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The Monster of Mirimachi - Allan Legere · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty nine, a monster was let loose on
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  Speaker 1: the eastern side of Canada. His name was Alan Lagree,
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  Speaker 1: and he caused mayhem, panic and death in his wake.
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  Speaker 1: You see, Alan escaped from prison and was on the
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  Speaker 1: run from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, but for months
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  Speaker 1: he evaded them, leaving the citizens of the mere Michi
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  Speaker 1: area to wonder if they would be his next victim.
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  Speaker 1: This is the story of the Miramichi Monster. My name's
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  Speaker 1: Ben and.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim, a
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  Speaker 2: true crime podcast. Warning.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcasts and material intended for a mature audience
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  Speaker 1: listener discretion. He's eyes. We are live on video too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're recording both audio and video form of this podcast now,
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  Speaker 1: all within our tiny home.
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  Speaker 2: This feels really fancy.
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  Speaker 1: It feels weird that I don't know people are gonna
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  Speaker 1: be like watching with their eyes now.
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  Speaker 2: I know, because I'm almost kind of wondering if I'm
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  Speaker 2: sitting proper or doing like I'm going to be doing
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  Speaker 2: something weird. For sure, I'm the show.
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  Speaker 1: I know for sure, I don't sit proper and it's
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  Speaker 1: because of the spot in our tiny home, because we're
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  Speaker 1: on our counter, and if you guys are watching the video,
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  Speaker 1: like right here, there's no leg room for me to
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  Speaker 1: bump ump against, so my one knee is jammed into
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  Speaker 1: the counter, so I typically am hunched a pit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't quite realize it was that bad
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  Speaker 2: until you got me to.
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  Speaker 1: Test to sit there for the camera.
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  Speaker 2: There so you could like focus on me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I totally gave you the good side
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  Speaker 1: of the count.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: We got to thank our patrons though, before we really
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  Speaker 1: start just yammering about a bunch of stuff. So over
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  Speaker 1: on Patreon we have some behind the scenes content. We
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  Speaker 1: have an extra episode at the end of the month,
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  Speaker 1: and we had three people sign up this week, so
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  Speaker 1: So thank you very much, you guys. We appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: That's freaking awesome. It is so awesome.
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  Speaker 1: But this is going to be a heavy case. Well
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  Speaker 1: not heavy, well, it's heavy there. There's there's murder, there's
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they aren't they all exactly, but this is
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  Speaker 1: a in depth case.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, the last one was pretty in depth though too.
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  Speaker 2: It these heavy cases.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently, I am. I don't know what's wrong with me lately,
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  Speaker 1: but I just really want to do these deep dives apparently.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm trying to avoid doing two parties for you guys,
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  Speaker 1: because we recently did a couple and we're.
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  Speaker 2: Just like, what is it called descending it?
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  Speaker 1: We're just a full send old fuck yeah, bud. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So let's dive into this because it's a gooder.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta because I'm an old man. I got
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  Speaker 1: to increase my font size so I can actually read
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  Speaker 1: my script properly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, remember we've talked with this before. You still have
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  Speaker 2: yet to go get glasses.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need glasses yet. Okay, maybe one day. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I can just increase my font size. What's the problem
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  Speaker 1: with that.
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  Speaker 2: That's the reason it's there.
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  Speaker 1: I guess heh exactly right. Who needs glasses? Anyways, let's
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  Speaker 1: get going on this. So the Miramichi River is in
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  Speaker 1: New Brunswick in Canada. It's a beautiful place that's nestled
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  Speaker 1: within the picturesque landscape and it's a haven for fishermen
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  Speaker 1: and nature enthusiasts. Where community thrives along the river bank
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  Speaker 1: now here, the small community has a very nice spirit
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  Speaker 1: with camaraderie that thrives within it because it's like small
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  Speaker 1: town things that we've talked about before, right, Locals are
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  Speaker 1: friendly with another, Conversations flow effortlessly among the residents, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just basically an all around tight knit community. I
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  Speaker 1: do love that those kind of areas are awesome. I
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  Speaker 1: love that too. Now it's a simpler time. In nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty nine, innocence like permeated the area. Children rode their
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  Speaker 1: bikes along the river's edge, they hopped onto ferries on
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  Speaker 1: their own traverse across the waters. Oh wow. Yeah, keys
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  Speaker 1: were left in vehicle ignitions, car doors were left unlocked,
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  Speaker 1: and house stores were left unlocked. It was basically just
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  Speaker 1: a sanctuary of tranquility sort of things. So like the
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  Speaker 1: fact that we're sitting here saying it sounds like great area,
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  Speaker 1: it was's that's the sum of it, not unrecognizable from
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  Speaker 1: other stories we've talked about. But there is, of course
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  Speaker 1: an incident that broke all that. A single spoiled or
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  Speaker 1: bad apple if you will. Yeah, so it was on
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  Speaker 1: a fateful night of June twenty first in nineteen eighty six.
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  Speaker 1: John Glending was a sixty six year old man who
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  Speaker 1: lived in the mire Meachi area with his wife, Mary,
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  Speaker 1: who was sixty four. Now. Together the two own and
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  Speaker 1: ran a local convenience store in the Black Ridge area.
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  Speaker 1: They were just closing up shop for the night and
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  Speaker 1: heading into their residence, which was nestled right beside the store,
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  Speaker 1: like the same sort of building situation. So as they
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  Speaker 1: locked up, the lights suddenly went out. It was black inside.
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  Speaker 1: Darkness engulfed the entire store. They couldn't see a single thing,
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  Speaker 1: and before they could really react, three masked intruders burst in,
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  Speaker 1: demanding the couple surrender all of their money. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: mean this is a convenience store, right, so they're looking
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  Speaker 1: after the money in the till yep. Despite John's compliance
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  Speaker 1: and disclosure of the safe's location, it proved insufficient for
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  Speaker 1: the ruthless trio.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy.
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  Speaker 1: The three men began beating the defenseless couple in a
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  Speaker 1: barutal onslaught, leaving them battered and broken. Mary, in her vulnerability,
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  Speaker 1: was ultimately raped as well.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit, Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So they did not hold back whatsoever, not only were
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  Speaker 1: they assaulting them in a physical beating manner, but there
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  Speaker 1: was a sexual assault.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, and they're in their sixties. That is
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  Speaker 2: just devastating.
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  Speaker 1: No, one should never have to go through that.
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  Speaker 2: Poot yea, no matter what age.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like thinking, you're much more vulnerably.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's like grandparents, and like they are almost probably
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  Speaker 2: retiring or thinking about it, and.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly so. Now. The assailants then callously abandoned the
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  Speaker 1: now severely battered and unconscious couple at this point, leaving
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  Speaker 1: them for dead. So they expected that's exactly what's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: They're done right. However, miraculously, Mary, though beaten into unconsciousness,
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  Speaker 1: managed to claw her way back into a sliver of
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  Speaker 1: life and she regained her consciousness.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Her determination to survive led her to crawl to their home,
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  Speaker 1: which was like kind of like beside above, like I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure the exact layout if the store wasfically below
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  Speaker 1: and it's above or combination. Regardless, she crawled to their home,
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  Speaker 1: where she managed to pick up a phone and call
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  Speaker 1: for help.
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  Speaker 2: Jeez, that's freaking incredible, isn't it so good?
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  Speaker 1: On her? She's a total badass. Now, within minutes, the
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  Speaker 1: whale of sirens could be heard of the arrival with
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  Speaker 1: emergency services. While they managed to save Mary, the cruel
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  Speaker 1: reality remained John had already lost his life.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I was thinking that might have happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Now, some eyewitnesses were able
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  Speaker 1: to help the authorities. The sight of three men hauling
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  Speaker 1: a safe and the suspicious amount of money down the
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  Speaker 1: road wasn't exactly going to go under the radar very easy.
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  Speaker 1: So people were able to give a description of the
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  Speaker 1: three men, and eventually they were apprehended. So the trio
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  Speaker 1: in question consisted of a thirty eight year old man
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  Speaker 1: by the name of Alan the Gree, who was a
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  Speaker 1: seasoned figure with a fearsome reputation in the area, and
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  Speaker 1: he had two younger accomplices who were in their late teens,
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  Speaker 1: Todd mat Chet and Scott Curtis. Though known to the
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  Speaker 1: local authorities as petty criminals, they never really crossed the
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  Speaker 1: line into murder until.
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  Speaker 2: Now, until that night, until yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the subsequent arrest and trial six months later
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  Speaker 1: unveiled that Alan Lagree as the apparent ringleader due to
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  Speaker 1: his age and experience led the other two boys. Police
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  Speaker 1: were already well aware of who he was, and even
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  Speaker 1: within the criminal world, Allan himself had a reputation that
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  Speaker 1: inspired alleged fear, so his violent tendencies left to mark,
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  Speaker 1: establishing him as someone you don't want to mess with.
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  Speaker 1: So he's not exactly the best kind of individual.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I already just like, don't like this person whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he reveled the fact that people recoiled
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  Speaker 1: from him or were fearful of him as well, probably
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  Speaker 1: which you'll get a sense of that the farther along
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  Speaker 1: we go into this case as well.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he strived for, eh.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just let that hang out there and just say that.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not going to confirm nor deny. You'll see, Okay. Now,
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  Speaker 1: following their conviction for the murder of John, Allan and
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  Speaker 1: his Cohurts faced the consequences of a life sentence, which fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Good go behind bars mean you deserve that you took
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  Speaker 1: someone's life, right So now, Alan in particular attempted to appeal,
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  Speaker 1: but was unsuccessful. The judicial system deemed prison to be
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  Speaker 1: a fitting place for someone of Alan's caliber. Absolutely couldn't
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  Speaker 1: agree more so within the confines of the Atlantic Institution
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  Speaker 1: maximum Security Penitentiary and Renouse, Alan found himself confined to
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  Speaker 1: the segregation unit. Surprisingly, he turned himself into from the
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  Speaker 1: terrifying individual that he was known to be into someone
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  Speaker 1: that was rather unexpected a model prisoner. Okay, yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: turned himself into quite the model prisoner. Yes, sir, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: ma'am sort of thing while he was behind bars.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what I was expecting you to say.
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  Speaker 1: No, you expect that he was going to just.
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  Speaker 2: Be an asshole in there and like try to rule
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  Speaker 2: the rust sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't have been surprised, but what
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  Speaker 1: is surprising is he did the exact opposite. Now, some
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  Speaker 1: guards actually even started to warm up to him a bit,
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  Speaker 1: but Warden Don Wheaton, who was in charge of the unit,
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  Speaker 1: had some reservations about it. Apparently he perceived Alan as
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  Speaker 1: a man with a jackal and hide personality to quote him. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so he's good and then he's also got this dark
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  Speaker 1: side sort of thing. Yeah, it depends on really, like
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  Speaker 1: if he likes you or not. I guess you could say,
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  Speaker 1: is really how his behavior is going to come out?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm almost wondering too if he has ulterior motives
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  Speaker 2: of sorts.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean we kind of already gave that away
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  Speaker 1: in the intro a little bit, but we're going to
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  Speaker 1: keep moving on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I guess so. Well, I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: how can someone do something so bad and then just
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden be, you know, good in a
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  Speaker 2: different situation. But still there. I just stn't buy it
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  Speaker 2: fair enough. I would have probably come to that conclusion anyway.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, that's fair. So it seemed that in the
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  Speaker 1: controlled environment of the prison, Alan seemed to have recognized
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  Speaker 1: that good behavior translated to better treatment from the guards,
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  Speaker 1: whether he used it against their will or for his
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  Speaker 1: own benefit. Well, we'll talk about that here just well
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  Speaker 1: right now, so now, well not quite actually just now,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll get there. So now, though, at thirty eight
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  Speaker 1: years old, with a life sentence ahead, Alan found himself
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  Speaker 1: behind prison walls, and here is where he basically contemplated.
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  Speaker 1: Now allan is, of course, if you can't tell the
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  Speaker 1: focus of the story. So before we go any further,
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  Speaker 1: let's dive into the history of who he is a
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  Speaker 1: bit more, and then we'll dive into what we were
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  Speaker 1: just talking about.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: He was born on the ominous Friday, the thirteenth of
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  Speaker 1: February in nineteen forty eight, in the gritty neighborhood of
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  Speaker 1: Chatham Head along the banks of the Mermachi River. Alan
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  Speaker 1: Mgree was unfortunately born into a world of poverty. Alan's mother, Louise,
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  Speaker 1: faced the challenges of single parenthood from a very early age.
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  Speaker 1: By the time she was pregnant with Alan, she was
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  Speaker 1: already a mother of three now. In order to help
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  Speaker 1: supplement her already small income, Louise rented out rooms in
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  Speaker 1: their family home, inadvertently crossing paths with Alan's father, one
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  Speaker 1: of her renters, and that's how Alan came to be Okay, So, however,
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  Speaker 1: this was just sort of a fling in the man
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  Speaker 1: left Louise as a single mother, now of four in
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  Speaker 1: her neighborhood known for its hardships. Alan's mother continued to
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  Speaker 1: rent out rooms in their home and as such, the
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  Speaker 1: family was subject to a lot of people moving in
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  Speaker 1: and out, you know, coming in for rent leaving, whatever
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  Speaker 1: the case. Be a lot of traffic. Now, this meant,
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  Speaker 1: in order to make room for renters, Alan had to
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  Speaker 1: share a room with his sisters, which led Alan to
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  Speaker 1: being subject to the female form for probably the first time,
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  Speaker 1: as he could watch his sister's undress when he was young,
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  Speaker 1: and eventually he had even begun to masturbate as he watched.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, it's really.
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  Speaker 1: Awkward, Yes, very much so. But something as such could
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  Speaker 1: attribute to two persons personality and how they develop into
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  Speaker 1: an adult, which we talk about that a lot in
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  Speaker 1: the podcast on individuals' upbringings, what they went through. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily this in particular, but this sort of trauma
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  Speaker 1: in I don't know how to say it properly or nicely,
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  Speaker 1: this sort of upbringing. Yeah, that it is very traumatic.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I see what you mean. Also, but gosh,
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  Speaker 2: that just seems like I don't know. Sometimes I feel
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  Speaker 2: like people can also be potentially born a bad apple
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  Speaker 2: as well. That's true, because that just I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But at a young age, it's hard to tell from
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  Speaker 2: right from wrong, and if you don't have anyone to
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  Speaker 2: tell you otherwise. Yeah, so, and I don't think Alan
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  Speaker 2: really had anyone to tell him otherwise. Not that I'
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  Speaker 2: vouching for him, don't get me wrong. I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 2: playing the devil's advocate here. That's true, and he was.
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of living a little bit of a different upbringing,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, in school, Alan was seen as a bright mind
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  Speaker 1: with a very promising future, but that was only half
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  Speaker 1: of the opinions. Other teachers and peers were not so
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  Speaker 1: certain of Alan. Had some reservations about him and his
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  Speaker 1: true nature, very reminiscent of talking about the Wharton and
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  Speaker 1: the Jacqueline Hyde sort of behavior.
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  Speaker 2: Welly, my frickin' reservations about him as well.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he is the focus of a true crime podcast,
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  Speaker 1: so I can't blame me on that. But when Alan
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  Speaker 1: was fifteen years old, tragedy would strike and his brother
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  Speaker 1: was fatally run over while walking across a local bridge.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of finding solace and support from his creeving mother,
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  Speaker 1: she often told Alan that it should have been him
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  Speaker 1: who died instead. Holy shit. Yeah, that's brutal. Yeah, not
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  Speaker 1: something you go ahead and tell your fifteen year old son.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean to a have to deal with that alone,
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  Speaker 2: but then to also have your mom say something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Who yeah wow?
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  Speaker 1: So I mean yeah, just all around not good.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously he wasn't a favorite of hers.
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  Speaker 1: No, clearly not. And Alan was struggling with an impoversed
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  Speaker 1: life by now and now with his grieving mother who
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  Speaker 1: is constantly but rating him regarding his brother's death, Alan
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  Speaker 1: made a very pivotal decision at the age of sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: He dropped out of school and left home. Now he
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  Speaker 1: was on his own, he adopted a drifter's lifestyle and
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  Speaker 1: began engaging in minor crimes around the mir Machi area.
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  Speaker 1: Alan also began to frequent the gym daily, transforming his
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  Speaker 1: once scrawny young frame into a very large, muscular and
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  Speaker 1: imposing figure. The change in his body now matched the
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  Speaker 1: signs of his attitude and solidified his reputation as an
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  Speaker 1: intimidating person in the community on the streets.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so he had a goal. That was his goal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Alan was mostly known for, as I already mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: kind of petty crimes, primarily involving breaking into homes pilfering
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  Speaker 1: items of little material value. However, it was the unsettling
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  Speaker 1: manner in which he executed those break ins that gave
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  Speaker 1: his reputation or gave him sorry, his reputation and left
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  Speaker 1: the community on edge. See victims would wake up to
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  Speaker 1: the side of Alan standing at the foot of their beds,
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  Speaker 1: silently watching them.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh.
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  Speaker 1: If they didn't wake up, however, he would place items
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  Speaker 1: on the bed so when they woke up, the person
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  Speaker 1: would know that someone was there while they were sleeping.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, that is just too much. Yeah, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: way too much. So he's that's just the creepiest shit
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  Speaker 2: in the world.
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  Speaker 1: He's purposefully instilling the spear.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: One particular disturbing incident involved cutting off the underwear from
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  Speaker 1: a sleeping female minister. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I wish I could sleep that. Well, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's really inappropriate and I'm sorry, but like that's.
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  Speaker 1: Actually that's a deep sleep.
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  Speaker 2: That's a solid sleep, right, that is, But that's also
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  Speaker 2: very disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: That's no. So the crimes dominated the front page of
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  Speaker 1: the local newspaper, which in turn only fed Allan's appetite
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  Speaker 1: for more notoriety and reveling in the fear he instilled
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  Speaker 1: in others. He did serve some brief stints in prison
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  Speaker 1: for theft, but eventually he's found his way to Ottawa,
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  Speaker 1: where he began to turn his life around a bit.
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  Speaker 1: He worked as a car salesman, got married, and became
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  Speaker 1: a father of two. However, he didn't remain very faithful
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  Speaker 1: in the marriage and it ended up in divorce. Alan
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  Speaker 1: would return to the life of petty crimes, breaking in
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: and robbing places, you know, the life he once knew,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: but this time he was responsible for murder, which brings
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: us to now.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Gosh, it makes it so much worse to knowing that
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: he's a father.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Gosh, yeah, I can't imagine anyone wanting their father being
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: responsible for some of those sort of things.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like you have two people who are looking
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: up to you because you're in that that what would
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: be the word that authority, figure of sorts, right, and
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: that's how you're acting.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Gosh, yeah, it's not a good good look for any father.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: But no, Alan, though, did not intend to stay here
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: in prison and serve his life sentence that he was
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: delivered with. Though, as he sat thinking, he devised a
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: plan and he started secretly collecting his own urine, which
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: he would pour into his ear. Okay, this sounds gross,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: but I have to hand it to Alan, this is
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: relatively ingenious. As disturbing, and as much as I don't
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: like this, dude, it's pretty smart.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Well I'm curious of what they would do, but okay.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: He knew this would eventually induce an ear infection, and
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: an infection, specifically, an infection would nesitate necessity nesitate. I
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: can't say the word would require a trip to the hospital.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: To change the word necessitate. That's what I was trying
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: to say. It would necessitate a trip to the hospital.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Really. See, I'm actually surprised by that because I always
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: thought urine was kind of sterile. But also I guess
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: it's just creating like a moist environment for your ear. Yeah,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: it can't be good.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Foreign body moist. It's yeah, oh gosh, potentially doing damage
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: because the ammonia. Who knows? Oh, okay, right?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Interesting. So.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: On May third, nineteen eighty nine, three years into his incarceration,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Alan Lagree was escorted from the Atlantic Institution to Georgia
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: L Dunmont Regional Hospital by two guards. However, Alan had
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: meticulously prepared for this very moment. Concealed in a cigarette
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: was a lock pick that would provide a crucial tool
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: in executing his escape. In the back of the police
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: cruiser en route to the hospital, Alan managed to unlock
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: his handcuffs and shackles, but left them still on, appearing
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: as if they were still secured. Once he was moved
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: inside the hospital, he continued to be his model prisoner self.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Remember he's been a model prisoner for the past three years,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: which he used to his advantage. While one guard was
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: occupied signing him in at the reception area, Alan persuaded
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the other guard to allow him to use the restroom.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: They've always been able to trust Alan, why.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Not now, like well, I mean, he's kind of in
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a different environment. I don't think they should totally have trust.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Understandable, understandable, But this was granted without a second thought.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: The guard stood outside the bathroom door as Alan was
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: now alone inside. He then removed his handcuffs and shackles
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: and retrieved a concealed TV antenna from a body cavity. Okay,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: then Alan called out to the officer asking for toilet paper,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: so he opened the door and immediately he saw the
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: shackles in the garbage can, and in that instant Alan
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: attacked him.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Oh man.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: He used the antenna as an improvised weapon, and then
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: he got past the guard and made his escape outside
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the hospital. Despite the guard's attempts to apprehend him, Alan
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: was successful and he was now standing out in the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: hospital parking lot.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Huh. I mean he's not stupid.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: He's he's he's got some wits to him. Oh, give
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: him that. Like I said, it was very ingenious to
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: start pouring his own piss into his ear. I'll give
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: him that. Gross, yes, but hey, it worked well.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess he's also had a lot of
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: time on his hands to think this stuff through too, right.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling he was in that cell thinking
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: over this plan since day one.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean, after three years, anyone should probably
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: have a pretty good plan if they've thought it threw
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: for that long.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would hope so. But he's now in the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: parking lot. And here he encountered a woman by the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: name of Peggy Olive who was an outpatient, and she
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: was in her car about to drive away from the hospital.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: With the antenna sharpened, he pressed it against her neck.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Scared and feeling the sense of pure evil, as so
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: she claims, she pleaded to be let go, but Alan
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: did not oblige. Instead, he forced her to drive, and
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: so she did. Peggy noted that Alan's demeanor kept switching
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: as she sped off from being polite to almost charming
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to angry and terrifying, which to me almost points towards
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: a true psychopath. She felt as though as she was
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: confined inside the car with a ticking time bomb, unsure
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of when his temperament would shift again. Then all of
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: a sudden, Alan ordered the car to stop and he
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: forced Peggy to get out onto the side of the road.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Wasting no time, she happily jumped out, and then he
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: drove away.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. That's probably the best way that could
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: have ended.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Definitely for her, definitely, because I mean it's just a car,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: it's just a possession. Can be replaced. But she got
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: away uninjured. I mean, she might have a little bit
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: of trauma PTSD or something like that, but she is
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: physically okay. But before he drove away, this this is
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: really weird. He bizarrely assured her that he wouldn't damage
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: her car. Yeah, He's like, your car will be fine,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: don't worry. Wow, I won't I won't damage anything.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that's probably not what she was worried about.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: It that moment. I don't think so either. But her
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: car was later found abandoned on the outskirt of Monkton,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and staying true to his promise the car remained unharmed.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Oh man, that gives see mixed emotions, but I still
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I'm still on a fan.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: It plays right into that Jackal and Hyde thing. Yeah, right,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Is he good? Is he bad? Is he's charming? He's evil?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: There's these two flip sides to whoever Alan agree is.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: So now the authorities were immediately on a manhunt to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: find and track down Alan. This dude just escaped a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: life sentence and he had already I mean, he killed
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: before and now he's already hijacked a car. Though thankfully
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: he hasn't heard anyone yet, he's still considered dangerous. Helicopters, roeblocks,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: and trained dogs were sent out in search of him,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: but it seemed like he had just vanished. They suspected
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that he had fled to a large city like Montreal
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: or Halifax to avoid being recognized and was now in hiding.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: But a few days later there seemed to be an
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: upsurge in reports of a prowler in the northern area
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: along the banks of the Miramachi River. Authority suspected that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Alan was stealthily stalking the region under the cover of night.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so he did stay no, huh, I wonder
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: where he was hiding then, probably just in the bush,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Soon residents began finding that someone had broken into their home.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Food and various random items were missing, and things were
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: being left out of place, but the means of entry
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: was always unclear. Then one night, a woman alone with
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: her children while her husband was working night shift, saw
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a man try to break into her home, and the man,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: realizing that he had been seen, ran off, And as
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: he ran off, apparently he had smashed a window on
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: his way by just kind of like as a flipping
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the bird, like screw you. Yeah. Yeah, So the town
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: was not just suspicious that the intruder was Allen, they
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: were now terrified that he had returned to wreak havoc
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and vengeance on the town that he despised, the one
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that had him arrested and incarcerated.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was going to say too, a lot
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of them, the houses and stuff, they might have been
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: easy to get into, because you kind of had chatted
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: at one point that people didn't necessarily lock their doors
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: or whatever, right, Yeah, so I feel like it might
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: not have been super hard.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I do imagine that now that there's break ins and
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: stuff happening in this individual and the loose. I think
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: people would start locking their doors.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but maybe not so much at the beginning.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: No, definitely. Yeah, there's always a turning point, and whether
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: this occurred, where this occurred along that turning point is
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: a big factor. You're right now. Four days after Alan's escape,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a man fell victim to a brutal attack, being beaten,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: tied up, and robbed by a masked intruder. Though the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: victim's wallet and car were later found, the assailant did
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: get away. Three weeks later, another resident, Joe Irving, fell
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: prey to a burglary where one hundred dollars worth of
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: meat from his freezer and duffelbank were stolen. In close
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: proximity to Joe's house stood Flamm's Grocery Store, a local
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: landmark run by Annie Flamm for the past fifty years. Annie,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: effectually known as Everybody's grandmother, was a beloved figure in
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the community.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: You good, Yeah, I'm just worried about this, okay.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The grocery store was open seven days a week.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: She lived this grocery store. This was what she did.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: It was not only a business hub for friendly chats
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: with customers. Annie's sister in law, Nina Flamm, lived in
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the second apartment upstairs from the store. On May twenty ninth,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, Annie locked up the store at eleven pm,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: heading into the hallway with connecting doors to the store.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Her townhouse and Nina's townhouse laid waiting. Just before four am,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a passerby observed smoke emanating from the Flam's Grocery store.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Harry Preston rushed to the scene, pounded on the door,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and a passing police car noticed the flames alerted the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: fire department. Upon arriving, officers broke down the back door
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and discovered a badly injured Nina Flam at the bottom
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: of the stairs, partially clothed and barely conscious. Officer Dan
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Pew wrapped his jacket around her and urgently called for
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: an ambulance. Nina was rushed to the hospital. Firefighters battled
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the blaze at the Flams Grocery store, desperately searching for Annie.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: After gaining control over the fire, they discovered Annie's charred
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: body on her bed, where only the springs and bed
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: frame remained.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Dang and sorry, Annie wasn't the one that owned it, right,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Nina was.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Uh sorry, Annie was the one that owned it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Oh? Annie owned it? Oh okay, well not like that
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: it matters which one, but still geez.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, no, Nina was her sister in law.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Oh, that is devastating for the community. And
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: you think that this guy would have known them too, right,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: you know, very good chance. Huh.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Now that petit Annie would stand only about five feet
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: tall and was tragically burnt, of course, beyond recognition. Yet
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the injuries sustained by both Annie and Nina went beyond
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the effects of the fire. Signs of severe beatings were
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: also present. The fire also seemed strategically set, as most
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: likely a means of to conceal evidence. Nina Flamm thankfully
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: managed to fight for her life and live to recount
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the grim details of that fateful Sunday night. And it
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: occurred as such, around nine thirty pm. She had gone upstairs,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: made some coffee and had a snack. I just want
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: to point out nine to thirty pm as really late
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: for a coffee.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was decay.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: It might have been.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: It might because that went through my mind too. But
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: some people affects them, it doesn't affect them.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: It doesn't affect me very much. I'm not judging. It's
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: just surprising. Yeah, yeah, But anyways, Annie joined her at
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: approximately ten thirty pm and they engaged in conversation before
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Annie went back to the shop to walk up to
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the night. She then went to bed around or eleven pm,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: settled in with a book for a read. Her daughter
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: had just called and she as she got into bed,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and then she they had a brief conversation together. She
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: hung up, and then Nina continued reading before she fell asleep.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Later that night, as Nina slept with her back to
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the bedroom door, she was startled awake by the sound
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: of footsteps on the stairs. It was then that a
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: masked man entered, covered her mouth and uttered the words quote,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: don't make a noise and I won't hurt you.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Oh boy.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: He then began tying Nina's feet and hands together and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: covered her eyes with a pillow. The man identified himself
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: as Gerald and began to search Nina's house for valuables.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Throughout this unsettling ordeal, he circled back to her, engaging
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: in conversation, talking about how he'd drank some whiskey, and
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: then he questioned Nina about her employment at the liquor store.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: He also inquired about her daughter, who had visited over
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the weekend and departed that morning for Halifax. He also
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: mentioned seeing her daughter with her high school boyfriend in
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Chatham during the weekend. This Gerald clearly knew Nina and
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: her family, or at least had some familiarity with him.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yep, I kind of already said that, didn't I?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: You did, yeah. He then, holding a knife up to Nina,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: began demanding to know where she stored the cash from
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the grocery store. In response, Nina truthfully disclosed that there
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: was no money in the house except for sixty dollars
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: in her purse. But this didn't make man very happy,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and he began beating Nina in the face. He asked again,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: where is the money, but Nina just didn't know. She
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: said that Annie typically deposited the money in the bank
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: during the week, but being that this was a Sunday,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the banks were closed and the money from the day
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: must be somewhere okay. The tension in the room escalated
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: as Nina continued to get beaten for a question she
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: just could not answer. Finally, the man said, if you
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: don't tell me, where the money is? I will rape you,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: but she could only tell him of the sixty dollars
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: in her purse. So the man followed through with his
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: threat and raped Nina. As he did, he yelled at her,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: almost taking out anger and venting as doing so, saying, quote,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you rich people, you think you have everything your way.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: During this horrific act, he also asked her about her husband, Bernie.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: He also called her by her name, missus Bernie, also
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: again showing personal knowledge. Afterwards, the man still demanded to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: know where the money was, but she told him the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: same thing as before, She just doesn't know. The man
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: was furious, so he raped her again.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, where is her husband?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Then? I'm not too sure?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, gosh yeah.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: When the man was finished, he bizarrely tucked Nina into bed,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: hugh cutting the ties around her hands, then began choking her.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: In a desperate bid for survival, Nina pretended to die.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: She pretended to be unconscious, which thankfully worked. The man
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: then set the mattress ablaze with the now so he
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: thought to seized woman aboard, and the fire took over
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the house. As he left. As flames rapidly spread, Nina
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: managed to untie her feet and descend the stairs. Her
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: memory is foggy on this part, but she remembers persisting
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: pounding coming from the door and a police officer wrapping
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: a jacket around her. She ended up being hospitalized from
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: May to September that year, with forty percent of her
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: body suffering third degree burns. The assailant had subjected any
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: flamm to a similar routine, evident from the injuries and
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: position on the bed. Nina, while talking to police, was
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: able to provide a very crucial detail from the assault.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: The attacker had worn a chain around his waist, one
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that to police sounded like a prisoner's waist chain, something
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that is very challenging to remove without the appropriate tools.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, I would have thought by that point though,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: he would have had that removed.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: One would think, But apparently not.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, I have just a couple of things to say.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, what are the couple of things you got?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: First of all, I think I thought, at first, oh,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: my goodness, like, it's weird that Nina was able to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: get away, but Annie was deceased. But then you said
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that he did the same thing, which is just horrifying. Yeah,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: And then I hate that statement where he's like, you
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: rich people, Like, what a fucking asshole? Yeah, because they
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: work really hard to get to where they are and
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: their money years.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: That grocery store, Yeah, seven days a week it was open.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: So it's like maybe they had and it doesn't come
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: across like they're super well off or whatever, like they
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: just seem like they're people that are like working pretty hard.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: And yeah, that is that just like, I mean, the
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: whole thing just infuriates me. Gosh, what a piece a
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: piece of what shit, A big old piece of shit, Like,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I really am not enjoying this.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Dude, we're gonna be putting these on YouTube. You can't
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: be swearing so much. And I'm just.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Kidding, well, it's hard not to.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: We're still gonna be us.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: When we're talking about someone like this dude. I can't
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: even remember what the hell his name is at this point,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: which is fine by me, but ugh.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Ugh indeed, I mean, of course they were almost certain
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: that Allan is the perpetrator, yet maintaining an open mind,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: they acknowledge the possibility of other suspects, recognizing the need
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: for a very thorough investigation. Okay, so props to the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: RCMP for not just tunnel vision, and they're doing their
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: job properly. Props to them on.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: That, absolutely.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Now, there was actually some jail breaks that had actually
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: struck the area recently, some other ones aside from Allan,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: two brothers, David and John, had escaped prison just a
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: week prior to the crime, which was approximately one hundred
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and sixty five kilometers south of Chatham, So that's where
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: they escaped that far away. But both the brothers along
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: with Alan, all of them were prime suspects. Now, they
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: weren't just narrowing it down to Alan. They're like, Okay,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: there's other possibilities.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of happy that doesn't happen anymore. Well, I
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: mean it's sure does it occasionally, But that's a lot
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: of jail breaks, Yeah, in a pretty small period of time.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that they really needed to have
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: looked at what's going on with the jail breaks and
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: why there's so many. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: they did, and they've corrected that since now. In the
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: following days, a landscaper discovered a pair of men's glasses
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: with a smoky gray tint near the site of a
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: recent sighting, and a brief pursuit as well. The police
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: determined that the glasses were prescription lenses, and they had
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: actually managed to match a pair of these prescription lenses
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: to a pair prescribed to Alan Lagree during his time
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: in prison.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: They had been like some smoke damage to them.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: No, just like a smoky gray tint oh tinted lenses.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, I see, I see.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: So Meanwhile, forensics were actually also on the hot on
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: a trail of some evidence as well. They managed to
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: uncover a hair that did not belong to either Nina
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: or any flam from the crime scene, and given the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: sexual assault on Nina, they were also able to obtain
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: a DNA sample. However, the DNA science in nineteen eighty
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: nine was in its infancy stages and the necessary testing facilities,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: such as a laboratory in Ottawa were still under construction,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: so testing was currently unable to be done, but they
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: did have the DNA okay now. Despite these limitations, the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: RCMP still collected hair and saliva samples from everyone they
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: interviewed to ensure thoroughness so that if the point does
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: come where they can test DNA, they can cross exams
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and make sure okay, this person isn't dead. This person
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: isn't net Oh, here's a match, you know that sort
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: of thing.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Good for them. They're doing a good job.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: They're doing one hell of a job on this case.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: By the end of June, though, those two brothers who
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: had escaped prisons were now apprehended and subsequently ruled out
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: as suspects as they were found in a hunting camp
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: near Harcourt area in the south of Chatham, and extensive
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: questioning eliminated them as suspects but in both and Annie's assault,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: so they're out of the question. They were still detained
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: face charges for being unlawfully at large, but as July unfolded,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the leads in the investigation began to grow cold, prompting
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: speculation about the possibility that the culprit had moved to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: another location with the passage of time, though this meant
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: some DNA testing labs were achieving completion, and the investigators
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: managed to successfully obtain a comprehensive DNA profile linking both
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: hair and seaman sample to blood found on a knife
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that Allan had wielded during a prison attack. Wow, so
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: they matched the hair and seamen sample to DNA from
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: while Allan was in prison.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Huh okay good.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: This confirmed that Alan Lagree was indeed the perpetrator they
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: had been seeking. In September, Morrissey Dorian, a seventy year
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: old resident, was shot in the back in his home
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: when he encountered an intruder. The following day, an armed
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: assailant invaded another home, assaulting elderly couple Edwin and Evangeline Russell. Friday,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the thirteenth of October nineteen eighty nine, arrived with a
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: full moon. Lindsay Daughtney, a forty one year old resident,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: headed to the local tim Hortons to meet a friend
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: for coffee. How Canadian right?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Linda shared her home with her sister Donna, in a
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: quiet corner of Newcastle. Although they most kept themselves, the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: sisters were well known and well liked in the neighborhood.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: That night, forty five year old Donna stayed home painting
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: her window. A neighbor actually spotted her painting the window
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: still at ten to fifteen pm and waved to Donna
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: and then went to bed. Little did Linda know this
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: that as she returned from her coffee date around eleven pm,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: someone was waiting for her in her side her home.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: She approached her front door, and she was suddenly struck
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: in the head and dragged inside her own home.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Jeez, this guy's pure evil.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah he is. What took place that night mirrored the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: same horrifying torture that Annie and Nina Phlamm endured, and
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: once again, flames soon engulfed the home. This time, however,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: first responders were too late. Linda and Donna Dotney had
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: already fallen victim to a brutal murder. Both sisters were
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: discovered in an upstairs bedroom when signs of sexual assault, beating,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and severe burns were found. The fire was not the
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: cause of their death, though blunt forced trauma and strangulation
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: were determined as a primary factor. Linda with a broken
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: jaw to come to exphyxiation after choking on her own
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: vomit induced by severe pain.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Jeez.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't imagine being in so much pain that
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: you puke and drowned.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, vomit. This guy is just a complete monster.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now you know why he's known as the Monster
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of mere Menji.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so. Holy heck, I just can't believe
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: the just like brutality to his to his attacks and
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: his crimes and everything like, how terrifying to be in
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: that area at that time.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now, authorities hit another interesting piece of information actually
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: though with this part with this case, Linda actually had
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: a past relationship with Alan, Yeah what, which could have
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: potentially been why she was targeted.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: By now though Alan had been able to evade police
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: on the run for a total of six months. Wow,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and it was beginning to arouse suspicions that someone might
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: be helping Allan, perhaps housing him or even aiding in
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: the assaults. This, of course, was just speculation, but it
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: was a very real possibility. The community was now fully
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: paralyzed by fear, and they took extensive precautions. Those living alone,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: particularly elderly citizens, sought refuge with neighbors or family. They
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: acquired firearms and guard dogs, and petition for increase in
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: street lights. Floodlights were consistently being installed to eliminate homes
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: at night in their yard, earning them the Moniker lagree lights.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Police checkpoints manned by black suited members of the RCNP
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Emergency Response Team armed with guns. Large vans and helicopters
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: even became a common sight in the once quaint and
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: quiet community. Just flipped it. Yeah, now, Halloween was approaching normally,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: it was a pretty awesome time of year. I love Halloween.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure many people who listen to our podcasts
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: love Halloween. We do a big event on Halloween here
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: in the podcast. But even still, events were happening in Miramichi.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: You know, there's candy, there's kids, tricer treating, fireworks, decorations,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: haunted houses, socializing a lot, definitely, But this time around
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: with Alan on the LuSE, it felt like everyone was
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: living in a more real life nightmare than a whimsical Halloween.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: The fears that he might actually the fears that he
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: was going to put on a costume and blend into
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the crowds with a very real situation yeah yeah, wearing
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: masks as he's just walking with children, who knows, maybe
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: taking children or doing god knows what. It was horrifying everyone.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And just days before Halloween, on October twenty eighth, two
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: guns were stolen from a truck in Chatham, raising concerns
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: that Lagree had now really armed to himself. The community
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: made the unprecedented decision to cancel Halloween celebrations. Officially, This
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: man fucking canceled Halloween.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: He he's imagine trying to explain that to your kid.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Hey, no kidding. Now, there were some parties that were
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: organized during the daytime for kids and stuff like that,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: but I mean the atmosphere was far from typically.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: They're not like, oh, trick or treating exactly. It was
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: kind of like the main cool thing that all the
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: kids are excited about.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a feeling it would have been like
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: even COVID I don't think would have impact Halloween the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: same as this. Yeah, because I think COVID kids can
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: wrap their mind around, you know, sick, and we can
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: still go out and go to family and friends or
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: whatever and social distance and that sort of thing. But
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: this is just no, you're not leaving the house.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, it's because there's a huge aspect of terror
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: for it as well.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Why can't I go trick or treating mom? Because you
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: might die? Like what are you kidding me? Yeah?
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I mean I wonder how many people would be watching
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: horror movies.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: That night, No kidding now. Police later even received a
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: sighting report and pursued Allan into the woods near a
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: residential area. In the encounter, Allan, who by now was
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: very familiar with the woods around mir Michi, not only
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: from his upbringing, but also from running around in them
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: in the past six months, shot at officers, but luckily
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: no one was injured. On November fifteenth, in the late afternoon,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: around five thirty PM, a local high school student dropped
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: off a letter for Father James Smith. Now, Father Smith
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: was seen eating an early dinner and everything appeared normal. However,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: by nine PM, a member of the congregation observed Father
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Smith on the porch of his house, looking around as
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: if he'd seen something or heard something. This little did
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: anyone know would be the last time anyone would see
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Father Smith alive. The following evening, on November sixteenth, people
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: gathered for the evening mass, expecting Father Smith to lead
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: as usual. However, he was late and he didn't show up.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Concerned by his uncharacteristic tardiness, around seven fifteen, two men
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: volunteered to check in on Father Smith at the rectory
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: next door. What they discovered was a gruesome and horrifying scene.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Father Smith lay dead next to a safe in the hall.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: It was obvious that he had endured a long and
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: brutal attack, and the use of torture was evident. Father
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Smith's jaw was broken and his throat was cut. Both
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: sides of his body had broken ribs, and in a
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: post mortem examination, it was deemed to have been done
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: with such force that the coroner concluded someone must have
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: jumped onto his chest while he was laying on the floor,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: shattering his chest bone and ribs. Wow, jeez, what a
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: piece of shit. Absolute totally.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: The fact that he's just targeting elderly people is just
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: beyond discussion.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's terriori, and not only elderly people, but now
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: he's going after a member of the church like that,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: like people who won't fight back.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: In the aftermath of the assault this time, though, the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: killer didn't torch the house. Instead, he seemed to have
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: stuck around for a little while. He ate at Father
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Smith's house, washed his boots, put plastic bread bags into
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: his boots as well to keep his feet dry, changed clothes,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: and place the bloody ones in another bag. He nonchalantly
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: answered the phone with a dismissive wrong number, then hot
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: wired Father Smith's nineteen eighty four Oldsmobile Delta eighty eight
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and drove away.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yes, just while he's laying there, like passed away.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, Wow, you good.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know that is not okay?
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Well, there was there's a silver lining to everything, and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: though I mean, of course we have someone's who's lost
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: their life, but there was a piece of evidence that
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: was left behind, which is the silver lining here, another
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: piece of evidence that could be tying potentially Alan Lagree
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: to another murder, a bloody footprint on a church magazine.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: So if they can find him, they might be able
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to match his footprint, tying him to the scene.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like at this point they would
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: have just enough to lock him up forever. Right. I mean,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: it's good that they're like gathering more evidence and stuff,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: but it's just I don't know that it just makes
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: me sad.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: No, I agree. Now, Father Smith's carr was quickly discovered
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: at a motel in Bathwurst, approximately fifty five miles or
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: ninety kilometers away. It was parked near train station. Oh
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: The priest jacket and a pair of boots matching the
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: bloody imprints left at the scene were also found.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Police rushed to the nearby train station in hopes that
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: they weren't too late to catch the individual as they
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: were boarding. Now Luckily, the via rail agent confirmed selling
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: a ticket for a trip to Montreal at the eight
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: twenty eight pm train to a man who fit Alan's description. Okay,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the man identified himself as Fernand Svie of Bucci. Police
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: boarded that eight twenty eight train found the man and
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: they asked him to roll up his sleeve on his
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: right forearm because Alan had a very distinctive eagle tattoo
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: on his right forearm. He rolled up the sleeve and
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: there was no tattoo. What the shit, There was no
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: tattoo on the right four.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I for sure thought that that was they were going
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: to get him at this point.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately they didn't have him, and they left the
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: train and the train departed us per usual, Unfortunately, the
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: police made an error. The error lay in the details.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Alan's tattoo was on his left four us.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh, are you kidding me?
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Not the right. If they had this man roll up
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: his other sleeve, they would have found the eagle tattoo
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: because they were talking to Alan lagree, he just slipped
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: through their fingers.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: My gosh, you have to be kidding me. Nope, And
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: this freaking dude just like played a cool yeah and
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: just like rolled up his other sleeve like it was
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: just like whatever.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: They asked him to roll up his right sleeve. So
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: he rolled up his right sleeve.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: That is infuriating to me. Oh, you're gotta be kidding.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: There has to have been other details, but okay, okay,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: wow pissed.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, under the alias for Nan Suvi, Alan had
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: successfully made it to Montreal and checked into the Queen
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Hotel near the train.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Station, laughing his asshole.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Really probably, and he now had money. He had money
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: in his pocket. He had new found freedom. But for
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: some reason it wasn't enough for him, and he felt
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: the need to return to the mir Meachi area.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't know why. Okay, well we might know why,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that in a little bit. On
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: November twenty third, Ron Gomke, a taxi driver in Saint John,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: gave a ride to Alan. Alan told Ron to drive
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: him one hundred and ten miles to Monkton. That was
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: a ways of way, and so he contacted dispatch and
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: he told Alan that the estimate from dispatch was about
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: one hundred dollars for cab fair. In that instant, Ron
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: found himself staring down the barrel of a three h
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: eight hunting rifle. He had little choice but to comply
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: to Alan, as Alan told him, quote, tell them you
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: have the fair I'm the one they're looking for. I'm
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Alan Lagree.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Oh jeez, that's fucking terrifying.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy, he just is like a monster.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and just the fear that he just I don't
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: know well.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: As he drove, Ron actually thought about crashing the car
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: purposely into the ditch.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: M okay.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: But before he could act, and I'm unsure of why,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: a struggle erupted between the two of them in the car.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: This struggle mixed with icy roads and the condition sent
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: the car creaming into the ditch, with Alan keeping Ron
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: as hostage. Determined to continue his journey, Alan now flagged
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: down another car. This one just so happened to be
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: driven by an off duty police officer by the name
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: of Michelle Mercer. Alan quickly took control and ordered Michelle
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: to drive to Moncton. As they neared Sussex, a town
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: between Moncton and Saint John, Michelle told Alan that they
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: were running out of gas. I'm unsure if that was
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: a fib or not. I'm going to just assume that
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: they were running at a gas because I would guess
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: that Alan would check.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm going to assume. But she told them
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: that they were running at a gas and this prompted
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: them to stop at a four corners irving gas station
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: and convenience. Once they stopped, Alan took Michelle's keys and money,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: concealed his gun in a plastic bag, and he alone
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: went inside to pay for gas. However, Alan wasn't aware
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: that Michelle had a spare key with her and she
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: sees the opportunity as Alan was pumping gas. So I
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: believe she probably was at a gas waited for Alan
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: to pump some gas, get them filled, and then she
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: started the car and took off, leaving Alan behind at
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: the gas station, and she fled to the nearest phone
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: to call police. Wow awesome, So good on Michelle for that.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Alan wasn't deterred though. He was on a mission to
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: return to mir Michi, so he quickly hopped into the
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: cab of a truck driven by Brian Golding, which was
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: en route to Montreal from Halifax. He got in the
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: truck and said, quote, come on, I'm Alan Lagree and
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: we are leaving Hugh jeeze.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: You name here, that name would would be known.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Oh probably it's holding weight. Yeah he knows it. Yeah,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: he's loving it.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Ah, he's loving the power he is.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: The fear that he's instilling, the power that his name has.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: He's like, that's me. It's like, you better do as
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I say. He's he's a monster. He's a piece of shit.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: However, it didn't take long for authorities to catch up
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: with Alan in the truck, but still, for thirty minutes,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: a cat and most chase ensued, with Alan demanding Brian
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: keep driving while he's holding him at gunpoint. Eventually, though,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: police finally managed to stop the truck and Brian, seizing
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: the moment, flung open the door and shouted, it's him,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: it's him. He has a gun. Alan didn't put up
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: a fight like expected, though, He simply stepped out of
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the truck and surrendered without a fight.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Huh okay, that's surprising because they seemed like such a
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: mission to get back there, that he had like unfinished
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: business or something.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: But he didn't put up a fight at all, and
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: as he was being arrested, Alan reportedly uttered, I could
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: have done this, I could have done that, Like you
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: know different things. I could have done this, I could
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  Speaker 1: have done that. I'm Alan lagree, Oh.
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  Speaker 2: My gosh, that's not anything to be proud of, no at.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: All, but he certainly was. Oh gosh, it seems like
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: he really got wrapped up in the fear that instilled
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: all the residents of mere Michi. And I think that's
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: exactly why he was returning, because he was something. He
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: was something there, you know what I mean. He liked
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: that when he left, he was just now this other
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: dude that he was under this alias. He's just a
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: nobody again. But he liked being something and.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Someone and kind of bringing that fear to the whole community.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Despite his notoriety, though, the media portrayed him as
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: a weakling, to which Alan reported, if I'm so chicken
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: and dumb, why couldn't over one hundred of Canadian of
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Canada's finest with dogs and swat teams find little old
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Wi They were trying, Ah, And they did. They did fucking.
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  Speaker 2: Find him, Yeah they did.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No matter how he viewed himself, he proved to
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: be a coward at heart. And he looked back at
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: his victims. They were never individuals who were stronger than him. Instead,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: he preyed upon those defenseless against him, ones that wouldn't
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: fight back or couldn't fight back. As Alan awaited trial,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: he found himself confined to the York County Jail. The
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: prison went a good length to ensure that Alan didn't
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: escape again, and at prison guard by the name of
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Paul Wayne Stewart had this to say about the precautions
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  Speaker 1: that they took. Quote, we had him down in segregation
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: in the basement with two cameras in his cell. Two
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: officers sat outside that particular area and monitored the cameras
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: with him twenty four hours a day the whole time
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: he was there.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: They were not letting him get away again.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Hey no, His quote continues to say. The cell door
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: was never opened unless there were two sheriffs, two correctional officers,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: and two to three RCMP officers present. And he was
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: always handcuffed and shackled because the word was if he escaped,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: then don't come to work on Monday, because you won't
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: have a job. Oh boy, Hey yeah, I'm no kidding.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: In August nineteen ninety, Alan was faced with convictions related
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: to his escape. Then a year later, in August of
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, he stood trial on four accounts of murder,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: where there were concerns that a local jury Amir Michi,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: might actually be impartial, so due to this, the trial
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: took place elsewhere, which I mean fair enough, it's supposed
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: to be an impartial jury.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They began with traditional forensic evidence. A footcast of Alan's
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: foot demonstrated that he wore the boots responsible for the
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: imprints on the church rectory magazine bearing father Smith's blood.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Nina flanm bravely testified and recounting the horrifying details of
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: her attack. Although she couldn't definitively identify her assailant, it
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: was evident that he was a local man familiar with
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: her and her family. Her testimony deeply affected the courtroom,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: but Allan remained emotionless.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, because he's a.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Monster, yep. The trial then introduced DNA evidence, which at
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: the time was very groundbreaking. It was a new use
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: of forensic science in Canada and in the courts, so
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: they employed experts to explain the science behind what was
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: commonly referred to as DNA fingerprinting. In this case, DNA
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: from the semen and hair samples at the crime scene
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: matched Allan's DNA. The testing indicated a match that only
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: one in three hundred and ten million of the Caucasian
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: population could share. Now, in nineteen ninety one, Canada's entire
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: population was just over twenty eight million, making the one
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: in three hundred and ten million DNA match statistically compelling.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: The chances of anyone other than Alan being the assailant
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: were virtually non existent.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Huh. Good from them for even because it was a
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: new thing, right, they could have not even bothered to
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: collect or or hold on to all those things. But like,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's super smart and just thinking ahead
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: that they did.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely. And when they were in the court, they
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: played their cards right. They didn't come out swinging with
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: the DNA evidence. They brought everything else that the court
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: is normally used to hearing. First. Here's this normal evidence,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: here's this normal evidence, here's this normal evidence, all these things,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: and now we're finishing it off with the new evidence.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with the big bomb.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Hey, so it's instead of like, here's this new fandangled
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: stuff that people are like, oh, what's this, you're just
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: starting with this. No, you warmed up and you're already saying,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: look at all this evidence. Now on top of all
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: of it, here's some new evidence that is coming out
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: with this DNA fingerprinting.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: So, on November third, nineteen ninety one, the jury delivered
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: guilty verdicts on all four accounts of murder. Alan Lagree
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: received a life sentence with twenty five years without the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: possibility of parole. Addressing the jury, Justice David Dickinson stated quote,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I don't usually comment on verdicts, but let me say this.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Don't lose too much sleep over your verdict addressing the jury.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well, because that's why I was like, I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: think anywhere that he would have had his trial would
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: have probably come out with this outcome.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He is currently housed in the Edmonton Institution and
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Alan faces disdained from fellow inmates who condemn criminals victimizing
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: women or children while behind bars. Though, there was an
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: interesting incident regarding Alan. A retired RCMP officer, Officer Mason Johnson,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: was consulted when Allan had his TV confiscated from him,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: but demanded that it be returned. Officer Johnson had his
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: spider senses go off. They were tangling, and he questioned
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the guards who claimed to have thoroughly searched said TV,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: but Johnson insisted if Alan wanted that TV back, there
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: had to be something hidden inside of it. His spider
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: sense proved correct. Officials re examined the TV and discovered
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: a set of handcuff keys concealed inside. Oh geez, so
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: he was clearly trying it again.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was going to try it again.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: As such, the fear persists that Alan Lagree might one
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: day devise another escape plan, but until then, the residence
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: of mir Michi find solace in the hopes that their Boogieyman,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: their monster, remains securely behind bars.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. So he's like still alive, yes, okay,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: and he's very close to us really.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: And he's one one province over.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Very unsettling. I don't know why, but I just for
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: some reason didn't expect him to be alive anymore.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: No, he still is, but he's rotting away.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's still like those gears are still turning
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: for him to try to, you know, still get out,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: and he's not.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: There's no way. There is absolutely no way he's getting out.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: No. No, And I feel like to, I mean, the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: the law enforcement has only gotten like better with time
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: and have new tactics.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: And same with the prison security and everything. There's not
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: a chance, yeah chance he's locked up.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, jeez, that is a freakin' story.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: That is the Monster of Miramichi and hopefully you guys,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you check this out on video,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: it's going to be posted not the day we drop
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: the audio podcast. It will be dropped a few days after,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: maybe up to a week later. We need time to
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: edit it. Also, one of the cameras stopped working mid
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: podcasts it, so Nicole's angle for about half the podcast
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: is missing, but we will be. We have two other
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: angles going on still, so we have main and one
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: on me.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Of course, there'd be some kinks on the first one.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: You know, there's going to be many kinks to work
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: out as this progresses. But we thank you guys for listening,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: thank you for checking it out. If you are heading
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: over to check it out, we have a YouTube link
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: down below. We actually have two YouTube channels now. We
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: have Wicked Life, which is housing our vlogs, Tiny Home Living,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: just our lifestyle fun stuff, separate from Wicked and Grim.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: But we do have a Wicked and Grim YouTube channel
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: where this will specifically be posted. Both links are down
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: in the description of this podcast.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: But if you look at that one YouTube link right away,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: there'll be nothing on there.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: It will be a couple days later.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Correct, until we have one uploaded yet.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: So I'm shocked that I have not heard of this story.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: It's a Canadian one too.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, whoa, it was wild?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Who wild?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Whoa, It's just wild.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Like how you added that emphasis on the age the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: whole huh.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Good job presenting it as you're used.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I did feel a little like more
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: nervous presenting it. I don't know if you guys could
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: tell you did at first with the cameras on me,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it added this extra layer of pressure.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: It was weird when.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: It's weird, because usually I'm like the weird one on
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: camera on it didn't affect me as much as it
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: affected you. I don't think this time, No, well, i
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: think I've got like, oh sorry, go ahead.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like invested and I want this to work. And
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: it's not like I'm nervous to be in front of it.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, like I'm distracted. Is everything going okay? Like,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: is the camera working? Is the add like how's the angle?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Like those just other things are going on in my head.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's harder presenting too, right I I'm just
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: sitting here, chill and listen to a story.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, blowing your nose every time. We had to to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: like stop for a second.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I came back with a cough cany
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, yeah.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I'm on a podcast.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Probably not, but I'm gonnal pop out of my mouth
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Fair enough? Okay, Well, thank you guys so much for listening,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: and if you're watching this when it's released, thank you
• 1:05:28
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• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: All the links for our podcast are down below. You
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: can check on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, or I guess it's
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: called x now I keep calling it Twitter.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Oh geez right.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, both youtubes we got, we got all the stuff. Website,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: it's there.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: You got a lot of things.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Yea. All the links are down there. If you want
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: to join us on Patreon, you can go ahead and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: check that out. We can get the good old behind
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: the scenes, and they are actually technically getting the very
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: first episode of the video podcast because we do a
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: pre show once AI.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that's gonna be we did that on video.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: We did our appreciow on video, so that'll be going
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: up on Patreon.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know why that didn't hold up me.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: They're technically getting the very first one that was the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: pilot episode.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: So anyways, thank you guys so much for being here.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: We appreciate it, and we'll talk to you later and
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: until then, stay wicked.