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Today’s Popcorn Moment: Rothman - Lathan debate about El-Sayed sympathies · Tony Katz | Popcorn Moment

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  Speaker 1: because there is more. I do have more on this
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  Speaker 1: debate that took place. Michigan, the Republican running for Senate,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Rogers, the Democrat running for Senate, Abdul El-Sayed. And I, again,
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  Speaker 1: will say, I don't think Mike Rogers is a great candidate.
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  Speaker 1: I think it'll be a fine Senator. I'll get the
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  Speaker 1: votes that I need out of him.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I don't know if I consider him a great thinker.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if... I would argue that his presentation
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  Speaker 1: is lacking. Abdul El-Sayed has been exposed as a guy
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  Speaker 1: who supports terrorist supporters.
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  Speaker 2: As a bigot.
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  Speaker 1: And I would question whether he had the best interest
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  Speaker 1: of America at heart.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Tony, that's Islamophobic. No, it's not. I could say
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  Speaker 2: the same thing about Chris Van Hollen.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Could we all put the silliness to bed? The idea that.
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  Speaker 1: You can't say something about a candidate because that candidate is, well,
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  Speaker 1: pick the category, is foolhardy. That's actual bigotry. When you
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  Speaker 1: say you can't say that about so-and-so, actual bigotry.
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  Speaker 2: Abdul El-Sayed is what he is. He's a bad guy.
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  Speaker 2: And I want him to lose. And I think America
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  Speaker 2: is better off if he does lose.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a weird defense going on predicated on this
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  Speaker 1: idea of.
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  Speaker 2: The bigotry.
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  Speaker 1: This idea that somehow game shows are wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: What the heck was that? What did I hit?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to say anything, Carl? We're just going
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  Speaker 2: to notice that horns were blaring? I just know it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't me. Oh, OK.
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  Speaker 1: As long as it wasn't you. The ghost of Fred Heckman,
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  Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. In the debate, there were these constant
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  Speaker 1: back and forth about Israel, which I will argue is
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  Speaker 1: not what I want to see in the totality of
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  Speaker 1: a debate. Michiganders want to hear about what's best for Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: how the senators are going to help, potential senators are
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  Speaker 1: going to help them.
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  Speaker 2: It's not all about Israel.
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  Speaker 1: But when you're Abdul El-Sayed and you have made it
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  Speaker 1: a centerpiece, the bigotry and the hatred, a centerpiece of
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  Speaker 1: your campaign in terms of what you've said and who
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  Speaker 1: supports you and who you campaign with, you've.
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  Speaker 2: Got to expect the questions.
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  Speaker 1: What is hard to expect sometimes is the response from
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  Speaker 1: the media. that wants to continue to buy into this, well,
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  Speaker 1: if you bring this up, it's because you're an Islamophobe.
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  Speaker 1: There's no such thing as an Islamophobe. It's a ridiculous statement.
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  Speaker 1: This was a guy by the name of Van Lathan.
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  Speaker 2: V-A-N.
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  Speaker 1: Not Van Jones, Van Lathan. I don't know Van Lathan
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  Speaker 1: from a hole in the wall.
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  Speaker 2: He used to be at TMZ.
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  Speaker 1: He is a journalist, producer, podcaster, and political commentator. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's who he is. And he's on CNN, that Abby
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  Speaker 1: Phillips show. And Noah Rothman is on the show. We've
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  Speaker 1: had Noah on Tony Katz today numerous times. Huge fan
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  Speaker 1: of Noah's, even when I don't agree with him.
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  Speaker 2: And they are.
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  Speaker 1: Reviewing the debate performance. This is what happened. This, I think,
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  Speaker 1: is even more of the story than the debate itself.
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  Speaker 2: Right now in this election. Just straight up question.
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  Speaker 1: Are either one of you guys suggesting that Abdul El-Sayed
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  Speaker 1: is a terrorist?
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  Speaker 3: No, he's not committed terrorist acts. He's clearly comfortable with
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  Speaker 3: people who do.
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  Speaker 2: I would like him to clearly say I'm not condemning this.
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  Speaker 2: It should be easy.
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  Speaker 3: So are you saying that he is someone who sympathizes
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  Speaker 3: with terrorists, that he is either an intellectual or spiritual terrorist? No,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's either an intellectual or spiritual terrorist.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure what that even means. He does evince
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  Speaker 3: a disturbing level. Are you not disturbed by the level
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  Speaker 3: of comfort that he evinces with people who do set
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  Speaker 3: out to kill Americans, kill Jews, kill civilians? Nope.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not concerned with any of that because all of
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  Speaker 2: that is a lie. All of that is a concoction
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  Speaker 2: by people like yourselves. All due respect. Well, it's a lie.
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  Speaker 1: What you guys seek to do is to play on
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  Speaker 1: the deepest fears that a lot of the American public
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  Speaker 1: has in order to discredit him.
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  Speaker 2: That is not an argument.
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  Speaker 1: It's certainly not intellectual nor spiritual, I would say. You're
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  Speaker 1: saying this about someone who's Muslim, therefore. You're saying this
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  Speaker 1: about someone who's black, therefore. You're saying this about someone
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  Speaker 1: who's gay, therefore. You're saying this about someone who's Jewish. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine. You can talk about those people all you want.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's who they are. That's the left. They
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  Speaker 2: being left.
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  Speaker 1: When I talk about those people, them or they, I
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  Speaker 1: mean the political left. That's the ideology that is so broken.
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  Speaker 2: I can say a lot of things about Noah. Bigot?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: No, Peter Meyer was also on the show. But this
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  Speaker 1: is the defense. You're only saying this because the color
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  Speaker 1: of his skin. Van Lathan refuses to listen to the
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  Speaker 1: words that get used, the defenses that get given, the
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  Speaker 1: company Abdul El-Sayed keeps, the connections via family and friends,
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  Speaker 1: including his own sister, his own actions and statements. The
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  Speaker 1: fact that he said that he had dual citizenship and
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  Speaker 1: then his campaign says, well, he doesn't have dual citizenship
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  Speaker 1: with Egypt. He had just heard that from a family member.
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  Speaker 1: So he repeated it in speeches. He's the Elizabeth Warren
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  Speaker 1: of a new age. This is who he is. And
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  Speaker 1: why should he have to defend himself when for asking
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  Speaker 1: the question, I can just call you a bigot.
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  Speaker 2: That's what Van Lathan is saying. that's an issue and.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you're going to get now this all does
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  Speaker 1: fall into this this category this philosophy of if he
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  Speaker 1: loses what that says if it loses if he loses
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  Speaker 1: how does it does it play out and we already
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  Speaker 1: know that there are these conspiracy theories out there right
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  Speaker 1: that say democrats know they're going to lose then here
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  Speaker 1: will come the riots they'll claim that the election was
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  Speaker 1: stolen by trump it was rigged when of course you're
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  Speaker 1: not allowed to say elections are rigged there'll be a
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  Speaker 1: lot of violence in the streets and democrats will promise
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  Speaker 1: it'll stop if you elect them and it's insane it's
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  Speaker 1: a certifiable statement except it's totally plausible you can see
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  Speaker 1: it that's the horror of it you can see that
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  Speaker 1: happening It is very acceptable to discuss the positions of
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  Speaker 1: Abdul El-Sayed and to disagree. I'm going to discuss later
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  Speaker 1: the positions of Senator John Alsop of Georgia and disagree.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, despicable stuff. I've got it for you.
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  Speaker 1: I disagree with Jim Banks and I disagree with Todd Young,
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  Speaker 1: and I've done both on this show. You couldn't find
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  Speaker 1: two whiter people in America than Jim Banks and Todd Young.
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  Speaker 1: If they weren't senators, they would be J.Crew models.
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  Speaker 2: All right, at this age, JCPenney models. But you get
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  Speaker 2: my point.
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  Speaker 1: The conversation has to be about the subject. And people
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  Speaker 1: who want to deflect from that, saying it's only because
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  Speaker 1: of this, that, and the other, those are people unwilling
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  Speaker 1: to deal with the reality that we are on and
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  Speaker 1: over the target.
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  Speaker 2: Abdul El-Sayed is a bigot, and he supports bigotry. Is
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  Speaker 2: he a terrorist? He has never committed a terrorist act.
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  Speaker 1: Does he seem fine with terrorists being in power?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, Van Lathan. Yes, he does.
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  Speaker 1: You think that's because I'm saying that because he is Muslim?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: The question is, why does he feel this way?
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  Speaker 1: And why is it that I can point to so
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  Speaker 1: many who feel this way who happen to be Muslims?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and non-Muslims.
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  Speaker 1: What has happened to our society that we cannot make
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  Speaker 1: the most simplistic of arguments?
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  Speaker 2: Terrorism bad. That doesn't mean that the other guy is
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  Speaker 2: the greatest.
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  Speaker 1: It means that the terrorism is bad and those who
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  Speaker 1: support terrorists are wrong and they have to lose. And
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  Speaker 1: I hope Michiganders know that Abdul El-Sayed has to lose.
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  Speaker 1: The election is three weeks away.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be watching.