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Episode 006 - The Southeast Asian Experience and Stand-Up Comedy Shenanigans (feat. Fakkah Fuzz) · Totally Normal Folks

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  I never know what that clap is for Yeah, like I I because I
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  don't edit my I do my broadcasters.
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  It just. Helps so that we can line up the
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  audio from all these things. Yeah.
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  So you just put it all on the timeline and you can kind of,
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  yeah, at like the little spikeware claps and then that
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  just helps the rest, right? Because sometimes you're going
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  to be like trying to line up a person's voice over a 2 hour
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  recording is kind of a nightmare.
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  I might like the 1st guest though if you guys had like a
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  lot other guests on this spot and like.
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  You know the. The 2nd, 6th.
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  What? This is like the 6th episode
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  overall. Yeah.
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  And you're the 2nd guest. Wait, you guys only had 6
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  episodes? Yeah, yeah.
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  And I'm really catching you guys earlier.
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  Oh yeah. You know you're investigating
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  bro. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, we tricked him because he thought this was a big podcast,
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  but it was not. No, no, I like I like I.
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  Bunch of small dudes probably. No, it's it's cool because I
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  like the stuff that you guys are talking about and I kind of like
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  to catch podcast at the at the face where like they don't
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  really have a lot to risk. You know, like I think that's
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  another way of saying that you guys are I still running on a
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  deficit right now like. Oh, you have no idea.
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  Zero money. Zero money.
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  We're all running off of the fumes of your hard work editing
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  all of this. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would love to be paid
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  one day, bro. Please, one day, one day.
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  One day. All we need is like a Malaysian
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  to be here present for it has to have like all the almost the
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  entire like new Santara race here.
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  With the exception of like the Filipinos of course.
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  You all remember Mape Lindo, right?
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  Yeah. I remember my feeling, though,
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  where we had like, it's kind of like ASEAN but more like Malay
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  ASEAN, you know what I mean? Yeah.
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  Yeah. Like, like ASEAN is linked
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  together with like, I guess, you know, contracts and official
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  stuff. Like we were just gonna like,
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  hey, man, let's just link together just based on vibes,
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  yes. Yeah, based on vibes, right?
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  I do love linking based on vibes.
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  Vibe based? Yeah, that.
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  She failed in like 2 weeks huh? People, people fought wars over
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  that shit. Yeah, yeah.
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  People kind of be like, hey, why are you trying to start shit?
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  And we're kind of like, hey, I thought we were all vibing.
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  Right. And then, OK, I'm going to get
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  to some Malaysian hot water again.
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  But I believe it was sort of like Sukarno got really pissed
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  because at the time I think Tumku was kind of like, OK,
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  great, let's do mafia and do it. And then like a couple years
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  later, he was like, you see, the British have spoken to me and we
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  we're, we're, we're we're signing a deal.
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  And it's kind of was like, why you backstabbed me like that.
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  Right, right, right, right. Long.
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  Story short, was Confrontasi before or after Mafilindo?
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  Confrontasi was a result of Mafilindo.
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  Falling apart? Yeah, right.
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  Straight. Getting straight.
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  In straight into hot water. Yeah.
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  Confrontasi was because Myfilindo didn't work out.
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  One of the reasons, yeah. Right, right.
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  And then you guys just lost steam like halfway through.
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  You guys just went Nah, You know, it was one or two, one or
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  two attacks and then you guys just went Nah, I think.
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  I think we're good, huh guys? Yeah, we, we stopped because of
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  the because of the coup. Yeah, we we stopped because.
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  Oh, there was that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So the lore is pause, pause. All right, Hey.
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  Folks, welcome back to the Totally Normal Folks podcast.
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  That was a that was a doozy, but I don't know how much of that
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  will keep in. But damn bro.
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  I'm your host for this episode. Arias, Delta and my Co host as
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  always. We've got Daniel in the house.
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  We're missing Satya for undisclosed reasons, but in his
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  place we have a very special guest all the way from Singapore
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  slash Kuala Lumpur. We have Fat 3 Rashid AKA Can I
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  still say you're? Yes, of course, of course.
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  AKA five of us right here in the house with us.
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  Yo. Thank you for.
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  Thank you for having me. I'm so glad whenever like
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  especially with you guys. I think you guys have the right
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  kind of crowd. Whenever you want to mention my
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  you know my the name that I used before.
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  You'll be like can I date, name you and.
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  I was like, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  That's, yeah, man. That's the right, that's the
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  right term, date, name. You know I've transitioned, so
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  can you guys respect my decision I'm.
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  Respecting it. I'm respecting it right now.
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  Respect artist formerly known as.
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  Yeah. So no Danny, cause I've, I've
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  seen them clips, man. I know you guys go deep.
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  So I just wanna see how, you know what I mean.
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  Like you, I I think it's like a trigger when I talk.
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  Yeah, sorry. You know, it's a trigger when I
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  talk about it. And you're like, alright man,
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  here's what went down in the 70s.
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  Shit. Yeah.
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  We go, we go down the rabbit hole very easily, very fast
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  here. Yeah, but past 3.
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  Thank you so much for coming on the show.
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  Yo, you are the 1st guest that we have that has a Netflix
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  special. Hopefully not the last.
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  Yeah, Panji. Panji can suck my Dick, Yeah.
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  You want to prove him wrong? Panji, come on the show.
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  Exactly, Exactly How you doing? He's my homeboys.
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  Homeboys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I'm doing his club this week actually, Yeah.
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  But dude, like actually this is like wild because he reached out
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  to us right through the DM and I was like, yo, this guy, who is
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  this dude? I'm like, I'm like yo, but wait
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  a second. Blue check mark though you can.
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  Buy that nowadays. Dude, buy that.
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  That's true. Yeah.
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  But then like, you know, I checked you out.
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  I'm like, whoa. Like this dude is like an
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  actual, like, big name. Like he's got Netflix specials
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  up to Wazoo. He has like, he has like all a
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  big social media presence. Why is dude coming on this like
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  like broke ass podcast? Because.
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  I saw that one clip. That one clip.
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  Because I saw that one clip, Daniel, that's your your boy.
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  I had to come through and straighten you out, bro.
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  You out here saying you like Malaysian food more than you
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  like Indonesian food? I'm here to defend Indonesians.
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  I'm here the defendant and I live in Malaysia, man.
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  I've had our food. But you can't.
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  You can't do Boxo like that, bro.
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  You can't do Boxo like that. You can't do Nazi.
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  You do like that. You know what I mean?
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  You can't do, you can't do NASCAR like that.
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  A lot of my friends that I know personally 'cause, you know, my
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  job gets me. I mean, there's a lot of
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  Malaysians at my job in Singaporeans to do it.
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  Then they, they came at me, bro. They, they were like, I'm sorry,
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  bro. Unfortunately, I can't stand you
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  with that. What were you doing?
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  You deserve all the Flack, all the heat that you're getting.
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  And I'm like, oh, come on. What was like the most like out
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  of pocket comment that you got that you were like surprised,
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  like you would expect a lot of things, right?
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  I mean, it usually comes from a lot of frustration, but like,
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  what were the ones that what were the ones that you got?
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  Like what the what? I don't remember, I think it's
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  mostly after after like a certain amount of views.
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  I just like no, I'm not going to look I'm not going to go into
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  that comment section because it's nasty like but some of the
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  the things that actual people in my life reached out to me what
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  they kind of went like bro, how could you do Nazi U look like
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  that Nazi kandar so mid. Bro and I'm like, you know.
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  I had, I had to go through all those comments because like, I'm
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  running the, the pages, right? Yeah.
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  And and when I tell you bro, the Malaysian's worth evening, one
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  of the one of the comments that we get a lot in that particular
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  clip was for the call. Even though they speak English,
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  IQ still 78 bro. Holy.
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  Shit, man. Bro, you don't I don't know how
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  it is with like the netigens here because call it netigens,
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  right? Yeah, netizens, but we call it
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  netizens. We we, we, we I think we call it
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  the same thing yeah. They get really nasty, man.
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  So what we, the term that we use in, in, in Malaysia, and this is
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  only if like you get to a certain demographic and then you
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  touch that demographic and you're fucked.
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  So it's called machi bawang, right?
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  Machi bawa. So it's basically like Malay
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  aunties. So what, what they are relating
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  it to that Malay aunties that get nasty and they gossip when
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  they're cutting onions, you know what I mean?
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  So, so them, them that group, when they get on to the comment
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  section, they're usually defending city Naliza or
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  something. You know what?
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  When Yeah. Like if if you like attack your
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  favorite artists like they they come at you as hard as K pops K
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  pop. These are the stands, but
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  they're like like. Like Auntie?
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  Yeah. Auntie stands.
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  Yeah. This.
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  Is pretty fucking wild. Yeah, I think, I think I've
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  heard of those. Thank God.
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  I don't think we experienced it that much because I think we
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  kind of reach more of like a Gen.
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  Z crowd, although like, you know.
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  Wait wait, the ones in a man? Are you a Gen.
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  Z? Yes, I think a lot of them are.
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  I have no idea. Right, they don't even have the
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  attention spent to stay mad at you that way.
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  You were you worried about? You know, late millennials, you
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  know, like 90 to 95. Kids right, right, right, right,
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  right. Just got your first child.
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  Second child. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Or like maybe they're like out there, they're like, you know,
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  maybe they're like, maybe they have like I'm going to school.
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  Maybe like they have like civil service in their dreams one day.
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  And they're kind of like, you know, I gotta stand up for my
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  country and being. Like stand up for like.
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  Why you gotta glaze it like that?
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  I think patriotism is, is, is something that is a little bit
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  foreign to someone who comes from Singapore.
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  It's not that we're not proud. You know what I mean?
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  You feel me? It's not that we're, we're not
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  proud of where we're, we're proud at how efficient Singapore
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  is and we're proud at how well Singapore is doing.
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  But the whole idea of like, I'm representing my flag, it's
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  probably stronger outside of Singapore than it is inside
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  Singapore. That's true.
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  You know what I mean? Like, so for, for if if you were
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  to tell me right now to my face, yo, man, Singapore food sucks.
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  And I'll just go EFA now. I'm not even going to defend it.
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  I'm not even like, maybe people in Singapore would would
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  generally also would just be like, yeah, man, you got a
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  point, huh? You, you could say that because
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  everything you guys do, we do a more sterilized version of yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, we do almost sterilize.
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  What do you mean not even? Like whatever street food that
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  you have, it does. Ours doesn't come with struggle,
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  you understand? Ours.
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  It's too easy. Yeah, yeah.
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  Ours is like, like, like the like the, you know, when you
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  serve, you know, when like you go to like an expat area and
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  then they charge you like to it $12.00 for like a like a Nazi
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  that you could get from a Waru. Yeah, same thing.
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  Yeah, same thing. It's like it's so so that on a
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  larger scale is what Singapore is.
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  It actually reminds me kind of like I saw this clip of like an
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  old Singaporean man being being interviewed and it's like, yeah,
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  what do you, what do you miss about, about old Singapore?
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  It's like, oh, I can't smoke anywhere now.
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  Like I have to walk so far to smoke.
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  And also I miss all the hopper stalls that used to be on the
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  streets now. Yeah, it's too clean, man.
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  It's too clean. It's a yellow box bro.
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  Now it's a yellow box every time you want to smoke.
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  And don't ever. Please do not bring vapes to
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  Singapore. I swear they are on a crack.
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  They'll kill you bro. Yo, Singapore does not like
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  vapes, OK? Because like we got Chinese kids
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  in the corner fucking overdosing or like, whatever that, whatever
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  there's. A laced fit, right?
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  Yeah. I don't know what it's laced
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  with. So like, like now it's like a
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  full on thing in Singapore where like, vapes are, vapes are,
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  yeah. Like absolutely no vape.
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  No vapes. No vapes.
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  They'll they'll they'll they'll, they'll take it when they'll,
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  they'll go through your back and they'll take.
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  It go back, they got like a red bin.
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  Sorry, they got like a red bin, Yeah.
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  Where you throw your vapes in before you enter.
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  Although like I, I, I still do know people.
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  I'm not gonna out them obviously, but like I still do
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  know people in Singapore who still get their vapes and
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  somehow and you know their their other illicit shit.
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  Mostly men. I have no idea what you're
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  talking about. Exactly.
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  Yeah, this is yeah. It's like, you know, just like
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  cuz like as good as OK, obviously if you're arriving to
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  the port or airport security super tight, like like chunky,
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  greatest airport in the world and like super.
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  Scary. Right.
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  But when you're coming down from JB, just like Chuck it in the
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  back and they kind of say drive and I've had friends.
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  Your boy wild, bro, Your boy wild.
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  Yeah. Oh, you gotta find that out you.
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  Know people who have gone through the JB checkpoint hey.
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  Hey, hey, hey, listen, listen, listen.
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  Like I'm just pointing out that what you could get in trouble
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  with in Singapore, man, it's like a very small place,
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  motherfuckers, you know what I mean?
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  Like don't, don't, don't come through with that energy, you
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  know, just. Like, just know what you're
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  like, walk around you find out, just know what you're getting.
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  Into dude, can I just say, though, I think that that what's
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  fascinating right about the like, there's a lot of basically
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  we're divided politically, but like culturally we have a lot of
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  the same kind of roots, right? So, so I think what's very
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  fascinating is how the political division, right, has defined
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  the, the, the use of language and also like what we do to try
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  and differentiate the, the, the place where I'm from compared to
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  yours. Like, for example, Basa
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  Indonesia as a language that's been standardized in, in, in
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  Indonesia as like the official language right now.
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  The iteration of that was the that like is correct me if I'm
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  wrong, it's a derivative of the Malay language.
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  Yeah. And then it was upgraded into
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  Basa Indonesia for like wide understanding.
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  Yeah. Right.
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  Now, some of the words that y'all use in Basa Indonesia
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  means a completely different thing in Malay, you know what I
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  mean? So like sometimes where y'all be
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  saying that shit like I'd be like what the you know, like I
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  my first girlfriend was for OK, my first girlfriend was when I
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  was in high school, I went to I went to a school in Malacca.
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  My first girlfriend was represent.
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  But yeah, I was from Pokan Baru, right?
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  It's a it's a chindo girl from Pokan Baru, OK, And and she said
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  she said this to me. She said like I was too
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  nonchalant. So she's like, it's like I like
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  like now here's the thing. Butu in Malay means a completely
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  different thing. So it's like I don't butukan
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  you. What is you need more Butu in
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  your life. You know what I mean?
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  So like, you know, you feel me? So I was like, I was like,
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  what's going on? Only to find out that Bhutto
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  means need, right? But Bhutto doesn't mean need.
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  It's a different, yeah, it's a different angle where I'm from.
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  Does it mean balls? No, no, it means.
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  What does it mean? It means it means Dick.
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  Yeah. So it was like, you don't dig
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  me. I'm like, oh, I haven't been
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  digging you down. Like we were both 15, you know?
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  So I didn't have. Yeah, it was a.
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  Little bit like oh what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So, so but then like when, when you learn that, I do kind of
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  feel like Indonesia though, like like you guys, you guys have
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  managed to take the language and, and, and turn it into like
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  a like a very rhythmic flow. You made like Basa, like Malayu
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  more rhythmic. However, Malay is, is somehow
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  melodious than it is rhythmic. Does that make sense?
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  Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  But you know, like people, I think, I don't know if this is
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  this, the sentiment is true or not, But I've, I've read it
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  somewhere where a lot of Singaporeans, they, they like,
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  they like the fact that a lot of us and our ethnic, the various
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  ethnic groups in Indonesia all speak the same language, kind of
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  like a unity kind of thing. And they, they vibe with that.
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  And we're over here like, well, a lot of repression went into
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  that, man. It was kind of like, yeah, it
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  was kind of like, no more speaking.
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  Chinese for you. Oh, oh, oh, right.
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  So I didn't know that. So, so in efforts to stand OK,
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  through the path, through where you guys wanted to be
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  standardized, there was, you know, some shit went down.
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  Now you're just trying to say, oh cool, cool, cool, cool.
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  And I mean, a lot of it happened during, you know, the the old
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  man's time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  You all had a who we were talking.
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  About you all. Had an old man too.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's old man bro.
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  Universal Southeast Asian experience have like, oh,
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  there's that one old man. Yeah, yeah. 70s and 80s.
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  Around the country. Oh.
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  Man, which old man do you think? Like, you know what?
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  Cambodia's old man was pretty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Vietnam's old man was a good guy.
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  Vietnam old man was like. The only you know, honestly,
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  yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  Vietnam's old man was like, hey man, let me just you know.
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  Yeah, let's get out of here. Yeah, get folks.
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  Yeah, Yeah. And then and then they were
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  like, oh, let's name the whole city after you.
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  You know what type shit. Yeah, I like it.
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  Yeah, I think we didn't name. It cities here after him.
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  But y'all had like 2 old man's one was like, we just gonna do
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  this ourselves and then you know, and then the Dutch is out
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  now it's just us. And then you got the old man
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  after that. Yeah.
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  When? Bring the white people back.
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  Bring them all back. Yeah, be like you want.
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  We got all the gold palm oil. We.
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  Got gold, we got oil, we got oil.
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  Right, right, right, right. Right.
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  Money we we open. One of the wildest stories I
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  think I've ever heard was I think this is like a maybe
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  conspiracy or not, but like it's a I think the, the, the 1st
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  president like they had like a set.
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  They tried to blackmail him with a sex tape.
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  Oh, that I Yeah, yeah. This is a very common story.
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  Yeah, that was in his memoir. So like, they tried to like,
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  blackmail him with a, with a sex tape and then he proceeded to
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  make copies of it. Did he make copies of it?
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  I think did, yeah, because it wasn't in the KGB spy or
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  something. I can't.
• 16:47
  Remember, whether it was on the CIA or KGB, it's one of those
• 16:49
  two obviously, right? But they tried to blackmail him
• 16:51
  and, and, and his response was sort of being like, yeah, go
• 16:55
  ahead, release it. Cuz, you know, it was like kind
• 16:58
  of like so that the whole world can see like.
• 17:01
  You know, see my stroke. Yeah, yeah.
• 17:03
  No. So.
• 17:03
  Yeah, Roe is 1 freaky ass. President so the whole world can
• 17:06
  see like, like, basically like, you know, a brown man fucking a
• 17:09
  white woman. And then and then and then
• 17:11
  everyone's like, yeah, the optics of that is actually not
• 17:13
  quite good. Yeah.
• 17:15
  Yeah. Yeah, it's like about time y'all
• 17:17
  gave back, yeah? Roe is just horny IRL 24/7 bro.
• 17:22
  Hey bro. And he was and he was like, I
• 17:25
  will not for like he was. He did a lot of good things, I
• 17:27
  suppose, but he was also one of the most misogynistic men.
• 17:31
  Have you ever read his memoir? Yeah.
• 17:33
  And yeah. Where he's kind of being like,
• 17:36
  like, oh, yeah. He, you know, he does.
• 17:37
  He has the whole thing of like, you know, women belong in like
• 17:40
  the kitchen and whatnot, right. And there would be a lot in his
• 17:43
  memoir. And he was also just like a
• 17:44
  very, very well known. He could not keep it in his
• 17:46
  pants. Let's just say that he's like.
• 17:48
  Officially. Sounds like a good hang, yeah?
• 17:51
  I want to smoke with this guy. I have a beer with this.
• 17:54
  Guy 5 wives. So many wives, bro.
• 17:57
  Yeah, we lost count of the. Save some for the rest of us.
• 17:59
  I mean like yo, the the pick up line is hey man, you know who's
• 18:03
  in charge? That's.
• 18:06
  The pick up line. Yo bro, I'm in.
• 18:09
  Charge, you know, you know this country you're in fine.
• 18:12
  Yeah, damn. It just started to rain really
• 18:14
  heavily as soon as we go to the juicy parts of this pie.
• 18:18
  I'm a, I'm a say in Southeast Asia.
• 18:20
  That's like, that's like, what do you call it?
• 18:25
  Superstitious, Right. In a way.
• 18:26
  True. Yeah, and the rain's been really
• 18:29
  wild right now. Yeah, like it's the whole day,
• 18:31
  but it's not like consistently the whole day.
• 18:33
  It's just off and on, off and on.
• 18:35
  But like. What, what, What is it about
• 18:37
  Singapore that you guys like, Like envy and you wish that you
• 18:41
  had in your bed? Let me, let me go, Let me go,
• 18:44
  go. You go, you go.
• 18:45
  I'm a big like public transport guy, Manager just laughed off
• 18:53
  screen. But but yeah, like I'm a big
• 18:55
  public transport guy and. Know why?
• 18:58
  You know why? You know why we allow?
• 18:59
  Because we're in this big ass house, you know?
• 19:02
  That's why, that's why I'm a big public transport.
• 19:06
  Guy, no you're not. No.
• 19:08
  No, no, no, no, no. This is more square feet than
• 19:12
  you've ever seen in your. Life, yeah.
• 19:13
  I know. And it's like, you know, you
• 19:15
  don't say the public transport. It's like, it's like, it's like,
• 19:17
  it's like listening to me saying, oh, you know what?
• 19:19
  I love living in small apartments, but I'm living in
• 19:22
  this big ass house. Just to be clear, I don't live
• 19:24
  here. But anyway, yeah, yeah, dude,
• 19:27
  just straight off the bat, like Singapore's MRT system is crazy,
• 19:31
  dude. We here, we have like one line.
• 19:34
  We have one line and then that's it.
• 19:35
  And it's like it. Took us 15 years to make 15.
• 19:37
  Years, bro yeah, to get that one line and we're.
• 19:40
  Talking about the line that that hits to the to the airport.
• 19:44
  No, there's a sub. We have a subway system and our
• 19:47
  call system is like one line, but like it goes north to South,
• 19:50
  basically. They're expanding it further
• 19:52
  north. But yeah, like just just on that
• 19:56
  point, like getting anywhere here is a fucking nightmare.
• 19:59
  Getting anywhere in Jakarta is a fucking nightmare because like
• 20:03
  traffic is insane. And even we have.
• 20:08
  We have a public transport network, we have trains,
• 20:10
  commuter rails and stuff like that, but getting the first and
• 20:13
  last mile is always hellish because it's hard to get from
• 20:17
  from where you are to the stations a lot of the times.
• 20:19
  Is it true that your city is sinking?
• 20:22
  Yes. Whoa.
• 20:23
  It is singing as we speak, right now, as we.
• 20:25
  Speak right now. It's sinking.
• 20:26
  Yeah. So what's the really?
• 20:27
  When you go home after this podcast.
• 20:28
  You'll see some evidence of that yourself.
• 20:31
  Give. Me the weather.
• 20:31
  What's the what's the rate of your city sinking like?
• 20:34
  Like is it like 222 centimeters a year or something?
• 20:38
  Like is there a rate? I'm gonna look it up.
• 20:40
  Look it up. Look it up.
• 20:41
  Is Jakarta sinking? But like, you know, like what's
• 20:43
  the, what's the I think in? The parts that I do know is I
• 20:47
  think in like some of like the northern like settlements, I
• 20:51
  think the water is already something crazy like.
• 20:55
  Yeah, I got. I got the thing.
• 20:56
  Like 70 or like more millimeters, like the water line
• 21:00
  is already above, like where the ground is.
• 21:01
  So they have to build like a, like a.
• 21:03
  Like a big wall. You guys are like Venice, man.
• 21:05
  A little bit. Yeah, it's like shittier, have
• 21:09
  more trash in it. Yeah, OK.
• 21:11
  This is from Google AI Overview. So yeah, stick us with a grain
• 21:13
  of salt. A 25 to 30 centimeters per year
• 21:17
  and that's and it's faster in some some parts of North Dakota.
• 21:21
  30 centimeters a year is yeah, yeah is crazy bro.
• 21:25
  Yeah, yeah. 30 centimeters. Some some parts have sunk 2 1/2
• 21:29
  meters in just ten years. What's the cause of the sinking?
• 21:31
  Is just too many buildings or what?
• 21:33
  That's number one, but 2. So again, we were called us by
• 21:38
  the Dutch and you know how the Dutch love lowland, you know,
• 21:41
  like right, right. And I think they just came here
• 21:43
  because it was like generally very similar geographically to
• 21:47
  where they were. But then also, you know, after
• 21:50
  everything post independence and everything, I think the main
• 21:54
  reason why we're sinking is on top of all the buildings.
• 21:57
  What not we obviously it's a big city.
• 21:59
  So you need to like pump out groundwater because you need
• 22:02
  water to live and the the soil underneath Jakarta is kind of
• 22:06
  like also held up by the groundwater.
• 22:09
  So the more people move in, the more groundwater you pump up,
• 22:12
  the more hollow the ground underneath gets.
• 22:14
  Oh my God, yeah, that's a nightmare bro.
• 22:16
  Yeah, because it's kind of like the the ground, the soil,
• 22:19
  basically. I don't, I don't know what the
• 22:20
  exact size. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:22
  But it's generally quite muddy. So the more groundwater the you
• 22:26
  pop out, you know, the more compact the yeah, yeah, mud gets
• 22:29
  and bugs go, yeah, lower, lower. Yeah.
• 22:32
  That's what the the country's leadership have basically
• 22:35
  abandoned Jakara. They're kind of like, fuck it,
• 22:37
  this doesn't work, let's move. Yeah, you guys, is everybody
• 22:41
  supposed to move to Kalimantan by by, by by a certain time,
• 22:45
  right? I doubt it.
• 22:46
  There. Was.
• 22:47
  Is this, is this a topic we're not supposed to talk about?
• 22:48
  Now we can talk. About.
• 22:49
  But there was a plan and it was pushed very, very hard by the
• 22:52
  last administration by Joe Kobe. And then, you know, like
• 22:56
  probably won the election and then, you know, we had different
• 22:59
  plans and cutting it. And now we don't really talk
• 23:01
  about it that much. Yeah.
• 23:03
  Yeah, It used to be the only thing they talk about, like
• 23:06
  press stores bring. Yeah, like a bring like, you
• 23:08
  know, Chinese investors, American investors. $10
• 23:11
  trillion, yeah. Yeah, are like to the point
• 23:15
  where like unfortunately he's not here, but like he has a
• 23:17
  story where like I'll see because like our missing podcast
• 23:21
  house, not Kim, but like the yeah, last year.
• 23:24
  No, no. Two years ago.
• 23:25
  Was it like he missed his wife's birthday because they made him
• 23:30
  fly? All the way out there.
• 23:31
  To the jungle and do a report. Oh yeah, yeah, 'cause they were
• 23:34
  like, they were pushing that shit hard, man.
• 23:36
  They were like, you know, bringing all the investors.
• 23:38
  They had like parades and stuff like that, even though there was
• 23:40
  like nothing there basically. That's crazy.
• 23:43
  It was just crazy. Yeah.
• 23:44
  So now you guys just don't talk about it.
• 23:46
  It's 30 centimeters a year. It's crazy, Yeah.
• 23:48
  It's like in 10 years that's yeah, it's like could be.
• 23:52
  Big parts of the the city might be underwater by 20-50,
• 23:56
  something like that. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 23:59
  That's in our lifetime. We're going to get to see.
• 24:02
  We got to get to see the city turn to Venice in our lifetime.
• 24:05
  Yeah, exactly. It's a good time to.
• 24:06
  Buy high rise apartments. What?
• 24:10
  Nah, it's a good time to. Like no, no, wait, do you think
• 24:13
  the the shift over to Kalimantan is going to work or do you think
• 24:15
  it it will it will work? Well.
• 24:19
  That's right. Cool.
• 24:20
  Cool. Cool, cool, cool, cool enough
• 24:21
  being for real that's. Something you know, because like
• 24:24
  they, they. Came up with a report recently
• 24:25
  right where like only 10% of the of the civil.
• 24:30
  Servants. No, no, no, but like they.
• 24:32
  Opened it up for like investment and only like 10% of that has
• 24:36
  actually been like snapped up by investors.
• 24:38
  So on top of that, we don't have any actually have any money to
• 24:42
  build the place. We just kind of being like
• 24:44
  because The thing is the. Waters, they're kind of I mean
• 24:46
  the, the the weather, the weather I wish I.
• 24:49
  Wish our politics was as interesting as yours.
• 24:52
  Like we do not have. We do not have anything bro.
• 24:55
  We don't have, we don't have. Take it bro, you don't have it.
• 24:58
  We don't have. Anything remotely as
• 24:59
  interesting, which is like, I don't know, maybe a blessing.
• 25:02
  And also, I mean, it's, it sucks for comedy, but like, you know.
• 25:06
  You make a killing, you know. You know.
• 25:08
  It. Sucks for comedy but like for
• 25:10
  just more material. Generation like.
• 25:12
  Generally everyday folk like the, the, the recent one, it's
• 25:16
  probably something you might have heard of.
• 25:18
  And then when you're looking at it, you're going like, you know,
• 25:21
  like we had like 1 corruption case, OK, where this minister of
• 25:26
  transport, he didn't even receive money, bro.
• 25:28
  He received gifts and the gift was a Brompton bike, a foldable
• 25:34
  bike. And listen to how you're
• 25:37
  laughing right now. You're like, he went to prison
• 25:39
  for that. But that was a serious offense
• 25:41
  in Singapore, bro. Can you imagine a minister
• 25:44
  receiving a gift from someone that's not in politics to to to
• 25:48
  to you? Know can you?
• 25:50
  Can you? Imagine that.
• 25:50
  Just just think about it. A politician receiving money
• 25:55
  from an outsider? That's incredible bro.
• 25:59
  That's like, that's like like every other.
• 26:01
  Monday bro like. Every.
• 26:03
  Other week here. Imagine.
• 26:04
  I find it. Difficult.
• 26:06
  I find it. Difficult, yeah.
• 26:07
  So. So so so.
• 26:10
  So. So when it happened to us, we
• 26:12
  were like. Do every time.
• 26:13
  Every time I tell Malaysians this story, they'll be like, oh,
• 26:15
  free him, he's innocent, free him.
• 26:18
  A bicycle. Great bro, Racing didn't even
• 26:21
  get his money's worth. So the man loves health, yes?
• 26:26
  To him. Geez.
• 26:27
  God, yeah. Some people they get like flown
• 26:30
  out the private jets, casinos, Ferraris, you got a folder like.
• 26:37
  You can't forbid a man has hobbies but was like the.
• 26:42
  Was the sentiment when when that news broke among general
• 26:45
  Singaporeans for like? This was.
• 26:48
  Generally, the reaction of like most Singaporeans, when they
• 26:51
  heard it, they were like, oh. Yeah, that's OK.
• 26:54
  That's it. That's the only expression.
• 26:57
  Now, there you go. Oh, he got a follower.
• 26:59
  Did he get money? No.
• 27:00
  No, not just gifts, Right. Oh, wait.
• 27:03
  Or do. Yeah, let me say it.
• 27:05
  He got. He got a.
• 27:06
  Foldable. Bike and two Hamilton tickets.
• 27:10
  Straight. To the.
• 27:11
  Electric chair, Bro Electric. Chair man, I'm saying front.
• 27:14
  Row. My man.
• 27:16
  Definitely right now. That.
• 27:18
  Is top tier. Corruption bro in Singapore,
• 27:20
  straight to the gulag bro. The audacity of this man.
• 27:26
  Send him straight to Changi. Yeah, Yeah.
• 27:28
  So. So, yeah, so, so, so we got that
• 27:31
  guy and then we had with the in this case, nobody really got
• 27:37
  arrested, but there was a leader of opposition party, I think he,
• 27:42
  him and who he was working with like a partner.
• 27:45
  So the the both of them were in parliament and then the partner
• 27:50
  or the of the opposition party's leaders partner at that time or
• 27:53
  no, no, not like personal partner, like political partner.
• 27:56
  At the time she spoke about, she, she told a story about her
• 28:02
  taking alleged girl to A, to A, to a police station for a sexual
• 28:08
  assault case. But turns out that it was a
• 28:12
  fabric allegedly, I don't know if it's confirmed now and, and a
• 28:16
  fabricated story. So that means you're lying in
• 28:19
  parliament. So then somebody had to take a
• 28:21
  hit for lying in parliament. And then, and then, I mean,
• 28:23
  correct me if I'm wrong at any point, but like she, she quit
• 28:27
  politics and then he recently just got removed from politics.
• 28:32
  But that was kind of like a year to what, a 4-5 year long type
• 28:37
  investigation? I know, I know.
• 28:38
  You're looking at me going like cute, right?
• 28:41
  Lying in Parliament. Lying.
• 28:42
  In Parliament. Can you imagine?
• 28:43
  Somebody not telling the truth, a politician not telling the
• 28:46
  truth. Can you imagine that?
• 28:47
  Yeah. Can you imagine that?
• 28:49
  Saying it's. Unbelievable, bro.
• 28:52
  No, Yeah. So that's as.
• 28:53
  Much as we. Have like home.
• 28:55
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel sorry you guys are.
• 28:58
  Stunned right now at. How so?
• 29:00
  Sorry for you bro, I'm speechless.
• 29:01
  Having to live. In a fucking hell hole like
• 29:04
  that. We were talking about, though,
• 29:07
  what? What what we like from
• 29:08
  Singapore? Give him an.
• 29:09
  Indonesian citizen right now. Give him an Indonesian.
• 29:13
  Give him right now. A visa.
• 29:15
  'S fine. A visa's good.
• 29:18
  I don't need. To I was gonna say the public.
• 29:21
  Transport that one and like, you know, general walkability and,
• 29:25
  like, air quality, cleanliness, you know, just like, honestly,
• 29:30
  this stuff that people glaze Singapore over a lot here, Yeah.
• 29:33
  We're just like, Oh my God, bro, the streets are so clean.
• 29:36
  Yeah. You know, all that kind of
• 29:37
  stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:38
  We. We do have that going on for us,
• 29:40
  bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:41
  Well, yeah. I'm.
• 29:46
  I'm going to say I, I don't, I can't really think of something
• 29:49
  that I envy Singapore a lot for these days because I thankfully
• 29:53
  I've like, I, I've in the last few years, I've made a lot of
• 29:56
  like Singaporean friends and also like Malaysian friends.
• 29:58
  And I, I think I would remember a time where I used to glaze
• 30:01
  Singapore out of being like again, like, you know, public
• 30:03
  transportation, stuff like that. But then sounds like someone got
• 30:06
  some employment. I know, yeah.
• 30:11
  But then I guess like and and then.
• 30:15
  Like I went to like KL for the first time in my life
• 30:18
  effectively. And then be like, you know what,
• 30:20
  everything that I thought I like Singapore for KL seems to also
• 30:24
  have. But just like, you know, like
• 30:26
  slightly better, you know, And so I'm kind of being like, I
• 30:30
  like this kid. Yeah, your managers, yeah,
• 30:31
  agree. With me, yeah.
• 30:32
  Yeah, like. Get this.
• 30:33
  Manimalian Citizenship. Right now bro.
• 30:37
  He's feeling for it, bro. You got.
• 30:38
  Metallic you got. Like chicken rice and like the
• 30:42
  the good kind, the EPO fry like and then you got you got like
• 30:45
  Mama stalls that are open till like 2:00 AM and then like I
• 30:49
  thought I liked the Singapore. This is the same sentiment as
• 30:52
  the. Last time, yeah.
• 30:53
  You love bro? Double down.
• 30:55
  Fuck yeah. I love that shit.
• 30:56
  Double down on that shit. Bro come.
• 30:58
  At me. I thought that like, OK, sure, I
• 31:01
  think again, like because like the Jakarta and the public
• 31:05
  transportation is pretty bad. But then I I was on like the the
• 31:08
  KL based 1 is like, you know what still this actually.
• 31:11
  It's pretty good. It's not, I would say that like,
• 31:13
  yeah, it's not an octopar with the Singapore one because the
• 31:15
  Singapore one still takes the cake.
• 31:17
  But like the the KL 1 is like pretty good.
• 31:20
  And so I'm being like, you know what?
• 31:22
  I don't feel like I need to glaze Singapore as much anymore,
• 31:25
  especially when you guys live in like an open air mall,
• 31:27
  basically. Yeah, yeah.
• 31:30
  It's an airport bro. It's a large airport.
• 31:34
  That's your. Airport is the best you.
• 31:35
  Spent 50 years building 1 dude. 65.
• 31:39
  Years 60. Five.
• 31:40
  There you go. My bad.
• 31:42
  Wait 60 years. Go.
• 31:43
  Come get him. Wait man, so so it.
• 31:46
  Is it? You never really leave the
• 31:47
  airport. That's why a passport is so
• 31:49
  strong. I thought it was.
• 31:51
  Because of British colonization. Because we're an airport bro,
• 31:56
  you know? I mean, yeah.
• 31:57
  So, so, yeah, I think KL is probably a good middle ground
• 32:02
  between like Jakarta and Singapore for someone that,
• 32:07
  that, that, that enjoys really the, the, the culture and the
• 32:10
  great of things. KL still has that.
• 32:13
  Because if you go to Singapore and you come straight from
• 32:15
  Jakarta, you find that that's like, it's all it's, it's, it's
• 32:19
  Truman Show like, like, like Loki Truman Show, like, you know
• 32:22
  what I mean? It's like, man, everything is so
• 32:24
  like programmed and it's, it's, it's so cute, like.
• 32:29
  It's yeah, it'll be like, like I.
• 32:31
  Won't go here, but I. Know Malaysians, I've spoken
• 32:34
  with the Malaysians who was like yeah, Singapore have no culture
• 32:37
  and I think like. I'm not going to go there
• 32:39
  because. Again, I don't know, I I don't
• 32:41
  really have to do it. Bro.
• 32:42
  Singaporeans. Are not going to come at you
• 32:44
  bro. They're just going to agree
• 32:46
  with. Me.
• 32:46
  You know why? Because.
• 32:48
  Because their lives are great not it's a perfect.
• 32:51
  Life room, nobody ever complaints about anything.
• 32:54
  It's really not like. Complaining is our national
• 32:57
  hobby, but like, it is our national hobby.
• 32:59
  But The thing is, we don't have that kind of energy to go online
• 33:02
  to do that. Yeah, like generally you're too
• 33:04
  busy working. Yeah, yeah, we're so busy.
• 33:07
  Trying to make ends meet or stay above water in Singapore.
• 33:09
  That like if something pisses us off on the Internet, we get over
• 33:13
  it by the the next day. Like we don't really have, you
• 33:17
  know, a lot of things happen in Singapore.
• 33:18
  Like sometimes people go crazy on the MRTS and stuff like
• 33:22
  they're cursing up. That stuff dies out the next
• 33:24
  day. You know, it's not yeah, yeah,
• 33:26
  it's pretty busy. Probably Amos E is the biggest
• 33:28
  thing that happened. OK, that's actually like.
• 33:30
  The thing that I want to ask you about where like, you know,
• 33:32
  there there seems to be like a lot going on.
• 33:35
  People just kind of like keep their hands down and work right.
• 33:37
  Yeah. And so this is a big thing that,
• 33:39
  you know, like people who glaze Singapore in this country are
• 33:42
  going to be like, yeah, but like, you know, look at how good
• 33:44
  they're like living standard is. And their income is like highest
• 33:47
  in the world. They're like, I don't know, top
• 33:48
  10 or right. Like you're, you're like your
• 33:50
  eerie income per capita. Yeah.
• 33:53
  What is it actually like? Is that something that like, you
• 33:56
  do feel the impacts of it be like, Oh yeah, look at my
• 33:58
  salary, It's so big. Well, or is it like, what's the
• 34:01
  working culture? They're like I don't and I don't
• 34:04
  know if. I'm the best person to kind of
• 34:05
  talk. About this right now, because
• 34:07
  like, you know, I, I don't I'm not, I haven't been based there
• 34:09
  for about like seven months, but I have been based there for
• 34:13
  almost all my life and a good portion of my life was also, you
• 34:17
  know, just doing menial work and also doing like just just odd
• 34:21
  jobs. It is tough to make ends meet in
• 34:24
  terms of like finding housing and also affording housing,
• 34:29
  affording rent, affording daily, daily necessities.
• 34:33
  And you kind of have to like scale down and kind of find the
• 34:35
  cheap options to things because as much as the dollar is strong,
• 34:39
  the, the cost of living there is also high.
• 34:42
  So like we're really trying to battle that and trying to scrape
• 34:44
  through that. You can't, I don't know if
• 34:47
  there's minimum wage in Singapore.
• 34:48
  Is there minimum wage in Singapore?
• 34:49
  There isn't minimum wage in Singapore.
• 34:50
  So like so, so you know, so, so we, we kind of have to fight to
• 34:54
  try, try and like survive or stay abroad.
• 34:56
  But once you make it out of that, then then I guess it's, it
• 35:01
  can be quite a cruisy life, except that space is something
• 35:05
  that's not readily available to Singaporeans.
• 35:07
  So as so, so subconsciously, you still feel like you're, it's
• 35:13
  kind of like a pressure cooker environment, you know, and, and
• 35:16
  I will, I say, I say this in, in Full disclosure, that this is
• 35:22
  just my opinion that I feel like because we followed like an
• 35:27
  invisible system for so long, you know, like a system that has
• 35:30
  made it work or a system that has been put in place that
• 35:33
  discipline. Singaporeans right now, it kind
• 35:36
  of, it feels like we're following an imaginary Big
• 35:39
  Brother Loki, you know what I mean?
• 35:40
  Like, it may not be as, as as harsh as it used to be, or it
• 35:44
  may not be as stringent as it used to be, but Singaporeans by
• 35:47
  nature have already programmed ourselves to understand that,
• 35:50
  OK, this works in the most efficient way.
• 35:53
  Therefore, nothing can veer away from the, from what works,
• 35:56
  right? Because that's why everybody
• 35:58
  kind of like lives, how they lives and are how they are is
• 36:01
  because like what's not broken shall not be fixed.
• 36:04
  So, so that, that that is kind of what the mentality of
• 36:07
  Singaporeans are right now. It's not a question of like, oh,
• 36:12
  it's we're, we're we're satisfied where we are.
• 36:14
  It's a it's a question of that. We know it's hot here, but it's
• 36:18
  the safest here. Yeah, that's, that's where
• 36:20
  that's where we're at at the moment.
• 36:22
  And I think you travel outside the world and experience a
• 36:24
  little bit of grit. You know, it's slowly, I feel,
• 36:28
  again, my opinion chips away at your character a little bit.
• 36:31
  You know that you become, you become a somewhat robotic.
• 36:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that's why arts in
• 36:38
  Singapore. Is the most thriving scene in
• 36:41
  like. Oh really do?
• 36:44
  Tell Yeah, everyone's just kind of.
• 36:47
  Like heads down, focus on making money just it is money is a.
• 36:52
  Financial, financial success is, is one of the main key points of
• 36:57
  like survival in Singapore. You know, you kind of have to be
• 36:59
  that and and granted that for every problem Singapore has, it
• 37:05
  has a solution implemented by the government that works well
• 37:09
  or semi well, depending on your situation.
• 37:11
  You know, there's welfare programs, there's like there's
• 37:15
  not a big homeless population, but also there's like elements
• 37:18
  within that that don't really suit individual needs.
• 37:21
  But then that's that's usually the answer that Singapore gives
• 37:25
  where it's like, oh, what will you do about this problem?
• 37:27
  Or we already put this program in place.
• 37:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that.
• 37:32
  That kind of like. Happens in the country, but it's
• 37:35
  small, so whatever happens still feels manageable, you know what
• 37:39
  I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:40
  What's the population at right? Now what are we hitting 7
• 37:44
  million right now bro? Damn, pissing me the fuck off
• 37:47
  bro too many. People, too many people it's.
• 37:50
  So dense. It's so dense.
• 37:52
  It's insane. I know this was the vision, OK.
• 37:55
  But it's like there's too many people for too little space.
• 37:58
  It's just you don't. You just don't feel.
• 38:00
  Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 38:01
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:02
  And I think a lot of main cities are like that.
• 38:04
  Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 38:05
  Like Jakarta, I guess it's kind of a dense city as well, right?
• 38:08
  You have no idea, bro. Yeah.
• 38:10
  I think we're, I think we just won like the most populated city
• 38:12
  in the world, right? Something like that.
• 38:14
  Yeah, like 41. 1,000,000 something.
• 38:15
  Shit, yeah, I'm. A I'm a Shut up.
• 38:18
  We have more than let's probably like wait, wait.
• 38:23
  In Jakarta alone, there's 40 something million.
• 38:25
  So in the Greater Jakarta. Metropolitan sorry in Central
• 38:28
  Jakarta. The special region of Jakarta is
• 38:31
  11,000,000. Yeah, and the greater
• 38:33
  metropolitan era area is of 41 point something.
• 38:37
  I'm gonna go ahead and shut the fuck up.
• 38:40
  No, cuz we got, we got you. Yeah, here with full.
• 38:43
  Confidence going like, yeah, so Desmond they're like bro
• 38:47
  situation for. People.
• 38:50
  Then I believe it is lovely. Yeah.
• 38:53
  All that energy. Yeah.
• 38:53
  No, but I do. I do understand it.
• 38:58
  I think it was like, again, I don't know.
• 39:00
  I come from, again, Jakarta, where there is, it's just like
• 39:03
  you, you go up a building and it's just building as far as you
• 39:06
  can see. When I was in Kli was kind of
• 39:09
  being like, oh wow, they have space for trees here.
• 39:12
  And it's like more, more trees than I would see here.
• 39:15
  You were surprised by that? I think so no cuz I think.
• 39:19
  Like trees are something that I expect to see in like a suburban
• 39:21
  area, but once you enter a more like, you know, central area,
• 39:26
  it's really difficult to like see like, you know, pieces of
• 39:32
  like, you know, like Greenland that isn't specifically kind of
• 39:36
  like, oh, this is a park and even park we don't we don't
• 39:39
  have. A lot of public green spaces,
• 39:43
  yeah. Like the biggest green space
• 39:45
  that we have in Jakarta, Glorabuncarno, Yeah, is
• 39:48
  technically private. It's like it used to.
• 39:51
  Be government land and then they sold some of it.
• 39:54
  That's kind of like the Which. I'm sure was completely.
• 39:57
  Completely over above board. Everything would you say?
• 40:00
  Would you say that? Like culturally you guys are a
• 40:02
  little more liberal or more conservative in terms of things
• 40:05
  because I've seen, I, I personally think you guys are
• 40:08
  more liberal than it is in, in outside of Indonesia.
• 40:11
  If you feel like Indonesia's conservative because like
• 40:14
  that's, that's first of all, there's a wide spectrum, you
• 40:17
  know, of, of, of, of cultures that you guys have and that,
• 40:20
  that, that spectrum kind of gives you guys a little bit more
• 40:22
  space. I especially love when I see
• 40:26
  it's, it's so crazy when I see, when I see these supermodels,
• 40:30
  right, right. It's just just supermodels like
• 40:33
  fucking, you know, bearing. Bearing it all.
• 40:37
  Right PST DS coming out there going assalamu alaikum, looking
• 40:41
  like that. I'm like wow, you know what I
• 40:43
  mean like you, you it's it's it's it's crazy.
• 40:46
  It's it's crazy to see like like that.
• 40:48
  So I don't think that kind of. Freedom.
• 40:55
  Well, no, I want to say freedom. Freedom's not a good term, but
• 40:57
  like I, I don't think it's as liberal.
• 40:58
  Like we don't talk about, we don't joke about for the
• 41:01
  comedians. We don't joke about religion or
• 41:03
  anything like home, like over here.
• 41:05
  They do. I think we do we.
• 41:09
  I think it's also kind of. Like a topic that we tiptoe
• 41:13
  around, right? Yeah, I think if you say
• 41:15
  Jakarta, compared to the rest of Indonesia, Jakarta is definitely
• 41:18
  more aggressive or a liberal. Yeah, but I feel like that's
• 41:22
  like the case with a lot of major cities.
• 41:24
  Yeah, just in general, right. We adopt A very like we.
• 41:27
  Don't talk about that kind of like like LGBTQ rights.
• 41:31
  Oh no, yeah, they're here. Do we talk about them?
• 41:33
  No, not really. We don't, right.
• 41:34
  Yeah, right. Unless it effects you
• 41:37
  personally, we don't think like we kind of brush it under the
• 41:39
  table, which I guess has its, we kind of like, you know, a lot of
• 41:44
  people here. I guess it's just like, yeah, if
• 41:45
  you like stay in your lane, you know, don't ask, don't tell,
• 41:48
  kind of right. But generally societally as
• 41:51
  well, what I found is, you know, like, you know, the usual joke.
• 41:54
  I was like, Oh yeah, I'm socially progressive, but you
• 41:56
  know, fiscally conservative. We're kind of the other way
• 41:58
  around where we're, I think we're from vastly different
• 42:00
  circles. My circle joke like that some
• 42:03
  people. Do.
• 42:04
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but they're kind of like
• 42:05
  we are socially conservative, but fiscally very leftist
• 42:11
  because I obviously, you know, with our founding fathers,
• 42:13
  Sukarno, we had the big, you know, a leftist like I think we
• 42:16
  call it like Marahainisma where it's like, yeah, it's like to
• 42:19
  like, you know, power to the, to the small guy, to the to the
• 42:22
  farmer, you know, And so I call it Marahainisma.
• 42:24
  Yeah. Yeah, fuck, I'm going to use
• 42:26
  that now. Yeah, feel free to.
• 42:28
  Yeah, like Marahain, like. The whole, the whole concept,
• 42:30
  Yeah. So like a lot of our policies
• 42:32
  are kind of like all used to be. At least they're, they're still
• 42:36
  quite strongly supports like the working class, right.
• 42:41
  People where, you know, we, I think our, our unions are still
• 42:47
  pretty like basically strong and like our, we the unions are
• 42:51
  strong, yeah. Technically, I think some.
• 42:53
  Places the law like well that that change was like the omnibus
• 42:57
  law right in 21. But before then it was actually
• 42:59
  quite robust, which is why the like like blue collar factory.
• 43:04
  Worker unions. OK, yeah, then.
• 43:05
  Then the legal protections around that we also have BPHS,
• 43:08
  which is something like socialized health care here,
• 43:10
  right, which, you know, even America doesn't have, right.
• 43:13
  And then we that then for that it still doesn't work very well,
• 43:16
  but we that's kind of like a normalized thing.
• 43:18
  And so it's weird where we have, we can see some traces of like
• 43:23
  we used to be a pretty socialist country.
• 43:26
  Yeah. But then like culturally
• 43:29
  speaking, it's still kind of kind of like, I don't know, it's
• 43:31
  it's I feel like it's, you know, religion is not a religion.
• 43:36
  Still a a touchy topic here. So, but it's so diverse.
• 43:39
  Though it's so fascinating to see.
• 43:41
  Yeah, I think it's more like the.
• 43:42
  If you talk about some what I know about, like you know about
• 43:48
  Malaysia is like there are like stringent rules, actual like
• 43:53
  legal ramifications. If you talk about, you know,
• 43:55
  yeah, the three Rs and like, yeah, yeah, like a if you were
• 43:58
  right, you know about the three Rs.
• 43:59
  Yeah, I know. About the three Rs.
• 44:00
  Tell me about the three. Rs I mean, I don't know the.
• 44:01
  Three Rs I made a like shot of. Myself, race, religion and.
• 44:05
  Royalty, you don't talk about the three Rs.
• 44:07
  OK, Race royalty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:10
  Yeah. Mainly because.
• 44:12
  Of. I mean, there was the, the, the,
• 44:14
  the, the what was the the the, the big?
• 44:17
  Was it the May riots? Which 13th May right?
• 44:21
  Wait, wait, wait. Yours was in 1990.
• 44:23
  Where was your where was your belief versus Chinese riot?
• 44:27
  Ours was May 13 in the 60s. I forgot with you.
• 44:30
  I think 60 if I'm not mistaken. 65, Yeah, if I don't mistaken.
• 44:33
  Look it up, look it up. Kayak, can you look it up?
• 44:36
  If it's May in 65, just give me a thumbs up.
• 44:38
  If it's 65, but like May 13th, I think 65.
• 44:42
  That's our that was pre pre separation, I think or post
• 44:47
  separation if it's 65, yeah, 6464 pre separation.
• 44:52
  Yeah, 64, yeah. So that's pre separation, yeah.
• 44:54
  So I think that led to yeah, the separation.
• 44:58
  So, so yeah, yours is actually. I have to, I actually do.
• 45:01
  I have. To do an assignment for that for
• 45:02
  my job where I wrote about the, you know, because like the
• 45:04
  Sedition Act was also a big thing in Malaysia, right?
• 45:06
  Where they kind of like you get the Sedition Act, you get that
• 45:10
  and stuff like that. So yeah, we have.
• 45:12
  Like was yours in 98? Well, that was a big race,
• 45:17
  right? So we have multiple, actually,
• 45:19
  yeah. You only got 1, so 98 was the
• 45:24
  big. One where it's mainly racially
• 45:26
  motivated, but there was also 65, which, you know, that was
• 45:29
  when, you know, the big Cold War, kind of.
• 45:31
  Rolled over and it's so hard to. Talk.
• 45:33
  And that was right. It wasn't racially motivated,
• 45:35
  but it was divided pretty well. It was a red scare.
• 45:38
  Yeah, it. Was like a Red Scare kind of
• 45:39
  thing. Like if you were a communist,
• 45:40
  you, your family gone. You know, right?
• 45:42
  So during the takeover. That was not racist motivated.
• 45:45
  It was more of like political, like like, like, yeah, yeah.
• 45:48
  I mean left right, like communist.
• 45:50
  Versus like it was a. Low key.
• 45:53
  USUS backed yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 45:56
  Back regime change. Yeah.
• 45:58
  Yeah, that was like a global. Regime change, that Usus was
• 46:01
  interfering with everybody that was trying to like, yeah, yeah,
• 46:05
  yeah. Venezuela, which is funny.
• 46:06
  Happening again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:09
  You get. AUS backed regime change,
• 46:11
  Vietnam. Yeah, Korea.
• 46:12
  Was everywhere. So, so then, so then the one
• 46:16
  that that was like mostly racially motivated was probably
• 46:19
  the one in 98 I was saying the most.
• 46:22
  Racial and and that was like because of.
• 46:23
  Was that because of like the economic state of like the the
• 46:27
  like one party felt like, or one race felt like all the other
• 46:30
  races capitalizing most monopolizing the economy.
• 46:35
  And they were like, oh, let's let's only take them out through
• 46:38
  violence. Yeah.
• 46:39
  So I think. Let me get into some hot water
• 46:44
  again. Fuck yeah, dude, because.
• 46:45
  I I mean like. It was very similar where like I
• 46:49
  think similarly in Malaysia, like, you know, Mahathir kind of
• 46:53
  did this thing where like, you know, like we want to have sort
• 46:56
  of like a capitalist elite class that also happened to be Malay,
• 47:01
  right? Because before then the British
• 47:03
  were kind of like, I think like a lot of no happened to be,
• 47:05
  preferably. I mean, because, you know, like
• 47:09
  I think. The British at the time were
• 47:10
  kind of being. Like, yeah, we.
• 47:11
  Were only going to do business deals with the Chinese and I
• 47:13
  think that was kind of sort of similar things.
• 47:16
  Yeah, the Dutch would kind of be like the Chinese are already
• 47:19
  like merchants and trade, but let's just deal with them and
• 47:21
  then they'll deal with like and and that kind of did not go away
• 47:25
  for our country. So during like the 60s and the
• 47:29
  70s and the 80's, the sort of like the we actually had the
• 47:33
  nickname for them. I don't know if it's sort of
• 47:35
  derogatory, but at this at this same time, is it the Dragons?
• 47:37
  Yeah, the nine Dragons, 9 Dragons.
• 47:39
  Oh, is that? The rogue that sounds.
• 47:41
  So cool. It does sound cool if I was.
• 47:43
  Chinese, I'd be like, yeah. Fucking that's sick dude.
• 47:45
  I am the dragon. I am the dragon.
• 47:47
  It's kind of being like, Oh yeah.
• 47:48
  Chinese Dragons, you know, because yeah, that's.
• 47:53
  You know, that's so sick. Hey, man.
• 47:55
  I don't make the rules. Imagine imagine someone being
• 47:58
  really PC. Look, we can't call the Chinese
• 48:01
  Dragons anymore and the Chinese like no, it's called the red
• 48:06
  Dragons and we just covered. Where is yeah, when you when you
• 48:11
  say Dragons, you mean the dragonlass.
• 48:12
  And they, they, they are in charge of the Yeah, So the nine
• 48:15
  Dragons are. Nine families who were like a
• 48:19
  conglomerates, right? They were like filthy rich.
• 48:22
  You know how like you know which so funny for us for us this
• 48:26
  apparently for us the standard for riches also owns a house
• 48:29
  owns a bungalow in Singapore Yeah yeah, yeah, Cuz I get
• 48:32
  there. There are people who alone you
• 48:33
  know they they send their kids to the Harvard, they have money
• 48:36
  fly the private jets everywhere. That's how big the money was.
• 48:39
  They would they would own islands and shit.
• 48:40
  Wu Tang Clan. Cream.
• 48:43
  Get the money Hey dollar dollar bill y'all not the.
• 48:46
  Wu Tang Clan OK, gay no but. What happened was sort of like
• 48:51
  the the president so hot at the time, I think surrounded himself
• 48:54
  with a lot of these businessmen. And they became like the
• 48:57
  economic face way. Yeah.
• 48:59
  Of like, what was happening this way, way.
• 49:02
  You mean you had a president? And then his homeboys got rich.
• 49:05
  Yeah. We don't know anything about it.
• 49:07
  Yeah, that's. That's.
• 49:09
  That's purely the Indonesian thing.
• 49:10
  It never happens outside of this.
• 49:12
  No, it never. Happens outside of this.
• 49:14
  It never happens out of. No, but like the The funny thing
• 49:18
  is like his homeboys were interestingly in his homeboys,
• 49:22
  his inner circle. Was.
• 49:24
  Quite diverse, right? But through some.
• 49:28
  You know, sort of like. Social engineering sort of
• 49:30
  thing. The famous ones were the Chinese
• 49:34
  because I think it was, it was just very easy to single out.
• 49:37
  And I'm, I'm pretty sure the president himself, you know, did
• 49:39
  nothing to dissuade that persuasion, but obviously it was
• 49:42
  very convenient for him and his family, his dynasty, right?
• 49:45
  So when the economy tanked, right, you know, the, the Asian
• 49:49
  financial crisis, and then our currency went from ₹2000 to a
• 49:56
  dollar to ₹17,000 to a dollar, which is like, well, like a 800,
• 50:02
  No 8, 100%. Yeah, it was.
• 50:04
  It was. Bad, right?
• 50:05
  It was really bad. You know, food started running
• 50:08
  out, and I guess people got really angry.
• 50:10
  Yeah. But then a lot of it were also,
• 50:12
  like, racially motivated and kind of being, like, something's
• 50:16
  wrong with the economy. Must be the Chinese people's
• 50:18
  fault. And then they just kind of like,
• 50:19
  you know, went through like, Chinese neighborhoods, like
• 50:21
  burning and like, you know, lots of other bad things.
• 50:24
  And lots of other bad things. Unsavory things, yeah, and.
• 50:28
  And you know, and. Then the regime, but also, but
• 50:32
  also essentially what happened was that the his regime did not
• 50:34
  survive that and they I'm trying to find a similarity.
• 50:38
  Where a marginalized groups of people finds out that their
• 50:44
  problem was actually another group of people that's go with
• 50:48
  money around the world. I don't know where to draw,
• 50:52
  Yeah. It's on the tip.
• 50:53
  Of my tongue I don't. Know where to draw it parallel.
• 50:57
  Where do we go from here? We're kind of.
• 51:00
  Going back to ourselves, to the corner.
• 51:01
  Here SO. You were saying sorry, my bad,
• 51:04
  that was. A joke, my bad.
• 51:05
  But like yeah only. There.
• 51:07
  Was some other thing that happened?
• 51:09
  Yeah. No, but yeah.
• 51:11
  Though, so that's like. A like a big thing here, but
• 51:15
  it's just yeah, like a lot of those laws.
• 51:18
  I need to go back to your initial question.
• 51:20
  When it comes to like the the three R, So we don't have the
• 51:22
  third R, we don't have royalty here, right, right, right.
• 51:24
  But like, when it comes to like race and religion, I think
• 51:28
  there's not a lot of like laws that prevent you.
• 51:31
  It's very difficult, I think, to like move.
• 51:34
  To like galvanized. Law to actually like address
• 51:37
  that right but that being said, I think a lot of this pushback
• 51:42
  happens more socially rather than like I will arrest you on
• 51:46
  these grounds because it's difficult to like put that to
• 51:48
  hold up in court. I think maybe in the last 10
• 51:51
  years there's a bit of a change that.
• 51:52
  But historically it's kind of been like, you know, people
• 51:56
  instead of like, I'll take you to court, it's more like, you
• 51:58
  know, meet me outside a kind of culture where people kind of
• 52:02
  like take into their own hands or they just kind of like,
• 52:04
  right, right. Socially, people kind of like
• 52:06
  come together and like shame you for it, but but I feel like but.
• 52:09
  I feel like now, but I feel like now because we have the
• 52:13
  defamation law, which is like the OR it's like under the, it's
• 52:17
  called the IT law here where it's like, yeah, which I have no
• 52:21
  idea what that. Is quite similar.
• 52:22
  Quite similar. But like.
• 52:24
  It's basically it. Anything you say kind of like
• 52:28
  online, like if you post something or anyone can kind of
• 52:33
  because it's such a such a rubbery thing like you can, you
• 52:37
  can kind of stretch it to fit in any mold you want to.
• 52:39
  Yeah, yeah. Let me see.
• 52:41
  Let me let. Me look up what what ITE stands
• 52:43
  for ITE yeah the. ITE law.
• 52:46
  It's basically. Being used by a lot of people.
• 52:48
  Mostly like powerful, you know, political people, public figures
• 52:53
  to be able to silence a lot of their dissidents.
• 52:56
  Kind of like, because it fits to anything, like you say anything
• 52:59
  kind of bad. Oh, this is like you're defaming
• 53:01
  me so I can take you to court And like the the legal president
• 53:04
  is there. Oh, well, we have that.
• 53:05
  We have that. In on a lighter version, it's
• 53:07
  called POFMA. It's the proliferation of false
• 53:10
  media act. Is that all got it right.
• 53:14
  So, so, so, yeah, so, so it's kind of like the same thing
• 53:18
  where like if they find that you're saying something that
• 53:21
  could, that is like, well, they deem it under false media.
• 53:24
  So if they're like the information that you're saying
• 53:26
  is like this is false information and it can you.
• 53:30
  And I guess within that you, if you're a Singaporean, you have
• 53:33
  to pay a fine. And if you don't pay a fine,
• 53:34
  then you, you might serve jail time.
• 53:36
  It's pretty straightforward, man.
• 53:38
  It's pretty straightforward. We'll be Googling, bro.
• 53:40
  I was trying to Google it or. I was trying to Google like what
• 53:42
  the what the law that we had was called because I believe
• 53:45
  initially the law was created to sort of like protect online
• 53:51
  transactions because people were getting like scammed online.
• 53:53
  So we're like, Oh yeah, we need a law that covers like anything
• 53:57
  that happens on the Internet. Thank God they made it because.
• 53:59
  No one gets scammed ever again. Yeah, go away bro.
• 54:03
  Yeah. Wait, wait.
• 54:04
  You. Guys, said that one.
• 54:05
  Thing where like you that like like you ban like TikTok TikTok
• 54:11
  sellers or something like people but like TikTok marketplace yes
• 54:14
  right yeah, the TikTok. Shop got banned until they
• 54:18
  signed a deal with a local company.
• 54:23
  So so now whenever you open TikTok here and you open TikTok
• 54:27
  shop, it always takes you to like a tacopedia portal instead
• 54:30
  of like a it's it's so interesting man I'm.
• 54:32
  On your podcast and like you think that you're going to ask
• 54:34
  me questions, but I'm more curious about yoga.
• 54:37
  I'm not discovering things by Indonesia.
• 54:38
  I was like, no, let me ask y'all yeah, what the fucks going on?
• 54:41
  I'm. Super.
• 54:42
  Interested in what's going on? This is because you're asking
• 54:44
  him. Questions And I'm like anytime
• 54:46
  you ask him a question there's like a like a 30 minute tangent.
• 54:49
  Unfortunately, we. Have to find ways to kind of.
• 54:52
  Halt the brakes. We have a guest here bro.
• 54:56
  No. Yeah, exactly.
• 54:58
  No, but it's cool. So, yeah, so that, but that was
• 55:01
  a small thing, right? A TikTok shop thing?
• 55:03
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:06
  That was the reason. So the reason riots that you
• 55:09
  guys is so crazy, bro. There's so many things that
• 55:11
  happen in this country, bro, like you.
• 55:12
  You know what? Feel free to ask me about the
• 55:14
  colorful politics of my country anytime, anytime.
• 55:17
  Any questions? Raise up OK anytime you feel
• 55:19
  like man in Singapore like and recently you guys just had
• 55:23
  another riot the one with the grab driver that rest in peace
• 55:27
  so more than that yeah so he. He got.
• 55:30
  He got run over by a police car. Yeah, it's.
• 55:34
  Basically. A tank.
• 55:35
  Yeah, it's a tank. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:36
  So he got. He he got run over by a police
• 55:38
  tank and that was so unfortunate and and because of that and that
• 55:43
  was during the riots, because the riots was based on didn't
• 55:46
  mean correct me if I'm wrong, but it was based off like the
• 55:50
  the dissatisfaction over a salary increase.
• 55:54
  Yes, yes, basically in the in the, it's basically the.
• 55:58
  Salary the the house representatives basically got a
• 56:02
  salary increase by like 30 mil or so, something like that.
• 56:07
  I can't remember the exact number, but basically it's an
• 56:09
  allowance, housing allowance, housing allowance like this is
• 56:14
  this is extra money so that you can stay in like a nice place.
• 56:17
  But you've got to keep in mind like 30 mil in Jakarta buys you
• 56:20
  a lot. Yeah, I think what they were
• 56:22
  asking. For is like the housing
• 56:26
  allowance that they were asking for was 10 times the minimum
• 56:29
  wage a month. And so people were kind of like,
• 56:33
  I can barely eat. Yeah.
• 56:35
  And they already he live in like, yeah, second houses.
• 56:38
  So only like dancing in Parliament.
• 56:40
  There was the dancing stuff. Yeah, they.
• 56:42
  Were dancing, they were sleeping.
• 56:43
  There's so many just be just like dozing off, you know, stuff
• 56:46
  like that. Yeah, they'd be sleeping.
• 56:48
  They'd be. Dancing.
• 56:48
  They'd be watching porn, straight up.
• 56:50
  Whoa. Whoa, there are.
• 56:53
  Cases of that. Like they're just on their own,
• 56:57
  just like watching casually watching porn.
• 57:00
  Yeah, in the middle of a session.
• 57:04
  No, they just got big. They really can't help it.
• 57:07
  Bro. I gotta do it right now.
• 57:10
  Imagine if that shit happens in Singapore bro imagine.
• 57:14
  No way we had. One guy almost doze off like one
• 57:17
  time. You see, we remember it.
• 57:19
  Till today we remember. It today.
• 57:22
  It's a historic. Moment where?
• 57:24
  That guy. And then we had another moment
• 57:26
  where former Prime Minister, he he was in some, I think, I think
• 57:31
  his question, there was questions about him and, and
• 57:35
  something to do with his brother or something.
• 57:37
  And then he just went on and he just said like he just went on.
• 57:41
  He went on the standards like that.
• 57:42
  Well, he's my brother. And then like he walked away.
• 57:44
  Something like that, something like that.
• 57:46
  Like, but like that was like when he spoke a little sternly
• 57:49
  out of character in parliament. Like our parliaments do it.
• 57:53
  It's like the most it yeah, it's there is that there are no
• 57:57
  arguments. There are only discourses.
• 58:00
  OK, yes. I've.
• 58:02
  Seen. Yeah, I've.
• 58:03
  Seen some of the photos. Boring as hell, yeah.
• 58:05
  And then like like like. Issues are raised for, you know,
• 58:08
  what a parliament is like actually functioning like how it
• 58:11
  actually supposed to function like.
• 58:12
  We follow the rules because it's in the rule book.
• 58:15
  They love the rule book. It's.
• 58:17
  In the rules it's. In the rule book, you're just
• 58:19
  supposed to raise an issue and then it's discussed by a panel
• 58:23
  of the, the, the, the, the people in the seats of the
• 58:26
  parliament, and then they take a vote.
• 58:28
  That's a democracy. Yeah.
• 58:29
  And then we see all these other people in your parliament
• 58:33
  dancing, watching porn, fucking, yeah.
• 58:36
  Yelling at each other and. Shit I I will say though.
• 58:39
  I think Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, I think so, Like, we
• 58:44
  do get a lot of drama here and a lot of it's either like very,
• 58:47
  very like goofy dancing stuff, you know?
• 58:49
  But there's also a lot of drama that happens behind the scenes
• 58:51
  in our. Yeah, right.
• 58:53
  What are your thoughts because. I'm sure, I don't know if you've
• 58:55
  seen this, but I'm sure you've seen it as well.
• 58:57
  The Malaysia because I think when it comes to like the
• 58:59
  Parliament, Malaysia thinks OK because I, I.
• 59:03
  I I so. Many times I get like the the
• 59:06
  Malaysia video compilation. Yeah, where people were.
• 59:10
  Just like going. Off of the.
• 59:12
  Crazy room I love. That I love that Malaysia
• 59:14
  Parliament core. Exactly.
• 59:26
  This is. A show.
• 59:27
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I.
• 59:29
  Do really? Like that sometimes.
• 59:30
  I mean like damn, why can't we? Be funny.
• 59:32
  Like, yeah, hear about your job. It's.
• 59:34
  Crazy. And they will never.
• 59:36
  Apologize in Parliament. It's crazy like so that's that's
• 59:39
  one time. I think the our former, let's
• 59:43
  say our because I live in Kiana and our Malaysia's former Prime
• 59:47
  Minister to Nautamaati. He, he went on and he would say,
• 59:50
  he said something like, I think he says, I, I, I can't, I, I
• 59:54
  can't really pull word for what, what he was saying.
• 59:56
  But basically he was saying like, oh, the government needs
• 1:00:00
  to take on or listen to the voices of, of the people, you
• 1:00:05
  know, instead of just, instead of just doing everything that,
• 1:00:10
  that, that they will themselves to do, you know, and, and, and,
• 1:00:13
  and not caring about whatever he said something like that.
• 1:00:16
  And then somebody went on the mic.
• 1:00:28
  Bro is so. Hilarious.
• 1:00:30
  I can't I can't tell what the right words are, but if anybody
• 1:00:33
  can find that clip, please, please, please put the clip.
• 1:00:35
  We'll put up. We'll put it up so.
• 1:00:37
  Fucking funny bro. Yeah, yeah, so funny, dude.
• 1:00:40
  Yeah, but I do, I do love because.
• 1:00:42
  They would just be throwing shade at each other non-stop,
• 1:00:45
  right. And I feel like that that's so
• 1:00:46
  funny to watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:48
  I think it's. It's hilarious.
• 1:00:49
  More of that. It's here actually.
• 1:00:52
  Yeah. I I I do you guys.
• 1:00:53
  Find that? How old are you guys?
• 1:00:55
  We're 20. Eight, yeah.
• 1:00:58
  So we're we're both born. 97 Yeah, we're 29 this.
• 1:01:01
  Son. Son, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:03
  Do you do you find themselves like did because like for for
• 1:01:06
  Singaporeans, we don't really get interested in politics until
• 1:01:08
  like a lot later in in our adult life.
• 1:01:11
  Because when only when it comes to a point where we're we, when
• 1:01:15
  we want to do things that involve policies by the
• 1:01:19
  government, like, you know, national service, maybe buying a
• 1:01:23
  house and all that. And, but like, generally when
• 1:01:25
  you grow up, you, you're, you're quite in a sterile environment
• 1:01:28
  where you don't really need to care about politics.
• 1:01:31
  Is that the same experience here in Indonesia or are you very
• 1:01:34
  well aware of politics at a young, I would say at a?
• 1:01:37
  Surface level, maybe if you're a kid, because like it's very like
• 1:01:43
  the the pomp and circumstance and just the ceremony of like
• 1:01:50
  politics is permeates your daily life from a young age.
• 1:01:54
  I remember I had like a, my family's big on like this one
• 1:01:58
  particular party. It's the bid to eBay party yeah.
• 1:02:01
  And I remember as a kid I would have you know, a lot of like
• 1:02:05
  party merch and shit like that. I I don't I'd have like I'd have
• 1:02:09
  APS 2 memory card and on it was the sticker like a the Red Bull
• 1:02:13
  sticker of like the of like the party.
• 1:02:16
  Yeah, bro, I know, I know a couple of.
• 1:02:19
  Your of your parties. That's a yeah, that's a gold
• 1:02:25
  car. Is that still around?
• 1:02:26
  Yeah, that's still around. That's yeah, your name those.
• 1:02:30
  Are the only two fucking name? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:32
  But yeah, I don't do the biggest.
• 1:02:33
  Ones I. Believe so, Yeah, Pedepe is.
• 1:02:37
  Interesting. Because it's a party that is big
• 1:02:39
  with a lot of non right like in. In Bali, that's kind of.
• 1:02:43
  Like Bali is what you'd call the the one of the Kandangan thing.
• 1:02:47
  Like the the bull cage like that.
• 1:02:49
  Yeah. Like where it's a stronghold for
• 1:02:51
  that particular party. But anyway, yeah, it's like, you
• 1:02:54
  know, that's as far as like your exposure to politics from an
• 1:02:58
  early age, but you don't really actually get into it or care
• 1:03:01
  into it similarly to like, you, like you get into it like when
• 1:03:05
  you're older, like at least past voting age, I suppose, you know?
• 1:03:08
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:03:09
  Right. Right.
• 1:03:09
  Right. Right.
• 1:03:10
  Hey, man, shout out Indo me too, man.
• 1:03:12
  You guys, that's like probably one of the biggest exports that
• 1:03:14
  you guys say. Shout out, Indo me, shout out
• 1:03:15
  some porno, you know what I mean?
• 1:03:17
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyone watching from Nigeria?
• 1:03:20
  That's ours. It's not yours.
• 1:03:21
  I'll wait. Hold up.
• 1:03:22
  Hold up, hold up, go to war with the.
• 1:03:24
  For some fucking reason, yeah man.
• 1:03:28
  No, especially. Especially.
• 1:03:29
  While I'm about to get some money out of it, you know, like,
• 1:03:32
  you know, like, listen man, this Prince texted me.
• 1:03:34
  This, Prince emailed. Me said I'm a.
• 1:03:37
  Fortune somebody, but like it's just talking shit, but like
• 1:03:43
  wait, what's the hell I I saw that clip about the Nigerians
• 1:03:46
  and the Indo me. What's what's what's going on
• 1:03:47
  with that? Oh, it's because.
• 1:03:49
  Indomi is just really huge in Nigeria, yeah, we also have a
• 1:03:53
  lot of factories. There, I think we're there so
• 1:03:55
  much so that a lot of. Nigerians thought that Indomi
• 1:03:58
  was Nigerian, which is. Like crazy dude.
• 1:04:02
  It's OK like. I fuck with.
• 1:04:04
  Nigerians. So you can, you know, I don't, I
• 1:04:07
  don't mind if y'all like it, but just don't claim it, you know
• 1:04:08
  what I mean? Yeah, dude, yeah.
• 1:04:12
  You know as a Malaysian slash Singaporeans like they don't.
• 1:04:15
  They don't like it when when we claim we don't we already.
• 1:04:18
  Have too many countries claiming shit that's ours, yeah.
• 1:04:22
  What the fuck are we going to claim, man?
• 1:04:27
  Shit, yeah. Yeah, some it's it's wait, I
• 1:04:32
  read two books about and I don't know a lot about Indonesian law,
• 1:04:37
  but like I think and there's so much that happens in this part
• 1:04:41
  of the world. Is this so interesting?
• 1:04:42
  I read, I read two books, 1 is called Snowing in Bali, the
• 1:04:45
  other ones called Hotel Cay, right.
• 1:04:48
  And those. Two, get out of Perry.
• 1:04:50
  Place get. Out of Perry Place.
• 1:04:52
  No, no, because I think those they always.
• 1:04:54
  Have them in the very place for some reason.
• 1:04:56
  Wait wait, are those like the most mainstream?
• 1:04:58
  Books about those are those are I.
• 1:05:00
  Know they're the one that's always at the.
• 1:05:02
  When you're like imported bookstores, Yeah.
• 1:05:04
  No, but they're always at an airport as well.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah. When you're going overlay, did
• 1:05:07
  you get them at like at the airport or no?
• 1:05:08
  From your way I got it. But yeah, go ahead, go.
• 1:05:11
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:12
  So. Those two are the ones I and I
• 1:05:14
  remember like before. Before that I wanted to go to
• 1:05:17
  Bollywood man. I want to see this.
• 1:05:18
  I want to see this prison man. This prison is probably like the
• 1:05:21
  most it's. Sad to see like the.
• 1:05:25
  You go out there, it's just another building.
• 1:05:27
  Yeah, it's a big wall. Yeah, that's another building.
• 1:05:29
  It's like. It's just there.
• 1:05:31
  I've gone past that building. You think they give out tours
• 1:05:34
  or? Something.
• 1:05:35
  No, I don't know, like. I thought it would like.
• 1:05:38
  Be a. Fully guarded facility, but
• 1:05:40
  turns out just a fucking place, yeah.
• 1:05:43
  Yeah, it was just. Casual.
• 1:05:44
  Yeah. Very.
• 1:05:45
  Yeah. You'd miss it if you weren't.
• 1:05:47
  If you didn't know what you were looking for, it's like in the
• 1:05:50
  prison. You could still hear the music
• 1:05:51
  outside. Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like.
• 1:05:55
  Chill. Over there.
• 1:05:56
  Somewhere, yeah, I'm sure it's really chill.
• 1:05:58
  Vibes in there. I'll get the vibes in the
• 1:06:00
  prison. From what I heard, yeah.
• 1:06:02
  I have like, friends who, like, live near there and know people
• 1:06:07
  inside, I suppose, which is like, that's why, that's why,
• 1:06:10
  yeah. Give me a plug.
• 1:06:11
  In there as well, but yeah. But yeah.
• 1:06:13
  Yeah. So was that like your?
• 1:06:14
  Impression of Bali. No, my impression, well.
• 1:06:17
  My impression of body has always and will always be Australian.
• 1:06:21
  Fuck. Yeah, it's Russians now, bro.
• 1:06:25
  Yeah, it's Russians. Russians and Ukrainians.
• 1:06:27
  Yeah, times have. Changed.
• 1:06:29
  Oh yeah, it's like people involved.
• 1:06:31
  They're like, like they're longing for.
• 1:06:34
  Better days with the. Bogans now they're like, they're
• 1:06:36
  like Russians. Ukrainian.
• 1:06:37
  Ukrainians are way worse, right? Right.
• 1:06:40
  Right, like the bogans, I would say too many, fucking, too many
• 1:06:44
  fucking foreigners out here, man.
• 1:06:46
  Ukrainians, you're like, yeah. Yeah, also they.
• 1:06:49
  What? What caused that migration?
• 1:06:53
  You The the war, The war. The war yeah.
• 1:06:56
  They were draft dodging bro. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:58
  Because like I think a. Lot of like I, I, I don't know
• 1:07:01
  the, the statistics about behind this, unfortunately, but I think
• 1:07:03
  there was like a lot because like, I think a lot of Russians
• 1:07:10
  who like just didn't want anything to do with the war,
• 1:07:13
  right? They all just kind of like came
• 1:07:15
  here. I don't know what the statistics
• 1:07:17
  are for like the Ukrainians. I've heard that it's like less
• 1:07:19
  than the Russians, but I don't know if it's significantly less
• 1:07:22
  or if it's, they're still kind of on par.
• 1:07:24
  But from what I heard, yeah, there's a lot of like Russians
• 1:07:26
  who are just like, you know, buying up land and just, you
• 1:07:29
  know, having like, you know, like building like Russian,
• 1:07:32
  Russian villages at that point they're called.
• 1:07:34
  Yeah. It's basically just kind of like
• 1:07:36
  a like a just like buy out the entire rice field, build a
• 1:07:39
  cul-de-sac and they're all in Russian.
• 1:07:40
  Higher exclusive. Compounds for Russians like all
• 1:07:44
  you hear is Russian. Yeah, it's.
• 1:07:46
  Bad, Yeah, yeah, I, I people who work retail in Bali, they'd be
• 1:07:50
  like, yeah, it's good to know Russian.
• 1:07:52
  You get to know Russian. It is, unfortunately at this
• 1:07:55
  point it's reached that. Level like where there is, yeah,
• 1:07:57
  yeah, where and is there like more and more Russians coming in
• 1:08:03
  or is that colony or colony or is that or is that?
• 1:08:07
  A different place, a different. Place the worst fuck ever that.
• 1:08:14
  Was the worst fuck ever. Let's just take a pause.
• 1:08:19
  Breathe. Breathe.
• 1:08:21
  OK. OK.
• 1:08:22
  Community was what I was trying to say.
• 1:08:24
  Yeah, right. The Russian.
• 1:08:25
  Community is that or is that community?
• 1:08:28
  Expanding on its own now, because I know you have like
• 1:08:31
  laws now, like very strict laws you want.
• 1:08:35
  To speak on that are are resident baladies man, yeah, I
• 1:08:38
  feel. Again, we don't have the data on
• 1:08:41
  like, whether there's still more Russians coming in.
• 1:08:44
  I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
• 1:08:47
  But you know, the, the, The thing is, the problem is that
• 1:08:50
  they're the ones they're coming in, they're buying a property.
• 1:08:53
  Right. Right.
• 1:08:53
  And that's there are supposed to be laws protecting against that.
• 1:08:58
  Yeah. As in like if you're not as an
• 1:09:00
  Indonesian citizen, you're not allowed to buy and own property.
• 1:09:03
  Yeah, but there's lots of ways to circumvent that.
• 1:09:06
  And I believe a lot of the main ways they do is that they would
• 1:09:10
  have someone buy it on their behalf, a local buy it on their
• 1:09:14
  behalf. And but they but they're the
• 1:09:15
  ones still controlling it and profiting it off product profit.
• 1:09:19
  They just be like be given like a cut of.
• 1:09:20
  The profit, right, Right if. If even that, I don't know.
• 1:09:24
  It's even that. No, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:26
  Yeah, but it's very easy for the.
• 1:09:28
  For the one that's owning the house to just go like, hey man,
• 1:09:31
  it's mine now, you know, like kind of yeah, right.
• 1:09:33
  Because you don't. Have any legal?
• 1:09:35
  Documentation to protect you as a foreigner when you're here.
• 1:09:38
  So I guess that's the but I guess they would rather take
• 1:09:40
  that risk than like go to war. That's true and from whatever
• 1:09:44
  they also. Like, again, because like the
• 1:09:46
  people who move here are probably also quite are
• 1:09:49
  relatively wealthy. Most of the times they just, you
• 1:09:52
  know, they just bribe like the local, like, like the land
• 1:09:56
  office or like the Bureau of like, like whoever manages the
• 1:09:59
  land, they just pay them off, you know?
• 1:10:01
  Right. And then after a time, you'd be
• 1:10:02
  like, cuz I what I what I've also heard is that, oh, there's
• 1:10:05
  certain land that's technically like, yeah, like these are like
• 1:10:09
  that, which I believe is sort of like, you know, like, like
• 1:10:12
  ancestral. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:14
  Where? Where's it like.
• 1:10:15
  Oh yeah, you cannot. This land is not for sale
• 1:10:18
  because it's like Malaysia. We call it Tanapusaku.
• 1:10:20
  Yeah, there you go. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:10:21
  So it's. But somehow, you know, the like
• 1:10:25
  the the settlements in the communities somehow end up
• 1:10:27
  there. They must have given them
• 1:10:28
  Brompton. Bicycles.
• 1:10:32
  They're like. Only one.
• 1:10:36
  Full circle. Oh man, oh man, you know what I
• 1:10:37
  mean. Have you considered giving the
• 1:10:39
  rushes Brompton bicycles or God forbid 2?
• 1:10:43
  Not one, but two room. 11's not enough.
• 1:10:46
  Once you get 2, once you get 2. I wish there was a song from.
• 1:10:52
  Hamilton I could quote right now but like I don't know any of
• 1:10:55
  them songs but like 3 Hamilton tickets what am I made?
• 1:10:58
  Of mine, but that's just that's such.
• 1:11:03
  A. It's like a.
• 1:11:04
  Dated thing because I wouldn't think it's probably.
• 1:11:06
  Big in like. 20/15/2016 This was around.
• 1:11:09
  No, this wasn't. Around 2016.
• 1:11:10
  This was like 22 years ago. Oh shit, they're still.
• 1:11:15
  They're still. Hot.
• 1:11:16
  OK, OK. Oh no, this is a Hamilton.
• 1:11:19
  Game in Singapore. Oh yeah.
• 1:11:22
  No, no, the Hamilton tickets was not for for when Hamilton came
• 1:11:25
  to Singapore. I think so.
• 1:11:26
  I think it was Brompton. It was Brompton.
• 1:11:29
  A Brompton bicycle. If we could list that, let me,
• 1:11:32
  let me let me let me let me ask ChatGPT.
• 1:11:34
  So many things you can do with. A bicycle and two Hamilton
• 1:11:37
  ChatGPT. Do you talk?
• 1:11:39
  To your ChatGPT like how you would talk to to a homie.
• 1:11:42
  Yeah, yeah, I what? No, I don't talk.
• 1:11:46
  Like that DBT, right, right, right, right.
• 1:11:48
  I actively avoid it. Well, for real.
• 1:11:51
  Yeah, I'm also. Like actively against there used
• 1:11:54
  to be there, used to. Be Although now I can't avoid
• 1:11:58
  it. When I Google search, I was
• 1:11:59
  like, I mean, like principally I'm like, I don't want to use AI
• 1:12:03
  at all and I Google something. Oh, that's really convenient,
• 1:12:05
  actually. Yeah, every time you.
• 1:12:07
  Google something. AIAI overview Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:12:09
  yeah. At this point it's unavoidable,
• 1:12:11
  but I. I tried to avoid AI whatever I
• 1:12:16
  can, which is super annoying because they won't fucking stop
• 1:12:20
  like forcing it down our mouths now.
• 1:12:22
  Like I open Google as AI, I open fucking, I open fucking.
• 1:12:25
  I want to write an e-mail, I want to open Google Docs and
• 1:12:28
  work on something like would you like AI to help you?
• 1:12:30
  No go. One day will happen.
• 1:12:32
  Wait. So they ask you that.
• 1:12:33
  Before that, yeah, sometimes they just being like.
• 1:12:36
  Recently I made a slide on a Google Slides and it's kind of
• 1:12:40
  being like I put down my information and put it up and
• 1:12:43
  then kind of like also like insultingly where like they're
• 1:12:47
  like, would you like AI to help you with that?
• 1:12:49
  And I'm being like, bro, I'm doing fine with my own slides.
• 1:12:52
  What do you call my slides? They're saying they would say
• 1:12:54
  like. You slides fucking suck, bro.
• 1:12:56
  Let AI do it for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:58
  Imagine, Imagine having in the future AI stand up comedians,
• 1:13:03
  bro. No, no, that's 1000.
• 1:13:05
  Percent the fear now, like every single job is being like we like
• 1:13:09
  AI is learning how to do every job as well as or maybe even
• 1:13:14
  better than a human. So like I think the fear right
• 1:13:17
  now, and this is like a big thing which I don't think I ever
• 1:13:19
  see in my lifetime, which is that like AI, I don't think it
• 1:13:23
  will form consciousness, but it's like sentient enough to
• 1:13:26
  replicate everything that a human can be.
• 1:13:29
  So so take this for example, right?
• 1:13:32
  Like whenever do you use Waze here the maps?
• 1:13:36
  Sometimes. OK, so so it.
• 1:13:38
  Doesn't matter. So Google ways on Google is ways
• 1:13:41
  on Google Maps, Yeah, they will usually take you through the
• 1:13:44
  route that is least congested from your place to your
• 1:13:47
  destination. But let's say if he's also going
• 1:13:50
  to the same destination from the same place, it doesn't
• 1:13:53
  necessarily mean that both of you will be LED through the same
• 1:13:56
  route because it's not taking you through the route that's
• 1:14:00
  most congested and that's least congested.
• 1:14:02
  It is not congesting the roads by everywhere out.
• 1:14:06
  To make sure that there's an even flow.
• 1:14:08
  So based on that alone, what's free will?
• 1:14:12
  You know what I mean? Like, what do you know what I
• 1:14:13
  mean based on that? Listen, man, let him go.
• 1:14:20
  Let. Me go, let me go let.
• 1:14:22
  Me. Go listen.
• 1:14:23
  Based on that. Alone who makes decisions, you
• 1:14:26
  or the AI? And this is like a small, you
• 1:14:28
  know what? Yeah, yeah, I get, I get.
• 1:14:32
  Well, what? What?
• 1:14:33
  What's to? Say that that like like in, in,
• 1:14:35
  in new in, in, in new advancements, like technology
• 1:14:37
  won't determine your choice of your everyday choices.
• 1:14:40
  You know, I mean, I mean. It's it's like the the algorithm
• 1:14:44
  thing is like choosing what you consume also.
• 1:14:46
  Yeah. Because that's kind of like my
• 1:14:48
  fear. Like I'm unconsciously I'm on
• 1:14:51
  Reels or I'm on TikTok and I'm just scrolling.
• 1:14:52
  Yeah, eventually an hour or so and I'm just, I'm realizing I'm
• 1:14:56
  not using any of. I'm just like, I'm just like
• 1:14:59
  taking it in. I'm just like consuming.
• 1:15:01
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think like this.
• 1:15:03
  This is this is big that I always have in my head.
• 1:15:08
  This is, this is a big thought I always have in my head that the
• 1:15:10
  concept of memorizing and learning something will soon be
• 1:15:13
  obsolete because like, like the the idea of learning is for you
• 1:15:16
  to memorize information because information needed to be
• 1:15:19
  memorized. Yeah.
• 1:15:19
  But now that's not the case. You don't know something.
• 1:15:22
  You just have to wait 2 seconds, Google that shit and you'll
• 1:15:25
  know. Yeah, right.
• 1:15:26
  So then you don't have to store any kind of information in your
• 1:15:28
  head. You don't even need to store
• 1:15:29
  phone numbers anymore. They really sound like a fucking
• 1:15:31
  old head right now. But I really but but but.
• 1:15:34
  But but. But I but, but I mean, for real,
• 1:15:36
  these damn kids, bro. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:38
  These damn kids, you God damn. So it's just.
• 1:15:42
  Fucking screens on your iPad. And iPads, yeah.
• 1:15:46
  So, so that, so, so that. Yeah.
• 1:15:49
  So, so, so with that, right, would then technology advance to
• 1:15:53
  a point where it's not really external anymore, It becomes
• 1:15:56
  something that merges with your biology.
• 1:15:59
  Yeah. So like if if if you had an
• 1:16:01
  implant, you know, where everybody now has access to
• 1:16:04
  information that belongs to an ether.
• 1:16:06
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:16:08
  So everybody now has access to information.
• 1:16:10
  So now both you and I are merely just vessels that that you know
• 1:16:14
  what, Whoever that that just that just I don't know even I
• 1:16:17
  don't even know how we function because like, we don't even have
• 1:16:19
  to not know anything. Everything.
• 1:16:21
  That's true. Yeah.
• 1:16:22
  You know what I mean? Yeah, it's on.
• 1:16:23
  Some like fucking movie hive mind shit.
• 1:16:25
  I'm pretty sure that could be the plot of some movie that I
• 1:16:28
  haven't watched, but yeah, yeah, go ahead.
• 1:16:31
  Yeah, I was, you know, I. Was I was just going to riff?
• 1:16:33
  I was just going to say yeah, aren't you a stand up comic?
• 1:16:39
  Like Roseanne's on cyberpunk shit right now, but man if you
• 1:16:42
  speak. To any stand up comic, this is
• 1:16:44
  what they do in their actual live What do you get All the
• 1:16:46
  material? Nobody comes.
• 1:16:47
  From, that's how you get the. Material.
• 1:16:49
  I think that's. The I think that's the plot.
• 1:16:50
  Of the Matrix if I'm not mistaken.
• 1:16:52
  A stand up comedian. Goes.
• 1:16:54
  Into the no, no, no. I think.
• 1:16:57
  I think he enters. An ether.
• 1:16:59
  That's all I don't know. I haven't watched The Matrix,
• 1:17:01
  but I feel like that's the plot of The Matrix.
• 1:17:03
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah no, yeah, because like I think a
• 1:17:06
  lot of people when. They think of us like some cyber
• 1:17:07
  puncture. They're always like, Oh yeah,
• 1:17:08
  you have like a little Cyborg being like, let me just ask you
• 1:17:11
  right now, if you were out on the street and your phone died,
• 1:17:16
  how lost would you be? Fuck bro, I'm done.
• 1:17:19
  Bro, I am done. You put me a bunch of.
• 1:17:21
  You my. Man merged you put me at block
• 1:17:24
  MI am so willing to sell my asshole bro just to get home.
• 1:17:29
  Bro do anything you want, send power back.
• 1:17:33
  No, please. My phone dies.
• 1:17:35
  I am at the mercy of Jakarta, bro.
• 1:17:37
  I am at the bro. Just bro.
• 1:17:40
  I can't even begin to imagine. That's like real panic.
• 1:17:44
  Yeah, real panic. I've lived here for like 10
• 1:17:45
  years and I'm. Even I'm like fuck yeah.
• 1:17:47
  Oh God, it's actually that recently.
• 1:17:49
  Happened to me because my phone just got absolutely fucked out
• 1:17:52
  of nowhere. Yeah, like the battery got super
• 1:17:54
  bloated and then I'm like fuck, I can't use.
• 1:17:57
  Google Maps, man. And I need to go to get this
• 1:17:59
  shit fixed but. Like but thankfully.
• 1:18:03
  I'm pretty bad at directions even though if I lived in the
• 1:18:06
  city for like a really long time I still rely on maps.
• 1:18:10
  It's not, it's mostly amazing but like thankfully the shop
• 1:18:13
  that I go to is like a shop I frequent so as long as it's
• 1:18:16
  something I somewhere I've gone to at least 2-3 times and I
• 1:18:20
  don't stray away from anywhere else in that route, I'm good.
• 1:18:24
  Bro the only place that I'm not. Afraid of my phone dialing is
• 1:18:26
  Singapore because eventually Big Brother will lead you home.
• 1:18:28
  Big Brother. Big Brother.
• 1:18:30
  Will leave you home. Bro, like there's no way that
• 1:18:32
  you'd be really, really lost, you know, because everybody
• 1:18:34
  would just push you through where you're supposed to go.
• 1:18:37
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just, yeah, that's not, but
• 1:18:40
  it's very easy, you know, and also I lived there for long.
• 1:18:43
  But also it's, it's it's yeah, like you said.
• 1:18:45
  But over there, there's a lot more things that you can hold on
• 1:18:48
  to if you if your phone dies, but if you're over here, you're
• 1:18:50
  fucked. Imagine if you're in some like
• 1:18:52
  you ever go for like long drives here where you like you ever
• 1:18:55
  take a long drive to bundle or long drive, you know, like a
• 1:18:59
  rural part of Indonesia just to go see like some big mountain or
• 1:19:04
  something where you guys like ride a Ford big mountain.
• 1:19:07
  Like, like what we do at that past time, just go see a big
• 1:19:09
  mountain. Yeah.
• 1:19:11
  Do you? I mean, it is.
• 1:19:14
  Listen, a big mountain in Singapore is a big.
• 1:19:16
  It's a wow. It's a big.
• 1:19:19
  Fucking. Deal bro.
• 1:19:20
  Like you know what I mean? Like we don't see mountains a
• 1:19:23
  lot. We have, we have a hill that we
• 1:19:24
  call a mountain. It's called Mount Favour.
• 1:19:28
  It's called Mount Favour, but it's not really a mount.
• 1:19:34
  It's just it's Singaporean. Tour guide to be like.
• 1:19:37
  Behold our biggest mountain bro. It's it's elevated.
• 1:19:42
  Land. OK, yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:45
  But you know, you know what I mean?
• 1:19:46
  Like like like you, you ever take those drives and they're
• 1:19:48
  like halfway through, then like your battery dies and now you're
• 1:19:50
  in the middle of butt fuck nowhere?
• 1:19:54
  I hate me bro so something something.
• 1:19:57
  Similar actually did happen to me it had happened I'll never
• 1:20:00
  forget it happened in 2023 and I was sightseeing in KL actually
• 1:20:05
  and then my phone died KL in KL and so one like because also
• 1:20:12
  like here there are a lot of. Like ATM machines or like ATM
• 1:20:16
  here. And what I found out when I was
• 1:20:17
  in KL was like, there's a lot less ATMs here than there are
• 1:20:20
  Indonesia because Indonesia you like, you walk 50 meters, you
• 1:20:23
  find some sort of ATM apparently they're like, yeah, there's only
• 1:20:26
  in like specific places. And it's also very, very
• 1:20:28
  cashless there as well, right, right.
• 1:20:30
  And there's also like, yeah, you got you, you need public
• 1:20:33
  transport. But like a lot of people also go
• 1:20:34
  around, they get around with like grab over there, right?
• 1:20:37
  And so there I was in like, I think they're going like Tianhu
• 1:20:42
  Temple. And then like, my phone died.
• 1:20:44
  I'm being like I'm stuck on a hill, literally.
• 1:20:48
  Stuck on a. Mountain where I'm from.
• 1:20:49
  You know what? I mean it's.
• 1:20:51
  Like fucking Everest. Where he's from, fucking
• 1:20:53
  mountain. Where I'm from bro was it?
• 1:20:55
  That's K2 I need to. Look up if that's the correct
• 1:20:58
  temple that I got there. Wait, Batu caves?
• 1:21:01
  You were stuck at Batu Caves? No, no, I think it was like.
• 1:21:04
  Yeah, that temple. Hill batu caves.
• 1:21:06
  There's no other hill temple in in KL, bro.
• 1:21:09
  Yeah, but the was that a big statue?
• 1:21:12
  No, there was no big statue but it.
• 1:21:13
  Was like, I think it was I, I I think it was called like Tianhu
• 1:21:18
  or something like that. It's it's like it's like a the
• 1:21:20
  Chinese temple. Yeah, it's.
• 1:21:22
  Like a Chinese temple, I I. I may be getting the wrong the
• 1:21:25
  name wrong. Come on.
• 1:21:27
  I'm not getting. No.
• 1:21:28
  Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is.
• 1:21:29
  Tanhu Temple. Oh yeah, it's, it's the one.
• 1:21:32
  And so I was like, I have no way to get a grab.
• 1:21:36
  I have no, I have no cash with me.
• 1:21:38
  I do, I, I, I do have like a touch and go card.
• 1:21:40
  So I'm being like, I have a touch and go card and I'd be
• 1:21:44
  like, I, I, I, I walked around the temple looking for a powder
• 1:21:46
  outlet. I couldn't find a power outlet.
• 1:21:48
  I had a OK, cool, I have a touch and go here.
• 1:21:52
  So I will walk for 45 minutes, my man.
• 1:21:55
  From from. Temple all the way to like
• 1:21:59
  fucking Bangsar LRT station. It's the sweltering.
• 1:22:03
  In the fucking sweltering hill. Oh my God.
• 1:22:07
  And I just. Walk, I walk.
• 1:22:09
  At some point I walk through like.
• 1:22:10
  I walk through like I walk from like from like a wealthy
• 1:22:14
  neighborhood to like some like terrace houses down to like some
• 1:22:17
  like, you know, like like like apartment blocks.
• 1:22:19
  I I walked over like like like a dual carriageway at some point,
• 1:22:24
  some big like highway until I find like 45 minutes later I
• 1:22:29
  arrived like you you, you, you pass by the entire.
• 1:22:32
  Income disparity. You.
• 1:22:35
  Traverse. It was a vertical.
• 1:22:38
  Slice of kale like. Wow, this is the shit.
• 1:22:40
  And I'm being like, damn this. Shit would never have happened,
• 1:22:43
  but my battery did not die. That's that's I would.
• 1:22:46
  Have just. Taken a grab.
• 1:22:47
  To the nearest LRT station, 25 minutes.
• 1:22:50
  In the heat of Kuala Lumpur. Oh yeah, sweating.
• 1:22:54
  Wild. Bro are we talking?
• 1:22:56
  About getting lost, right? So I know that you're trying to
• 1:23:02
  branch out. This is a crazy ass segue, by
• 1:23:03
  the way. Yeah, yeah, crazy ass segue.
• 1:23:06
  Speaking of walking. Speaking of.
• 1:23:09
  And income disparities. Speaking of income.
• 1:23:12
  Disparity, Patrick. You're a comedian.
• 1:23:15
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:23:15
  Anyway, Yeah. We, we, I want to keep.
• 1:23:19
  I want to get on track because I had a list of questions.
• 1:23:21
  I sent it to Guy and we haven't touched none of them.
• 1:23:25
  Sorry man, you know it's. OK, I got.
• 1:23:27
  Excited, you know, And I, I. Know what you guys are about And
• 1:23:29
  I was like, I got to ask these guys all this.
• 1:23:32
  I'm done with my Indonesia questions after that I'm done.
• 1:23:33
  I already touched on Indonesia, everything, you know, me, Hotel
• 1:23:36
  Que Bali, everything is done, everything about India,
• 1:23:38
  everything. Everything.
• 1:23:39
  No everything. That I have wanted to ask.
• 1:23:41
  I've already ask so now you guys can ask my.
• 1:23:45
  God, take it away, man. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:23:47
  I. Had a list of questions because
• 1:23:49
  Kai your manager is like what are the questions I have to make
• 1:23:54
  questions. But anyway, dude.
• 1:23:57
  Yeah, me and Dan, we both, you know, in preparation for this,
• 1:24:01
  we watched your specials, right? Right.
• 1:24:03
  I watched. So how?
• 1:24:05
  Unbanned on Netflix. Oh dude, I wish you could.
• 1:24:07
  Bury that 6 feet underneath. I wish you could bury almost
• 1:24:10
  bend 6 feet underneath. I swear to go.
• 1:24:12
  I was so young back then, right? You know how sometimes when you
• 1:24:15
  when you look, when you look at yourself like 10 years ago or
• 1:24:20
  then you're like, oh man, but like, but like that, Yeah.
• 1:24:24
  So that I got like, what did you saw the other one, the two reel
• 1:24:28
  I watched. So how?
• 1:24:29
  So Too Reel on Netflix. I think I must have watched Too
• 1:24:32
  Reel rather than unbanned. I don't worry, I didn't.
• 1:24:35
  Touch that one. I don't.
• 1:24:36
  Always almost ban I. Hate that shit but.
• 1:24:39
  Basically I wanna watch it because.
• 1:24:41
  I've. Only seen so how?
• 1:24:42
  Oh my God. OK, so.
• 1:24:44
  Yes, yeah, yeah. You've been like going around
• 1:24:48
  this past year, right? You've been doing tours, you've
• 1:24:50
  been doing shows, Yes, in Japan. You've been doing shows in the
• 1:24:53
  States, in New York, Right. And later this year, you're
• 1:24:57
  doing Melbourne like a whole month.
• 1:24:59
  Yes, yes. So like, oh, I'm watching your
• 1:25:02
  show, which is, by the way, this is not glazing.
• 1:25:04
  Like, it's like you're really hilarious.
• 1:25:07
  Yeah, probably. But I think so.
• 1:25:08
  How I really like. So how?
• 1:25:10
  Yeah, that's my recent work. Thanks, man.
• 1:25:11
  Thanks. Yeah, it's like a hilarious.
• 1:25:13
  Like one of the bits that I remember is like when you
• 1:25:16
  talking about your, you talk to your nephew about how to
• 1:25:20
  confront his bully. He's like.
• 1:25:23
  I'm ugly. Your mother ugly.
• 1:25:25
  Dragging your shit up bro, but. A lot of a lot of the.
• 1:25:29
  Humor hits, hits really hard for, you know, Singaporeans,
• 1:25:35
  Malaysians, Indonesians even, because that's a very kind of
• 1:25:38
  like Southeast Asian experience experience, right.
• 1:25:41
  But you're trying to expand like an international audience.
• 1:25:44
  So do you find yourself having to kind of like adapt your
• 1:25:47
  material to suit Western audiences And like, how would
• 1:25:50
  you even begin to do that? You know?
• 1:25:53
  Yeah, most definitely it's. It's, it's something that I'm,
• 1:25:55
  I've been trying to expand on and it's been something that
• 1:25:59
  I've been trying to work on this year.
• 1:26:01
  Actually, it has it most of my, I mean, a lot of bulk of my
• 1:26:05
  material has been always been centered around race, cultural
• 1:26:10
  differences, and sometimes maybe lightly political differences
• 1:26:13
  between countries. And it's very Southeast Asian
• 1:26:17
  centric. But when when, when I go to
• 1:26:21
  Western countries that have zero contacts now, not only do I have
• 1:26:24
  to draw contacts, but also I have to find things that not
• 1:26:27
  just make us different, not I have the things that find things
• 1:26:30
  that make us similar and also find interesting things within
• 1:26:32
  the culture to introduce to them as a concept that's unique to us
• 1:26:36
  that they can learn from. So I think those two things are
• 1:26:40
  points where I feel like that there's that challenge of trying
• 1:26:45
  to translate that across. Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  And I do that. But like there are things that
• 1:26:50
  are very universal, like relationships.
• 1:26:53
  They're very universal. You know what I mean?
• 1:26:57
  This the, the exchange between you and your parents, you know,
• 1:27:02
  yeah, there's a very, there's a, or dealing with a sick father.
• 1:27:05
  I talk about that in, in, in my upcoming special.
• 1:27:08
  So, so those things can, can link with an international
• 1:27:12
  audience. Because when I'm in Australia, I
• 1:27:15
  most of the time I, I don't know about this year, but most of the
• 1:27:17
  years I'll do a tour for my own show.
• 1:27:19
  And then for a month I'll I'll be given the opportunity to do
• 1:27:22
  Rd. shows where we travel to rural parts or maybe just small
• 1:27:26
  towns in Australia to introduce us, to introduce the Melbourne
• 1:27:30
  festival to them so that they will in hopes that they will
• 1:27:32
  come to Melbourne when the festival is happening.
• 1:27:35
  So a lot of the times those crowds do have no idea of the
• 1:27:39
  context of Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, that you have to kind
• 1:27:42
  of introduce that to them. And yeah, definitely the, the,
• 1:27:46
  the, the ability to adapt to that and kind of find a link is
• 1:27:52
  definitely what makes a comedian better.
• 1:27:54
  And I find, and that's the reason why I'm always branching
• 1:27:56
  out and, and, and right now, even in Indonesia, I'm here a
• 1:28:00
  lot and I'm based out in KL and, and, and still working out of
• 1:28:03
  Singapore is to just have that you kind of have to get out of
• 1:28:07
  Singapore to kind of, yeah, it's just a nice way of saying that
• 1:28:10
  you need to be in touch with culture.
• 1:28:11
  And you can't do that when you're.
• 1:28:15
  The uncultured Singaporean, you know, you just.
• 1:28:20
  You got to get in touch with the grid.
• 1:28:21
  So yeah, so, so so that's that's that's that's that's the
• 1:28:25
  experience. So right there last so and it
• 1:28:27
  it's I wouldn't say it's the easiest, but I every year I find
• 1:28:32
  a way to get over a barrier. Yeah.
• 1:28:34
  So in hopes that it all stacks up in like 5 years time where
• 1:28:38
  yeah, I'm a totally different comedian.
• 1:28:40
  So that's, yeah, that's how Have you ever had?
• 1:28:44
  Do you have material that like when you're still confused about
• 1:28:48
  like, oh, I don't know what works with this crowd, with this
• 1:28:49
  culture, What do you have to like material that's like, oh,
• 1:28:52
  works every time or is that really different every like a
• 1:28:54
  bulletproof set? Yeah, like a bulletproof set.
• 1:28:58
  I think I, I, I have generally a couple of jokes that like, I
• 1:29:02
  know that like this, these 5 minutes, if I do it, I won't
• 1:29:06
  die. You know what I mean?
• 1:29:07
  I'll get, I'll get like a I'll get a good enough reaction for
• 1:29:11
  me to be like, all right, that was a possible set and that was
• 1:29:13
  a good set. But again, there's an excitement
• 1:29:16
  of like, I know when I'm performing to my people that I
• 1:29:18
  know exactly what they want to hear and I know exactly what I
• 1:29:21
  can say. That's the excitement of that as
• 1:29:23
  well. Yeah.
• 1:29:24
  So I think it it, it varies with comedy.
• 1:29:28
  Sometimes the same jokes that you tell today in this club or
• 1:29:32
  to or the same night in that club, same delivery, same night,
• 1:29:35
  just different audience, totally different reaction.
• 1:29:38
  You know, it's just, it's just how it is with comedy.
• 1:29:40
  Sometimes it's kind of like, it's not really a vibe.
• 1:29:43
  It's kind of like you're catching like a a moment from
• 1:29:46
  the air. And if the moment is right when
• 1:29:48
  you're telling that joke, then you'll get that big laugh.
• 1:29:50
  But sometimes the moment is not the same as it's not similarly
• 1:29:53
  as captured as the night before. Yeah.
• 1:29:55
  So then you have that, you, you, you have that also.
• 1:29:57
  There's a lot of like factors at play.
• 1:29:59
  But like, yeah, to answer your question, I have one that will
• 1:30:03
  work most of the time. But like you know, it has died.
• 1:30:07
  Like it's not bulletproof. No, no, no.
• 1:30:08
  No, I don't. I don't.
• 1:30:09
  Think I I won't go as far. I got a bulletproof yeah, 5
• 1:30:13
  minutes because even those people that say that they have a
• 1:30:15
  bulletproof 5 minutes but like to who you know, yeah, yeah,
• 1:30:18
  yeah. If you have a bulletproof 5
• 1:30:20
  minutes and it's all like misogyny stuff, you know, maybe
• 1:30:22
  you kill in certain parts of the world, you know, but you know,
• 1:30:26
  you're like, you're like reading across all.
• 1:30:27
  Right. These are a bunch of misogynism.
• 1:30:29
  I got just a set for you, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:32
  But but you know. Yeah, but then, but sometimes
• 1:30:34
  even you woke stuff too, like like some parts of the world, it
• 1:30:37
  don't work. It don't work.
• 1:30:38
  So it was the IT was, it was such a subjective art form.
• 1:30:41
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like super.
• 1:30:44
  Like as someone who worked in production, TV production, I
• 1:30:48
  always feel like comedy is the hardest, like genre, I guess, to
• 1:30:53
  do. Yeah, because it has has so much
• 1:30:55
  to do with not just the material that you have.
• 1:30:57
  It's also like timing and delivery and a lot of that
• 1:31:01
  stuff. It's different if you're trying
• 1:31:02
  to make something sad or dramatic.
• 1:31:04
  Basa stand up is. Huge man here, like do you guys
• 1:31:07
  ever get into that Basa stand up here Basa Indonesia like we in
• 1:31:13
  Indonesian. Yeah, rarely.
• 1:31:16
  I think that. I don't think we're the.
• 1:31:17
  Crowd for that. Oh.
• 1:31:19
  Wow, wow. Wow.
• 1:31:21
  OK, OK, OK. I I think I've seen.
• 1:31:24
  Some stuff out there on the topics.
• 1:31:26
  Yeah, that's that's pretty funny.
• 1:31:28
  But like if? If you ask me off the top of my
• 1:31:30
  Oh yeah. Do you know any household names?
• 1:31:31
  Like I wouldn't know. I, I, I mostly see them in like
• 1:31:33
  form of like Instagram, real short, right, right, right.
• 1:31:36
  So like. They're not like.
• 1:31:38
  Famous, but I think the. Reason why that's kind of.
• 1:31:43
  Hard for me is just like generally, you know, before
• 1:31:46
  social media when it's just on TV, most of our comedy was very,
• 1:31:49
  very like slapstick, you see. So I guess that growing up just
• 1:31:52
  kind of like leaned away from that.
• 1:31:53
  It was kind of like, you know, slapstick or either that or like
• 1:31:57
  very, very like super over dramatic cuz you know, there's
• 1:32:04
  like, yeah, yeah, the lore. Here is that like a lot of.
• 1:32:08
  Our like media industry is run by like Indian immigrants or
• 1:32:13
  like or like second or third wave.
• 1:32:16
  Imagine that. Yeah.
• 1:32:17
  Like wait wait, wait wait you. You telling me like a whole race
• 1:32:21
  runs media industry? I've never heard.
• 1:32:24
  I've never heard of such a concept.
• 1:32:27
  That's actually. This is the clip that's gonna
• 1:32:30
  pop off. The industry was promised to
• 1:32:32
  them, Bro was promised to them 6. 1000 years ago.
• 1:32:40
  He's disassociating from this podcast.
• 1:32:42
  Right now no, but like. So a lot of like.
• 1:32:44
  Our, our, our like our we here we call them CNA Traums are our
• 1:32:48
  soap operas, Stella novellas. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:50
  Our. Telling our very.
• 1:32:51
  Like the novella flavored, but also, you know, with like, you
• 1:32:53
  know, like the editing, the the, the, the slow motion zooming
• 1:32:56
  effect on the dramatic moment that happens a lot.
• 1:32:59
  But then also a lot of like, the comedy style is also, you know,
• 1:33:03
  where there's like, this very slapstick comedy where there's
• 1:33:06
  literal, like, not even a laugh track.
• 1:33:08
  They're just sort of like, you know, like the clown noises in
• 1:33:10
  the background. Exactly.
• 1:33:13
  Yeah. Oh, the Senatron style is.
• 1:33:15
  Also is also somewhat very Mexican, like it's very.
• 1:33:19
  Yeah, right, right. Isn't it very Latin also?
• 1:33:20
  No. Yeah, it's a little bit.
• 1:33:21
  Right, right, right. It's the flat lighting.
• 1:33:24
  Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's almost.
• 1:33:26
  It's almost like it's rooted in the same kind of like taste, you
• 1:33:29
  know? You know what I mean?
• 1:33:30
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:33:31
  Because like, if you look at Filipinos, they're just like
• 1:33:33
  Malays. They got colonized by the
• 1:33:35
  Spanish, you know. That's why we have the same
• 1:33:38
  sentiment like we. We'd say, like, Filipinos are
• 1:33:41
  just like, like Catholic Indonesians.
• 1:33:43
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:46
  We call them Catholic. Malaise, it's, you know, it's
• 1:33:48
  just like what malaise would be. They were Catholic, very excited
• 1:33:51
  about Christmas, incredibly excited about Christmas, right.
• 1:33:55
  And just as enthusiastic because I think essentially at the root
• 1:34:00
  of it, we're we're we're we're kind of a a race of people that
• 1:34:03
  love spirituality. I think that we're really
• 1:34:06
  inclined to it, you know, really like that.
• 1:34:08
  In fact, I don't even think we agree with capitalism.
• 1:34:10
  You know, we're just vibing with it.
• 1:34:11
  Yeah. I mean, it's what we do vibing.
• 1:34:13
  With. It.
• 1:34:15
  I guess this is. It I always say, I always say
• 1:34:17
  this. I'm like whenever I whenever I'm
• 1:34:20
  especially in Malaysia, whenever, whenever I'm having to
• 1:34:23
  do an administrative thing and I see that the person that's
• 1:34:26
  handling the administration is a Malay person.
• 1:34:28
  And I always go fuck. And, and it's not because I
• 1:34:31
  think I'm going to have a hard time.
• 1:34:32
  It's because like, if it's a Chinese person, I know how
• 1:34:35
  determined they would be to finish the job.
• 1:34:38
  If it's a Malay person, I'm sure you do the job well as well.
• 1:34:41
  But both of you and I have the understanding at the back of our
• 1:34:44
  heads, we go, we don't really got to do this.
• 1:34:47
  We have to understand them. Like everything is just make
• 1:34:50
  believe. None of this is real.
• 1:34:56
  The money's just paper, bro. Yeah, it's like, doesn't matter.
• 1:34:58
  Yeah, it doesn't matter. Everything is really I'm a see.
• 1:35:01
  You in heaven? It's a see me in heaven.
• 1:35:02
  Yeah. It's like my feeling though.
• 1:35:03
  All vibes. Yeah, all vibes, all vibes.
• 1:35:06
  My Felinder was all. Vibes.
• 1:35:07
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's kind of that, yeah.
• 1:35:09
  So that's why it survives. To this day in our.
• 1:35:14
  Hearts it does in our hearts. It does.
• 1:35:16
  I went to Japan and I saw this. And this Filipino comic came up
• 1:35:21
  to me. And then.
• 1:35:22
  And then the first thing is, oh, my God, you're Malaysia.
• 1:35:24
  Yeah. You remember Mafilindo?
• 1:35:26
  You. Remember, we need to do guys if
• 1:35:31
  you. Ever want to put it together
• 1:35:33
  like a Malaysian? Like like a Malaysian guest and
• 1:35:35
  me and then this Filipino guest and we have a Mafilindo episode.
• 1:35:39
  Oh dude, that is so funny. Any Filipinos?
• 1:35:43
  Flash. Also Malaysians.
• 1:35:44
  Yeah, Why? You know what I mean?
• 1:35:45
  Yeah. No, I, we'll, we'll, we'll sort
• 1:35:47
  out the Malaysian part also that the Malaysian part.
• 1:35:50
  Just we need to get a Filipino. And if we can, and if we do it,
• 1:35:53
  we do a Mafilindo, Mafilindo app.
• 1:35:55
  You know what? I can get comics in.
• 1:35:57
  We'll revive Mafilindo. App, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:00
  Please DM us bro the. House is big.
• 1:36:01
  Enough. OK, so let's.
• 1:36:04
  We're not in. Singapore, definitely.
• 1:36:07
  The house is big enough. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:08
  Yeah, if you're if you're Pinoy. And a comic and interested.
• 1:36:11
  DM us and you too could be in this chair, the special chair,
• 1:36:16
  the hot seat. Yeah, yeah, the throne as they.
• 1:36:18
  Call it yeah, the throne. Yeah, I what's something?
• 1:36:22
  You recommend? Like, you know, you've been like
• 1:36:23
  lazing Malaysian food all all this while, you know what I
• 1:36:27
  mean? And and and and I understand and
• 1:36:29
  I understand why you say that. But.
• 1:36:30
  And I who's here like, I, I want to know like where to eat
• 1:36:35
  because like, listen, at some point I'm gonna be sick of
• 1:36:38
  buggy. Sorry.
• 1:36:38
  OK, I've been you've been spamming.
• 1:36:40
  Buggy. Sorry I've been spamming Buggy.
• 1:36:42
  Sorry, I've been. Spamming by I've.
• 1:36:43
  Been using everybody. The buggy.
• 1:36:44
  Sorry. You know, all my all my friends
• 1:36:46
  are coming in with, oh, my God, Pakistani is the best thing
• 1:36:48
  ever. And all the Indonesians, like, I
• 1:36:50
  know, I know. I know that they're
• 1:36:52
  accommodating. And they go like, all right,
• 1:36:53
  I'll take you to buggy sore. Yeah, but like, they're also
• 1:36:56
  waiting for me to, like, get sick of it.
• 1:36:57
  You know, they're like, all right, can you quickly get sick
• 1:37:00
  of it so that your taste buds have adapted enough for me to
• 1:37:03
  take you to this other place? Yeah.
• 1:37:05
  You know what I mean? Yeah, so like.
• 1:37:06
  Where would you say is the progression from buggy sore to
• 1:37:09
  what that's really difficult? Question because there's so many
• 1:37:13
  different water tank, is it like like?
• 1:37:16
  Yeah, but like this is like. When you start like an RPG.
• 1:37:18
  And there's like all these branching pass, bro, Like what
• 1:37:20
  do you want to unlock? You know, it was like.
• 1:37:22
  Because it's like, do you want like more Padang or do you want
• 1:37:27
  like a different variation? Do you want like Monado?
• 1:37:30
  There's. Monado food is big.
• 1:37:32
  Yeah, there's so many options. Wow.
• 1:37:35
  I I. Would always.
• 1:37:36
  Say like if you go to like my favorite place to take people
• 1:37:41
  who are first time in Jakarta, just go to Jalan Sabam, which is
• 1:37:45
  near. Yeah, near.
• 1:37:48
  Yeah. So it's near.
• 1:37:50
  If you take the MRT to Bundaran Hai, that's where central.
• 1:37:53
  Yeah, it's pretty. Central and.
• 1:37:54
  Then from there you go to a little bit up north.
• 1:37:58
  It's it's between where is and where Monas is.
• 1:38:01
  It's like in between that there's a lot of like and Jalan
• 1:38:03
  Sabang has like a bunch of like street food.
• 1:38:05
  Yeah, it's like Masigorang Sabang, right?
• 1:38:07
  Yeah, but the one. I always take people to is like,
• 1:38:11
  I don't know if you know, like sari now, which is like a pretty
• 1:38:13
  big like department store where they saw a lot.
• 1:38:16
  It's a lot of like local made products.
• 1:38:18
  You know, they want to get a a buttock dessert that and then
• 1:38:20
  across the street from there there's like a satay place and
• 1:38:23
  that's excellent. They have like, which is like
• 1:38:25
  mutton satay. They also do like, you know,
• 1:38:27
  beef satay. And they have like the, the,
• 1:38:29
  the, the soup. And then I always take people
• 1:38:31
  there. They all just love it.
• 1:38:32
  Oh, yeah. I need to get a Batty.
• 1:38:34
  Shirt you, I reminded me. We need to, we need to get a
• 1:38:36
  Batty shirt and like a red one, like a Batty shirt.
• 1:38:38
  Yeah. And I guess yeah, I can.
• 1:38:40
  Just like I. Can like, what's up with the
• 1:38:41
  details? Yeah, it's great because you can
• 1:38:43
  get the shirt and then you cross the street and then you have the
• 1:38:45
  satay. Incredible.
• 1:38:46
  And it's just like literally on the side of the of the road.
• 1:38:48
  They have like, yeah. And it's great.
• 1:38:51
  Wait, so satay is yours too? It's always been our.
• 1:38:55
  It's always been Yeah, someone just stole it.
• 1:38:58
  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We sat there, the one that we
• 1:39:02
  have in Malaysia, that's yours too.
• 1:39:06
  Crazy. I don't know some What do you
• 1:39:09
  want to claim next? You don't want to claim.
• 1:39:11
  Someone's claiming my problem was like.
• 1:39:13
  Sat there right like I'm pretty sure every culture in the world
• 1:39:16
  at some point in history have always no.
• 1:39:19
  Because when you OK, imagine caveman.
• 1:39:21
  Yeah. And you want to eat, right?
• 1:39:23
  It must have. Been like, I want to cook meat,
• 1:39:27
  yeah. Where do I put the?
• 1:39:28
  Meat What if? What if meat stick?
• 1:39:33
  Every culture you go. You like in China there?
• 1:39:38
  Must be like meat. Skewers, right?
• 1:39:40
  Yeah, like you go to like, yeah, you go to Turkey, you got
• 1:39:42
  kebabs, right? You go to.
• 1:39:43
  I mean, that's a whole other like.
• 1:39:45
  Like fight with Greeks with the kebabs, you know?
• 1:39:47
  Yeah, exactly. So I think if if.
• 1:39:49
  People want to clean the like, no, I invented meat on us.
• 1:39:52
  I'm like, go home. Yeah, except.
• 1:39:56
  We did though what? Except we did that.
• 1:39:57
  Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
• 1:39:59
  Sure. Yeah, no beef to.
• 1:40:01
  Malaysia. I don't.
• 1:40:02
  Want no more beef with Malaysia? We love him later.
• 1:40:04
  Can you come at from him? Yeah, he said he.
• 1:40:07
  We said. They they invented satay.
• 1:40:08
  But who's gonna who's. Yeah, they won't.
• 1:40:10
  They won't, they won't. They won't come at you there.
• 1:40:12
  Yeah. So satay.
• 1:40:13
  Yeah. So you have the satay over
• 1:40:14
  there. OK.
• 1:40:15
  And that road is also. They also have.
• 1:40:16
  Like, you know, seafood there like a lot of lots of street
• 1:40:18
  food that you can bro, I'm telling you man, you're.
• 1:40:20
  Indians that speak Indonesia, that's a trip to me.
• 1:40:22
  Any Indians that speak like a Southeast Asian language other
• 1:40:25
  than their native language, It's such a really, it's such a trip.
• 1:40:29
  To me, I went to. Like a comedy club and I saw
• 1:40:31
  like an Indian person speak Bahasa and and he sounded
• 1:40:35
  exactly like an Indonesian and I was like, wow dude, I've never
• 1:40:38
  any Indians like Filipino Indians.
• 1:40:40
  That's. Like wow, I've never.
• 1:40:44
  How? That's amazing.
• 1:40:45
  Yeah, Filipino. Indian.
• 1:40:46
  Yeah, if you're a Filipino, Indian, wow, shout out in the
• 1:40:50
  comments. You're such a global podcast
• 1:40:52
  when you think. About it, yeah, we got the.
• 1:40:54
  Nigerians. On here, yeah, I'm just
• 1:40:57
  imagining in Nigeria, they're not actually here.
• 1:41:00
  No. Nigerians are watching this
• 1:41:02
  podcast. No, no, no, no.
• 1:41:03
  I hope you. Guys, do I hope you guys do
• 1:41:05
  well, man, I hope, I hope this continue.
• 1:41:07
  I know you know what, You know what, I hope this continues to
• 1:41:09
  be whatever this is because this seems fun.
• 1:41:12
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just just a bunch of.
• 1:41:14
  People shooting the shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:15
  But but like if you do. Get money also.
• 1:41:17
  I I hope it it doesn't change. You know, I don't want to like
• 1:41:20
  come back and like sell out. I don't want to come back.
• 1:41:22
  In a year where you guys? Go like I'm Aceo now.
• 1:41:26
  Yeah, yeah. You got like banners and
• 1:41:29
  sponsorships. And shit, that's cool.
• 1:41:30
  I don't know. But this is your only
• 1:41:32
  sponsorship? Yeah, just a guy.
• 1:41:35
  What's pepper N? It's like income tax.
• 1:41:38
  Yeah. So this is like a political
• 1:41:44
  thing. It was basically, yeah.
• 1:41:45
  He. Just wears the the most yeah
• 1:41:48
  ever. So it just just happens to me
• 1:41:50
  bad unk. Energy.
• 1:41:51
  Look at how massive his watch is.
• 1:41:53
  That's like a watch you would see on like an uncle, like
• 1:41:56
  drives a truck and whatever. Be like damn, I was on that face
• 1:41:59
  for a bit. And I just couldn't have.
• 1:42:01
  I just couldn't have. I had like a big watch and I was
• 1:42:04
  like, Nah, Nah, Nah. I'm definitely on my unk energy
• 1:42:07
  shit. Yeah.
• 1:42:08
  Anyway, I wanna go. Back to like the comedy shit.
• 1:42:12
  OK, Yeah. We keep I made it.
• 1:42:16
  I made it sound like the back. No, no, it's.
• 1:42:19
  Back, get back in the box. Because like, because like the
• 1:42:22
  coffee. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:25
  Is that like this one? This one we've already?
• 1:42:28
  Like, censored all the logos. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:32
  No, OK, yeah. Yeah, no free.
• 1:42:34
  No free sponsorships. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:36
  Yeah, if you do cool, cool, hit us up.
• 1:42:38
  Yeah. Anyway, yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:39
  Because because recently, and of course you know this bungies
• 1:42:44
  like Mens Rea has been huge. What are we going to talk about
• 1:42:47
  it? And it has been.
• 1:42:50
  Massive and I feel like a lot of like Indonesians, this coping
• 1:42:53
  mechanism with how shitty the government and everything in
• 1:42:57
  their lives is right now. It's through comedy like it's
• 1:43:00
  the it's just like we can't we feel so helpless.
• 1:43:04
  We can't do anything, but like, at least we can laugh through it
• 1:43:06
  together. And I feel like that's kind of
• 1:43:09
  like the role that comedy has taken in the recent years and
• 1:43:14
  touching, using comedy as a vehicle for like critiquing
• 1:43:18
  governments and unfair policies and shit like that.
• 1:43:20
  How do you approach that kind of like tiptoeing through not
• 1:43:26
  giving yourself unnecessary heat, but also staying relevant
• 1:43:29
  with the stuff that's happening in everyday lives?
• 1:43:32
  I think every. I think heat is necessary, you
• 1:43:36
  know, like if whatever you say strikes a nerve, I think it's
• 1:43:42
  it's inevitable for you to get some heat in return.
• 1:43:45
  So like I think with Bungie's Mencier, he he definitely was
• 1:43:48
  very bold to touch on a lot of things that will bring heat.
• 1:43:52
  So that's, that's definitely 1 something that's like very
• 1:43:56
  admirable on our ends as comics, because the art at the end of
• 1:43:59
  the day is rebellion, you know, And I think for him, like he
• 1:44:03
  stood by the art and that's what makes him such a big comic.
• 1:44:08
  For myself, I don't necessarily feel like I am as politically
• 1:44:14
  knowledgeable as he would be for his country.
• 1:44:18
  Like I know a very surface level of things politically in
• 1:44:23
  Singapore. And maybe I can explain some
• 1:44:24
  things. And even the things that I
• 1:44:26
  explain also probably don't have 100% accuracy, right?
• 1:44:29
  Because I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I read as much as I can
• 1:44:32
  understand. So I don't really go into, into
• 1:44:36
  politics that much unless it's like a huge topic that I have
• 1:44:40
  full knowledge about. With that being said, maybe my
• 1:44:45
  approach usually is on the cultural aspect of things, on
• 1:44:48
  how the difference between the, the, the life experience of like
• 1:44:53
  a, a Malay person in Singapore or how people view life through
• 1:44:56
  Malay. So that's what I know the most,
• 1:44:59
  exactly. Gotten into a lot of trouble for
• 1:45:01
  that. Yeah, sure.
• 1:45:02
  Yeah. But.
• 1:45:03
  I haven't really exactly. But like, but like, but I, I got
• 1:45:07
  into trouble once in Malaysia when I was 2016, right?
• 1:45:10
  Yeah, 2016, yeah, yeah, 2016. Where?
• 1:45:12
  When I when I spoke about the one MDB thing.
• 1:45:16
  And. Even that it wasn't from great
• 1:45:19
  knowledge of knowing what happened, it was just based on
• 1:45:21
  what was happening on the news. General stuff, Yeah.
• 1:45:24
  In. General stuff that was
• 1:45:25
  happening. On the news, I was like, OK,
• 1:45:27
  this would be nice to just kind of like poke fun, not knowing
• 1:45:30
  the sensitivity of what it was at the time.
• 1:45:32
  Yeah, I don't regret making the joke because that was what that
• 1:45:35
  kid knew at that time. But yeah, when when I got into
• 1:45:39
  trouble at that point, it was definitely a taste of what could
• 1:45:42
  be. Yeah.
• 1:45:42
  At a smaller level compared to I guess what spongy he's got that
• 1:45:46
  whole mobs against. I didn't have any of that.
• 1:45:49
  I like a small little protest, but like, yeah.
• 1:45:53
  Yeah, yeah, there was like A5. People holding print, holding
• 1:45:57
  printouts of me and I was like, that's so sweet bro.
• 1:45:59
  I like watching it. Like man, I wish.
• 1:46:01
  It was bigger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:04
  It was it was it. Was actually quite.
• 1:46:05
  Flattering, but, but because. That was all you.
• 1:46:09
  You. You took the time to print out
• 1:46:10
  my face. My face.
• 1:46:13
  On your printer That's crazy so so yeah when when when when I
• 1:46:17
  was going through that that was that was but I'm that was what
• 1:46:22
  on a smaller scale of what what, but what could could I could
• 1:46:25
  experience and I think at that point I, I, I don't know if I've
• 1:46:29
  changed anything I may maybe in time maybe I kind of like
• 1:46:36
  steered myself away from things to.
• 1:46:38
  I do think sometimes when I write material, sometimes I'm
• 1:46:40
  like, Oh, well, I get in trouble for this.
• 1:46:41
  But like sometimes when I feel like on I, I might be, but it's,
• 1:46:45
  it's definitely something I want to say.
• 1:46:47
  Then I'll just do it like for like, for example, my next
• 1:46:50
  special that's coming out. I have a special that's coming
• 1:46:53
  out maybe around Feb and early March, depending on when the
• 1:46:56
  editing is done. We're, we're still working on it
• 1:47:00
  at the moment. It's a very, it's, it's, it's
• 1:47:02
  not a long one hour special. It's probably a little shorter
• 1:47:05
  than that. It's like a 40 minute special.
• 1:47:06
  But the main messaging of the special is how I have
• 1:47:11
  transitioned out of being based in Singapore, you know, and even
• 1:47:16
  though I'm working in Singapore, it's a great place for you to
• 1:47:18
  like, build your fortune. But like I, I, I've branched out
• 1:47:22
  simply because I needed to find other areas where I can get
• 1:47:26
  inspired more as an artist and and.
• 1:47:30
  And the messaging. Behind that is that Singapore's
• 1:47:32
  headed towards great economic success.
• 1:47:34
  Yeah, but. It doesn't.
• 1:47:37
  Come without a price. Yeah.
• 1:47:38
  You know, I mean, it comes at a price where you lose a lot of
• 1:47:41
  things that makes a country a country, you know, you lose.
• 1:47:43
  Yeah, yeah, you lose a lot of those things, like, yeah, you
• 1:47:46
  lose large pieces of your culture, you know?
• 1:47:50
  Yeah. You lose, you lose personality,
• 1:47:53
  sense of belonging, all these things, you individuality, all
• 1:47:56
  these things you lose that may seem not as important or may
• 1:48:00
  seem like it's. I mean, it is a young nation at
• 1:48:03
  the end of the day, it's only 60 years old.
• 1:48:04
  So like, so maybe culture takes like more than that.
• 1:48:07
  More, more than that short amount of time to develop.
• 1:48:09
  However, right now at this phase, I, I, I just want to tell
• 1:48:15
  Singaporeans that that's what's going on.
• 1:48:17
  You know, there's nothing we can do to kind of like, Oh no, let's
• 1:48:19
  like scale back or that, no, we're not.
• 1:48:21
  I'm not saying that. I mean, just be aware that this
• 1:48:23
  is happening and hold on to whatever that's important to you
• 1:48:26
  because in the future, we might, we, we, we might not realize how
• 1:48:30
  much we need it. You know, like, like a sense of
• 1:48:32
  individuality and culture may not seem like that big when
• 1:48:35
  you're trying to survive in in in a capitalist environment, but
• 1:48:39
  that it will be very valuable when you want to find out who
• 1:48:43
  you are when you expand out of Singapore, they'll be like, oh,
• 1:48:45
  who am I though? Like you have these things to
• 1:48:47
  hold on to. Yeah.
• 1:48:48
  Yeah. So, so, so yeah.
• 1:48:49
  So those are that that messaging definitely a polarizing, you
• 1:48:55
  know, opinion piece simply because some people will be like
• 1:49:00
  you, man, just because you think you have it, man.
• 1:49:01
  Like, not all of us don't like it here.
• 1:49:03
  You know, some of us actually enjoy staying here.
• 1:49:05
  Some of us actually think this works.
• 1:49:06
  Some of us actually love it. And that's fully respectable.
• 1:49:09
  But then I'm willing to put that out simply because, like a piece
• 1:49:13
  like that needs to exist so that people just think, you know,
• 1:49:15
  Yeah, That's that's that's that's just what I.
• 1:49:18
  So with that, I don't mind getting in trouble for.
• 1:49:20
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But depends if everything comes,
• 1:49:23
  just don't come too hard. I gotta Yeah, I get anxious.
• 1:49:28
  Yeah. Singapore's notoriously kind of
• 1:49:31
  like harsh on stuff like that, am I right?
• 1:49:34
  It depends on what you. Talk about it.
• 1:49:36
  Depends on what you talk about, I think.
• 1:49:38
  Well, when we're not shy from our, our, our defamation suits,
• 1:49:43
  you know? Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:49:45
  We're not shy from it. We're not shy from it.
• 1:49:47
  It's a shared hobby. Yeah.
• 1:49:48
  Yeah. We.
• 1:49:50
  Love that too. We love that, we love that here.
• 1:49:52
  We love the suit. We.
• 1:49:53
  Love the defamation. Suit.
• 1:49:54
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're not.
• 1:49:55
  We're not shy. Of of those, but yeah, it really
• 1:49:58
  depends on the top. I think like a lot of the main
• 1:50:02
  the things that Singapore is still very sensitive on would be
• 1:50:06
  the things that I guess are what they are strict on already in
• 1:50:10
  terms of, you know, like in terms of narcotics, in terms of
• 1:50:13
  these kind of things are very sensitive areas where like if
• 1:50:16
  you if you speak anything that is opposing to what the national
• 1:50:19
  consensus is, then you you, you most likely get into, you know,
• 1:50:24
  not not a very favourable place. Yeah, but, but otherwise, pretty
• 1:50:29
  much you can. I still feel that that there's a
• 1:50:34
  lot of leeway in Singapore to say what you need to say.
• 1:50:37
  However, you may not realize what you need to say until you
• 1:50:39
  get out of that place. Yeah, yeah, you, you got to get
• 1:50:42
  out to be like, oh, shit, I see it now.
• 1:50:44
  But when you're in it, you can say, but you don't really know
• 1:50:46
  because everything seems all right.
• 1:50:50
  Yeah, Utopia, Yeah, if. Yeah, everything seems all.
• 1:50:52
  Right. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:50:53
  Does it make you feel less anxious?
• 1:50:54
  That you're not based in Singapore?
• 1:50:57
  No, no, it's more everyday I live here.
• 1:51:01
  Because Singapore. It gives.
• 1:51:02
  Singapore gives you a sense of comfort, bro.
• 1:51:04
  When you're there, you're very comfortable.
• 1:51:06
  When you live there, you know, when you're outside, what I at
• 1:51:10
  least what I've been been unders what, what has been understood
• 1:51:14
  by me is that there is always imminent danger existing
• 1:51:18
  somewhere outside the system of that that is set, the system
• 1:51:21
  that's secure, as secure as Singapore as opposed to being in
• 1:51:24
  a country, you know. So there's always that, and so
• 1:51:28
  to. Answer your question.
• 1:51:29
  Secure. Don't know financially. 1000
• 1:51:33
  fucking percent. You're sad financially 1000.
• 1:51:37
  Percent. Finally, I can understand what
• 1:51:40
  it's like. Yeah.
• 1:51:41
  Yeah. To live like a human.
• 1:51:42
  Being. But but.
• 1:51:45
  But. But.
• 1:51:47
  With that also, I don't think that for granted.
• 1:51:48
  I think secure, well, not really, but like I think more
• 1:51:56
  experience, like more life experience.
• 1:51:59
  Yeah, yeah, I definitely, I don't regret it one bit because
• 1:52:02
  I feel like it's, it's still, it still feels like a home to go
• 1:52:05
  to. Like when I go back to
• 1:52:06
  Singapore, I still feel like, man, I miss my friends.
• 1:52:08
  I miss my yeah, yeah, whatever. I miss it.
• 1:52:11
  But then it's it's like a there's a time period where,
• 1:52:15
  where, where the moment I extend that time period, I'm like, yo
• 1:52:17
  man, I'd be slow cooked right now.
• 1:52:20
  Get the. Fuck out, yeah.
• 1:52:24
  That's that. Yeah, it is a crazy kind of.
• 1:52:26
  Thing to imagine, like this is your entire country and it's
• 1:52:30
  like this, yeah, yeah. And that when you think.
• 1:52:35
  About it that way and this is something that probably we never
• 1:52:37
  thought about living in Indonesia because it's always
• 1:52:41
  like oh I can go where we want crazy I've got islands and shit
• 1:52:44
  yeah I got. Islands The islands of.
• 1:52:45
  Singapore too. Probably.
• 1:52:47
  Basically, yeah. We take that for.
• 1:52:50
  Granted. Because if I put myself in that
• 1:52:52
  mindset of Singapore, like, all right, this is my life.
• 1:52:55
  This is this is where, like everything is going to be.
• 1:52:59
  Yeah. It makes sense why some people
• 1:53:01
  can go a little stir crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:03
  It's a large. You know what I mean?
• 1:53:06
  It's So what it's supposed to be like.
• 1:53:08
  It's a port, you know? But that don't mean don't mean.
• 1:53:11
  It's like, I always get into debates with my comedians.
• 1:53:15
  I'm like, oh, man, like you need to chill, man.
• 1:53:17
  Like countries come in different forms, like.
• 1:53:18
  Yeah. And I always come to the port
• 1:53:19
  you. Know open air mall yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:26
  But but yeah, so, so we regards to that, I think probably
• 1:53:31
  there's, there's there's definitely a lot of discussion
• 1:53:34
  and that that, that comes with that.
• 1:53:36
  But like, I personally feel like no matter how many discussions
• 1:53:39
  we have about where Singapore is headed, is it's inevitable
• 1:53:42
  because it has to do this is the only means that we have to
• 1:53:44
  survive. Yeah.
• 1:53:45
  We have to be that in order for us to survive, which is fine.
• 1:53:48
  But like just understand the things that come along with
• 1:53:51
  that, that, that that's a price, you know?
• 1:53:53
  Yeah. That's that's that's what I'm
• 1:53:54
  saying. Yeah.
• 1:53:55
  I like that you mentioned. Also a little a little hint, I
• 1:53:58
  don't know if this is something you've already like like dropped
• 1:54:01
  on the socials or whatever about your upcoming new special.
• 1:54:04
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're your motherfucker.
• 1:54:08
  Did. His research I love.
• 1:54:09
  This man Yeah, your. Previous special right So.
• 1:54:12
  How? Yes, it's on YouTube.
• 1:54:14
  It's free. You guys can.
• 1:54:15
  Yeah, go watch it. Yeah, you watch it.
• 1:54:16
  It's kind of free. You can give money.
• 1:54:18
  If you want to, yeah, that's actually what I want to touch.
• 1:54:20
  On right, Yeah, yeah. Because you talked about there
• 1:54:22
  there's like a there's like a intermission in the middle,
• 1:54:25
  right Yeah where you're like, hey, yeah, you know this is self
• 1:54:28
  produced self finance. Yes, please donate anything
• 1:54:31
  about 20 bucks yeah into the thing in.
• 1:54:34
  PayPal, Yeah, I just wanted to know.
• 1:54:36
  Like is this first of all, like why you chose to put it out
• 1:54:41
  there for free and also like self finance and also how is
• 1:54:45
  that working out for you? So I do it, I love it.
• 1:54:48
  I'll. Answer the second one first.
• 1:54:49
  Not very well. No, no, no.
• 1:54:55
  No, I was just saying that to be.
• 1:54:57
  Funny, but like you, you, you, I think I, I, I, I, I got back
• 1:55:02
  what I invested and then like with a little bit, OK, you can,
• 1:55:06
  you can expect, you know, but yeah, but I, I, I, I released it
• 1:55:10
  on YouTube simply because after 2 Netflix specials, I thought, I
• 1:55:14
  thought I was like, OK, this is the reach I can get with a
• 1:55:18
  paywall in between. And I'm thinking to myself like
• 1:55:22
  at the end of the day, how comedy should be served.
• 1:55:26
  This it should be, it should be served to the masses.
• 1:55:29
  It should be like, you know what I mean?
• 1:55:30
  Like everybody should get it. So I thought like, man, if I put
• 1:55:33
  this on a YouTube that the whole world can see it.
• 1:55:35
  It's not just restricted to the countries that that have the
• 1:55:39
  Netflix subscription. It can be everywhere.
• 1:55:41
  You don't need a subscription, you guys.
• 1:55:42
  And, and, and that way the message gets spread faster, you
• 1:55:47
  know, and the, and the comedic sensors that because like
• 1:55:49
  ultimately with, with so how it was like, I just wanted them to
• 1:55:53
  see the diversity within the Malay culture.
• 1:55:54
  That's it. Everybody thinks that the Malay
• 1:55:56
  culture to be a certain type of way.
• 1:55:58
  I just thought with so how you'll be like, OK, that's,
• 1:56:00
  that's, that's Malays. But Malays comes in, they come
• 1:56:02
  in different forms, right? Yeah.
• 1:56:03
  So that's what I wanted to show. And, and with that, I I believe
• 1:56:08
  that there needed to be like a like, like like a platform where
• 1:56:10
  it's like larger and in terms of reach, in terms of I love
• 1:56:15
  YouTube, you know, it, it, it did a lot for me with my career.
• 1:56:19
  Really definitely moved the needle for me.
• 1:56:21
  It definitely elevated the, the, the position where I'm at.
• 1:56:24
  Yeah. But with that, I guess it made
• 1:56:27
  the money worth it. The money is worth it.
• 1:56:29
  I'm releasing my next one still on YouTube.
• 1:56:31
  I'm not saying that I, I'm quitting Netflix all together,
• 1:56:34
  but like, like that, that just is this more exciting to be able
• 1:56:40
  to like take autonomy on like what you want to do when you
• 1:56:43
  want to release stuff. And yeah, like, you know, like
• 1:56:45
  it's just, and I feel like no matter what we live in such a
• 1:56:48
  market where like mediums like music and videos and all that,
• 1:56:52
  it's gonna be out there, bro. No matter how much you try to
• 1:56:54
  price it, yeah, it's always gonna be out there.
• 1:56:56
  So I want to take control and be like, yo, you just have it, you
• 1:57:00
  know, like, but like when you do have it, and if I'm doing a new
• 1:57:03
  show and come now, you know, pay our tickets, you know what I'm
• 1:57:06
  saying? Yeah, I think that's kind of
• 1:57:07
  like. Where things might be headed
• 1:57:09
  because you can't just have an online presence only you kind of
• 1:57:14
  have to be offline and like have those in person shows if you're
• 1:57:18
  like an artist, you know, yeah. Like otherwise, you know, people
• 1:57:21
  are not going to, it's not going to be able to sustain itself,
• 1:57:26
  you know, because monetization on platforms is pennies, you
• 1:57:30
  know? Yeah, you, you, you.
• 1:57:31
  Get that sentiment? Yeah.
• 1:57:33
  Yeah, well, man, like I. Understand pennies more than
• 1:57:36
  anyone, but but yeah yeah, it's it's yeah, it's definitely I
• 1:57:43
  think the the the money that comes with comedy it you you
• 1:57:46
  have to kind of trust that that once your art is out there, the
• 1:57:51
  opportunities that come with you hopefully would would just would
• 1:57:55
  present itself. But if it doesn't you kind of
• 1:57:58
  still have to create your own opportunity is really a constant
• 1:58:01
  grind. That's why with like platforms
• 1:58:02
  like this man, like you're doing what you love, but at the same
• 1:58:04
  time also you guys kind of have to like keep doing it and keep
• 1:58:07
  grinding because like, it's kind of like a self.
• 1:58:11
  It's it's a self built effort. Now you can't rely and wait on
• 1:58:16
  something that happens. Sometimes you get that, you get
• 1:58:18
  that corporate call or you get that campaign or you get that
• 1:58:20
  there and that will like set you up for like the next three or
• 1:58:23
  four months. But most of the time it's you
• 1:58:25
  just hustling, you know, like the Australian tool.
• 1:58:28
  It's it's stuff that we built on our own backs.
• 1:58:30
  It's not like, you know, we work with organizations, but yeah, we
• 1:58:33
  work with festivals, but it's stuff, you know, Kai and I built
• 1:58:36
  on our own backs. And and even though the the the
• 1:58:40
  like trying to expand in Indonesia also is something that
• 1:58:44
  I just found interesting, you know, yeah, I don't, I don't, I
• 1:58:48
  don't necessarily think is the most lucrative choice.
• 1:58:50
  True. Yeah, yeah, but, but, but at the
• 1:58:54
  end of the day. I think reaching the the people
• 1:58:56
  here is is more exciting than than to think about the money
• 1:59:01
  like, you know, like the money as long as I'm not losing money.
• 1:59:05
  I am losing money, no. No, no, no, I'm not.
• 1:59:08
  I'm not. What is your making up for it
• 1:59:10
  in? Like I think like the, the
• 1:59:12
  diversity of the experiences that you're getting is just one
• 1:59:14
  thing. And I hear like streaming
• 1:59:16
  residuals are kind of shitty anyway.
• 1:59:18
  Or, or sometimes, like I've heard of this a lot where like
• 1:59:21
  sometimes, you know, maybe Netflix decides when they're
• 1:59:24
  like, you know, we're not gonna host your specials anymore.
• 1:59:26
  Just like poop. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:59:27
  And it's gone. Right, Right.
• 1:59:28
  It's. Gone but on YouTube.
• 1:59:28
  It's kind of being like, yeah, it's like, yeah, direct access
• 1:59:32
  to like your audience. It's pretty good, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:59:34
  And I think that takes. The power away from the comic or
• 1:59:36
  the artist. You know, where you have a
• 1:59:38
  platform that determines whether or not it stays on or not.
• 1:59:42
  Like, dude, man, like Netflix has increased the, the position
• 1:59:47
  of myself as a comic over the years.
• 1:59:50
  It has and I'll be forever thankful for that.
• 1:59:52
  And, and we, we have a good relationship.
• 1:59:54
  However, I, I do feel like post that there needs to be another
• 1:59:59
  form of growth, you know, and, and yeah, the putting it out on
• 2:00:03
  YouTube has definitely helped me.
• 2:00:05
  And I think that's how media is consumed now with the, with also
• 2:00:09
  this not being an exception. All these clips that you do, all
• 2:00:13
  these clips that you have on is free to consume.
• 2:00:16
  Yeah, right. With anybody that's free to talk
• 2:00:19
  shit about it in the comments, yeah.
• 2:00:22
  Yeah, yeah. So like the the.
• 2:00:24
  The. Reach.
• 2:00:25
  The Reach. Of it is like, I feel like at
• 2:00:28
  least for us, we got to get there first because we want a
• 2:00:31
  widest possible kind of like fan base, I guess you would say,
• 2:00:36
  because at the end of the day, I don't think and this is more of
• 2:00:39
  like content creator kind of thing.
• 2:00:41
  Yeah, yeah. I don't think we can rely on
• 2:00:43
  just monetization from platforms.
• 2:00:45
  We need like a sort of like we need like a sort of Patreon fan
• 2:00:52
  donation kind of like self funded thing to open up to
• 2:00:56
  survive and and thrive in it kind of like what a drop out
• 2:01:01
  formerly call it humor. Yeah, the kind of system that
• 2:01:04
  they have and it's kind of difficult when you're when
• 2:01:09
  you're direct to. Consumer, but it's kind.
• 2:01:10
  Of difficult when you're in a third world country, right, If
• 2:01:14
  you're in Indonesia, if you're Indonesia, people are struggling
• 2:01:17
  to get by. They're not going to pay for a
• 2:01:19
  stupid podcast, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:01:21
  And. That's exactly what my point is.
• 2:01:24
  So. So I think it's pretty
• 2:01:26
  understood. I've said this a couple of times
• 2:01:28
  also, but the reason why I moved to YouTube.
• 2:01:30
  But it's definitely a choice that has not been something I
• 2:01:33
  regret. Yeah, yeah, for sure I regret.
• 2:01:35
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:01:38
  You you you talked about. Also music, and I want to talk a
• 2:01:41
  little bit about music because, yeah, because I see, I see you
• 2:01:44
  shredding, Row. I see you shredding.
• 2:01:45
  Shredding, not shredding. Shredding the Blues were the
• 2:01:50
  Blues the Blues. Oh yeah.
• 2:01:51
  Dude. Dude, I.
• 2:01:52
  Am a big fan like like I love music like like sorry.
• 2:01:56
  Ask your question first. You used to have a band, right?
• 2:01:59
  You used to be in a band. Unless Wikipedia is lying to me.
• 2:02:02
  Yeah, yeah. Wikipedia we need to check.
• 2:02:05
  That man, what are you saying about me?
• 2:02:07
  Wikipedia. They said you used.
• 2:02:09
  To be a cleaner you used to you used to fuck bro.
• 2:02:14
  You used to have odd gigs or something and you used to have a
• 2:02:17
  band and you do crowd warming sets between like your
• 2:02:23
  performance or something like that.
• 2:02:24
  Can we? Can we?
• 2:02:25
  Can we pull it up? Do you know what?
• 2:02:28
  You know what? Pull it up for your thing and
• 2:02:29
  read. Do you know what?
• 2:02:30
  Do you know what? Your picture is on, you said
• 2:02:32
  man. Pull it up.
• 2:02:34
  Pull, you know, pull my wiki. And read it right.
• 2:02:36
  Now OK, how about the crash? The fuck out.
• 2:02:39
  You can. You can.
• 2:02:40
  Fact Check your. Wiki right now.
• 2:02:41
  OK, OK, OK. OK, all right, I read that.
• 2:02:45
  You. What?
• 2:02:47
  Are you? Aware this is your picture.
• 2:02:49
  No, no where. Is this from my manager?
• 2:02:52
  Is not even aware. Did you know this?
• 2:02:54
  Website where? Where is this from?
• 2:02:56
  You knew it. We have a wiki.
• 2:02:58
  Where is this from? This is from like a.
• 2:03:01
  Skit show I did with this group called Wabanana.
• 2:03:04
  I don't know if you've heard of him.
• 2:03:05
  You're on like on like an. Aster Yeah.
• 2:03:07
  No, no, no, no. Any.
• 2:03:09
  Any. Any personal life stuff there?
• 2:03:11
  Here we go. All right, let's go.
• 2:03:13
  Let's. Go Madhuri was.
• 2:03:15
  Born on. 19 September we're September babies by the way,
• 2:03:19
  1986 in Singapore and has had a secondary education in Malaysia
• 2:03:23
  and did his Sigillo Plagiaran Malaysia.
• 2:03:26
  He went back to Singapore and did his national service.
• 2:03:30
  He had previous. This is the part I read he had
• 2:03:31
  previously worked as a waiter for a paddock club for working
• 2:03:34
  at Far East Plaza as a cleaner. Is that is that?
• 2:03:38
  What is that Is that? Yeah.
• 2:03:41
  This part doesn't even have. Like a reference to it.
• 2:03:45
  They they just like I know it, man.
• 2:03:47
  Yeah, off camera trust. Now your manager is like Jaws
• 2:03:51
  again. Trust me bro.
• 2:03:54
  Where are. They getting this info from
• 2:03:56
  source. Trust me bro.
• 2:03:57
  Yeah, yeah. But anyway, right.
• 2:03:59
  Cleaner, right. Cleaner, Right?
• 2:04:01
  Right, right. Right.
• 2:04:02
  Confirm. Confirm.
• 2:04:03
  OK, you know what? Let me.
• 2:04:04
  Let me. Just OK, let me let me hit us,
• 2:04:05
  hit you with the story. OK, I wasn't just so so here's
• 2:04:08
  the thing. Before I went to national
• 2:04:09
  service, I, I, I just finished my CGI project and Malaysia.
• 2:04:13
  So like I just finished SPMI, didn't want to go to tertiary
• 2:04:16
  because like at that point of time, all I wanted to do was
• 2:04:19
  just enjoy myself. SPM is SPM.
• 2:04:22
  It's like the O levels of what's the equivalent of O levels here?
• 2:04:26
  SO levels, yeah. High school High school diploma
• 2:04:30
  high. School diploma.
• 2:04:31
  Is like 12th. Grade or beyond that, OK, we
• 2:04:34
  don't have 12th grade. I was just like secondary one,
• 2:04:38
  or rather in In Malaysia is form 1 to form 5, so so is.
• 2:04:42
  That would be like 1313 to 6. 13 to 16 or 17?
• 2:04:46
  Oh, OK. Yeah.
• 2:04:47
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:04:48
  Yeah, yeah. So.
• 2:04:48
  So you graduate high school at 17.
• 2:04:50
  OK. I see.
• 2:04:51
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:04:52
  Yeah, so I don't. Know how it works here a lot,
• 2:04:53
  but like it's, it's, it's that's, that's that's how it
• 2:04:55
  worked in in Malaysia. So post that when between when
• 2:05:00
  you if you want, you can register for national service
• 2:05:04
  early and go in at 18. But for myself, I thought I was
• 2:05:08
  gonna go to tertiary education, but I ended up I I I didn't do
• 2:05:13
  it. Yeah.
• 2:05:14
  So because I didn't do it, there was a period of time where I
• 2:05:17
  needed to wait for the National Service to call me in.
• 2:05:20
  OK. So that period could range from
• 2:05:23
  three months to, like, one to two years, right?
• 2:05:26
  You don't know that. You don't know that.
• 2:05:28
  You just pull up some information on me, right?
• 2:05:31
  You know, I was really. There in between so so, so, so,
• 2:05:36
  so. Between that time you can either
• 2:05:39
  get a job, but like not many jobs who want to get you simply
• 2:05:44
  because simply because but you might be called in, they can't
• 2:05:48
  hire. You long term, yeah.
• 2:05:49
  You know where you are going, so you can't find words.
• 2:05:51
  So the only word that you can find are like, all jobs.
• 2:05:53
  And that's why I didn't mind. I just needed some money so that
• 2:05:55
  I can go out and party, you know.
• 2:05:57
  So I was like, all right, I'll be a cleaner for like, one or
• 2:05:59
  two months and then get a little bit of that, you know, because
• 2:06:02
  those were the only jobs that would take you at a time, right?
• 2:06:04
  Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. But but I'll wait.
• 2:06:06
  Whatever. But I scored this one one time.
• 2:06:09
  I scored this, this temporary contract, bro.
• 2:06:12
  It was like I was 19 at a time, this temporary contract for like
• 2:06:16
  3 months or four months, right? I got to be a security guard at
• 2:06:21
  a university female hostel, bro. University.
• 2:06:25
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like.
• 2:06:25
  A hostel like a female. Hostel I was 19 bro, the female
• 2:06:29
  hostel in there 21. I'm their biggest threat.
• 2:06:34
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:06:37
  You know. I, I was a security guard there,
• 2:06:39
  right? And there's one time I, I
• 2:06:42
  remember I, I, I had to, they did the biggest threat in that.
• 2:06:47
  I was like, yeah man, we need to catch his underwear, thief
• 2:06:51
  underwear. There was an underwear.
• 2:06:54
  Thief at large and he always strikes at night.
• 2:06:57
  And then my supervisor looks at me.
• 2:06:58
  Boy, you are responsible, OK? If you see the underwear thief,
• 2:07:02
  you must chase and catch. I'm this scrawny little kid.
• 2:07:04
  I'm like, what am I going to do, you know?
• 2:07:07
  What I mean as a? 90 year old kid, right, So I'm
• 2:07:10
  never going to be able to catch him, right.
• 2:07:12
  And so every night we got to do our rounds, right.
• 2:07:14
  Most of the times I'll do the rounds and then I'll go into
• 2:07:16
  like they have a common room in there.
• 2:07:17
  I'll just fucking sleep in there for one or two hours, right.
• 2:07:19
  And I'm doing my rounds one at nights.
• 2:07:22
  And then like I saw like a guy like something like I think he
• 2:07:26
  knew my I was there and then he like immediately walked quickly
• 2:07:29
  or the other direction. And I saw this guy and this guy
• 2:07:32
  is speed walking and on the floor is like a whole bunch of
• 2:07:36
  panties. It's right there.
• 2:07:39
  That's like the panty bandit right there.
• 2:07:41
  You know what I mean? You saw the panty.
• 2:07:43
  I know, I saw. The at. 19 I was like, how good
• 2:07:46
  is it? But you know, I didn't.
• 2:07:47
  I didn't. Want to do?
• 2:07:49
  It I didn't want to do. It as I was like, dude, man, I
• 2:07:51
  have a job. I am I am I am the security guy.
• 2:07:54
  Go get him say professor, I chased after him, right?
• 2:07:58
  And this guy knows that I'm chasing after him, starts
• 2:08:00
  running and I'm like a nervous 19 year old, but I'm like, hey,
• 2:08:04
  stop. Please.
• 2:08:07
  Bro bro, do this. I can't fight him.
• 2:08:12
  I can't fight him, you know? So I'm going like, dude, this
• 2:08:15
  is, I don't know what to do. Like I have a walkie-talkie
• 2:08:17
  shoot. I throw it at him.
• 2:08:20
  You know what I mean? I don't even know, like I'm
• 2:08:22
  just, I'm calling, I'm calling. I was like and I'm panting.
• 2:08:26
  I'm going on the way under. Way under way thief under way
• 2:08:30
  thief and I can only imagine like control.
• 2:08:35
  Center, What the fuck going on? Because he's going straight to
• 2:08:37
  HQ, bro, everything, everything is going straight to HQ, right?
• 2:08:40
  And this is a big campus, so you can imagine at 3:00 AM in the
• 2:08:43
  morning, they're hearing in the campus underwear.
• 2:08:46
  Underwear team I turn to the corner.
• 2:08:50
  And I see this guy on the ground, and right there was my
• 2:08:54
  supervisor, his knees on his belly.
• 2:08:56
  He's going like this one. Yeah.
• 2:08:59
  But then as he's there, my. Supervisor had the underwear.
• 2:09:04
  In his hand. Cash already.
• 2:09:05
  All right, put it down. Put it down.
• 2:09:10
  I know they're going to catch you.
• 2:09:11
  Stop. Stop it.
• 2:09:12
  Put it down. Don't get your fingerprints on
• 2:09:14
  there. Yeah.
• 2:09:15
  Yeah. So, so right.
• 2:09:17
  The month after that I go and listen to NS with that
• 2:09:19
  experience they need. They need to update that.
• 2:09:22
  Wikipedia pager right now bro. This is critical.
• 2:09:25
  Information, right? Yeah.
• 2:09:28
  They didn't. Put this on the.
• 2:09:29
  Wikipedia. Yeah, it's what a tangent.
• 2:09:32
  It's stupid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:09:34
  Underwear teams the. Adventures you're on in 19.
• 2:09:36
  Just wild shit. It's wild shit and you're so
• 2:09:38
  nervous. At 19, bro, you bet you, you,
• 2:09:40
  you barely, you know, you barely hit puberty.
• 2:09:43
  I mean, unless for me, my testosterone hit very late.
• 2:09:46
  I was still, I was still very effeminate, you know, I mean,
• 2:09:51
  there's no need to use that in the past tense.
• 2:09:52
  Sometimes I have my moments, but you know I.
• 2:09:55
  But you know, like. Like at 19 I went, I think after
• 2:09:59
  NS then it started to be like then then I think it was kind of
• 2:10:04
  like a baptism of fire a little bit.
• 2:10:06
  NS it, I think for, for a lot of Singaporeans, NS kind of just
• 2:10:10
  feels like your preparation through the corporate world
• 2:10:13
  because we're not really prepping for any kind of war,
• 2:10:15
  you know what I mean? I was a police officer in NSA.
• 2:10:17
  Police officer. Yeah.
• 2:10:18
  I, I trained, yeah, yeah, I trained.
• 2:10:20
  I, I was training like, you know, young kids to shoot guns.
• 2:10:24
  I like how your reins are, man. It comes in for like 3 seconds
• 2:10:26
  and leaves. I don't know.
• 2:10:27
  I know it's very Moody vibes again, vibes.
• 2:10:29
  There's the vibe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:10:31
  So. So so yeah, so that's the that's
• 2:10:34
  the I like how this broadcast so the lights change.
• 2:10:37
  Hopefully. Dude, I swear when you.
• 2:10:39
  Look through the fucking video every time you this is gonna be
• 2:10:42
  fucking. Edited.
• 2:10:43
  You sure came through the timeline.
• 2:10:44
  And it's dark. Light, dark light.
• 2:10:46
  It's fucking nuts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:10:48
  It's funny, you guys. Like like like.
• 2:10:49
  So you guys take this and you guys edit it according to story
• 2:10:52
  or according to what? What according to No, we just
• 2:10:55
  like. No so the.
• 2:10:57
  The raw form will be up on YouTube all like the full
• 2:11:00
  flowers and 11 minutes of it. Right, right, right, right.
• 2:11:02
  And then. Flowers 11 minutes.
• 2:11:04
  And more I edit. That the long one.
• 2:11:06
  And I just make sure like, oh, the audio's OK.
• 2:11:07
  And then I send it to him and then he is the one who clip
• 2:11:10
  farms it. OK, OK, OK.
• 2:11:12
  OK, want to go back to your Wikipedia?
• 2:11:14
  Sure, man, sure. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
• 2:11:16
  OK, well, it says yeah. OK, you did the cleaning gig and
• 2:11:19
  then the, unbeknownst to Wikipedia, the underwear thief
• 2:11:22
  saga. Yeah, and then that's new.
• 2:11:25
  Actually I'm trying to work that on.
• 2:11:26
  Stage, yeah, but that's, that's, that's a couple of elements that
• 2:11:29
  my my manager got nervous. I was going to say on camera
• 2:11:32
  that OK, OK. I said there's elements of the
• 2:11:35
  story that you got nervous that I did.
• 2:11:36
  Yeah. So I did yeah.
• 2:11:37
  That's that's the media. Training Denver Very Yeah.
• 2:11:42
  Anyway. The Wikipedia.
• 2:11:43
  Goes on to say that he later formed a band and would talk to
• 2:11:46
  the audience in between songs, eventually hosting events or a
• 2:11:50
  local band. I like that.
• 2:11:51
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did, I did that, yeah.
• 2:11:53
  Yeah. So, so I, I was a part of a band
• 2:11:57
  and I was singing in the band, you know, and then slowly the
• 2:12:01
  the the people who are organizing the gigs were like,
• 2:12:04
  hey man, how would you like to host these things instead?
• 2:12:07
  And I. Didn't know at the time.
• 2:12:09
  They were trying to get me away from singing.
• 2:12:13
  You know, but like, but I, I, I. I hosted them and I think within
• 2:12:17
  the while I was with, I liked how like we just be honest on
• 2:12:20
  stage when I was hosting. But like a long, I think a long
• 2:12:24
  time after that, I found that it was easier just to be by
• 2:12:27
  yourself and not have to work with a band, you know what I
• 2:12:29
  mean? Yeah.
• 2:12:30
  So that was fun. And for a long time also, I was
• 2:12:35
  very into the rock scene. Like I love like the, I loved
• 2:12:38
  rock music and also like the metal scene.
• 2:12:40
  I was like when I was a teenage, when I was in my teenage years,
• 2:12:43
  I, I was in a punk band, you know.
• 2:12:46
  Yeah, I was in a punk band. Yeah.
• 2:12:48
  Yeah. So, so we, yeah, it was, I think
• 2:12:50
  it was back before like social media and everything.
• 2:12:52
  So a lot of like the political causes that I know today were
• 2:12:56
  introduced to me when I was in the punk bands, you know, stuff
• 2:12:58
  like when they they showed, they used to, you know, these things
• 2:13:01
  called scenes. But they were like, yeah, yeah,
• 2:13:04
  yeah, yeah. So he's big on the scene.
• 2:13:05
  Yeah. So.
• 2:13:06
  So Z so. They were like, you know, that's
• 2:13:08
  where you learn about capitalism.
• 2:13:10
  You learn about all those things.
• 2:13:11
  Shit, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this was like back in 2001,
• 2:13:16
  you know, so. So where when where right right
• 2:13:20
  from the punk band, I went into the rock scene and that was more
• 2:13:22
  like music centered. And then I when because rock was
• 2:13:27
  like experiencing A decline genre wise.
• 2:13:30
  It was it was slowly becoming obsolete as a genre.
• 2:13:33
  It was like plateauing, but like hip hop at that time was a new
• 2:13:38
  form of. Rebellion at.
• 2:13:40
  That time was a new form of rebellion in terms of music.
• 2:13:43
  It was a surgeons of hip hop, so like, and I was always a big
• 2:13:46
  fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:13:51
  This is the big guy. So I was a very big fan of hip
• 2:13:53
  hop. So for I think the longest time
• 2:13:56
  when I was like kind of into music, I was just into hip hop
• 2:13:59
  and stuff. Yeah, I've given out my my
• 2:14:04
  music. Dreams I wanted to be a rapper
• 2:14:05
  I've. Given that up, you got to.
• 2:14:08
  Give it out my mom I'm. Bro I'm like 39 bro, I can't be,
• 2:14:11
  I can't. Do you have a SoundCloud?
• 2:14:13
  No I don't bro. If a band camp bro.
• 2:14:16
  If there was. SoundCloud do when I was coming
• 2:14:18
  out of them. Embarrassing songs out there,
• 2:14:21
  bro. Yeah, I swear.
• 2:14:23
  But kids? Get away with so many things
• 2:14:25
  like real a lot easier now, right?
• 2:14:27
  Yeah, but like that's. Why I want to I want to delve
• 2:14:31
  into the music side of things because what would you say is a
• 2:14:35
  harder industry to break into? Music or comedy?
• 2:14:38
  Wow, that's a. That's a good question.
• 2:14:41
  I think Music. I think music.
• 2:14:45
  Because I feel like even though it's, it's, I feel like music is
• 2:14:48
  easier to, if you're good at music versus you're good at
• 2:14:51
  comedy. I, I, I, maybe it's a grass is
• 2:14:54
  greener on the other side kind of thing.
• 2:14:55
  I do envy musicians that are able to just perform their shit
• 2:15:00
  out there. You know what I mean?
• 2:15:02
  And for a musician, if you perform your shit and
• 2:15:05
  motherfuckers don't vibe with it, it's their fault, you know?
• 2:15:08
  That's how it's supposed to sound.
• 2:15:10
  But for, like, comics, yeah, you have to be you.
• 2:15:13
  You. You know, if they don't fuck
• 2:15:15
  with it, it's kind of you. You're not.
• 2:15:17
  You're the problem. Yeah.
• 2:15:18
  Yeah, I know you're not adapting.
• 2:15:20
  To what's going on so. So there's.
• 2:15:23
  That and then I think music also a lot of like similar sounding
• 2:15:30
  people, a lot of things in order for you to stand out in music
• 2:15:35
  and also like the labels and the distribution and all that kind
• 2:15:38
  of stuff. There's a lot of, it's an
• 2:15:40
  industry that's always like very ready to consume you before you
• 2:15:45
  even start. Yeah, you know, Yeah.
• 2:15:48
  So right. Yeah, you always.
• 2:15:50
  Find. Bands or rappers, like you think
• 2:15:52
  they did well for their first album, and they made no money
• 2:15:55
  out of that album. Yeah.
• 2:15:56
  Yeah. It's so common, right?
• 2:15:58
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:15:58
  And it's because, like, they were into the making of the
• 2:16:01
  music, but they didn't understand the business aspect
• 2:16:03
  of things. Yeah.
• 2:16:04
  Yeah. So I find.
• 2:16:05
  That I learned a lot of my individuality on how to run a
• 2:16:10
  business as an individual through comedy.
• 2:16:12
  I'm very fortunate for that. But I have a lot of musician
• 2:16:14
  friends that had to learn in the hard way where like a lot of
• 2:16:17
  their residual residuals that were never earned, masters that
• 2:16:20
  were never owned, you know, and, and just like corporations that
• 2:16:24
  just like, and the moment they're consumed by the
• 2:16:27
  corporations, they lose their will to kind of like make.
• 2:16:31
  Yeah, so I find like music it's it's a lot harder climb like
• 2:16:35
  yeah, music think even harder. Now that even though you get a
• 2:16:39
  wider reach by like putting things up on like SoundCloud or
• 2:16:42
  Spotify streaming the. Monetization from those.
• 2:16:45
  Platforms are like, again, pennies.
• 2:16:47
  Yeah, yeah, you got you. Got a million streams?
• 2:16:49
  Congrats. Yeah.
• 2:16:50
  Two cents? No.
• 2:16:52
  But if you do, if you. Do kind of make it, if you do
• 2:16:55
  kind of make it, that's that you earn money, though.
• 2:16:57
  But like, then you have to, when you get to that point, you've
• 2:17:01
  already get, you've gotten ripped off, you know, you by the
• 2:17:04
  time you get you've gotten ripped off, You know, that that
• 2:17:06
  easy. You've been so much.
• 2:17:07
  It's really for me to mention this right now.
• 2:17:09
  You know, it's easy, easy song. It's a long way to the top if
• 2:17:12
  you want to rock'n'roll, Yeah. Like in that song, it's just
• 2:17:15
  like getting to getting ripped off, getting like, yeah.
• 2:17:17
  Like in that song, it really just tells you that look, it
• 2:17:20
  really is a long way if you want to rock'n'roll, yeah.
• 2:17:25
  That shitty? Road it's.
• 2:17:26
  A long shitty road and. A lot of people die and, you
• 2:17:30
  know, they and they just give up, right.
• 2:17:31
  And I know so many musicians that just like, dude, everybody
• 2:17:35
  is a fucking vulture around me right now.
• 2:17:37
  And I'm, I just, I don't have the heart for this.
• 2:17:39
  I just want to make music. And they end up just in their
• 2:17:41
  corner making music. Yeah.
• 2:17:42
  Or some, some, some, some have so much trauma that they don't
• 2:17:45
  even want to touch the music. Yeah.
• 2:17:47
  You know, then they go like, yo, that, that reminds me of like
• 2:17:51
  too much that I can't even get my head there.
• 2:17:53
  Anymore you. Lose the love for it.
• 2:17:54
  Basically, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:17:56
  So I. Think my if if I could give any
• 2:17:58
  advice for any, any musician out there that's kind of trying to
• 2:18:01
  do their thing. Just do your thing, man.
• 2:18:03
  Just do your thing. And like it's very important
• 2:18:05
  that before you enter any deal for you to know the business
• 2:18:08
  aspect of things like, you know, you don't have to you don't have
• 2:18:10
  to worry about getting famous or anything like that eventually
• 2:18:12
  will happen if your shits dope. But like, you know, but very,
• 2:18:16
  very importantly for you to get some some some motherfucker that
• 2:18:19
  could like run you down. Yeah, and don't get ripped off
• 2:18:22
  right? Own all your.
• 2:18:23
  Shit own all. Your shit, that's the first,
• 2:18:25
  that's the first step yeah, I get I get a little bit, you
• 2:18:29
  know, not trigger, but I get a little bit passionate when
• 2:18:32
  you're talking about me because a lot of my friends are close
• 2:18:34
  musicians and. Yeah, yeah, and.
• 2:18:36
  And many of them have been ripped off yeah yeah.
• 2:18:38
  Like a. Rite of passage It is.
• 2:18:40
  It is, isn't it? Right it.
• 2:18:42
  Is, isn't it? And if you survive that and you
• 2:18:44
  pass that, then you actually become more successful than
• 2:18:47
  you're set out to be. But not everybody can survive
• 2:18:50
  that. Yes, first RIP off, you know
• 2:18:52
  what I mean? There's like a survivorship bias
• 2:18:53
  to it, right? Where?
• 2:18:54
  Like we all, we only get to hear like, the big musicians and
• 2:18:57
  like, we don't know about all the people who, like, never made
• 2:19:00
  it to that. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:19:01
  There's so many. People just like, you know, just
• 2:19:03
  gave up along. The way.
• 2:19:03
  Which is kind of sad. Yeah, we've got one right here.
• 2:19:10
  I. Was like no.
• 2:19:13
  Wonder you're so passionate? Man, you're one of those guys
• 2:19:18
  it. Comes fat you out bro.
• 2:19:20
  It comes from a deep. Place in your heart.
• 2:19:22
  Yeah, Yeah. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
• 2:19:25
  Yeah, with like the whole. Comedy thing like you said you
• 2:19:27
  were going to do like another special, right?
• 2:19:29
  Is that also going to take place?
• 2:19:31
  I mean, like take the form of like, so how in the sense that,
• 2:19:34
  you know, it's self produce self finance, it's gonna be out for
• 2:19:38
  free, yes. It's definitely everything,
• 2:19:41
  everything in the form of so how hopefully with more money this
• 2:19:44
  time coming in from apparently there's a button on YouTube that
• 2:19:50
  you can you like a money button. Maybe I tell my manager this,
• 2:19:56
  there's some money button on YouTube that I can put if I
• 2:19:59
  upload it. So if there's some way that we
• 2:20:01
  get that money button going, the money button.
• 2:20:04
  There's literally a button. That has a dollar on it whether
• 2:20:07
  you click on it. And then like when you comment,
• 2:20:10
  they can show you how much you donate it at the site.
• 2:20:12
  Oh yeah. Is it like like some?
• 2:20:16
  Channel. Membership.
• 2:20:17
  Is it or is it different? No, no.
• 2:20:18
  It's like like. Donation like outside donation
• 2:20:21
  kind of like. I think right, okay, yeah, yeah,
• 2:20:25
  yeah, yeah, so. So it takes that form and yeah,
• 2:20:28
  I'm very excited to put it out. Pause.
• 2:20:32
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 2:20:42
  yeah. Yeah.
• 2:20:43
  But yeah, very excited because it's it's definitely like right
• 2:20:48
  after. So how like too real was kind of
• 2:20:49
  like the the the transition into that.
• 2:20:52
  So how style of stand up. I think this one really has.
• 2:20:56
  I'm actually very excited. Even my manager hasn't seen it
• 2:20:58
  yet. So I'm I'm the only one that has
• 2:21:00
  seen it together with the guys that that are anything.
• 2:21:03
  And, and yeah, I'm very excited to have that so that it's going
• 2:21:05
  to take the same form. And yeah, it's going to be out.
• 2:21:10
  I watch out for it like maybe late Feb, probably during
• 2:21:13
  Ramadan after. I'm trying to aim for it to be
• 2:21:16
  like during Chinese New Year because that's when everybody's
• 2:21:20
  so festive, you know? Yeah, yeah, Chinese people are
• 2:21:22
  spending money, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:21:25
  I, I do hit the money button, bro.
• 2:21:27
  I do a lot, I do a lot of punch lines in China in in Mandarin
• 2:21:30
  now simply because I want an audience with a disposable
• 2:21:32
  income that's. Like it's too real.
• 2:21:36
  That's that's actually you're going to spend all the power,
• 2:21:38
  yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:21:39
  An audience interview. Yeah.
• 2:21:40
  Why do you think our podcast is in?
• 2:21:41
  English aimed at people living in Qatar, you know, got to aim
• 2:21:46
  for that. That that.
• 2:21:46
  That. That five, you guys have the
• 2:21:50
  largest, do you know? This You notice Indonesia has
• 2:21:52
  the largest population of Chinese people in Southeast
• 2:21:55
  Asia. Google it.
• 2:21:57
  Yeah, I. Wouldn't be surprised we have
• 2:21:59
  the. Largest.
• 2:21:59
  Population of anything in Southeast Asia, I feel like.
• 2:22:02
  Fair enough. Fair enough.
• 2:22:03
  Wait, wait. Are you?
• 2:22:04
  Guys bigger than Philippines? No right.
• 2:22:06
  I mean like size wise I believe so, yeah.
• 2:22:09
  Wait, how? Many Is it like population or
• 2:22:10
  like? Country size OK can we Can we
• 2:22:13
  Google that? Philippines because I I think
• 2:22:15
  aren't we like the 4th largest? Because it's like 1000 islands
• 2:22:18
  in. Philippines do it.
• 2:22:19
  So like, you know what I mean? We have more islands.
• 2:22:22
  Cross neighbor. Cross neighbor.
• 2:22:23
  No, no, no, because they put that in a.
• 2:22:24
  National song, it's like 17,000 islands.
• 2:22:27
  I don't know how true that is, but 1617 thousand, I don't know
• 2:22:31
  how that is 17,000 like rock in the middle of the ocean.
• 2:22:34
  I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 2:22:36
  yeah. It counts.
• 2:22:37
  It counts. Yeah, the Philippines.
• 2:22:40
  AI overview again? Sir the Philippines officially
• 2:22:42
  has 7641 islands. That's rookie numbers bro.
• 2:22:47
  Wait how many islands have y'all got?
• 2:22:48
  17,000 bro I swear Asia it's definitely you know what this
• 2:22:56
  is? It might be just government.
• 2:22:59
  OK, OK, OK. I don't.
• 2:23:00
  Know how many islands? How many islands?
• 2:23:03
  What we what we're fed is 17. 1000 in Indonesia.
• 2:23:06
  I'm not going to. Like say that.
• 2:23:07
  Bro, you're right. Holy.
• 2:23:09
  Crap 17,000 islands. That's the Philippines rookie.
• 2:23:14
  Numbers, bro. Whoa, no shape.
• 2:23:16
  The Philippines very. Yeah, but 17,000 islands.
• 2:23:19
  Is insane. It is.
• 2:23:21
  Wait. So are there islands?
• 2:23:22
  In Indonesia where like, it's just a remote bunch of people
• 2:23:25
  living there and just are there undiscovered tribes in in
• 2:23:28
  Indonesia? Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure
• 2:23:30
  there. Are we, I don't know how under
• 2:23:32
  oral appendix? From here I'm not sure.
• 2:23:36
  Actually. Man, do you get to look at that?
• 2:23:37
  Graham Hancock shit they're talking about, you know, at
• 2:23:41
  first like iteration of civilization.
• 2:23:43
  I know human civilization, like like like a human evolution.
• 2:23:46
  Like when I'm Bendix here, it's like pick me, humans pick me.
• 2:23:50
  I don't, I don't. No, no, not.
• 2:23:51
  Pick me, I say. Like pick me girls like like I'm
• 2:23:54
  not like other girls, but no, no, no, I'm not like other guys.
• 2:23:56
  I'm not like the. I'm not like the.
• 2:23:58
  I'm not like. The other homo.
• 2:24:01
  Sapiens. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:24:03
  So like this and then you. Guys have a guru Padang.
• 2:24:06
  Yeah. So that's the one.
• 2:24:07
  That I've heard where they're like, I think, you know, they've
• 2:24:09
  found some sort of like early humans here, but I don't know,
• 2:24:12
  like, how big that goes. But yeah, Guru Padang is said to
• 2:24:15
  be a. Pyramid.
• 2:24:20
  No. OK.
• 2:24:23
  Some. Crazy ass conspiracy, right?
• 2:24:25
  Right, right. Unfortunately, that.
• 2:24:27
  That goes a little too close to like there's like there's a
• 2:24:29
  whole bunch of like conspiracy theorists.
• 2:24:31
  The conspiracy theory crowd here is so big, bro, you love
• 2:24:34
  conspiracy theories. I.
• 2:24:35
  Love it. Maybe that is some form of like
• 2:24:37
  you. Know like like old civilization,
• 2:24:39
  there's like a temple or something, right?
• 2:24:41
  But there's. Also like.
• 2:24:42
  There's a huge crowd for it here, bro, where there's like
• 2:24:44
  Illuminati this, Illuminati that.
• 2:24:47
  OK, OK, OK. So like.
• 2:24:48
  OK, so there's also a big. They kind of like, I don't know
• 2:24:51
  if this is like for real or not. Yeah, but like a like a real
• 2:24:55
  kind of like urban myth that, oh, you know, did you know that
• 2:24:59
  actually Hitler escaped to in Java?
• 2:25:03
  Yeah, bro, I. Believe, I believe that he
• 2:25:07
  escapes. Sorry, I just like I believe.
• 2:25:09
  That he definitely. Escaped to, to somewhere.
• 2:25:13
  Like, I don't know if he killed himself, but like that, No.
• 2:25:15
  OK, you know what? It's a conspiracy theory.
• 2:25:17
  I know. But there is a conspiracy.
• 2:25:19
  There is a series on, on I don't know where, but like, it's about
• 2:25:23
  Hitler escaping to Argentina. Argentina.
• 2:25:26
  Yeah, yeah. Pretty wild.
• 2:25:28
  Pretty fucking wild. Yeah, it's the process, like a
• 2:25:30
  lot of Nazis. In Argentina, so I don't
• 2:25:31
  there's. A lot of Nazis.
• 2:25:32
  It's pretty. It's pretty fucking.
• 2:25:33
  Wild. So it's like, so it's like
• 2:25:34
  anytime. Someone like on IT or whatever.
• 2:25:37
  It's like the German flag, ex Argentina like talking about
• 2:25:41
  their heritage. Everyone's kind of like I know
• 2:25:45
  where. Your grandfather.
• 2:25:46
  From no way. OK, so.
• 2:25:48
  Yeah. So, so like since there's so
• 2:25:52
  many islands, are there like tribes that are like you guys
• 2:25:54
  heard of Sentinel Island? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Santini.
• 2:25:57
  I live where North Santini. I live where like the the
• 2:25:59
  nobody, nobody goes near there. Yeah, yeah, You know that dude
• 2:26:02
  that was trying to yeah, that one guy participate that.
• 2:26:03
  One guy got a spear. Through his heart God rise his
• 2:26:06
  soul. Oh, you fuck around, you found
• 2:26:07
  out. Yeah, you fuck around.
• 2:26:08
  You found out so. Is there like?
• 2:26:10
  A tribe in Indonesia where you guys are like yo we we don't
• 2:26:14
  like they're they're not contacted I.
• 2:26:18
  I can't say for sure. I can't speak to that.
• 2:26:20
  Specifically, yeah, OK. I wouldn't.
• 2:26:22
  Yeah, I wouldn't. Be surprised if there.
• 2:26:23
  Were though, OK, because there's yeah, like for example, like I
• 2:26:27
  think like, you know, like Papua, for example, a lot of it
• 2:26:29
  is still very, very much like unexplored.
• 2:26:31
  So I think there are, yeah, there's, there's probably like a
• 2:26:34
  lot of like tribes who live in like the real, like the
• 2:26:36
  Highlands, the Highlands, Papua. Mountains where it is very, very
• 2:26:39
  difficult. To cross there, yeah, I think
• 2:26:40
  there there are still some tribes there who are like, you
• 2:26:42
  know, but what about the island other.
• 2:26:44
  Islands that are not in that region.
• 2:26:46
  Like you're on the wrong podcast.
• 2:26:50
  Right. Right, right, right, right,
• 2:26:54
  right. Right information, educate we
• 2:26:56
  already. Got flamed by the Malaysians
• 2:26:59
  but. Like, I reckon that must be
• 2:27:00
  really interesting because, like you, language must be so diverse
• 2:27:04
  here. Yeah, right.
• 2:27:06
  Yeah. Several. 1000.
• 2:27:07
  You guys ever get on? You guys ever?
• 2:27:09
  Get on your algorithm and somebody you're on suddenly on,
• 2:27:11
  you're on Java. Talk.
• 2:27:13
  You know talk. I don't know what that got me.
• 2:27:17
  But yeah, go. Ahead, I don't know what.
• 2:27:19
  You know what I'm saying, right? You know what I'm?
• 2:27:21
  Saying right, you get on Java talk, yeah, and then it's all
• 2:27:23
  just Java. Sometimes yeah.
• 2:27:26
  Content. Creators I love.
• 2:27:27
  It, bro. Yeah, come on.
• 2:27:29
  Cuz I grew up there. I have a lot of friends from
• 2:27:32
  that, but I'm famously on like Sunda.
• 2:27:35
  They talk, it's like. Damn those people.
• 2:27:37
  Funny and they'll be just speaking like Sunnis being like,
• 2:27:39
  I, I, I only understand half of what they're saying, but it's
• 2:27:42
  funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:27:43
  It's like, it's like. Sometimes I like.
• 2:27:45
  The algorithm kind of skirts me towards Valley talk and I and.
• 2:27:49
  Like look my my. Bounties is is like a really
• 2:27:51
  shitty like my bounties sucks. I can I'm a passive kind of like
• 2:27:56
  I understand what they're saying and it's just like it's the
• 2:27:58
  funniest thing. It's like when I my people for a
• 2:28:02
  little bit, I saw this kid in in.
• 2:28:04
  Bali talk like I, I, I got on Bali talk, but I know it's Bali
• 2:28:07
  real. I forgot the name of the kid,
• 2:28:09
  but the the kid was like, yo man, we're chilling in
• 2:28:11
  California. I'm like, wow, They were like,
• 2:28:13
  I'm like Bali, California. I didn't even know that that
• 2:28:16
  that's the that's the thing. You know, California, it's not
• 2:28:19
  the most accurate because we don't, you know, we don't
• 2:28:23
  produce or like earn any movies money out of outside of tourism,
• 2:28:29
  but I'll take it. So so like I like like when I
• 2:28:32
  get on. Java talk and sometimes you see
• 2:28:33
  like they have this like Kabul parties, like parties inside the
• 2:28:35
  village and stuff like that. Bro, that shit look lit bro.
• 2:28:38
  They know how to party. Bro they look lit they.
• 2:28:41
  Like that, you know, like probably like.
• 2:28:43
  Like, like Javanese, Yeah. I don't even know what that
• 2:28:45
  dance is, but like, yo, yeah, yeah.
• 2:28:48
  Like the the big thing now. That I'm seeing is also a lot of
• 2:28:52
  hip hop and rap in traditional or like, you know, native
• 2:28:57
  languages, whether that's Japanese or Sudanese or even
• 2:29:00
  Balanese. Yeah, they're like their flow is
• 2:29:02
  crazy and they're. And they're like.
• 2:29:04
  And they're rapping in their native language.
• 2:29:06
  Yeah. And that's huge now.
• 2:29:07
  Like, yeah, the kids growing up with such a mixed kind of
• 2:29:11
  influence. I love it.
• 2:29:11
  I love doing that. And that's like their.
• 2:29:14
  That's their doorway to kind of like listen to actual hip hop,
• 2:29:18
  you know, and I always say actual hip hop, like the like
• 2:29:21
  hip hop away originated from the English English.
• 2:29:23
  I mean, they probably, they probably took.
• 2:29:25
  A lot of cues from yeah, you know, like classic hip hop, you
• 2:29:29
  know, because the flow is very, Yeah, you could say it's kind of
• 2:29:32
  more like a, you know, drill or trap.
• 2:29:35
  Do you feel like that's growing right now?
• 2:29:36
  In in this part of I feel like there's.
• 2:29:38
  Yeah, it's growing for sure. Like, like the there's an
• 2:29:41
  audience for it and there's an audience for hip hop and that
• 2:29:44
  style of hip hop which didn't exist prior to, I guess, the
• 2:29:48
  recent decade. Yeah, I think.
• 2:29:51
  Yeah, like the SoundCloud culture, like sound route crap
• 2:29:55
  rap culture used to be like very cringe in like the 2000 tens,
• 2:29:57
  right? But now it's like the thing,
• 2:29:59
  right. So I think a lot of it's
• 2:30:00
  borrowing from there. The other thing that was I think
• 2:30:02
  they're also like merging a lot of like the local sound there as
• 2:30:07
  well. So not just like the flow, yes,
• 2:30:09
  but also like, you know, like the traditional instruments like
• 2:30:12
  additional. Instruments maybe like the?
• 2:30:14
  Download stuff like yeah, the download stuff, Yeah, yeah,
• 2:30:16
  download the stuff or like from the.
• 2:30:18
  Philippines, where it's like like Buddha's music where where
• 2:30:21
  there's like the alarms in the black, Like dude, it's very.
• 2:30:24
  Popular like there's like. I'm on I'm on Horak TikTok.
• 2:30:29
  If you know who Horak TikTok is. So Horak is what they call just
• 2:30:31
  like where the sound system is like the size of a house.
• 2:30:34
  And so they're, they come from a very specific area in like Jawa
• 2:30:38
  Timur and like he's Joe, the guy that's pushing that.
• 2:30:41
  Shit is like. Like he's on like 10 minutes of
• 2:30:44
  sleep, you know, like he's just three days awake and like he's
• 2:30:48
  just, yeah. Also his production.
• 2:30:50
  Is amazing. He's like blasting music.
• 2:30:53
  Like, I know, I know that, I know that I've seen that.
• 2:30:54
  But what is that about? Can you tell me more about that?
• 2:30:56
  Yeah. So I think a lot of that comes.
• 2:30:57
  From like the the type of music that it's called and I think a
• 2:31:02
  lot of that comes from the culture of people who would be
• 2:31:04
  like they would play this at weddings, right?
• 2:31:07
  That's why the it's like, you know, it's why the speakers it's
• 2:31:09
  like 6 speakers stacked high, right?
• 2:31:11
  Really shitty AMS, really shitty cables and the.
• 2:31:15
  Bass. Is blown to hell.
• 2:31:17
  Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, but it's like it's.
• 2:31:19
  Like the whole. Village coming together, the
• 2:31:20
  party and the kids are coming to party.
• 2:31:22
  So it's like it's in. So I guess it's very I guess if
• 2:31:25
  you were like into the rap scene, like you, I can compare
• 2:31:27
  it kind of like how the like the reggae sound system culture,
• 2:31:31
  right? OK.
• 2:31:32
  Where it's just like it's a bunch of kids with shitty ABS.
• 2:31:34
  They come together and then somehow that becomes the sound,
• 2:31:37
  right. I have to.
• 2:31:37
  I have to say though, yeah. A lot of people, people,
• 2:31:41
  especially people who are like, like trying to sleep in those
• 2:31:45
  places, Yeah, a lot of them are are, are complaining about that.
• 2:31:50
  But all like yeah but. I've seen.
• 2:31:52
  I I've arrived in that, that TikTok once in a while, but
• 2:31:56
  like, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
• 2:31:57
  Yeah. That's also a big thing.
• 2:31:59
  Yeah. I think that you guys
• 2:32:00
  popularized coffee race before coffee race was the coffee race.
• 2:32:03
  Like, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:32:05
  Yeah, yes, I just. Found out about I.
• 2:32:07
  Just found out about your N word.
• 2:32:08
  You guys have an N word too here?
• 2:32:10
  No rule I feel like. We can say that one.
• 2:32:15
  Yeah, no rule. You can say that with a.
• 2:32:17
  Hard R too. No rule with a hard R.
• 2:32:20
  Yeah, I suppose. I'm, I'm, I'm trying to be like,
• 2:32:23
  what is the, the, the cultural context?
• 2:32:26
  But like, go ahead. When I when I when I think yeah,
• 2:32:28
  yeah, yeah. But I think it's the.
• 2:32:29
  Same as I am when only a noodle can call another noodle.
• 2:32:33
  Yeah, I I don't think it's. As offensive here, like, yeah,
• 2:32:37
  yeah. There there are the worst things
• 2:32:40
  you can. Call.
• 2:32:41
  There are definitely there. Are definitely worse things to
• 2:32:43
  call people. Yeah.
• 2:32:45
  Oh my God. So I heard like, like, you know,
• 2:32:47
  like. A lot of noodles will go.
• 2:32:49
  I mean, I don't know if it's rock Tree or not, but like a
• 2:32:51
  lot, a lot, a lot. There was a time where like, it
• 2:32:55
  was coffee raved. So you guys were like, they were
• 2:32:56
  high on, on, on caffeine and just like, you know what I mean?
• 2:33:00
  Just party. Just crazy.
• 2:33:02
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Papi raves.
• 2:33:05
  I wonder where we got that from. Feel.
• 2:33:08
  Like it's now it's. Just a bunch of pickleball
• 2:33:10
  players. You know what I mean?
• 2:33:10
  I just it's paddle paddle's the big.
• 2:33:13
  Thing here, paddle's the big paddle thing is.
• 2:33:15
  Yeah. You're right now.
• 2:33:17
  You're in Joxel, you're in South Jakarta.
• 2:33:20
  You throw a rock, you hit like 3 puddle places.
• 2:33:22
  Wow. Yeah, this is Jakarta Slata.
• 2:33:25
  Jaxel. Yes, Jaxel.
• 2:33:27
  Yeah, I'm sorry, baby. The reputation that Jaxel has.
• 2:33:30
  Yeah, it's like a party place, right?
• 2:33:31
  Yeah. It's where people like us
• 2:33:33
  reside. Weirdos.
• 2:33:36
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:33:38
  Like, you know, it's kind of like the hip.
• 2:33:41
  Cultural right happening. People would call snobbish.
• 2:33:44
  Even some snobbish It's got a OK, it's.
• 2:33:47
  Got a real like Brooklyn vibe to it, but none of the none of like
• 2:33:51
  the real working class grit. It's just mostly just like a lot
• 2:33:53
  of people being cosplaying kids cosplaying is.
• 2:33:56
  Cultural. So it's happening, yeah, OK.
• 2:33:59
  And. That's where you get the
• 2:34:00
  stereotype. Of like a Joxel English where
• 2:34:03
  it's like people who would say, who would speak kinda like it's
• 2:34:06
  English, but it's like, you know, mixed in Indonesian and
• 2:34:10
  American English specifically, right, yeah, right, right.
• 2:34:13
  Obviously. And our audience.
• 2:34:15
  All right, all right. You know we.
• 2:34:20
  Have. Kind.
• 2:34:21
  Of like a limit on that camera because the last time we
• 2:34:24
  recorded an episode around 2 hour 40 something, the camera
• 2:34:28
  died. That's understandable.
• 2:34:30
  But we actually still have. That's understandable.
• 2:34:33
  It's it's cool, man. We've.
• 2:34:34
  Got like 2 1/2 hours it is and like we could talk for a lot.
• 2:34:38
  More I feel like because it's just like really, it's been
• 2:34:40
  really fun. Thanks man.
• 2:34:41
  Thanks man, I hope. You are having fun too.
• 2:34:44
  I am having. Fun I I would love to.
• 2:34:45
  Come back next time, actually. And, and you know, like in new
• 2:34:49
  time. I, I hope you guys keep on doing
• 2:34:50
  this, man. Yeah, yeah, I'll, I'll give a
• 2:34:52
  good word to some of my friends who you guys want to call if you
• 2:34:56
  ever wanna calm down. I think they have a great time.
• 2:34:58
  Yeah, I can promise you anybody. But I'll put it a good way.
• 2:35:01
  I'll put it a good way. We'd love to have you back for
• 2:35:03
  like a. Retrospective or something?
• 2:35:05
  This future by then, maybe. Your new special be out that
• 2:35:08
  way. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:35:09
  Talk about it, yeah. You know, 100% a hundred.
• 2:35:12
  Percent, 100% I'll do like. I won't do like a like a Sean.
• 2:35:14
  Evans hot ones thing where like this camera but only that camera
• 2:35:17
  yeah tell us what you got going on in your life you know this is
• 2:35:21
  where you plug whatever this got going right OK so depending.
• 2:35:24
  On when this, when this is gonna be out?
• 2:35:25
  When when you guys think this is gonna be out?
• 2:35:27
  He's the editor with probably. Anywhere from like?
• 2:35:30
  2. Weeks to a month from now, yeah.
• 2:35:31
  Two to four weeks is usually the oh, word.
• 2:35:33
  OK. Well, in that case, then check
• 2:35:38
  out the OK. So how about we're trying to
• 2:35:43
  gauge like one month from now? Yeah.
• 2:35:44
  So the Australian tours out, we've got Perth, Brisbane,
• 2:35:47
  Sydney and also Melbourne. So check those tickets out.
• 2:35:51
  Everything is on my on my Instagram page and also on my
• 2:35:54
  website, fuzzyrushi.com. And yeah, other than that,
• 2:35:59
  hopefully I've announced a special at that point, you know,
• 2:36:02
  and you know, check out the special that's going to be on
• 2:36:04
  YouTube. The special is called.
• 2:36:05
  That's why. That's why, that's why.
• 2:36:08
  So that's yeah, it's it's, I'm very proud that I put it
• 2:36:12
  together for a very long time. And yeah, hope you guys see it.
• 2:36:16
  And that's it. That's all that's going on.
• 2:36:17
  And I'm expanding more in Indonesia and I'm going to be
• 2:36:21
  coming here. I'm yes, starting here.
• 2:36:22
  I'm going to come back. Your debut.
• 2:36:24
  Yes, Sir. I'm going to show.
• 2:36:25
  You guys a lot of a lot of love and I hope you guys, yeah, come
• 2:36:29
  through, man. Let's hang out, you know, let's
• 2:36:31
  see what, what, what can happen. And I'm very, very interested to
• 2:36:35
  do that anytime you have a show. Us up and we'll plug it in the
• 2:36:38
  story our good friend and former podcast guest yeah but if you
• 2:36:44
  ever do any like lifestyle. Who also just love.
• 2:36:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, 100%. 100% I'll let you
• 2:36:49
  guys. Know that.
• 2:36:50
  Yeah, yeah. Thank you.
• 2:36:51
  Thank you so much for having me, man.
• 2:36:52
  Thank you for coming on this. Like pingy ass podcast.
• 2:36:58
  Did you hear? That they say this place is
• 2:37:00
  dingy, this place is. Dingy, we gotta.
• 2:37:03
  Stop. We gotta.
• 2:37:04
  Stop. We gotta stop telling you crazy.
• 2:37:07
  Bro that's crazy. This is Jackson, baby.
• 2:37:11
  This is Jackson. Baby, we can see the swimming.
• 2:37:14
  Pool. Swimming pool.
• 2:37:15
  I just did this. Is Jackson baby?
• 2:37:18
  It's just JXL baby. We're making a thing.
• 2:37:22
  We're making a thing. This is.
• 2:37:23
  The Jackson sign bro JXL. You don't know that real shit,
• 2:37:25
  bro. Yes.
• 2:37:26
  What? No, it's true.
• 2:37:28
  I can't do that. It's offensive.
• 2:37:30
  I can't do shit. Fucking woke mobs again.
• 2:37:35
  I know the woke mobs. I couldn't.
• 2:37:37
  Even do the day so sad comedies. That am I appropriating?
• 2:37:43
  Anyway. They have all my dies but like
• 2:37:44
  thank. You.
• 2:37:45
  So much for coming over to the podcast and hope only for the
• 2:37:50
  best for your next specialist and also all your live shows.
• 2:37:52
  All right, thank you, man. I'll see you.
• 2:37:54
  Guys there, all right, see you shout out.