did he kill his
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Speaker 1: pregnant wife, but he's a baby killer and he killed
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Speaker 1: his four year old daughter and his three year old daughter.
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Speaker 1: And so because of these threats and his safety, the
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Speaker 1: Bureau of Prisons had to move him all the way
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Speaker 1: to Wisconsin. Now, if the prisoners know who he is
31:29
Speaker 1: or doesn't know who he is, he's probably in an
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Speaker 1: isolated area, doesn't have a lot of contact with people,
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Speaker 1: and literally if staring at the walls thinking about how
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Speaker 1: he can get out of this situation before he turns
31:44
Speaker 1: eighty three years old. You know what, Jackie Howard sitting
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Speaker 1: right here in the studio with me. Look up, Jackie,
31:50
Speaker 1: if you dare just said he only gets one hour
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Speaker 1: of free time a day. What one hour? What do
31:59
Speaker 1: you mean one hour a free time? He's not holding
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Speaker 1: down a job, he's doing nothing. What did you mean
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Speaker 1: by that? He only gets out to sell one hour
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Speaker 1: a day. I don't want him out of a sell
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Speaker 1: one hour a day. I want him to stay right
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Speaker 1: there and think about Chnan Bella and celesque. Doctor William Moroney. Fine,
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Speaker 1: let him out, Let him go play basketball in the outdoors,
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Speaker 1: let him go for walks. Let him be on his
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Speaker 1: computer and have all his new girlfriends online and meet
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Speaker 1: with lawyers and lounge in the library. You know what,
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Speaker 1: I'm not impressed he only gets one hour a day
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Speaker 1: playing basketball. Ordinarily, I am always up for criminal justice reform.
32:43
Speaker 1: But as soon as you use the word baby killer,
32:46
Speaker 1: as soon as the forensic evidence and the autopsy includes
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Speaker 1: the most innocent people around, I consider barbaric conditions. I'm
32:57
Speaker 1: so old fashioned. It's not a hundred years. Let's go
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Speaker 1: back a thousand years. This guy needs stone walls, he
33:06
Speaker 1: needs to sleep on wood. I just feel so enraged
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Speaker 1: that what we have is a man who killed children,
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Speaker 1: let alone a beautiful innocent wife. That psychopathology, that that psychopaths.
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Speaker 1: He's also got these narcissistic tendencies that he wants to
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Speaker 1: go back into the spotlight. He wants to be examined.
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Speaker 1: He's looking for something to make his life worth wild
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Speaker 1: and to become more evil as a killer is better
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Speaker 1: than boredom for him. You know what? As anapella court
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Speaker 1: reviews whether killer Dad Chris Watts gets any trial, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. My daddy is a hero. He struck,
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Speaker 1: helped me. I'm not good to He reads me books,
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Speaker 1: He type my shoes. If you're a he foling blue
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Speaker 1: my Daddy, Daddy, and love you, Nancy Grace Crime Store
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,