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Love Between Fairy and Devil | Full C-drama Review / Ep. 32 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica. And this is Deb icky Rambles.
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  We're a couple of friends review Korean dramas and today I have a
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  special friend with me. I have Carol from the K
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  Dramatics Club. Hey, Carol, Thank you so much
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  for having me. How's everyone doing for her?
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  Mandarin listeners that you how was she Carol?
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  Where sentencer language ubu to tie Bangla.
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  So super excited to be here. Carol, you blew my mind with a
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  mandarin, I had no idea of it. You knew to see how to speak
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  Mandarin. But that goes hand-in-hand with
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  what we're going to talk about today because we're not
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  reviewing a Korean drama today. We're reviewing a Chinese drama,
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  a see drama today. The First one for the podcast
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  feed, I think a lot of you that follow their back on the
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  socials, know that I watch TV dramas whenever I feel like it
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  is kind of augmenting my kdrama watching and I've been doing it
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  for many years and I do it for the blog.
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  I do the reviews for see, dramas on the blog and I always do a
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  lot of see, dramas, actually for the patreon feed that I review.
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  And this is very, very special because Cuz I have never, we've
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  never done it for the regular. Dip out, feed and Carol was so
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  gracious enough to actually make this episode happen.
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  I meant in the patreon, I do a final say episode.
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  Usually, when I finish a kdrama or see drama that I'm watching
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  outside, the regular debacle ramble season and I usually do
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  this by myself, but I always do it for the patreon feed and when
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  I posted on my Instagram story about loving love and love
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  between Ferry and devil loves. In the show, I influenced a
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  bunch of people to watch the show including Carol and she
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  binged it, my DMs were buzzing. The tick-tocks were going viral
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  and Carol. So graciously and sweetly asked
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  if I was doing a podcast episode on it and that she'd love to
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  join. So I figured we could just take
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  the final say and do it on the regular feed and so you all have
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  Carol to thank for this. Really?
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  Thank you Carol. Thank you.
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  I was hooked in with your Tick, Tock videos.
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  The first one I was out, that's for sure.
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  I gotta watch. That's a show.
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  I gotta get on. So, thank you so much for having
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  me. You're welcome.
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  I had a great time making note of those tick-tocks and then one
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  of them went viral in kind of a negative way.
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  All of the sexist misogynistic trolls on Tick, Tock found it
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  and they started commenting. I even I think that tick-tocks
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  been up for like about a week and it kind of died down and now
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  it's like over. I think it's over 3 million
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  views and the like every few days it keeps like the trolls
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  find it again. And I have to clean up the
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  comments at the Block like hundreds of people.
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  It is ridiculous out here. So Carol, I'm so glad that The
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  Tick-Tock actually found its target audience and that it
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  influenced you to watch the show.
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  It is. I think we're going to review
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  basically the C drom of the Year.
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  Yeah, so many people have talked about the show love between
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  Ferry and devil and how amazing it is and we're going to do the
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  same. I think it's no secret that like
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  we're here because we had a great time watching this show
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  but before we get into it I'm going to do a little bit of
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  housekeeping. So if this is your first time
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  listening oh my God. Thank you so much for popping in
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  Janet Curtis bail, Cindy and CD. All right, we're going to get
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  into it. I will put this PSA, the second
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  PSA at the front end. And at the back end of the
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  general behind the scenes, my drama, listen abscess and all of
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  the people who made this show because we're not going to do an
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  on spoiler section. So let me repeat, there is no
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  non-spoiler section after I get through the cast and everybody
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  we're going to launch headlong into the spoiler section.
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  So beware, if you Watch the show, you're going to get
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  spoiled. So I am going to read them, I'd
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  Ramallah synopsis, and it's kind of long so bear with me.
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  But I feel like it's kind of necessary I guess to for
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  everyone to be on the same page. If you haven't watched this in a
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  while or what have you? So here we go.
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  According to Legend, in order to obtain terrible power don't
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  functioning song of the Moon tribe, became an emotionless
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  monster. He killed his father sees the
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  position of moon Supreme and led an army of 100,000 Moon tribe
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  soldiers. On a Path of Devastation, SRI on
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  Theon, The Immortal fairy realm, Kang Yang, see the moon tribe
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  and you among see the mortar World.
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  We're in grave danger to save the world and stop.
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  Don't find Shang Tsung and his army.
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  The first God of War of XI XI and done.
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  Destroyed her primordial Spirit, don't punching songs, Army and
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  primordial Spirit were sealed and his body was locked away and
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  how Tiant our Under The Immortal bonds of the Halcyon Matrix.
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  This is like a tongue twister. I swear, however, it is,
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  however, if is primordial It was restored and down.
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  Functioning sang were to break free from his Tower.
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  The world would be in danger. Once more Legend, says, that
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  only the goddess of shank and prevent this catastrophe, but
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  she vanished Without a Trace Q. Avatar theme 30,000 years after
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  the first God of War. Sacrifice there was a
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  disturbance in the how Town Matrix while attempting to help.
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  The new God of War, reinforce The Matrix, or get a week.
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  And low-ranking flower flower fairy accidentally finds herself
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  inside how Tiant our and face-to-face.
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  Faced with the moon Supreme himself, their encounter sets
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  off a chain of events that threatens to change the fate of
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  the world. Once again, all right, that was
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  really wrong but that's basically episode one and I will
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  say this love between Ferry and double aired.
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  This year, August 20, 22, it is 36 episodes long.
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  It's directed by Zhang and I hope that I don't butcher their
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  names too much. But he's young and he's directed
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  falling into you from 2022 and young blood from. 19 among other
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  things. This is written by CAO, Lau Chan
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  and he's written things like the lady in butchers house from
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  2022, which is a historical, see, drama, and the crack of
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  dawn also from this year. And that is a modern see drama.
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  He's done a bunch of other stuff but that's just his stuff from
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  2022. He's done, he's written three
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  shows just in this year which is crazy.
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  And then his co-writer this he yeah he booked it.
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  Busy. Yes.
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  So his co-writer on love between Ferry and devil was by Jin Jin
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  and this is her first writing credit ever.
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  So I'm really excited to see what else she puts out.
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  What else fills out her filmography and stuff this show.
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  I'm just going to say the first, you know, the leaders of this
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  troop here and that's Esther you stars as Orchid.
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  She made her acting debut in 2016 and the TV tray.
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  Border Town, prodigal and she's done quite a few TV shows
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  including my amazing boyfriend to which I forgot that that got
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  a sequel. I watched the first season of
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  that and she's also been in find yourself as it says, she's a
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  main role. I honestly cannot remember her
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  character that well, which sucks.
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  So I remember watching that show but like her face is gone from
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  like the cast. So, I think everyone is Is
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  excited about this next guy because it's Dylan Wang as Moon.
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  Supreme, don't punching sign. Yes.
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  Carol, everybody knows him from his first leading role as Dom
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  and she in the 2018 remake be near a garden and that basically
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  made him a star. That is what happened Carol's
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  like head against the wall like complete, like just so overcome.
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  I've just been going down a rabbit hole of fan edits.
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  Oh, God, watch the show and it's just, it's just giving me life.
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  I know everything I need. I know girl.
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  So Dylan I've been in love with Dylan since Meteor Garden and
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  then I never watched any of his other shows until now, so
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  they're there I am. The love is back.
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  I like I never left and I think we're gonna say another PSA
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  here, before we get started, you will be spoiled In the next few
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  seconds. If you have not watched the show
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  and you want to stay unspoiled, you should watch it and then
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  come back here for this review, okay?
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  Carol girl, what happened? Tell me what happened, how did
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  you love the show? Oh my gosh, it took me on quite
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  the roller coaster. So I think that when I first,
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  when I saw your Ted Talk where he like comes to save her, yes,
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  I got my God, I gotta watch that show like that.
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  At whole eclipse of the moon and the moon goes away.
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  And then he shows up and people dissolve, I was like, this is
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  it? This is it, let's see.
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  So I started and in the first couple of scenes, we see her.
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  So enamored with the God of War down.
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  Oh sorry I said the wrong name yet tongue.
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  Yeah she was she was enamored with chuckling and she does
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  this. I'm gonna sacrifice myself.
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  Helps to save him and I'm like, girl, it's not that to you.
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  It's not that deep. This guy hasn't even shown you
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  that he's interested. So she goes into this tumbling.
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  I guess prison that they have made.
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  Yeah, and she falls into DC fq. Yeah.
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  Is that what we're calling it? Yeah, we can call him.
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  D, fq v, fq c. The fqc.
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  Yeah. As she falls into him and they
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  have their first kiss and I was like wait a minute should put
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  table and everything. Yeah but I was just like wait
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  this is so design one episode getting we're getting good kiss
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  and therefore sold one and I'll starkel drama.
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  Yeah Ima take that I was sold. I'll take it was just it was
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  just fantastic and the whole kissing to switch bodies and
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  Nothing for it, it had Freaky, Friday, Secret Garden up in
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  there, too, because I swapped that it was a body swap for.
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  For I don't, they did like two times I think now they'd swap
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  back today. So what is that for four kisses
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  right there. Just from them body-swapping.
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  Yeah, so you were hooked hooked immediately.
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  Yeah, same. So what happened with me was
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  that I had seen Some edits earlier in the year during the
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  summer. When this was airing and I was
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  like, oh my God, this is like, fucking right up my alley.
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  Like I really want to watch the show, but I was in the middle of
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  doing a lot of kdrama watching for the podcast for this, for
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  the season 3. And I had no time outside of
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  that to really dedicate to watching a see drama.
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  And of course you, dramas are kind of what's the word, they
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  require a lot of time. Is it's not just 16 or 20
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  episodes. It's always like 50 60 episodes
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  or something. It's a big commitment.
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  So I was like, I can't do this right now, so I didn't then the
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  season ends but what season 3 of their Buck ends.
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  And I have some time and I thought oh my God I'm going to
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  press play on love between very and double finally girl, the
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  first freaking couple of minutes.
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  I was like, this is it like I'm hooked?
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  I Can't wait to finish the show and the my only thing was oh my
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  God, it's only 36 episodes. I think that's very accessible
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  of a see drama and they kept that plot tight and they had the
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  writing doing so much heavy lifting.
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  And these actors were acting. Like, it was like, so much fun
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  to see all of these pieces that makes you dramas so great.
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  Right. Which is usually a combination
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  of like great cinematography and A set pieces and stunning
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  costuming, beautiful head like jewelry, headpieces Flawless,
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  makeup, and wigs, and all of these things.
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  Plus the story, The acting the cast, like, all of this taken
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  together. It makes this show a stunner
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  like the best. See, drama that I've watched in
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  a really, really long time. I don't know if it was the same
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  for you, but I was like, it's like this is the best thing ever
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  I couldn't. I was binging it and funny thing
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  is I posted all those tick-tocks and then I kind of sat back and
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  was like, I can't girl I gotta calm down.
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  I can't get through this too fast because I want this to last
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  and I thought you texted. You messaged me and were like,
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  I'm almost done. Are you said I finished the
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  drama? You have fish.
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  What was that? Like a day, two days.
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  Yes, two days. And it has sir.
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  I was shocked. It was like you were shot.
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  Harrell were like, oh, I have more episodes.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I have. I have my job.
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  Yeah. I don't just like, you were,
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  like, I made the time. Yeah.
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  You're like, like, I don't have a life.
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  Like, I don't have a job. And I was like, I do.
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  But yeah. That was my excuse.
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  Was that I was like, I'm so busy and then you were like, I'm busy
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  too, but I like just blasted through it.
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  And yeah, I oh my God. I didn't want it to end.
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  I did not want it to end. It was something to look forward
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  to. Every time I came home and I'm
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  so glad I don't have to wait for No episode.
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  Some people were like, yeah, I was watching this as it was
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  airing and it was torture because the episodes would end
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  and then I have to wait the next week.
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  Yeah, I was like, hmm, can't do that with a dram of this good.
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  Can't do that. No, thank you.
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  I can only sit and watch my cage, right?
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  Emma's currently, because now I'm used to it by Chinese drama.
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  Hmm. I got a bench, the whole, yes.
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  So talking about, see dramas. What has been your experience
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  with? See dramas, just so that, you
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  know, our listeners can kind of understand where we're coming
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  from because I think I've won watching.
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  See dramas a lot for the number of years that I've watched it.
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  I haven't been watching it as long as you have.
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  I don't think Okay. Okay, my first CD drama was a
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  1986 drama mind you. I was probably watching it and
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  like 1991, so I was a couple of years later.
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  Okay. Got ya got it was a drama called
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  Journey to the West and it was being aired on national TV in
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  Ghana where I grew up and then I picked up, see dramas again in
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  2004 when I got intimate at home, I had Crunchyroll and yes
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  just when Crunchyroll was free I was gel hammering.
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  The drama is so yeah, nice. So good.
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  Yeah, I think I've been watching them since 2017, I think around
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  there 2016 or 2017 because I have been doing kdramas for a
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  while and I think I had watched like a.
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  Maybe I'd watched a Thai drama. And I had watched a, oh my God,
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  what's the language? Oh my God, a Turkish drama.
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  Okay, which was really interesting and I love the
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  language. I was a beautiful language but I
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  don't think I ever finish 60 so long who's like a lot of
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  episodes. So anyway, so I had watched
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  those and then I got into see dramas and I never looked back
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  because I instantly found like my favorite genres.
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  I guess of see drama. I don't think I'd usually go for
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  the modern ones. They're not.
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  Like 100 for me but I love the Lucia and the ciancia see
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  dramas, the costume period pieces and stuff.
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  I love those so much and funny story about I think one of my
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  first see dramas was I don't remember the name of it but it
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  was something about empresses of the palace.
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  I think was the name of it. Okay.
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  Okay. So it was a lot of drama in the
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  Harem of the palace and it's like young girl gets picked up
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  and like she gets inserted into the Harem, and she becomes the
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  King's favorite, all the stuff like very typical, you know,
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  Royal fodder for a see drama, and I watch it on Netflix.
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  And I kept thinking my God, this is such bad storytelling,
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  because they keep skipping over who killed her child like a
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  missing, entire scenes, entire scenes, entirely gone.
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  And I was like, wait, maybe it's like maybe they didn't intend to
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  It and I was like trying to reason with it and say, like,
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  maybe they don't know, maybe there's subtext that I'm missing
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  from it, but it was like very herky-jerky storytelling and I
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  get to the end of it and I was like, this was good, but I feel
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  like it would the editing was terrible.
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  And I had all these questions because they were talking about
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  things and referring to things that had never seen before.
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  Never heard about in the show before.
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  So I looked it up, online, people were fucking livid,
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  Because Netflix had chopped up the drama and edited it for.
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  I guess they're audience that they assumed wouldn't want to
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  see the entire see drama which was a High episode count.
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  So they edited it down for Netflix.
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  And that's why entire scenes plot lines were like missing or
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  told terribly. And I was like, oh my God, this
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  is a crime. Like, I still want to prosecute
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  for what they did. Did to that drama because it's
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  so rude. Like how, why would you think to
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  do that? It was anyway, so miracle that I
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  kept watching, see dramas after that.
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  But yeah, I would like to know what are your favorite genres of
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  see drama. And if you had to carve out a
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  mark Mount Rushmore of see dramas.
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  What shows would be up there. Okay, genres wrong.
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  RAB cough. Cough Ganda teenage school.
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  Oh yeah. Okay.
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  Yeah. And mushiya?
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  Those those are so good. Okay.
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  I kind of feel like we have basically the same taste and see
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  dramas because I always it kdramas.
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  I will go all over the place for genres.
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  I could do Thriller. I could do this.
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  I could do that. Yeah, yeah.
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  But now for see, dramas, I have Kept the same formula since I
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  started watching and it's always like romance rom-com historical,
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  's period pieces. If you're talking about a
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  Mortals I'm like, yeah. Sign me up like if this is very
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  similar to to my taste. So cool.
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  So we walked into this, basically guaranteed.
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  No, not guaranteed to like it, but, you know, it's made for us,
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  exactly, highly possible that we will enjoy it and we did Like
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  compared to other Russia. As we've said what we've seen
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  one. We didn't get as many kisses.
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  Oh yeah, I know I said kiss is a lot but like it's important to
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  me. Okay, man.
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  Same same, so we don't get that many and the stories are much
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  longer. So we're looking at like that 70
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  episodes etcetera and the writing is not as tight.
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  So yeah, I loved this so much. Much.
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  And what about your Mount Rushmore of?
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  See dramas, what are your favorites?
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  Dan, you know, I okay. This is a very old one, okay?
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  It was with Rainie Yang and Mikey and he was playing devil
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  beside me. So now.
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  Okay and then Ariel Lin did Tokyo Juliet and I will not love
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  you or I'll never love you with Bolin Chen.
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  Okay? Fantastic job.
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  It was like a friends friends to lovers.
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  Come lord, sign me up. Oh, my Let me write it down.
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  Oh, okay. Okay, please.
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  Yes, I'll send you the link. It's with Bolin Chen and Ariel
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  Ariel Lin. Mmm.
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  And they are love. Their story is, I'll Never Love
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  You. Okay, okay, yeah, no, sorry, any
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  time with you. So in time with you, okay, and
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  time with you and then I'll say bars, so Mars.
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  Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, marzu Mars was such a traumatic girl
• 23:11
  drama girl, but at the same time, I keep going back to its
• 23:16
  addictive. So good.
• 23:18
  Yeah, with Barbie shoes. You.
• 23:20
  And that guy from Meteor Garden. Yes.
• 23:25
  I forgot his name to oh my God. Yeah, so Mars, if you haven't
• 23:31
  watched Mars, it's based on a. What is it called?
• 23:36
  It's not a manhwa, it's a book. What is it called?
• 23:41
  Oh my God. What's the equivalent of a
• 23:44
  manhwa anime? No.
• 23:46
  Um, anyway, it's based on a graphic novel thing. that I
• 23:51
  forget the name of and they turned it into a show and it is
• 23:54
  so good, so good him and him on the motorcycle and like the hair
• 24:00
  that he had, no girl, girl. Oh my gosh.
• 24:05
  And that painting, or that picture with fire around him,
• 24:09
  quit their, quit it. So anyway, this will turn into a
• 24:13
  Mars drama real fast. So we're gonna so those are your
• 24:17
  Mount some more Mount Rushmore, see, dramas great.
• 24:19
  So mine have to do exclusively With like Immortals and Sansa
• 24:24
  and stuff. So I'll choose eternal love
• 24:27
  which is I think it's also known by like 10 miles of peach
• 24:33
  blossoms or something like that. Like the peach blossom show and
• 24:39
  Ashes of love, for sure. And yes, oh my gosh, actions of
• 24:45
  love and I will go ahead and put love between Ferry and devil on
• 24:50
  my Mount Rushmore because I loved it, I loved it, I think
• 24:54
  it's fantastic. Okay, so thank you so much for
• 24:58
  playing along and giving us your Mount Rushmore and your genres
• 25:01
  and your experience watching. See drama sorry.
• 25:04
  What do you want to talk about first for the show?
• 25:08
  Although because people know we love it.
• 25:09
  Why do we love it? So I think We have to discuss
• 25:12
  Dylan because Dylan is a huge part of this.
• 25:18
  Um I am like madly in love with Dylan.
• 25:21
  Dylan Wing is like, so appealing to me.
• 25:25
  I this is like oh my God I don't can't believe I'm saying this
• 25:28
  but like he has like my my ideal body type like ever since.
• 25:33
  I was like a preteen the tall lanky slightly more like barely
• 25:40
  muscular kind. Of dudes with like a pretty
• 25:43
  face. That that is my tight ever since
• 25:47
  I was a child. Basically, my crush is have sort
• 25:51
  of looked like Dylan, Dylan Wang, not that they were
• 25:54
  beautiful Asian men all the time.
• 25:56
  But like, you know, they were that kind of style and oh my
• 26:01
  God, every time I see Dylan, I'm like reminded of this like deep
• 26:04
  sets like attraction. I acted this kind of dude and he
• 26:09
  has played basically One of the most famous roles you could
• 26:15
  possibly have in the Drama World.
• 26:18
  He's played The Boys Over Flowers, Meteor Garden.
• 26:21
  Yeah, guy and so I like I said before I've been madly in love
• 26:25
  with him since then, then I popped off the bandwagon.
• 26:30
  Now I'm back on it and I'm obsessed.
• 26:33
  I think that his acting was pretty good and Meteor Garden.
• 26:39
  Now, looking back at, Meteor Garden.
• 26:42
  It's probably not that great. This drama love between fair and
• 26:46
  devil. Impress me, completely, with his
• 26:50
  acting his ability and just how far he's come.
• 26:53
  It seems like he's improved so much.
• 26:56
  Do you agree with that? I agree.
• 26:59
  The first time I saw Dylan was in the rational life.
• 27:04
  Oh, okay. That drama is now on Netflix.
• 27:07
  Yes, it is. And confession.
• 27:11
  Did not see him and Meteor Garden.
• 27:14
  Like I just heard cuz I was partial to the first time you
• 27:20
  need. Yes, your garden?
• 27:21
  Yes, okay. And I was like, no, I'm not
• 27:23
  going to do that. Then I watched voiceover.
• 27:26
  No, I watch the Japanese one. Had a you read angle.
• 27:30
  Yes. Regarding okay.
• 27:32
  And then I watched Boys Over Flowers and at that point, I was
• 27:37
  like, you know why Carol no sense in delaying it this time
• 27:41
  Toxic life. It's over like, let's not do it
• 27:44
  and I didn't see that. So how you held out after that
• 27:50
  exactly. Matter going into his his
• 27:54
  portfolio. Like okay, let's let's go back.
• 27:57
  I think this is worth it. So I've heard you talk about it.
• 28:01
  It's on my list now. Oh my God.
• 28:04
  I do still haven't seen media Garden.
• 28:06
  Okay. So we might have to do a Meteor
• 28:08
  Garden episode. Then when Carol finishes me,
• 28:11
  Your garden from 2018. I thought it was excellent.
• 28:15
  I think I have a review. I think on the blog for it which
• 28:20
  has like my raw thoughts like right after I finished it, I
• 28:23
  think they just updated it so well for the times that were in
• 28:28
  and they kind of left off at least a good chunk of what makes
• 28:33
  that character so toxic and kind of cringey to return to in 2022
• 28:40
  and He at pineapple head is such a great character because you
• 28:45
  find him, so adorable and vulnerable and places and then
• 28:50
  like really hard and cool in so many other places.
• 28:53
  So he's got that cool dichotomy that he keeps up in this love
• 28:58
  between Ferry and devil as well, where you like, he's very
• 29:00
  vulnerable and places and other places.
• 29:05
  You can't get a read on him. He's very careful and cold.
• 29:11
  So That's, I don't know. I think he does that really
• 29:13
  well. Yes, so, okay, when this show
• 29:18
  started I was over the moon with how If you can, we swear on the
• 29:25
  shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck.
• 29:29
  I'm gonna do my thing. This is the girl I want.
• 29:32
  This is mine. Very toxic, but he played it so
• 29:38
  well. My, yes, you sexy you sexy.
• 29:43
  I'm buying into it. Yep.
• 29:45
  And then you see him transform into this vulnerable.
• 29:50
  Person, not serving, just himself or his Is Moon tribe.
• 29:56
  He is, he wants to be of service to Orchid and I'm just like, oh,
• 30:03
  girl, girl, it's The Taming of the Beast.
• 30:07
  It's The Taming of the Beast rope, which of course in real
• 30:10
  life doesn't fly. You can just like, tame a toxic
• 30:16
  rude Tyrant, dude with like kindness but and this show it's
• 30:24
  up. It's a fucking high fantasy.
• 30:27
  See drama. It's fake.
• 30:30
  Give it to me, anytime of the day.
• 30:31
  Like, I love that Trope, and I do love how you're alluding to
• 30:36
  his character Arc, which amazing amazing character Arc that he
• 30:39
  has. He like, I said, starts off
• 30:41
  really cold and emotionless, really, and towards the end,
• 30:48
  he's the complete opposite. He's very emotional.
• 30:52
  And in touch, with his feelings. What he He wants he has so much
• 30:57
  affection and just love for orchid that he completely shirks
• 31:02
  his responsibilities. As the moon Supreme and
• 31:07
  full-time takes care of her tries to get closer to her.
• 31:11
  And of course, there's like reasons for it in the plot for
• 31:15
  him to want to be closer to her, or she doesn't remember who he
• 31:20
  is. But anyway, that's beside the
• 31:22
  point. I love how They tame him and I
• 31:25
  love how he is able to reconcile with his family and it's all
• 31:33
  because of her because she's in his life, he changes.
• 31:39
  Oh my God, it's so beautiful to see his ark and to see we can
• 31:43
  talk a little bit more about it. I mean there's no reason to like
• 31:45
  not but she cared for him a lot for the first, maybe half of the
• 31:52
  show or the mocha the show like three.
• 31:54
  Three quarters of the show, she's taking care of him, and
• 31:58
  she helps him reconcile with his brother and his dad died.
• 32:01
  She recognized resurrects, his emotions, his emotions tree.
• 32:05
  And, like his, you know, all this crap.
• 32:07
  She made him come alive, and she nurtured him back to life.
• 32:12
  And I really like an episode 18. When he's confronting his dad in
• 32:16
  the afterlife and the dad is like, well, I had to do all
• 32:22
  these things so that you could become this.
• 32:24
  Supreme and learn how to harness Hellfire.
• 32:26
  You had to get tortured essentially to learn that the
• 32:33
  Motions were no good and like you basically killed off
• 32:36
  something inside of yourself. And yes it was how do I put this
• 32:44
  really sad and a really intense part of the show to see him
• 32:50
  getting the answers that he wanted the D fq C was like why
• 32:53
  did you do This to me. Did you even love me and asking
• 32:57
  these hard hard questions. And the dad was like, it killed
• 33:00
  me inside to do this to you. And I could no longer live with
• 33:07
  myself. So like the other Surefire way
• 33:09
  to make sure that you cut off your emotions and learned how to
• 33:12
  use Hellfire was. If you killed somebody that you
• 33:14
  loved. So I could know.
• 33:16
  Let it was like a suicide basically.
• 33:19
  This dad was like, it wasn't you murdering me?
• 33:21
  It was really suicide. Which is really sad, and the dad
• 33:26
  was like, well, I see that your emotions tree is alive again.
• 33:30
  It's been resurrected. Why don't you just scatter my
• 33:35
  primordial Spirit. Now here and now and kill me
• 33:38
  again, so that you can return to being this lofty, Moon Supreme
• 33:43
  with these Almighty Hellfire Powers because otherwise you're
• 33:47
  kind of a Sitting Duck. And you can't fulfill this
• 33:50
  Destiny of like Reviving The Moon tribe in all this crap and
• 33:55
  D. Fq C does something really
• 33:57
  really Brave here because he he's chooses himself and he
• 34:01
  says, I'm going to choose for myself.
• 34:03
  I'm not going to cut off anything and I choose to feel
• 34:06
  pain and love in equal measure and I brutal.
• 34:15
  And I just think that I've all of us have come to that.
• 34:19
  That place where, you know, buy some design of life, we come
• 34:25
  across a really hard rock, where we were just like we're stuck in
• 34:29
  this place. We don't I would rather not feel
• 34:32
  anything. Then feel always pain and
• 34:35
  suffering that I'm feeling right now and this character is like
• 34:41
  nah man. I just I'd rather feel
• 34:42
  everything than nothing. You know, I love that you bring
• 34:46
  it up because in the beginning of the show, when he is in her
• 34:51
  Library, where Orchid works and lives, he starts so because of
• 35:00
  their kiss, he starts feeling everything, she feels.
• 35:04
  Hmm. And I remember there was a
• 35:06
  particular scene where she is having a bad dream or a
• 35:10
  nightmare when she's sleeping, and he can feel what Feeling
• 35:15
  mmm. And he feels fear and he's like,
• 35:19
  this is what I feel. I haven't felt that in so long.
• 35:22
  Oh my gosh. That's what it feels like.
• 35:24
  And then you see him later on in the show, actually, experiencing
• 35:29
  all these feelings of fear, and grief, and anger.
• 35:34
  And it's just so beautiful to see because he or someone who
• 35:38
  could not emote or whose emotions were caught off
• 35:42
  intentionally to someone. Who is brave enough to want to
• 35:47
  explore it and even his awkwardness and exploring things
• 35:51
  like for some reason? Yes, I want you, I like you
• 35:56
  Orchid. I'm going to spend my time with
• 35:58
  you, but then with his brother, he's like, oh yeah, he wants to
• 36:02
  kill me, whatever, like yeah. And she's like, trying to teach
• 36:06
  him how to hug his brother smile at your brother and he's open.
• 36:13
  That's the thing that I really I loved about his character as he
• 36:18
  was growing. It wasn't just, I'm just doing
• 36:21
  this for you and I'm going to concentrate on you, but he was
• 36:25
  showing it to his first first hand man.
• 36:30
  His brother to the leaders and the moon tribe.
• 36:35
  Right rightful. Yeah, I agree completely that
• 36:38
  the show. I think see dramas normally take
• 36:41
  the bad guy villain is strop that he is.
• 36:45
  The archetype of that and they only apply any goodness and
• 36:50
  benevolence and love to the female lead.
• 36:54
  Like the one person who has like can you know talk to him the way
• 36:59
  that you're talking to him, you know what I'm saying?
• 37:01
  And be close to him and stuff and in this show they extended
• 37:06
  further than her Orchid for sure gets the brunt of his love and
• 37:11
  affection and care. But you know she teaches him.
• 37:15
  Everyone else deserves that much, as well, and especially
• 37:20
  your brother, especially your right-hand, man.
• 37:22
  Who for the large part of the show, he was like, I can't even
• 37:25
  trust him like I don't, I don't trust anybody around me and
• 37:29
  she's like, um, he's extremely loyal to you.
• 37:33
  Of course, you can trust him. Like she sees straight through
• 37:36
  everybody. I thought that that was a
• 37:38
  tremendous thing to have in the her character was she may not be
• 37:43
  strong physically, but But she's super strong relationally and
• 37:47
  emotionally, she's got so, so much emotional intelligence and
• 37:51
  intuition. And she's constantly reading the
• 37:54
  room and translating, subtext and undertones to dfq.
• 37:58
  See, who's completely clueless half the time and they
• 38:02
  complement each other. And she's the one who ushers in
• 38:05
  this era of him being more intuitive emotionally.
• 38:10
  And what's the word straight? Not straightforward.
• 38:15
  It forthcoming in his emotions and a great initiator because
• 38:21
  the brother is almost was brought up the same way.
• 38:24
  He cannot really bridge the gap here between him and d f g c and
• 38:29
  she's like hey it kind of seems like your brother wanted to talk
• 38:32
  to you about something in that conversation you were having.
• 38:34
  She just like has to tell d fq c like hey I think you missed
• 38:38
  something here and she hated us that it's amazing to see that
• 38:43
  you know, even though Orchid is So weak, like, they call her a
• 38:46
  week, even in the, my drama list synopsis that she's really
• 38:49
  actually very strong. Yeah.
• 38:52
  Yeah, emotional intelligence. She has it.
• 38:57
  Mmm-hmm, I do think that it's every bit of a struggle for me
• 39:06
  to believe and OK, you can, this is a fantasy drama.
• 39:13
  I have to remind myself. Because I was, I think I wanted
• 39:18
  to see a moment of hesitancy for her, especially when she was
• 39:23
  gun. Who about you do not kill the
• 39:25
  fairy kingdom. That's, those are my people.
• 39:28
  That's where I grew up. Yeti Yeti.
• 39:29
  Yeah. And then you find out that
• 39:32
  actually the fairy kingdom ain't shit like they're not, they're
• 39:36
  not that good. And one of them is the reason
• 39:40
  why your parents died. So why are you holding me back
• 39:44
  from? Killing them off.
• 39:46
  Like I there was never a moment. Yeah, these people are bad.
• 39:54
  But hmm. I see what you're saying.
• 39:58
  Can't do that. I see her saying she never
• 40:00
  struggles with who's good and who's bad.
• 40:04
  Yes, she never does. She kind of thinks that
• 40:06
  everybody is there's good and bad and everybody or that.
• 40:10
  They're sorry there's good in everybody.
• 40:13
  Yes she did believe. Leave that.
• 40:16
  He was bad. Well, yeah he was she believed
• 40:20
  he was ambiguous at first and then she hears stories and she's
• 40:24
  like, oh you're the bad guy and then she sits with herself and
• 40:27
  she's like, actually he's been very good to me.
• 40:31
  Like I think y'all are just misunderstanding him and that's
• 40:34
  when you see her trying to protect him, trying to hide him.
• 40:39
  And she did a very good job of that.
• 40:42
  But in terms of who's I, Is her super power, really is seeing
• 40:49
  through people and understanding what their motives are and why
• 40:54
  they are doing the things they are doing and she just happens
• 40:58
  to be correct. So I love that.
• 41:00
  Yeah but also a, my girl give me some revenge.
• 41:05
  Give me some yes, yes, she never takes the low road to speak of
• 41:14
  her. I love how you bring up that she
• 41:20
  kind of had this skewed view of the Moon Supreme.
• 41:23
  And obviously, she didn't know that the fqc was a moon Supreme
• 41:28
  for like a long time. Like, he was lying to her.
• 41:30
  And she's talking shit about the moon Supreme in front of him,
• 41:34
  and she's like, oh yeah. Like he loves to eat, like dirt
• 41:38
  or whatever, like she has, all this like crazy misinformation
• 41:40
  about the moon Supreme passed down through Legend.
• 41:43
  Basically, cuz it's been Thirty Thousand years since he's quote,
• 41:48
  unquote died and he gets upset, it's like a very cute to see.
• 41:52
  But finally, I like when they are, they've swapped bodies,
• 41:56
  she's in his body and he's in hers and there in the moon
• 42:00
  Supreme Kingdom there in the moon tribe Kingdom.
• 42:03
  Sorry. And she sits down to eat or
• 42:06
  heat. Guess her in his body sits down
• 42:09
  to eat and she's like, oh my God, what are they going to
• 42:12
  serve me? I heard that, he likes to eat
• 42:13
  live animals and it's like this crazy.
• 42:15
  She's freaking out in his head because she thinks she's about
• 42:20
  to be served like some crazy dish and you, like unload, like
• 42:23
  all of the dishes and she's like, oh, this sucks even better
• 42:27
  than what I eat in the fairy kingdom like this looks really
• 42:30
  delicious and she's like, pleasantly surprised.
• 42:33
  Things like that, really kind of break down her Prejudice or or,
• 42:40
  you know, the misinformation that she has about Moon Supreme
• 42:43
  and it makes her kind of appreciate him.
• 42:45
  More because look at the, you know, food that he eats look at
• 42:48
  the life that he lives. And it's she has all these
• 42:51
  misconceptions about the moon tribe and when she's living over
• 42:55
  there, like they all come to naught.
• 42:56
  Yes, it's the dark kingdom. Yes, they were dark clothes and
• 43:00
  they it was very what did they like the look of the kingdom and
• 43:07
  the palace and stuff reminded me of like like a middle eastern
• 43:12
  Kingdom. Like they went for that kind of
• 43:17
  Middle Eastern, looking aesthetic.
• 43:20
  And I really appreciated that because I think that's also
• 43:23
  playing into, I don't know. This might be reading too much
• 43:27
  into it, but like I feel like post 9/11, it has been a kind of
• 43:32
  Journey to bring the Middle East into back into the good graces
• 43:38
  of like the West, right? And I'm sure it's kind of the
• 43:41
  same way. Worldwide.
• 43:43
  Like I kind of expected to be on some level, a little bit of the
• 43:46
  same for other cultures and to see them kind of play that up in
• 43:54
  the show a little bit to see them almost like, appreciate the
• 43:59
  Middle Eastern aesthetic and the culture.
• 44:01
  And you know they have all of these motifs around the palace
• 44:07
  and stuff and the moon tribe and I'm like this is stunning, this
• 44:10
  is gorgeous. And of course The fairy kingdom
• 44:14
  has all of these like crazy Notions about this evil Moon
• 44:18
  tribe when they're just as sick I guess, civilized right?
• 44:25
  And and terrible as the fairy tribe.
• 44:27
  Like there's no, there's no apples and oranges here.
• 44:30
  It's pretty much like green apple and red apple.
• 44:34
  Exactly. Right.
• 44:36
  So I found that kind of cool. Mmm.
• 44:40
  Yeah. So we were talking about It's we
• 44:43
  are actually talked about Orchid.
• 44:45
  I think I want to talk about Esther a little bit because
• 44:49
  Esther you, who plays Orchid does a pretty good job.
• 44:54
  I said, in my mid, say, episode on the patreon feed that I was
• 44:58
  kind of annoyed by her portrayal of orchid just because she's a
• 45:02
  little bit cringy. She's very childish, she plays
• 45:05
  egg. Yo lot, she's acting very cutesy
• 45:08
  and that sort of thing is compounded because he's doing it
• 45:12
  all the time. Time.
• 45:13
  It's not for a gag, it's not for, you know, a couple of
• 45:17
  scenes here and there, it's all the time.
• 45:19
  She's always giggling always like prancing around and it
• 45:23
  feels just annoying to me. It's a little bit frustrating to
• 45:28
  see her kind of like, almost like ditzy in a way like it just
• 45:33
  seems like she's not all there, all the times.
• 45:35
  It doesn't care and I think that I was expecting expecting hard
• 45:43
  expecting a change, whenever she realized her identity and became
• 45:49
  the goddess again, I was like, there's gonna be a personality
• 45:51
  change here. A hard left turn here because
• 45:54
  she's so lovable and lovely as Orchid and childish and naive
• 46:01
  and innocent and all this stuff. The Goddess that she really is
• 46:05
  definitely is not like that though, in my mind there was no
• 46:07
  way and I was Like when she turns back into the goddess
• 46:11
  towards the end of the show, she is quite wise and has a totally
• 46:17
  different Persona. She doesn't like to sleep late.
• 46:19
  She wakes up early, she doesn't need to eat food before.
• 46:23
  She was a glutton and she loved to eat.
• 46:25
  And now she's fasting all the time.
• 46:28
  Like, lots of differences between Orchid and the goddess.
• 46:32
  And I kind of like that, what did you think about Orchid?
• 46:35
  And her Esters portrayal of her? And the Between Orchid and the
• 46:40
  goddess, you know? I don't like too much egg yolk,
• 46:47
  like the cutesy bitsy Behavior, but I also see it as that is a
• 46:53
  way that she was protecting herself against bullies because
• 47:00
  you would see her either, there were moments where they would be
• 47:05
  gossiping behind her back or something.
• 47:07
  And then she would walk straight up to them and say, hey, like
• 47:12
  I'm going to win this thing or I'm participating.
• 47:15
  In this competition to be made for Chunk on.
• 47:19
  And apart from that when she is by herself though, she does have
• 47:26
  this child. Like she has no friends.
• 47:29
  She's not really interacting with people people and becoming
• 47:32
  take their Leaf Books, and leave and her friends were the
• 47:39
  fireflies, but if I like flowers, they were the flowers
• 47:44
  in her garden. And that were like cultivated
• 47:46
  enough to like take human form for a couple of minutes and then
• 47:49
  like go back. Exactly, so I feel like she was.
• 47:55
  She did have a lot of she's lovable.
• 47:58
  And I think that's why chumhum fell for her to in the beginning
• 48:02
  because she was so caring of him when he was injured, well, she's
• 48:07
  a nurture by Nature. Yeah, exactly.
• 48:17
  And, and then you would see her sort of play up this role when
• 48:23
  she was being bullied. Just so that I felt like she was
• 48:28
  using it as a protection mechanism, sometimes, and then
• 48:32
  other times, it was okay. When I have to stand up for
• 48:36
  myself, I'll stand up for myself and then, you know, run away
• 48:41
  walk away. So I I liked her.
• 48:45
  I think it was enough. I think her being that we really
• 48:50
  Amplified the way. Don't fencing.
• 48:56
  Kissing, yes, the fqc. Yes, it's a lot.
• 48:59
  It's a lot to say every time you say his name, it's like don't
• 49:01
  punching fun. Uh, see if you see.
• 49:03
  Okay, so his, you could see the contrast between the two because
• 49:10
  of just how much she played her egg yolk.
• 49:12
  Mmm. It was, it makes him look even
• 49:16
  more like even worse. I guess.
• 49:18
  I see what you're saying exactly, because there are
• 49:20
  complete Polar Opposites. When he doesn't have emotions
• 49:24
  and history is still Like, rugged and nasty.
• 49:28
  Yes, the difference between them is wild.
• 49:32
  You know, she's like sunshine and he's like the moon, like a
• 49:37
  truly is like a, he is the moon Supreme.
• 49:41
  Very, you know, barely. Well I can't say like Moon
• 49:45
  barely gives off light but you know what I'm saying?
• 49:47
  Like he's dark and she's not, he's brooding and he's and she's
• 49:50
  not and yeah the juxtaposition of them is drastic because
• 49:57
  especially because of how she's playing it.
• 49:59
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:00
  I want to hear some of your Scenes my favorite scenes.
• 50:04
  Oh my God. So they have to do a lot with me
• 50:08
  swooning over whatever is happening.
• 50:10
  I swear to God, I cannot believe how many spoons are the moments
• 50:15
  are in this show and I think that my favorite moments were,
• 50:21
  this is a long list. I have a, like, a laundry list
• 50:23
  here. So, just feel free to jump in,
• 50:24
  with whatever you have. If you agree or if you have
• 50:28
  something to say about these. Anytime d, fq c takes.
• 50:32
  Care of orchid. IE, collecting morning, do for
• 50:37
  her taking her to see the sunrise making her flower, soup,
• 50:41
  Etc. All of this stuff completely
• 50:44
  sent me into a tizzy. What your you have, like, your
• 50:47
  hand on your forehead like texting?
• 50:50
  You like, if you're not picking morning, do for me, do you even
• 50:54
  love me? Yes, you're not taking me to see
• 50:57
  the sun, right? Do you love me?
• 50:59
  Like, it was so it was so, so, I died.
• 51:04
  I was like, the get. If your man's is not collecting
• 51:07
  morning, do for you and taking you to see the sunrise and
• 51:10
  making you flowers soup. Dumped him like, he know, we
• 51:15
  don't want him, okay? He is not goals, anytime that he
• 51:19
  saved her in the show. I like we mentioned one where he
• 51:23
  likes, he causes an eclipse splits the sky and saves her,
• 51:28
  but I think that was the first time, but he constantly is
• 51:31
  saying really Dumb cheesy shit. When he shows up that I ate a, I
• 51:36
  was like eating it up. He was like, how dare you touch
• 51:39
  my woman? And like, saying things like
• 51:41
  that, when he showed up to save her and I was like hand over
• 51:45
  heart, I am living for it. I don't know why I am this way,
• 51:51
  but like, it's scratching an itch that I have.
• 51:55
  And it's really fun to sit. Not fun like, you know, going on
• 52:01
  a Merry-Go-Round fun. I'm talking Like fun
• 52:03
  entertainment and like, I don't know.
• 52:08
  I'm swooning with every time he saves her that first time was
• 52:11
  great when he said, oh God, when he saves her in front of the,
• 52:15
  the lord of the fairies or whatever.
• 52:17
  And they're in this giant throne room and they got her.
• 52:19
  They got her strung up in the middle of their whipping her
• 52:21
  with this magical whip. Girl, he shows up in like he's
• 52:25
  got all the the Hellfire look swirling around and he says his
• 52:30
  cheesy line and like laying here.
• 52:32
  He comes up behind her and like, puts his arm around.
• 52:41
  We're spazzing right now. Let's explain exactly what
• 52:44
  happened. So she is in her initiation
• 52:50
  thing to find her purpose. Yeah.
• 52:53
  And it doesn't work out and they well, they like the China I,
• 52:56
  what isn't it? The turd of the great turtle is
• 52:59
  verifying all of their identities before their
• 53:02
  initiated, as a mortal fairies, whatever the hell it is.
• 53:06
  And the turtle, she goes in the turtles, like, hey, I know you.
• 53:11
  And she's like, what? And like, he just gives her some
• 53:15
  like, a Scary answer. Like it's not time for you to
• 53:18
  like be here, some time for you to be a fairy.
• 53:20
  Like it's good to see you old friend and she has no idea
• 53:24
  what's going on. It's Spitzer back out and the
• 53:26
  turtle doesn't say anything about her that everyone's like,
• 53:30
  this has never happened before. Oh my God, she's not an orchid.
• 53:35
  What kind of thing is she like there was no confirmation about
• 53:39
  who she is or what she is. So they got release us.
• 53:41
  They I think what did the guys? The lord of the fairies like
• 53:44
  sent down like What a fire, something to harm her and the
• 53:49
  Hellfire bracelet like the bracelet made out of his blood.
• 53:54
  It activates and likes ends up like a flurry of Hellfire to
• 53:58
  protect her and they're like oh my God it's what was that
• 54:02
  Hellfire and then that's when they get really suspicious of
• 54:05
  her in these Stringer up to try and figure out who is she is?
• 54:09
  She from the Moon tribe, like what's going on?
• 54:11
  As this is like I got a fucking clue.
• 54:20
  Yeah, they're like, where is don't function song and she's
• 54:23
  like, I don't know why I thought he was dead, like she has no
• 54:26
  clue. And he shows up, he shows up,
• 54:31
  I'll see why she's in pain. He's doing his thing, trying to
• 54:36
  revive the moon tribe Army and he feels her pain.
• 54:41
  So he shows up while she's like being strong and the air with
• 54:47
  these gold, I guess. Chains chains.
• 54:50
  Yeah, and he comes behind her and grabs her.
• 54:58
  Waste. And we see that shot of his
• 55:01
  house. Come on, yes.
• 55:03
  But then they pan up to his face and he's just like glitter.
• 55:06
  He looks up at the guy glares at the man and I'm like, oh God, it
• 55:12
  does something. I just really like I know, I
• 55:16
  know, I know, I know, I know and then he like gingerly like sets
• 55:21
  her down and he's like, you know, dealing with her while
• 55:25
  they're in the bubble of Hellfire, like nothing can
• 55:27
  penetrate. This Shield that he put up and
• 55:30
  he's just like, taking his times like, are you okay?
• 55:33
  She's talking, like, you lied to me and he's like, sorry about
• 55:37
  it. Like it's not like there's
• 55:38
  nothing he can, he has no emotions at this point.
• 55:41
  So he's just like, yeah. Um, oh my God.
• 55:45
  Then he like reaches out to the side and like pick gets the
• 55:49
  bracelet that she had thrown out like puts it back on her like
• 55:53
  it's very like oh my God, a lot of possession happening.
• 55:58
  And what's it called? Like territorial stuff.
• 56:04
  That feels very like animalistic but I don't know why it works
• 56:09
  for me. I don't like to explore with our
• 56:18
  therapist. Yes, what he's like.
• 56:22
  How dare you touch? What is mine also?
• 56:29
  You got to tell him every time he saves her.
• 56:32
  I am super bunny so wounding. Yeah.
• 56:36
  Oh God, absolutely. So I don't know if there's any
• 56:41
  other times that you can think of that he saves her but those
• 56:44
  are like the two main times that I thought of right now.
• 56:47
  He takes the 51 bolts of lightning shirtless.
• 56:53
  I was going to school. Go for it, go for it because I
• 57:00
  think he had a slightly different reaction than I did.
• 57:03
  Yeah. So, his brother is taking these
• 57:07
  bolts for punishments for, you know, trying to pull a fast one
• 57:14
  on him. And he collects 30, and it's
• 57:19
  left with like 51. And his mother is like, you know
• 57:23
  what, I'm gonna take care for him, takes off his shirt and all
• 57:27
  sigh. Oh well, it's like a Tearaway
• 57:29
  shirt. Yes, why the shirt is terribly?
• 57:33
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 57:36
  But the effect that it needed to have happened and they and then
• 57:42
  I thought it was a beautiful moment, you know.
• 57:45
  Know what. Even though you're a fucking up,
• 57:47
  you're still my brother. I still care for you at that
• 57:51
  time, though. I don't know if I was, I just
• 57:55
  wanted to get the brother felt like an annoying tick that you
• 57:59
  wanted to take off. All right?
• 58:00
  I'm just like, let's just get rid of him but I also see that
• 58:07
  okay? It is your family at the time,
• 58:10
  he couldn't really or he was just starting.
• 58:15
  Into grass. Mmm.
• 58:17
  The effect of killing his dad. Yeah, starting to feel all the
• 58:23
  yeah, I'm shins and he sees where his brother is coming
• 58:26
  from. So it was a very sweet moment
• 58:30
  and I'm not sure in that moment, the brother got it, he felt
• 58:33
  like, oh, you're just trying to show off or something and after
• 58:38
  the brother was like you know what, you didn't have to do
• 58:40
  that. That was that was really nice of
• 58:42
  you, right? Well Orchid, helps that.
• 58:45
  A pout because after you takes the bolts of lightning, he's
• 58:49
  injured and can't really speak for himself and or get helps him
• 58:52
  off the floor. And this is when the brothers,
• 58:55
  like, I can't believe you did this little blond like talking
• 58:58
  shit about him again. And she says, he didn't do this
• 59:01
  for any. You no reason to look Brave or
• 59:04
  anything he did this as a result of, you know, feeling guilty and
• 59:11
  all this. All these new feelings that he
• 59:13
  has guilt and grief and remorse. These things and she sets down
• 59:17
  that mirror thing that like, recorded their conversation in
• 59:20
  this spiritual realm with his dad and like, that whole entire
• 59:25
  thing. And so, the brother gets to hear
• 59:28
  the father talk about why he set out his emotions and why
• 59:32
  tortured him and he gets to hear this reconciliation and that's
• 59:38
  when the brothers like, oh wow, I totally read that wrong.
• 59:40
  The 51 bolts of lightning, so yeah, that was good.
• 59:44
  But What did you think of Dylan shirtless?
• 59:53
  It's all the shallow and I feel like this is the shallowest I've
• 59:55
  ever been on the show ever. Been on that bike.
• 59:59
  I like so. What did you think of Dylan
• 1:00:02
  shirtless? Okay, go.
• 1:00:08
  It did not look like he was wearing one of those prosthetic
• 1:00:12
  know that. Yes, because that made the
• 1:00:14
  rounds on Tick. Tock to was this lady sharing
• 1:00:18
  this, like behind the scenes, look at a Out of these see drama
• 1:00:23
  stars that have to do is to shirtless seeing.
• 1:00:25
  They don't work out for it. They don't like beef up Marvel
• 1:00:28
  style. What they do is they have this
• 1:00:30
  like bodysuit the type where that has like ABS in it and it
• 1:00:34
  makes him look really buff, but its fake.
• 1:00:37
  So I don't think it was the body suit like that Tick Tock.
• 1:00:44
  Yeah, expose thing happened. I think it was a body double but
• 1:00:49
  now I'm not sure because As I'm currently watching, Miss the
• 1:00:52
  Dragon. And there's a moment where he
• 1:00:56
  see him like, you know, shirtless and I was like, man,
• 1:01:00
  that looks pretty identical to his body in this scene when he
• 1:01:05
  like rips off his shirt about to take the lightning.
• 1:01:08
  And I was like, that. Is that is that really be Dylan?
• 1:01:11
  I don't know that I still have say a body double I don't.
• 1:01:15
  It could also be the same body double so I don't know.
• 1:01:19
  I did see a behind-the-scenes a Scenes is putting it lightly.
• 1:01:25
  I binge-watched a bunch of behind-the-scenes videos on
• 1:01:30
  YouTube. I was going apeshit on YouTube
• 1:01:33
  fell into a hole like ours, I was on there, looking at behind
• 1:01:38
  the scenes footage and some of it was was subbed so that I
• 1:01:43
  could understand what they were saying.
• 1:01:44
  But a lot of it was not, I was there like, you know, raw
• 1:01:50
  Mandarin. I had no idea what they were
• 1:01:52
  even saying but I was like watching behind The scene stuff.
• 1:01:55
  And they but this was an interview that Dylan had done
• 1:01:58
  done, and they asked him, like, how did you prepare for that
• 1:02:01
  scene? And he said, oh, I just did like
• 1:02:04
  a bunch of push-ups before hand and then just like shot at Point
• 1:02:07
  Park, please. And I was like, okay, okay, so I
• 1:02:12
  don't know. But then, you know, other
• 1:02:13
  interviews, he was saying, like, look, I'm very calm.
• 1:02:16
  He didn't say he was competitive, but this is what I
• 1:02:18
  got that. He was very, he is very
• 1:02:20
  competitive and if he sees other peers or seeds, Rama stars that
• 1:02:24
  are posting like Jim sell visa and shit.
• 1:02:26
  He'll go to the gym. He like, wants to one-up them.
• 1:02:29
  He wants to look really good and yeah, so he goes to the gym and
• 1:02:35
  he works out and stuff, but I don't know if it was like all
• 1:02:37
  that, you know say, I don't know if it was enough to pass for me
• 1:02:41
  thinking. It's a body double.
• 1:02:45
  Yeah, I don't know. He's worth in, I don't know.
• 1:02:50
  I don't think I thought about. He could be like slimthick.
• 1:02:54
  He could be slimthick. I of Carol.
• 1:02:59
  I've never heard that in my life.
• 1:03:02
  What do you mean? I've never slid thing.
• 1:03:04
  Oh my God. Okay, talk to me like like
• 1:03:07
  slimthick is your skinny but we can tell you work out.
• 1:03:13
  So okay. Okay, definitions.
• 1:03:16
  Maybe your back muscles or your Your biceps not kind of.
• 1:03:21
  Are you happy? I got you.
• 1:03:24
  So I think he is slimthick, huh? But it could also feel we should
• 1:03:31
  actually say, let's just say, I went to shirt came off.
• 1:03:37
  I was on the floor. I hit the ground.
• 1:03:43
  I hit, I hit the ground. Yeah.
• 1:03:45
  Yeah. If this is how we're gonna get
• 1:03:47
  it, we'll take it. Mmm.
• 1:03:49
  Sure. Okay.
• 1:03:55
  Okay. So, that's that scene.
• 1:03:59
  I think any time they kissed her swap bodies was great.
• 1:04:03
  The one in front of Lord tongue. Yeah, the forest surrounding the
• 1:04:08
  moon tribe, Palace. I talk to me Carol, Carol.
• 1:04:14
  So so bodies. And run, how and chunk hung on.
• 1:04:24
  Yeah. Okay this is a moment to
• 1:04:27
  actually completely kill Supreme, mmm, and sex is like, I
• 1:04:35
  can't you but I don't want you to do that.
• 1:04:37
  So I'ma kiss him back. So the kiss and they switch back
• 1:04:42
  and that could have been it. My, the second case the second
• 1:04:47
  kiss. Oh, so what?
• 1:04:49
  He does is why why he grabs the back of her neck.
• 1:04:55
  I had full body Goosebumps because heat it, so they switch
• 1:05:01
  back. It's a great moment because
• 1:05:03
  they're both like, no, they don't want each other to, you
• 1:05:07
  know, die or leave or whatever, especially her because they were
• 1:05:11
  literally, like you said, they were like, okay, great, they
• 1:05:13
  swap bodies, he's in her weak-ass body, we can just kill
• 1:05:17
  her or that body kill him and then take her inside the
• 1:05:22
  excuses, body back to the fairy realm and like Grow and her a
• 1:05:26
  new body or whatever, like swap them, and that was the plan for
• 1:05:31
  Cheung Kong and wrong out there. Like, oh yeah, good plan.
• 1:05:33
  We can just kill the Moon Moon Supreme right now that she's
• 1:05:37
  like, she's like no goes to kiss him.
• 1:05:40
  They switched back. It's like a full-on
• 1:05:43
  transformation. Every time.
• 1:05:45
  They swap bodies because they're both.
• 1:05:48
  So great at playing each other and they swap back.
• 1:05:52
  He's got the glare back on. He's got the cool vibes.
• 1:05:55
  Like the man again and oh my God he I think she's like in his in
• 1:06:00
  his on his arm or something at this point and she starts
• 1:06:03
  running to chungcheong. She's like chonga and like
• 1:06:05
  steaks off toward him Carol. When I tell you, when he reached
• 1:06:10
  out and grabbed the back of her neck and pulled her back and
• 1:06:14
  kisses her like plants went on her and then as she still like
• 1:06:19
  kind of in his in his hand he looks up and glares at chunking
• 1:06:24
  like yeah. Yeah, marking my territory.
• 1:06:26
  This is mine. She's not yours like very much a
• 1:06:30
  possession. Like another, like possessive
• 1:06:32
  seen, and I have no night. I was like, call me toxic, call
• 1:06:39
  me toxic, because this was feeding me in a way that I
• 1:06:42
  didn't know. I needed to be fed.
• 1:06:45
  I was, oh my God. I just was like, it was such an
• 1:06:51
  unnecessary move. Oh my God.
• 1:06:53
  Yeah. But he wanted to show his
• 1:06:57
  dominance. Mmm chunk like you ain't shit.
• 1:07:02
  Like it's also, it's also dominance to like, not just like
• 1:07:05
  she's mine. It's also, you know, she's not
• 1:07:08
  yours. Yes.
• 1:07:10
  Yes. That's the important thing that
• 1:07:13
  he I think he was trying to communicate to Chunk on saying,
• 1:07:18
  she may not be mine, she is in my arms right now but she's
• 1:07:22
  definitely not yours. So, back off very much dominance
• 1:07:28
  move. And let's explore why we like
• 1:07:32
  this so much. Do we do we need to explore?
• 1:07:35
  I thought we were gonna leave that for a therapist because, oh
• 1:07:38
  God. Okay.
• 1:07:39
  Go like I'm just comparing the two guys, and the thing with
• 1:07:45
  Cheung Kong was. Yes, he loved or yeah, we seem
• 1:07:49
  to think he loved Orchid. Yeah, he loved or cared for her.
• 1:07:53
  Yeah. Cared for her, he took care of
• 1:07:56
  her and the way he could Xin the bounce of within the bounds of
• 1:08:01
  what he could. Uh-huh.
• 1:08:02
  But at the same time, it was kind of like I'm waiting around
• 1:08:08
  for potential and potential is not coming.
• 1:08:10
  Like what the what's wrong with you?
• 1:08:13
  Why can't you be? I don't want to say be a man why
• 1:08:17
  can't you be a sort of? Yeah.
• 1:08:20
  And what you want and tell me. Hey I'm It.
• 1:08:24
  Can you I want to be with you. Let's do this F, the world.
• 1:08:29
  Like he came to that realization too late for me.
• 1:08:33
  Yes that yes, wow, wow, Moon. God was just like, it's you from
• 1:08:40
  number one and that's it. Everything else will have to
• 1:08:43
  work around it while I felt like with Chuck Hung She had to work
• 1:08:48
  around everything. Oh okay so yes I agree with you
• 1:08:54
  completely. Why this has to do a lot with
• 1:08:55
  Cheung Kong and his ark. And the way they formatted his
• 1:08:59
  character because he is the archetypal hero, and he is
• 1:09:04
  duty-bound. And so, a lot of his personal
• 1:09:09
  life is not his personal life. He can't choose his own bride.
• 1:09:14
  He can't kind of work outside of his duty as the god of war.
• 1:09:20
  And so, I agree with you, that that moment is also kind of
• 1:09:24
  Highlighting the fact that he can't.
• 1:09:27
  He can't even like stake a claim really.
• 1:09:29
  He has no right to stake a claim on Orchid, and her feelings.
• 1:09:34
  And even tell her that he has feelings for her.
• 1:09:39
  A lot of the I think that What's fun about the not fine.
• 1:09:46
  But like what's interesting about the show is that Moon
• 1:09:49
  Supreme is definitely choosing her like throughout the show.
• 1:09:55
  He is trying to also bridge the gap between her and his people,
• 1:10:01
  like the moon tribe is very against them being together and
• 1:10:04
  they consider her unlucky and you know, there's all these
• 1:10:07
  things that he hopes that he has to jump through to be with her
• 1:10:10
  but he's willing to do it and towards the end of the show.
• 1:10:14
  He's torn because his love for her is directly contrasting.
• 1:10:21
  What he can do to free 100,000 of his people and revive his
• 1:10:27
  Moon tribe and like fulfill his own destiny and it's just it's
• 1:10:32
  really sad to see him. Do that to see him, struggle
• 1:10:37
  with that. But Chung is basically doing the
• 1:10:40
  same thing only earlier in the show.
• 1:10:42
  Were he is, can Deviate from his Immortal path and he's just so
• 1:10:50
  Bound by his role in the fairy kingdom, and his brother and all
• 1:10:55
  this stuff. He's not brave enough to even
• 1:11:00
  step outside of that. William and Harry!
• 1:11:06
  Oh my god. Wow, what a time capsule.
• 1:11:10
  This episode is going to be. All right, I'm assuming you're
• 1:11:12
  watching the Megan and Harry dock, right?
• 1:11:14
  I'm not. You're not, I grilled the tea is
• 1:11:18
  hot. Okay is it?
• 1:11:20
  It's small pits, the Tweety we know about but yeah, it's still
• 1:11:24
  pretty warm. Pretty warm to eat.
• 1:11:28
  Okay, I just love drama. Okay, so yeah, a tongue.
• 1:11:34
  One last thing I'll say about him is that I love how they
• 1:11:36
  never wrote him to become a secondary villain because yes, a
• 1:11:41
  lot of second male leads in see dramas, especially turn out to
• 1:11:46
  be some sort of villainous person towards the end.
• 1:11:49
  They don't respect her choice. They kind of force their way
• 1:11:52
  into a relationship with the female leader, what have you?
• 1:11:57
  And in this case, he was very respectful of her choice and
• 1:12:00
  actually supported her whenever he could.
• 1:12:04
  And by the end of the drama, you know, he's out of place of
• 1:12:06
  acceptance and he ends up. Shirking off the burdensome duty
• 1:12:10
  of being the god of war, and he's happy to relinquish it to
• 1:12:15
  the up-and-coming ferried. I mean, I love how you know
• 1:12:20
  tongue hung again. We were saying that he's not of
• 1:12:26
  one. What is it?
• 1:12:27
  Like a divided like he's divided in his heart about what to do
• 1:12:31
  with Orchid and how to proceed with.
• 1:12:33
  Even pursuing her and saving her because he thinks she's in
• 1:12:37
  danger by going to the being in the moon.
• 1:12:39
  Try but all this stuff but by the time they come back from
• 1:12:42
  their mortal realm trial like he's like full-on like fuck you
• 1:12:48
  I don't want to be the God of War anymore.
• 1:12:50
  I don't want to fight your battles.
• 1:12:51
  You just you're just a war mongering dude.
• 1:12:54
  You just hateful and I don't want to be doing your bidding
• 1:12:58
  anymore and he has this whole like there's a rift now between
• 1:13:02
  him and his brother. And it's great to see.
• 1:13:04
  He helps them get away back to the Moon tribe.
• 1:13:07
  It's great. Like he actually takes a stand
• 1:13:09
  at that point and it's still a stand where he's supporting her.
• 1:13:13
  He's not like trying to woo her at this point, that just got me
• 1:13:19
  to the next kiss. Kissy, when he super weak and
• 1:13:26
  she gives him stop. And she gives him her blood
• 1:13:33
  because she's like my My blood has healing powers and he's
• 1:13:37
  like, don't be giving your blood to just anybody.
• 1:13:40
  Yes, he's like don't do that. Even for me even for me and this
• 1:13:46
  in your lap kiss that was supposed to go on but we had
• 1:13:52
  some interrupt errs place. Can you guys go away?
• 1:13:58
  It was such a precious moment. God.
• 1:14:03
  You got the campfire, the Cozy campfire.
• 1:14:06
  She just saves him with her blood, she's desperate.
• 1:14:10
  And yeah, he tells her don't do that again.
• 1:14:12
  Even for him and he starts asking her like why did you save
• 1:14:16
  me? Why did you come back to the
• 1:14:17
  Moon tribe? You had a way out.
• 1:14:19
  Yeah, I know that all this time, you've wanted to go back to she
• 1:14:22
  and John, I know that you wanted to go home, why didn't you take
• 1:14:26
  this opportunity to go home and she deflects, she doesn't want
• 1:14:31
  to talk about it and then he grabs her and pulls her Back
• 1:14:34
  into his lap and then he's like, he's gently like Whispers again.
• 1:14:37
  Like why did you save me? And before she can respond he
• 1:14:42
  like kisses her and it's such a culmination.
• 1:14:44
  What a moment I it's been a long time coming because they had
• 1:14:51
  been throughout the Mortal trial just at odds with each other
• 1:14:55
  bickering and weren't kind of succumbing.
• 1:14:58
  So their feelings at this point even though everyone knows they
• 1:15:00
  catch the cat feelings for each other, and And oh my God, it was
• 1:15:05
  great. And there are wedding attire.
• 1:15:06
  Like you're just Uh-huh. Well, comes to the realization
• 1:15:16
  like he likes Orchid and and then he walks over and he's
• 1:15:25
  like, oh, you're meeting my wife and I like Bravo you're doing
• 1:15:29
  the same thing again. Carol.
• 1:15:34
  Well, let's talk about the Mortal trial for a couple of
• 1:15:37
  minutes here, because I think that this is actually a lot more
• 1:15:40
  episodes than I was anticipating happening.
• 1:15:44
  My complain about the Mortal trial is that the, they were
• 1:15:49
  just a little bit boring. Like, the episodes were
• 1:15:52
  generally a little bit boring, a little bit, lighter tone, and I
• 1:15:56
  think I would have preferred more steaks.
• 1:15:58
  These episodes, again, were punctuated by neither of them
• 1:16:02
  letting go. Oh, of their pride so that they
• 1:16:04
  can finally come together. Share their feelings for each
• 1:16:06
  other. They were muddling around in a
• 1:16:08
  lot of jealousy and they were serving attitude to each other
• 1:16:12
  and doing a lot of underhanded, comments to each other pushing
• 1:16:15
  each other away. And I think it just lasted too
• 1:16:17
  long, but I feel like the end of the Mortal trial was a
• 1:16:23
  highlight. I think the that episode was
• 1:16:25
  really, really juicy. And some of the stuff that he
• 1:16:29
  does in the Mortal tri-d fqc does in the Mortal trial is
• 1:16:33
  Really fun because again, he's like claiming her as his wife
• 1:16:37
  and he's like calling her like darling and honey and like all
• 1:16:40
  these things and he's very unwilling to marry her off.
• 1:16:45
  To The Reincarnation of Lord chunga.
• 1:16:49
  He will just not let her go and he is also very Resolute.
• 1:16:54
  That marriage is a serious thing and they shouldn't fake it or
• 1:16:57
  metal in it. And I'm like, well that's
• 1:17:00
  hitting all the right notes. You know what I'm saying, like
• 1:17:02
  that. 4D fqc to be. So like, no, we can't just marry
• 1:17:07
  the wrong Partners just so that we can like help them get
• 1:17:10
  through their mortal trial. That's just that.
• 1:17:12
  Yeah, like fuck them like no. So very much slight light, Swoon
• 1:17:19
  worthy, moment throughout. And then the final episode of
• 1:17:22
  the human trial was super juicy because they're together
• 1:17:27
  drinking on the wedding night even though they didn't marry
• 1:17:29
  each other, but yeah, you know she's asking him.
• 1:17:33
  Really loaded questions. Like what is his true purpose in
• 1:17:35
  luo Chun. Why did he lie to her?
• 1:17:39
  And she refuses to go along with this plan that wrong, how had
• 1:17:43
  developed that, she has to poison him, and she's refuses to
• 1:17:47
  poison him. And again he's talking dfq,
• 1:17:50
  cease talking about like, raising the fairy realm to the
• 1:17:53
  ground that he has all these plans for war and she's
• 1:17:59
  overwhelmed with Despair and love because As despite her best
• 1:18:04
  efforts in all of this time, he still wants war and he still
• 1:18:09
  wants to destroy her Homeland and her people.
• 1:18:11
  So she's torn. She's devastated and very sad.
• 1:18:16
  But then you have this fight scene because like they possess
• 1:18:19
  lady Chidi with like evil Chi and she like comes after them
• 1:18:23
  and they run how put like a evil Chi bead and the the fairy
• 1:18:31
  orchids headpiece. Since stuff.
• 1:18:33
  So like that goes off like a little bomb of evil Chi and he
• 1:18:37
  saves her. Even though she's basically
• 1:18:40
  impervious to evil Chi because of her goddess Powers, he's
• 1:18:44
  still enters this like Maelstrom of evil Chi saves her.
• 1:18:48
  Then this is great she finally saves him because so far in the
• 1:18:55
  show she has been a damsel in distress.
• 1:18:57
  And at this point she finally saves him.
• 1:19:00
  She like, kind of dips into those Goddess powers.
• 1:19:03
  And it's the stunning green like color as she like fends off the
• 1:19:07
  evil Chi and she like stands up and looks really powerful and
• 1:19:11
  fierce for a minute and you're just like, yes, like your cut.
• 1:19:14
  It's like turning in the right direction.
• 1:19:16
  Like I see this ship of the plot kind of steering in a different
• 1:19:20
  direction at this point because she's finally becoming who she's
• 1:19:25
  always been. Yeah.
• 1:19:26
  And at this point, you have QC realizes who she is.
• 1:19:29
  And he's like, oh my God, it's the goddess, and it's great,
• 1:19:32
  it's great. Then we get to that whole.
• 1:19:34
  Like she saves him on the shores of Oblivion River.
• 1:19:40
  And he protects her until he collapses, and it's like, Lord,
• 1:19:44
  chumhum gets shows up and he's like beckoning her to come home
• 1:19:48
  and she chooses him, she chooses the FTC and that's when you get
• 1:19:53
  to like the campfire scene with the kiss at all.
• 1:19:56
  It's like all of this is all strung together and I loved that
• 1:20:00
  episode and I love the end of there.
• 1:20:02
  Mortal trial. I loved it.
• 1:20:06
  I didn't think that mortal trial was slow.
• 1:20:09
  Like you said, I'm just like, what are we doing here?
• 1:20:12
  Like humans have no power. They're so boring.
• 1:20:17
  Yeah, they're like we can't use our powers.
• 1:20:18
  Don't like why? Exactly.
• 1:20:22
  And then towards the end when she comes into her priesthood, I
• 1:20:28
  was like oh this is this is fire.
• 1:20:31
  I love that she saved him. And we'll get there but towards
• 1:20:37
  the end when she becomes the Priestess and she has to she
• 1:20:42
  sort of disconnects from her emotions.
• 1:20:45
  Hmm. And wants to focus on her
• 1:20:48
  Mission. Just like he did when he was
• 1:20:51
  Moon Supreme and had Hellfire and I thought just the journey
• 1:20:56
  for both of them beautifully done.
• 1:20:59
  Get around a couple goals for sure.
• 1:21:03
  I have in my notes, their relationship started out very
• 1:21:05
  imbalanced, but they grow into each other, they grow into each
• 1:21:09
  other, and by the end, they're just so balanced.
• 1:21:11
  Because, of course, he was calling all the shots.
• 1:21:15
  He was very aggressive, a tyrant.
• 1:21:17
  And by the end, they have this mutual respect for each other
• 1:21:22
  and it is wonderful to see that in a see drama where he humbles
• 1:21:26
  himself and she humbles herself and they just, they just end up
• 1:21:30
  being like this match made in heaven, even though they're
• 1:21:33
  technically Star-crossed lovers. So I love to see that.
• 1:21:36
  For sure. Oh my gosh.
• 1:21:39
  Enter into the cave of pain for him.
• 1:21:44
  Okay so I this was a moment that I adored because they are
• 1:21:50
  finally together, right? They realized that they love
• 1:21:54
  each other. They declared that they love
• 1:21:56
  each other and it's great. And he I think this this is like
• 1:22:02
  a series of things that happens because she they go to the.
• 1:22:08
  Okay, here we go. He goes out of the palace to
• 1:22:11
  meet up with her for the Moon Festival where they're like,
• 1:22:13
  they have the engraved locks and stuff.
• 1:22:15
  They're going to do like the lock on the bridge and a whole
• 1:22:19
  mess of people instigated by his brother beg for him to
• 1:22:22
  reconsider being with her, that she's bad luck that she can't be
• 1:22:27
  trusted. She should be killed.
• 1:22:29
  And he declares in front of all of these people that he loves
• 1:22:33
  her. That she will be his wife and he
• 1:22:35
  will love no other. And I'm like, I'm like,
• 1:22:39
  Breathing hard over here in the corner.
• 1:22:41
  It is such a great moment and he has Mercy on them because you
• 1:22:46
  know, if he was the old Moon Supreme with no emotions, he
• 1:22:50
  would have just slaughtered these people.
• 1:22:52
  Exactly. But he has Mercy on them, he's
• 1:22:54
  like, watch what you say, I'm going to be with her, they have,
• 1:22:57
  he goes to actually, he takes, oh my God, there's even more
• 1:23:02
  because he takes those bone devouring spikes as punishment
• 1:23:07
  to it, to atone for like the ongoing.
• 1:23:09
  Going loss of 100,000 soldiers and for being with Orchid.
• 1:23:14
  So he does this then he goes to see her on the bridge which is a
• 1:23:19
  beautiful moment, they declare their love on the bridge and
• 1:23:23
  they kiss under the full moon, then he collapses, it's this
• 1:23:26
  whole thing. Then after this whole thing
• 1:23:30
  where she realizes that his people are basically dead set
• 1:23:34
  against her. She says she wants to go into
• 1:23:37
  this non abidance cave. To earn the honor of being the
• 1:23:42
  moon Queen. And she tells him something.
• 1:23:45
  Super why's, she invokes her own agency here and says, you know,
• 1:23:50
  throughout the entire relationship, the entire thing
• 1:23:53
  has been on his terms, whether to kill her, to love her, to
• 1:23:58
  keep her. It was all his decision, but now
• 1:24:01
  that they're about to become husband and wife like that
• 1:24:04
  should change. He needs to respect her
• 1:24:06
  decision. She says things like there's no
• 1:24:08
  hierarchy between Between a couple and no matter what we
• 1:24:12
  have to bear it together. What happens?
• 1:24:14
  We have to bear it together and I like, all of this is amazing
• 1:24:20
  to me that she recognizes like it's in the script.
• 1:24:24
  She recognizes that it's been in balanced.
• 1:24:27
  Their relationship has been in Balance this whole time and
• 1:24:32
  despite all that she realizes that she needs to just like he's
• 1:24:36
  been doing on and off for her throughout the show kind of Take
• 1:24:40
  a hit like suffer for their love to be, you know, bona fide and
• 1:24:47
  she chooses to undergo that trial suffer pain.
• 1:24:51
  And she knows that in their culture, they value respect, and
• 1:24:56
  they value and respect power. And she has to earn his her
• 1:25:01
  place by his side fair and square.
• 1:25:03
  No assistance from him, and I love it.
• 1:25:06
  I, you know, of course, he doesn't want to let her do it.
• 1:25:08
  He won't subject her to torture. She says, the entire
• 1:25:12
  relationship is, is basically come to this and she wants to
• 1:25:18
  prove herself to his people and it's she knows the significance
• 1:25:21
  of the ACT. She wants control over this one
• 1:25:24
  thing and it's fantastic. I love this moment and of
• 1:25:29
  course, I love the moment that he doesn't drink the tea.
• 1:25:32
  I was just going to say that. Yeah.
• 1:25:36
  What else do you want to say that?
• 1:25:37
  He cut? He goes through it with her, you
• 1:25:40
  know, he chooses to also go through the torture with her
• 1:25:46
  couple goals for Real. Oh my God.
• 1:25:50
  Hmm, sickness and in health. Yes, yes, everything everything
• 1:25:56
  I feel like if If she were giving birth.
• 1:26:02
  Okay, what he would be feeling the same.
• 1:26:05
  Like he would feel the pain to write instead of being I don't
• 1:26:10
  like Mary I don't like he would be present which I really
• 1:26:14
  respect about him the same way she was trying to gain respect
• 1:26:19
  of her people. I'm glad that he did not drink
• 1:26:23
  the tea and went through it with her.
• 1:26:27
  It's yeah, it's hot in my God. It is, it's poetic I guess we
• 1:26:34
  can segue into moments that broke you into little pieces.
• 1:26:41
  So, I like a lot of scenes here, but I think that the one that
• 1:26:50
  broke me into pieces. The worst was both of their
• 1:26:54
  goodbyes want. The first one was orchids.
• 1:26:56
  Goodbye. Why she sacrifices herself?
• 1:27:00
  And I was a wreck, like, when she tells him not to cry, and to
• 1:27:05
  smile and like, takes her little bloody fingers and turns up the
• 1:27:08
  corners of his mouth, just like they had done before when she
• 1:27:11
  was teaching him how to smile. And like, That completely sent
• 1:27:16
  me. I don't know if you had anything
• 1:27:20
  to say about that. Could by seeing the entire
• 1:27:22
  sequence was stunning, and well-edited well-acted.
• 1:27:28
  I was telling you what his what, his pain, his pain right angle,
• 1:27:34
  it's anguish like you just and I was watching talking about
• 1:27:39
  English, the behind-the-scenes footage of, he sent omong the
• 1:27:44
  scene and ice. I sent it to you because I was
• 1:27:47
  like you got to see this and the scene is really well.
• 1:27:52
  Acted he's giving it so much he's screaming and hollering and
• 1:27:56
  like throwing himself on the ground and really a lot of
• 1:28:00
  physical kind of exertion hear from him from Dylan.
• 1:28:06
  And when the director yells cut, he still on the ground.
• 1:28:11
  And he's like, inconsolable on the ground really tired looking
• 1:28:16
  and just he gave it so much Esther.
• 1:28:19
  You has to come over and kind of knock him out of it.
• 1:28:23
  Get him back to a place and yeah, she's like you know, she
• 1:28:28
  takes his hand, she's kind of like wiggling it and like, oh,
• 1:28:30
  come on. Like, you know, she's patting
• 1:28:33
  him on the back and he finally sits up on the stage and she's
• 1:28:38
  telling him like, you know, don't worry I'm alive.
• 1:28:41
  Live. I'm not dead and comforting him
• 1:28:44
  in such a Rahway because they just went through this whole
• 1:28:47
  scene in sequence, which is kind of odd, you know, in regular
• 1:28:52
  filmmaking. And in the west, you have movies
• 1:28:55
  and TV shows shot out of order. And then, of course, when they
• 1:28:58
  edit it, they put it in order in sequential order and she, I
• 1:29:02
  mean, they did this completely in order from the time they're
• 1:29:05
  like crawling in on the sand dunes all the way up to he loses
• 1:29:09
  her. It's done.
• 1:29:10
  It was shot in. It looks like and so, I mean, it
• 1:29:13
  was just a crescendo of emotions and he looked devastated.
• 1:29:18
  You really? We pray actor.
• 1:29:21
  I was sold. I uh I don't know people.
• 1:29:27
  Yeah. Des it's not cool.
• 1:29:32
  Yeah. Yeah something about his acting
• 1:29:36
  which I thought was really sad was.
• 1:29:37
  And one of the interviews he said, I'm really happy that
• 1:29:40
  people are so enamored with the show.
• 1:29:44
  I'm so happy that people are giving it positive feedback that
• 1:29:47
  they're loving the characters and everything because my
• 1:29:50
  previous, Obvious show or my previous work.
• 1:29:54
  You know, I got a lot of criticism for it and I learned a
• 1:29:57
  lot through, you know, reading the comments.
• 1:30:00
  He said something to that effect that people had like shit on his
• 1:30:03
  previous show and that he, it take took the notes and he's
• 1:30:08
  improving like actively trying to improve.
• 1:30:11
  And I thought to myself, this is really sad.
• 1:30:14
  First of all that, this poor guy who's like, just, you know,
• 1:30:17
  plucked from obscurity. I think he was like a fly.
• 1:30:20
  Attendant before he became famous.
• 1:30:23
  I kid you not? Yes and he he's learning but
• 1:30:29
  like trial by fire because you know, it's not like he took
• 1:30:33
  acting classes and now he's in a professional actor and stuff
• 1:30:37
  like know, he was like a model like a, you know, nobody and now
• 1:30:42
  he's this great actor and I just felt terrible because I feel
• 1:30:48
  like sometimes I contribute to that too.
• 1:30:50
  When I'm reviewing dramas on like this suck that can't
• 1:30:52
  believe like whatever and it's we just all have to like have a
• 1:30:56
  little Grace and remember that. These are real people and it
• 1:31:00
  takes a village to make these dramas especially like a see
• 1:31:04
  drama with all these crazy elements in it and special
• 1:31:08
  effects and people that contribute behind the scenes and
• 1:31:10
  post-production and stuff, it's not just the people on screen
• 1:31:14
  that you see that make the drama what it is and I just felt
• 1:31:19
  horrible when he he said that he was like yeah you know my
• 1:31:22
  previous drama wasn't well-received and stuff and I
• 1:31:24
  was like oh my God but all of also like which drama was that
• 1:31:29
  was that miss the dragon or was that the rational life?
• 1:31:33
  You know. Maybe it was mr.
• 1:31:36
  Dragon, I think it might have been missed the dragon because
• 1:31:38
  I'm currently like an episode for something of it.
• 1:31:42
  And it's good, but I can sense that it's probably not going to
• 1:31:46
  maintain this momentum and maybe the writing for won't live up
• 1:31:51
  to, you know, whatever. So I can probably guess what it
• 1:31:55
  was Miss the dragon. Because you've watched the
• 1:31:56
  rational life was it, was it? Okay.
• 1:31:59
  It was a good. It was okay.
• 1:32:02
  Ah, si si mind you mind you. I don't think that Chinese
• 1:32:10
  dramas, rom-com wrong romance. Has been doing it lately.
• 1:32:15
  Like, the last one I loved was love is sweet or something.
• 1:32:20
  Okay, that sounds familiar. Yes.
• 1:32:23
  Where she when she cries, she gets an allergic reaction and
• 1:32:28
  she okay, got you? The guy?
• 1:32:33
  If you have not watched it, oh my God.
• 1:32:36
  You got to. Okay.
• 1:32:38
  So that's a good one. Okay, that's a really good one.
• 1:32:41
  Love is sweet. Okay, yeah.
• 1:32:43
  And then love designer. Okay, those two felt very much
• 1:32:49
  contemporary romance, being done.
• 1:32:51
  Well, but the rational, life, I think you had too much work in
• 1:32:55
  it. Oh yes, there's a workplace
• 1:32:57
  drama. Yeah.
• 1:33:00
  Okay, okay. Yeah.
• 1:33:04
  Boring. Yeah I don't like I don't like
• 1:33:07
  workplace dramas like personally and I've said this in our.
• 1:33:10
  What's wrong with secretary? Kim episode as well where I'm
• 1:33:13
  like. This is not really my job every
• 1:33:14
  time they set something in the workplace and like, you know,
• 1:33:18
  but that's just me. Personally, other people love
• 1:33:20
  that. As far as others love between
• 1:33:24
  Foreign Devil scenes, that broke me.
• 1:33:26
  After she dies, he gets stuck in a dream and he dreams that
• 1:33:31
  they've been married. Yeah, he dreams that they've
• 1:33:33
  been married for 5. Hundred years and he's basically
• 1:33:36
  committing suicide. As he's trying to keep this
• 1:33:37
  dream alive Inception style and it's just as Grand Illusion
• 1:33:42
  into. He thinks that she's alive and
• 1:33:45
  the scenes of their married life are so adorable and enticing and
• 1:33:49
  it is so so sad. When he has to say goodbye and
• 1:33:53
  like implode the dream. I my God, like tears, real
• 1:34:00
  tears. I was sad.
• 1:34:01
  I was so devastated when he To say goodbye to her in the dream.
• 1:34:08
  Yeah. Oh my God.
• 1:34:08
  Yeah, but then, oh my God. I live and, and killing yourself
• 1:34:16
  in the process. Like you could just tell how
• 1:34:19
  much he had grown to love Orchid.
• 1:34:23
  Mmm. And trying to do that.
• 1:34:25
  Trying to keep that, you know, Vision alive.
• 1:34:31
  And yes, it was cute. I agree with you was very Cute.
• 1:34:34
  But it was also very heartbreaking for the people in
• 1:34:36
  the outside. Look at it looking in at him
• 1:34:41
  doing this, hmm. Even Chun?
• 1:34:43
  Ha is like yo, bro. Like yeah.
• 1:34:46
  What's going on? Comes in and he's like, you got
• 1:34:48
  to stop this, you're killing yourself.
• 1:34:50
  Your people need you. And there's a possibility.
• 1:34:52
  We can bring her back. You need to get out of this.
• 1:34:54
  You can't just kill yourself over this.
• 1:34:57
  And oh my God, I It was so much to see him say goodbye to her
• 1:35:02
  and she's like, I'm alive, I'm right here, like she's sick.
• 1:35:07
  It was a lot scenes that broke me, he, you know, they go
• 1:35:13
  through the motions of saving her, the extractor Little
• 1:35:16
  Spirit. They put it, it turns into a
• 1:35:18
  seed, then he starts taking care of her all over again as a seed
• 1:35:24
  and the same that you repeating the same thing, he's giving her
• 1:35:28
  Sunshine. He's collecting morning, do for
• 1:35:32
  her, and is talking to her and really kind of of making it seem
• 1:35:37
  like she is, as if she's listening, she's a plant mind,
• 1:35:41
  you, but he's talking to her, he's like, I miss you so much.
• 1:35:44
  I like, you know, just having conversations with this plant
• 1:35:48
  and it's adorable. She finally turns back into
• 1:35:53
  human form and she or top she doesn't remember Emma, you see
• 1:35:59
  her talking with the great Turtle before she turns back
• 1:36:02
  into her human form and she's like, yeah, I understand that.
• 1:36:06
  That, you know, I have this Grand purpose and I can't
• 1:36:09
  succumb to my feelings and indulge in love and the great
• 1:36:16
  Turtles. Like I'm so glad you understand
• 1:36:17
  this, you got a great purpose, whatever, and sends her back,
• 1:36:20
  sends her packing to shine that town that she's from And oh my
• 1:36:24
  god, when she turns around and she doesn't recognize him.
• 1:36:31
  It was like the air just got sucked out of the room.
• 1:36:33
  You know what I'm saying? And I expected it to like,
• 1:36:35
  obviously she just went through this great transformation.
• 1:36:40
  She's now the goddess and I fully expected her to have
• 1:36:43
  amnesia or just to forget him and their love.
• 1:36:48
  And her time is Orchid and but when it really happen, when it
• 1:36:50
  finally happens on screen, I was like, no is brutal.
• 1:36:56
  It was brutal. And then him just sticking
• 1:36:58
  around. And and like I said before
• 1:37:01
  humbling himself. What did you think of him?
• 1:37:03
  Just saying, like, I want to serve you, I want to be your
• 1:37:06
  servant and stuff and what it was very beautiful because
• 1:37:15
  here's Stephen. Who doesn't he built or Arbiter
• 1:37:17
  Hall again? Exactly, again again.
• 1:37:22
  And she's walking through like she don't remember nothing, you
• 1:37:26
  know? Damn well she knows.
• 1:37:29
  I can think that have it. Yes.
• 1:37:30
  She's like, I love this place and I'm like, no fucking shit
• 1:37:33
  seat. And he's like, I just want to be
• 1:37:40
  near you. I just want to serve you.
• 1:37:44
  I'll just uh that was such a beautiful.
• 1:37:50
  String of words and moments, like I know you don't remember
• 1:37:56
  me. Just just let me hang around and
• 1:37:59
  it's so torturous to him. Yes.
• 1:38:02
  Yes. Want to do that.
• 1:38:04
  Yeah. Just like now I have faith.
• 1:38:06
  I think I can make her. Remember me?
• 1:38:08
  And I'm just, yeah, he's repeating all these things that
• 1:38:12
  they had done and trying to like try to jog her memory.
• 1:38:16
  It's brutal when he realizes that she's not orchid.
• 1:38:20
  Yeah. Who knows to her for going
• 1:38:23
  through all those memories with him and still pretending like
• 1:38:28
  she can't remember. Yeah, she was good at that.
• 1:38:31
  She was like I there was no love in her eyes, you know what I'm
• 1:38:34
  saying? Yeah.
• 1:38:35
  There was nothing. Yeah.
• 1:38:37
  And when she woke up early and she's telling him like you don't
• 1:38:41
  work. Wake up early.
• 1:38:42
  I'm like girl, really is this who we are.
• 1:38:47
  She was like I was meditating but in front of the Sun.
• 1:38:50
  Rise. And I said I was like,
• 1:38:51
  meditating. Oh my gosh night and day
• 1:38:54
  difference between her and Orchid, but he finally decides
• 1:38:59
  to leave. Yes.
• 1:39:03
  Oh my God. That was that was Accepting what
• 1:39:09
  it is, now one but also like I I think I've done all I could I
• 1:39:17
  love myself, too. It's time to let go, mmm, Brad.
• 1:39:24
  It's really Brave. It's very brave.
• 1:39:26
  And it's really hard to get to that moment where you're like,
• 1:39:29
  I've given it my all. But now, I choose me and I
• 1:39:33
  choose my people, and my response and all those other
• 1:39:36
  things and I'm To go and then she's like, she puts her hands
• 1:39:42
  on his Linux and smile smile. And I'm like you bitch, what are
• 1:39:58
  you doing? She's giving him exactly.
• 1:40:01
  You're giving him hope number one.
• 1:40:03
  Number two, you clearly had remember Why couldn't you talk
• 1:40:10
  to him? And the communication lack of
• 1:40:13
  communication. There's a stick.
• 1:40:14
  Why she cut, she cut him off. So dirty when she came back as
• 1:40:17
  the God because she was talking all this shit about, oh I'm
• 1:40:21
  gonna basically commit suicide to stop this apocalypse from
• 1:40:24
  happening and stop this evil monster cloud from taking over
• 1:40:28
  and that's her Destiny. All the goddesses before her
• 1:40:31
  have done the same thing, they're very self-sacrificing.
• 1:40:35
  And whatever. but my issue with her was D CQ f d.
• 1:40:44
  F. G c d.
• 1:40:45
  Excuse me. Sorry d.
• 1:40:47
  Fq c was doing the same thing in the beginning with his Hellfire,
• 1:40:54
  right? And being Moon supreme, but he
• 1:40:57
  found a way to work with her to still, you know, save his people
• 1:41:05
  and like I felt like he was more open to finding another path.
• 1:41:11
  Well back. Well that's the thing is that he
• 1:41:15
  was at first very much trying to make peace with his Destiny and
• 1:41:21
  saving the moon tribe and then being with her.
• 1:41:23
  But because of all these machinations, he was basically
• 1:41:26
  choosing his people at the end and he was trying his best to
• 1:41:31
  save her. And the way to save her was
• 1:41:34
  like, we got to get this bracelet off of her.
• 1:41:36
  Now that she loves me unconditionally, the bracelet is
• 1:41:40
  basically, Ali, a death sentence, if you take it off of
• 1:41:42
  her, but it's got evil chi in it.
• 1:41:44
  So it's killing her from the inside out and sucking up on all
• 1:41:48
  of her goddess energy. And like, there was a lot of
• 1:41:51
  things that he was trying to make happen, which was bring
• 1:41:54
  back the hundred thousand people that were frozen in time for
• 1:41:58
  30,000 years and also save her life and he was like, the best
• 1:42:02
  way to get that bracelet off of her, is to kill her love for me.
• 1:42:05
  So he was like, being really mean to her and like, saying
• 1:42:09
  really crazy. Lines to her that were
• 1:42:12
  heart-wrenching, and okay, of course, she never stopped loving
• 1:42:17
  him. So like there was no way to take
• 1:42:18
  the bracelet off. So then how can he unleash these
• 1:42:23
  hundred thousand people without lady TD's spirit and all this
• 1:42:28
  stuff to break this curse that she put on this battlefield.
• 1:42:32
  So, I was like, all of these things taken together, like, he
• 1:42:34
  basically did the best that he could because he was trying to
• 1:42:38
  save her, but then trying to say, His people and ultimately,
• 1:42:42
  it felt like he chose his people.
• 1:42:45
  I think as the audience you're thinking, oh he chose his people
• 1:42:47
  because he's being so insufferable to her and doing
• 1:42:52
  this 180 imprisoning her again and being kind of like his old
• 1:42:57
  self. Yeah, versus the Lovestruck Moon
• 1:43:00
  Supreme who is very in touch with his feelings.
• 1:43:03
  He was trying to, you know, make her unloved him and it wasn't
• 1:43:09
  working. Yeah, it was a lot but she
• 1:43:14
  doesn't go so far. Well, I should say she does go
• 1:43:18
  so far as the goddess because she is trying to like, shut down
• 1:43:21
  his feelings for her not Inland in an overt way, like, you know,
• 1:43:26
  talking to him in a certain way or being mean to him
• 1:43:29
  necessarily. But she was, like, let's choose
• 1:43:31
  the path of least resistance. I just don't remember, I don't
• 1:43:35
  have, I'm not Orchid, you know? Yeah, so I think it she chose a
• 1:43:39
  little bit more. Sifl route to try and get him to
• 1:43:43
  go away and maybe stop loving her and move on.
• 1:43:46
  But man, so it culminates into this bridge seen they have like
• 1:43:51
  this bridge seen represe where he takes her there to hang the
• 1:43:55
  locks he's like do me this one last favor, they go to the
• 1:43:58
  bridge where they declare their love for each other.
• 1:44:01
  And he admits that Orchid is gone that the goddess xishan is
• 1:44:05
  not her and it's this last bit of Hope here because he wants to
• 1:44:10
  hang this lock with her name on it, because if you put the lock
• 1:44:16
  on the bridge, it means they'll be together forever.
• 1:44:19
  And so it's like this latch the last ditch effort that's like
• 1:44:22
  superstitious effort, but she is not having it.
• 1:44:26
  She starts walking away and he says he starts crying.
• 1:44:30
  He's just crying on this bridge and he says I just want her to
• 1:44:33
  know that I'm not bad anymore. And then I said, all these
• 1:44:39
  terrible things to her to try and get her to not love me
• 1:44:41
  anymore because of this bracelet and the, you know, the magic of
• 1:44:45
  the bracelet. It was killing her and she
• 1:44:49
  listens on to hint at the revealing this and also saying,
• 1:44:53
  like, you know, I'm just I'm not bad anymore.
• 1:44:55
  I'm not that person I was and I'm he's like I want to tell all
• 1:44:59
  these things and she's there she's listening to him break
• 1:45:02
  down and still decides. To walk away and submit her
• 1:45:08
  higher calling in the that the fate of the world is in her
• 1:45:10
  hands and so she chooses the world over him.
• 1:45:15
  And I'll it's heartbreaking. It is Because she loves him.
• 1:45:22
  She's crying. She remembers and still and
• 1:45:28
  still. Oh man.
• 1:45:31
  Going back to Esther low really fast.
• 1:45:33
  I wanted to talk about since some of the behind-the-scenes
• 1:45:36
  footage. Dylan was talking about how she
• 1:45:39
  was so integral to producing such great chemistry, you know,
• 1:45:44
  and creating these scenes where they might have been kind of
• 1:45:49
  referencing or paying homage to They're see dramas because she's
• 1:45:53
  an avid see drama Watcher and she would read the script and
• 1:45:57
  come in and be like, Oh yeah, this reminded me of this and
• 1:46:00
  maybe we should try this and bringing ideas to the table and,
• 1:46:05
  you know, pulling the things up on her phone and showing Dylan
• 1:46:08
  and be like, well that's try this, or they did this.
• 1:46:10
  Maybe we could try this and being very proactive about
• 1:46:14
  setting up their scenes together and it wasn't just the director
• 1:46:18
  who was kind of fostering. They're their chemistry and
• 1:46:22
  their scenes. So I really wanted to just say
• 1:46:25
  that about Esther that she, I think the importance of her and
• 1:46:30
  her creative contributions. Can't be understated because
• 1:46:34
  we're talking about, great chemistry.
• 1:46:35
  We're talking about great spoon or these scenes.
• 1:46:37
  It's kind of endless for us, but Esther was, you know, she's one
• 1:46:42
  of us. She's time watching seizure
• 1:46:44
  almost all the time, and she recognizes the kind of things
• 1:46:49
  that would make sense for the viewer.
• 1:46:51
  Hours and what we would appreciate because she is a
• 1:46:53
  viewer. So yeah, I wanted to say that.
• 1:46:56
  I appreciate her love for the craft for sure.
• 1:46:59
  I think the only other couple that I had heard about this was
• 1:47:06
  Well, actually I've heard a lot, he hadn't been and so you Jin
• 1:47:11
  Joo. Ha ha shows.
• 1:47:14
  And they did that for crash. Landing on you and Alchemy of
• 1:47:19
  souls, because they were such a young crowd, they've definitely
• 1:47:25
  got a chance to encourage each other to do things differently
• 1:47:30
  and try this instead and things like that.
• 1:47:33
  And he's some ghee. Does that quite a bit too?
• 1:47:36
  To so Mmm. Yeah, I think I love it when You
• 1:47:42
  see people really enjoying a crack, Mmm.
• 1:47:46
  Yeah. Thinking about different ways to
• 1:47:50
  bring the plot alive and and yeah, it's beautiful.
• 1:47:54
  Mmm. Okay, so we're now in the
• 1:47:57
  endgame episodes where he decides d, fq c decides to
• 1:48:02
  sacrifice himself and there's the second goodbye that I
• 1:48:05
  referenced earlier. I could not function.
• 1:48:11
  I just couldn't because it was like their wedding day.
• 1:48:13
  She was about to get married to Chung and again, Chung Hong come
• 1:48:17
  in, come in and clutch, because he was like, I'm not happy about
• 1:48:21
  her marrying me, even though I love her and I do want her to
• 1:48:25
  marry me. It's not something that I am.
• 1:48:30
  Happy about that. I am gloating about because she
• 1:48:34
  doesn't, she doesn't love me. She loves you.
• 1:48:37
  And what's worse is to, she doesn't realize she loves you.
• 1:48:40
  And she doesn't remember her time as Orchid.
• 1:48:43
  Like, I want Orchid back and he's very Level-headed about it,
• 1:48:48
  you know, again at this point you kind of expecting to see
• 1:48:51
  drama for him to be gloating for him to be happy that he gets the
• 1:48:55
  girl, but it's not on his terms. It's not, it's out of like
• 1:49:00
  necessity because of this whole like destiny that they have over
• 1:49:03
  their relationship. She needs to marry him to like a
• 1:49:06
  locker goddess powers or whatever the fuck.
• 1:49:08
  So the wedding gets like interrupted because DF, you see
• 1:49:13
  is in the middle of confronting this, like evil.
• 1:49:17
  Loud, what is it 10 tension or Tashan or something?
• 1:49:22
  Forget the name of the demon dashing.
• 1:49:24
  Yeah, so she ends up on the battlefield with all of the
• 1:49:28
  fairy kingdom to try and stop dfq.
• 1:49:32
  See who, you know, he was initially trying to kill the
• 1:49:35
  thing using, whatever is left of her spirit and powers that is
• 1:49:40
  like imprinted in his heart, which God inside him from like
• 1:49:45
  their first encounter, fine. So much symbolism there.
• 1:49:48
  But okay. So then he I think the demon
• 1:49:54
  like distracts him with like, saying like, I don't know what
• 1:49:56
  he said, I can't remember what it was but it's an Avenue.
• 1:50:00
  Yeah, I was trying to find cracks in his resolve.
• 1:50:06
  Yes him back. Slide and say yo I can give you
• 1:50:10
  what you want. Uh-huh.
• 1:50:12
  Sort of an Enticer or in Mirror into The deepest desires?
• 1:50:19
  Yes, that's what he was trying to get.
• 1:50:21
  Yes. So he finally did find a little
• 1:50:23
  chink in his resolve and that's when he entered him and looked
• 1:50:28
  possessed his body. They like became one and it was
• 1:50:31
  this whole thing, he started, I mean he was back with the blue,
• 1:50:34
  the white hair and like hovering over the valley and it was like
• 1:50:39
  really cool to see. But yeah, she's back on the
• 1:50:42
  battlefield wedding is like interrupted and She Braves this
• 1:50:49
  Maelstrom to get to him. There's this epic mid-air kiss
• 1:50:52
  when she finally gets to him and she enters his like figurative,
• 1:50:57
  heart to where she sees what's left of him.
• 1:51:01
  His tree by his heart tree and he starts begging her to, to
• 1:51:05
  kill him to let him go and she won't and like the entire scene
• 1:51:11
  is so well done because, you know, on the outside, they're
• 1:51:14
  still in an Embrace or so. Kissing and like all of a
• 1:51:19
  sudden, she has activated her goddess Powers, she's like
• 1:51:23
  completely consumed in green like Elemental like energy or
• 1:51:28
  whatever the hell and then he suddenly starts is able to use
• 1:51:32
  glazed fire and the whole like the Heavenly realm is like, oh
• 1:51:36
  my God, this is like an ancient method that's been lost to time
• 1:51:40
  and like only people with great love and compassion can Master
• 1:51:45
  it and so, you know, they're real.
• 1:51:47
  Wreathed in like glazed fire and the green from her powers and
• 1:51:50
  it's beautiful beautiful scene. And then inside of his, you
• 1:51:54
  know, heart or mind, they're having this last conversation.
• 1:52:00
  And she, you know, she finally does, she like just shoots him
• 1:52:04
  with her powers and they start rising up.
• 1:52:09
  They start like rising up into the celestial Galactic space.
• 1:52:15
  And it's gorgeous and then oh my God then he like kind of comes
• 1:52:19
  to a little bit and like says goodbye and and then
• 1:52:24
  disintegrates he's just disintegrates right in her arms.
• 1:52:30
  I, I was devastated. I was forlorn.
• 1:52:35
  I could not be comforted at this point.
• 1:52:38
  I don't know about you guys, listening, but this was another
• 1:52:41
  like moment where it cut me to pieces and all, that's all
• 1:52:45
  that's left. Is like this little, what is it?
• 1:52:48
  That little piece that he had given her write a little piece
• 1:52:52
  of his heart basically made from his blood or something?
• 1:52:55
  I don't know. Little Memento leftover, she
• 1:52:59
  takes it and I I love how she's talking with the brother later
• 1:53:03
  in the brothers. Like she asked the brother, do
• 1:53:06
  you believe in miracles and the bows like I don't know.
• 1:53:11
  I don't know. And she's like, well and she
• 1:53:14
  hangs it up and her little garden Arbiter Hall and, you
• 1:53:18
  know, feeds it her little spirit and she takes care of it.
• 1:53:21
  And then all the, you know, he comes back, I think she had her
• 1:53:26
  back to to him and he's like, yes, that's just like the tears
• 1:53:38
  tears of joy and then they just end it there and like we're
• 1:53:41
  left. Process this show and like, the
• 1:53:44
  meaning of life. And oh, my God, yes.
• 1:53:47
  So symbolism and this show talk to me.
• 1:53:51
  Talk to that. Gave me why even like the tree
• 1:53:54
  inside and caring for the tree and nurturing?
• 1:54:00
  Its that was such a beautiful way of putting up growing up and
• 1:54:06
  learning your emotions and how the leaves just represents the
• 1:54:10
  differences. Emotions that we go through and
• 1:54:14
  mmm. And then there was, you know,
• 1:54:18
  Hellfire and glazed fire. Yeah, glaze fire.
• 1:54:23
  You have to lose all your emotions to be able to get that
• 1:54:28
  in the beginning. Mmm.
• 1:54:31
  And he lost all his emotions to be the strongest person in the
• 1:54:34
  world, but on the other side with so much emotion, you're
• 1:54:40
  able Master glaze fire and no one is able to do that.
• 1:54:45
  And only the people who have reached like the highest level.
• 1:54:49
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:54:50
  And then of course it's ironic. Exactly.
• 1:54:53
  Yes. And it's ironic because it's
• 1:54:55
  like the most brutal Moon Supreme, dude, that the
• 1:55:01
  archetype of villain of the show is the one who can summon glazed
• 1:55:05
  fire. I mean, it's beautiful, it's
• 1:55:07
  beautiful and I think that one last thing that we had talked
• 1:55:11
  about before was the villain wrong how and his relationship
• 1:55:16
  with Lady TD and how they are kind of, what's the word?
• 1:55:23
  They're like two halves of the same coin, like rhonchi landlady
• 1:55:25
  Chidi on one side and then you have Orchid or the goddess and
• 1:55:31
  moon Supreme dfq see, on the other side because they both are
• 1:55:36
  trying to go against fate or destiny to save.
• 1:55:41
  Another person to save their partner to save their Master
• 1:55:44
  whatever and the difference between wrong.
• 1:55:48
  Holly TD, + d fq c an orchid. Is that the they don't love each
• 1:55:55
  other, like they love each other, they care for each other,
• 1:55:57
  but they don't love each other wrong, how and Lady.
• 1:56:00
  TD don't, but Orchid and DF. You see, do they have this
• 1:56:05
  all-consuming love and one thing that the Arbiter, the real
• 1:56:10
  Arbiter said, Said was that love Falls outside of Fate which is
• 1:56:14
  why you have these Destiny leaves that are so like
• 1:56:17
  Buckwild. And that's what Orchid was
• 1:56:20
  saying. She was like, yo why are these
• 1:56:22
  stories? So wild?
• 1:56:23
  Like these things are happening. These terrible things are
• 1:56:25
  happening. And these people like go through
• 1:56:28
  it and she's like, well it's not really part of Fates plan, but
• 1:56:32
  love intervenes, love Falls outside of fate and that's why
• 1:56:36
  you have like this craziness happening and I loved how I
• 1:56:40
  think you mentioned this How the efficacy was the only person who
• 1:56:45
  could change. Her Destiny.
• 1:56:48
  Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes. Because that's what.
• 1:56:53
  Q. Not Cupid, our Master.
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  Our kids Master said like, yeah. And who can save her?
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  You are the only one who can change her Destiny and he didn't
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  understand it. It looked like he didn't
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  understand it when she says first said it.
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  But then he definitely understood it towards the end
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  when she was getting married, you know, following her path.
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  And he's like, oh, okay so yeah in the end she's going to die.
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  Mmm, I'm gonna die in her stead and that's.
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  Yeah, I mean I thought idea, I would love for both of those
• 1:57:36
  live and right. That's what we get in the end.
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  But yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by the end when we had
• 1:57:46
  a happy ending and I'm so used to Lofts at the end of my
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  wishes. Yes so it was just as very
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  happy. I was very happy as well.
• 1:58:01
  I was very happy. They got a happy ending last
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  thing I'll say about wrong. How and Lady TD was that I
• 1:58:07
  thought their story was really compelling and I also found that
• 1:58:11
  interesting that the writers felt that they needed to redeem
• 1:58:15
  wrong hell and that he was actually redeemable sort of in
• 1:58:20
  the end. And you kind of end up feeling
• 1:58:24
  badly for him. And for, especially for lady
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  cheesy, when she is finally resurrected, and she has all of
• 1:58:30
  these she's tortured basically by the evil Chi.
• 1:58:34
  And by what he's done and how he brought her back, and the way
• 1:58:40
  she begs to, for him to kill her because she's just, she's not
• 1:58:43
  the same and he realizes that he got got By the evil, you know,
• 1:58:51
  cloud teshan or something he realizes that he's been tricked.
• 1:58:57
  But you know, I I don't have a pity for him.
• 1:59:02
  You don't have I see. No, I remember seeing him in
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  episode 7. I was like this guy's the bad
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  guy because I don't think that he was even a good friend to
• 1:59:12
  tell him. Because technically, okay, ciao
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  was looking for chitti. Oh yes, here's yeah.
• 1:59:20
  And I'm and he knew where she was and he never said anything,
• 1:59:25
  so yeah, I don't think he was a good person to begin Camp, base
• 1:59:29
  of friendship. Ally.
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  And that's exactly what wrong. How did even though he was very
• 1:59:35
  close to, you know, try the second God of War tongue hung,
• 1:59:41
  he was still withholding so much of what made him him, you know,
• 1:59:45
  and made him unique what his story was and how he was.
• 1:59:49
  So now I don't think maybe devastate her, but reft bereft.
• 1:59:59
  Yeah. After lady, HED died.
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  And how he, you know, had this grand plan to bring her back.
• 2:00:05
  All of this was not part of their 10,000-year relationship.
• 2:00:11
  I will say that. I thought that they had a little
• 2:00:13
  bit of boy love Vibes between them when they were interacting,
• 2:00:19
  especially like towards the earlier episodes when he was
• 2:00:21
  coming over to drink and they were like in the painting
• 2:00:24
  together and like, writing this boat and just drinking the two
• 2:00:28
  of them. I was like, this has As a little
• 2:00:30
  vibe to it and I can ship them easily.
• 2:00:34
  Hold on. I have a question.
• 2:00:36
  Yeah, that time it did. Chaka.
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  Khan know that wrong house. Master was cheating.
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  Hmm. Oh I can't remember.
• 2:00:48
  Okay, I think that's a thing. I don't know if you knew I
• 2:00:54
  think. So then I would expect him to
• 2:00:58
  also get upset and angry at at chungcheong for liking Orchid,
• 2:01:06
  right? Like, you're betraying my master
• 2:01:10
  but there was none of that. It clearly told me that.
• 2:01:14
  Wrong. How did not care for chumhum?
• 2:01:17
  And that's something that okay. I think that's a little
• 2:01:20
  far-fetched. Like I do think that he cared
• 2:01:22
  for him especially because you saved his life when he didn't
• 2:01:24
  have to. And he knew that there was like
• 2:01:27
  beef between them that he was in the wrong that he was killing
• 2:01:31
  people left and right to create evil Chi and he was like doing
• 2:01:34
  things against the heavens plan and that he was a bit like wrung
• 2:01:40
  out. Knew he was the villain.
• 2:01:42
  No, I'm saying some villains. Don't think they're the Ellen,
• 2:01:45
  he actually was a villain. Yes, sir.
• 2:01:46
  That's true. And he was concentrating on
• 2:01:50
  getting Sheedy back. I guess made more efforts than
• 2:01:54
  chun-hyang to bring GT back, but I just feel like, overall, I
• 2:02:02
  think that tri-d and wrong how failed in their training, mmm,
• 2:02:11
  because I feel like as a master whose Teaching you have to
• 2:02:15
  understand Evolution and acceptance and Fades and all of
• 2:02:21
  that. And I don't think he learned
• 2:02:25
  that from her, got you. Yeah she was like why are you
• 2:02:31
  doing and you know, he she was talking about your devolving
• 2:02:36
  into your basest, human instincts here and wanting to
• 2:02:42
  save me and keep me alive and he Like, well, I don't care like
• 2:02:45
  fuck the world. I want you back and she was like
• 2:02:48
  the only time I ever like succumb to human emotion, or
• 2:02:51
  feeling was when I saved you. And that was really sad and
• 2:02:58
  wrong and she went to the Arbiter and was like can you
• 2:03:01
  save this boy and the Arbiter was like I can.
• 2:03:05
  But are you okay with being an agent of evil in the future?
• 2:03:09
  She was like yeah sure everything comes at a price and
• 2:03:15
  the price of their bond was too much either.
• 2:03:20
  That was like so many people were murdered and Are they
• 2:03:25
  weren't the same. Like even she was like your
• 2:03:27
  music has changed. You're different, where's the
• 2:03:31
  Purity in your music? And where's the Purity?
• 2:03:35
  In your fighting ability, like what happened to you anyway?
• 2:03:42
  I think I have come to the end of my notes.
• 2:03:45
  Did you have anything else you wanted to add about love between
• 2:03:48
  Ferry and devil other than its life-changing?
• 2:03:51
  Definitely go watch it. I'm so sorry.
• 2:03:52
  If you've listened to this far and And you have been spoiled.
• 2:03:57
  I wear. It's better than how we
• 2:03:59
  explained it. Please go watch the show.
• 2:04:02
  But Carol, what is up at last thoughts?
• 2:04:06
  Final thoughts. Final thoughts.
• 2:04:10
  It was a great drama. It was a great ride.
• 2:04:13
  I'm excited to see what both needs do.
• 2:04:17
  Hmm. Next, I'm going to watch the
• 2:04:19
  next drama. Today.
• 2:04:24
  Okay I'm gonna get my hair done so I got to download episodes
• 2:04:27
  and oh I got you but yeah I I loved it.
• 2:04:37
  Yeah, Mount Rushmore. Yes, it is up there.
• 2:04:41
  Yeah, for sure. It's up there.
• 2:04:43
  It's really good. Johnny 22 for sure.
• 2:04:48
  All right. Carol, thank you so much for
• 2:04:50
  coming. This episode.
• 2:04:51
  Thank you for making the time for being so gracious.
• 2:04:54
  And even suggesting that we do this episode, I have had so much
• 2:04:58
  fun watching the show, and so much fun talking with you online
• 2:05:02
  and offline. I can't believe that we actually
• 2:05:05
  cover to see drama on the regular debauch feed.
• 2:05:08
  It is a long time coming and it's kind of like in between
• 2:05:11
  Seasons. Like it doesn't even fits like a
• 2:05:13
  special episode but I'm so glad I shared it with you.
• 2:05:17
  Where can we find you online, Carol?
• 2:05:19
  You can find me at a Dramatics Club on Instagram and at Carol
• 2:05:26
  markway, also on Instagram and on Twitter.
• 2:05:30
  I yeah I just hang out online, do reviews.
• 2:05:34
  We're not can and I'd love to meet everyone to.
• 2:05:37
  So thank you so much for having me.
• 2:05:39
  I'm so glad I was your first see drama.
• 2:05:42
  Yes. Hopefully, I come back.
• 2:05:46
  Yes. Thank you.
• 2:05:49
  Thank you. And if you want more Carol,
• 2:05:50
  definitely listen to our search www episode, where we reviewed
• 2:05:55
  that show with Demi has welcomed, he's a trip.
• 2:06:00
  So if you want to know, Carol's background in kdrama and some
• 2:06:05
  other suggestions from her watch listen to that episode, It's
• 2:06:09
  amazing. So I think that's been our show.
• 2:06:13
  We gotta get out of here, we got things to do, we got more dramas
• 2:06:16
  to watch. So that's been our show.
• 2:06:19
  I'm Jessica and this has been the Dybbuk.
• 2:06:21
  He Rambles podcast.