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7/31/26: Trump Approval Worse Than J6, DSA vs Dems War, Haley Stevens Crashes Out, GOP Alleged Wife Beater · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, It's Friday, July thirty first, welcome to your
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Speaker 3: Breaking Points Friday show. We got Crystal, we got Emily,
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Speaker 3: and we've got a big show today. We're looking at
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Speaker 3: Trump approval ratings. How popular is our president? We have
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Speaker 3: some answers towards that, and how popular is the DSA
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Speaker 3: because there's some new polling showing that a third of
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Speaker 3: Democratic voters are now identifying or at least favorable of
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Speaker 3: democratic socialism. Done Dundune and we've got Michigan reporter Sam
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Speaker 3: Robinson going to join us at the ten AM hour
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Speaker 3: to talk about updates with the race between Abdul and
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Speaker 3: Haley Stevens. The racism meter is getting turned up to eleven,
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Speaker 3: maybe twelve against Stevens, against Hailey Stevens, against white racism.
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Speaker 3: And so we'll get into all that and more with
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Speaker 3: Sam Robinson and then potentially we need that's right, that's
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Speaker 3: right breaking points so white and then Max Miller. There's
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Speaker 3: some dust ups going there. Burna Morito's daughter Emily Marino
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Speaker 3: just filed a lawsuit restraining order against mac Miller for abuse.
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Speaker 3: That's representative Max Miller. And we'll get all into that
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Speaker 3: and more here on Breaking Points Fridays. But Crystal, we
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Speaker 3: were talking about how we all assume that Trump is unpopular,
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Speaker 3: but just how unpopular is. Well, we've got some new
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Speaker 3: polling that I'll pull up right here. Why don't you
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Speaker 3: read it off for us?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, you know, we like to look at a
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Speaker 2: number of polls together rather than just one, because one
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Speaker 2: can be an outlier. But this week we had three
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Speaker 2: high quality polls come out that all have him not
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Speaker 2: just in the thirties, in the low thirties. So CNN
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Speaker 2: has his approval at thirty four percent. AP has it
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Speaker 2: at thirty three percent. Quinnipiec has it at thirty two percent.
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Speaker 2: His overall disapproval rating has now I think this is
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Speaker 2: in the RCP average has now topped sixty percent. He's
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Speaker 2: been flirting with that for a while. Now he's reached
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Speaker 2: this rather dismal milestone. And I was looking back just
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Speaker 2: historically for some comparisons here, and you know, everybody thinks
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Speaker 2: about George W. Bush and how unpopular he was after
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Speaker 2: people soured on the Iraq War. The real turning point
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Speaker 2: for him with his approval rating was his abysmal handling
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Speaker 2: of Katrina and how horrifying that was after his approval
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Speaker 2: rating sunk to the high thirties. So in terms of
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Speaker 2: Trump himself, if you go back to the lowest ratings
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Speaker 2: from the first term, which came right after January sixth,
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Speaker 2: this is right in line or even a little bit
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Speaker 2: lower than where he was at this point. So we've
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Speaker 2: been always been accustomed to Trump being very divisive, and
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Speaker 2: for most of his political career he has been underwater
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Speaker 2: in terms of his approval rating. But I think it's
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Speaker 2: worth noting that we are truly reaching new lows here.
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Speaker 2: As you know, and I think the Iran War is
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Speaker 2: really a big part of what is pushing him to
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Speaker 2: this historically low level, not only because people opposed the war,
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Speaker 2: but because they opposed the impacts the war is having
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Speaker 2: on their bank accounts day in and day out. There
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Speaker 2: actually was a period Emily where his approval rating ticks
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Speaker 2: back up a little bit, and it was right during
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Speaker 2: the time period after he'd signed the MoU where there
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Speaker 2: was a sense of like, Okay, he's going to wrap
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Speaker 2: this up. Okay, we're moving forward. The gas prices are
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Speaker 2: going back down. And then when we went back to war,
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Speaker 2: guess what the approval rating cratered to new lows that
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Speaker 2: we're seeing from him today.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's actually important to pause on these
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Speaker 4: numbers because we have become numb to Trump being just
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Speaker 4: a really polarizing politician. But if you go back to
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, the time between that election and when
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Speaker 4: he took office, his numbers were for a very polarized
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Speaker 4: country and a very polarizing figure actually pretty high, and he.
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Speaker 2: For him, it was record high. He was a little bit,
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Speaker 2: you know, a little bit net favorable, and that was
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Speaker 2: really a first for him, for his political career.
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Speaker 4: Right and Republicans felt because of that they had the
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Speaker 4: wind at their back that they had just made like
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Speaker 4: generational momentum, inroads with young voters, in roads with black
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Speaker 4: and Hispanic voters. Some of those might be sticky ish,
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Speaker 4: but the polling isn't showing that at all. As of
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Speaker 4: right now. He's lost in roads with just about all
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Speaker 4: of the people he made in roads with. And for me,
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Speaker 4: it's just like, what's the best way to put it?
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Speaker 4: Amusing almost to go back to that time period because
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Speaker 4: on the right people were so confident and convinced that
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Speaker 4: this was a sea change in American politics, And when
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Speaker 4: you look at the numbers now, there's no way, there's
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Speaker 4: no way that the energy and the euphoria they felt
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Speaker 4: right there was durable, because it's gone like it was
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Speaker 4: it ever durable? Open question? But with the Iran War,
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Speaker 4: it's the nail on the coffin of whether that was
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Speaker 4: actually ever going to mark a real sea change.
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Speaker 3: And we don't just have numbers, but we also have words.
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Speaker 3: Now Navigator did a word cloud pull here for people
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Speaker 3: who voted for Trump and are now feeling disappointed in
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Speaker 3: that now. Some of the words up here the biggest
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Speaker 3: one war promises, economy, Iran, and then some smaller ones
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Speaker 3: kind of outside the inner circle. We got a tiny
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Speaker 3: little ice here at the bottom middle class, even a
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Speaker 3: racism in the bottom left. Wow, we got three sixty
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Speaker 3: falling apart crime very interesting as well. And then something
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Speaker 3: in the bottom right here it says buddies. I don't
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Speaker 3: know what buddies refers to.
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Speaker 4: Probably oh yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's what it is, giving like favors to his buddies.
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Speaker 2: That's what I oh, okay, Like I thought we were buddies.
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Speaker 4: But if you look at the WA crowd promises, economy
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Speaker 4: and war all go together. They all go together because
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Speaker 4: with a And this is something that I think applies
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Speaker 4: to populist type candidates across the board. If you are saying,
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Speaker 4: don't trust the other people, they are lying to you,
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Speaker 4: which is what Trump did in every single election. And
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Speaker 4: that is where some people who had lost shaith in
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Speaker 4: our institutions, it is basically that record lows across the
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Speaker 4: board institutional trust. They say, all right, well, I I'm
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Speaker 4: used to take a bet on this guy who's telling
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Speaker 4: me everybody else is lying to me. He's correct about that,
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Speaker 4: so maybe he's correct generally, and when you then say
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Speaker 4: I'm going to be different, and inflation is like, it's worse.
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Speaker 4: It was worse the last couple of months than it
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Speaker 4: was when he took office because it had been coming
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Speaker 4: down over the last year of the Biden administration, and
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Speaker 4: then obviously gas prices, and then obviously the fact that
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Speaker 4: we're now around twenty dead Americans in Iran and in
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Speaker 4: another stalemate right now. At least, that's a disaster for
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Speaker 4: somebody who said over and over agoin on the campaign
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Speaker 4: trail for ten years basically that he was not going
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Speaker 4: to be a George W. Bush, that he was not
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Speaker 4: going to do dumb wars. He said he was not
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Speaker 4: going to do new wars. So all of that is
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Speaker 4: just blowing up in his face. Affordability that he was
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Speaker 4: going to take down inflation. I mean, it's just a
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Speaker 4: legendary turnabout.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think there's been a lot going on with the
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Speaker 2: rise of Trump and the return of Trump and the
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Speaker 2: defeat of establishment Democrats. I think there are a lot
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Speaker 2: of different factors that play into that. But you could
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Speaker 2: be forget for looking at the entire Trump political trajectory
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Speaker 2: and saying this was just about the economy. You know,
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Speaker 2: people coming out of the Barack Obama era post Great Recession,
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Speaker 2: feeling that the gains are not flowing evenly into people,
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Speaker 2: that they're being left behind, They're struggling. You've got the
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Speaker 2: legacy of all of the blue collar work and factories
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Speaker 2: going away. Trump comes in as this brash businessman, and
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Speaker 2: Americans just to tend to assume that, oh, he's a billionaire,
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Speaker 2: so he must know what he's doing. He's probably gonna
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Speaker 2: be good for the economy. And then lo and behold.
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Speaker 2: During his first term in office, the economy it was
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Speaker 2: pretty good. So you know, in spite of whatever else
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Speaker 2: was going on that people may not have loved. They're like,
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Speaker 2: you know what, but I was doing pretty well. Then
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Speaker 2: you have COVID, which comes in at the end of
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Speaker 2: Trump's term. Then you have, you know, the Biden era,
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Speaker 2: where you've got the hangover from COVID, the hangover from
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Speaker 2: the lockdowns, all the supply chain disruptions. Inflation comes in
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Speaker 2: and it's not just Biden slash Harris that loses that election.
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Speaker 2: If you look around the world, incumbents were tossed out
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Speaker 2: in almost every nation in the entire world, either incumbent
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Speaker 2: or the incumbent party simply because of high inflation. And
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Speaker 2: people looked back at the first term and they were like,
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Speaker 2: you know, I was doing better then, so maybe if
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Speaker 2: we bring this guy back, maybe he can recreate what
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Speaker 2: I was feeling during that time period, and not that
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Speaker 2: it was amazing, but it's better than what we're dealing
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Speaker 2: with now. So he comes in and people thought, again, Okay,
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Speaker 2: he's a businessman, he's going to figure this out, and
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Speaker 2: instead we just get own goal after own goal. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's the tariffs, which immediately contribute to inflation and create
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Speaker 2: problems for the economy. It's it's doge, which ends up
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Speaker 2: doing nothing actually to shrink the deficit and also destroys
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Speaker 2: a lot of jobs in the process. And then, of
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Speaker 2: course the war is the final straw here where you know,
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Speaker 2: it's the war which people oppose and the amount of
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Speaker 2: money that's being spent on that and the risk and
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Speaker 2: all of that that comes with it, but it's also
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Speaker 2: the way the war directly impacts them where you can't
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Speaker 2: blame someone else. This is all you're doing. When I'm
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Speaker 2: going to the gas pump and I'm paying four bucks
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Speaker 2: a gallon or more than that, that is directly because
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Speaker 2: of the choices that you make. And then Trump has
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Speaker 2: the audacity to come out and say, I don't think
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Speaker 2: about American's financial situation at all. That's not a factor
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Speaker 2: for me. So you know, if you just look at
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Speaker 2: it through that lens, you can explain a lot of
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Speaker 2: Trump's initial rise in politics, his return, and now how
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Speaker 2: he's fallen off so hard because people do see it
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Speaker 2: as a really fundamental broken promise and it's not something
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Speaker 2: you can bullshit them on because they have a personal sense,
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Speaker 2: a personal reality that they're dealing with when it comes
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Speaker 2: to the economy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's pretty true.
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Speaker 3: And this is before any sort of potential ground troop invasion,
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Speaker 3: collapse of the full collapse of the gas economy, Like
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Speaker 3: this is before all that. So Trump again, maybe maybe
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Speaker 3: posting some unseen numbers very soon. I did want to
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Speaker 3: flag one word that is specifically mysteriously missing on this cloud,
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Speaker 3: and that's Epstein is not on this list at all.
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Speaker 3: And it's a warboys, right, But I got to say,
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Speaker 3: if it's all about war and there's no Epstein this cloud,
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Speaker 3: then I guess mission accomplished for for Trumph. I mean
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Speaker 3: this isn't crazy. I mean, one of the most blatant,
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Speaker 3: like on its face, clumsy, stupid cover ups of all time,
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Speaker 3: and it's kind of gone washed away with the news
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Speaker 3: of this disastrous war, So sir, mission accomplished.
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Speaker 2: I would argue that that may fall under those promises,
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Speaker 2: because I do think that there's a sense in which
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Speaker 2: the betrayal on Epstein really felt like a It was
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Speaker 2: very brand damaging to Trump when it turned out like, oh,
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Speaker 2: you actually aren't going to release these files, you aren't
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Speaker 2: going to hold the pedophile cabol accountable, and huh, your
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Speaker 2: name is all over these files more than almost any
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Speaker 2: other person. So you know, it's always been the case
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Speaker 2: that when polsters ask people like, oh, what's your top issue,
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Speaker 2: Epstein doesn't rank. But we know that how sort of
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Speaker 2: culturally and in terms of vibe and in terms of
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Speaker 2: damaging Trump's brand and people's sense of whether he's delivering
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Speaker 2: for them or not. I think that Epstein has been
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Speaker 2: really damaging, but no doubt about it been pushed down
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Speaker 2: to the headlines as we all look at you know,
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Speaker 2: what's the where's the strategic petroleum reserved? Today? How many
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Speaker 2: ships are going through the straight offore moves, et cetera.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it gets to the it gets to the question
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Speaker 4: of like if if everybody else is if you're correctly
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Speaker 4: telling me, everybody else is lying, and everybody else is corrupt,
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Speaker 4: and you come in and then you are just very
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Speaker 4: flamboyantly lying and corrupt that when it touches people's to
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Speaker 4: Crystal's point, people's kitchen table questions, then it can explode.
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Speaker 4: And I feel like that's why promises is probably one
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Speaker 4: of the bigger.
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Speaker 3: Words promises made, promises TBD. So that's going to end
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Speaker 3: that polling segment. But we have some other polling going
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Speaker 3: on here that Emily had to flag our sort of
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Speaker 3: breaking points. Resident DSA tracker, no one is tracking the
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Speaker 3: popularity of the DSA more than Emily Dashinski. This CNN
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Speaker 3: poll says a third of Democrats now identify as Democratic socialists.
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Speaker 3: About a third of Democrats and Democratic lineing adults identify
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Speaker 3: as a Democratic socialist, accorded to a new CNN poll,
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Speaker 3: there's some of the party's staunches supporters, but many are
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Speaker 3: also raring for a party overhaul at a time when
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Speaker 3: dem Socialists are seeing new momentum building on New York
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Speaker 3: City mayor's or mom Donnie's victory over Andrew Cuomo last year.
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Speaker 3: Here's just some of the numbers I want you guys
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Speaker 3: to react to. It does tend to be younger fifty
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Speaker 3: nine percent or younger, are less likely to have a
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Speaker 3: college degree, are more likely to say they are extremely
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Speaker 3: motivated to vote this year, and are more positive towards
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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. They are more likely to hold favorable
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Speaker 3: views of the Democratic Party and its congressional leaders, and
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Speaker 3: more likely to have negative views of the Republican Party
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Speaker 3: and its congressional leaders. Now, that last one, to me
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Speaker 3: kind of raises some questions on how they asked that question.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's like who do you if you had to
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Speaker 3: choose one kind of deal? But what do we make
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Speaker 3: of this?
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's really important to political questions looking
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Speaker 4: at that bulletpoint about being more energized to vote this year.
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Speaker 4: We obviously had Francesca hang On this week, and there
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Speaker 4: are Wisconsin Republicans looking at the poll that Crystal actually
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Speaker 4: asked Francesca hung about showing she would be behind Tom
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Speaker 4: tiffany where. I think it was Bendela, Barnes and Crow
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Speaker 4: would have been closer with Tom Tiffany in the I
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Speaker 4: think it was a Marquette pole and it was close.
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Speaker 4: But that's this question now for Republicans Wisconsin is okay.
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Speaker 4: So are they better off with Francesca Hang as the nominee,
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Speaker 4: which she is almost certain to be at the point
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Speaker 4: than they would be with one of the more centrist candidates.
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Speaker 4: And this number should give them some serious fear that
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Speaker 4: if they are trying to boost Francesca Hong right now,
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Speaker 4: and there's some evidence that Republicans are because they believe
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Speaker 4: they'd be better off with Francesca Hong, they may be
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Speaker 4: very wrong. I would still give Tom Tiffany the edge
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Speaker 4: in that race. But when you're looking at these numbers
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Speaker 4: of people who are specifically identifying as Democrat socialists democratic
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Speaker 4: socialists saying that they are more energized to vote, what
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Speaker 4: that could look like is Bernie surprising Hillary Clinton in
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Speaker 4: some of those primary victories. But I'm talking about that
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Speaker 4: on a turnout level. Yeah, I'm talking about that though,
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Speaker 4: on a turnout level in November, when you have this
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Speaker 4: like energized grassroots of Democrats that aren't actually disillusioned, but
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Speaker 4: because a bunch of money comes in to back Francesca
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Speaker 4: Hong Honk gets sort of mom donnimentum and ends up
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Speaker 4: just becoming a sort of zoron on a state level,
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Speaker 4: on a gubernatorial level. That is, those are the numbers
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Speaker 4: showing Democratic Socialists are more energized to vote than other Democrats.
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Speaker 4: Those are the numbers that should concern Republicans or well, yeah,
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Speaker 4: particularly Republicans, but also modern Democrats who think like the
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Speaker 4: DSA is a blip.
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Speaker 2: The thing that people who have not and I mean
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Speaker 2: democratic leadership specifically have not recognized about the democratic base
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Speaker 2: is that whether or not they specifically identify as Democratic
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Speaker 2: socialists or not, they agree on policy with the Democratic
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Speaker 2: socialists and what that has actually long been the case,
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Speaker 2: Like back when Bernie was running, even in twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 2: if you ask people about Medicare for all, they supported
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Speaker 2: Medicare for all over other public option or whatever other
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Speaker 2: ideas were floated, but they were concerned about electability. And
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Speaker 2: so now that the democratic establishment has been credibility on
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Speaker 2: this electability case has been destroyed by the re election
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Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, that has really opened things up for
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Speaker 2: you know, the burning wing or the democratic socialist wing
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Speaker 2: or the left lank or whatever you want to call
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Speaker 2: that part of the party, and you have the emergence
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Speaker 2: of Israelis this really clear dividing line of which side
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Speaker 2: are you on? So those are some of the reasons
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Speaker 2: why you have so much traction right now. Another piece
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Speaker 2: is I think the media ecosystem changing so that now
17:26
Speaker 2: you have shows like ours, you have lots of you know,
17:29
Speaker 2: drop Site was just profiled by the AP for their
17:32
Speaker 2: role in this new media ecosystem that allows candidates like
17:36
Speaker 2: abdelalh Sayat or other more DSA aligned candidates to get
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Speaker 2: their voices out and reach an audience and create a
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Speaker 2: contrast the establishment media has also lost credibility. And then
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Speaker 2: I think the other thing is that people understand this
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Speaker 2: is a good year for Democrats. Trump, as we discovered
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Speaker 2: is his ratings are in the toilet. People are disgusted
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Speaker 2: with what Trump two point zero has looked like. Democrats
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Speaker 2: are highly, highly motivated and Republicans are kind of dispirited.
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Speaker 2: So I think there's also a little bit of a
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Speaker 2: sense of Okay, we can take a risk on candidates
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Speaker 2: that we actually like and agree with, versus trying to
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Speaker 2: eat our vegetables with the candidates that the democratic establishment
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Speaker 2: are trying to shove down our throats who were not
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Speaker 2: that interested in So not only have they lost credibility,
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Speaker 2: but people are saying, like, you know what, we need
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Speaker 2: to do something different. It matters not just that you
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Speaker 2: get democrats in there, it matters what kind of democrats.
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Speaker 2: And this is the kind of year where we think
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Speaker 2: we could take a bit of a risk and get
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Speaker 2: someone in there that we really really like. We're going
18:37
Speaker 2: to talk to this fantastic reporter, Sam Robinson, who's been
18:40
Speaker 2: covering the race on the ground in Michigan really extensively.
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Speaker 2: If you've seen any clips of voters talking about that race,
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Speaker 2: they've all come from Sam Robinson and he's done a
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Speaker 2: fantastic job and we're probably played this when we talked
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Speaker 2: to him. He talked to this one guy and was like,
18:55
Speaker 2: you know you're voting for Abdula Saiah. Why And he said,
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Speaker 2: he said something to the ft of like we need change.
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Speaker 2: Fuck it, just like, look, we gotta do something different,
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Speaker 2: so what the like, we got to try something, so
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Speaker 2: fuck it, I'm voting for this guy, even though people
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Speaker 2: are telling me I shouldn't do it. I think there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of that in the Democratic base right now.
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Speaker 2: So you know, my big takeaway is even the people
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Speaker 2: who don't technically identify as Democratic socialists within the Democratic base,
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Speaker 2: the vast majority of them agree with us. Agree on
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Speaker 2: healthcare for all, agree certainly on totally changing our relationship
19:31
Speaker 2: with Israel. Agree on being much more aggressive in fighting
19:35
Speaker 2: back against Trump and the Republicans and holding them accountable.
19:39
Speaker 2: Agree on abolishing ice, agree on wealth taxes and fighting
19:42
Speaker 2: the oligarchy. So all of those policy positions are the
19:45
Speaker 2: reason why there's so much momentum.
19:48
Speaker 3: And to Chrystal's point about a different media environment, she
19:53
Speaker 3: flagged this on Twitter, and I did want to pull
19:55
Speaker 3: this up. You know, the Democratic Party has also completely
19:59
Speaker 3: misunderstan stood, or the deme establishment is completely misunderstood Hassan Piker,
20:03
Speaker 3: who has been traveling the nation this year and endorsing people.
20:08
Speaker 3: So Crystal, your tweet here says on April sixth, abdulas
20:10
Speaker 3: I had had only a twenty seven percent chance of
20:12
Speaker 3: winning the Democratic primary. On April seventh, he campaigned with
20:16
Speaker 3: Hassan the hunt. Look what happens to his odds of
20:19
Speaker 3: victory at that moment. So we've got it right up
20:21
Speaker 3: here there is for audio listeners. He is trailing Undernath
20:27
Speaker 3: Mallory McMorrow, which is such a crazy time stamp to
20:31
Speaker 3: think about. Back in April, and then there is a
20:36
Speaker 3: sharp line go up after Hassan Piker is the TLDR
20:41
Speaker 3: here and they have spent a lot of their capital
20:45
Speaker 3: and Democrat establishment distancing or throwing shade at Hassan Piker,
20:51
Speaker 3: trying to make him to be a radical and someone
20:56
Speaker 3: that should be persona non grata, which seems like it
20:58
Speaker 3: has completely failed. But I also wanted y'all, yeah, please, well.
21:03
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say I think it's one of
21:04
Speaker 2: the greatest political strategy misfires of all time, truly, and
21:08
Speaker 2: they should have known better because they tried the same
21:09
Speaker 2: thing with Cuomo and Zoron and it didn't work there,
21:13
Speaker 2: so they're like, let's do the same thing in Michigan
21:15
Speaker 2: and see how it goes. And it's not only Abdul
21:17
Speaker 2: that shoots up. Malariy mcburrow, to your point, falls off
21:20
Speaker 2: a cliff. And the reason is because she came out
21:22
Speaker 2: and did the hello, I wouldn't campaign with Hassan, and
21:25
Speaker 2: voters looked at that. And this is not to take
21:27
Speaker 2: anything away from Hassan, who has a significant platform and
21:29
Speaker 2: I think has been very impactful in his own right
21:31
Speaker 2: in all of these races. But because they created this
21:35
Speaker 2: Hassan dividing line, it was very clarifying for voters. Voters
21:39
Speaker 2: wanted to know, Okay, who they're saying. You know, Malari
21:42
Speaker 2: mcmaarash just trying to say these things. She says, it's
21:44
Speaker 2: a side, but she's kind of like watching her words,
21:47
Speaker 2: but she seems like she gets it. When they saw
21:49
Speaker 2: the way that she positioned herself vis a vis Hassan,
21:52
Speaker 2: it was a clarifying moment. Oh, you're not the type
21:54
Speaker 2: of politician we're looking for. You're the type who's trying
21:57
Speaker 2: to tell us what we want to hear. But when
21:58
Speaker 2: push comes to shove, you're not on the right side
22:01
Speaker 2: of this. You don't have the moral clarity that we
22:03
Speaker 2: require on this issue. That is indicative of whether you're
22:05
Speaker 2: going to have moral clarity on a whole host of issues.
22:08
Speaker 2: So it's not an accident that that is truly the
22:11
Speaker 2: inflection point. And it's kind of wild because they thought
22:14
Speaker 2: this would be what would take Abdul out and set
22:17
Speaker 2: instead helping to clarify the divisions in the race ultimately
22:22
Speaker 2: destroys Malari mcmorro's campaign and rockets Abdul into a really
22:27
Speaker 2: quite strong position. The polls that have come out have
22:30
Speaker 2: them up you know, ten twelve, fifteen points at this point,
22:33
Speaker 2: and that's with everybody throwing all the establishment, throwing everything
22:36
Speaker 2: they possibly can in for Hailey Stevens. So, you know,
22:40
Speaker 2: I think his role in the media ecosystem is really important,
22:43
Speaker 2: but I also in the way that he's used his
22:45
Speaker 2: political capital has been really important. But the key thing
22:47
Speaker 2: there was how the establishment used him to serve as
22:52
Speaker 2: a clarifying dividing line and they found out that, oh,
22:56
Speaker 2: it turns out the vast majority of the Democratic base
22:59
Speaker 2: they're going to be on the other side of that
23:00
Speaker 2: dividing line. They're with Hasan, they're with Abdul on this question.
23:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it reminds me to your point about Cuomo,
23:07
Speaker 4: actually that they they're going down the exact same or
23:11
Speaker 4: they're they're doubling down on the strategy that's blown up
23:14
Speaker 4: in their faces. And there's one person everyone's gonna laugh
23:17
Speaker 4: when I say this who's kind of realized it and
23:20
Speaker 4: is trying like a different route unsuccessfully. But it's rama
23:23
Speaker 4: Manuel who's like noticing where the base is he knows
23:27
Speaker 4: he's a centrist, he knows what his record is like,
23:30
Speaker 4: and he's experimenting with different ways to try to get
23:33
Speaker 4: around that. If he were to make a presidential run,
23:35
Speaker 4: and instead of trying to do something like more innovative,
23:40
Speaker 4: then doubling down on the failed strategy, Malary McMorrow and
23:43
Speaker 4: Malary mcmorro's consultants probably a better way to put it,
23:46
Speaker 4: just went in completely the wrong direction politically, thinking that
23:51
Speaker 4: it would be the differentiator. But it actually just kind
23:53
Speaker 4: of makes you look weak to not even like if
23:56
Speaker 4: I'm just imagining how if rama Manuel were running in
23:59
Speaker 4: this race, he would have so sure, I'll sit down
24:01
Speaker 4: with anybody, and then he would have sat down with
24:03
Speaker 4: He didn't say that, Piper.
24:04
Speaker 2: Actually he was asked about that and he said, I'm
24:07
Speaker 2: sit down without talk to anybody, no problem, right, And.
24:10
Speaker 4: It makes you look weak to just be like, uh no,
24:13
Speaker 4: I'm not going to talk to it. You know, I
24:15
Speaker 4: just feel it just it's it doesn't work anymore because
24:18
Speaker 4: nobody trusts the gatekeepers, and so if you look like
24:21
Speaker 4: a gatekeeper, you look lame and untrustworthy.
24:25
Speaker 3: And Republican, like if you're just trying to like toss
24:28
Speaker 3: out Thesissan piker clips because he does have some spicy clips.
24:31
Speaker 3: It also shows that people don't really care that much
24:33
Speaker 3: about that, Oh he said something distasteful about nine to
24:37
Speaker 3: eleven or whatever, Like people can't fill up their gas,
24:40
Speaker 3: people can't buy a house. So people just really don't
24:42
Speaker 3: care about a spicy clip that you put on a mailer.
24:46
Speaker 3: That's that's not relevant to anyone here.
24:48
Speaker 2: Well, and not only that, but you're asking us to
24:51
Speaker 2: believe that saying something untoward about nine to eleven is
24:56
Speaker 2: a more radical thing than supporting our tax to going
25:00
Speaker 2: to a literal genocide. And I think people are looking
25:04
Speaker 2: at that through a very different moral lens than what
25:07
Speaker 2: the establishment is, and they're saying, no, your position is
25:10
Speaker 2: the one that is on a step. Your position is
25:12
Speaker 2: the one that's fringe. Your position is the one that's
25:14
Speaker 2: radical and has much graver real world moral like a
25:20
Speaker 2: horrifying moral implications than Hassan popping off on a podcast
25:25
Speaker 2: and saying something that is that is edgy or you know, offensive.
25:30
Speaker 4: Or maybe both are radical and people just don't care
25:32
Speaker 4: anymore because people feel increasingly radical, like we're not talking
25:35
Speaker 4: about the entire country, we're talking about the Democratic base,
25:38
Speaker 4: and there's a significant or not insignificant trunk of the
25:41
Speaker 4: Democratic base that does feel more radical, especially younger. It
25:44
Speaker 4: shows up in polling over and over again. So just
25:45
Speaker 4: saying that somebody is radical without offering your own ideas
25:50
Speaker 4: for what the moral clarity of the party should look
25:52
Speaker 4: like in a way that actually feels grounded and rooted
25:55
Speaker 4: and not kind of cowardly and milk toast is a
25:58
Speaker 4: disaster for people like Malory mcmorro. I don't know why
26:01
Speaker 4: we're talking about Mallary mcmore.
26:03
Speaker 2: You know, I just saw yesterday Emily the somebody reposting
26:06
Speaker 2: the infamous like her dancing with the marching band and
26:09
Speaker 2: the big like print outs of her face and whatever.
26:11
Speaker 2: It really it really brought me back to that particular
26:14
Speaker 2: moment in time. But one last thing I'm going to
26:16
Speaker 2: say about DSA and demographics, because you really see, you know,
26:20
Speaker 2: as the establishment loses their grip, they're using a lot
26:24
Speaker 2: of really nasty, nasty, dishonest tactics to try to beat
26:28
Speaker 2: back this rise of the left. And they're going to
26:31
Speaker 2: the old playback book of like racial presentment politics and
26:35
Speaker 2: weaponizing identity, etc. And one of their go tos is like, oh, well,
26:40
Speaker 2: the DSA, it's just like wealthy white people that are
26:44
Speaker 2: tricking everybody into voting for these candidates basically, And so
26:47
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting to look at the demographics of
26:49
Speaker 2: who within the Democratic Party is actually identifying as a
26:52
Speaker 2: Democratic Socialist, and they do tend to be They're more
26:56
Speaker 2: likely to be white, although the difference at this point,
27:00
Speaker 2: because the DSA coalition has expanded dramatically is quite small.
27:04
Speaker 2: It's fifty seven percent to forty nine percent. They tend
27:07
Speaker 2: to be younger, that's a huge dividing line. They're less
27:11
Speaker 2: likely to have a college degree, They're more likely to
27:14
Speaker 2: earn less than one hundred thousand dollars a year. So
27:17
Speaker 2: should this surprise anyone that young people and we're using
27:20
Speaker 2: young people loosely here, we're talking about people younger than
27:23
Speaker 2: forty five, so basically millennials and Gen Z young people
27:27
Speaker 2: who came of age sharing the Great Recession, or Zoomers
27:30
Speaker 2: who are coming of age now we're seeing really dire
27:32
Speaker 2: economic prospects who are saying, you know, either I have
27:36
Speaker 2: a college degree and I'm just like saddled with debt
27:38
Speaker 2: and can't get a job that is going to be
27:40
Speaker 2: able to pay that debt off, or they're looking at
27:43
Speaker 2: the college and forgoing it all together because they see
27:45
Speaker 2: that landscape, but they don't have a lot of other
27:47
Speaker 2: good options that those would be the sorts of people
27:50
Speaker 2: who would get involved in this politics. And so, you know,
27:55
Speaker 2: I think that is an important story too of who
27:58
Speaker 2: DSA is and what you saw in then new Ark races,
28:00
Speaker 2: what you saw on the Denver Race as well with Milatkiros,
28:04
Speaker 2: is that the previous somewhat accurate archetype of like the
28:09
Speaker 2: white Brooklyn leftist that is really being left in the
28:12
Speaker 2: dust now. The coalition is expanding greatly and especially and
28:16
Speaker 2: the biggest divide tends to be more generational than Rachel
28:20
Speaker 2: at this point.
28:21
Speaker 3: Yes, and I did want to just end this segment
28:23
Speaker 3: with one clip. You know, Crystal mentioned that picking the
28:26
Speaker 3: fight with Hassan Piker was a terrible political move for
28:30
Speaker 3: the establishment, but there continue to fight the battle against
28:34
Speaker 3: d s A, which I think will equally be disastrous
28:38
Speaker 3: for them. We've got Jamie Harrison here being asked about
28:41
Speaker 3: it with Joy Reid. Let's take a quick lessen.
28:43
Speaker 6: The other element in the room is, I know you're
28:45
Speaker 6: not a huge fan of dsay, I've seen your I've
28:48
Speaker 6: seen your tweets.
28:52
Speaker 7: You laugh, but I've seen them.
28:54
Speaker 6: Do you view this, which is a lot with a
28:57
Speaker 6: lot of progressive fear as South care lineup being able
29:01
Speaker 6: to effectively smother progressives that come in because the state
29:06
Speaker 6: is not, you know, sort of DSA centered. Is that
29:10
Speaker 6: one of the reasons that so many folks like yourself
29:13
Speaker 6: are happy about South Carolina being pert.
29:16
Speaker 7: No, no joy I mean, anybody knows me.
29:19
Speaker 8: I think I represent the plegmatism that you got in
29:23
Speaker 8: South Carolina.
29:24
Speaker 7: This is a big chant party.
29:26
Speaker 8: You know, Democrats are a coalition, and in a coalition
29:29
Speaker 8: or in a family, you argue, and you're gonna have
29:31
Speaker 8: some of your family members who feel a certain way
29:34
Speaker 8: about this, and then you got some who feel a
29:36
Speaker 8: certain way about that.
29:37
Speaker 7: I don't have any problems with folks from DSA.
29:40
Speaker 8: What I have problems with more of is that we
29:43
Speaker 8: got one party right now that is trying to fight
29:46
Speaker 8: back against fashion, and if we tear that party apart
29:49
Speaker 8: at this point, we're gonna lose because there's no other
29:51
Speaker 8: party or no other entity that is strong enough to
29:54
Speaker 8: hold that back.
29:55
Speaker 7: Now again, if you are trying to destroy the party.
29:58
Speaker 3: Then you and I will have uh, you'll have.
30:01
Speaker 7: Issues because I just don't think that's the right way
30:04
Speaker 7: to go.
30:05
Speaker 6: But that doesn't I would argue that I mean not
30:08
Speaker 6: to interrupt you, but I think that this is this
30:11
Speaker 6: is the conversation I think we need to have because
30:13
Speaker 6: I don't know if the idea is to destroy the
30:15
Speaker 6: party but really rather to maybe tear down some of
30:18
Speaker 6: the systems that make the party ineffective. And so I
30:21
Speaker 6: think there are people who see a party that has
30:24
Speaker 6: potential but that is holding back because of special interests
30:28
Speaker 6: that are saying, do less, just have a little bit,
30:30
Speaker 6: you just only keep the dot. You don't need the dollar,
30:33
Speaker 6: but a lot of dollar right now, people desperately need
30:36
Speaker 6: the whole dollar.
30:37
Speaker 2: It is quite something to see Jamie Harrison talking in
30:40
Speaker 2: this way at a time when you know, I have
30:44
Speaker 2: former Biden slash Jill Biden Aid who's saying that if
30:47
Speaker 2: Abdul is the nominee, he will do everything that he
30:50
Speaker 2: possibly can to elect the Republican in that race. We
30:54
Speaker 2: have Hillary Schulton, who is a Michigan representative who has
30:58
Speaker 2: said that she could never support Abdul because of his
31:02
Speaker 2: unspecified anti American views that she claims he's pushing forward
31:08
Speaker 2: a lot of centrists who would be in the sort
31:11
Speaker 2: of Jamie Harrison Lena Politics suddenly abandoned vote Blue no
31:15
Speaker 2: matter who when they saw these sort of progressive and
31:18
Speaker 2: lefty candidates who were rising to the top. So if
31:21
Speaker 2: anyone is tearing apart the Democratic Party right now, it's
31:24
Speaker 2: not the left. Everything I'm hearing from the left is, hey,
31:26
Speaker 2: we need a big tent. We need to join together
31:28
Speaker 2: to fight against the rise of fascism, to accomplish goals
31:31
Speaker 2: that actually deliver for working people. That's what Francesca Hank
31:34
Speaker 2: told us. We're in reference to Van Jones and his
31:37
Speaker 2: attack on the left blank of the party. So I
31:41
Speaker 2: think maybe mister Harrison needs to take a look at
31:43
Speaker 2: his own part of the coalition to see who is
31:45
Speaker 2: trying to rip the Democratic Party apart at this point.
31:48
Speaker 3: So you're not part of the liberal commentariat that's now
31:51
Speaker 3: uncommitted for Abdul, they're going to leave that space blank.
31:56
Speaker 4: It reminds me so much of Bill Crystal being going
31:59
Speaker 4: from like arch Republican defender and strategist at the Weekly
32:06
Speaker 4: Standard to suddenly saying I'm so disgusted by Trump voters,
32:11
Speaker 4: not just Trump, but Trump voters that I will be
32:13
Speaker 4: working to elect Hillary Clinton or whatever else or whoever
32:17
Speaker 4: else came down afterwards, and he now calls himself like
32:19
Speaker 4: a feminist. So just wait, We're going to have former
32:23
Speaker 4: Biden staffers calling themselves America first pretty soon.
32:26
Speaker 2: Oh, it's going to that is absolutely. I do think
32:28
Speaker 2: there will be Democrats who leave the party, specifically over Israel.
32:33
Speaker 2: I think that'll be that will happen, and it's going
32:35
Speaker 2: to be mostly democratic elected leadership is what I'm referring
32:39
Speaker 2: to here more than voters. But that's that's going to
32:42
Speaker 2: be a thingment your eyes open for that one betterman,
32:45
Speaker 2: Bye bye.
32:46
Speaker 3: Sir, Dean jhillups all of you guys. Hey, who knew
32:52
Speaker 3: the third party would come from the centrist Democrats and
32:55
Speaker 3: not from the far left. But we've got a lot
33:01
Speaker 3: more democratic politics going on here. You know, the race
33:06
Speaker 3: that the entire nation is watching right now is the
33:09
Speaker 3: Democratic primary in Michigan. And we've got reporter and journalist
33:13
Speaker 3: Sam Robinson here on the show. He's been covering all
33:18
Speaker 3: of it on the ground. How you doing, Sam, I'm
33:21
Speaker 3: doing good, and how are you guys. We're happy to
33:24
Speaker 3: have you here. Sam. Now, let's start off with a
33:26
Speaker 3: big poll that just dropped last evening. Here the Michigan
33:31
Speaker 3: Senate Democratic primary poll with Abdula el Saied leading by
33:35
Speaker 3: I'm not good at math, y'all? Is that double digits?
33:38
Speaker 3: We've got Abduel here at fifty six percent and Hailey
33:41
Speaker 3: Stevens at thirty nine percent. Of course, this is after
33:46
Speaker 3: over seventy four million dollars in spending for Hailey Stevens. Sam,
33:52
Speaker 3: what are you seeing on the ground in regards to
33:55
Speaker 3: this poll?
33:57
Speaker 9: Well, you know, I'm seeing a lot of my neighbors
34:00
Speaker 9: the east side of Detroit, you know, in the urban cores.
34:04
Speaker 9: Abdul's movement has not quite reached. What has reached are
34:10
Speaker 9: the ads? Are the mailers like this specifically targeting black voters?
34:16
Speaker 9: I mean you can see with the with the font
34:18
Speaker 9: and the color scheme used.
34:20
Speaker 10: You can see the photo with Obama somewhere on the
34:23
Speaker 10: back here.
34:23
Speaker 9: And so, of course Barack Obama has not waged into
34:27
Speaker 9: this race. His office told Dave Weigel that specifically he
34:31
Speaker 9: has not waid into this race. You know, we haven't
34:34
Speaker 9: heard anything of a takedown on his part. I guess
34:37
Speaker 9: some people say you know, if he was really that
34:39
Speaker 9: bothered by all of these ads, perhaps he would say
34:42
Speaker 9: something he has not. And so a lot of my
34:44
Speaker 9: neighbors who tell me that they're voting for Hailey Stevens uh,
34:47
Speaker 9: they they talk about the ads. They'll talk about early
34:52
Speaker 9: on there was ads about ice, so I would hear
34:56
Speaker 9: that quite a bit. You know, she's gonna take on ice,
34:59
Speaker 9: She's gonna lower grocery costs.
35:02
Speaker 3: You know, it's really interesting.
35:03
Speaker 9: I do think that the reality is that Abdul i'll
35:07
Speaker 9: say Ed is the front runner.
35:09
Speaker 10: He's been the front runner for quite some time now.
35:13
Speaker 9: I think as soon as as Mallory dropped out that
35:15
Speaker 9: became clear.
35:17
Speaker 2: And you work people should know for the Michigan Chronicle,
35:20
Speaker 2: it's the oldest black newspaper in the state, so you're
35:23
Speaker 2: covering the race and also specifically the African American community.
35:27
Speaker 2: Is the beat that you focus on here? Grifvin, can
35:30
Speaker 2: you queue up the yes this one exactly. I want
35:34
Speaker 2: to play this young nineteen year old supporter of Abdul
35:38
Speaker 2: say Ed explaining the reason that he supports him. And
35:41
Speaker 2: then I'm curious on the other side of this, Sam,
35:43
Speaker 2: if you're seeing a generational divide here in your community.
35:47
Speaker 2: As far as how voters are viewing this race, Let's
35:50
Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen to Brandon Young here, Yes, and.
35:53
Speaker 3: I just want to flag for audio only listeners. He's
35:55
Speaker 3: also wearing a dragon ball Z T shirt, So we're
35:57
Speaker 3: getting the young black dragon ball Z electorate now in.
36:02
Speaker 2: Very specific electorate easy.
36:05
Speaker 11: She's like too much of a corporate in Israel, shill like.
36:09
Speaker 11: One of her like most famous quotes is that Israel
36:11
Speaker 11: comes to her in her dreams. Fuck that, I'm so
36:14
Speaker 11: sick of America, like bending the knee and like getting
36:19
Speaker 11: on its knees for Israel. And Hailey Stevens doesn't really
36:22
Speaker 11: seem to be against that. Abdul al Sayeh doesn't take
36:26
Speaker 11: like any corporate funding. He just has endorsements from the
36:29
Speaker 11: UAW and Bernie Sanders. Hailey Stevens is basically like being
36:34
Speaker 11: groomed to be into the India State to make more
36:38
Speaker 11: favorable changes for Israel. And I'm not okay with that.
36:42
Speaker 11: I don't like I already don't like indirectly supporting a
36:46
Speaker 11: genocide just by collecting a paycheck or by buying literally
36:50
Speaker 11: anything in the country, because I know it's all gonna
36:52
Speaker 11: eventually go upwards and then outwards Israel. And if my
36:57
Speaker 11: and if I can, like say, in my own states
36:59
Speaker 11: responsible for that, I feel deep food shape.
37:02
Speaker 3: So I'm just going to vote for the guy that's
37:03
Speaker 3: not doing that. And let's get one last one here,
37:07
Speaker 3: Uh to.
37:10
Speaker 7: Somebody, did somebody different?
37:13
Speaker 2: Yeah?
37:13
Speaker 7: You know what I mean, you know yea, yeah, we
37:16
Speaker 7: need to change, you know what I mean.
37:21
Speaker 10: I think that shit.
37:22
Speaker 2: Fuck, it is such a great It's a great tagline
37:25
Speaker 2: right there.
37:26
Speaker 4: Fill up my bones.
37:30
Speaker 3: So Sam is, yeah, is this is this you know,
37:33
Speaker 3: is this just a anecdotal video or is this something
37:37
Speaker 3: that you're seeing on the ground.
37:38
Speaker 9: You know, largely there's a generational divide in this race,
37:42
Speaker 9: and you know, I think the exit polls are going
37:43
Speaker 9: to show that clearly. You know, the talk of black
37:46
Speaker 9: voters are all going to vote for Hailey Stevens is ridiculous.
37:49
Speaker 9: That I mean, frankly, the talk of all Jewish voters,
37:52
Speaker 9: all Oakland County voters are going to vote for Haley Stevens,
37:54
Speaker 9: I think is a little bit ridiculous. And uh, when
37:57
Speaker 9: you go into those communities, you know, you really find
38:00
Speaker 9: all kinds of outliers, older black voters that are supporting
38:06
Speaker 9: Abdul I'll say ad that are frankly worried about the
38:10
Speaker 9: direction of the Democratic Party, worried about their tax money
38:15
Speaker 9: going to foreign governments like Israel, worried about cuts to
38:20
Speaker 9: medicare voting rights. So it's interesting, you know, most of
38:26
Speaker 9: my peers, you know, are in that Abdul I'll say
38:30
Speaker 9: ed camp.
38:31
Speaker 10: It is kind of hard to find.
38:35
Speaker 9: Hailey Stevens supporters who are not like, you know, either
38:39
Speaker 9: working for Haley Stevens.
38:41
Speaker 10: They're like in their twenties or you know.
38:45
Speaker 9: I was at a Hailey Stephens event at a Teamster's
38:48
Speaker 9: union hall in Detroit, and you know, I would go
38:52
Speaker 9: up to people asking them where they're from.
38:54
Speaker 10: Can I talk to them? Include them in my story?
38:56
Speaker 9: And I was attempting to find young people at the
38:59
Speaker 9: event who wanted to share anything. And I actually talked
39:03
Speaker 9: to three people, some like you know, white guys with
39:07
Speaker 9: T shirts on. They all worked for the camp, but
39:09
Speaker 9: they all couldn't talk to me because they're like, oh,
39:10
Speaker 9: I technically work for the campaign. So you know, it
39:13
Speaker 9: is kind of hard to find the younger Hailey Stevens voter. Typically,
39:18
Speaker 9: the ones that I've talked to are wealthier are perhaps
39:21
Speaker 9: from Oakland County, so she's gonna have to run up
39:24
Speaker 9: the score in her own district there. She represents Farmington Hills, Birmingham.
39:31
Speaker 9: It's a Oakland county. Certainly Wayne County is going to
39:35
Speaker 9: go to Abdulla Sa. Yet I would imagine the city
39:37
Speaker 9: of Detroit she's gonna have to run up those numbers too.
39:40
Speaker 9: We have five hundred thousand eligible voters here. Of course,
39:44
Speaker 9: you know turnout is going to be like eighteen to
39:45
Speaker 9: twenty five percent. I've been hearing some people say that
39:48
Speaker 9: Abdul I'll say it has to kind of root for
39:50
Speaker 9: load turnout in Detroit. I frankly don't even know if
39:52
Speaker 9: that's gonna matter based on what we've seen in these
39:55
Speaker 9: these poll numbers.
39:57
Speaker 4: And Sam, I wanted to ask you about this interview
39:58
Speaker 4: you did with Farmington school board member Andree Smith Griffin,
40:01
Speaker 4: if you could cue this one up, because obviously there
40:03
Speaker 4: are echoes of twenty sixteen and even twenty twenty Bernie
40:07
Speaker 4: Sanders in South Carolina, where you had Jim Clyburn, for example,
40:12
Speaker 4: basically organizing to get Joe Biden to be coordinated, sorry
40:18
Speaker 4: by orchestrating the dropout of Pete Boodha, Jedge and Amy
40:21
Speaker 4: Klobatar and consolidating around Joe Biden at the time. The
40:25
Speaker 4: reason that this kind of echoes is obviously because the
40:28
Speaker 4: idea is that the emergent socialist coalition is overly white
40:34
Speaker 4: and it is not appealing to black voters, which is,
40:36
Speaker 4: as we've been discussing so far, not a clean narrative
40:40
Speaker 4: in this particular race. But here's what Angie Smith, farming
40:45
Speaker 4: tooned school board member told you, Sam, and we'll get
40:47
Speaker 4: you to react on the backside.
40:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Sam, don't count yourself short. You found some
40:52
Speaker 3: supporters here. Let's take it.
40:54
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, so we're here with Angie Smith and you're
40:58
Speaker 9: from Farmington, come.
41:00
Speaker 12: From farmanis to public schools, top book getner for Farmington
41:04
Speaker 12: Public School Board and on the board eleven years. I
41:07
Speaker 12: am supporting Haley Stevens because she's that candidate.
41:11
Speaker 13: We need someone that can represent all of us.
41:14
Speaker 12: Not just one race, but all races. Haley has done
41:18
Speaker 12: great work in Farmington and in Farmington Hills.
41:22
Speaker 7: She knows what she's doing.
41:24
Speaker 12: And anytime you can go to a democratic convention and
41:27
Speaker 12: be booed and walk from behind a podium and stand
41:32
Speaker 12: there while you're being booed and things thrown at you.
41:34
Speaker 7: That's our person. So let's vote on this fort for
41:39
Speaker 7: Haley Stevens.
41:39
Speaker 10: And thank you when you say, you know, not just
41:42
Speaker 10: for one.
41:42
Speaker 7: What do you mean by that?
41:44
Speaker 3: Do you feel the other candidate is.
41:45
Speaker 12: The other candidate seems to be for. Doesn't work a room,
41:49
Speaker 12: You have to know how to work the room. Don't
41:53
Speaker 12: come out.
41:54
Speaker 13: Speaking only Arabic, don't come out music on represent everyone.
42:00
Speaker 12: You know my DNA is my dn.
42:02
Speaker 7: I well my DII. You know I'm the mother of.
42:06
Speaker 13: A Mesbian, Puerto Rican and Cherokee with a grandfather that
42:12
Speaker 13: was a white man from Ireland.
42:13
Speaker 7: Represent us all. Don't just represent white ethnicity or race.
42:19
Speaker 3: So Samah, can you confirm that Abdulah is coming out
42:22
Speaker 3: speaking in Arabic and only playing Arabic music? Can you
42:25
Speaker 3: confirm that for us?
42:27
Speaker 9: You know, Angie Smith, she was talking about the Michigan
42:29
Speaker 9: Democratic Party convention. You guys might remember, but to reframe
42:33
Speaker 9: for your viewers who are not in Michigan, we have
42:38
Speaker 9: these university board regent positions, the board trustees, and there
42:43
Speaker 9: was a Muslim Arab man, Amir Makhled, who defeated Jewish
42:49
Speaker 9: guy Jordan Acker. When Amir Makled's results were announced to
42:55
Speaker 9: the crowd of the Michigan Democratic Party convention, he did
42:58
Speaker 9: come out to Arabic music.
42:59
Speaker 10: Perhaps that's what Angie was referencing.
43:02
Speaker 9: You know, I did not ask her beyond that point
43:05
Speaker 9: that was at the end of the videos away. And
43:09
Speaker 9: so she went on Fox Too yesterday to apologize to
43:13
Speaker 9: Metro Detroit's Middle Eastern community. As she put it, she
43:16
Speaker 9: has Arabic tattoos. She has two Arabic tattoos. So you know,
43:21
Speaker 9: she she said what I think a lot of people think.
43:26
Speaker 4: But what was sam this is? This is what I
43:28
Speaker 4: was gonna ask you. How widespread is that you were
43:30
Speaker 4: just gonna say, she said, what you think a lot
43:32
Speaker 4: of people might be thinking privately? Is is that the
43:35
Speaker 4: sense that you get talking to, particularly maybe black voters
43:38
Speaker 4: in the Detroit area.
43:40
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean there's it's a sentiment held by some
43:44
Speaker 9: older folks.
43:45
Speaker 10: Uh.
43:45
Speaker 9: You know, there there is a long standing tension between
43:50
Speaker 9: Detroit's majority black community and it's Arab Muslim neighbors. You
43:55
Speaker 9: can go to the west side, closer to Dearborn Dearborn
43:59
Speaker 9: Heights where they live together. In the East side off
44:02
Speaker 9: seven Mile, there's a pretty fair Bengali community that lives
44:07
Speaker 9: door to door to African American families, and so, yeah,
44:11
Speaker 9: it's been a long thing in Metro Detroit. A lot
44:14
Speaker 9: has talked about Dearborn, but you know, we live amongst
44:17
Speaker 9: each other in the same communities, and there are moments
44:20
Speaker 9: when the tension bubbles up. I think Angie Smith's comments
44:24
Speaker 9: were one of those moments. Haley Stevens's campaign, of course,
44:29
Speaker 9: condemned the comments. I think the comment that she made
44:33
Speaker 9: last night at ten to thirty pm on Twitter accusing
44:38
Speaker 9: l Sied of blaming all of his problems on Jewish Americans.
44:43
Speaker 9: You know, I don't think that really helps when talking
44:46
Speaker 9: about this conversation of the tension between Detroit, Metro Detroit's
44:52
Speaker 9: Jewish and Muslim communities. You know, it's certainly an ongoing issue.
44:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, that post was pretty shocking because, like it was
45:03
Speaker 2: a lengthy post, but part of it she said that
45:06
Speaker 2: as you, as you quoted, Abdullah said, blames all of
45:09
Speaker 2: his problems on Jewish Americans, which is you know, I
45:12
Speaker 2: mean that's just a wild thing to say.
45:15
Speaker 9: I mean I was like shocked, like we were getting
45:17
Speaker 9: all these text messages. People are calling me about a
45:19
Speaker 9: tweet about a Hailey Stevens tweet at ten thirty pm.
45:22
Speaker 9: I'm like, can you go away? What's the deal? And
45:24
Speaker 9: then I scrolled down because it's like a two hundred
45:26
Speaker 9: and ninety word tweet and a long.
45:29
Speaker 2: While this is an acmen style tweet right here.
45:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
45:34
Speaker 3: Let me read some of this the for the audience
45:36
Speaker 3: here in case you have not been tracking and putting
45:39
Speaker 3: notifications on for every Hailey Stephens tweet like I have. Abdul,
45:43
Speaker 3: we were both on the ballot in twenty eighteen. I
45:45
Speaker 3: was capable of winning my competitive primary in general election.
45:49
Speaker 3: You lost. You lost by over twenty points to Gretchen Whitmer,
45:53
Speaker 3: and you will lose to Mike Rogers. By talking like this,
45:56
Speaker 3: everyone in America understands you want to blame all your
45:59
Speaker 3: problems on Jewish Americans. Bro, I just want to work
46:04
Speaker 3: for Michigan.
46:05
Speaker 9: You know, I think everyone in America, I think the
46:08
Speaker 9: majority of Americans at this point do understand the difference
46:12
Speaker 9: between the criticisms of the Israeli government and of Jewish Americans. Frankly,
46:16
Speaker 9: I mean talking to Brandon Young about that. After I
46:21
Speaker 9: took the camera off after you know, we interviewed, he clarified,
46:24
Speaker 9: you know, I have nothing A guy of Jewish friends
46:27
Speaker 9: and neighbors, even he told me.
46:29
Speaker 10: And so, you know, I.
46:33
Speaker 9: This conversation especially happening in Michigan, as Hailey Stephens knows,
46:37
Speaker 9: as a Democratic Party in Michigan knows that our Arab
46:40
Speaker 9: Muslim community feels so strongly about the APAC dollars flowing
46:44
Speaker 9: into this race, about American lawmakers' support for the state
46:50
Speaker 9: of Israel. It is a shame really that these things
46:55
Speaker 9: are conflated.
46:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was curious to Sam your perspective. We've had
47:00
Speaker 2: a few Michigan electeds who have either not said whether
47:06
Speaker 2: they would back Abdullah Siet if he is the nominee,
47:08
Speaker 2: or overtly Hillary Schulten representative came out and said she
47:12
Speaker 2: could never stand alongside someone who was pushing what she
47:15
Speaker 2: described as anti American views. You know, would and I
47:19
Speaker 2: think the Attorney General said that she would not go
47:22
Speaker 2: to the Democrat the convention, the party convention in Michigan
47:27
Speaker 2: because she was fearful of her safety. I wonder if
47:30
Speaker 2: you could talk a little bit about about that dynamic,
47:32
Speaker 2: because you know, a Hillary Schulten someone from the war
47:35
Speaker 2: sort of center swing of the party. This would have
47:37
Speaker 2: been someone who very opposed to sit, for example, the
47:39
Speaker 2: Uncommitted movement. But now when she was on the other
47:43
Speaker 2: foot and she's being asked to support a nominee who
47:46
Speaker 2: shares some views that she does not share, she's unwilling
47:49
Speaker 2: to do so.
47:49
Speaker 3: And I'd also like to take it onto that question, Sam.
47:52
Speaker 3: One last thing to tack onto that question about establishment
47:55
Speaker 3: Michigan Democrats is Gretchen Whitmer came out recently and endorsed
48:00
Speaker 3: Haley Stevens, and we didn't see any bump from that.
48:04
Speaker 3: In fact, there is new polling on Gretchen Whitmer that
48:08
Speaker 3: she is dropping in the polls. This is an Emerson
48:11
Speaker 3: poll where she holds a sixty two percent approval rating,
48:14
Speaker 3: a seventeen point drop since April when it was seventy nine.
48:17
Speaker 3: So what is that about it?
48:19
Speaker 4: And that's among Democratic primary voters. So yes, significant swings.
48:23
Speaker 3: So we love your reaction to that as well.
48:26
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I think that you know, as Gretchen
48:29
Speaker 9: Whitmer's popularity is going to decrease every time that she
48:32
Speaker 9: takes a picture with Sam Altman or rejects legislation that
48:38
Speaker 9: that would have helped workers. Every time she puts a
48:42
Speaker 9: binder in front of her face. I don't think she's
48:44
Speaker 9: ever going to do it again this one. Yeah, Democratic
48:49
Speaker 9: voters did not like that. You know, the most of
48:51
Speaker 9: the folks that I talked to, Hey, there is some split.
48:53
Speaker 9: You know, they'll say, hey, she's got to do what
48:55
Speaker 9: she's got to do. I actually kind of like that.
48:56
Speaker 9: She has sort of, you know, anything that Trump is
49:01
Speaker 9: asking her to do, which includes appearing in his impromptu
49:05
Speaker 9: press conferences which she has to pretend that she's not there.
49:09
Speaker 9: Gretchen Whitmer is still extremely popular in Michigan. But no,
49:16
Speaker 9: I don't think anybody's voting based on what she does
49:20
Speaker 9: or endorses. You know, as it relates to the conversation
49:24
Speaker 9: about if Abdul wins, will Hailey Stephens supporters back him,
49:29
Speaker 9: you know, To be honest, I am hearing from more
49:31
Speaker 9: Abdual supporters that say, I'm only going to the polls
49:34
Speaker 9: to be you know, for Abdul, so if he does
49:37
Speaker 9: not win, I will not show up in November. I
49:40
Speaker 9: am hearing more from from those folks that I am,
49:42
Speaker 9: the Hailey Stevens people.
49:43
Speaker 3: But when you ask the Haley Stevens.
49:44
Speaker 9: People who aren't supporting don't want to support Abdul, don't
49:47
Speaker 9: want to commit to supporting Abdul. Yeah, a lot of
49:51
Speaker 9: it gets into the conversation about Israel, the conversation about
49:56
Speaker 9: race and religion, and you know, not a lot to
49:59
Speaker 9: do with Medicare for all. Helena Scott, she's a state
50:02
Speaker 9: rep who is you know, a on a Facebook tour
50:05
Speaker 9: smearing me, telling her Facebook audience that I somehow lied
50:10
Speaker 9: on her for reporting what she said to me. She
50:13
Speaker 9: told me that if if dual Wins were fucked, she
50:16
Speaker 9: told me. And when I asked her, would she commit
50:19
Speaker 9: to supporting him if he is the nominee, she says,
50:23
Speaker 9: I can't, No, I can't do that right now. And
50:26
Speaker 9: you know a few days later she calls me to
50:28
Speaker 9: tell me that she actually called Abdul lad to tell him,
50:31
Speaker 9: after receiving backlash online, that she would be endorsing him
50:36
Speaker 9: and supporting him if he is the nominee. Helena Scott
50:41
Speaker 9: is in her own state legislative race in Ferndale against
50:45
Speaker 9: an insurgent DSA candidate named Chris Gilmer Hill.
50:48
Speaker 3: And so you know, there are folks that are.
50:51
Speaker 9: On both sides of this kind of going to sit
50:54
Speaker 9: out in November. No Democrat that I've talked to yet
50:59
Speaker 9: is going to vote for Abdul, sit out and then
51:02
Speaker 9: vote for Mike Rogers. I am hearing some of that
51:05
Speaker 9: accusation from the Hailey Stevens folks, this idea that if
51:08
Speaker 9: Abdul isn't the dominie, then there's going to be a
51:10
Speaker 9: large portion of Democratic primary voters that end up voting
51:15
Speaker 9: for Mike Rodgers. I would not see that. I don't
51:19
Speaker 9: know John James is on our ballot, though people can
51:21
Speaker 9: vote for black Republican John James for Michigan governor.
51:24
Speaker 3: Oh good, good, good, that's good for me.
51:26
Speaker 4: I just I think that's really significant though, that some
51:29
Speaker 4: people are also saying they will not vote if Abdua
51:31
Speaker 4: l say Ed is not on the ballot. Because we
51:34
Speaker 4: just looked at a CNN poll earlier in today's show
51:37
Speaker 4: about how the people who are identifying in the Democratic Party,
51:40
Speaker 4: it's about a third as Democratic Socialists say they're more
51:43
Speaker 4: energized to vote. And I think that's a significant observation
51:47
Speaker 4: on your behalf, Sam, that you're also talking to people
51:49
Speaker 4: who say they're just not going to show up because
51:52
Speaker 4: Democrats right now are running behind themselves on the generic
51:55
Speaker 4: congressional ballot compared with twenty eighteen in two thousand and six,
51:59
Speaker 4: big blue wave years, and it feels like the one
52:01
Speaker 4: thing that could help that gap widen between now and
52:04
Speaker 4: November is actually these Democratic Socialist candidates who have injected
52:09
Speaker 4: a lot of energy. So I don't know some if
52:11
Speaker 4: you have anything to add to that, but just there's
52:12
Speaker 4: there's something that you see on the grassroots level, probably
52:16
Speaker 4: with the DSA aligned candidates, which Abdul is not. He
52:19
Speaker 4: called himself a capitalist the other day, but you know
52:22
Speaker 4: he is Bernie support and that sort of thing that
52:24
Speaker 4: it is really getting people excited actually about organizing and
52:29
Speaker 4: that sort of thing.
52:31
Speaker 9: Yeah, and Democratic voters in Detroit have been desperate to
52:34
Speaker 9: get excited about something, and our voter turnout in the
52:37
Speaker 9: city all across the state is you know, typically really
52:39
Speaker 9: really low. When you ask clerk, you know, what are
52:41
Speaker 9: they doing wrong? How can we increase voter turnout, they'll say, well,
52:44
Speaker 9: it's about the candidate too. You know, I think that
52:49
Speaker 9: you talked to James Cotton at the Northwest Activity Centering yesterday.
52:52
Speaker 9: You know what he said was we're ready, we need change,
52:55
Speaker 9: we need somebody different, And I think that's the sentiment
52:59
Speaker 9: felt by a lot of Democratic voters at the Michigan
53:01
Speaker 9: Democratic Party convention that Angie Smith was talking about. You
53:04
Speaker 9: saw progressives on the entire slate win, and so I
53:10
Speaker 9: do think that there's energy in Michigan. If Abdul does
53:15
Speaker 9: not win, does that electability conversation kind of flip?
53:20
Speaker 3: Right?
53:20
Speaker 9: Because I saw it in twenty four If people aren't excited,
53:25
Speaker 9: they're just not going to go vote.
53:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, one last one for you, Sam. I know it's
53:29
Speaker 2: a little bit outside of your coverage area, but we
53:32
Speaker 2: had Will Lawrence on the show as well, and our
53:35
Speaker 2: audience was really interested in him in the way that
53:37
Speaker 2: he was standing against. Data Center's polls seemed to show
53:40
Speaker 2: him up in that Democratic primary in Michigan's seventh congressional district.
53:45
Speaker 2: Do you have any sense of the dynamics there how
53:49
Speaker 2: you know whether a strong showing for Abduen may help
53:52
Speaker 2: some other progressive candidates across the finish line too.
53:55
Speaker 3: Well.
53:55
Speaker 9: You know something that I've been seeing is that just
53:58
Speaker 9: the cross canvassing going on between the aligned candidates.
54:01
Speaker 3: You mentioned that.
54:02
Speaker 10: Abdul called himself a capitalist.
54:04
Speaker 9: Typically, in my experience, that's enough for the DSA folks
54:08
Speaker 9: to just completely abandon you and say to hell with you.
54:11
Speaker 9: They have not done that with Abdul's a ed. I
54:13
Speaker 9: am seeing candidates, you know, from the state House Senate level,
54:19
Speaker 9: all cross canvassing, and I have not been to Lansing
54:22
Speaker 9: this cycle. I used to cover the state legislature, so
54:24
Speaker 9: I used to be over there to know what was
54:27
Speaker 9: going on. Jasmine Crockett and our former Michigan House speaker
54:31
Speaker 9: who was the first black House speaker, Joe Tate. He
54:34
Speaker 9: tried to run for mayor that didn't work out. Tried
54:37
Speaker 9: to run for US Senate in this race, if anybody
54:40
Speaker 9: remembers that early on, that did not work out either.
54:43
Speaker 9: And so Jasmine Crockett and Joe are supporting one of
54:48
Speaker 9: Will Lawrence's opponents. He's got two, and they're mad at
54:51
Speaker 9: each other because they think that they're going to split
54:53
Speaker 9: the vote and hand it to Will Lawrence.
54:55
Speaker 3: Now, I don't think it really matters.
54:56
Speaker 9: Will Lawrence announced that the day before election he's gonna
54:59
Speaker 9: do a walk across Lancing like he's Zorn or something, And.
55:03
Speaker 3: I don't know what.
55:04
Speaker 9: I think a pretty gray walk across Lancing, Michigan. Yeah,
55:10
Speaker 9: I do think that Will Lawrence is going to win
55:12
Speaker 9: that primary, just based on the fact that you know,
55:15
Speaker 9: no one else has has really captured the attention of
55:19
Speaker 9: those folks there. When when you talk to people in Lancing,
55:23
Speaker 9: you know, they're they're pretty uh uh, you know, looking
55:25
Speaker 9: already ahead to the to the general election.
55:29
Speaker 2: Well, Sam, I really want to thank you for your
55:30
Speaker 2: time this morning. I also want to thank you for
55:32
Speaker 2: your coverage, you know, getting clips from real voters on
55:35
Speaker 2: the ground and hearing them talk in their own language
55:38
Speaker 2: about who they're supporting, and why somebody trying to watch
55:41
Speaker 2: this race and follow it from the outside. It's truly
55:42
Speaker 2: been invaluable. I don't know why we don't seem more
55:45
Speaker 2: coverage like this in all the races. You seem to
55:47
Speaker 2: be doing something unique here, but it seems so so
55:49
Speaker 2: straight forward.
55:49
Speaker 10: No, I mean, it's literally what they tell you to
55:52
Speaker 10: do in the in the.
55:53
Speaker 9: School, right, and you go to generals, we interview people
55:56
Speaker 9: and have them say it in their own words.
55:58
Speaker 10: I don't know it's that hard for the in their face.
56:05
Speaker 2: Well, Sam, tell people where they can follow your work
56:08
Speaker 2: so that they can see some more coverage here heading
56:10
Speaker 2: into election day.
56:11
Speaker 9: Yeah, you can find me on Twitter at Samuel J.
56:15
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56:19
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56:23
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56:28
Speaker 10: So shout out to you guys. I appreciate it. Christ
56:30
Speaker 10: thank you.
56:30
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you, thank you so much.
56:34
Speaker 3: That'll do it for the Michigan Democratic primary. And let's
56:37
Speaker 3: take a quick look over at their Republican side where
56:40
Speaker 3: Representative Max Miller a lawsuit a restraining order has been
56:44
Speaker 3: filed against him. Now his wife Emily Moreno, who's also
56:48
Speaker 3: the daughter of Senator Bernie Moreno, also Republican, alleges that
56:54
Speaker 3: Max Miller held a gun to her head, pushed her
56:57
Speaker 3: against a wall, hit her head, and fractured the her
57:00
Speaker 3: daughter's collar bone and bruised her shoulder. Emily, what do
57:06
Speaker 3: you know about these two, both the Senator Bernie Moreno
57:11
Speaker 3: and Max Miller.
57:13
Speaker 4: Well, Bernie Moreno is a pretty popular new Republican senator,
57:18
Speaker 4: somebody who came in pretty recently in the Republican party
57:22
Speaker 4: and is seen as I mean, he was considered one
57:26
Speaker 4: of the highlights of the Fauci hearings politically this week,
57:29
Speaker 4: and he's the one who asked Fauci, who the fuck
57:32
Speaker 4: do you think you are? So's he's pretty well regarded
57:35
Speaker 4: and this is an obviously like stunning controversy to be
57:39
Speaker 4: playing out so close to him with I would say,
57:42
Speaker 4: so little reaction. I don't know, Krystal. That's the sense
57:46
Speaker 4: that you've gotten, given the severity of the allegations against
57:49
Speaker 4: his son in law and this is directly involving his daughter.
57:53
Speaker 4: There just seems to be right. Yes, yes, And Christal
57:57
Speaker 4: you can probably break some of this down better than
57:58
Speaker 4: I think because you've been following the story so closely.
58:01
Speaker 4: It's the level of these allegations is versus the level
58:06
Speaker 4: of coverage that they're getting, in the level of conversation
58:09
Speaker 4: that it's getting in Republican circles unbelievably out of whack
58:12
Speaker 4: given how severe the allegations are.
58:14
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, in terms of the allegations, Griffin summed them up.
58:19
Speaker 2: And by the way, these are not the first allegations
58:22
Speaker 2: of domestic abuse or violence against a romantic partner that
58:26
Speaker 2: Maxi Miller has faced. Stephanie Grisham, who was in the
58:29
Speaker 2: first Trump White House also alleged that violent behavior by him.
58:35
Speaker 2: And you know this happened before Trump and all the
58:37
Speaker 2: rest of the Republicans backed him for this election, so
58:41
Speaker 2: there was some knowledge of this. There's a clip that's
58:42
Speaker 2: floating now around of him and George Santos fighting on
58:46
Speaker 2: the floor of the house where he calls George Santos,
58:49
Speaker 2: I don't know a liar and achieved or something that
58:50
Speaker 2: is highly accurate, and George Santos replies, you're a woman beater.
58:55
Speaker 2: So clearly there were things that have been known for
58:58
Speaker 2: a while age about this guy, and so this all
59:02
Speaker 2: comes in the context of this. You know, his now
59:04
Speaker 2: ex wife, Emily Moreno, who in ugly divorce and custody hearings,
59:11
Speaker 2: has been this has not been like her making a
59:13
Speaker 2: political point. This is all being through court filings, you know,
59:16
Speaker 2: trying to get her self protected, her daughter protected, custody
59:19
Speaker 2: of her child, alleges this violent behavior, including suspicions that
59:24
Speaker 2: their two year old daughter had her collarbone broken by
59:28
Speaker 2: Max Miller and she told her mother, quote, Daddy's house
59:32
Speaker 2: is scary. So this is what I mean. It's just
59:35
Speaker 2: the most heinous allegations that you can possibly imagine, and again,
59:38
Speaker 2: someone who has faced these sort of allegations before the
59:41
Speaker 2: latest development here is a new restraining order that she
59:46
Speaker 2: has filed for where apparently Max Miller was unhinged towards
59:51
Speaker 2: her attorney, putting his hands on her attorney, where she
59:55
Speaker 2: had to say, hey, get your hands off my lawyer.
59:58
Speaker 2: He's apparently had unhinged behavior towards this attorney, her attorney before.
1:00:03
Speaker 2: So you know, meanwhile, Republicans have been totally silent. You know,
1:00:08
Speaker 2: many of the same people who five seconds ago were
1:00:11
Speaker 2: moralizing about Graham Plattner and the allegations that he faced,
1:00:14
Speaker 2: which Democrats and leftist immediately came out and said, this
1:00:17
Speaker 2: is unacceptable. You have to get out of the race. Suddenly,
1:00:19
Speaker 2: when we're talking about very credible allegations of serious domestic violence,
1:00:24
Speaker 2: they've got nothing to say. There is a deadline. This
1:00:28
Speaker 2: is an Ohio seat that Trump won by let's say
1:00:32
Speaker 2: eleven points, although I think it is winnable for a
1:00:35
Speaker 2: Democrat Bernie Moreno when he was running for Senate in
1:00:38
Speaker 2: this particular district, I think he only won the district
1:00:40
Speaker 2: by one point. So Trump performs particularly well. I think
1:00:42
Speaker 2: it is possible for a Democrat to be able to
1:00:45
Speaker 2: win the seat. There is an August fifth deadline to
1:00:48
Speaker 2: you know, get Max Miller off the ballot, kind of
1:00:50
Speaker 2: Graham Platner style, and get someone else in there that
1:00:52
Speaker 2: is rapidly approaching. And Republicans seemed to be standing in
1:00:56
Speaker 2: lockstep with this guy, including Bernie Moreno, who to your point,
1:01:00
Speaker 2: Griffin the screen here, Yeah, this is his daughter and granddaughter,
1:01:05
Speaker 2: and he is not taking a public stand against the
1:01:08
Speaker 2: man that her daughter says is her and her and
1:01:11
Speaker 2: her child's abuser. So he says, yeah, he says Cenaer
1:01:15
Speaker 2: Marino's top priorities the safety and well being and this
1:01:18
Speaker 2: doesn't even come from him as from a staffer, is
1:01:20
Speaker 2: safety and well being of his daughter and granddaughter. While
1:01:23
Speaker 2: he does not litigate these matters in the media, respond
1:01:25
Speaker 2: to baseless public attacks, don't know what that means, he
1:01:28
Speaker 2: will do whatever it takes to ensure a just outcome
1:01:31
Speaker 2: for his family. So really, just grotesque power preserving behavior
1:01:36
Speaker 2: all around here from the Republicans. And you sure certainly
1:01:39
Speaker 2: should never take them seriously. I mean not that you
1:01:41
Speaker 2: should have anyway, given everything that they've accepted about Trump,
1:01:44
Speaker 2: and you know, his alleged crimes and treatment of women,
1:01:48
Speaker 2: but in any case, quite clear that they have no
1:01:52
Speaker 2: interest in, you know, any sort of moral red lines,
1:01:56
Speaker 2: even when it comes to violence against women here when
1:01:58
Speaker 2: they want to preserve their majority.
1:02:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, to beat up doctor Fauci, eighty five year old
1:02:05
Speaker 3: doctor Fauci. But when your own granddaughter's collar bone is broken, Uh,
1:02:10
Speaker 3: nothing to say there, Emily, what were you going to say?
1:02:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's happening behind closed
1:02:16
Speaker 4: doors legally, if there's something going on that they don't
1:02:18
Speaker 4: want to talk about, I have no idea. But it
1:02:20
Speaker 4: reminds me so much of what's been happening with Corey
1:02:22
Speaker 4: Mills over the last couple of years. Corey Mills remains
1:02:24
Speaker 4: a member of Congress, and basically nobody talks about the
1:02:28
Speaker 4: serious allegations, very serious, detailed allegations of domestic abuse that
1:02:34
Speaker 4: Corey Mills has faced from multiple people. He's faced allegations
1:02:38
Speaker 4: of misconduct. So he's still sitting in Congress, he's still voting,
1:02:42
Speaker 4: he's still acting business as usual, and it's you know,
1:02:46
Speaker 4: I think Nancy Mace filed the motion to expel Corey
1:02:49
Speaker 4: Mills back in the spring, probably like April. But it's
1:02:54
Speaker 4: just it's a new era. It feels like it's a
1:02:58
Speaker 4: new era in politics that when the allegations are made publicly,
1:03:02
Speaker 4: maybe in years past, like decades past, things would be
1:03:05
Speaker 4: happening privately and the boys would, you know, joke about
1:03:08
Speaker 4: it in the proverbial smoke field back rooms, which are
1:03:11
Speaker 4: obviously very real. But now these are public allegations and
1:03:15
Speaker 4: you just see people going about business as usual and
1:03:18
Speaker 4: it's deeply, deeply bizarre. And the Quary Mills example is
1:03:22
Speaker 4: one that I can never get out of my head.
1:03:24
Speaker 4: He just goes about life like business as usual in
1:03:27
Speaker 4: Capitol Hill and the allegations against him are horrific and
1:03:31
Speaker 4: really credible.
1:03:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's absolutely right, And I think there's a media
1:03:35
Speaker 2: story here too. And then we can play this Jim
1:03:37
Speaker 2: Jordan clip because you know, I think his handling I'm
1:03:41
Speaker 2: in Jim Jordan represents a district in Ohio is quite emblematic.
1:03:44
Speaker 2: But imti's starting to cover this more at this point.
1:03:48
Speaker 2: But you compare it to Graham Plattner, and it's night
1:03:51
Speaker 2: and day. I mean, you can also another example here
1:03:53
Speaker 2: is Ken Paxton, who was literally impeached by Republicans in
1:03:57
Speaker 2: Texas because of his misconduct and you know, all sorts
1:04:03
Speaker 2: of personal messiness. Will just call it but intersecting with
1:04:07
Speaker 2: abuse of his office in a corrupt manner. And you
1:04:11
Speaker 2: know that's that's barely spoken of whatsoever in terms of
1:04:14
Speaker 2: the national campaign coverage. But let's go ahead and cue
1:04:17
Speaker 2: up Jim Jordan here getting asked about this and just
1:04:20
Speaker 2: really refusing to respond to it at all.
1:04:24
Speaker 14: I also want to ask you about something a little
1:04:26
Speaker 14: closer to home. There is a colleague of yours in
1:04:30
Speaker 14: the Ohio delegation, Max Miller, who is facing allegations of
1:04:35
Speaker 14: abuse from an ex wife of the wife and is
1:04:39
Speaker 14: then toddler daughter. Do you think that Max Miller, who
1:04:44
Speaker 14: denies this abuse and he resigned from Congress in light.
1:04:48
Speaker 5: Of the accusations, Well, this is this is a family matter.
1:04:54
Speaker 5: I know Max a good man. I was up campaigning
1:04:56
Speaker 5: for him. I hope he wins re election. He's done
1:04:58
Speaker 5: a good job as a member of Congress, and we
1:05:00
Speaker 5: should all play for his family.
1:05:01
Speaker 7: These are difficult they're going through.
1:05:03
Speaker 5: We understand that, uh, these kinds of situations always are.
1:05:06
Speaker 5: But Max is a good member and a colleague, and
1:05:09
Speaker 5: hopefully he's gonna win re election. But ultimately, in the end,
1:05:11
Speaker 5: that's up to the that's up voters in his district.
1:05:13
Speaker 5: But yeah, we were off helping Max a few weeks
1:05:16
Speaker 5: ago at a campaign event up in his district in
1:05:19
Speaker 5: the northern part of our state.
1:05:20
Speaker 3: So I mean, it's just worth noting.
1:05:22
Speaker 4: I mean.
1:05:23
Speaker 14: The allegations include that Miller scalded his ex wife's chest
1:05:27
Speaker 14: and stomach when he threw hot water at her, that
1:05:28
Speaker 14: he held a gun to her head, that he pushed
1:05:30
Speaker 14: her against a wall and hit her in the head,
1:05:32
Speaker 14: that he fractured their daughter's collar bone and her shoulder.
1:05:35
Speaker 14: That his two year old daughter reportedly told his x
1:05:38
Speaker 14: Y quote, Daddy, I want to play for you what
1:05:41
Speaker 14: you said, And you were asked about Graham Platner, who
1:05:43
Speaker 14: faced allegations of abuse. I'm not let's watch what you told.
1:05:47
Speaker 14: I've not I've not heard all this. I've not heard
1:05:49
Speaker 14: all this. Well, it was in the New York Times.
1:05:51
Speaker 14: It was in the New York Times. That's a list
1:05:53
Speaker 14: of the allegations. It's been out there for a while.
1:05:55
Speaker 14: I just want to show you what you stold News
1:05:56
Speaker 14: Max when you saw that Graham Plattner was facing the actus.
1:06:01
Speaker 5: That's always been the case with Democrats. It's all about
1:06:04
Speaker 5: maintaining power. That will take any crazy position as long
1:06:08
Speaker 5: as it furthers their their ability to uh to win
1:06:11
Speaker 5: elections and get power, and frankly, to go against anyone
1:06:16
Speaker 5: who goes against President Trump.
1:06:18
Speaker 14: Why does that not apply here to Republicans who want
1:06:21
Speaker 14: to keep power in this team.
1:06:23
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know the context of the question I
1:06:25
Speaker 5: was asked about mister Plattner, but my guess was it
1:06:28
Speaker 5: was about all the ridiculous positions he's taken. Nazi, the
1:06:34
Speaker 5: Nazi tattoo and everything else. Yeah, Well, I don't I
1:06:38
Speaker 5: don't know. I didn't, I didn't answer. I don't know
1:06:40
Speaker 5: that I answered that question. I think I was dealing
1:06:42
Speaker 5: with just who he was as a candidate and the
1:06:44
Speaker 5: crazy anti Semitic, anti Israel, pro Nazi positions that he
1:06:48
Speaker 5: has taken.
1:06:49
Speaker 7: I think is evidenced by the fact they.
1:06:51
Speaker 5: Had a what a Nazi tattoo on his chest? All right?
1:06:54
Speaker 4: Congishman Jim Jordan's.
1:06:57
Speaker 3: Went in doubt, Nazi tattoo, nothing tattoo.
1:07:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also, oh, I don't know about those allegations.
1:07:03
Speaker 2: I mean he literally said, I know, Max, he's a
1:07:06
Speaker 2: good guy. He's a great colleague. I'm going campaign for him.
1:07:10
Speaker 2: I'll begin with him. Yeah, I hope he gets re elected. Okay, well,
1:07:14
Speaker 2: you're saying he's a good guy. I mean, no one
1:07:16
Speaker 2: should believe that he hasn't taken a look at what
1:07:18
Speaker 2: the allegations are as just you know, preposterous to imagine
1:07:22
Speaker 2: that he hasn't bothered to acquaint himself with the very serious,
1:07:27
Speaker 2: very serious allegations against someone that he not only serves
1:07:29
Speaker 2: with in Congress, but is helping campaign for and is
1:07:32
Speaker 2: a member of his home state delegation. It's exact same.
1:07:34
Speaker 2: They always do this with Trump too, when Trump does
1:07:36
Speaker 2: something or says something, or some allegation against Trump that
1:07:39
Speaker 2: they find too uncomfortable to defend. It's just, oh, I
1:07:42
Speaker 2: haven't seen that. I didn't read that, I didn't see
1:07:43
Speaker 2: the tweet, I haven't watched the clip. Next question, It.
1:07:47
Speaker 4: Wouldn't completely surprise me if Jim Jordan had just taken
1:07:52
Speaker 4: Staff's word for it and said, like, brief me on it.
1:07:55
Speaker 4: And it's just a thing where people don't take this
1:07:58
Speaker 4: stuff seriously enough. And they know he's friends with Max Miller.
1:08:01
Speaker 4: They don't really want to rock the boat. So I
1:08:03
Speaker 4: genuinely have no idea. It does seem hard to believe,
1:08:05
Speaker 4: given that, as casey Up pointed out, it was in
1:08:08
Speaker 4: the New York Times. The saga has been unfolding over
1:08:11
Speaker 4: many months, sadly, so it's clearly not being taken seriously enough.
1:08:15
Speaker 4: I don't know if Bernie Moreno has communicated something to
1:08:19
Speaker 4: other Republicans. That's exactly what Jim Jordan's started by saying
1:08:23
Speaker 4: it's a family matter and praying for them, and you
1:08:27
Speaker 4: know that's all going to be dealt with privately. Like
1:08:30
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's what they're getting from Moreno.
1:08:32
Speaker 4: That seems to me like that would be maybe one
1:08:34
Speaker 4: of the reasons that they would try to just close
1:08:37
Speaker 4: the case and move on. But they're not going to
1:08:40
Speaker 4: be able to. They're clearly not going to be able to.
1:08:42
Speaker 4: So it's just I don't know's I think everybody's used
1:08:46
Speaker 4: to this by now, but it's kind of sad to
1:08:48
Speaker 4: be numb to.
1:08:50
Speaker 2: The Democratic opponent in the district. You know, I don't
1:08:53
Speaker 2: know a lot about him, but he seems relatively strong.
1:08:56
Speaker 2: He is a union iron worker elected local official, seems
1:09:01
Speaker 2: to sort of model his policy positions after like a
1:09:04
Speaker 2: shared Brown sort of a populist candidate the district. I
1:09:09
Speaker 2: know the area relatively well. It's like an outside of
1:09:11
Speaker 2: Cleveland kind of suburban Ohio district. So you know, I
1:09:15
Speaker 2: think I think if Maximilla remains on the ballot, he'll
1:09:18
Speaker 2: probably have a shot at this thing. I'm actually interested
1:09:21
Speaker 2: in interviewing him, learning a little bit more about him,
1:09:23
Speaker 2: given that this race is getting so much national attention now.
1:09:28
Speaker 2: So in any case, I don't know if their goal
1:09:30
Speaker 2: is just to like maintain their grip on power here.
1:09:32
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that they're even making the right pragmatic
1:09:35
Speaker 2: decision because I'm not sure that mister alleged wife beater
1:09:39
Speaker 2: is probably their strongest candidate going into the general election here.
1:09:43
Speaker 4: I believe the vig Ramaswami got booed off stage over
1:09:46
Speaker 4: his position on data centers recently, And I bring that
1:09:48
Speaker 4: up just to say, on a political level, what's happening
1:09:52
Speaker 4: in Ohio is so underappreciated right now. This is a
1:09:56
Speaker 4: state that went solidly read during the Trump era, and
1:10:00
Speaker 4: I think is actually really really on the map for Democrats.
1:10:03
Speaker 4: I think as of right now, shared Brown is more
1:10:06
Speaker 4: likely to win than to lose, and things can change.
1:10:09
Speaker 4: It looks like with they are on war, things are
1:10:10
Speaker 4: only going to get worse for Republicans. They're going to
1:10:13
Speaker 4: hope to tie everybody from shared Brown to A to
1:10:17
Speaker 4: the D S A. And you know, they think that's
1:10:19
Speaker 4: going to be helpful and they can squeeze some juice
1:10:22
Speaker 4: out of it and motivate Republican voters and scare off
1:10:25
Speaker 4: kind of independent type voters and that might, you know,
1:10:29
Speaker 4: carry some water, but it's going to be tough in
1:10:33
Speaker 4: a place like Ohio where people want to talk about
1:10:36
Speaker 4: kitchen table stuff like data centers that are popping up
1:10:39
Speaker 4: all over the state.
1:10:47
Speaker 15: We've gotta centers. We want to between winners and between those.
1:11:02
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Okay, So that's at a Young American
1:11:09
Speaker 4: for Liberty. That's at a Young Americans for Liberty convention.
1:11:12
Speaker 4: So that's not like Ohio voters, just to be clear,
1:11:16
Speaker 4: but that's take that probably does even worse. Yeah, that
1:11:21
Speaker 4: actually was in Ohio. It looks like he's talking about.
1:11:25
Speaker 3: The whining from the data centers making all the noise.
1:11:30
Speaker 2: Young Americans for Liberty? What's there? Like? Are they like
1:11:32
Speaker 2: more libertarian?
1:11:33
Speaker 9: Like?
1:11:34
Speaker 2: Are they like this mass like? What's their deal?
1:11:36
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, they're they're libertarian, So that's that there would
1:11:40
Speaker 4: be like Massy types or Ron Paul types. But also
1:11:45
Speaker 4: I'm sure there are plenty of accelerationists in there, so
1:11:48
Speaker 4: it probably was you know a handful of people who
1:11:50
Speaker 4: are massy pilled, who are horrified by like the crony
1:11:54
Speaker 4: capitalism element of the data centers. So it's fascinating and
1:11:59
Speaker 4: on the tape.
1:12:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think data centers they would actually be like,
1:12:04
Speaker 2: you know, oh, the free market wants data centers, so
1:12:07
Speaker 2: deal with it, homeowner, you know. I mean, that would
1:12:09
Speaker 2: be kind of the traditional libertarian position. And so it
1:12:12
Speaker 2: just shows you the political cross currents of the data
1:12:16
Speaker 2: center issue. There was another moment when I think he
1:12:19
Speaker 2: actually did get booed off stage where he said something like, look, guys,
1:12:24
Speaker 2: the truth of the matter is my generation's going to
1:12:26
Speaker 2: be fine, and they were like, fuck you get on
1:12:28
Speaker 2: the stage. They were he was not reading the room
1:12:32
Speaker 2: that well in this speech, I would say, and the
1:12:36
Speaker 2: polling that I've seen in the Ohio governor's race, his
1:12:38
Speaker 2: Democratic opponent is Amy Acton, has been very close. I've
1:12:42
Speaker 2: seen him with like a one or two point edge,
1:12:44
Speaker 2: but that it's really been on kind of a knife's edge,
1:12:47
Speaker 2: which to your point, Emily, I mean, this should be
1:12:49
Speaker 2: a state that Republicans just have done and dusted. It
1:12:51
Speaker 2: reminds a bit of what's going on in Iowa too,
1:12:54
Speaker 2: where I think Democrats have a very solid chance of
1:12:56
Speaker 2: winning both the Senate and the governor's mansion. These are
1:12:59
Speaker 2: states that have been hard hit by Trump's policies. And Ohio.
1:13:04
Speaker 2: I used to live in Ohio and it is the
1:13:08
Speaker 2: epicenter of the Trump phenomenon. Like the districts, the counties
1:13:13
Speaker 2: that shifted the hardest to the right and voted, you know,
1:13:17
Speaker 2: the most overwhelmingly for Trump, they were places like Youngstown
1:13:20
Speaker 2: in Ohio. They those are the districts that have made
1:13:24
Speaker 2: the most dramatic shift to the bid places exactly yes,
1:13:28
Speaker 2: exactly right. And so you know, to see some bubbling
1:13:32
Speaker 2: discontent there in the sense that like, we did not
1:13:35
Speaker 2: get what we were promised and this didn't work out
1:13:38
Speaker 2: the way that we were told it would work out.
1:13:40
Speaker 2: I think that's a really fascinating political development.
1:13:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree with that. It's places where you
1:13:46
Speaker 4: have Obama Trump Biden Trump voters or Obama Trump Trump
1:13:52
Speaker 4: then uh maybe shared brown voters.
1:13:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well, gop Finger on the pulse as always.
1:13:59
Speaker 3: Let's get to the AMA. Well, hey, it's that time
1:14:03
Speaker 3: of the week where we read some of your written
1:14:06
Speaker 3: submitted questions from the AMA, which you can do, of
1:14:09
Speaker 3: course if you become a member at Breakingpoints dot com,
1:14:12
Speaker 3: and the place to write a question is in every
1:14:16
Speaker 3: daily show email. Why don't we start, for one addressed
1:14:20
Speaker 3: to the amazing Emily. Is there a behind the scenes
1:14:23
Speaker 3: Trump World competition?
1:14:25
Speaker 2: No?
1:14:27
Speaker 4: I got that one yet. I got that one the
1:14:29
Speaker 4: other day. I know exactly what it is to be
1:14:33
Speaker 4: the new Lindsay Gram.
1:14:35
Speaker 3: To become the new Lindsay Gram, Trump needs a person
1:14:38
Speaker 3: who can reinsure his war decision and talk about musicals.
1:14:41
Speaker 3: So it can't just be a warmongerer. They also have
1:14:44
Speaker 3: to be uh, you know, a little a little bit
1:14:47
Speaker 3: of a dandy with it.
1:14:48
Speaker 4: Uh what HAPPI he I don't know how Pavaratti feels
1:14:53
Speaker 4: about war?
1:14:55
Speaker 3: But who's that Pavarati?
1:14:59
Speaker 4: Yeah?
1:15:00
Speaker 3: Is that the Pavarotti that reminds me of that saying
1:15:03
Speaker 3: about the clown that goes to the doctor Pagliacci. Who's Pavaratti?
1:15:11
Speaker 8: Oh?
1:15:12
Speaker 4: He passed into thousan is first Ama ever.
1:15:19
Speaker 3: So we need another, we need another, uh preferably closeted,
1:15:25
Speaker 3: but we need we need we need a new Lindsay
1:15:27
Speaker 3: Graham who is waiting in the wings, who will be
1:15:30
Speaker 3: the next one out there to you know, ride or
1:15:33
Speaker 3: die for this in any war. I mean, surely there's
1:15:36
Speaker 3: a general consensus about Republicans, but just the skill and
1:15:40
Speaker 3: the you know, will we never see anyone like it?
1:15:45
Speaker 4: You know, there's there will be nobody like Lindsay Graham.
1:15:49
Speaker 3: That's that's I don't want to live in this world.
1:15:53
Speaker 4: Can we say, while we're talking about Lindsay Graham the
1:15:56
Speaker 4: interview we did this week with the documentarian who spent
1:15:58
Speaker 4: four and a half years following Lindsay Graham around. When
1:16:02
Speaker 4: I was talking to him the question that I asked
1:16:05
Speaker 4: about people might remember this when I said something like,
1:16:07
Speaker 4: so presumably net and Yahoo was being told hey, you
1:16:11
Speaker 4: know before because he was with Lindsay Graham filming this,
1:16:14
Speaker 4: and so he would have heard Lindsay Graham saying just
1:16:16
Speaker 4: s heads up, I have a documentary crew with me.
1:16:18
Speaker 4: Or he would have seen Lindsay Graham shooting a text
1:16:20
Speaker 4: to the net Yaho camms people or net Yahoo himself
1:16:23
Speaker 4: saying like, just he told us that he does not
1:16:26
Speaker 4: believe he thinks it was it was more than likely
1:16:29
Speaker 4: that Nenton Yahoo and all of this footage that we're
1:16:32
Speaker 4: going to see the documentary and that we saw on
1:16:33
Speaker 4: the show the other day, did not know that he
1:16:35
Speaker 4: was on camera. That is the level of diva it
1:16:41
Speaker 4: takes to pull that off with the Prime Minister of Israel.
1:16:45
Speaker 3: I love that he didn't even tell Nen Yahoo he's filming.
1:16:48
Speaker 3: He's just like, oh yeah, sure, let's ring him up.
1:16:50
Speaker 3: Let's ring him up.
1:16:52
Speaker 4: Real housewives level. It's incredible.
1:16:54
Speaker 3: It was good stuff. So yeah, I mean, I guess user,
1:16:59
Speaker 3: it's irrap and unforgettable. That's just who you are, all right,
1:17:07
Speaker 3: Carmen Yaya, I'm gonna slaughter this last name, Yaya Muyanis.
1:17:12
Speaker 3: Can someone address the DSA platform that was recently updated.
1:17:15
Speaker 3: I support many of the DSA candidates that you have interviewed,
1:17:18
Speaker 3: but then the less the platform has some extreme language
1:17:21
Speaker 3: that's quite concerning. All right, Emily, let's get to work. Example,
1:17:24
Speaker 3: this is.
1:17:24
Speaker 4: A great question for you, Griffin, for the.
1:17:27
Speaker 3: For the working class to government. We need a new
1:17:29
Speaker 3: political system and political corruption, legalized bribery, get rid of
1:17:32
Speaker 3: lobbyist Okay, all that stuff, I guess they agree with. Okay,
1:17:36
Speaker 3: Abolish the electoral College, replace the President and Supreme Court
1:17:40
Speaker 3: with an executive and judiciary shit judiciary chosen by and
1:17:44
Speaker 3: subordinate to Congress. Congress will be at the highest and
1:17:48
Speaker 3: abolish the President and the Supreme Court. Just do away
1:17:51
Speaker 3: with the three branches of government. We've seen socialist ideas
1:17:55
Speaker 3: go down a bad path Nicaragua and Ortega. And just
1:18:00
Speaker 3: to help us out with this a m A question,
1:18:02
Speaker 3: we have the DSA Supreme leader Crystal Ball here.
1:18:11
Speaker 2: No one assassinate me she.
1:18:15
Speaker 3: Is, she is not, and she is not a paid
1:18:18
Speaker 3: dues paying membering she.
1:18:21
Speaker 4: Was like packed the courts. It's time.
1:18:26
Speaker 3: The question is Crystal that this user is very scared
1:18:30
Speaker 3: of some She likes the DSA candidates we have on
1:18:32
Speaker 3: but she's scared of some of the dssay's I guess
1:18:35
Speaker 3: national platform something that Francesca Hang recently spoke about in
1:18:40
Speaker 3: her latest debate, and I think specifically on re ordering
1:18:43
Speaker 3: the branches of government.
1:18:46
Speaker 2: Do you have any that part I have no qualms about.
1:18:49
Speaker 2: I mean, who can look at this and say this
1:18:50
Speaker 2: is going great? Yeah? The Senate working amazing, loving that
1:18:53
Speaker 2: Supreme War. That part I have absolutely no qualms about.
1:18:57
Speaker 2: And you know, on the like defund the leaves and
1:19:00
Speaker 2: prison abolition and that stuff gets brought up a lot.
1:19:03
Speaker 2: I'm gonna steal a term here from my brilliant, amazing husband,
1:19:07
Speaker 2: which is law and order leftism, which is how I
1:19:10
Speaker 2: identify at this point, because in my opinion, we need
1:19:13
Speaker 2: to be building more prisons to lock up all of
1:19:15
Speaker 2: the Trump regime criminals and the Ice thugs. And I
1:19:18
Speaker 2: think that I can't speak for everyone, but I think
1:19:21
Speaker 2: I speak for where a lot of the left is
1:19:22
Speaker 2: at this point on that one.
1:19:25
Speaker 16: More prisons, Yeah, organically specifically for you know, the people
1:19:32
Speaker 16: who the elites who need to be held accountable for
1:19:34
Speaker 16: their crimes during this era.
1:19:36
Speaker 4: Public prisons, mandatory howardson reading.
1:19:41
Speaker 3: Re education camps I keep, Yeah, we have to keep.
1:19:45
Speaker 3: I'm keeping Alligator Alcatraz warm for future uses. But and
1:19:52
Speaker 3: did you guys, yeah, it would be it would be. Yeah, Emily,
1:19:58
Speaker 3: talk to me more about because there are some things
1:20:01
Speaker 3: you say that you agree with, some of the DSA stuff,
1:20:04
Speaker 3: but then some of it, obviously I believe, like probably
1:20:07
Speaker 3: police in prison go too far. But let's focus just
1:20:10
Speaker 3: on what this user is talking about with these branches
1:20:14
Speaker 3: of government, How do you feel about the branches of government?
1:20:18
Speaker 4: Well, I totally support abolishing the filibuster one hundred percent
1:20:22
Speaker 4: of sport abolishing the filibuster. I definitely don't support packing
1:20:25
Speaker 4: the court. I think the system is intentionally difficult. It's
1:20:29
Speaker 4: obviously not working right now, and I think probably the
1:20:32
Speaker 4: biggest way to deal with that is to get money
1:20:34
Speaker 4: the fuck out of the system and then it would
1:20:38
Speaker 4: would function, would do a way that's it's still slow.
1:20:41
Speaker 4: It would still be slow. It's intentionally supposed to be
1:20:43
Speaker 4: slow because it's not direct democracy. But and that's a
1:20:46
Speaker 4: lot of the complaints about the Supreme Court, like, uh,
1:20:50
Speaker 4: you know, see DSA people going on or the Electoral College,
1:20:53
Speaker 4: I should say, see DYSA people going on Fox News
1:20:55
Speaker 4: and they're saying it's anti democratic for example, It's like
1:20:58
Speaker 4: it is anti democratic because we don't don't live in
1:21:00
Speaker 4: a direct democracy. And I'm more comfortable with some of
1:21:02
Speaker 4: that stuff than probably others are. But I think it
1:21:04
Speaker 4: was functioning much better when we didn't have the post
1:21:07
Speaker 4: citizens United system. And yeah, it's just been totally bought
1:21:12
Speaker 4: and paid for by special interests at this point.
1:21:15
Speaker 3: It will be interesting to see where DSA is in
1:21:19
Speaker 3: five years from now, especially if they have a lot
1:21:21
Speaker 3: more elected in office, because a lot of these policies
1:21:25
Speaker 3: have been spoken about in very small rooms with the
1:21:28
Speaker 3: very small groups of people that are now being litigated nationally.
1:21:32
Speaker 3: I mean, some of the votes for some of these resolutions,
1:21:35
Speaker 3: you know, are are like a fifty to one hundred
1:21:38
Speaker 3: vote you know, win on some of these policy proposals.
1:21:41
Speaker 3: So it's like sometimes groups of like three to five
1:21:44
Speaker 3: hundred people making decisions on these on these platforms, and
1:21:47
Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see as it grows, is it
1:21:49
Speaker 3: going to grow in a more liberal direction, Like are
1:21:53
Speaker 3: more liberals going to flood into DSA, And will there
1:21:56
Speaker 3: all of a sudden be more of a moderation on
1:21:58
Speaker 3: these national policies. It'll be very interesting to see.
1:22:01
Speaker 2: The one other thing that I'll say is this kind
1:22:04
Speaker 2: of came out in my interview with Adam Smith because
1:22:06
Speaker 2: he was making a lot of the DSA platform and
1:22:09
Speaker 2: so I wanted to pin him down on Okay, well,
1:22:11
Speaker 2: tell me about the specific candidates and the policies that
1:22:14
Speaker 2: they've been pushing forward and acknowledging that like you know,
1:22:18
Speaker 2: Daria Lisa in particular has said some things that I
1:22:20
Speaker 2: think are genuinely radical. But you know, as just as
1:22:24
Speaker 2: it's unfair to say every DSA aligned candidate supports exactly
1:22:28
Speaker 2: the same things. And by the way, some of the
1:22:29
Speaker 2: candidates we're talking about, like Abdula is not even a
1:22:31
Speaker 2: DSA guy. But you know, I said, well, do you
1:22:36
Speaker 2: agree with every word of the Democratic Party platform? He's
1:22:38
Speaker 2: like no. It's like, okay, well what are we doing
1:22:40
Speaker 2: here then? But the whole point is, you know, I
1:22:44
Speaker 2: think people will engage a lot more with the actual
1:22:47
Speaker 2: candidates themselves and the way that they comport themselves and
1:22:51
Speaker 2: the policies that they push forward versus you know, what
1:22:55
Speaker 2: is theoretically on the DSA policy platform. And Zorn has
1:23:01
Speaker 2: been you know, really important in that because there was
1:23:04
Speaker 2: a lot oh my god, there's gonna be breadlines, Oh
1:23:06
Speaker 2: my god, there's going to be you know, it's communism,
1:23:08
Speaker 2: it's sharia law, there's all the women are going to
1:23:10
Speaker 2: be forced into their homes and wearing a jut like
1:23:12
Speaker 2: all sorts of crazy stuff. And turns out he's just
1:23:17
Speaker 2: more and more popular the longer the time goes on.
1:23:20
Speaker 2: He is not a scary guy. The policies he's pushing
1:23:24
Speaker 2: are really really popular, and people seem to like them.
1:23:26
Speaker 2: So I think the more that you have examples of
1:23:29
Speaker 2: what socialist governance looks like in reality, not the scary
1:23:34
Speaker 2: caricature of it, the better served these uh, these candidates
1:23:38
Speaker 2: in the movement will be yes.
1:23:39
Speaker 3: And as as life becomes shittier for anyone under forty, listen,
1:23:44
Speaker 3: if you want to keep the president, buy me a house.
1:23:47
Speaker 3: That's what my advice to people scared of me has said. Yeah,
1:23:54
Speaker 3: all right, So this one's from Christian Jay, Chicas, Emily
1:23:57
Speaker 3: and Griffin. Were you politically engaged in the twenty sixteen
1:24:01
Speaker 3: primaries and if so, who would have you supported him?
1:24:04
Speaker 3: On the Republicans running in the primary?
1:24:06
Speaker 4: Crisa, Why were you interested in who Griffin would have
1:24:08
Speaker 4: supported in the Republican.
1:24:10
Speaker 3: I remember I'm a member of the Young Republicans. I'm
1:24:12
Speaker 3: also a gamer for Doze. So this is this is
1:24:15
Speaker 3: this makes sense.
1:24:17
Speaker 2: I got to look back at that list. I can't
1:24:19
Speaker 2: even remember who all was running at that point.
1:24:22
Speaker 3: I forgot Marco, basic Graham, Lindsay, I got to go Lindsay.
1:24:29
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I worked at.
1:24:31
Speaker 4: A nonprofit at the time that was like, it couldn't
1:24:33
Speaker 4: be political, so I would have to go on Fox
1:24:35
Speaker 4: News and they would be like, so, you know, isn't
1:24:37
Speaker 4: this person better than this person? And I would have
1:24:39
Speaker 4: to be like, well, blah blah blah. I sent Rubio
1:24:43
Speaker 4: like sixty bucks. I think of twenty sixteen.
1:24:45
Speaker 3: Nice.
1:24:47
Speaker 2: I think I was definitely forgot about that.
1:24:49
Speaker 3: I think wow, I think I was definitely lived out
1:24:52
Speaker 3: enough to think, oh yeah, yeah.
1:24:55
Speaker 2: Random Carson are Chris Christie oh Man, and Rick Santorum.
1:25:04
Speaker 4: If I could take it back, it would be rand
1:25:06
Speaker 4: I would I would go back. But I just don't
1:25:08
Speaker 4: support politicians anymore, Like, not a single one of them.
1:25:10
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm done.
1:25:13
Speaker 2: Hold on, I have to finish this list because there's
1:25:15
Speaker 2: some more bangers in here. Are you ready for this one?
1:25:18
Speaker 2: George Pataki? Yeah, who I remember there was an incident
1:25:24
Speaker 2: where somebody was like, following his campaign to do a
1:25:26
Speaker 2: piece on him. They went to some event where literally
1:25:28
Speaker 2: no one showed up, like maybe like one person that
1:25:31
Speaker 2: was it. Bobby Jindall, your guy, Jim Gilmore, Scott Walker,
1:25:36
Speaker 2: and Rick Perry.
1:25:41
Speaker 4: He was great hope. He was the great hope of
1:25:43
Speaker 4: the Republican Party for you destroyed.
1:25:45
Speaker 2: It all with that State of the Union response where
1:25:48
Speaker 2: he was just like sort of like cartoonish.
1:25:51
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember my favorite moment was when Ben
1:25:54
Speaker 3: Carson didn't walk out on stage and he caused a
1:25:57
Speaker 3: huge pile up.
1:25:58
Speaker 4: Uh oh, yeah, I have him like Lindsay Graham's casket.
1:26:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a huge character.
1:26:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, huge pile up occurred. And then the only person
1:26:08
Speaker 3: that was like fuck it, Trump just said fuck it
1:26:10
Speaker 3: and he just like walked around the line and he
1:26:12
Speaker 3: went out. Uh So, yeah, incredible stuff. I liked Christy,
1:26:16
Speaker 3: and I do think in twenty sixteen, I was lived
1:26:18
Speaker 3: out enough to be like, if Trump is the nominee,
1:26:21
Speaker 3: we're gonna waltz in there or whatever. Like I didn't
1:26:25
Speaker 3: fully understand his power levels.
1:26:26
Speaker 2: Yet you were reading a lot of Jonathan shit at
1:26:28
Speaker 2: that point. He was making why liberals should be in
1:26:31
Speaker 2: favor of a Trump. Well, I mean, we all kind
1:26:33
Speaker 2: of were cheering for him because it was just so
1:26:34
Speaker 2: fun to watch him like Skewer Marco Rube, Little Marco
1:26:38
Speaker 2: and Jeb Bush, and I was it was a delight
1:26:42
Speaker 2: to watch it until it wasn't.
1:26:44
Speaker 3: There was a un factor in fairly was.
1:26:47
Speaker 2: On that one.
1:26:48
Speaker 4: We just had graduated co I graduated in May of
1:26:51
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, so literally the like weeks after he descended
1:26:55
Speaker 4: the elevator, and then I got into journalism like a
1:26:57
Speaker 4: year and a half after that. So in our defense, Griffin,
1:27:00
Speaker 4: we were young, yes.
1:27:02
Speaker 3: Yes, and I was a college dropout. So come on,
1:27:06
Speaker 3: all right? So next worst, yea even worse. So next
1:27:10
Speaker 3: one comes from Charles Fish. What is up with New
1:27:13
Speaker 3: Yorkers trying to exclude Mayor bam Donni from this year's
1:27:16
Speaker 3: nine to eleven event?
1:27:18
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is apparently just like basically a hoax.
1:27:22
Speaker 2: You haven't followed this, Emily No, Okay. New York Post
1:27:26
Speaker 2: wrote this whole article about how there's this petition signed
1:27:30
Speaker 2: on to by some three hundred nine to eleven families
1:27:33
Speaker 2: that are saying Zorn is anti American and sides with
1:27:37
Speaker 2: terrors or I don't know that they said it exactly
1:27:39
Speaker 2: like that, but that was basically the gist, and they
1:27:41
Speaker 2: don't want him at the nine to eleven memorial ceremonies,
1:27:45
Speaker 2: and so this was like a big thing. I'm surprised,
1:27:48
Speaker 2: and this seems like something that would be more in
1:27:50
Speaker 2: your right wing ecosystem than in mind quite frankly, and
1:27:53
Speaker 2: I wish I could tell you who the journalist was
1:27:55
Speaker 2: off the top of my head. But somebody actually reached
1:27:57
Speaker 2: out to this guy with this alleged petition and was like, okay,
1:28:01
Speaker 2: well tell me who are the families, Like how are
1:28:03
Speaker 2: you getting this count? And it turns out he's just like, well,
1:28:06
Speaker 2: that's my estimate based on my understanding of how this
1:28:12
Speaker 2: petition circulated. So it wasn't even like he'd specifically identified
1:28:17
Speaker 2: nine to eleven families that hatees soor on and don't
1:28:19
Speaker 2: want them at these things. He just was sort of like, well,
1:28:22
Speaker 2: like a thousand people signed on to this, and I'm
1:28:24
Speaker 2: going to say roughly maybe a third of them, or
1:28:26
Speaker 2: probably nine to eleven families. So Neer posts didn't do
1:28:30
Speaker 2: any of this background research, didn't test it because of
1:28:32
Speaker 2: course they're just like constantly looking for some way to
1:28:35
Speaker 2: have an anti mom Donnie headline. But effectively they got
1:28:39
Speaker 2: basically hoaxed with this thing. And it's not a real story, certainly,
1:28:44
Speaker 2: you know, the exact numbers are not correct whatsoever. They're
1:28:48
Speaker 2: just one dude who hates Ron's estimate of what he
1:28:51
Speaker 2: thinks the sentiment would.
1:28:52
Speaker 4: Be that's terrible, that's right, crazy, it's a terrible thing
1:28:57
Speaker 4: to do the nine to eleven families.
1:28:58
Speaker 2: Completely Yeah, words in their mouth and you know, using
1:29:02
Speaker 2: this like weaponizing this as some sort of a political
1:29:06
Speaker 2: political plot. Yeah, it's pretty disgusting. So anyway, that's what's
1:29:09
Speaker 2: going on.
1:29:09
Speaker 3: There, stealing valor from the nine to eleven families. I
1:29:12
Speaker 3: felt like we were all family after nine to eleven.
1:29:15
Speaker 3: And I will say to their point in point, in
1:29:19
Speaker 3: their favor, Mom, Donnie doesn't really have an alibi for
1:29:22
Speaker 3: where he was that day. He was I think like
1:29:26
Speaker 3: three and a half years.
1:29:27
Speaker 4: Old, but no, he would have been like twelve.
1:29:32
Speaker 3: Really, Oh yeah, you're right, Yeah, yeah, you're right because
1:29:35
Speaker 3: I remember watching it in fourth grade and where Emily?
1:29:40
Speaker 3: Where were you?
1:29:41
Speaker 2: According to Israel, that's military age, that's a military age
1:29:44
Speaker 2: male right there. So immediately, suspect.
1:29:48
Speaker 3: Emily, I remember where were you? Because I have this
1:29:51
Speaker 3: distinct memory of everyone like kind of our generation, like
1:29:55
Speaker 3: the teachers in my school just wheeled out a TV
1:29:58
Speaker 3: like on a cart and they just put it on
1:30:00
Speaker 3: with no context. They're just they're just like just figure
1:30:03
Speaker 3: it out. And I hear that's for at least on Twitter,
1:30:06
Speaker 3: as a lot of people's experienced.
1:30:07
Speaker 2: How old were you, Griven I was.
1:30:09
Speaker 3: In I was in third or fourth grade? I was
1:30:11
Speaker 3: in fourth That's.
1:30:12
Speaker 2: A crazy thing to just unfiltered put up in front
1:30:15
Speaker 2: of a bunch of kids.
1:30:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know it, it had just happened. It
1:30:20
Speaker 3: had already like both towers had been hit because we
1:30:22
Speaker 3: were on the West coast. So my parents turned it
1:30:24
Speaker 3: on and then took me to school and the teacher
1:30:26
Speaker 3: just wheeled it out on a cart and just kind
1:30:29
Speaker 3: of like left, was like, you guys, figure it out.
1:30:31
Speaker 3: And then the school is over and we just watched
1:30:33
Speaker 3: it for a couple hours and left.
1:30:35
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
1:30:36
Speaker 3: That is crazy.
1:30:38
Speaker 4: It seems wild inappropriate.
1:30:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, completely, Yeah, okay, and then let's do let's do
1:30:45
Speaker 3: one more here, Crystal, Why is your dog's name stinky?
1:30:50
Speaker 2: Her name is not stinky. Her name is Phoebe. That
1:30:53
Speaker 2: is Kyle's. That is Kyle's nickname for her because sometimes
1:30:58
Speaker 2: she's a little sinky, but we we love her anyway, all.
1:31:02
Speaker 3: Right, Kyla.
1:31:03
Speaker 2: Kyle is a big he's a big animal guy. He's
1:31:06
Speaker 2: like huge soft spot for any sort of animal and
1:31:11
Speaker 2: he's always making up like little songs for each of
1:31:14
Speaker 2: the pets have like different little songs that he sings
1:31:16
Speaker 2: to them and different little nicknames and stuff. Yeah, it's
1:31:19
Speaker 2: very cute.
1:31:23
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1:31:26
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