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Star Wars Visions Volume 3 Deep Dive Part 3 CCLXVIII · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance,
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  Speaker 2: your home on Geek Ultimate Alliance Podcast Network for any
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  Speaker 2: and all things Star Wars. First of all, guys, Happy Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 2: Second of all, with me as always is the man himself,
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  Speaker 2: Clay Clay, How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 3: I am doing okay. I was gonna say great, but
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  Speaker 3: I'll be completely honest. I'm surprised my hair is not gray.
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  Speaker 3: We we all know that I made the grandiose announcement
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  Speaker 3: of my new business and stuff, and uh, it's it's
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  Speaker 3: it's weird being a business owner on such a massive scale.
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  Speaker 3: And when I say a massive scale, I mean so
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  Speaker 3: like my business is legitimately a large undertaking and I'm
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  Speaker 3: just one person right now, and so it's like, ah,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm just losing all sorts of nuts and bolts
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  Speaker 3: inside of this thing.
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  Speaker 2: Like You're gonna do great and if anything, there's always
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  Speaker 2: hair dye.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like the lucky thing is, I will be
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  Speaker 3: completely honest. Looking at my both sides of my family,
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  Speaker 3: gray hair did not really begin to like really show
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  Speaker 3: in both of my grandparents until late sixties.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt already has several white hairs in his.
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  Speaker 3: I have like, I have like little like strands of
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  Speaker 3: random grays in here, but it's not like overtaking the
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  Speaker 3: full head of hair. Yeah. And so like with my grandparents,
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  Speaker 3: they were the same way, Like it didn't really start
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  Speaker 3: to take over until their late sixties.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotcha. Well, guys, the main topic for today
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  Speaker 2: is our final deep dive into Visions Volume three, where
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  Speaker 2: today we are tackling the sequels of this volume. Those
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  Speaker 2: sequels being the Dual Payback, the Ninth Jedi, Child of Hope,
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  Speaker 2: and the Lost Ones, which is a sequel to the
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  Speaker 2: Village Brat.
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  Speaker 3: I do want to ask you one thing before we
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  Speaker 3: actually get started. There has been a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: a controversy dealing with Visions this week. Do we want
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  Speaker 3: to talk about that now or would we like to
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  Speaker 3: talk about that next time we're actually live.
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  Speaker 2: We can talk about that right now.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine, okay. So, uh, I saw this I think
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  Speaker 3: literally twenty minutes before Katie sent it to me.
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  Speaker 2: Matt sent it to me first. Natt saw it and
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  Speaker 2: was like, dude, what the heck? How did Disney allow this?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, well, it's the studio's fault.
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  Speaker 3: Yeahs. So the the controversy that is coming around is
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  Speaker 3: that we have we uh not we, but the creator
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  Speaker 3: of this I guess fan edit on YouTube film fan film,
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  Speaker 3: a stunt double in Hollywood did a fan film, just
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  Speaker 3: a regular like the These are very popular. If you
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  Speaker 3: look up Star War Worst fan films, you can see
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  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of these types of films in the
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  Speaker 3: almost exact same setting in the woods, and it's just
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  Speaker 3: very popular. It's been very popular for a very very
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  Speaker 3: long time. Now. This stunt actor made this fan film
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  Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. The actual release of Volume two of
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  Speaker 3: Visions was in twenty twenty three, and it was early
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. It was I believe.
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  Speaker 2: In May May fourth, twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, May fourth, twenty twenty three, and it is verbatim
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  Speaker 3: as far as a camera shot and choreography, the exact
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  Speaker 3: same thing. Now, when Katie shared this with me, I
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  Speaker 3: had the exact same sentiment. I said, tech. I said,
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  Speaker 3: on a technicality, as somebody who likes to kind of
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  Speaker 3: shit on Disney whenever he can, I can't really do
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  Speaker 3: that right now because this is not at the fault
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  Speaker 3: of Disney. This is the production company from India that
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  Speaker 3: created this film or this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this episode is entitled The Bandits of Goloc
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  Speaker 2: and it's an Indian studio production company called eighty eight Pictures.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, like at some point Disney is also technically
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  Speaker 2: at fault for this because Disney released it. However, the
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  Speaker 2: studio in question should not have used should not have
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  Speaker 2: duplicated somebody else's work without providing credit at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, and not Unfortunately, because we live in
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  Speaker 2: a great age of social media and YouTube and all
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  Speaker 2: these things, if people get inspired by something, they're more
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  Speaker 2: than welcome to create fan films and everything off of this.
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  Speaker 2: So my point being is that there is a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of fan films out there. Disney is not going to
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  Speaker 2: be able to look at all of them unless it
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  Speaker 2: is pointed in their direction. Yes, the studio in and
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  Speaker 2: of itself should not have done this. Disney is not
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  Speaker 2: going to be able to catch everything. Lucasfilm is not
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  Speaker 2: going to be able to catch everything. That's not to
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  Speaker 2: say that they couldn't have caught this and let it go,
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  Speaker 2: but we don't know that at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think probably the best case scenario, right
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  Speaker 2: here for the creator. He's going to get credit in
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  Speaker 2: the episode and probably a payment for using his stuff,
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  Speaker 2: because this is not like somebody using a ship that's
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  Speaker 2: been fan created in comics where they don't it could
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  Speaker 2: have been reposted and like, people don't know that this
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  Speaker 2: isn't legitimate. No, this, this fan film definitely looks like
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  Speaker 2: it's been filmed on Earth. There's no way you can
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  Speaker 2: tell me that the studio or the person involved with
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  Speaker 2: animating this didn't know that it was a fan film
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  Speaker 2: that they were taking from at the end of the day. Like, so,
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  Speaker 2: I would hope that this person is going to get
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  Speaker 2: credit on some sort of payment for using his stuff
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  Speaker 2: without permission. However, this is Visions, this is not something
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  Speaker 2: done by Lucasfilm. So it's probably going to be passed
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  Speaker 2: back to eighty eight Pictures and Justin is going to
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  Speaker 2: be like, we're sorry, we didn't catch this. Please see
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  Speaker 2: eighty eight for damages. There's no damages here because it's
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  Speaker 2: a fan film. But ultimately he deserves credit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that with all of this that is happening,
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  Speaker 3: And I'm sorry to get on my soapbox again, guys,
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  Speaker 3: I know that you guys are probably tired of me,
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  Speaker 3: like just capitalism. But in the end, like I do
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  Speaker 3: hope that he gets more than just a like, okay, fine,
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  Speaker 3: we'll give you credit on the episode because he worked
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  Speaker 3: hard on that, Like that, that is something that took
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  Speaker 3: time and effort. Now, I really hope.
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  Speaker 2: It would have been one thing if it was just
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  Speaker 2: a stunt YouTube that they had taken from and like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna use this choreography. This is really good choreography
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  Speaker 2: because it's a fan film. Therein lies the issue is
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  Speaker 2: that Disney can just go hey, like, you're using our stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and that's it. It goes back to and people
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  Speaker 3: have already made this joke. Unfortunately, if people don't remember,
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  Speaker 3: there was a couple I think last year that was
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  Speaker 3: at one of the Disney parks. A female ate something
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  Speaker 3: that she was allergic to, and then Disney said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you can't sue us because you signed an NDA on
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  Speaker 3: when you made your Disney Plus account, like not an
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  Speaker 3: NDA but signed like basically the terms of service says
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  Speaker 3: you can never sue us. And so people were like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: if this guy who has this fan film has a
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  Speaker 3: Disney Plus account, he probably won't be able to sue them.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the that I was gonna make is I
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  Speaker 3: really hope that Disney doesn't just try to strong arm
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  Speaker 3: and say like, hey, if you want to challenge this,
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  Speaker 3: you can take us to court, knowing that they have
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  Speaker 3: the you know, the upper hand on money and lawyers
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  Speaker 3: and all of that stuff. And I don't think it's
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  Speaker 3: worth that. I think you just say, hey, this person
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  Speaker 3: did the work. M hm, they stole your work. Here
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  Speaker 3: is the credit, and here is the payout. Like I
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  Speaker 3: hope that it's just that simple.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it definitely means that eighty eight Pictures probably
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  Speaker 2: won't be worked with again, which is super sad because
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  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed their short Incisions volume two. But you
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  Speaker 2: can't steal other people's work.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not It's it okay at all.
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  Speaker 2: And I know, but we have speculated on things. We're
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  Speaker 2: not legal experts, so please don't go, oh well legally.
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  Speaker 5: Well yeah, yeah, we which is why I say, I
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  Speaker 5: hope it doesn't get dirty in the like legal stuff
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  Speaker 5: that you know we have seen Disney get into before.
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  Speaker 3: I really hope it doesn't get into that.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So to Visions Volume three.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Visions Volume three, I believe with how we spoke
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  Speaker 3: about it in our rankings, I'm just going to take
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  Speaker 3: a guess and you can kind of move these the
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  Speaker 3: way that you want to. We're going to do the Duel,
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  Speaker 3: the Lost Ones, and then the Ninth Jedi.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, I was just going to go into
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  Speaker 2: order of how they publicized, like the.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so the Ninth Jedi and then the Lost Ones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because realistically looking at it, and this is this
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  Speaker 2: is a spoiler, I basically on the second and deeper
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  Speaker 2: dive rewatch of these, I feel the exact same about
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  Speaker 2: all three basically.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So so the first one up then would be the
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  Speaker 2: Dual Payback, which is produced by Kama, Kazi, Douga and Anima.
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  Speaker 2: Is that how you pronounce yes? Okay? So that's the
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  Speaker 2: production Those are the production companies behind this one. So guys,
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  Speaker 2: we kind of have a section of three topics for this.
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  Speaker 2: We have our non spoiler reviews as we have kind
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  Speaker 2: of been doing, and then for this one, we have
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  Speaker 2: a how does it hold up as a sea? So
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  Speaker 2: after non spoilers will dive into that aspect, still trying
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  Speaker 2: to stay a little bit spoiler free, but like just
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  Speaker 2: kind of talking about that and getting it out of
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  Speaker 2: the way, because one of the things I did was
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  Speaker 2: I said, Okay, I'm gonna watch the original episode first
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  Speaker 2: and then go in for my deep dive watches, so
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  Speaker 2: I had everything fresh in my brain, so then after
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  Speaker 2: that we'll go into the deep dive element of it.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, oklay, why don't you dive into your non
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  Speaker 2: spoilers for the dual payback by Kama, Kazi Douga and Anama.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if in a perfect world, I didn't have so
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  Speaker 3: much breakable stuff next to me, I would throw something
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  Speaker 3: and I would say this was a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: poo poo I and and that will also kind of
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  Speaker 3: spoil my how does it do as far as the
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  Speaker 3: sequel goes? But this was extremely disappointing as far as
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  Speaker 3: watching this anticipating kind of and this is I guess
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  Speaker 3: a fault of my own. And I do know that
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  Speaker 3: Katie has the you know, we've talked about this in
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  Speaker 3: our rankings. We kind of had the same sentiment, but
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  Speaker 3: this having the bias of a sequel novel being released
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  Speaker 3: and then having this come out, I was expecting either
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  Speaker 3: an adaptation, like some small like adaptation of that or
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  Speaker 3: a reference to the novel as far as this goes,
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  Speaker 3: and it there was, it was was not that, and
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  Speaker 3: again that's my bias being in the way, but also
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  Speaker 3: when watching it, I felt like, when you watch these two,
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  Speaker 3: when you look at the first one and look at
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  Speaker 3: the second one, I will be okay with going back
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  Speaker 3: to the first, I probably won't go back to the duel,
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  Speaker 3: and the reason being I feel like there was a
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  Speaker 3: lot lacking in the storytelling it. The writing for these
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  Speaker 3: characters just did not feel as strong, and I think
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  Speaker 3: one of the reasons being in the original Duel in
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  Speaker 3: volume one, there was not really a like plot and
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  Speaker 3: that sounds really weird, but it was just, hey, stranger
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  Speaker 3: comes in, saves the day, and then Boom revealed to
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  Speaker 3: have a red lightsaber, Like it's just like whoa kind
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  Speaker 3: of thing. With this sequel, you have to then, of
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  Speaker 3: course follow up on that, and this didn't really feel
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  Speaker 3: like a follow up. It just felt like a random
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  Speaker 3: story with the same character.
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  Speaker 2: And that's kind of where Matt and I ended up
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  Speaker 2: with it as well. So first things first, I do
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  Speaker 2: think there's way too many things going on in this
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  Speaker 2: episode to really flush things out like the Duel does.
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  Speaker 2: There's way too many characters. Obviously, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: return of the Jedi inspiration in this episode, setting all
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  Speaker 2: of that up For people, especially who have not read
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  Speaker 2: the Ronan booked by Emma Mi Echo Kandan, it's a
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  Speaker 2: lot to take in, and especially considering you're expanding upon
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  Speaker 2: this mobile gaming slate, which looks super cool, there's not
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  Speaker 2: time to delve into those characters involved there that then
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  Speaker 2: carry over to the back half of the episode. There's
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  Speaker 2: just not And I think they that Kami Kazi Duga
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  Speaker 2: fell flat because this one has gotten so much hype
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  Speaker 2: that they were just like, ooh, we really need to
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  Speaker 2: put a sequel out, Like, yes we have our comic,
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  Speaker 2: yes there's the book, but like, we need to put
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  Speaker 2: a sequel out to this one. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: they just fell into that trap. I do like everything
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  Speaker 2: that's going on, it just needs more time to breathe.
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  Speaker 2: And the whole point of the duel was this mysterious
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  Speaker 2: character within the thrownin and like setting him up for
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  Speaker 2: success in his sith hunting endeavors. Matt did not put
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  Speaker 2: together that he was a sith hunter until he was
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  Speaker 2: called a sith hunter in this episode. He was like,
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  Speaker 2: how was I supposed to know that other than the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he has a bunch of crystals, he could
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  Speaker 2: have had a bunch of crystals from anywhere, which is
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  Speaker 2: a fair point. It's a fair point. It really is
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  Speaker 2: a fine story overall. It's a it's a decent story, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but it definitely misses the mark on what made the
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  Speaker 2: duel special. At the end of the day, Matt wanted
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  Speaker 2: to say, there's just a lot of disconnect between the
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  Speaker 2: Wanderer we get in the first episode compare to the
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  Speaker 2: Sith hunter we get in this episode. It feels like
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  Speaker 2: there's a part two is missing, and it does lead
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  Speaker 2: me into the book part of it. For my thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on it, looking at it again on this deep dive,
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  Speaker 2: I do feel like it does hit as a sequel.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is is that it's just missing the mark
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  Speaker 2: on a few of the characterization pieces in the first
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  Speaker 2: episode and then in the Ronan, which kind of like
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  Speaker 2: the Ronan would not have bonded with her name is
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  Speaker 2: Annie Stan the Sith in this episode, he would not
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  Speaker 2: have bonded to the extreme. I feel like in this episode,
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  Speaker 2: especially after the run and I did not get a
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  Speaker 2: chance to reread the Ronan. But I went back and
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  Speaker 2: looked at the synopsis on Wikipedia and I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this does kind of flow, but it just misses so
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  Speaker 2: much of the characterization for the Ronan that was hit
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  Speaker 2: in the duel in the Ronan, and it just distracts
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  Speaker 2: from that end goal point of view.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And also, one of the big things for me in
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  Speaker 3: The Ronan that I was very, very disappointed in when
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  Speaker 3: going into Payback was the fact that Ronan brought about
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  Speaker 3: like a very supernatural esque feeling to the world and
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  Speaker 3: the galaxy. The force was more of like magic based
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  Speaker 3: rather than a like omnipotent like force, like literal force
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  Speaker 3: of course, and it just felt very oh, shoot, what's
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  Speaker 3: the era, like the specific era of like Ninja and Samurai.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember the exact verbiage before that, but it
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  Speaker 3: felt like that. And of course, the the other character
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  Speaker 3: that was introduced into the Ronan, like the very tongue
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  Speaker 3: in cheek fox mass character, I can't remember their name,
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  Speaker 3: the non binary character, but they were amazing and so like.
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  Speaker 3: To not have any reference to that and bring that
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  Speaker 3: in again shows my bias. But and and I think
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  Speaker 3: more so, it brings truth to the idea that maybe
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  Speaker 3: if this had more time to really let us the
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  Speaker 3: audience kind of flow with it and understand everything, it
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  Speaker 3: would be good. But it just it it didn't hit
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  Speaker 3: well for me as a sequel. Again, I think that
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  Speaker 3: this you said, the the return of the Jedi references. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about other references in in media, which
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  Speaker 3: is amazing. I keep referencing that we will talk about it,
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  Speaker 3: but it's it's just an amazing yeah. But with with this,
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  Speaker 3: with the return of the Jedi referencing, it's here, I
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  Speaker 3: felt more eyerollly than like, oh, that's so cool, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And I think more so because when we first open
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  Speaker 3: Disney Plus four Visions on Season one, Volume one, we
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  Speaker 3: see the duel and it completely changed the way we
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: were supposed to look at Star Wars, because that's exactly
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  Speaker 3: what it's supposed to be. It is, Hey, this is
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  Speaker 3: their version of Star Wars. They get to change the rules,
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  Speaker 3: they get to do whatever. And here it felt more like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: let's do some checking of the boxes to you know,
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  Speaker 3: adhere to what probably everybody else will do in their
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  Speaker 3: episodes and whether that actually be something that Lucasfilm and
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  Speaker 3: Disney like required, I would absolutely hate, but it's just
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  Speaker 3: that it's it's what it was. I agree with you
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  Speaker 3: in some of the aspects. What was the siths name again,
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  Speaker 3: Annie Soon Annie Son. I liked her like coyness, and
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  Speaker 3: I liked like she's like, oh, I can help you,
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  Speaker 3: but I may, you know, need to borrow a thing
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  Speaker 3: or two. And like finding out that she used literally
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  Speaker 3: every single kyber crystal that the Ronan had was fun impractical,
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  Speaker 3: Like she was standing on a lightsaber and it didn't
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  Speaker 3: fall through the ground like.
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  Speaker 2: That, Like so that in the giant statue landing on
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  Speaker 2: her head.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah what Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That is also the only time that we actually see
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  Speaker 2: the grand Master really use the force. Like if that
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  Speaker 2: hadn't happened, I would have fully believed that he was
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: actively just a robot that had somebody's face slapped on
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  Speaker 2: it to like help with the war efforts and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I did enjoy the grand Master's character. I thought that
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that could happen there if
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  Speaker 2: it would bring good things. But it's just everything else
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  Speaker 2: going on detracts from that because you don't have enough
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  Speaker 2: time spent there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and and we're kind of blending our like how
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: it did as a sequel to Our Deep Dives a
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: little bit here, but like, it's okay, if we if
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: we get into it, the idea of the Grand Master
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: you were saying, the fact that you know, we find
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: out like the famous line I think in this that
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: everybody pulls away from this is what I've seen is
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you're not a Jedi. You're not even a man at
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: the very end, and I like that. One of the
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: coolest things in this episode is at the very end
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: when his like optic receptors are broken and the red
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: lightsaber and the blue lightsaber are right next to each
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: other and he can't tell which one is which. Also,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: by the way, like again a nitpick a Jed, I
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: should know what their own hilt looks like.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: That's what I was like. But still, that was a
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: cool enough moment where I was like, okay, you know
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: what I can get out of.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: It exactly like and it's it's it's supposed to mean something.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: He grabs the red lightsaber and you're like, oh, okay,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: he is so full of hatred. Like I I like it,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I really do. I thought that was really, really fun.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I think in any other world that story would be
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: really fun. But this kind of soured on my idea
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: of seeing more of this because of how much I
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: didn't really love this episode.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I there's a lot I so the animation
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: STYLEGI just doesn't hit for me anyways. The pencil esque
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: animation is just not my favorite, but I do enjoy
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the black and white and the electric color aspects.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: It's it's a weird blend, so you you you said
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: animation style. It has a really weird blend of static
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: two D backgrounds with two D animation as well as
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: three D surroundings. Like it. It's it's a really weird mix.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I like it sometimes. I think it's fine in some places,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: but when it gets really hectic with the fighting and
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: with the battle scenes, it gets to be a little much.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: And then you can really see the three D outside
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: of the static background and it just kind of takes
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: me out of it sometimes. But then also like story
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: beat wise, uh, the the droid for one uncalled for guys,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: this is this is our first uh droid? Uh uh oh,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: what's the word I'm looking for? I literally had it
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: like at the tip of my tongue. Casualty. Uh, this
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: is our first droid casualty of Volume three h and
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I say first because there is multiple throughout this season,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: which is so wrong. Again, it feels like a check
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: box and so many of them did it, but but
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: it was it was a little weird, and I I
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: don't know if I liked that move.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel like it was a casualty because the
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: oh gosh, what's the time the alien called again? From
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: li is Skywalker? I can't ever remember?
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Uh uh oh man, I forgot, like, I, oh man,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: this is gonna bother me like all night.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: But he repairs R five so our five is still
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: a part of the episode. Yeah, yes, and he gets
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: at the end of it, he gets to like run
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: away with the Ronan again, like he's strapped to the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Ronan's back. So I didn't feel like it was a casualty.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I say casualty, but it's more of a Babu frick.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: By the way, what is the alien itself? And Zellen
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: that's where it is?
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Hold on uh uh Droid Smith, Babu frick or the mechanic.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Well maybe you're right, and Zellen, I know it's and Zellen.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a Zellin. Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: which I did see somebody made somebody took a screenshot
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: of the three and Zelens in the Mandalorian uh trailer
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, I don't care what you say.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: All three of these are babu frick No matter what,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: it's just gonna be babu freak out all the time.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: But I know it's not technically a casualty. But like
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: you have and you have a lot of these in
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Star Wars, it is a little bit of a trope
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: of like, oh, no, they're dead and then like boom,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: they're not dead, right mm hmmm. Uh freaking Darth Maul,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: most famous one.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I just really didn't think he was dead.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I okay, so how do you not know? Like, how
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: do you not think that when he's literally sliced into.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: Dozens of troy But in the Troid, the main part
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: of the Droid that needs to survive is the memory card,
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: like the boring Okay, so you can't prepare anything aka
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: R two D two in a new hope when he
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: gets like fried to smitherb.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah that's true.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: So like for me, unless it's like, okay, we're leaving
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: him behind. Like I knew the Ronan was not going
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: to leave him behind like that was never going to happen.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: He was going to sign him.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Going back. I really thought the flashback in the beginning
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: was awesome, and I loved the duo connected at eighties with.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: The freaking snow shoots.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I laughed so hard to get snowshoes on the apes.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I like the design again. We talked about this in
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: the Song of four Wings, repurposing old designs and updating
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: them slightly. This is literally just repurposing an old design,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: like literally a at eight that is completely like not
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: in service anymore. They hollowed it out and is now
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: a place to gamble. Like that is so clever. I really,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I really really like that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: It's an awesome design and it makes you go wow,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I love to like stay in this world a little
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: bit longer, but again we go way too fast. Yeah,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: it's I definitely thought Grandmaster dude was definitely a cyborg
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: until he uses the force at the very end. Like
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I even wrote after the first viewing, I was like,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: does Grandmaster use the force at all in this? And
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: then we get to the part where he squeezes it
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Annie sign and was like, oh, okay, what did you
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: think the purple light on his head piece was so
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: whenever he has like a memory, you get legad you
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and the light flips to purple and then back to blue.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, it is most definitely a like foreshadowing because it
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I see it more of a foreshadowing because for one,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: we it's it's not that we don't figure out that
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: he has this like seeking revenge type of ordeal until
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: later in the episode. Now in the beginning when he
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: does fight the round in he does you know slaughter
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: R five you can you can kind of argue like,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: oh no, you kind of know then. But at the
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: same time, like we've seen aggressive Jedi Anakin was one
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: of the mace Windy was one of them, Like we
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: have seen that type of aggression before. Uh. So, I
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: think genuinely when replaying those flashbacks, it's bringing up the
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: hate in him. So it's just a slight thing that
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: they are doing for visual connection to the audience of like, hey,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: it's blue because he's a Jedi. But when he is
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: thinking about that hate, it is trying to go to
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: red and it can only go to purple because he
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: hasn't completely turned yet, not until the very end.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: So I need to go back then and see if
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: his headset turns red then at the end. But my
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: thought process was that this is at the point where
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I still thought he was cyborg and like not human
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: at all. I was like, Okay, he's got the brain
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: of somebody in there, but somebody is controlling him and going, hey,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you need to stay in control. So when those flashbacks
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: come up, he gets like a dose medication where it's like, hey,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: go back to level zero.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Oh okay.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I kind of like that because it was connected to
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: a flashback every single time, and I hear what you're saying.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: But I was like, especially with the fact that he's like,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: like the Ronan calls you, you're not even a man,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: You're a machine. Like if he had not used the force,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I would have completely believed he was one hundred percent
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: machine with somebody's brain inside him, that the brain was
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: controlling still, but somebody was in the background going, you're
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: a little too aggressive. We need to like pinpoint back
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: I can see a world where they both are still
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: legitimately a thing, as far as like your theory can't
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: exist because it's within universe, whereas my theory exists because
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: it's literally what the studio made like for as far
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: as like a visual medium for the audience, you know. Yeah,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: so I could see, I could see where we both
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: win on that one. Yeah.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: So okay, So what did you think about the back
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: to hot spring as well? Because I thought this was
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: a cool idea. Back To is a man made thing
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: in Star Wars. It's a recipe, it's a concoction, so
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: it's not something that's natural natural.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, For one, they must be rolling in the
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: dough to have that much. Back to to have a
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: hot spring, for one, was one.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Of my things, and I think that's the thing, right
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: is so in this universe it's a natural thing, like
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: you know, like salt hot water springs. Ok, Like, oh,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: this is a natural back to hot spring. Well, and
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: that if.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: That's the case, then they kind of still stayed within
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: the supernatural with that idea, which I do like. I
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I like the idea. I think that it does well
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: with the over the seas audience. Hot springs are very
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: very big. I was I I was surprised when they
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: uh showed just the silhouette of the of the self
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, promiscuous, They're gonna be in
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: the same Hot Spring. Well, no, because, like of course
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: anybody who has watched anime, there is a lot of
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: spicy scenes in Hot Springs, as well as what Overseas
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: calls fan service, which is uh, you know, going so
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: far as to like show show like very promiscuous like
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: cleavage and showing like close to nudity, which is weird
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: that they call it fan service, but it's it's just
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the way that you know Overseas is And so honestly,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: when I saw the silhouette of her, I was like,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: is she gonna get up? Are they gonna show anything? Oh? No,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: They're just gonna keep her there. I like that. I
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: like it being shaded. You you, if you pay attention,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: you can ever so slightly actually see her mouth move, yeah,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: to actually show that she is talking, of course, But
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I like the scene because it's finally the one place
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: that we get to breathe, we get to kind of
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: sit into like, Okay, what just happened, where we're going,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: what's going to happen next?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: But it is also the perk that pissed me off
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: the most is because this is where he's like, well,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: it seems like the temporary truth is in order. I
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: wanted there to be some more arguing with that, where
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: she goes and is like, can we have a truce
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: for the time being, and like he goes like, I
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: don't do that, Like something where he has to realize like, yes,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: he's a smart dude, but he also has his principles
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to interact with the Sith if
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: he can help it, and so like to me, there
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: needed to be some arguing to convince him like, hey,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I understand your principles, but if you want to survive,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: this is your best bet. Okay, And he just leans
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: too much. He's the one who offers a temporary drew.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Easily.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like something to continue the characterization that we got
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: in the Grown Like I said, like, okay, based on
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the synopsis, everything works, but I still don't like that
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: he agrees that he's the one who offers the temperatures
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: and then he agrees to it and they play too
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: much at it.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Well you could even say, like you could even take
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: the ronan out of it and just leave the a duel,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: like when you see the duel, he like he he
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: kills the person at the very end. Of course, we
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: know that in the book, she comes back to life
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: and blah blah blah all that stuff. But in the
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: duel there is a very like relentless fight and he
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: kills her. So to come here have this fight and
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: then have this third party come in like he's not
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: just going to seemingly just be like well, uh yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: he kind of like whooped her ass, So maybe, like no,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I think he would have a little bit more fight
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: in him. Two kind of disagree with everybody else at first.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also think that the name of this
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: episode is called the Dual Payback. Payback I really think
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: is from the grand Master's perspective. So you could have
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: also completely chosen to call it a sequel, but it's
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: also a spin off, and you attack this believe from
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: the grand Master perspective.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I think I would have appreciated that more because.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I don't understand what other payback there is in this episode.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I truly believe the title is based on the grand
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Master is looking for payback from getting his legs taken
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: out from Utornyth.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, but like at like surface level, you could say like, oh, well,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: the grand Master destroyed his droid stabbed him, like oh,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: this is payback. But I but I agree with you.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I agree that even more so because of the real
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: fun idea of seeing the Ronan as like this still
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: very like ominous character, no words spoken kind of person,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: because again, you go to the duel in volume one,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: he doesn't speak that much.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: If you give him that same kind of energy and
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: just follow somebody else, you still cape. You still keep
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: the original characterization of the Ronan.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. I think that would have
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: been a very fun episode.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. My last thing that I have is I hear
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: what you're saying about rolling your eyes at the Ewok
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Bridge Trap scene, that those scenes are always hysteric to me.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I laughed, I giggled. I would still definitely rather have
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the time with Ronan or the grand Master if you
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: chose to do it from that perspective, But I still
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: had fun with the Bridge traps.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, I do think that those scenes are for the fandom.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say it like it's everybody's like, just uh,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: what's what's the phrase I'm looking for. It's their preference.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: It's just their preference of you know, what they like
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: to see in forms of media. With this, I had
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: fun again with the gambling ring. I had fun with
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: the optic nerves being you know, shut and him not
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: seeing red or blue. I still like they reference the
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: first duel with the like being able to hold the
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: lightsaber for a split second. I like that callback like
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: there's still a lot in here that is enjoyable. But overall,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: I think it is a miss because it feels and
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: I know people are gonna like hate me for this phrasing,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: but it almost feels like just a phone in. It's like, oh,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: we're doing a sequel, let's do this, you know, rather
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: than Hey, let's really sit down and think what could
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: we do next for this character in this universe?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent?
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well that leads us into the ninth Jedi,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: the Child of Hope. Now again, the the secrets of
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: how we're gonna do this, we're gonna go into non spoilers,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: how it dido as a sequel, and of course the
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: deep dive. So Katie, we'll go with you first. As
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: far as your non spoil Well, first off, we want
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: to do say again, this is the ninth Jedi, Child
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: of Hope and it was produced by Production IG. So
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: what is your non spoiler talk or on this one.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: For me, this episode simply does not live up to
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: the grandeur of the original episode, but all the same,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: it is a good episode. You can clearly tell their
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: working towards the show because it's certain things said in
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the episode, but also just because of the ads in
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: the animation. There's a lot of times where you feel like, ooh,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: they got some exch budget here, like kind of thing.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: The episode delves into cars relationship with the force, and
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: it does a really good job of that, especially with
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: the addition of tattoo. But I will say, because I
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: don't feel like this is a spoiler, there are I
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: do not like the animation as much because I feel
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: like they tried to do to blend in some CGI
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: animation and it it doesn't hit like they think it should.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think that Tato feels like
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: an out of body experience. He should have been to
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: the animation along with everybody else.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Like I actually was not talking about Teto in that aspect.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: We will talk more into it, but I just want
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: to give my two cents because it was there one spoiler.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: There's a scene where Tetu and Kara are hugging and
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: it just looks weird. I don't like it. It literally
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: looks like a live action actor hugging a non existent
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: green screen character. That's what looks like. And I don't
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: like it. But non spoilers for me, I believe that
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: this was not better than the first episode. It was
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: not better than the original ninth of Jedi in volume one,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: I will give you that. However, I think that this
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: does do well in hyping people up for the series. Yes,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: it does like the the idea of Child of Hope.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: It does give view that sense of like, oh, there's
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: going to be a grand finale here, which I really
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: do like. I think that this episode hits really hard
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: with emotions the way that it was intended, as well
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: as just having random moments of fun and hilarity, which
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: I think that like, out of all the episodes in
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: volume three, I think this kind of hits every aspect
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: of a TV show in the sense of like, oh, hey,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: let's have some comedic relief. Oh let's have some emotion here.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Oh let's have an action sequence. You know. It hits
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: all of those notes, and I really do like that.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I do feel like that detracts from what made the
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: original special, though, Is that formula approach to a TV show.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: It gets away from what made the OG so special.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: I agree. You know, we talked about how in the
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: original Ninth Jedi having like the idea of like, oh
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: these lightsabers like it really had an emphasis on how
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: does this world differ from the OG Star Wars universe?
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Right whereas this one they didn't try to do that anymore.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: They're just like, hey, we've already established what kind of
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: universe we're in. Now, We're just going to tell the story,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: which does kind of like the spark kind of fades
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: a little bit with that. I will also say that
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: the spark so slightly fades with a little bit of
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: the dialogue in this episode. There's literally one line in
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: here that I'm just like, that doesn't make sense. It
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: may be a translation thing, but we'll move along. But
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: with that being said, I still enjoyed the episode. I
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: think that this does very well as a sequel. I
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: think we can move on to how it does as
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: a sequel. I think that this does very well. Now.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: The only thing that we do not know is how
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: much time has passed since Episode one and this episode.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: So if they were to tell me, then I could
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: judge even more how well this does. Now we do
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: know that in the first episode there was no true
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: color to Cara's lightsaber until the very end of the episode.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: I can't remember if it's the same color or not,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: because this one had like a weird like almost like
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: faded into a tal Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't green, which
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: I don't remember if it was necessarily green in episode one.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: So that's just like a small nitpick with me. But
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: I really dug this as a sequel because again, it
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: does its job. It continues the story calling back to
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: the original, so we are reminded that Carara's uh it's
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: a true green. Yeah, okay, I thought so. I thought so. Uh,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: but it I, like I was saying, it does call
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: back to the original. So it does remind you, you know,
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: what Car's mission is, what she is doing, while also
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: giving you small little tidbits of like hey there. Like
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: I said in my non spoilers, there is a there's
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: going to be a grand finale to this. I like
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: that Cara kind of was separated.
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: Uh yeah, I thought it was important to separate her
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: out from everybody because it helps her grow. Like the
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: Margrave at the end is like Oh, well, she doesn't
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: know how to use the force, so we must guide her.
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: And that kind of feels a little cliche because you
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: clearly look at her and you go, hey, like she's
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: powerful in the forest. She does know how to use it,
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: she's just young. And so I felt like the Margaret going, oh,
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: we must help guide her. That's gonna come to some
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: head in the TV series. I feel like is because
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: he says that.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Are you done with her? How does it hold up
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: as a sequel?
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, you go ahead.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: So I feel like this one does super well as
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: a sequel to the original. It, like I said, it
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: gives hints for the show, but overall it sticks with
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: the same characters and only introduces the new ones to
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: provide growth for our main character, Kara. And personally, I
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: just really liked how this one, Like we see the
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: lightsaber prowess in the first episode of Kara Uh for Kara,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: but then in this episode we really get to dive
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: into her heritage with the worst, how her father helped
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: her grow as a force user, and just really diving
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: into those things, and it really made it super enjoyable
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: to get to explore that side of her character.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree with all of that, but do
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: you want to give us our first little tidbit of
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: like what you because you I want to. I want
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: to just give applause to Katie for being the one
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: to go hardcore into notes. Uh for the deep dive.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: So what what are some of the stuff that you have?
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I showed that to the camera.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: So one of the first things I wrote down was
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: like feels like production I G tried to blend two D,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: three D and c G I animation. It really stuck
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: out to me because for me, when I'm looking at
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: an animated product, I want to see continent in the
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: way it looks. And for me, the biggest thing with
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Visions this season has been the ships. I talked about
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: it with Smugglers and how the ships kind of feel
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: out of place in this one. They really look CGI like.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I felt like some of the scenes that we see
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: could have been in a live action shot.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: So I will let you know that in recent years,
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: and I say recent years, I want to say about
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty or two thousand and two till now, maybe
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: five until now, the switch to CGI for mobile objects
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: in animation has become super popular. I think more so
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: because it is easier for the transition of where the
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: object is going to be in frame one versus where
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: it's going to be in frame two. It's just like,
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: it's so funny because like when you could probably like
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: look this meme up, but it's like, oh, from all
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: my video game training, this block is going to be
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: breakable or whatever. When you look at animation, you can
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: almost see immediately what part of a building or like
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: street or spaceship or vehicle is going to be dismantled
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: first because it is immediately outlined in a CGI esque frame.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: I know, I for all of our listeners right now,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Katie is giving me like the eck face.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Right now, I'm gonna say this and we can move on.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: It looks trashy onto. It looks trashy, like it's something
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: that is episode is just so beautiful, and then you
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: look at this and it's.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Like, eh, it's something that I'm so used to that
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: to me, it just looks normal, And I know exactly
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: what you're talking about. You're talking about the first ship,
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: not the not their ship, not the good guy ship,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: but the the bad guy ship for sure had like
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: heavy CGI three D imaging to it, as well as
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: the escape pod at the end. Like those two were
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: very like almost protruding out to you as far as
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: like the d and I.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Mean it's even in like when the pirate ship comes
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: into the garage area, like it just it looks out
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: of place. It looks like we're, oh, gosh, it's what's
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: that basketball movie with the Looney Tunes?
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Like its space Jam?
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, space Jam. It looks like space Jam. And if
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: you know me, I haven't seen space Jam for good reasons.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Well, no, it's it's like what I told you with
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: the Ronan. It's it's what I told you with the Ronan.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: It's the fact that it's a static background with a
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: CGI movement frame. It makes things look out of place,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: and it all depends on what it is.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: The Duel seems to hide it better, I guess with
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: its animation style because I didn't notice it.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: And then also and in this episode, the other part
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: of this whole debacle is when Kara is moving the
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: giant statue. Yep, when she first moves it, it's totally fine.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: But when she finally lays it down, that's when the
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: cig I statue kind of comes in.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: See I didn't notice it at that part either. It
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: is just the ships that I noticed. So I'm gonna
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: have to go back and watch for the statue now.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then again go ahead, get that out of
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: the way.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: And then again it's also in Tito, like it's it's all.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: There is it is in Teto. There's not all the time.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: I think it's the hug scene and then there's one
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: other one where the c G I just kind of activates.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it varies, it very much stands out, but I
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: I really dug this. I love the back and forth
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: between Kara and Teto. I think that is a very
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: sweet friendship that is going to like by the end
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: of this episode. Teto has such an impact on Kara.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: You know, that is a big motivator. You know, it's
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: it's not just to get her father back now, it
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: is Hey, this individual sacrificed themselves for me to you know,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: finalize my mission. And I really dig that. It helps
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: the character grow, which I am always a big fan of.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, wait a second, I was telling Matt about
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: my the tongue issue thing. You're gonna have to cut that, okay,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: I will call her reaction to Teto and just the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: conversations that they have together. Kara really reminds myself of
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: the typical millennial right now who needs a vote of
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: confidence from somebody, and just that inner voice with the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: imposter syner that's like, dude, I don't know what the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: heck I'm doing, Like how am I supposed to survive?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: And Tata's like, dude, you got this. You're gonna be fine.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be a great Jedi. And I just I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: love it so much And did I sab When Teto
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: sacrifices himself at the end.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I was so mad.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: I really wanted him to be able to like join
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: the crew because I also love Freddy Hymore the voice actor.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: He's just so good and he does an incredible job
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: with Tato.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: I really loved his like, uh, I guess it would
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: be speech impediment with tato I. I I loved it
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: the fact that he sacrifices himself, like he you almost
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: know immediately when Kara is fighting the two bounty hunters,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: He's like, no, Teto needs to help. And then he
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: like when he waddles when he only has one leg,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: was like super cute.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Super fun. And also like after the fight with the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: pirates in the middle where they're hiding down in the trees,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: and Car's like, Tato, are you okay? And Tato is
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: it Droid, no problem? Two thumbs up. I love it.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: He has no worry for himself. But Mike, like, one
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: of my questions to you is, uh, how did you
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: feel with the like Teto Master thing and the and
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: the realization that the Master was dead, like because I
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: think that is like a really big reveal and also
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: like how Teto comes to terms with it when relating
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: to like what he needs to do to help Kara.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: I thought the Master in the back to Tank I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: definitely saw that coming. I also wanted to say that
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: them leaving Kamui really could have been a Higher Republic reference.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to see it happens like a Friens
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Service moment because I felt like her alive in space
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: with a force field was a callback to Lash Jedi,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: even though she has a force field suit thing. I
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: just felt like it was called back to Last Jedi.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: So I really wanted it was like during the High
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Republic battles with the nihill Is when we left Kamui,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: or like Kara to say, oh, I read about that
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: in my history textbooks from the Higher Republic, Like.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like something along those lines would have been really fun.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he brought me Beneco.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: That's why I texted that's amazing.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: But yeah, I I I kind of saw it coming
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: as well, because again, when we are first introduced to Tetoe,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: he kind of puts an emphasis on like, oh, I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 8: haven't seen Master in so long.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: You're like, okay, how long is so long? You know? Yeah,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: when it's revealed like hundreds of years, you're like, oh, okay, well, yeah,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: he's he's long dead. He's dead dead. He's dead dead.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Obviously, we see instances where like there's people in back
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: the tanks and like they're sleeping through stuff lifespan wise,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: sometimes it happens, but also with a ship that's been
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: lost in space, it makes sense that the life support
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: would have been one of the first things or would
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: have been one of the things to go.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: And I think it's different, Like we've also seen like
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: different versions of like cryo sleeping and things like that
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: in Star Wars, so like with just being a regular
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: old back to tank, like it was like, okay, yeah,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: he's not there. But like even when Kara says so like, hey,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: the life support ended many many years ago. I'm sorry,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: but he's gone. And then Tetto like almost immediately comes
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: to terms with it and says thank you. He's like, oh,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: without you, I would have never had the chance to
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: see Master again. So thank you so much.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: And I think that is as much of a droid
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: emotion as we can expect from droids, Like you want
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: to say, oh, well, that was heartless, Like he gets
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: to know that his master's dead and he doesn't have
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: to worry about his master anymore. That's the end of it. Basically,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: I felt like that was a perfectly reasonable response. And
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: even when he's cooking for Kara and he goes, Master
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: used to love Tetus cooking and you get to see
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: like a ghost image of.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like the time.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: I thought that was a cool touch and it hits
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: enough on the droid emotion scale for me to be like, yeah,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: we're good.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But also like we also see that same type
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: of emotion when making the sacrifice, like we we know
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: that he is more than just a droid because he says,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: go find your father, May the Force be with you.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: And then when he is at the very end, plugging
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: himself into the self destruct, he does say, Kara, you
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: are going to be the ray of hope. That is
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: that is more than just like a it's it's more
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: than just a statement. It is a belief, which is
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: you know, of course harder to come from a droid,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: you know. So I thought that was a really really
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: cool touch again. Wanted to ball my eyes out the moment,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: like we finally realized, oh he's not going with her,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: and like a part of me again with with your
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: whole idea of like, oh no, our five survived. Like
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: if at any point we get to see Tattoo again
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: in the series, I will be so happy. I don't
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: think it's going to happen.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: I would be too, because it just gives it that
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: little extra touch. But yes, I don't think it's going
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: to happen, especially because he basically dies.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: The Yeah, so there's two ways. There's there's two things. One.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: I think that it could be a very like again
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: like kind of choking at the heartstrings type thing, like
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: at the very end of the series, when we see
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: that everything has gone right, we're seeing all of these
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: flashes throughout the universe of like how like everybody's sell
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: like almost like a return of the Jedi type of
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: ordeal when it kind of just shows everybody celebrating. If
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: we get to see Teto like on the last piece
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: of that asteroid and he's like, you know, still able
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: to survive, but he's getting like a radio signal learning
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: that Kara was successful in her mission, Like, oh, I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: would ball my eyes out, But I think that it
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: would actually destroy the character development if Teto and Kara
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: ever meet again, because this again is supposed to make
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: her grow. It's supposed to show like this droid sacrificed
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: everything he had left so I could save my dad.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: And so if he just comes back, not to say
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: that that motivation doesn't still exist because she is going
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: to try to find her father, but like it just
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it just it feels a little flat.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Excuse me, Yeah, after the fact, if he were.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: To come back, Yeah, I think I think so as well.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Even though I love Tetto and the other thing, I
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: love when he's cooking the soup, he like wafts it
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: even though so hard. I yeah, I just love touch
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: On so much the whole episode, in the way he
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: benefits Kara's connection with the force and how that grows
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: with than her. Also, I still love four nines. Four
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: nines is her original droid. He pops back up at
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: the end, I we still love you four nines.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: And she gives him a hug like, oh, oh, that's
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: so cute. But one thing I did want to mention,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: because I know we've been focusing on Karra and Tatto,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: the one thing that I kind of felt like was
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: a little like that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Uh,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: And it may have been the translation is there's one
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: moment where we're back in the ship and uh, who
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: who's the old guy? Uh? Margrave? Yeah, the Margrave, he says,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: like or or I think it's the other taller Jedi
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: with the alien Okay, he says something along the lines
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: of like, oh, if that's true, doesn't that mean she's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: stronger than you? Like in all that the Margraves says
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: is oh, the Force is with her even now, Like
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: it's a very weird statement, like, oh the forces with her. Oh,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: if that's the truth, that must mean she's stronger than you.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Like that that doesn't make any sense to me.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: And again it may be the translation.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't put that together when I was watching,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: but I can see that now, did you mention it?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I can understand if like they said something
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: in retrospect of her strength with the Force, but all
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: they say is, oh, the Force is with her even
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: now mm hm, and he and he the other guy
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: literally says, oh, if that's the case, is that does
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: that mean she's stronger than you? And then the marker
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: is like, oh, probably. Like the whole that whole conversation
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: just was very weird, and I think, like, unfortunately more so,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: that was just there to literally plant seeds for the series. Yeah,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: and I just I think that you could have still
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: done without it and everything is totally fine.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: It's very much like the Ninth the whole Ninth Jedi thing.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: I get that the guy made nine lightsabers and that
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Kara was able to take the last one basically, but
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: I feel like, especially going back and watching the original,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: the margret is like, take your place as the ninth Jedi. Well,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: there's only four of you, so what is the significance
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: of the ninth Jedi? Because like, couldn't we have just said, like,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: take your place among the Jedi? But I feel like
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: there's some significant thing there that might be a translation thing,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: but also might just be something that they're like hinting
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: towards for the future. Maybe, because yeah, there was the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: whole ninth of Jedi thing. That was one thing that
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: I took from the first episode and that has stuck
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: with me. It's like, Okay, I get there's nine lightsabers,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: but you killed everybody else, So yeah, I think that's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: everything I had. Oh, I did have one more question
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: for you, So did you go back and watch the
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: first episode?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: Uh? Not this time around, but I do remember the
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: first episode pretty well.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, So in the first episode, the dad or somebody
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: I can't remember who it is, but I wrote this
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: question down. Somebody in the episode says, as long as
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: the force is there, you were able to grow that connection.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Visions Volume one came out way before Soka Seasonwhere did
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: the first episode inspire Sabine being a Jedi?
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm gonna have to say no. I'm gonna have
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: to say no. And the reason being, I know you're
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: not a video game person, but Knights of the Old Republic.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: In Knights of the Old Republic, you meet a whole
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: cast of characters that you know, eventually join your team.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: And the really cool thing about this game is that
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: you get to interact with them like in between you
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: like visiting planets and stuff, and you grow connections and
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: you like sometimes you can romance the characters. Sometimes you
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: could just piss them off, but there are certain choices
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: when speaking to them that influenced them to take steps
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: closer to becoming fellow Jedi. And so it is. I
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: think it's something that is just a part of Star Wars.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: It's like, hey, the Force is with everybody, and when
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: there are certain steps taken to really focus in on
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: that anything is possible, it's like no one's ever really gone,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: you know. It's kind of the same concept of like, hey,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: anybody can be a Jedi kind of yeah.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's because I heard that and I was like, ooh,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 9: So for reference, guys, Visions Volume one came out in
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 9: twenty twenty one, Ahsoka Season one came out last year, so.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, hmmmm.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Anyways, are we ready to jump to the Lost Ones?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, this one is my shortest.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: I I will I will say that it is in
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: the same boat for me in the sense of I
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: don't have a lot to say about this one. I
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: gave my non spoilers first, well no, no, I did, Okay, I.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Did them for Ninth Jedi, So it's your turn. Okay,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: So Claiy take us into your non spoilers for The
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Lost Ones.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, Lost One.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Village Bride by kinemas citrus Co.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, Kinema Centrius Again we did say this in the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: last episode, same studio as Ugo Stretcher, completely different animation style.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: My non spoiler thoughts about this episode meh, it it
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: didn't move the needle, and I think, like when getting
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: down to the nitty gritty of like, hey, did it
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: do its part as a sequel? And I will give
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: a small spoiler to my thoughts on that it didn't
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: phone it in like the dual Payback. I think that
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: there was like real steps to build something here. But
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: at the same time, this one also suffered from Hey,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: there needed to be more time, and I think more
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: so because we still know very very very little about
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: f Yeah, she's just she is a Ronan more so
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: than Ronan at this point, very interesting character, like from
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: what we are seeing in the Village Bride and now
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: in The Lost Ones, there's something here like I want
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: to know more, but these episodes, like, I think that
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: this one suffers from more like you're you're getting more
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: of character development around F than you are with F,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: which is the character that is that is mainly the
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: point of view, and I just like, I'm very confused
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: as of as to why the studio chose this way
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: of storytelling. But that's it what that I have for
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: non spoilers.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: So for me, for my non spoiler thoughts, I do
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: feel like this story takes place several years after the
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Village of Bride. We come in and the ship she
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: had in the village Bride is breaking down, She's got
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: a prosthetic. I feel like several years have passed, but
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: also I feel like no time has passed. It all
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: based on some things that happened later on in the episode,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: So I really would be curious about that. I am
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: going to disagree with you about the character development for
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: F a little bit. I do feel like this episode
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: grows F more as a character and builds her up,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, you are right in that
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: there's more character development around her and that this is
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: this does truly feel like a dual Rownan situation where
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: she comes in, she makes an impact, she leaves and
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: that's kind of the end of it. And so I
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: do feel like Kenemisidrus still gives us a very phenomenally
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: animated story. I love how the animation is in this one.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: It's perfection. But the story is definitely simple, but it's
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: simple enough to continue to still build F's character up. So,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: especially after rewatching The Village Bride, it does a lot
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: for it. And I'm gonna ahead jump into my sequel. Okay,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: how does it hold up as a sequel thoughts? I
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: do feel like it holds up as a sequel because
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: it does showcase that there's some time that has passed
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: with the prosthetic, the ship dying, all that stuff. It's
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: those small cues that really showcase, Hey, we trust you
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: as an audience to know what's going on and to know, hey,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: things have happened, and it's affected our character in some way,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: shape or form. And it's a it's still a very
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: familiar story. It's basically The Village Bride, where Hey, she's
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: come into a group of people, she has to rescue them,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: and because of that aspect, you feel like you can
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: just jump right back into the flow and everything's gonna
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: be fine at the end of it.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: I'm actually looking up if f had a prosthetic in
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: the Village Bride, because I felt that was like very weird,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, Okay, is this actually a like I
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think she had a prosthetic in the first one,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: because the shoes are the same in the first one.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: The shoes are visually different in the second one.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: Uh okay, yeah, yeah, I can see like there's actually
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: a reference framework here. Okay, yeah, okay, I dig it,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: I dig it. So as a sequel, I think that
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: this does very well. It does not need to reference
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: the first like Ninth Jedi did, or like the very
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: subtle way that the duel did with of course the
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: multiple Kyper crystals. This does well in bringing more to
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: the table as far as building the universe around a
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: f bringing in more characters, bringing in the Empire, knowing
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: that she is like some sort of fugitive because we
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: know that in the Village Bride she attacked these people
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: and we all know like, oh, they very much probably
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: you know, called this in and said, hey, there's a Jedi,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: you know, causing rucus and all of this other stuff. Right,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: So like there's there's a reference in that frame of mind, right,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: So I think it does well with that. It also
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: does well with building up in minor spoilers. Here we
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: get to see F's past in the relationship of her
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: master and what that is.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: I thought the character design for him was superb. I thought, uh, I, I.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: Was going to double check because it is a very
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: big uh cliche to create these characters in anime that
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: look female but our male, and then vice versa, look
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: male but our female, and Zero who is the master,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: very feminine features, very masculine voice. I love it. I
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: actually really do you do?
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I love the character design, the voice spectacular.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: So I would.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: Definitely with Zero from Lost Ones a male or female.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: Why. I thought the refugee ship is like a semi
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: mon cow design, like maybe something that was lost in
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: like original development and was like, here you this kind
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: of thing. I thought the ship looked super cool. Definitely
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: has the mon caw features. I feel like that's Akbar,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: who's our mon cow commingander of the ship in this
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Uh it's kind of jumping ahead of things, but I
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: felt like that was a minor topic. I also thought
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: this going back to the beginning, the carbonite storm that
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: kicks up looks like how I would picture the blight.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, I immediately thought about the plate, but also I
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: finally get to say it. There's a freaking back to
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: the Future reference in this freaking thing. So I love that.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: By the way, I got up on my feet when
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: I saw this reference. So if anybody doesn't know what
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about. By the way, Zero is a male
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: in this So literally one of the first frames of
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: this episode is a character in somewhat of a hazmat
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: suit and you see them having headphones and you see
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: the cord and they like put the like their hand
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: like right in front of the frame of the camera
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: and they're like scanning something. Now, this is a reference
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: to Back to the Future when Marty McFly is back
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: in time and he is going to talk to his
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: then younger dad to convince him to you know, basically
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: follow Marty McFly, and of course they get into all
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: of their shenannigans. Marty McFly is in the hazmat suit
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: that Doc Brown gives him and literally uses a cassette
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: tape in headphones to wake up his dad and he says, oh,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: I am Darth vader from the planet Vulcan and so like,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: to have this reference in a Star Wars project is
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: so fun because it's literally something you could not do
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: anywhere else other than Vault, Like other than visions.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you couldn't do this anywhere else.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: You couldn't do this in a normal live action Star
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: Wars film, like it would not make sense whatsoever. But
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: doing it here, you're able to use random frames of
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: reference because like, we don't know if that's like a
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: legit hazmat suit, it could be anything, the headphones, the
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: scanning thing. Like you could literally just say it's whatever.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: But people who have seen Back to the Future immediately
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: see this and they're like they're like the freaking leader
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: Leonardo DiCaprio mean like oh, you know, like it's just like,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, it's they did the thing.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: I have seen back to the future. I didn't pick
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: that up.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: Oh it I need I need to find the actual
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: frame on Google and then and put it in our
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Google chat here or in our in our private chat.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it is.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: I I literally got up out of my seat and
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god. Uh And I immediately
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: went to threads and I was like is that a
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: back of the future reference in my Star Wars This
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: is amazing.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: I I absolutely loved it. And then of course again, uh,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: just a few minutes after that is the what looks
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: like the light And I would be super excited if,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: like we find out that, Yeah, we took inspiration to
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: the High Republic to create something like that.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought the idea of it was super cool
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: because because like obviously we've heard of carbonite in Star Wars,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: but like mining it and then like having the detrimental
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: effects happened to the rest of the planet, Like it's
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: something that we see that's happening right now, And so
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: it was a really cool idea to take that and
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: morph it for Star Wars in this sort of way.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: There you go, I am showing her on the screen.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: This is literally the frame.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: I would have never picked that up.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so cool. I love it so so much.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: It's so cool.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Some of the references that we got in here, we
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: got MELEEU run, we have a loaf cat or two
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: ke cat. I also really loved Judah. I love Oh gosh,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: what is dexter species? I love the dexter species.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, I actually don't know the species.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Hang on, I'm looking it up beslisk. Yes, that's all
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: that's right, because I always confuse it with the snake
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: from Chamber of Secrets.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: Oh bascalists. Yeah yeah, okay, Yeah.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: I love Juna. I love getting to see the bestialisks
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: in Star Wars. I love aliens in Star Wars just
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: in general. So I love getting to her and then
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: having that like little snippets of information that's like, oh, yeah,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: you're just like your master, like or like I know
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: you through my master, like I want to know more
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: about their relationship. Yeah.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: It grows the universe without having to really do a
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: whole lot, which I absolutely love, and then like to
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: turn some things on their head. What I absolutely love
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: about this episode again, sorry about my soapbox capitalism. We
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: uh uh. We get like true politics in this and
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: the manipulation of society because we see the kids and
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: they're talking about the empire and how they're gonna save
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: like all these like and f tells them like, hey,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: growing up is not the same as or what'd you say,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: getting older is not the same as growing up or
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: something like that, and.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: Have matured so much from the village Bride I love it.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: I just love it. Like, like you said, the growing
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: up is not getting old kind of thing. Uh, Like,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: it's a huge line that not enough people recognize, Hey,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: just because you're eighteen doesn't make you an adult, doesn't
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: mean you know everything about Yeah, well, I hate to
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: break it to some teenagers.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: Well, like, it spoke so much to me because I
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: was one of those braddy kids that was like, oh,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: I'm an adult now I could do whatever I want.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm smart, I'm an adult, blah blah blah.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: I think I can make these, you know, super hard,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: life changing decisions at the age of nineteen. And again
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: it's because of the way that these kids are talking,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: and she does like kind of bring it all back
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: to reality. It's like, hey, you also need to be
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: careful with how you talk to people. Not only of course,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: to her, but she was also talking about the other
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: kids around her, because then one of the other kids
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: kind of like got all upset and like ran away.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: And again it's it's this idea that these kids are
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: being taught or being talked to or talked at, not
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: necessarily talk to, and you don't see that, but you're
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: assuming it because the way they talk, and I love
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: how just those simple words kind of gets these kids
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: to be like, oh, wow, yeah, I guess you're right,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: and they start being all buddy buddy with all the
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: other kids. Then we move immediately to like the Empire
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: showing up threatening to attack immediately, and the dude I
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: can't remember what this dude's name is with the blonde hair,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: Ron I think it is. Yeah, Ron is like, oh,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna let you do this alone. I'm gonna
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: go turn in a Jedi, And I makes complete sense.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're gonna turn yourself in, at least I
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: get the reward.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I I love. And then of course I
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: love the fact that it was all kind of a
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: ruse to begin with. But I love again there's another
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: relationship with a droid here, and like Ron is talking
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: to this droid to like get exactly where he needs
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  Speaker 3: to be, to the ship's core, to again give this
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  Speaker 3: blight like virus, this this carbonite gas thing, which I
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  Speaker 3: thought was still a really cool aspect that it again,
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  Speaker 3: just like the blight, it could spread outside of its
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  Speaker 3: natural environment, you know kind of thing. But then we
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  Speaker 3: get heavy, We get heavy with the realization that F's
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  Speaker 3: Master is not dead and that he's actually now like
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  Speaker 3: a sith Lord. How did you feel about this reveal?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: Because we didn't really talk about it in our rankings,
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  Speaker 3: how did you feel about this reveal? Along with all
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  Speaker 3: of the flashbacks and the fight.
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  Speaker 2: I really dug this reveal doesn't feel a little No,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say it feels a little out of
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  Speaker 2: place because the Master is brought up in the village Bride,
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  Speaker 2: so that connection isn't just a random twist and going
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  Speaker 2: like hey, like, here's your master, surprise, And we did
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  Speaker 2: get some flashbacks of f like growing up with her
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: master and like learning about the Force and everything, but
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: we never see his face until this final moment, and
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: then the next flashback we get we get to see
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: his face. So I did like it. It did feel very
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  Speaker 2: a new hope almost because of him going through into
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: or Ron, going through the ship and like implanting the
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: carbonite guys like, hey, we've got to destroy the ship.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: We've got to destroy the tractory kind of thing, and
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: then Luke coming face to face with Vader and be hmm,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: so like I enjoy the battle. The other thing that
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  Speaker 2: got me as a reference to the movies is the
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: move that takes out F and her master Anakin Skywalker
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: getting his legs and arms cut off by Oh we.
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  Speaker 3: Are and so does F. F loses an arm and
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: both of her legs. I liked this reference very much
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: because it does and I hope it does teach the
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: Star Wars universe, hey don't try this, you know. I
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: hope that in the next time we see something that
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: could be it in live action, there's a there's a
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: moment of pause that's like, hey, let's not do this.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: But I loved this whole interaction with F and Zero,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: the fight, the bed of roses, throughout the entire thing,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: which is of course a callback to her flashbacks. I
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: loved it all. I thought it was so so fun.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: And I do like this idea of we've seen more
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: so that it's becoming a trope, especially because of some
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: things that we've read in the High Republic, the idea
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: that Jedi who kind of lost their way and become
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: part of the dark side after death quote unquote. It's
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: it's a trope that I kind of wish keeps going
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: because I love it.
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  Speaker 2: It really, it really does provide such an impact to
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: the character to the characters involved within the trope in itself,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: and yes you can call it a trope, I feel
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: like and I'm perfectly acceptable with that. Like, at the
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: end of the day, it's it provides such layers of
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: depth and really exploring who made who and how do
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: I come out of my master shadow one way or another. Yeah,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: it's so cool. I love it. The last thing I
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: wrote down with this one, animation still looks super good.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: Story is still average and there's nothing wrong with that. Like,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: it's a very simple story and at the end of
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: the day, we can still dig it.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And the only thing I will say that is
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: I guess somewhat of a negative is uh, And we've
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: already talked about it with our previous episode. Unfortunately Kinema Citrus, right,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: is that what the Kinema Citrus is not the studio
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: I would go with when you know, nominating episodes for
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: for awards like this one, although beautiful in the moments
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: that it is purely beautiful, we need to look at
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: the entire aspect, which is why we chose The Bird
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: of Paradise as the Hey, this should be the one
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: for awards. With this, I do also think that it
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: is an average story. But we talked about in previous
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: episodes with this deep dive of like, hey, what do
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: we want to learn more from now learning about Zero?
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: I want a Ronan esque novel with F. Yeah, to
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: to learn that backstory, to learn like what was it
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: that brought Zero to his downfall? You know, I think
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: that would be so much fun.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would really dig that, especially going back to
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: this episode for the second and third watches, like really
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: dug it. And I think there's a lot in this
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: relationship between F and Shadra Shah slash Zero that could
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: be fun exploring long term.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very much so. But I think that is
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: it for the final part of this deep dive. Of course,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: next week after Thanksgiving, should I say, because this is
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: where we're recording this early, But after Thanksgiving, the very
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: next episode you guys will be here live with us,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: will be for of course all the news that we've
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: kind of skipped over for November, but we will be
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: talking about the Battle of Jackhu. So if you guys
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: want to prepare for that, if you guys have Marvel Unlimited,
• 1:41:25
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• 1:41:30
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• 1:41:34
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• 1:41:56
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• 1:42:01
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• 1:42:05
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• 1:42:11
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• 1:42:17
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• 1:42:20
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• 1:42:24
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• 1:42:28
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  Speaker 2: just one more time, happy Thanksgiving. Whether you were listening
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• 1:43:05
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• 1:43:07
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• 1:43:11
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• 1:43:13
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• 1:43:18
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• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: That's your sister, Sauce. I hope that stays in. I
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: don't know if it actually caught that if anything, If anything,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: I'll cut this and I'll put it at the very
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: end because that was just hilarious. I didn't know you
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: pressed record.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't think about it. It was like I pressed some
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: recorder and I said that, oh, that's amazing.