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  Speaker 1: Jesus is the report. Tonight, the ABC buckles after first
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  Speaker 1: defending the disgusting film is showed about sodomizing managing her
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  Speaker 1: own heart, but the Albanezi Governments Communications Minister still refuses
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  Speaker 1: to tell the ABC to apologize. She actually said today,
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  Speaker 1: there's nuance here. Nuance. Can you believe it? I'll show
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  Speaker 1: you that feminist hypocrite's amazing response later. Lots more also
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  Speaker 1: coming up, So let's get stuck right in watching Paul
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  Speaker 1: and Hanson. On Paul's show last night, I thought it's time.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: I mean it's well past time. Hanson must now put
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  Speaker 1: up all risk turning into a rerun of the Joe
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  Speaker 1: for hambur Push. This might seem like old history to some,
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  Speaker 1: but the parallels are too close for comfort for her
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  Speaker 1: and the millions of Australians who have put their hope
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  Speaker 1: in Hanson and votuston't actually changed that much. In nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty seven, another populist premier, job Bylki Peterson, stormed out
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  Speaker 1: of Queensland, which is Hanson's home state, on a crusader
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  Speaker 1: topple Bob Hawk's labor government, with lines that could have
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  Speaker 1: been written by One Nation's Malcolm Roberts.
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  Speaker 2: Can Bob Hawk be beaten by anything other than a
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  Speaker 2: coalition government, a coalition party, quite simply, yes, they can.
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  Speaker 2: He can, he can.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't need the National Party.
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  Speaker 2: Study Parney behind me, supported the policies I had. We
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  Speaker 2: could do it ourselves without any problem at all, because
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  Speaker 2: the Australian people are fed up to hear with everything
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  Speaker 2: that the Labor Party of doing. They're trying to run
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  Speaker 2: a nation on a crack foundation. You wouldn't build a
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  Speaker 2: house on the foundation. They've got of twenty eight different
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  Speaker 2: organization the Communist and Socialist, the international socials, the majority group,
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  Speaker 2: the rightness Left, Oh god, you god.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this Joe for camberra push was huge news of
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  Speaker 1: the time, promised the revolution. Joe for Camber was the
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  Speaker 1: slogan and Joe for PM was the dream. The media
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  Speaker 1: was fascinated, headline every day and so on. A bit
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  Speaker 1: like Hanson at the moment, Biorchie Pedisen had few policies,
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  Speaker 1: but he did campaign on a tax that would cost
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  Speaker 1: plenty twenty five percent flat tax. Pauline Hanson has her
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  Speaker 1: own big tax idea income splitting somebody that would cost
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  Speaker 1: the budget six billion dollars a year at least. Plus
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  Speaker 1: there's other expensive promises like having the fuel excise. That's
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  Speaker 1: another ten billion a year now. Again, like Hanson Biocy,
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  Speaker 1: Peterson spent little time explaining his policies. He also avoided
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  Speaker 1: tricky details. And I CanCon Biocky Pedson and someone who'd
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  Speaker 1: was there to explain what he really thought. Hansen has
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  Speaker 1: Bunny be Joyce, Joe had wife Flow who'd explain her
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  Speaker 1: husband even with the man sitting right next to her
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  Speaker 1: in the studio. Does he want to be prime minister?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that you'd say he actually wants
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  Speaker 3: to be prime minister. I believe that he wants to
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  Speaker 3: be sure that Bob Hawk isn't prime minister. I think
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  Speaker 3: that that's the whole answer Ray, and he's working very
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  Speaker 3: hard to do that. He's got good policies, and I
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  Speaker 3: believe that policies that the ordinary average people be very
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  Speaker 3: happy to have a policy where it's a twenty five
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  Speaker 3: cents in the dollar incometaction And to me, if you've
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  Speaker 3: got seventy five cents in your hand, what are you
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  Speaker 3: going to do with it? Out of every dollar?
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  Speaker 1: To be his campaign manager, oh, I.
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  Speaker 3: Suppose I could do a good job, but I'm pretty
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  Speaker 3: busy looking after Queensland as one of Queensland Senators Ray.
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  Speaker 1: But most importantly, like paul In Hansen, Bierkie Petersen a
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  Speaker 1: national split the Conservative vote and robbed all oxygen from
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  Speaker 1: the Liberals, then led by John Howard. It was not
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  Speaker 1: then the politician he became, of course, by Coy Pedison's campaign,
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  Speaker 1: it collapsed, killed largely by a lack of policy, a
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  Speaker 1: lack of detail, lack of coherence, and all that Bilkye
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  Speaker 1: Peedterson achieved was Howd's defeat and Hawk's triumph. Labor One
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  Speaker 1: beg well. Today's news twenty four Pulse Yougove poll suggests
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  Speaker 1: the same could now happen again, even though Prime min
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  Speaker 1: Sir Anthony Alberanez he is no Bob Hawk, more like
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  Speaker 1: a sitting duck than a Hawk. Support for Hanson's One
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  Speaker 1: Nation has once more fallen, albeit this time by just
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  Speaker 1: one percentage point, leaving it three points behind Labor and
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  Speaker 1: now only three ahead of the Liberals, who seem to
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  Speaker 1: be slowly recovering. But after preferences, Labour still wins against
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  Speaker 1: both parties, really, despite being itself the most unpopular governing
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  Speaker 1: party that polls have ever measured. However low Labour's vote is,
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  Speaker 1: it still wins against the divided Conservatives. Hanson last night said,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry. She was finally about to announce her candidates
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  Speaker 1: and her policies for the Victorian election, which is one
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  Speaker 1: nation's next big electoral test, and it's in just four
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  Speaker 1: months time.
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  Speaker 3: We have locked in about seventy four seventy six seats
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  Speaker 3: the moment of the eighty eight, so we have got
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  Speaker 3: our candidates.
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  Speaker 1: Well, very high time indeed for them to be announced
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  Speaker 1: in the policies we hope as well. But even then
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  Speaker 1: it may now be a bit late too late, because
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  Speaker 1: already without those candidates and policies, one nation has dropped
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  Speaker 1: its support is dropped by a third according to some polls,
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  Speaker 1: now down to ninety percent in Victorious's newspole. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's still extremely good compared to where it was, but
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  Speaker 1: is certainly not enough to do much except hurt the coalition.
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  Speaker 1: And in the meantime the contest of Victoria has sharpened
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  Speaker 1: to a battle between the Liberals Jess Wilson and Labour's
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  Speaker 1: new Premier Ben Carroll, with one nation barely rating a mension.
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  Speaker 1: Now you may say you know who cares about Victoria,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But failure there could be fatal to Hanson's
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  Speaker 1: momentum federally. It could pop the balloon, change the narrative. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I've said before that Hanson has reached a point where
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  Speaker 1: she must pivot. She's gained the voters' attention. Boy has
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  Speaker 1: she done that? Now she must gain their trust and
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  Speaker 1: that means being normal. Because normal now is enough stunts
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  Speaker 1: like consorting with convictor thug Tommy Robinson in London this month,
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  Speaker 1: that that's a mistake. Hanson's got a campaign like a
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  Speaker 1: real candidate for prime minister, and that means especially she's
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  Speaker 1: got to explain her plans again and again and again
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  Speaker 1: until they seem clear and safe and you know, voters go.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, that hasn't happened. And again I ask why
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  Speaker 1: is Hansen, for instance, not exposed to the lies that Labor
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  Speaker 1: tells about her call for a monoculture. I know what
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  Speaker 1: she meant, I've said what she meant. Why is Hanson
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  Speaker 1: not explained herself what she meant? Instead we've had Barnaby
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  Speaker 1: Joyce trying to explain it. Bikipedison used to have a catch,
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: don't you worry about that. But Hanson must, she must
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  Speaker 1: worry and must sweat those details, must sweat those policies,
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  Speaker 1: or all this excitement will be for nothing, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it'd be bad news for the country. Of all
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  Speaker 1: that paul En Hanson achieves is the reelection of the
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  Speaker 1: Albanize government, and I think that's confirmed today by what
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  Speaker 1: the government actually hailed as good news today's inflation figures.
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  Speaker 1: They were less bad than expected, which is a bit
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  Speaker 1: like saying a punch to the head didn't hurt as
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  Speaker 1: much as you expected. Headline inflation fell to three point
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  Speaker 1: eight percent from four percent, still far too high, but
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  Speaker 1: yes it's down. Although the underlying rate that strips out
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  Speaker 1: the temporary stuff, that's the rate that the Reserve Bank
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  Speaker 1: looks at and setting interest rates, showed still on three
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  Speaker 1: point six percent. Again it's still less than expected, but
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  Speaker 1: three point six percent. The treasure wasn't letting that though
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  Speaker 1: stop him.
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  Speaker 4: What these numbers show is that inflation across a number
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  Speaker 4: of measures is lower than what the market expected, certainly
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  Speaker 4: lower than what we expected at budget time, and lower
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  Speaker 4: than was forecast by the Reserve Bank as well. It
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  Speaker 4: is an encouraging outcome.
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  Speaker 1: Now here are some reasons why inflation is so high.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look at what's really gone up. Electricity again,
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  Speaker 1: electricity up twenty two percent. How much of that is
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  Speaker 1: due to the government itself, and that's after some rebates
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  Speaker 1: ended of course, house new houses building them up again,
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  Speaker 1: rents up, and while fuel costs have fallen. That's because
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  Speaker 1: of the seas far in the war in Iran, where
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  Speaker 1: in fact the that's actually breaking down. The war is
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  Speaker 1: again threatened to break out big, with Iran yes esterday
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  Speaker 1: launching a surprise attack with ballistic missiles on US forces
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  Speaker 1: in Jordan, or miss lesfortunately shut down. Perpetro was already
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  Speaker 1: going back up after this resumption of hostilities. Joining me
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  Speaker 1: is the panel Michael Costa, former New South Wales Labor
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  Speaker 1: Treasurer and News twenty four hosts James McPherson Michael less.
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  Speaker 1: Inflation is clearly better than more, so give that to
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  Speaker 1: the government today. The chances of another interest rate raise
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  Speaker 1: this year are also now lower. The Treasurer calls this
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  Speaker 1: encouraging news. What do you call it, Well, it's bag dad.
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  Speaker 5: Bob Chalmers added again, I mean, look, you can spin
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  Speaker 5: it all you like. I mean, there was a thirty
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  Speaker 5: percent of market predictors. Forecasters thought the rates would be higher.
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  Speaker 5: The other seventy percent thought it would be where it is. Look,
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  Speaker 5: let's not kid ourselves here. We are facing what I've
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  Speaker 5: called a soft stagflation. I mean, bottom line is that
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  Speaker 5: core inflation is stuck and the core inflation that counts
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  Speaker 5: hasn't moved, and it's way outside the band. So what
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  Speaker 5: it means either the Reserve Bank, you know, does what
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  Speaker 5: I think it should have done earlier, was you know,
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  Speaker 5: try and break the back of it by having some
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  Speaker 5: higher interest rates. And I know your viewers is not
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  Speaker 5: going to like to hear that, but we would have
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  Speaker 5: been better off if we had have done what the
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  Speaker 5: rest of the world did, was break the back of
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  Speaker 5: it early, or we're going to drag on in this
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  Speaker 5: sort of middling economy that's you know, at the moment
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  Speaker 5: performing at the bottom of the OECD. I mean, our
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  Speaker 5: labor productivities collapsed, but were still our multi factor productivity,
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  Speaker 5: which is the key to being a smart economy, is
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  Speaker 5: in negative territory. Andrew, you know, he's dressing up an
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  Speaker 5: economic corpse at the moment, and nobody is fooled by
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  Speaker 5: what he said, his predictions and forecasts mean nothing. We
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  Speaker 5: still remember the two dollars increase in rents and that
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  Speaker 5: those figures blow that out of the water that was
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  Speaker 5: supposed to be out of the budget. You know, two
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  Speaker 5: dollars week. Clearly they're gone up higher than that. So
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  Speaker 5: really we've got major problems and the government's primarily responsible
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  Speaker 5: for destroying our productivity.
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  Speaker 1: Well, James, what do you think I mean you just said,
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  Speaker 1: Michael say, voters aren't going to buy what the government's
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  Speaker 1: selling about how good things are getting. Now, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think will.
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  Speaker 6: They No, of course they won't.
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  Speaker 7: I mean you don't congratulate the captain of the Titanic
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  Speaker 7: because the orchestra was really playing in tune tonight.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, that's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 7: Inflation is still well above the RBA recommended limits, and
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  Speaker 7: prices keep going up, whether it's energy, whether it's housing,
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  Speaker 7: whether it's groceries.
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  Speaker 6: I bought a.
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  Speaker 7: Two liter bottle of milk last night at my local
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  Speaker 7: service station cost me eight bucks.
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  Speaker 6: I couldn't believe it. And that's the experience of people
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  Speaker 6: day to day.
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  Speaker 7: Regardless of what Jim Chalmers says, prices keep going up.
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  Speaker 7: The only thing that's going down Andrew is the government's
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  Speaker 7: standard for excess, and so we're expected to applaud Jim
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  Speaker 7: Charmers because inflation is very high rather than very very high.
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  Speaker 7: I was interested a couple of days ago that there
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  Speaker 7: was a leak from Jim Charmer's own department. He had
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  Speaker 7: been given advice that inflation could reach seven percent by
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  Speaker 7: the end of the year. Now I'm interested that that
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  Speaker 7: was leaked, and it seems to me that Jim Charmers
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  Speaker 7: is quite happy for us to expect the worst, so
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  Speaker 7: that when instead we just get really bad, that we
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  Speaker 7: all say, oh wow, things are going great. They're not
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  Speaker 7: going great, and voters are not buying Jim Chalmers spin
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  Speaker 7: for a second.
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  Speaker 1: No, well, observed Michael. What's obviously really hurting us. One
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  Speaker 1: of the big things is, as the Reserve Bank governor
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  Speaker 1: our self noted just yesterday, is that we have very
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  Speaker 1: little productivity growth. I mean, it's just really bad. And
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that is actually cultural. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: when you look at people graduating as engineers, China obviously
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  Speaker 1: a big country. He's got one point three million new
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: engineers every year. The US has got one tenth of that,
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  Speaker 1: and Australia just twenty two thousand, but past those figures,
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  Speaker 1: nearly half of that twenty two thousand, they're actually students
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  Speaker 1: from overseas, especially China. We're training Chinese engineers, and this
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  Speaker 1: shows in the kind of Chinese technology that have been
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: showing on the show, like these new robot dogs or
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: this new Chinese car, the fastest production model vehicle in
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  Speaker 1: the world. Now wonder that a third of the car
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  Speaker 1: sold here in May were Chinese. We are being left
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  Speaker 1: Michael way behind technologically and seem to have very little
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  Speaker 1: interest in even studying the subjects we need to catch.
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  Speaker 5: Up well, Andrew, that's true, But we've always been importers
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  Speaker 5: of technology. The areas that we've advanced our technology in
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  Speaker 5: the areas were competitive advantage. I mean in mining, we
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  Speaker 5: were leading the world in mining equipment until the government
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  Speaker 5: came along, increased costs, reregulated the labor market. You've got
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  Speaker 5: those disputes going on in Western Australia in the mining industry.
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  Speaker 5: So the problem in our country is is the reregulation
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  Speaker 5: of the labor market and the inability for businesses to
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  Speaker 5: have a fair go at creating innovation. You know, because
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  Speaker 5: of the regulation, the red tape, and you know, the
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  Speaker 5: silly policies. You know that Labor Conference announced another layer
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: of bureaucracy that what is it, the Worker's Court. I mean,
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: that's the last thing we need. Then you've got that
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  Speaker 5: dope in Victoria that they've thankfully got rid of, you know,
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  Speaker 5: legislating for two days working from home and teachers asking
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  Speaker 5: for thirty percent wage increases. Our labor productivity is not
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  Speaker 5: sustainable in terms of the real wage outcomes these people expect.
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  Speaker 5: We've got to fix that up. And we can't fix
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  Speaker 5: that up unless we deal with the labor market, our
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  Speaker 5: multi functor product ift. What I talked about before, the
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  Speaker 5: way we use capital and labor together is a disaster
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  Speaker 5: because there's no incentive in this country because of government
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  Speaker 5: and regulation and crowding out with spending to invest in
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  Speaker 5: Australian businesses. That's our fundamental problem.
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  Speaker 1: And yet I think this also, I agree with you fundamental,
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  Speaker 1: But there's also James, isn't there a cultural problem in
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  Speaker 1: a country that goes big on teaching, you know, gender
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  Speaker 1: studies and feminist studies and white studies. For us to
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  Speaker 1: have the sixth lowest rate of engineering graduates in the
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  Speaker 1: OECD strikes me as a cultural issue. If you don't
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  Speaker 1: have the engineers, how are you going to engineer the solutions?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, we don't graduate many engineers,
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: but we graduate an awful lot of people in grievance studies,
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: which is fantastic, except they don't produce anything. We used
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  Speaker 7: to be a nation that produced things. Now we regulate
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  Speaker 7: people who produce things, and that's our biggest problem. You know,
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  Speaker 7: I was reading the other day that in Victoria, where
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: you are, Andrew, you now require thirty seven licenses and
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: approvals to make a cup of coffee. If that's what
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  Speaker 7: it takes to open a cafe in Victoria, God help
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  Speaker 7: you if you want to actually invent something that's going to,
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  Speaker 7: you know, be exportable. We talk about productivity in this
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  Speaker 7: country like it's some mysterious force.
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  Speaker 6: And we're just trying to figure it out. It's not complicated.
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  Speaker 7: Productivity is what talented people do when they're not buried
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  Speaker 7: under government paperwork and not crippled by government taxes and levies.
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  Speaker 7: If I was to ask you, Andrew and Michael, you
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  Speaker 7: know what would be more likely in this country that
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: someone would emerge a wonderful inventor of things or someone
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: would emerge a brilliant administrator who holds round tables talking
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: about innovation. We all know what we're good at. We're
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: good at administrating and regulating. I wonder we don't produce anything.
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  Speaker 7: It's to our shame and our disadvantage.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that we're that good at administrating either.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: The polls Machael One Nation as sag and support. They're
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: liberals on the raise and might have to eat my
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: words one day about calling Angus Taylor a dead man walking,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: but both still being beaten by labor. What needs to
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: happen to change that?
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  Speaker 5: Well, Andrew, I'm not surprised by this, and you know
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  Speaker 5: when you look deeper into those poles, that's when you
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: get really worried. I've said once before to you that
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: I think that the One Nation is going to act
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: like the deal p did to the Labor Party in
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  Speaker 5: the sixties and seventies. It's going to keep it out
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  Speaker 5: of government. And the reason I say that is if
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: you look at the preferences which are critical to any
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  Speaker 5: different outcome, we already know that twenty percent of liberal
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: voters won't vote for One Nation, and twenty percent of
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: One Nation voters won't vote for the Coalition because they're
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  Speaker 5: ex labor people. So you're going to have a real
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  Speaker 5: problem getting a consistent preference flow. And that's in a
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  Speaker 5: compulsory system. In an optional system, it's going to be
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  Speaker 5: even worse in New South Wales, which we have an
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  Speaker 5: optional system. So I think that's the problem. You know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: one nation has to be exposed by the Coalition. I
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  Speaker 5: mean it has got to take the charge up in
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  Speaker 5: relation to it being another big government operation, that's all.
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  Speaker 5: It's about. Everything you hear about is spending this and
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  Speaker 5: spending that, cutting taxes there, but no sustainable economic plan
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  Speaker 5: in doing that. You don't attack the support it, of course,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: because they are frustrated.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they're disillusioned with the major I think that's right.
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  Speaker 5: It's not their fault.
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  Speaker 1: I would add. I would add that I'd go the economy,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: but I wouldn't criticize them on multiculturalism. In fact, I'm
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: surprised the Liberals haven't taken that themselves. It is an
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  Speaker 1: issue and if they seize that and have the economic creds,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that could be a winner. Michael Coster, Jameson Ferston, thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much to you both. After the break Rowan Dean.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I found Donald Trump sometimes so very frustrating. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's done a lot of good, and it's got the
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  Speaker 1: power to do so much more, the power and the
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: strength of character. But he has a great weakness. He
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  Speaker 1: likes what he calls winners, which in foreign affairs thins
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  Speaker 1: the mean. He's got a very unhealthy liking for thugs
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and tyrants and bullies. You already know about his bromance
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: with war criminal Vladimir Putin a strong man, but what
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: about his dangerous closing up to Turkey's Islam as president
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: strong man rechiptep murder one Now. Trump yesterday was cross
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: when Israel's Prime minister said he wished Trump would not
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: now sell Turkey the world's most advanced jet fighter, the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: F thirty five.
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: Prime Minister Yayaho opposes send he'd have thirty five's to Turkey.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Are you going.
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: To He's been a great ally for me, you know,
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  Speaker 8: I think he's he's done a very good.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Job, did a good job with area.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: He's a friend of mine, and nobody tells me what
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: we should be selling, and that Turkey has been a
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: tremendous ally for me. Who's up to Turkey, Turkey with
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: Turkey is not a big fan of Israel, you know that, right,
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: and not a big fan of Baby.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: So is a great ally at a friend, tremendous ally.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: In fact, the man who told the United Nations this did.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: I maybe us and I did I'm good.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: But not with America. Well, this sort of runs in
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the family. Everyone's Daughter Heads, an organization which recently co
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: hosted the World Decolonization Forum aimed right at me Erica
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and the West the.
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  Speaker 9: Cold exhaustion but here that Canlan e Fandelic complex in
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  Speaker 9: Downngutuma's eaching or Chicken divet zero Canons system in partist
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  Speaker 9: Laundroda New York, I'm Sardam, the Retina, Beginning ser Nerda
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  Speaker 9: Diander Juan and art Un Americans that stumbled by Jakarta,
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: the adis Ababa, the Robot Kahire, the Ghaza, the Retina
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  Speaker 9: and beginning Biasis stand in ftgib.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Well switch the world's centers of knowledge from London and
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Paris and America and bring it to Gaza. A lecture
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: on decolonization from the daughter of the President of Turkey,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: which win in its former carnation incarnation as the Ottoman
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Empire was one of the world's biggest colonizers ever, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: it still colonizes northern Cyprus, joiningy Is Rondina through Chief
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: of the Spectator Australia, hosts of Outsiders every Sunday at
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: nine am and host of his own show on Fridays
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: at seven pm row And I'm sorry to give you
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the you know, take the viewers a little bit of
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: ARCANEA really I mean, but still this worries me. Trump
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: seems blind to how leaders like Putin and Chinese using ping,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the leaders of Iran and our Turkey, they don't just
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: want to deal, they want America destroyeder in Turkey's case
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: at least cut down two size.
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: Well, first of all, to take this the first point
• 23:36
  Speaker 10: about the colonial empire, that is the that was the
• 23:40
  Speaker 10: Ottoman Empire and is the Muslim world today. It is
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: a colonial enterprise, the Islamic enterprise, if you want to
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: call it. That is the world's greatest colonial enterprise currently
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: in the world, and it was the Ottoman Empire, and
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: it's trying to re establish that through various means. So
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: clearly the Turks have got a very refined sense of
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: humor and irony to be holding a decolonization.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: Seminar in the Heart and Distant.
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: Perhaps they could call it the Constantinople Seminar on Decolonization
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: and hand back and those other glorious institutions back into
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: Western slash Christian hands. But you've got to admire the
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: Turks for their sense of humor and Edigun's sense of humor.
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: They're also, of course, currently the president of COP thirty one,
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: for which edi Gun's team in Turkey beats Australia and
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: beat Chris Bowen to be the global leaders combating climate change.
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: So the Turks are combating climate change. Not quite sure
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: how much they literally are doing, but they're going to
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: be holding a COP conference, and they're also of course
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: holding a decolonization conference. They've clearly learnt the ways of
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: the West and how to appeal to the leftist Western mindset.
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: As for Trump, the clear thing about Donald Try is
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: that he will be kind to you and say nice
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: things about you if he wants something, and once he's
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: not going to get what he wants, or is decided
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: he doesn't he doesn't need it, or he's not going
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: to get it anyway, he quickly changes his tune. We
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: saw with Alban Easy, how keen he wants to butter
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: up to Alban Eazi, how quick he was to dismiss
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: Kevin Right. The key thing here is he obviously sees
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: a need for Turkey to play a role in the
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: Syria that's been re established. We don't really know how
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: that Syria is going, but Turkey clearly plays a role
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: in that. How that will play with the Kurds, with Iran,
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: et cetera, et cetera, if we're back on our four
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: D chess board. But on that issue, you're right, Andrew
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: that Donald Trump does some great things, and you're I'm
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: less inclined to agree about the weaker sides of him.
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: But what we are at now is the stage in
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: which I believe the Iran regime will be defeated and
• 25:59
  Speaker 10: destroy But I remember the period before the Berlin Wall
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: came down, and I was living in London then it
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: was there during the eighties, and you had the Pope
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: saying this and that, you had left Valencia in Poland.
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: You had Margaret Thatcher being accused of being a warmonger.
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: You had the Greenham common Women, you had Ronald Reagan
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: wandering around to the Berlin Wall, and people saying, Oh,
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: he's just you know, shouting in the wind, and so on,
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: and then one day it happened. And when it happened,
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: it wasn't as everyone had predicted, and it wasn't on
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: the timetable that everyone had predicted. But literally, the war
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: was up until the wall was no longer up, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: when it fell, it came crashing down. I believe the
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: same in Iran.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: It is a weak regime.
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: It has weakened militarily, it has weakened religiously, it has.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Lost it's much.
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: People will eventually rise, but it needs the right circumstances
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: and needs the American assistance and his assistance and what
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: other assistance who knows.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Look, look I hope, I mean tyrannies always fall in
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the end. I've got that. How many people die in
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the meantime as the issue. But on that point in fact,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: there was a protest outside the hanging of I think
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it was on the weekend, it might have been two
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: days ago, a demonstration against Iran hanging two pro democracy
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: protesters and shots were fired to chase them all away.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: But that people still dared to do that tells me
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: something A little hopeful. Rowan I've actually had a time,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and I want to quickly ask you Victoria's being divided
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and weakened by socialist left government. You know that talking
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: about cultural rotten weakness. I should point out here now
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: it has a new leader who not from the socialist
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: left side of things. I'm a new man, a new
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: labor appointed premier, a new start, and not Dan Andrews.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Now should point out that the new premiere is the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: one pictured on the left, just in case there was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: any confusion here. Do you have do you have high
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: hopes for him?
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: I think that I think you've answered my question for me.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Andrews question. Give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: He obviously has his priorities for the future of Victoria.
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: I'm constantly baffled by your state, Andrew.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: It bewilders me when I go there to visit.
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: I do enjoy going there to visit, you know, stepping
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: over the homeless people in the streets, and the built
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: and the little that hasn't been cleaned up for five years.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I still enjoy it.
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: And once you paid for a restaurant, you take out
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: a second mortgage to order desserve.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: But I do enjoy I got worse than that. I
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: have worse mate. I had to go. I to go
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: to a hospital to day, but for this or that,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: but dodging the potholes there and back. Honestly, your life
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: is in your hands. One pothole I swear would have
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: been about a meter long and half a meter wide.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Still there, roads like out of the Third World. Haven't
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: seen anything like it since I visited India. I mean unbelievable. Rondine,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time talk about a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: state and decline. It's absolutely disgraceful what the labor is
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: under Victoria. After the break speaking of labor, a former
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: labor minister now publishes a new book warning against the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: new Australian apartheid and have something to say on the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: strange confrontation yesterday with the race bating Senator Lydia Thorpe
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: on some topics. Truth is now dead on the ABC
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: and one topic in particular, it's dead on its aboriginal issues,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and especially Bruce Pasco, who the AB He has again
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: been promoting his aboriginal in the past two months, when
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: it now should be beyond argument that Pasco is a
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: fake Aboriginal. He professional genealogist at Darkimu exposed dot Org
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: says one hundred percent of British ancestry and even many
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: of his own relatives. He admits no longer by his story,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: but listen to this latest full court press by the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: ABC is says thing he is still Aboriginal.
• 30:26
  Speaker 11: So I started off this week with Bruce Pasco, who
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: is an Aboriginal writer and farmer who lives on Ewan Country.
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: Natasha Mitchell joining you from the Melbourne Planetarium, a science
• 30:40
  Speaker 11: works in nam Melbourne on Bannarong Country today at a
• 30:43
  Speaker 11: Melbourne Writers Festival event with award winning author of dark Emu,
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: poet and Aboriginal farmer Bruce Pasco.
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: Ewen and Bunerong and Tasmanian Man. Bruce Pasco is most
• 30:54
  Speaker 12: well known as an award winning author and Aboriginal language researcher,
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: but to his four grandkids, he's just Papa. He loves
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: spending time together on the farm. He sees his role
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: as helping them grow into conscientious citizens.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: My name is Bruce Pasco.
• 31:08
  Speaker 13: Rama, you're and Borlong Tasmanian man, and I'm the grandfather
• 31:13
  Speaker 13: to four grandchildren.
• 31:14
  Speaker 14: I've had the great joy of working with uncle Bruce
• 31:17
  Speaker 14: and really understanding his work, of being able to go
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: to his farm and really enjoy the native food sector
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: that still exists in Australia today.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: It's stunning. They live in an alternative universe. And the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: ABC has been justice, you know, over there, silent about
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the dangers of the new apartheid that we've seen brought in.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: So I doubt here's a tip. I doubt it. We'll
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: be covering a new book of essays Australian Apartheid the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Aboriginalization of Australia. And what's interesting is one of its
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: editors is former Federal Labor Minister Gary Jones. I spoke
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: to him earlier. Gary, John's always great to see you, jiphul.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Why is the ABC so determined to sell Bruce Pasco
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: as aboriginal?
• 32:08
  Speaker 13: In some ways it's a mystery, but in other ways
• 32:11
  Speaker 13: they really don't like this country, they don't like its history,
• 32:16
  Speaker 13: and it's another institution which has been overcome by, you know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: those who would seek.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: To do ill.
• 32:27
  Speaker 15: Well.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I just wonder whether it's such as this theory that
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Aboriginals being farmers and said of hunter gatherers as if
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: that's shameful, but whether it's the kind of Aboriginal will
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: be safe with a left wing guy who's actually white.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: You know, they feel much more comfortable that way. I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: don't know what it is. It's an utter mystery to me.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But to your latest book, let me tell you already
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Gary News Break, the ABC will not have you on
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: to review it. You've called it Australian aparthid. It's a
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: collection of essays. What is the aim of it?
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: The key thing is to wake people up to say, look,
• 33:07
  Speaker 13: Aboriginal people, of course have a place as citizens in Australia,
• 33:11
  Speaker 13: and they can celebrate their way of life, the culture
• 33:15
  Speaker 13: all they like, but they are not to separate us.
• 33:18
  Speaker 13: They're not to say that they're somehow more important to us.
• 33:21
  Speaker 13: Can I give you a little illustration. Yesterday I sat
• 33:24
  Speaker 13: in the back of an All Parliamentary Committee on Racism
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: which is doing the rounds. They berated a doctor Peter Bellen,
• 33:33
  Speaker 13: a fellow who flew up from Adelaide to Brisbane, and
• 33:37
  Speaker 13: because he simply said, my view about racism is that
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: people should be treated with equal dignity. Now, Senator Lydia
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: Thoughpe got stuck into Eman asked him whether he would
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: acknowledge that he was sitting on stolen ground and would
• 33:51
  Speaker 13: he pay the rent and so on and so forth,
• 33:53
  Speaker 13: and then Senator Yanna Stewart, who's a labor senator from Victoria.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Stopped the meeting.
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: They wouldn't take any more questions and answers from this fellow.
• 34:02
  Speaker 13: They excluded him from the room, and then they had
• 34:06
  Speaker 13: some people throw him out of the building. So these
• 34:10
  Speaker 13: sort of neo Aboriginal people are not playing fairly. They're
• 34:15
  Speaker 13: not saying we respect free speech, They're.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Doing anything but it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 13: And they just used parliamentary power to exclude a man
• 34:23
  Speaker 13: who simply wanted to argue that we should all be
• 34:26
  Speaker 13: afforded equal dignity.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Well, Peter Balen's actually been in contact with me too,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: is a former academic, and he was at that, as
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you say, at that Joint Parliamentary Commission on Racism against Aborigines.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I find that he probably offended. Lydia Thorpe, who's a
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: race beata. I think, you know, she's made a career
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: on stressing this differences Aborigines like her are different, even
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: though seven of her eight great grandparents were white. I mean, really,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: it's this kind of yeah, you know, insistence on tiny
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: little distinctions that drives me nuts. I thought, we're all
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you know, we all bled red, whatever the skin color was,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and whatever heritage we claim to have.
• 35:16
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I call them neo Aboriginal. I mean it's a
• 35:19
  Speaker 13: sort of a confected front. They have a very very
• 35:24
  Speaker 13: distant heritage that should count for nothing. If they want
• 35:28
  Speaker 13: to respect it, then that's fine. But they shouldn't stop
• 35:32
  Speaker 13: people from discussing what it is to be an Aboriginal,
• 35:36
  Speaker 13: what average people do, any benefits they should receive. That's
• 35:40
  Speaker 13: a discussion that should be for all of us, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 13: the book stresses that, for goodness sake, can we just
• 35:46
  Speaker 13: talk to Aboriginal people as we used to, rather than
• 35:49
  Speaker 13: now being afeared of saying the wrong thing or misidentify
• 35:54
  Speaker 13: or causing offense.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 35:57
  Speaker 13: Senator Stewart, in questioning the Facebook people yesterday, wanted Aboriginal
• 36:04
  Speaker 13: people to make decisions about what could be placed on Facebook.
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: They wanted Aboriginal people saying they would be offended if
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: someone said that we should have one flag or shouldn't
• 36:14
  Speaker 13: have a welcomed the country. She one of those things
• 36:16
  Speaker 13: taken down, even though she admitted they weren't racist as such,
• 36:20
  Speaker 13: she said it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Was hurtful to their people.
• 36:23
  Speaker 13: Well, that's just nonsense, and it's stopping us from treating
• 36:27
  Speaker 13: Aboriginal people as equal citizens.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: To people of Dutch background. Again they're saying, and what
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: goes up or not? I mean, the whole thing is
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to me utterly bizarre. But to your book Australian Apartheid,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: there is actually a political agenda here. It's not just
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: about hurt feelings. I think we have seen moves through
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a sort of Aboriginal apartheid. People get very upset. Some
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: people on the left get very upset when I use
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the word apartheid. Is it too hard a word?
• 37:00
  Speaker 13: No?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 37:01
  Speaker 13: It separates us and gives certain rights to some groups
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: on the basis of race and denis rights to others
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: on the basis of race.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: So doctor Peter Ballen was denied.
• 37:11
  Speaker 13: The right of free speech, he spoke very properly, very
• 37:14
  Speaker 13: decently by neo Aboriginal.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: People who stopped him and then threw him out.
• 37:21
  Speaker 13: That's apartheid, yeah, but I think it goes far beyond that.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Look, we had the attempt at the Voice of Course,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: which was an Aboriginal only advisory Parliament, an attempt to
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: institute that we do have Aboriginal only advisory parliaments in
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Victoria and in South Australia. We also have average only
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: programs and scholarships positions in universities. On it goes Aboriginal
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: only courts of courts only for Aboriginal defendants. This strikes
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: me as a partner, and I wonder where it will
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: lead to.
• 38:03
  Speaker 13: Gary Well, it will lead to the lives of Aboriginal
• 38:10
  Speaker 13: children being destroyed. So those Aboriginal people who are integrated,
• 38:15
  Speaker 13: doing well, got a job, speak, read, write English, they're
• 38:19
  Speaker 13: doing okay. In fact, there's an elite who are doing
• 38:22
  Speaker 13: extremely well, you know, the vice Chancellor's Indigenous at universities, senators,
• 38:27
  Speaker 13: members the rest. But those poor kids stuck out in
• 38:30
  Speaker 13: remote communities who barely read, write, speak English, have no prospects.
• 38:35
  Speaker 13: There may be a made up job for them at
• 38:37
  Speaker 13: some time in the future that a government deems to
• 38:42
  Speaker 13: sort of supply them. There is no future for those kids.
• 38:45
  Speaker 13: So the real harm is not you and I who've
• 38:48
  Speaker 13: done well in society. It's to Aboriginal children who will
• 38:52
  Speaker 13: never get a job and probably never escape those communities.
• 38:56
  Speaker 13: They need to get out and have a life. And
• 38:59
  Speaker 13: it's Aboriginal leader that are stopping them from doing it,
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: and I call that apartheid.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Now, Gary, who else is including your book of essays?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: And where can people buy it? Well?
• 39:15
  Speaker 13: For instance, Ian Callanan, former High Court justice, has written
• 39:20
  Speaker 13: a wonderful essay with a criticizing Marbo the Marbo decision,
• 39:25
  Speaker 13: for instance, and you can buy it through a quadrant.
• 39:28
  Speaker 13: Just go online to quadrant and it'll be out within days.
• 39:33
  Speaker 13: And please read it and tell others. I certainly will
• 39:38
  Speaker 13: do that.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: And if you could tell us if the ABC deigns
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: to have you on to discuss the contents, Gary Johns,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your tone. Thank you well
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: after the break the Albinizi Governments communication minister today shows
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: what hypocrites labor feminists are refusing to condemn the ABC
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: showing a film fantasizing about sodomizing a conservative woman. Unbelievable.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Watch this, Minister Wriggle at a press conference today. So
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: where are those labor feminists now that the ABC screens
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: of video fantasizing about sodomizing mining billionaire Gena Reinhart, a conservative.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I'll showed you that ABC film when I broke the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: story of the scandal.
• 40:28
  Speaker 16: Last week, because when the revolution comes, will you hide
• 40:33
  Speaker 16: under your bed or will you know exactly how to
• 40:37
  Speaker 16: shove a stick right off Gena Reinhart's bothole, starring it around,
• 40:43
  Speaker 16: nixing her gots up nice and smooth, making her into
• 40:47
  Speaker 16: one big sausage role to make something out of nothing.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: The ABC management had the goal to defend that grotesque
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: attackers editorially justified, claiming it was satirical. Well today, after
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: mounting pressure, the ABC has said it will ask it's
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: supposedly independent omudsman for a second opinion. Yet even today
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  Speaker 1: Anika Wells, the Aberdezi Governments Communications Minister, refused to call
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  Speaker 1: on the ABC to apologize. Struggled even to criticize that
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  Speaker 1: vile abuse of Ryan out when quized by our own
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  Speaker 1: Harry Clark.
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  Speaker 15: Uh.
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  Speaker 17: Look, my personal view is it's unacceptable. I like any Australian,
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  Speaker 17: there's stuff I see on TV that I don't agree with.
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  Speaker 17: As the Minister of Communications, I respect the editorial independence
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  Speaker 17: of the ABC, but I understand they have now referred
• 41:39
  Speaker 17: it to the Ombudsman. I think that was the right
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  Speaker 17: thing to do.
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  Speaker 18: But the general arts calling for an apology. Do you
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  Speaker 18: think it's something that's that they should be apologizing for
• 41:47
  Speaker 18: while also referring to the ombodsman.
• 41:50
  Speaker 17: Look as the Minister of Communications, like as the Minister
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  Speaker 17: of Sport. To be honest, if I spend all my
• 41:55
  Speaker 17: time weighing in day to day on the scandals and
• 41:58
  Speaker 17: outrageous valid or or not in both sport and Communications,
• 42:02
  Speaker 17: I wouldn't have time to do anything substantive.
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  Speaker 18: Is it not hypocritical for Labor figures to come out
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  Speaker 18: and condemn that ditch the witch campaign against Juliu Gillard
• 42:10
  Speaker 18: and dissenter Allen but not actively be condemning this sort
• 42:15
  Speaker 18: of content towards Diana Rehinhardt the ABC.
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  Speaker 17: A nuance here is the Minister of Communications, is that I,
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  Speaker 17: as the Labor Minister of Communications, respect the editorial independence
• 42:24
  Speaker 17: of the ABC.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Joining me a gem and too Nini Commnis and Communications
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  Speaker 1: becauseulting the car and the dress commentator and president of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the West Australian Liberals.
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  Speaker 15: Jemmy, your response, well, this is just another example of
• 42:39
  Speaker 15: the ABC's sorry, well it is the ABC, but the
• 42:42
  Speaker 15: Australian Labor Party's problem with women. If you are the
• 42:46
  Speaker 15: wrong kind of woman, you're the wrong kind of woman.
• 42:49
  Speaker 15: If you're Fiona Brown, may I say you're the wrong
• 42:53
  Speaker 15: kind of woman. If you're Gina rehin Hardt. Let's just
• 42:55
  Speaker 15: imagine Andrew that that poor excuse for whatever it was
• 42:59
  Speaker 15: that our taxpayers money, you know, went towards broadcasting, was
• 43:04
  Speaker 15: speaking about a woman on the political left, a woman
• 43:06
  Speaker 15: in the Labor Party. It wouldn't get even if it
• 43:08
  Speaker 15: wouldn't have even gotten approved. The thing that always gets
• 43:11
  Speaker 15: me about the Australian Labor Party is they say, you know,
• 43:13
  Speaker 15: the coalition has got a problem with women. Nothing could
• 43:15
  Speaker 15: be further from the truth. If that is just the
• 43:18
  Speaker 15: ultimate projection, Anika Wells has just ducked and weaved with
• 43:24
  Speaker 15: an exceptional amount of sporting prowess. It is not leadership
• 43:28
  Speaker 15: to hide behind the objectivity of the ABAC. The ABC
• 43:31
  Speaker 15: is not objective and it's certainly not independent.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: It's a joke.
• 43:34
  Speaker 15: Australians know it's a joke. And if you are the
• 43:36
  Speaker 15: wrong kind of woman, the Australian Labor Party and this
• 43:40
  Speaker 15: government will throw you under a bus quicker than you
• 43:43
  Speaker 15: can light a cigy on a cold day.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Honestly, Caroline, you have no trouble guessing what the reaction
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: from the Labor Party and the Albani's A government would
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: be had that attack been made on Julia Gillard, for instance,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: or Governor General Sam Muston, also on the left. Oh
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: my god, the heavens would thunder to their rage. I mean,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. How can it not be unacceptable for that
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: to be said of Gina Ronhert.
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  Speaker 19: Well, I remember when there was a time that it
• 44:17
  Speaker 19: wasn't acceptable for Tony Abbott to look at his watch
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  Speaker 19: without it being sexist.
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  Speaker 20: So and that's not even that's not even saying any words.
• 44:27
  Speaker 19: But we know this, But we know this, Andrew. And
• 44:32
  Speaker 19: the thing is, you do not build credibility by trying
• 44:36
  Speaker 19: to cave at your answer, by hiding behind your ministerial position.
• 44:42
  Speaker 19: Either something like this passes the pub test for want
• 44:45
  Speaker 19: of a better phrase, or it doesn't. And people don't
• 44:49
  Speaker 19: really care whether you're the average joe in the street,
• 44:53
  Speaker 19: or you're the communications minister, or you're the sports minister
• 44:56
  Speaker 19: or you know, you know, you're leading alto a in
• 45:01
  Speaker 19: a opera.
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  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 20: It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 19: It's either acceptable or it's not acceptable. Andrew, and this
• 45:10
  Speaker 19: absolutely wouldn't fly any day of the week if it
• 45:12
  Speaker 19: was a woman of the left light. Just imagine, for
• 45:16
  Speaker 19: a second, Andrew, if it was said about Louise Milligan, like, just.
• 45:22
  Speaker 20: For a moment, hold that idea in and just think
• 45:27
  Speaker 20: about the four Corners series that would follow if something
• 45:32
  Speaker 20: like that was said about Louise Milligan or said about
• 45:35
  Speaker 20: Laura I mean, it would just be off the charts outrage.
• 45:40
  Speaker 19: And the fact of the matter is what was said
• 45:42
  Speaker 19: was disgusting. It was objectively disgusting, doesn't matter who you
• 45:47
  Speaker 19: are and what position you held.
• 45:48
  Speaker 15: It was also just like such a B grade TV
• 45:52
  Speaker 15: like who commissions that?
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: Terrible? Who commissioned that?
• 45:55
  Speaker 15: Which commissioning editor on two hundred grand a year at
• 45:58
  Speaker 15: Ultimo goes, yeah, that's just good talent, Like stop the
• 46:01
  Speaker 15: day drink ERGI it stop.
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: These people don't live in the real world.
• 46:06
  Speaker 15: Nobody looks at that and thinks it's funny. It's not funny.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Well, we mentioned Julia Gill talking about selective outrage. Gillard,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: she has not defended Gina royanhard, but she did post
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: something a claim, a claim that Jacinta Allen, who's quit
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: as Victoria's premier yesterday, was a victim of herself of
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: wicked sexism. In writing there's no well, honestly, it always whenever,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: whenever a woman of the left fails, it's always because
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: of sexism. Of course, vile sexism. Julia Gillard called it
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and said that, you know, just in her been courageous
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: calling that. I don't recall Alan being the victim of
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: any vile sexism other than maybe if you want to
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: call it vile. A mobile billboard this month with a
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: poster Ditch the Witch, and yet nothing from Labor about
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: this far slurb by National Broadcasting runa Jimmy, I mean.
• 47:03
  Speaker 15: Jacina Allen is the victim of nothing but her own incompetence,
• 47:06
  Speaker 15: and you could argue that the entire state of Victoria,
• 47:09
  Speaker 15: and by extension, the rest of us, are victims of
• 47:11
  Speaker 15: her incompetence. The fact that the fact this is the thing,
• 47:15
  Speaker 15: like Caroline said, these people don't actually have a modicum
• 47:19
  Speaker 15: of self awareness, because people in the real world know
• 47:22
  Speaker 15: what sexism is, and it isn't sexism is not the
• 47:26
  Speaker 15: worst premiere in recent years, arguably since Joan Kerner being
• 47:32
  Speaker 15: bulleted by her own party in a desperate act of
• 47:36
  Speaker 15: attempted survival three months before an electoral wipeout. That's not sexism,
• 47:41
  Speaker 15: that's the political.
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: Left in action.
• 47:43
  Speaker 15: They will eat their young, and it is it is
• 47:46
  Speaker 15: offensive to those of us who've actually been on the
• 47:48
  Speaker 15: receiving end of sexism, ie being paid fifty percent of
• 47:51
  Speaker 15: the nearest bloke doing the same job. It's not sexism,
• 47:54
  Speaker 15: she's just a rubbish, rubbish Premier.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Carolin Darussa the twenty seconds over left.
• 48:02
  Speaker 19: But it is kind of sexism because affirmative action is sexism.
• 48:06
  Speaker 19: And that's the only reason she got the job in
• 48:08
  Speaker 19: the first place, because I tell you what, you can
• 48:10
  Speaker 19: put a dush and in a ground greyhound race and
• 48:13
  Speaker 19: everyone knows it's never going to win. She was never
• 48:17
  Speaker 19: up to the job. She shouldn't have been put there
• 48:19
  Speaker 19: in the first place. She was woeful and she's been
• 48:21
  Speaker 19: shown the door. Shame on the Victorian Labor Party.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Oh all this sexism from two lovely women who normally
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: are just straight as a day. I mean, how can
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: you criticize Saint just center, She's already ascending to heaven,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: this poor woman. Geim and Tonini current Russa. Thank you
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: very much to you both. That's it from me. Sherry
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Marxson up next. Goodnight,