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Jeff Kent gets in, Pirates meh Schwarber offer, Castellanos open to 1st base, Ketel Marte on the move? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hey, congratulations, did Jeff Ken Hall of Famer? Did you
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: see that one coming? Not that he wasn't going to
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  Speaker 1: get in, but that.
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  Speaker 2: It was just having having a long time?
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  Speaker 1: I agree, I've been a very big job. What am
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: I missing at second base? With that kind of it?
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  Speaker 2: Was the all time leader in Homers.
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  Speaker 3: Just got an m v P. You gotta World Series.
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  Speaker 3: It's not forget you forget you got a World Series?
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  Speaker 1: Blue Jake, he was on.
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  Speaker 2: He was on the one of those teams.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't he really?
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  Speaker 4: I thought he was.
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  Speaker 1: You might be right, but I don't know what what.
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  Speaker 2: It was missing?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what what what else he needed to
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  Speaker 3: do other than get elected and he was quick?
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  Speaker 2: Did he not win a World Series?
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  Speaker 1: Crowds h Yes, Wait he got a ring? He was
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  Speaker 1: on the he was on Toronto, was on.
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  Speaker 2: Three.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, oh did he go? He went to the Mets?
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  Speaker 1: So did they deal him away? But he got a
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  Speaker 1: ring for it?
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  Speaker 2: If you're on the team, he got a ring.
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  Speaker 1: No, I know that, but I'm saying he wasn't on
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  Speaker 1: the team at the end of the year. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, anyway, point is Kratz. I think we all agree.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Kent deserve to be on there. He wasn't getting
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  Speaker 1: as much attention during this exact run. I felt like
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of Don Mattingley and del Murphy talk,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of course Bondan Clemens talk. You know
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  Speaker 1: who actually got the second most love was Carlos Delgatto.
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  Speaker 1: That's another guy I agree, and and Kratz. We didn't
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  Speaker 1: get into it's a ton last week. But when you
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  Speaker 1: do match up Don Mattingley's numbers in Carlos del Vala,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, Delgado needs to be in over him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: over Donnie. If we're looking at first base and you're.
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  Speaker 3: Going but here's the thing, if you're if we're going
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  Speaker 3: mass numbers, right, But for that, for those six or
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  Speaker 3: seven years, Don Mannigan was like unbelievable.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, accumulating numbers.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't understand. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, there's a lot of people right now that are
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  Speaker 4: fans of baseball and never saw Jeff Kent play. I
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  Speaker 4: saw him play. I know a j played against him.
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  Speaker 4: I never played against him. Let's put this way. For
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  Speaker 4: him not to have gotten in by now, he must
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  Speaker 4: have really had to have pissed in somebody's corn flakes
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  Speaker 4: that I don't know about, because I mean, when you're
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  Speaker 4: talking numbers like three hundred and seventy seven homers from
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  Speaker 4: the second second base position, the fact that he was
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  Speaker 4: a ops plus of one twenty three, twenty three percent,
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  Speaker 4: better than everybody during his era, better than everybody during
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  Speaker 4: the steroid era. This dude banged and for him not
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  Speaker 4: to have been in was a travesty. But it's taken
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  Speaker 4: care of more second basemen, more catchers in the hall.
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  Speaker 3: Please agreed. But here here's my other thing. You know, listen,
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  Speaker 3: everyone was talking maddingly and Dale Murphy, who I also
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  Speaker 3: both believe both of those guys should be in. I
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  Speaker 3: just I don't know how certain guys got under five votes.
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  Speaker 3: Barry Bonds under five votes. Right votes.
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  Speaker 2: The people on this committee can vote for three people.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay, So you're telling.
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  Speaker 5: By who, though by people in that room, okay, but
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  Speaker 5: players are by.
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  Speaker 1: Well, probably there's more players in the room than anyone else,
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  Speaker 1: although there's also front office executives. So you go down
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  Speaker 1: the line, and there was a stance by a group
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  Speaker 1: of people that said, I'm going to vote for others
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  Speaker 1: instead I'm not going to touch that category.
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  Speaker 2: That's okay, what what category is that?
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  Speaker 1: That is the pe ed era category very clearlyspected, yes, suspected, Well,
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  Speaker 1: no p d ERA. I'm just saying p D ERA players.
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  Speaker 3: And there's here's here's the problem I have with this.
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  Speaker 3: In listen, I'm probably get killed for saying this, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Really care at this point.
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  Speaker 3: The players on this committee players, okay, And I looked
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  Speaker 3: them up and it was Juan Marichelle, Robinel and Alan Trammell,
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  Speaker 3: Fergie Jenkins, uh jeez, who will Tony Ferez, Jim Cott.
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  Speaker 3: Most of these guys I know, and in respect the
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  Speaker 3: hell out all these guys. But my problem is as
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  Speaker 3: a former player, and I played in the heart of this, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I was, I was in the beginning of my career.
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  Speaker 3: Was this and then it got cleaned up, right. I've
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  Speaker 3: said on the record, if you got tested positive after
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and five, then you're out for me, right.
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  Speaker 2: If you did it before, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: But for these former players that were sitting in this room,
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  Speaker 3: and my question is, if you're looking at Barry Bonds,
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  Speaker 3: you're looking at Roger Clemens and you're looking at Gary
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  Speaker 3: Sheffield and you're looking at some of these guys that
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  Speaker 3: are alleged to take steroids. Right then, I'm gonna ask
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  Speaker 3: all these players this question. Did any of you guys
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  Speaker 3: take a greenie.
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  Speaker 1: That's a different category though, why They're gonna tell you
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  Speaker 1: why why.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same exact thing.
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  Speaker 3: They took a ped that is now, So if you
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  Speaker 3: took one in your career, then you're the same.
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  Speaker 2: As these guys.
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  Speaker 1: Did you say cocaine?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, because the argument is going to be
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  Speaker 4: the argument is going to be, oh well, steroids was
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  Speaker 4: illegal when it wasn't tested for we was the steroids
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  Speaker 4: were illegal, So we're just bringing everything guys.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, okay, I'm just saying, if you if
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  Speaker 3: you can look at it, trust me, you can ask players.
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  Speaker 3: And I was again, I was in the middle of this.
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  Speaker 3: More people when I played, and I was in the
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  Speaker 3: middle of before and after, more players complained about greenies
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  Speaker 3: being taken away than they did steroids. Because greenees on
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  Speaker 3: a day to day basis affected you more and more
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  Speaker 3: guys could That's how you got excited for the game.
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  Speaker 3: More guys took those than they did, and that's why
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  Speaker 3: adderall became such a big thing.
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  Speaker 2: For years.
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  Speaker 3: Guys were like, oh, man, I gotta get on adderall.
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  Speaker 3: I know, it was an outrageous amount of baseball players
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  Speaker 3: that were on adderall legally, right, But if.
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  Speaker 2: You were again, this is my whole argument.
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  Speaker 3: If you took anything illegal, that is illegal and not
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  Speaker 3: allowed now by Major League Baseball, and that's everyone says, oh,
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  Speaker 3: they weren't against the rules in baseball, but they were legal.
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  Speaker 3: A greenee you can't just get right, and there was
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  Speaker 3: all there was green ones, pink ones, black ones. There's
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  Speaker 3: all these different bills you could take. So if you're
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  Speaker 3: a former player and you ever took any of these, pete.
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  Speaker 1: Rose, you got to draw some type of line.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same.
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  Speaker 1: It don't pay for you to categorize. So you're saying
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  Speaker 1: steroids and greenees both not allowed, right, illegal to just
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  Speaker 1: be popping those, that's the same category.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, okay, and there now now they're banned.
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  Speaker 3: If if it's not a performance enhancing drug, why do
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  Speaker 3: guys get in trouble for taking one?
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  Speaker 2: You're still get a penalty.
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  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, Now, if if you get caught using greenies,
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  Speaker 1: you get I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, But to me, that's the problem I held with
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  Speaker 3: this whole thing, like, why of these former players and
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  Speaker 3: they're all Hall of famers and they're better players than I.
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  Speaker 2: Was, so please don't use that against me.
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  Speaker 3: But to me, if I'm as a former player, right,
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  Speaker 3: I look at it and I say, okay, I know
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  Speaker 3: what I did, okay, and I can't look down upon guys.
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  Speaker 3: I took a green. I did one.
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  Speaker 2: I took one green.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: One because I shocked, yes, and I'm not gonna get
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  Speaker 3: int the store. It's a funny story. But I took one,
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  Speaker 3: and I thought I was gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Have a hard text. I never took another one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: too much, okay, But.
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  Speaker 3: For me to look at a guy who took who
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know what they took and say, oh man,
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  Speaker 3: he's bad. I'm in the Hall of Fame, but he's bad,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm not letting him into my club. Well, unless
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  Speaker 3: you didn't take anything in your career, And it's hard
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  Speaker 3: for me to look at anybody.
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  Speaker 1: And say that Royds looked at differently. And I'm just
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  Speaker 1: telling you the case. And we should bring on someone
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  Speaker 1: that was in that room. So you guys can go
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  Speaker 1: back and forth. That's part of what this show is
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  Speaker 1: all about. But I'm just telling you as the messenger
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  Speaker 1: here that Rouds are looked at differently. There's a line
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  Speaker 1: that's drawn. Those are like the poster boys for that era,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why this is occurring. It's all good points,
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  Speaker 1: but at some point, yeah, we should get into it
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  Speaker 1: with someone. We are back on Foul Territory and finally
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: taking a breath for a moment. Here we're in Orlando.
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  Speaker 1: All kinds of people are passing by us, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: try and get insight from them if it's somebody important.
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  Speaker 1: But for Charge the Mound today, I think it is
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  Speaker 1: worth spending a little bit of time on Kyle Schwarber
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  Speaker 1: and all that surrounds him. Does he return to the Phillies.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a surprise team that gets involved for him?
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  Speaker 1: He is such a popular person. Anybody that you talk
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  Speaker 1: to brings that part up. But let's also not forget
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  Speaker 1: Krats as you see it in Philly very often, how
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  Speaker 1: powerful he is and how he kind of looked better
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  Speaker 1: than ever this past season. I think that's what's getting
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  Speaker 1: people excited too, is do we have someone that's going
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  Speaker 1: to age like Big Poppy? I mean, in terms of
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  Speaker 1: production stats wise, Big Poppy never really tailed off.
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  Speaker 2: I think you do. I think he's that guy.
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  Speaker 1: So if that's the case, what happens here? And is
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  Speaker 1: that why he's being talked about so much despite being
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  Speaker 1: a DH Where often you can get to this point
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  Speaker 1: in your career krats and they're throwing one or two
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  Speaker 1: year deals at you. Schwarber's gonna get five and feel
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  Speaker 1: free to mix in that. We're bringing this up because
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  Speaker 1: the Pirates reportedly offered him four years and maybe something
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  Speaker 1: above one hundred million bucks. Ken Rosenthal putting that in
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  Speaker 1: his notes column yesterday. I'm gonna go with JB here
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  Speaker 1: because I commented right after it was posted yesterday Kratz,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, hey, Pirates, welcome to the dance. For
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  Speaker 1: the first time, you're gonna throw an offer out there
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  Speaker 1: that you know is not going to get it done.
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  Speaker 1: Like usually it's like, if you're Pittsburgh and you know
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  Speaker 1: you got to state a strong case, you better really
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  Speaker 1: put it together and do something strong. Force him to
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  Speaker 1: say nowhere, at least put something out there that you
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  Speaker 1: know is going to be at the top of the
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  Speaker 1: competitive offers. This is not going to be that they
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  Speaker 1: like Jim Boden said, you need to offer six at
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  Speaker 1: least five. The fact that they put a four out there,
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  Speaker 1: to me means they don't know what they're doing in
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  Speaker 1: the hot stone world.
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  Speaker 4: All right, well, you you made two comments there, one
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  Speaker 4: Schwarber as a player in person on the market to
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  Speaker 4: the pirates. So I'll first address the pirates part of it.
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  Speaker 4: The pirates are like that dude who went to a
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  Speaker 4: charity option, knew he had no chance of getting anything
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  Speaker 4: that was out there, and was like talking to somebody
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  Speaker 4: like this as they were bidding, and he just like
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  Speaker 4: scratched his head and they were like, right there in
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  Speaker 4: the red hat, we got we got four years, one
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  Speaker 4: hundred million. And the pirate like, oh boy, somebody else
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  Speaker 4: is gonna offer right like, we don't. We don't have
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  Speaker 4: that money. We we I'm I'm not in going once
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  Speaker 4: go it. Oh boy, this is bad. So no, the
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  Speaker 4: pirates aren't gonna get Swarber. That was cool if they
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  Speaker 4: really wanted them, and they really didn't want to make
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  Speaker 4: this whole this like a whole like case of like,
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  Speaker 4: oh see, small market teams. To me, it feels like
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  Speaker 4: a Major League Baseball ploy, like oh, small market teams
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  Speaker 4: like the Pirates. They tried on Kyle Schwarber. We tried
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  Speaker 4: so hard, but it's just not fair. We weren't able
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  Speaker 4: to go quite far enough. So that to me is
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  Speaker 4: just whatever you're out Kyle Swarber as a player. The
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  Speaker 4: fact that at this age guys like him only get
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  Speaker 4: maybe a two year deal shows what we were talking
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  Speaker 4: about with JB. What he means in the clubhouse. But
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  Speaker 4: to me, I think it more means what kind of
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  Speaker 4: changes he made last year, the fact that he lowered
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  Speaker 4: his strikeout rate, the fact that he hit the most
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  Speaker 4: left on left home runs. Because he's a DH. I
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  Speaker 4: doubt any team that's in contention is gonna say, Kyle,
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  Speaker 4: we need you to play left field for two years,
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  Speaker 4: then you'll be a DH for the last three to
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  Speaker 4: four years of his contract. He made those He made
• 11:15
  Speaker 4: those adjustments because teams can't afford to lock up DH
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  Speaker 4: for five years at thirty million a year. And for him,
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  Speaker 4: he did this, and he continues to do this. He
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  Speaker 4: continues to pursue what makes him a better hitter and
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  Speaker 4: what makes him be the best, most valuable hitter on
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  Speaker 4: the field. And he's that much. He's valued that much
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  Speaker 4: in the clubhouse too.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I got a question for your crotzy. We're talking
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  Speaker 3: about the pirates, right what what what changed for the pirates?
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  Speaker 2: What changed for the pirates?
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  Speaker 3: And now they have to spend this money because for
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: years all we heard was we can't spend money. Did
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  Speaker 3: they find a pot of gold at the end.
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  Speaker 2: Of a rainbow?
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  Speaker 1: No, there's a really good or.
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  Speaker 3: Did MLB go to him like they did with another
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  Speaker 3: team and say you have to spend it. We're and
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  Speaker 3: there's big grievance filed against you.
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  Speaker 1: That's the answer. You're asking crats to ask me. I'm
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  Speaker 1: the nerd.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm asking both of you all.
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  Speaker 1: That's why there thousand billion percent the answer. They have
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  Speaker 1: to do it. The lockout is looming a year away.
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  Speaker 1: So this is one of those forced pushes, just like
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  Speaker 1: it was last year with the A's that they have
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  Speaker 1: to do this. It's also in their best interest because
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  Speaker 1: if they don't do this, there is an internal battle
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  Speaker 1: and how Steinberner is the prime example. He speaks about
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  Speaker 1: this publicly. He'd like to see the dollars that he
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  Speaker 1: gives those teams actually go towards player payroll in the competition.
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  Speaker 1: Versus it being shoved in a pocket. So anyway, add
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  Speaker 1: that all up, we can go all day on that way.
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  Speaker 3: Has any Mark just put a great point in the chat?
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  Speaker 3: No team ever has been more eager to tell everyone
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  Speaker 3: they're making.
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  Speaker 2: Offers, but they're not real, they're not.
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  Speaker 3: What Jim Boden said was the best thing ever, because
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  Speaker 3: we say it all the time. If you're the Pirates
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  Speaker 3: and you haven't won and forever, you have to go
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  Speaker 3: over and above to get these players. They're not just
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  Speaker 3: gonna wake up more and be like Kyle Swarber is
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  Speaker 3: not gonna wake up one morning and go you know,
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  Speaker 3: I got an offer from the Phillies, I got an
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  Speaker 3: offer from the Pirates, and I got an offer from
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  Speaker 3: what the Yankees. So I'm just throwing a random third
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  Speaker 3: team out there, and he's gonna say I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: the Pirates.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that's it. I want to be different. I want
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  Speaker 1: to do something different to finish my career. Wait, Kratz,
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  Speaker 1: I loved your analogy. I'm going to play to it
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  Speaker 1: even a little bit more. I think they're at the
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  Speaker 1: auction and it's a high priced item that's super popular.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's going to go for a lot. So
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  Speaker 1: what do you do within the first second, You raise
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  Speaker 1: your hand and you just do one of the first offers,
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  Speaker 1: because then you can say, hey, I bid on it too.
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  Speaker 1: I eventually lost, but I did bid on it too,
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  Speaker 1: right because kind of the first one that has been
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  Speaker 1: publicly shifted out there for Schwarber, we haven't heard any team,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they just remember Nailor.
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  Speaker 2: We tried on Naylor. We tried were the fifteen million
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  Speaker 2: short Ken sed.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't actually formally even make the offer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so you're, hey, that's cute.
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  Speaker 1: And the one good thing Crats I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: completely trash them because it's easy to do it all
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  Speaker 1: the time. The one good thing is I do actually
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: think that they're going to break their curse and they're
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: going to sign someone that is going to be more
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  Speaker 1: than a von Nova. Right, this is the last time
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  Speaker 1: that they've given out a multi year contract. I think
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: they will do a two plus year deal to someone,
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  Speaker 1: and I actually do think they'll also beat what I
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: believe is their highest free agent price ever, which was
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: three years thirty nine for Francisco Leriano. I think they
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: will be both of those things because tis this season
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  Speaker 1: they have to do it with the lockout looming.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I agree with you. I think they're going to
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: make a splash. And I think part of the reason,
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: you know you said maybe what is what has changed?
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  Speaker 4: You know what you have, Paul schemes. You have a
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  Speaker 4: golden ticket. You do have a pot of gold at
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  Speaker 4: the end of the rainbow that is going to be
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  Speaker 4: gone in two years. That is going to be gone
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  Speaker 4: and possibly a year and a half if you don't
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  Speaker 4: make some kind of splash, not a five year or
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  Speaker 4: a four year splash, maybe more in the two to
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: three year range. But you want for me, I say history,
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: who has ever needed to do this? Who has ever
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: needed to make a splash that You're like, Man, I
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: can't believe it. I will always bring up the Jason Worth.
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: Jason Worth called his ex teammates with Philly and said,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: how can I not? He's like, I want to come back,
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: I want to sign back. You got to remember they
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: were in the middle of that run where they were
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: winning the Division, they had won the World Series, they
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: had gone to the World Series, they lost to the Giants,
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: and Jason Worth got offered one hundred and twenty some
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: million dollars for seven years. His next closest offer, from
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: what I heard, was seventy seven million. So if the
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Pirates want to get in on somebody, not saying as Schwarmer,
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: but somebody that's going to change their franchise as far
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: as like ooh, now I want to go there because
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: they got Paul Skeens and this player, it has to
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: be in that realm. You're talking about over fifty million
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: dollars that the Nats had to offer Jason Worth three
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: extra years to make them come to relevance, and that
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: was twenty ten eleven, and they didn't win till twenty nineteen.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: So you've got to make this. You got to make
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: some kind of splash that's gonna be more than what
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: is gonna be on the market.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: What did Jim Buden say about the Tigers. They went
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: out and got Pad Rodriguez and they overpaid him, and
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: everyone's like, why did you pay? And then they went
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: out and got Maglio the next year, And in two
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: thousand and six they were in the World Series because
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: they had Verlander and they Kenny Rodgers, and they went
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: and got all these guys that Carlos Gian remember, they
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: brought him over.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: And it was like, Wow, the Tigers are really trying.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: And then when they made another run, they went out
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: and got Prince Fielder and they went out and got
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: that whole crew of guys.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Right, you can change the narrative pretty quick, pretty quickly,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: especially in a central division.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: And with schemes, and with schemes like looking.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: And Jarret Jones and Bubba Chandler and Mitch Keller already there.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: You have a top two pitcher in the sport.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: I'll say I'll say that the Pirates may even be
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: more set up than what the Tigers. We're set up
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: last not this season, last season to go on a
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: run because of the fact that they have Jared Jones,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: they have those pitchers, and they have schemes. Who is
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: their schoobul who has shown he's actually been more dominant
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: than what Scooble has. So you've seen what teams can do.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Add to it a little bit like like do something,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: don't waste it again?
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, AJ mentioned the Tigers, Let's go there next. By far,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the biggest trade would be if Trek Scouble gets moved,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: whether it's this week or not. I mean, I also
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: want to be real with everyone. The Winter meetings are awesome.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: There's no obligation for anything to happen during these three days.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's chaos, sometimes nothing happens. Just letting you know.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: It's not like there's some deadline or something. But we're
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: all here, the industries here. It is cool. But just
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: throwing that out there in case you're like, well, they
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: said that this might happen and didn't happen. Oh, it
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: could happen a month from now. Trek Scoogle was written
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: about by Ken Rosenthal this morning and the Tigers in general,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: and how if they're going to keep him, you gotta
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: take your best shot to win in twenty twenty six.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: You have the best pitcher in the American League. Well,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: if you have school, you'll get more if they okay
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: and get reinforcements. And then the other side of the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: coin is if you don't trade him, if they don't
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: if they do trade him.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: If they do trade him, then.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Who's going for him?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Dodgers Yankees?
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Oh man, if the Dodgers get Dodgers get Trekschoob, they're
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: going to be so bussed.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Remember how the Dodgers r in baseball last year?
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Well, guess what, here's the thing. If the Dodgers get
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Trek Scougle, they did not outbid every other team money wise,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: they outbid them prospect wise, right, that that's what it
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: would be in. Maybe some major league talent involved in
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: there as well. But if that's the case, other teams
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: didn't make it good enough.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: If they get him and they're running Yamamoto school snell Glass, now,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: holy crap, I don't want to hit. I don't want
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: to play in that series. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna have
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the back crass my back, oh man, my back all
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: of a sudden.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: If I'm a team crafts like the let's just say
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays because they lost to them just now
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: in the World Series. I'm like, hey, the trade. If
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you're really trading him, and the Dodgers have the best
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: to offer, call me at the end and I'll do
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: something so dumb. I'll unload like my farm system and
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and a major league pitcher just right, just to prevent it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Because that's the thing. I mean, they pick at the
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: back of the draft. They don't get as much money
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: to spend in the draft. Like the draft is the
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: most capped system there is, and the Dodgers still are
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: pumping out prospects. So if that happens, the rest of
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the league fucked up.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, in my opinion, like you stopped at you
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: stopped at the Yankees and Dodgers when you were talking
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: about teams, because I mean, you can throw the Blue
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Jays in there, the Phillies have to be in there.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: There's there's even small market teams. You're talking about a trade.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: You're talking about the that you have a guy who
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: took a team who when you take him off of
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: that team doesn't make the playoffs, when you take him
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: off of that team doesn't win a playoff series. And
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: you've seen what the Tigers have done. So to me,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: it's not just those big market teams. To me, if
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: the Brewers don't trade, if the Brewers don't trade Freddy Peralta,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: the Brewers should trade for scoobl It's one year, it's
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: a prospect, it's prospects that you're getting rid of. And
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: if they do it now in the offseason, whatever team
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: would trade for him, you're getting a draft pick in
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: the end, because he's gonna sign for three hundred plus
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: million dollars.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Prospects are all suspects. But here's the thing.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So let's take the other side of this. Ken wrote
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: this morning. I'll summarize, but if you're Detroit and you're
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: keeping him, and you're deciding I'm not going to get
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a massive return for one year of one of the
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: best pitchers in the sport, then you're assuming right. You're
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: aiming for a World Series title. You need to be
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: able to look at your roster and say, yep, I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: did everything that I could do. Even if you need
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: to scale it back next year, payroll, whatever it is,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: that's fine. You're telling yourself this is the season. So
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: if you are doing that. He pointed out how their
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: front office leader, Scott Harris can be somewhat risk averse
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and look for diamonds in the rough. I know, but
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: some more than others. And he said, look at the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: trade deadline last year, avoided getting uncomfortable, and look at
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: some of the other things that he's done in prior offseasons.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: He did make a push for Alex Bregman, so you
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: would think maybe they get involved with someone like that again,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: but I think the point was valid. You either sit down.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I think he needs to sit down with his ownership group,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Chris Ilich, and he needs to say, hey, are we
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: going hard this offseason? If not, we should trade Terrek Scouple.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Listen, Almost every GM is risk averse now because they
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: don't want to be the one that gave up this
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: player and he became something they don't want to be.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: They don't want to be Aj Preller.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Preller gave up his players and if some of them
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: turned into something, you know what, But he's like, I
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: screw it, I went for it, right. You don't want
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: to be the guy who gave up Tatis for James Shields, right,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: and if you get a ring.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Like kratz Issayan, it doesn't matter.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: But I just every we've had this, and we've had
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: this conversation on the show all the time. More gms
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: are afraid and talk themselves out of making the move
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: instead of just making the move. Just make the move.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Just if you want the player, like you Bote and
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: just here. If you like the player and you want
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: the player, go get the player. Worry about the restlator
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I've never asked. I've never asked Gymnast because I know
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: what his answer would be. But if you're a GM,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: do you want to say, Man, did I do it great?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: For seven years? I built up one of the best
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: farm systems that I could ever. Do you know what
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: we had a we had we won fifty four percent
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: of the time. Or do you want to say, you
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: know what, I worked for four years, we got a ring,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: or you know what I worked for four years just
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: fell short.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: I pushed it. It was the time I look at
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I look at the I look at the Tigers and
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: the Brewers, and I say, if the Brewers don't trade
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: for Terry Scoogle, then the Tigers are trade for Freddie
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Peralta like like you sit there and you go there's
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: times when teams could be one starting pitcher away from
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: giving this team in this city the best chance to
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: win a World Series. And I have a hard time,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: and maybe this is because I'm an I'm an idiot
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: player ex player. I have a hard time believing that
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: is the wrong thing to do, because this is your window,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: this is your chance. You're never gonna get an opportunity
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: to sign a guy for five years, one hundred and
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: fifty million, so you might as well go for it
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: in this way. There's different ways to go for it
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: and financially, the long term deals to Kyle Tucker or
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: Show Hey are never gonna happen for your org, bring
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: it to bring the championship to your city this way.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So what do you want to do if you're Detroit
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: right over the weekend?
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: They before we talk to Troit, I want to ask
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Kratz and you a question. There was a guy we're
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: gonna have on the show tomorrow. He is the new
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: general manager president baseball offs of the Saint Louis Cardinals.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: He went to Boston, Okay, built up their farm system.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: All the guys if we're all talking, Roman Anthony, Marcelo Meyer,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: he's the one they drafted and developed them all right,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: he got shit canned?
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Sorry him, you're out, Craig brosely In ask him, well,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: ask him tomorrow. What do you think he would rather do?
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: If he looks back on it. They told him to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: trade Mookie Betts, they told him build up the farm system.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: He did all those things. Doesn't have a choice, but
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: he didn't win and they got.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Rid of him.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: So do you think he's like, damn? If I would
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: have just traded Marcelo Meyer in Roman Anthony and got
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: better players at the big league level that were ready
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: at that time, I'd still have that job. That's basically
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: what krat is saying. And we have the perfect guy
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: coming on tomorrow in heim Bloom who did that, got
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: let go, and now he's gonna have to do it
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: again in Saint Louis. This guy knows that he has
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the map to how.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: To do this.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: That's why it's a tough job though, because you have
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: to thread the needle. You do not have the it's
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: say news flash, the owner does. So he has to
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: listen to the owner who says, hey, you gotta trade
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Mookie bets.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: You're the guy.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: You got to do it, and he might say, hey,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I'd rather actually trade some prospects. Re signed Mookie long term.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: It's not up to him. And then you have to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: thread the needle of getting them to the next great
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: red tax team, even though you were just given like
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: a really bad directive, and if you don't, you're out
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: and they move on to the next person. Okay, for
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the Tigers, I mean, I'm just throwing this out there.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna spend a lot of time on this,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: but they signed a guy named Drew Anderson. He had
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: been overseas for four years. One of the better pictures
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: in the KBO We're seeing a lot of this lately.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: There are more they.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Were able to sign, they got the deadline came where
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: they were able to become like basically free agent.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So that's why right then they they come over. So
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you know, has improved himself out there, high strikers, blah
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: blah blah. That's great, might be a starter. Now let's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: talk deep end. What should the Tigers do if they're
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: keeping Trek Scoogle that is realistic for them. I think
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: an other Big Boys starter with s Google And what
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: are we doing with the offense?
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: They strike out so much?
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So so you want then, I mean,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: ideally you want to contact slug Guy because that's the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: perfect that.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a guy that plays third base that
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: their manager has a very long history with that's a
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: free agent this year that they didn't get.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And they got closed last year.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, continued Bragman would look really nice in that lineup.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It would look very nice. And my understanding was the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Tigers pumped out a number from their computer projections and said,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: we're sticking to this. We don't believe that he's got
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: something better.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: How did that guy not good?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Not good?
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: They just thing, if they would have had one more hitter,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: they could have won that series against Seattle.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly mean school pitch, great toys and lost.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: That was the difference.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what he said.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: That's what he said.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: That's what he said. I wish Kratz was here for
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: this right now, but he had to jump. He played
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: with Sonny Gray on the Yankees and he's always got
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: good insight there. But he's not here, so we get
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to talk about it. The drama that nobody saw coming.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Sonny Gray's tenure with the Yankees has become a back
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and forth battle.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: You know what.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I just I haven't really paid attention to this because
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Sonny Gray didn't pitch very well in New York and
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: he didn't really enjoy his time. He's basically just said that,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: and now it's gonna turned into a whole big thing,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: which I love. And you know what, he gave his
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: opinion and not everyone loves it. Every part I played
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: in some play, I played in some places where you
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: didn't exactly love it, But you know what, good for
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Sonny Gray.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: But there's more to it because of the aftermath. I
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: don't know if you got all these quotes. So Brian
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Cashman spoke and said, when Sonny was with the A's,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: he was telling our minor league video coordinator, the Yanks
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: minor league video coordinator, you gotta get me over to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the Yankees. Tell cash get me over to the Yankees.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I want out of Oakland. I want a championship. And
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: cash later went on to basically say that his agent
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: told him to do that, to lie that he wanted
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: to get over there. His agent, Boe McGuinness, actually gave
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: a statement out this morning. He said, so Brian is
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: trying to make people believe I told Sonny to, in
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Cashman's words, lie to the minor league video guy to
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: try to get Sonny to the Yankees, even though per Cashman,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Sonny did not want to be with the Yankees, to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: subsequently somehow help Sonny's free agency. This makes zero sense. Further,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the words I want to I want out of Oakland
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: have never been said by Sonny. He loved his time
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: with the A's. See now it's on. Did you hear
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: all that? I now it's on. That's what's going on.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't still work for the Red Sox. How are
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: you boy?
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: So?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I just minor league video guy now makes trades.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Who side are you on?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's great for people are
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: talking about this, but.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: This is a this is a head to head battle.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: You've got a player ramped.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Who feels on Bostle ramped up.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Right. Clearly, Sonny didn't like.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Well, he didn't pitch well, and he wasn't happy in
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: New York.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: But Cashman said he never wanted to go there. According
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: to the lies that were told by Sonny to try
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and get himself over there to help his free agent case.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know that.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Fran Cashman's like a long time
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: executive with the Yankees. Why is he throwing that out there?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: And then your guys's.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Gotta have backing on it. He's not just throwing it
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: And I love the candor from him. But the other
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: side is like, make this make sense, funny?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I don't. I don't know.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I can't make this make sense because if Sonny Gray
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: went and said I want to go to the Yankees, okay, well,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: then when he got there he wasn't very happy. But
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Cashman said he didn't want to come to the Yankees
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: and when they're in there a story where he was
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: supposed to go somewhere else in the last minute, the
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Yankee stepped in and got them I believe.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: So.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Kratz actually was the one who shared
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the day.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I love it. I love it.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I love when gms and players get into it because
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: doesn't happen ever, especially over guys that were pretty good
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: and they went to a team. And but I don't know,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I think there must be some too, because Brian Cashan
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: disitually doesn't say these things, and then Sonny Gray also
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: never says anything either, So there's got to be somewhere.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: And you know, there's three sides of every story. His side,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Scott side, and the truth side.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: There's four sides because we have the player rap in
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Bob too, the agent. We don't see agents come out
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: like this or not many of them. Of course, you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: we have Scott Boris on the show. He's pretty public
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: with his comments. Many other agents stay behind the scenes.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: And this pissed someone off so much that they felt
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: like they needed to defend themselves. Yeah, and tell their
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: side of the story. Yes, that's good stuff. Yes, for
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: our purposes. What are we really going to figure out here?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: We're going to figure out that this year when Sunny
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Gray gets to face the New York Yankees, we have juice.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: That's all. It is.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Three or four times when he gets the face added juice,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: just fire, fire every time.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: When they're on every Fox game on Saturday, in every
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: ESPN game on Sunday Night. Oh wait no, they don't
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: have you Sunday Night anymore. Do the NBCNBC, NBC.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Sunday Night Yankees, Red Sox Yankees, Red Sox, Gray.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Verse, cash Man. It's on the battle, all right, next
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: up on. That's what he said. Nick Castellanos is open
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to learning to play first base if someone wants him
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: to do that. It is no secret that he has
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: not looked at in high regards for his defensive work
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: in the outfields, and there was some battles about that.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: He can still hit. He wasn't comfortable this year. So listen,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: if he wants to play first base and he thinks
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: it'll help him, great, if there's a team out there
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: that needs a rain hitting first baseman, hitch you thirty doubles.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I don't mind this trick. He's not making that much.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: No, he is making a lot, but the team that
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: he goes much will hold up. Hold up. The team
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: that he goes to next is not going to pay
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that much. There are some true they'll pay it down,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: they'll pay most of it down. There are some thoughts
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: that no team is actually going to take it, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: that some team is just like, I'll convince him to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: take a league minimum deal. After those two part ways,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: what is pretty evident at this point is that the
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Phillies will not have him on next year's roster, whether
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: that's via trade or buy out. That basically just pays
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: him to go back to free agency, and then they
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: make up the league minimum money. Right the Phillies would
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: essentially just save like eight hundred K because he'll sign
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: with some other team. So that's the debate right now.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And if there's a team that is really interested him,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: they could say, hey, we'll take on you take on
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: everything except for I'm just making up a number two
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: million bucks, right, so we'll take him on a two
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: million dollar deal, which gets us the player. So that's
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: all that's going on here. I agree, I think the
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: numbers weren't great offensively for him this year, but there
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: was a lot going on. Clearly was bad.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: He didn't get off to a great start. Him and
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Topper clearly had something happening. And Nick just wants to
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: play every day and and I think kind of be
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: left alone. We've had him on the show and he's
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: a great interview because he gives you a ton of
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: quotes and he says a lot of good stuff. But
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: there are times where he just wants to play and
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: be left alone. And then you know if you ask
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: him a question, he's going to give you the answer.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: When they asked him about the communication thing, remember he said,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: well there hasn't been any which is pretty We want
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: people to be honest. He was pretty honest about it,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: but it didn't sit well with Philly fans. And let's
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: not forget he got some big hits for them down
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: the stretch. He got the big hits for them in
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: the playoffs. Right, So this dude can still do it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: He just needs to go to a place and if
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: it's not Philly where he's comfortable and play, just plays.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Let Nick Cassiano's cook.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I know people are gonna say, oh, I didn't have
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: that great year, he had a good year.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Well, it's the defense I mean, yes, the offense wasn't
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: nearly as good as it's been in some past seasons,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: but I do agree. I think this is still a
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: bat that can be effected in the major leagues. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: get it on the defense side, but the way that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: most of the front offices work these days, AJ is
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: that they look at the defense and then that adds
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: into the war number. And his war number this year
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: was last out of one hundred and forty five five
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: players on fangrafts. I'm just the reason I'm bringing it
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: out or bring it up is because it is good.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you what is used to evaluate him, and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: my teams will say, well, you want me to pay
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: down what for a negative war player. That's just what's
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: going on right now.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: So I do think he'll latch on with another team.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I think the Phillies probably will trade him, but they will.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's making twenty mil next year, the Phillies
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: will eat. My guess is at least eighteen ish million,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: because most teams are saying he's not more than a
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: league minimum guy right now based off last year's okay metrics.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: That's all. So he's down to I never expected him
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: to not say that that he wouldn't what's he gonna say?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: And I will not move positions, No, of course not.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: This isn't the Rafael Dever situation a little bit different,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: but it was worth bringing up.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: You might have to buy it though.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: All right, what do we have here today? The winning division?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: So as in the team that will represent the National
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: League in the World Series. And these are your odds,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: and i'll Central plus three sixty n L East plus
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: one sixty NL West plus one ten.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I just I like the I don't like these odds.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: A better right, because there's not enough values. We got the.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Dodgers in the west, right the East, you have the Mets, Phillies, Braves.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: In the central you have Cubs, Birds, Reds, Reds. Are
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: they gonna beat the other teams.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: And the other that's probably not.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: That's where unless they make some serious moves. But I mean,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: the pick is the Central. You're gonna throw money down, right,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: but to me, until I said it last year, until
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: someone beats the Dodgers.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing. We break down almost anything that
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: you can touch on the futures market. Then you just say,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: you know what, this is a category that I'm not really.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: We found a couple, We found a couple that we
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: could bet.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: We found plenty, And I just want to make it
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: clear with people. It's like when we bring up a
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: board like this, sometimes I look at the board and
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Nah, if you just have money to burn and bet
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: on the West.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Because it's basically plus money, it's even money, but it's
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: even money.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: So if you want to hunter down and win ten
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: bucks maybe down the road or even even the East,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: take a shot on the East.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: No, one hundred down and win one ten not.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Ten yeah, yeah, well yeah, get your yeah.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Sorry, So you have basically double your money, but you
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: need yeah, the Dodgers or do you think there's another
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: team Here's where it goes. Do you think there's another
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: team in the NL West that would give you a
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: little bit of quote insurance versus just putting it on
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers alone. That's the whole name.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: And depending on what the Giants do, uh, Padres aren't
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: going to probably do a whole lot.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that to me, I'm always yeah, I'm always
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: intrigued by the bull Backs. Maybe yeah, San Diego's got
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the bullpen to carry you in the playoffs. But this year.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: It was the offense. I mean it was a short series,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: but there wasn't much offense from them, and it was
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: actually a problem during the year.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't have much pop either. They still don't.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Not like it went out and got more pop.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: No, I mean fairly anybody has done anything. But that
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: is something they should try and solve, is can you
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: find some offense even if it sacrifices some other things
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: like defense or contact. They specifically, I think we're bottom,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I know, bottom five, if not bottom three in home
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: runs like that's it's not good enough, not in today's world.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: So anyway, bet MGM wants to give you another chance
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: at first touchdown scores, so you can get a little
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: second chance for motion your stick back in cash if
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: your first touchdown scorer scores second instead, and also up
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: to fifteen hundred dollars paid back in bonus bets if
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: you don't win and you're a new player using the
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: bonus offer. Foul foul gambling problem or concern called one
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: eight hundred gambling in the weeds. Let's go through more
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: of the notes column for Ken Rosenthal, and there are
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: articles coming out fast and furious during the show. Of course,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: we'll get to some of those newest. I mean, if
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: there's news, we're hitting it. But if there's reports and columns,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: we'll get to them tomorrow. But Ken was talking about
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Kansas City outfield shopping. Ideally they'd like to get two.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: It sounds like Kyle Isbel could still be the answer
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: for them in center, although if they found an upgrade,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they would dance there. I think they might
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: be in on Harrison Vader. We've seen that float around,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and they would like to ideally sign one and trade
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: for one.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, they still.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Think when we had Jim Boden on Cagli, they still
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: think he can be a star. But then where do
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: they go from there? I mean that's kind of been
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: the problem, right is Whi's great, Salvey's getting older. The
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: cal Franco had a nice year. They traded for India.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: He didn't do anything for him.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Mike Michael Garcia, mikel Garcia, Michael Franco did play for
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the Royals.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, kids in the head.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: He never did cal Garcia. Sorry, uh, but yeah, they
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: need offense. I mean, Vinnie got off the slow start,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: picked it up down the stretch. But where do they
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: find the offense got to come from the outfield.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: And they have good pitching. They have.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: They figured out a bullpen with Ersig and some of
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: these other guys that they threw out there. But where
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: do they get the offense? And that's always been a
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: thing in Kansas City. They've always been able to pitch
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: because the way they the ballpark get playing. But can
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: they find enough offense, especially power, because that is not
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: a home run hitters park. And when the years they won,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: they had fast dudes, they could hit doubles and triples
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: and run all over the park, playing credible defense in
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: the outfield, and they had just enough homers. Mistakas bored
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: and Salve right Osmer. So can they replicate that they
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: have the pitching, can they take the next especially if
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Reagan's Buba shays it what he does, walka Lugo are
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: healthy again, They're.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: In there in the right division.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: We keep going back to this, but the division matters,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: the AL Central matters versus the Alas. Wow, Yeah, he
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: put the Royals in the AL East or fifth place team,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: like you don't even think about it, fifth place, but
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: in the Central they can win the division.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: You got a shot. Yep, that's true, and hey, two
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: years ago, the AL Central really shines. Number of teams
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: made it to the playoffs, right, and the got the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: round The Guardians got through what two rounds?
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Well, the Yankees took out the whole Ale Central.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just they were like, you're not as good
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: as us. You're not as good as us, not a
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: playing to your point, you would not do as well
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: in our division, you would not do as well.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: The Tigers had a chance against Americas loss.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah right. It's not knocking the whole division general.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Just your comp of some of those teams in the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: AL East I think is accurate. It makes sense. But
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: for Kansas City, sure, they have to work around budget restraints.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: They can't go big game shopping. Some of the names
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: that can put out in his note column are not
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: that sexy.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is all about what do you
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: wanted to give up to get what you need.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I'll give you some of the names. So he said,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read from what Ken roade. Among free agents,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a reunion with mike Y Stremsky is one avenue. They're exploring.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: A Doolie scarcia, Max Kepler and Mike Takman or among
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the other free agents they could pursue.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Mike Takman. I'm just not on the Royals.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: If the White Sox are gonna non tender, And why
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: didn't they train him as the trade dedife. He had
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: an interest, they could have got something for him.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about Mike Takman or Luis Robert Mike?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: We'll start with Mike talking.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: But that's my point is clearly they've got something else
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: going on there where they feel like they need to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: hold the guy they get their asking for Mike.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: DFA, DFA, when did he get the fae right?
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: But so they wrote out the second half with him,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: They wrote out the second half with him, and I
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: guess they were gonna see what it looks like or
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: what you just said would probably get disputed, right, It
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: would probably get disputed by them being like, oh no,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: there weren't any offers. But you're saying there were offers.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: For who Robert for talk?
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I'm sure somebody would have taken Mike talk. Yeah, he
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: was having a nice year and he's a guy that
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: kind of gets on bays, has some left end and
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: throat pop, and.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Well we've got that with two guys. I don't know
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: what to tell you. I mean, Luis Robert. There were
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: offers too, for sure, they were offers. They said, offers
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: aren't good enough. We're gonna drop another twenty mil and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: think about it. He could get traded this offseason too.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: There aren't many center fielders and if you believe in
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the change of scenery hype, it could be your guy.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: It gets them out of what was a weird scenario.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: We don't think we're getting enough. We're gonna pick up
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the option and ride into next season up and we're
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: getting smashed.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: They said, they said they're going to play or sorry,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: play in the free agent market.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe that was an Anthony k It was, you know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: a nice story. He got two years.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: But sure are those they're big moves because now their
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: payroll goes up just naturally from picking up the option.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: They can handle all of that. I'm not.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Playing Devil's advocate here.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. John Hayman wrote Red Sox interest in
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Ka tell marte.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: So so am I I want Kit tell Marteo on
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: my team.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna get traded? If they trade him?
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: It has to happen this offseason. It still can happen
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: after that, but he would have to give them approval.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: That makes it way more difficult, as we saw it
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: with Nolan Arnatto last year. So he's the best second
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: basement in baseball.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: He's the best position player available for trade. If you
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: I mean for me, who's.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Better available per trade? People have said, hey, we just
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: got to travel it. That's probably the he's the best
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: second basement. He's just a brilliant offensive player.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: He just yeah, he'swer.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I know, defense brings something. He's clutches. Hell. We saw
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: him in the playoffs a couple years ago.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: He was the guy for the Diamondbacks.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: If you if you take him and ad him to
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: a lineup, whatever lineup you want to throw him, he
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: may instantly makes that lineup better.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: When a guy is getting floated out there consistently, there
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: usually is something to it. I think we're on the
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: same page. I would aggressively go after a player like this. Yes,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: some people are like, oh, well, what's with the you know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: missing the day here and there? Right, we had the
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: drama last.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Year, but then you saw for Nomo stand up for him.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. I think I think they'll
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: be okay. I would take that production. You have any
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: issue every once in a while where he has to
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: disappear for a day. I mean, you don't want it
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: to happen, but didn't somehow was mom. That is some stuff.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: We don't know everything going on with people.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: You don't know everything that's happening with people and their family,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: people in their life. People, their kids are s their
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: wife is sick, their brothers sick, their uncles.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they say one thing, but really they're covering for
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the other.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: So there's just a lot more happening than I mean, listen,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I went through a lot. I've been through a lot.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I've had things of my issues with every part of
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: your family you could ever have, right, and it is it.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: It never goes away, like it never goes away.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, health issues, but you don't want to tell everyone.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: You know, somebody's kids sick like that. Stuff happens and
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: you can't tell.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: And there are those things you can just don't want
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: to tell people.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets very public. So anyway, point is Haymon
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: said red tax interest among many other teams. Some of
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the other teams he brought up were the Mariners, the Pirates,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the Rays, the Tigers, the Blue Jays see to me,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the theme of the day or the team of the day, Pittsburgh.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: This is a perfect expedition for them, and it's going
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: to be hard for them to reprove players.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I think the Pirates have to trade. This is what
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Agreed, could tell Marte. Right, So if you, if you
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: especially guys money where your mouth is, it's it's not
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: crazy money. It's the money that we're talking about here.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: It's like the Kyle Schwarber money. Because here's my thing.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: When you're recruiting players, it's going to be difficult as
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: it is right with the Pirates. Now add this. To
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: get those players, you're going to have to overpay. And
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I know it doesn't necessarily matter, but when you are
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: restricted on your budget and if you only can spend
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: it on one player, it does get pretty complicated. So
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: to me, trading is the move they've been rebuilding for eternity.
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  Speaker 1: To tell Marte, who I have gone out nice.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Also, if you go out and
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: you trade for a kid, tell Marte. Then you go
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: to the free agents you say, hey, look we got
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: tell Marte, we got Reynolds and we got O'Neil Cruz
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: and we have this guy and we have that guy. Hey,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: it's a little more we have Schemes and Chandler and
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Jared Jones a killer. It gets a little more attractive
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: to free agents to come by and say, hey, they
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: actually are trying.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe this is something they're actually gonna try and.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Do versus we did. Did you see the news? We
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: did send it offer to Kyle Schwarber for four years.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: That's well, good for you, you're gonna finish in ninth
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: place for him. But for Kittel Marte, he's making fifteen
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: million next year and he's owed one oh two point
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: five mili from twenty twenty six to twenty thirty one.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: So whatever the match is there, I'm saying that is
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: exactly in the wheelhouse of what It sounds like the
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Pirates are going to be able to commit to another player.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: So that's, in my mind, the direction that they should
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: be thinking now to get that player. It's gonna hurt,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to give up prospects, but come on,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: whatever you're doing. Clearly Pittsburgh's interested in trying to at
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: least sniff a playoff race. I think that's the thing.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: And also if they don't this front office moves on.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: You've got to show people that you're trying. You can't just.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Say it if they're not in a race in September
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: for a playoff spot, there's I will say this, there's
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: no chance they're going to keep the current group with
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Ben Sherrington in there again, it'll have been like seven
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: or eight years. I think there is no.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Way he's now been giving the green light to spend money.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a combination. It's what we talked about earlier,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: where it's a the lockouts looming. You guys never spend
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: fake like you're into it for a year as the
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: owner with the budget and then we can go from there.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: So to me, it's a perfect storm. If you're Ben Charrington,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: you're getting a little bit more budget for the first
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: time ever and you actually have to do something or
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: you're going to get fired.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to point out in the Red
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Sox where they were big money.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's not him, right, but I'm just saying to me,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: that's the kind of team that should make an offer
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: for a guy because all they have to do is
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: is win the bid. With free agency, it's it's going
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to have to It's a different.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: You have to play a different game if you want
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: to again, you have to show it before you I think,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: before you can go get the free agent, like, okay,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I'll use the Nationals. We always use the Jason word. Right,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: But they had Harper in Strasburg. I think we're already
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: there right before they went out and got Jason Worth.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Then they had Zimmerman, right, they had rendeout, So they
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: had these guys coming. So as a free agent, you
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: look at it and you say, and then they went out,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: they got worse. He was the first one. Then they
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: went and got Sures er Corbin. Right, But they were
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: already seeing that they were on the right track before
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: they went there, right, because I remember twenty whenever whatever
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: suss first year was twenty fifteen. When he signed there,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: I was like, they had Harper, Sures or Strassburg. I'm
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: like this sucks because I was in the division. I'm like, dude,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I got to go to Washington face these dudes like.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: It was real.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: But people outside the organization could see it and they're like, oh,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: there is a direction.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: People want to be part of.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: People want to be part of it. It's kind of
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: what happens with the with the Dodgers right now. It's
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: a destination, right Oh, the Yankees forever were that place.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Tont Toronto's getting there. They're working on it right Toronto's
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: working on it. Red Sox, like the Cubs for a
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: for a while, were that kind of destination. He kind
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: of place, but they've kind of lost. When you start
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: losing it, you got to get it back.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Right. Jesse Chabez, who was on our show when he
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: announced his retirement, is right back into the big leagues
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: in the coaching world.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Cool bullpen coach.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Good for him, Yeah, I mean, is there a better
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: guy to have a bullpen coach? He he was in
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: the bullpen for like twenty five years for like twenty
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: five teams.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Now does this play to what you want from Tony
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: v Telim and his staff? There has been a bullpen
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: coach before, but he is a very seasoned Major leaguer
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: who has been around every Class's what I'm saying to
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: higher you want slap hands? If you were playing the
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: over undergame of how many people slap hands with Aj
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Prizinski over the last three hours, the number is sixty four.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: That's it?
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Or maybe it's sixty seven.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: I thought it'd be way higher than that. What do
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: we consider slapping hands? Are you like a hug, a fistbamp.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Just like any hand contact hand to hand, it's way
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: higher than that. Yeah, it's probably one twenty nine, just
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: if we.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Were counting from the time I walked in here. Just again,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: that's a whole It was ridiculous.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: It was one hundreds, which is great because as you said,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I haven't been to the winter meetings a long time.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: You haven't been around with us for a long time.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: So the people you see that you just don't see it.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I see more than you do because I'm still out there, right.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: But like the relationships with the reporters and even the
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: managers and some of the other coaches that come by,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: it's cool.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: It's cool to see them all one place. It's just
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: It's a lot. So the ones for me are haven't
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: seen you in three years and they want some time,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: and that's cool, but not until the show's done. So anyway,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: thanks to everyone that was joining us today. Think we
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: did a nice three hours live team behind the scenes
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: crushed it. And it is not easy to figure out
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: how to put this stuff together here too. They limit
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: us on Wi Fi and all that stuff. And look
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: what we did, three hour live show. We're doing this
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: again on Tuesday and Wednesday. We'll have plenty of guests
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: joining US managers, front office leaders, the whole deal, and
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: we'll get to all the rumors reports. We'll try and
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: get insiders the whole deal uh on FT here the
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: next couple of days. So we'll see you on Tuesday live.
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  Speaker 4: Mmmm