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Episode Two Hundred Eighty · The Death Of Journalism

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode two hundred and eighty of the Death
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  Speaker 1: of Journalism podcast. My name is John Zigler. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host on today's show. We'll review the good, the bad,
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  Speaker 1: and the ugly from the Super Bowl. The Epstein stupidity
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  Speaker 1: seemingly has more lives than Freddy Krueger. The story of
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  Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie's missing mom gets even more bizarre. We'll compare
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  Speaker 1: President Trump and Ron DeSantis on AI, and we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Winter Olympics and how the nineteen eighty Winter
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  Speaker 1: Games had a profound impact on America and my life.
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  Speaker 1: We begin this episode of the podcast with a review
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  Speaker 1: of the last semi cultural event in America that somewhat
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  Speaker 1: at least used to unifies well over one hundred Americans
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  Speaker 1: to do the same thing at the same time, and
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  Speaker 1: that is to watch a football game. And I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to break this down pretty simplistically with regard to what
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  Speaker 1: was good, what was bad, and what was ugly. Here's
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  Speaker 1: the good part, at least from the perspective of this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I made a prediction for this Super Bowl. I said
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  Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks would beat the New England Patriots by
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  Speaker 1: the score of twenty seven to thirteen. If you listened
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  Speaker 1: to the last episode of the podcast, hopefully you remember
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  Speaker 1: that the final score was Seahawks twenty nine Patriots thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt anyone in America got closer to the correct
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  Speaker 1: winning score that I did. You know how many people
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  Speaker 1: recognize that, or remembered that, or mentioned it to me zero.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a betting person ever since I lost a
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  Speaker 1: boat lot of money in college betting on sports, which
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  Speaker 1: was probably a lessing in disguise. It's one of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons why I'm so against gambling being ubiquitous and being
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  Speaker 1: completely destigmatized in our society. But that's another story for
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  Speaker 1: another day. The reason I mentioned the prediction, other than
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  Speaker 1: it's funny that my prediction happened to come very close
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  Speaker 1: to being exactly accurate, is that when you're a public person,
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  Speaker 1: at least in my experience, and you make predictions in anything,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's politics or culture, entertainment or sports. And I
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  Speaker 1: make a lot of predictions online and on this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: the risk reward ratio is basically non existent because you
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  Speaker 1: get no nothing. I'm looking for praise. I just find
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  Speaker 1: this interesting in the way people react to content. If
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  Speaker 1: someone nails a prediction like, for instance, I get a
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  Speaker 1: lot of flak for having been technically wrong twice out
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  Speaker 1: of three times when it came to Trump presidential elections. However,
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty I nailed the electoral College vote exactly
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  Speaker 1: exactly the margin that Biden would defeat Trump by in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty. And I actually think, even though I was
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  Speaker 1: wrong about the winner that you know twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: I was actually pretty good. I picked fifty of fifty
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  Speaker 1: three contests that were on the ballot, and the three
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  Speaker 1: that I missed were all by less than two points.
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  Speaker 1: I mean so, and I get ridiculed for that all
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  Speaker 1: the time. I get it. I mean that your public person,
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  Speaker 1: you put you on your big boy pants. But had
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  Speaker 1: I said that the Patriots were gonna romp in this game,
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  Speaker 1: I would have been destroyed by people. People just loved it.
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  Speaker 1: Just seems like people love attacking public predictions that are wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and they do so with far more vigor than anybody
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  Speaker 1: ever does. Hey, Zick, great call on the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, it's the second straight year I've made
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  Speaker 1: a very good call on the super Bowl. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna stop patting myself in the back here so I
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  Speaker 1: did find that to be funny, interesting, enlightening, but not
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  Speaker 1: that surprising based upon my experience when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: public reactions to predictions more importantly than my prediction coming
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  Speaker 1: true from a football perspective, and yes, the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: is still somewhat of a football game, barely, but it's
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  Speaker 1: still somewhat of a football game. The best team won,
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  Speaker 1: and I always find that to be important that the game,
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  Speaker 1: the sport itself was validated and that's no longer a
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  Speaker 1: FATA complete. We talk all the time on this podcast
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  Speaker 1: about how the sport of football is in grave jeopardy,
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  Speaker 1: that it may not exist really in anything close to
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  Speaker 1: what it has been in a very short period of time.
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  Speaker 1: It's barely hanging in there, but based upon the last
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  Speaker 1: two Super Bowls, it is hanging in there. Where defense
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  Speaker 1: effectively ended up dominating the game in different ways. But
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  Speaker 1: this particular game, it was obvious that Seattle completely dominated
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots defensively, and that was rewarded. So it was
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  Speaker 1: still theoretically possible to play good defense and to win
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  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl and the best team and the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: were exposed as a team that had played a ridiculously
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  Speaker 1: easy schedule and had gotten unbelievably lucky in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: which is why I made the prediction that I did.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't really fully explain the thinking behind me taking
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  Speaker 1: the Seahawks by a couple of touchdowns, but it was
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  Speaker 1: mainly because I just did not buy into the Patriots,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that was validated. And as far as
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  Speaker 1: stories surrounding the actual football game, I find it amazing
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  Speaker 1: that Sam Darnold is not getting nearly the attention. Now,
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  Speaker 1: granted he's getting a lot of attention, he's not getting
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  Speaker 1: nearly the attention that his story deserves. He's the winning
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  Speaker 1: quarterback for the Seahawks, a guy who was highly touted
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  Speaker 1: out of college, was a disaster at a couple different places,
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  Speaker 1: bounced around. I think he played with four different teams
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  Speaker 1: before finally ending up with the Seahawks, and he ends
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  Speaker 1: up leading them to a Super Bowl championship. And the
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  Speaker 1: guy's backstory is kind of interesting. Every woman I told
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  Speaker 1: this to at our Super Bowl party at my in
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  Speaker 1: law has found this fascinating because they had not heard
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  Speaker 1: about it. So you probably haven't heard it either. But
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  Speaker 1: Sam Donald's grandfather was the Marlboro Man, the model in
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  Speaker 1: the very iconic if you're of a certain age, cigarette ad,
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  Speaker 1: the Cowboy, the Marlboro Man. But it wasn't just that
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  Speaker 1: he was the Marlboro Man. He was a actor in
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  Speaker 1: a major television series about Los Angeles firefighting, and then
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  Speaker 1: he became a Los Angeles firefighter. He was an Olympic
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  Speaker 1: volleyball player, was in the Olympics. I mean, this guy
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  Speaker 1: was a stud. And the Sam Donald story is remarkable,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, partially because of the fragmented world we
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  Speaker 1: live in and partially because of our short attention spans,
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  Speaker 1: and frankly, I think because he's a bit of a ginger.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's an anti ginger bias. I you don't
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  Speaker 1: hear about that very much, but that's the best I
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  Speaker 1: can figure out, is that his red beard just doesn't
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  Speaker 1: resonate with the public. I don't get it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand it. But the Sam Darnold story is amazing, and
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  Speaker 1: I was happy that he ended up achieving what he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to and that the Seahawks, the best team, won
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Now we go from the good to
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  Speaker 1: what I considered at least the time to be the bad.
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  Speaker 1: Although I'm open to the possibility that in the long run,
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  Speaker 1: this may not be bad. We're in very choppy waters
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  Speaker 1: on this. What I'm referring to is that the commercials
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  Speaker 1: during the broadcast for the Super Bowl were ridiculously AI dominated, ridiculously.
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  Speaker 1: I did not think a lot about it beforehand, but
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  Speaker 1: I was not prepared for just how much AI was
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  Speaker 1: going to dictate almost every single commercial. And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: just talking about the fact that it was AI companies
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  Speaker 1: that purchased many of the ads, which were like seven
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  Speaker 1: eight million dollars for thirty seconds, which is just utterly insane.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the world we now live in, especially when
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  Speaker 1: there's early only one event where you can buy a
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  Speaker 1: television commercial where you're gonna get well over one hundred
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  Speaker 1: million people watching the event at the same time. But
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  Speaker 1: it was not just that the AI companies were buying
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  Speaker 1: much of the commercial space. It's that almost every single
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  Speaker 1: commercial there was basically two philosophies, it seemed like to
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  Speaker 1: me with regard to commercials this year. One was to
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  Speaker 1: be extremely, almost absurdly minimalistic, as to kind of separate yourself.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, if you have a Super Bowl ad,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's expecting massive fireworks and a huge production and you
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  Speaker 1: kind of go in the opposite direction and people might
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  Speaker 1: actually pay more attention because wow, there's really nothing much
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  Speaker 1: to this ad, but it's a very simple message. And
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  Speaker 1: then the other philosophy which seemed to win the day,
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  Speaker 1: which was we're just gonna do everything in AI, because
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  Speaker 1: AI is by far the cheapest and most of maybe
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  Speaker 1: I mean from a visual perspective, most effective way of
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  Speaker 1: doing something that captures your attention, at least in theory,
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  Speaker 1: because you're able to do things that you can't do
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  Speaker 1: using normal modes of production. And to me, almost every
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  Speaker 1: commercial had a bit of AI. Sometimes you're not sure
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  Speaker 1: that CGI or AI, but that it was not real,
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  Speaker 1: that the vast majority of the commercials were not based
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  Speaker 1: in reality. And I would had an interesting reaction to
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  Speaker 1: this because one I was a bit taken aback I
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  Speaker 1: hadn't really thought about it. I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: is this the new world we're living in? Is this
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  Speaker 1: is the super Bowl? Kind of like the great reset
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  Speaker 1: for not just commercials, but a whole lot of other things,
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  Speaker 1: because remember, the super Bowl is such a unique literally
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  Speaker 1: unique event and has such great power that it has
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  Speaker 1: the ability to set precedence that almost no other situation
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  Speaker 1: in American culture, at least not in twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 1: can do. And so the society can become desensitized almost
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  Speaker 1: literally overnight because of the size of the audience. And
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  Speaker 1: I found myself becoming desensitized during the game because like
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  Speaker 1: halfway through, I'm like, all right, that may had no
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  Speaker 1: impact on me whatsoever, because I know it's fake. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always very wary of the fact that, all right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm very sensitive to this issue. I think
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  Speaker 1: about it a lot. I'm probably not the average American
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  Speaker 1: on this topic because I don't really think that most
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  Speaker 1: Americans have given this whole topic of AI nearly much
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  Speaker 1: as much attention as it deserves. And the media really
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  Speaker 1: hasn't done a very good job of talking about how
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  Speaker 1: significant this all is. And when it comes to commercials,
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  Speaker 1: they're obviously inherently conflicted because that's where they get their
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  Speaker 1: money or a lot of their money, and their business
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  Speaker 1: model is broken. So there's certainly not going to be
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  Speaker 1: attacking commercials in AI. And I mean, then, to be
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  Speaker 1: clear and to be fair, there were some exceptions, like,
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  Speaker 1: for instance that I don't know if you call this
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  Speaker 1: AI or CGI, but Benson Boone and Ben Stiller did
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  Speaker 1: a commercial where they were they were basically rock stars
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  Speaker 1: on a stage and ben Stiller was being upstaged by
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  Speaker 1: Benson Boone and he tried to do a spectacular move
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  Speaker 1: to keep up with him and it ended catastrophically in
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  Speaker 1: a way that you could only do using either eight
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  Speaker 1: AI or CGI or some combination. And I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was funny. But other than that, I hated all the
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  Speaker 1: AI commercials. I hated what it said about our society
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  Speaker 1: where we're going, and it really it had a major
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  Speaker 1: impact on my perception of the game. I view AI
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  Speaker 1: as being inherently hollow. I mean, there's literally nothing to it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not real, and it's dystopian and it's desensitizing. And
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's because the game itself wasn't that good. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's because I'm becoming jaded about the NFL. But I
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  Speaker 1: felt less, for lack of better term emotion about that
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  Speaker 1: football game than any other Super Bowl I can ever remember.
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  Speaker 1: Now there are probably other super Bowls that I that
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  Speaker 1: didn't do anything for me, And maybe it was because
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  Speaker 1: of the people I was watching it with, who knows,
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  Speaker 1: but I felt nothing. I felt completely hollow and I
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  Speaker 1: think part of the reason for that was these AI commercials,
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  Speaker 1: And at first I thought, all right, this is we're
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  Speaker 1: in dangerous territory. Here is this is a precedent setting situation.
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  Speaker 1: We're in a brave new world now. The Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: has been used to desensitize the entire culture to this
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  Speaker 1: new reality. That's why I use the great Reset metaphor
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  Speaker 1: that was used so often during the COVID panic, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe there's still something to that. But this morning, our
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  Speaker 1: executive producer, Mike Agavino, sent me a Twitter post from
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  Speaker 1: a guy who claims, I guess somewhat credibly. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: researched him, but he claims to be the chief marketing
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  Speaker 1: officer of an AI company that spent eight million dollars
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  Speaker 1: on a Super Bowl ad, and he went through, at
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  Speaker 1: least in theory, assuming this is true, the whole background
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  Speaker 1: of their strategy and how it really tested well at first,
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  Speaker 1: but then by the time the ads aired on the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and I'm paraphrasing here, there was a very
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  Speaker 1: different perception of everything, and that it was basically a disaster. Again,
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  Speaker 1: these are my words, not his, and if it's true,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to presume, for the sake of argument,
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  Speaker 1: that what this guy is saying is true. That gives
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  Speaker 1: me a little bit of hope. Maybe my perception was
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  Speaker 1: not an aberration. Maybe other people felt the same way.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe this is gonna be one of those situations where
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  Speaker 1: AI becomes, you know, fancy cat food that the cats
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  Speaker 1: aren't interested in eating. I don't know, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that's possible, at least when it comes to marketing and entertainment. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, marketing and entertainment is a small, but I
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  Speaker 1: think important part of the entire AI issue. And of
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  Speaker 1: course I've always talked about when it comes to AI,
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  Speaker 1: there's this double edged sword of which is worse that
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  Speaker 1: AI is successful, everyone embraces it and it takes over
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  Speaker 1: our entire existence, or it becomes maybe the biggest flop
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  Speaker 1: in the history of technology. And that would not be
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  Speaker 1: an exaggeration if things like what this guy said actually
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  Speaker 1: come to fruition and people literally just don't buy it.
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  Speaker 1: Because the downside of that, obviously is we're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: an economic catastrophe. All these companies are massively overvalued, the
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  Speaker 1: stock market will crash. There's all sorts of potential implications
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  Speaker 1: for that. So honestly, at least in the short run,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know which is worse. I've been kind of
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  Speaker 1: rooting for the bust because I'm very, very fearful of
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  Speaker 1: what would happen culturally when it comes to AI. And
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  Speaker 1: later on in the episode, we're gonna compare where Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump is on AI to where Ron DeSantis is because
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a really, really interesting and telling comparison.
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  Speaker 1: It makes you a little bit frustrated as to who
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  Speaker 1: is president. But I want to table the AI topic
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. But it certainly was clearly part of
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl narrative when it came to the commercials,
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  Speaker 1: But that wasn't the ugly part. The ugly part, and
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  Speaker 1: this was not a surprise, came surrounding the halftime show
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  Speaker 1: with Bad Bunny. Now I had a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: nuanced view of this situation. I didn't want Bad Bunny
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  Speaker 1: to be the halftime host. I didn't know very much
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  Speaker 1: at all about Bad Bunny when he was announced. I
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  Speaker 1: was horrified when he went on Saturday Night Live and taunted, taunted,
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  Speaker 1: and that's not an exaggeration. Taunted on Saturday Night Live.
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  Speaker 1: English speakers in America to learn Spanish so they could
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  Speaker 1: be prepared for his super Bowl halftime show. That to
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  Speaker 1: me is the most underrated part of the entire Bad
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  Speaker 1: Bunny controversy. I mean, he didn't say he always claims
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  Speaker 1: in the media, promotes this idea that he's all about love.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever the reality is. He taunted, taunted Americans about the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they're going to be forced to listen to
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  Speaker 1: Spanish music during the halftime of the super Bowl, and
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  Speaker 1: that really, you know, told me a lot about what
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  Speaker 1: was going on here. This is this is something that
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  Speaker 1: was very, very dangerous, and I discussed about the precedent
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  Speaker 1: that it could set, the impact that it could have,
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  Speaker 1: something I'm much more sensitive to because I live here
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  Speaker 1: in southern California, where, let's face it, I mean, English
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  Speaker 1: is barely barely the primary language, and for millions of
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  Speaker 1: people in Southern California it is not. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: could give you all sorts of examples of how close
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  Speaker 1: we are to not even having English be dominant in
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  Speaker 1: southern California, and I'm sure in other areas of the
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  Speaker 1: country there's a similar situation. Let me give you this one,
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  Speaker 1: real quick one, and I keep waiting for somebody to
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  Speaker 1: do a story on this, but of course it's never
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  Speaker 1: going to happen on southern California radio, on white dominated stations.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, you know, are like contemporary top forty stations,
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  Speaker 1: the hits of the eighties, nineties, and today, that kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. There is a commercial that runs regularly where
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  Speaker 1: it is for AT and T. This is not a
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  Speaker 1: small company. AT and T openly is appealing to people
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  Speaker 1: who have split loyalties. This is how that the commercial
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  Speaker 1: refers to it split loyalties between Los Angeles and Mexico. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what they're really doing is they're appealing to illegal immigrants,
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  Speaker 1: That's what they're really doing. But they're effectively saying, look,
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  Speaker 1: if you are in La and you have loyalties to Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, there's lots of Spanish being used
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  Speaker 1: in the commercial. It's basically making it sound like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: somebody is being promoted. Hey, we really love the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you have this loyalty Mexico and we have this
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  Speaker 1: special phone plan just for you if you go back
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  Speaker 1: and forth between Mexico and Los Angeles. And it's voiced
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  Speaker 1: by the personalities on the radio station, the white personalities
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  Speaker 1: English speakers, but it's all about effectively creating a situation
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  Speaker 1: where people who are here illegally don't have to assimilate.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the assimilation part of this equation is incredibly
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  Speaker 1: important to me because if you don't have assimilation, you
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  Speaker 1: don't have a country. And I talk all the time about,
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  Speaker 1: especially here in southern California, doesn't even feel like we
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  Speaker 1: live in America, and of course the left and the
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  Speaker 1: media portrays that as somehow being racist. No, I don't
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  Speaker 1: give a shit what the color of your skin is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even care really if you came from Mexico
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. I'd like you to come here legally. But
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  Speaker 1: if you're here, at least learn the fucking English language.
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  Speaker 1: Because if we don't have we have a language, we
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  Speaker 1: don't have a country. And that, to me is where
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  Speaker 1: the bad Bunny thing becomes so incredibly important, because this
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  Speaker 1: is a literally unique event, the Super Bowl halftime show,
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  Speaker 1: and you could not possibly, could not possibly pick a
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  Speaker 1: more high profile situation to set a precedent where effectively
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  Speaker 1: we're just going to do this all in Spanish. Now,
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  Speaker 1: they put Lady Gaga on there, I guess as the
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  Speaker 1: token English speaker, and you know that didn't seem to
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  Speaker 1: go particularly well, and they put a Spanish flavor on
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  Speaker 1: her whatever. The show itself, to me was stupid. It
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  Speaker 1: looked like the most woke Disneyland experience ride you'd ever
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: possibly imagine. It was openly political. It was visually terrible
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: for the audience in the stadium. It was basically a
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: studio set made for television. There was a whole part
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: of this that was about hurricane relief in Puerto Rico,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: where Bad Bunny is from, which is okay, a fine,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: but is that really something that needs to be in
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl halftime show? What the media won't tell
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: you is and most people don't even know because they
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: don't Many people in this country still don't speak Spanish.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I don't speak Spanish. I didn't know until I researched it.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It was the vulgarity of the lyrics in these songs.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, if these songs have been done in English,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: there is no chance it was suppecied to buy a
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: white straight person. There's no chance in the world that
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the NFL would have allowed this, No chance in the world.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: These songs were grotesque in their lyrics, but its hands off. Now.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I can't talk about that because that would be racist.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: That's a cultural thing, I guess within the Spanish speaking culture.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It was so to me it offered absolutely nothing. I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: knew it would offer nothing to me because I'm not
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the target demographic anymore. I don't know who the hell
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the target demographic is. It seems to me as if
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: this was all part of the NFL's ongoing strategy to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: make the sport into an international sport, which I get
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: from a financial perspective. I mean, they're going to try
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to force every NFL team to play an overseas or
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: international game all too soon. I think it's terrible. It's
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: terrible for the sport. But America, you know, this is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: our game. We created football. The super Bowl is an
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: American holiday, and here you are. You are using this
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: remarkable platform in an overtly political way. Because there's no
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: question that a huge part of what was going on
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: here is that bad Bunny, it was campaigning against Ice public,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: including at the Grammys, was seen as a left wing
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: political figure, as someone standing in opposition to Donald Trump.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And that's why Turning Point USA put on their alternative
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: halftime show, and my view on this kind of shifted.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: At first, I thought, you know, what this might be
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: a situation where Turning Point USA is really able to
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: get some traction, because there's gonna be a large number
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: of people that are gonna want an alternative to this
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: crap because for no other reason, they can't actually speak
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: or understand Spanish. But when I saw who was performing
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: at the Turning Point USA halftime show, I said, Okay,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: this ain't gonna work because when Kid Rock is your
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: so called headliner and it's difficult, you know, it takes
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: at least some technological agility to be able to find
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the outlet, which you know, conservatives tend to be older
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and they're not really great at that kind of stuff.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: My prediction in the last episode of the podcast was
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: that the numbers would create a situation where everybody could
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: declare victory, and that's essentially exactly what happened. You know,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of conservatives that have said that
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the Turning Point USA situation was a success. I don't
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: know how you define that, because we have nothing to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: compare it to, but it appears as if, at least
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: on their major channels like YouTube, there are about six
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: million people that were watching the Turning Point USA production, which,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: by the way from a production perspective, was okay. My daughter,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Grace huge Charlie kirk fan, as you probably know, was
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: very excited about this. She felt like it was her
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: moral obligation to watch the Turning Point USA event. We
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: made sure I made sure that even though we are
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: in laws, that the main television was put on the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel for Turning Point U although she, you know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: at the end, I think she was only watching out
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of obligation because it was it was not that great.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: It wasn't horrendous, but it wasn't that great. But that
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: six or seven million number, whatever it was, correlates almost
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: exactly to the loss of audience that the Super Bowl
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: had from the end of the second quarter through the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: halftime show. So it's one of those rare situations where
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the numbers, as I look at them, seem to make
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of sense. It appears as if they're about
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: six or seven million people that dropped off of watching
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the game in order to protest, make a protest of
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: some sort, and to view what Turning Point USA was
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: putting on. Now, six or seven million people is under
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: normal circumstances, that's a significant number of people, but not
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: in this situation, because it's a bit like you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Christmas morning, where you have a mat the number of
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: people all doing the same thing, Your pool of potential
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: viewers is exponentially greater than it would be normally. Like
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: if on a Wednesday night, Turning Point USA said Hey,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: we're gonna put on this this concert, you come watch us.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: You know, that would be a more impressive number, because
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you get six or seven million people to go ahead
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and proactively do that, I think would be more difficult.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: So I was not impressed by who Turning Point USA got.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I was not all that impressed by their numbers. Yes,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: there was a small dent in the Bad Bunny halftime show,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: but not significant enough to where the NFL is going
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: to feel like they didn't get away with this, because
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: they absolutely got away with this, and you know, the
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: liberal media of course jumped on board. I mean, the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: virtue signaling when it came to telling us how great
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Bad Bunny was was off the charts, off the charts.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: The Associated Press was out immediately with a review of
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the halftime show entitled Bad Buddy made it clear at
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl that his global popularity translates seamlessly to
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the biggest US stage. Wow, how brave, how brave of
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the associated rass to come out big time in favor
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: of what Bad Buddy did and not really, by the way,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: is at the heart of the issue politically, to me,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the Ice Trump thing is secondary. This is about the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: issue of Okay, how is America going to react to
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: this European style invasion? And parts of the Bad Bunny
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Show were almost literally an invasion, with people carrying all
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: sorts of flags from countries not of America, literally on
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: on the football field of the Super Ball, the epicenter
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: of American culture. I mean, the symbolism was was stark,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: but with regard to the liberal virtue signaling, because I mean,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: they have to. Liberals feel like they have to like
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Bad Bunny. My gosh, he's perfect for them. He's he's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Spanish speaking, he hates Trump. You know, he is of
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: some ambiguous or I don't even know how to describe
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: his sexuality, but he's not a straight man. Most of
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the show was was steeped in homosexuality. There were almost
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: no white people. There were almost no good looking people.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: That's hardly why I put this into the the category
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: of the ugly. So this is everything that liberals love.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I will say that Jimmy Kimmel, of all people, was
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: willing to at least somewhat call out his own so
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: when it came to the reaction to Bad Bunny, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: because this was so shocking coming from Jimmy Kimmel, I
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: feel like it's worthy of being played on the podcast
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: because he's absolutely right on this where because of the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: politics involved, because of the optics involved, liberals felt this compulsion,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: This Pavlovian dog responds to feel like Bad Bunny was awesome,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: even though they have no idea what the hell he
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: was singing and didn't know who he was before the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl halftime show. And here's what it sounded like
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: from Jimmy Kimmel this week.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Almost every liberal I know suddenly really into Bad Bunny.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I mean people I've never heard say the words bad
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: or Bunny in their lives, like I can't wait for
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Bad Bunny allway.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: What's your what's your favorite Bad Bunny song? I don't know,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: but I love him. I love that Bunny.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing on me, did I know oh any
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: of the songs Bad Bunny was singing? Absolutely not never
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: heard even one second of one of them. Did I
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: understand any of what he was singing? Yes, the word nunka.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: That was it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Now. To be fair, Jimmy Kimmel, of course, had the
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: virtue signal himself by backing Bad Bunny in his feud
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. But I at least give Jimmy Kimmel
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: a few points for acknowledging the hypocrisy of his own side. Interestingly,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: another comedian who I've played clips from numerous times in
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: this podcast because I think he's actually a smart guy
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: and oftentimes he has important points to make is John
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Stewart from The Daily Show. I did not like his
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: take at all. In fact, I despised it because his
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: whole take, and this was common among liberals, which is
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the whole idea that oh, look at these conservatives with
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: their panties all in a bunch, all upset about a
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Spanish speaking halftime show, Like how harmless this is? You
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: know what, do you guys worried about? This narrative really
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: bugs me and bothers me and worries me greatly because,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: as I've already alluded to, this is not a trivial matter.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: This goes to the heart of who we are as
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: a country, and maybe in John Stewart's world. See this
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: is where people like a John Stewart probably lives in
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: a bubble where even in liberal circles and everyone he
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: knows speaks English, and so therefore he doesn't think that
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: this is a real significant issue. Or maybe who knows,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: or maybe he doesn't care, maybe he wants us to
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: be a bilingual nation. To me, there's no slipperier slope
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: than in language in all of humanity. I talk about
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the slippery slope all the time, but if you think
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: about this, I can't think of anything where the slope
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: is slipperer than in human language. We see this all
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the time. I mean, I mean, just look what's happened
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: interestingly on John Stewart's show alone. I mean, it used
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: to be you could never curse on a show like
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: John Stewart, so now they use curse words all the time.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: That's just one of a million different examples where language
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: you have to maintain strict guidelines, not in the First
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Amendment sense, but if you're going to have standards, it
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: is incredibly easy for things to go sideways when it
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: comes to language. And I really do believe that English
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: is in far greater jeopardy than a John Stewart would presume.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: In mocking conservatives for being upset about this, let me
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: give you another Los Angeles example of what I'm talking about,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and this will actually also show you just how completely
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: ridiculous the media coverage of the Bad Bunny halftime show was.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: So I live in the television market of Los Angeles, obviously,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: and watching NBC had the Super Bowl and NBC had
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the Olympics. That night, we get home from the in
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: laws and we're watching the local news, and of course
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl is the big story. But guess what
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Bad Bunnies halftime show on the NBC affiliate in Los
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Angeles was at least as big a story, at least
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: as the Super Bowl itself. Now, Bad Bunnies not from
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles. The game wasn't in Los Angeles. It was
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: in San Francisco. And there's the added part of this
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: equation that made me go, what the fuck is going on?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: That's Sam Darnell, who I've already referenced the winning quarterback,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the winning quarterback for the Super Bowl champion Seahawks, went
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: to high school in San Clemente, which is in the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: LA television market. And went to college at USC, by
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the way, didn't transfer, and he's the first USC quarterback
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: to ever win the Super Bowl. So this is a
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: massive local story. He got a local going to a
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: local college being the first USC quarterback to win a
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And I shit you not. The coverage of
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Sam Donald and the praise of Sam Donald was about
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the same on this NBC News broadcast as you're gonna
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: think I'm making this up. You think you're gonna be
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: thinking I'm exaggerating. Was about the same as a as
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a guy who was in Bad Bunnies halftime show for
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: three seconds giving him a taco because apparently he was
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: a guy who runs a real taco stand in Los Angeles.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Somehow got invited to be part of the Bad Bunny
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: halftime show. And Bad Bunny will turning a corner in
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: this maze that they created at the on the fifty
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: yard line of the Super Bowl, hands Bad Bundy a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: taco that that got the same amount of coverage, same
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: amount of coverage, And I'm being generous here as the
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: local kid beats all the odds and wins the Super
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Bowl as the quarterback. Now, part of that's just news
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: media stupidity, But part of that's an agenda. Who are
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: we going to focus on the white, straight guy who
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you know, pulled off this amazing victory, who happens to
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: be local, or oh, my gosh, we can appeal to
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the Spanish speakers in our audience, or the in the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Hispanic demographic of our audience. Oh there's a local flavor
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: to the bad Buddy Hattime show. I mean, these things
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: seem small, but in my opinion, they're not. And you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm paranoid. I fully acknowledge it. I could be
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: paranoid on this issue, but I had something very interesting
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: happened on the Tuesday after the Super Bowl. I go
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: to our local golf and swim club. Nice club, not
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: a great golf course, but you know, it's a private club,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: and I'm hitting range balls, and it tries me crazy
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: when I hit range balls and people aren't having loud conversations,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: especially if they're having loud conversations on the phone, which
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to do. But you know, it's usually
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: not that big of a problem. But on this particular Tuesday,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: for the first time that I can remember, I'm not
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure this has never occurred before, but
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I can never remember in my life, and I've been,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: you know, on golf ranges and private golf courses for
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: about forty five years of my life or thereabouts, so
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I could never remember this happening. Two guys to my
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: side started having a very loud and animated conversation to
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: they were members, They were hitting balls in the range,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: but the conversation was in Spanish. And I know one
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: of the guys, I didn't even know he was a
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Spanish speaker, so it's not like somehow that's the only language.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: And I know the other guy could speak English because
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: when he acknowledged me, he spoke English. And I'm like,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: oh my god. Now, was this a coincidence or is
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: this a real world example of well, we just had
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl halftime show in Spanish. Now, consciously or subconsciously,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: this is the slippery slope where it's fine for us
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: to speak in Spanish if we want to, even on
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: the driving range of public of a private golf course
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: where obviously English is the primary language by a long shot. Again,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: is that parano Is that coincidence or is there something
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to that? I don't know, but I am far more
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: concerned about this issue of bad money and the precedent
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: that it's set with regard to Spanish speaking. I'm also
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: irritated by the fact that he gets protected. He gets
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: all worlds here, he gets the best of all worlds.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: He gets protected from the content of his lyrics because one,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: not everybody can understand what the hell he's saying, and two,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the media presumes it would be racist to actually tell
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: you what he's saying, which is somewhat similar to what
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: happened last year during that incredibly racist halftime show where
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Frederick Lamar effectively hijacked and Jay Z is the producer
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: of the halftime show. One of the most underreported cultural stories,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: maybe in American history is what jay Z has done
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to the super Bowl halftime show in the last six years.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: A complete hijacking, a woke DEI takeover. White people are
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: not allowed, at least not in any primary role. If
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: they're there, they're purely there as tokens, and last year
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: was an abomination from a political perspective. It was basically
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the message was America is still a very racist country.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, we're going to talk about
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: all sorts of internal feuds and pedophilia and all sorts
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: of things that most of the public is gonna have
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: no idea about, and the media is not going to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: tell you about because again, one, it would be seemingly
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: racist in their minds. I mean, that's how the news
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: media looks at this criticism of a protected person, whether
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: it's because they're black, or because they're Spanish speaking, or
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: because they're gay, or just because they're liberal. That provides
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: you for horsefield protection. So it would be racist to
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: tell you what Lamar actually meant during last year's Super Bowl.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: It would be racist to tell you how vulgar and
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: obscene many of these Spanish lyrics were from Bad Bunny.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: And it's just incredibly frustrating and I think very dangerous.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I would like to believe, and I actually don't want
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: this scenario. I mean, for many, many years, I've been
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: rooting for the Super Bowl to maintain itself as our
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: last cultural touchstone, our last somewhat unifying event. But I'm
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: now on the camp of you know what, fuck it,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: it's not that anymore. I mean, you couldn't find somebody
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: more divisive than Bad Bunny, Like I said, he went
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: on Saturday Night Live and taunted English speakers to learn
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Spanish so that they could better enjoy his halftime show.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: That's not unifying. A week before the show, You're you're
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: attacking Ice on national television on the Grammys. I mean,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: this was incredibly divisive. And I talk all the time
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: about protecting the magic. The National Football League has done
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: an incredibly lousy job of protecting the magic, or protecting
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: their shield. They've not yet suffered any consequences for that.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I gotta believe eventually they will. I have to believe
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that now. Is it going to be in massive numbers. No,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: But we're already living in a world where, you know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: in this Trump world, where you know, everything is either
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: left or right, there's nobody who's unifying anybody. I mean,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: the truth is what you want to make of it.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I hate how fragmented everything is, how divided everybody is.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: The super was, or at least still is that last
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: theoretically unifying public event. And I think we're in real
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: grave danger of losing that because the National Football League,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: as liberals often do almost always do, they overplayed their hand.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: They you know, they're caught up in their virtue signaling
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: and their DEI they're terrified of jay Z. They can't
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: control jay z uh and and jay Z doesn't give
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: a shit. I mean, he's using this incredible platform for
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: his own selfish agenda, and the National Football League get
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: best is just standing by and allowing it to happen.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Last year, I thought maybe they were caught off guard,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and we're naive and we're just afraid of telling the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: black people what they couldn't couldn't do. I think there
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: was probably some of that, but now with Bad Bunny,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I have to believe that they're in on this. They
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: have to be in on this. They're just not that stupid,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and I wish they would have paid more of a
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: price than they did. Now there was some price in
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the ratings. The game was not as I predicted. It
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: was not the highest or most watched game in Super
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Bowl history. It was supposedly the second most watched game
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: in Super Bowl history, and the halftime show was also
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: not the most watched in Super Bowl history. Now I
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: hesitate to even talk about the ratings on this game
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: because not because they didn't turn out the way that
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I would have hoped. They basically did. They basically came
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: out almost exactly as I expected. They were probably a
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: little higher than I expected. I thought there would be
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: more of a drop off because there's no Kansas City
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Chiefs and no Tailor Swift, and there was some of that.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: But part of the problem and why it is I'm
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: hesitant to even reference the ratings, is that Nielsen has
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: been open about the fact that they've completely changed the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: way that they are calculating these ratings, and they're doing
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: so in a manner and I'm not saying that this
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: is bad for figuring out what the actual number is.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it's bad for being able to compare this
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: year or last year two years prior. Because what they
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: have done just a boom to the National Football League
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: is effectively they've made it easier for group settings and
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: bar settings and that kind of thing to be counted
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: into the numbers. And the television ratings for football have
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: been dramatically increased this year. Is that because more people
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: are actually watching? I doubt it. There will be no
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: reason for that. I mean, it was an interesting season,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: but the National Football League is losing stars now. They
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: have very few superstars, and that, like I said, the
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Chiefs fell off the map this year. Taylor Swift was
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: no long longer a major factor, and Patrick Mahomes didn't
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs and end up getting hurt. And obviously
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady's been long retired now, so there's no explanation
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: for why this year would be so much better than
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: prior years. To me, it's much more about the mechanics
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: of how they came up with this number. It's a
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: bit like this is not a perfect analogy. But you know,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: they always tell you that when it comes to weather
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and climate that the last ted fifteen years whatever it is,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: have been the hottest ever on record, and the last
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: however many decades, we keep getting hotter and hotter, and
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I keep saying, well, first of all, that the numbers
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: don't really prove that, but more importantly, you do understand
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: that we dramatically change the way that we calculate global temperature, right,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: you do understand that it's probably not a coincidence that
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: when we got satellite technology and the global warming craze
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: became so dim within the scientific community that those two
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: things just happened to give at the same time, and
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: you all automatic, auto of a sudden, all of a sudden,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: just my coincidence, you started getting numbers that were higher
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: when it came to global temperature. Maybe just maybe it's
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: because of the way you're calculating the numbers. So I
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: do think there's a comparison to the similarity and an
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: analogy to be made to what's happening with the television
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: ratings of the Super Bowl. So I think the best
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: that we can discern is the audience was not as
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: large as last year. That's about all we know. Was
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: it dramatic, no, Was it significant? Yes? Was there some
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: dent in the halftime show because of what turning point
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: USA did, Yes, but it was not a big enough
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: dent for them to declare victory. And I don't think
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: it's a situation where the NFL would really be all
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: that hesitant to do the same thing again or something similar,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: which is unfortunate because, as I've already sad stated in
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: pretty good detail, there's a lot to be lost here
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: in a lot of different fronts, including the unity of America,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: which is engraved jeopardy as we are in the process
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: of celebrating our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. So that's
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I want to move now to the
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: story that just will not die like Freddy Krueger, it
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: will not die, the Jeffrey Epstein story. And I have
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: to say, I mean, I can't remember a story. Well,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: maybe there are some that I can remember if I try,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: but it's like deja vous all over again in so
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: many ways, this Epstein story. Because I honestly think being
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: as objective as I can be, and I do think
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: that I am being objective, that I have told you
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: what was going to happen here, what did not happen here,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: what did happen, and how it was all going to
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: be reacted to better than anybody else that I'm aware.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: If there's somebody in all seriousness series is this is
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: a sincere question, if there is somebody else out there
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: that is more accurately analyzed what the Epstein story was
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: really all about, and what the Epstein Files was eventually
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: going to reveal, and how the Epstein Files was going
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: to be reacted to better than me. I would love
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: to know it. Send me an email or a direct
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: message or in the comments on the Patreon app, I
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: would love to know it. Please tell me. We've had
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Michael Tracy on this podcast before. The interview didn't go
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: particularly well because Michael Tracy, had investigative reporter, has done
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: some great work on the Epstein case, but he's also
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: got some massive blind spots on the whole scenario, including
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: the issue of whether or not Epstein may or may
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: not have killed himself in prison, which caused us to
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: go sideways. I still think you ought to check out
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Michael Tracy's work. I'm going to refer to some of
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: it here in just a moment with regard to the
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: most recent revelations in the so called Epstein file. But
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I think the only part about this that I've really
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: gotten wrong is, and this happens so often in my analysis,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: is I was probably too optimistic when it came to
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: how people would react to their fairy tale not being
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: proven true and in fact, I believe being proven untrue
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: by the release of these files. I thought there would
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: be some people, some people who would have the integrity
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: to go, you know what, Yeah, there's really nothing here.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe this whole narrative was off, maybe it was totally wrong,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: And I have seen none of that from anybody who's prominent.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're living in a world now where once
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: you dig in on your side on a big enough story,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: there's no going back, and I've said it, you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: hundreds of times, but it bears repeating. It is far
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: easy to dupe somebody then to convince them that they
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: have been duped. And the vast, vast majority of the public,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and virtually all of the media class and huge portions
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: of the political class were duped by the essence of
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: this narrative. And just to be clear one more time,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: what the facts and the logic indicate happened here is
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein was a guy who hired a lot
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of prostitutes and some of them were under the age
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: of consent, and that was his primary crime. Now it's
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: my theory, it's my theory that he was also committing
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: financial crimes if you look at some of the really
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: good work that The New York Times did on how
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: he became rich, and that's always been part of what
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: has created so many of these conspiracy theories. Oh well,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: how did he make all his money? As if Jeffrey
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: enterityment it was the only seemingly super rich guy in
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the world that you couldn't define exactly how he made
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: all his money. That's not that unusual, but it does
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: appear as if he was engaging in some pretty shady tactics.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: He also got really lucky, and he was also very
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: very smart. I mean, nobody's saying the guy was dumb.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: So the reality is that he was probably engaging in
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: some very complex financial shenanigans. That was, in my estimation,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: my guess, that was why prosecutors were really going after him.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: It was really the financial crimes that they could not
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: prove in a court of law, but they had him
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: on this issue of underage girls in prostitution, So it's
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: kind of like the inverse of getting Capone for tax evasion.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: That's my sense of what happened here, and that everything
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: else gets manifest out of this moral panic and this
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: perfect storm of circumstances. The fact that he kills himself
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: in prison. The story explodes. Prince Andrew does a stupid
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: interview with the BBC and it gets perceived that the
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: royal family is pleading guilty on his behalf. So if
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Prince Andrew is guilty, my god, there must be all
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: sorts of other people being guilty here. Gallaine Maxwell as
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: a sham trial in the middle of the COVID panic.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: She gets convicted on very shady evidence. I've said a
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: hundred times. I don't know to what level she is guilty.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I am open to her being guilty. I'm open to
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: her being innocent. I just know that her trial was
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: a sham. And then we have this confluence of bizarre
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: events where both the right wing media, and this has
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: always been the strangest part of this narrative that I
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: don't think I'll ever understand, considering the fact that Trump
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: was president when Epstein killed himself in prison, the right
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: wing media decides that somehow this story is much bigger
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: than it is, and that Epstein was murdered in a
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: federal prison while Trump was president, and that this is
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: a massive, massive scandal involving lots and lots of powerful people,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: and we need to get to the bottom of this.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: And the left wing media is not that interested. Even
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: during the Biden administration, where the Biden DOJ would presumably
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: have access to all this information and if there was
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: something there, they would have an enormous incentive to promote
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: it in every way possible, including with indictments, they didn't
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: do anything about it. But then suddenly the left wing
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: media says, wait a minute, this is a potential situation
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: to finally get Trump, because Trump is all over this stuff,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: and Trump was close to Epstein, and we all know
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Trump's proclivities, and so now we end up with this
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: this ever snowball snowball effect, where this tiny snowball at
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the top of the mountain becomes an avalanche at the
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: bottom of the mountain because everyone has created this mythology,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: they've presumed all this stuff is true. They've never examined
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the basics of the case. They don't even know the
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: basic facts of the case. And this is where it's
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: so similar to the whole Jerry Sandusky situation. Of course,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: it's very ironic that Jeffrey Epstein wrote a very compelling
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and concise email fairly early on in the Sandusky story
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: making the case that he believed that Sandusky was likely innocent,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: which is remarkable and I think an indication that Epstein
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: was very, very smart, but obviously not helpful at all
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: to Jerry Sandusky's situation because of the politics involved in
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: all of this. But we have this situation where there's
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: this perfect storm of circumstances where everyone becomes incentivized, no
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: one looks at the facts, this mythology gets created, This
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Molehill turns into a mountain, and there's all this fascination
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: with the Epstein files. And then, of course, because of
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: the nature of these files, a lot of them have
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: to be redacted for whatever reason, and people use the
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: redactions as Aha, the real truth isn't it out there yet,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: even though we haven't found what we were looking for,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: It's gotta be in there. It's in the redactions, which
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: of course never made any goddamn sense, because if it
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: was really in the redactions, especially with regard to Trump,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: then why the fuck didn't they redact all this stuff,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: all these crazy space alien stories about Trump, about raping
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: babies and whatnot. How do you explain that. I've not
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: heard anybody even try to explain if you're in the
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: camp that Donald Trump is somehow implicated or that or
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: that somehow these files are withholding important information, specifically about
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Trump because the is afraid of offending him. And by
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: the way, I'm totally open to that narrative. I'm completely
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: open to that narrative, except it's inconsistent with the facts.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Because the facts are they allowed all sorts of horrible
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: things to be said about Donald Trump in these Epstein files,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: that are clearly obviously not true. They were completely debunked
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: by investigators. The people that spewed this bullshit were crazy,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: literally crazy people, psychotics. And this happens in every high
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: profile case. I mean, we've got you Jamie Raskin, Democratic Congressman,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: going around saying that Trump's name is in the files
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: a million times, therefore he must be guilty of something.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: There's too much smoke. No, if you use your fucking
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: brain for a second. As I've said before, Trump was
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: president in twenty nineteen and he was about to run
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: for reelection. Twenty nineteen is the year that Epstein killed
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: himself and a federal prisident in this story actually exploded.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Every crackpot is gonna come out of the woodwork, especially
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: once these conspiracy theories start to take hold in this
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: social media age with their unhinged stories about Donald Trump
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, there's all sorts of motivation
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: and explanation for that, and so I am unmoved at
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: all by how many times Trump's name is in the files.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: There's nothing substantive indicating he did anything, and there's no
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: logic because again, he would have been sued like he
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: was sued by Egene Carroll. He would have been sued
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: all over the place. The Biden doj would have been
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: all over this. Epstein never would have killed himself in
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: a federal president if he had blackmail information on the
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: fucking president of the United States, the most easily manipulated
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: president in history. It never would have happened this way.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Use your fucking brains. And yet we've got Raskin, and
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: we've got Thomas Massey, the last Libertarian congressman from Kentucky,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: a guy who, until this situation happened, I really like.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: But Massey has, in my opinion, lost his fucking mind.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because he's freaked out that
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: he got fired by Trump from MAGA. I mean, he
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: was never really Maga, but Trump went on the warpath
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: on him and wants to try to take him out,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and he sees this as his safest path to being reelected,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: whether or not he really believes this. But Massey, I mean,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: I would love I would love to interview Massey about this.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: He follows me on Twitter. I'm not asked for him
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: to come on. I doubt that he would, but I
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: really would like to know. Does he not understand what's
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: happening or does he not care. I really don't have
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: an answer to that, because he is the one that's
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: most involved in what I would call this shell game
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: involving the so called list. Right the list, the supposed
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: list of Epstein abusers, these rich, powerful men that engage
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: in the sex trafficking operation that never got sued, despite
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: the fact that there's amounts of money and positive publicity
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: and attorneys that would salivate overtaking the case, and the
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: media that's blowing a hurricane wind at your back, and
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: New York State extending the statute limitations right around the
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: time in which this story becomes huge. I mean, that
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't make any goddamn sense, but that there ever was
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: this list in fact, in fact, the whole idea of
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: the list, if you go back, there's no substance to it.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk played a very large role in promoting the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: the idea that there's a so called list. And then
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Pam Bondi made this blunder on a Fox News interview
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: where she's clearly misunderstanding what the question is because she
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: gets asked about a list and she says it's on
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: her desk but she's actually referring to a file, and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: all this creates this ridiculous narrative that somehow there's this
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: list of protected powerful people who abuse these so called
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Epstein survivors, and Massy keeps playing the show game where
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: he keeps threatening, he keeps threatening, I'm gonna name the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: naggs on the list. I'm gonna do it on the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: house floor so they can't show me. And first of all,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: he has said this like five or six times, and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: he keeps getting publicity for it, like it keeps getting
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: reported as a new news story. Massy threatens to give
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: the names of the list on the house floor, and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: of course it's still as of this taping, nothing close
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: to that has really happened, although they sort of did
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: a list if you will, that I'm gonna get to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: in just a moment. But he never actually provides the
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: quote unquote list. When he's asked about it, he acknowledges
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have the list, but that the survivors are
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: willing to give him the list. And he's just naively
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: accepting the idea that, well, these survivors because they're saints
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: and they would never be telling an untruth and we
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: know that they're the good guys, because just because they
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: haven't told me who's on the list doesn't mean that
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: the list doesn't exist. Well, what's happening here is Massy
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: is essentially threatened to kill himself with a gun that's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: not loaded. I swear I'm gonna shoot myself. I'm gonna
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: shoot myself, but there's no ammunition in the gun because
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: there's no fucking list. The reason why we know there's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: no fucking list is because if there was a list
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: or anything close to a list, the survivors would have
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: told us already. And by the way, you know how
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: they would have told us, they would have fucking sewed
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: their says. Because of the special circumstances of this case,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: there's tons of money, and the media is gonna blow
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: a hurricane wind at your back, and every attorney and
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: if every plane of his attorney is gonna want to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: take the case pro bono because they know it's a
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: fucking slam dunk to be able to coerce or or
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: scare the fuck out of somebody, whether they're guilty or not,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: especially in this situation where the everything's so toxic, everything's
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: so heightened. Everyone's so afraid. This is the This is
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: easier than even Sandusky to build money out of a
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: rich person. But the reason why the survivors have ensued
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: and haven't provided an actual list of names or even
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: the names of the people that other than Epstein who
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: will be quote unquote abuse them, is because it didn't happen.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: There are no names. There's no names, And that's the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: only logical conclusion you can come to. And the reason
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: why the survivors haven't provided any names to Massy or
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: by themselves. It's nothing stopping them from providing these names
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: publicly unless they're lying and they're afraid that they themselves
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: are gonna get sued. And to me, this is so obvious.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: All you have to do is be able to figure
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: out the two plus three equals five, which I guess
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: is beyond most people. Now, interestingly, this idea has started,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: you know, my idea has started to gain a little
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: bit of traction, a little bit of traction where people
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: are starting to ask, well, why don't the survivors just
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: provide the names? And in a fascinating Twitter post, Elon Musk,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: of course owns Twitter or x, came up with an
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: explanation because I guess Elon is smart enough to realize,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: you know what, that's a that's a fair question. Why
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: if there really was this list, you know, why aren't
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: the survivors providing the list? And Musk came up with this.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I have to give him some credit this novel theory
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: that Epstein was such a genius in the way that
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: he organized his sex trafficking ring, that he had each
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: of these girls or women most of them were women,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: some of them were girls, which was why he ended
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: up in prison and killed himself. But a lot that
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: what Epstein would do is that he would have these
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: girls recruit other girls to be part of this massive
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: sex trafficking organization. And by the way, there's probably some
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: truth to that. You know why, there's probably some truth
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: to that because one these girls obviously they know other
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: girls that are in the same realm. But flipping the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: story on its head, and oftentimes the truth is the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: opposite of what it's perceived in these kind of cases,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Epstein was paying good money and treating these women, by
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: their own accounts, very very well. So this was probably
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: a gig that within this world was one that a
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: lot of women or girls would have wanted I know
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: that that's politically incorrect to say, but that's the truth
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: of the matter. So I don't have a problem with
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: the concept that something like this happened. And if you
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: want to call that sex trafficking, fine, technically I guess
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: it is, but it's not the narrative that we were sold,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: which was that Epstein was using underage girls to blackmail
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: powerful people who were engaging in this the rape of
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: the of the young girls. That's the essence of the narrative.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: But Musk's theory here is that Epstein was effectively creating
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: a situation where none of these girls or women could
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: tell the truth about what happened, because in order to
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: do so, they would have to implicate themselves in a
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: sex trafficking operation and therefore would be vulnerable to criminal charges.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what Musk said. Are you
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: fucking kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me? Do you
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: really think, because anybody would have a brain, really think
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: that there is a prosecutor on planet Earth who would
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: ever even dream of filing charges or or prosecuting a
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: so called Epstein survivor because they brought another woman into
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: the situation where she also became an abuse victim and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: that therefore technically was somehow part of a sex trafficking operation.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: That is completely ridiculous. That is fantasy world. Epstein survivors
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: are the most protected class of person you know that,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: at least that are English speakers and straight other than
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: maybe Sandusky accusers that I can think of. And I
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: have to say that the Epstein survivors or accusers, whatever
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: you want to call them, they might now be in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: a more protected class than the Sandusky accusers. I think
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: they probably have surpassed them. But to me, the Musk
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: thing was fascinating because it showed how far people like
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: him are willing and able to go to try to
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: justify this broken narrative. It's really desperate. It's so absurd
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: that it actually, I've said this before, it makes me
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: question everything about Elon Musk. First of all, I don't
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: understand how Elon Musk has the time to be posting
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: on Twitter more than I do. I really don't how
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: the fuck is that possible. But he says some of
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: the craziest shit, some of the most absurd things, makes
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: insane allegations. By the way, he's in the Epstein Files.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: But he's completely just ignored that he seems to have
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: lied about his relationship which was meager with Epstein. And
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: so maybe this is his strategy of, you know, instead
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: of being on the defense, you go on the offense.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: And of course he's accused Trump previously of being implicated
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: in the Epstein files when they were having their feud,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and I guess they've had a rap ro schma. But
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: back to the to the Congress people involved in all this,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: the show game that Massey is playing is so transparent.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: If you use your brain, you realize that there is
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: no list. But they still feel like they have to
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: justify this. So Nancy Mace, Republican congresswoman, former swimsuit model,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: she's all over this. She wants hearings on some of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: the stuff that she's seen in the redacted files. And
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: by the way, let me just take this out of
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: the theoretical into the practical. Not only is this sucking
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: up an awful lot of media oxygen and attention, and
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: the truth is being lost and there's a witch hunt
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: and innocent people are being destroyed for having no connection
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: whatsoever to Epstein's crimes. I mean, it's just that part
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: of this has been even worse than I thought. I
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: told you that it would happen. I told you that
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: they were going to fulfill their promise of providing a
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: public execution of elites, and that has actually happened even
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: more so than I anticipated. But the GOP, the Republican House,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: has the majority by a whisker for a couple of
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: more months. Effectively, once you get into summer, it's over,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: because now you're campaigning for the midterms. The GOP is
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: going to lose the House in the midterms. It will
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: take a miracle, despite what Donald Trump is saying, it
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: will take a miracle at this point for the Republican
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Party to maintain their majority in the House. And they
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: have passed one major piece of legislation, the Big Beautiful Bill,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: And now they're going to waste their last little bit
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: of time to potentially do something to get us ready
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: for the oncoming onslaught of Democrats taking back power on
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: this bullshit story. This is how they're going to spend
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: their time and energy on a story about a guy
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: who killed himself in prison seven years ago because he
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: was caught having sex with underage girls who he was
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: hiring as prostitutes. Really really, I mean, this is the
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: story is just so unbelievably fucking crazy. But it's not
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: just Thomas Massey, It's not just Nancy Mays, it's not
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: just Jamie Raskin Roe Conna, Democratic Congressman from California Silicon Valley.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: He is all over this. He and Massey think that
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: they have something that sort of constitutes the list. They
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: have named six people who, according to Conna quote, are
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: likely incriminated, likely incriminated by their mention in the Epstein files.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: He doesn't say incriminated in what, But let's just pretend
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: he's saying incriminated in the sex crimes of Jeffrey Epstein. Again,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: that's not the allegation, that's not what he's saying. But
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: this phrase likely incriminated ought to send chills down your spine,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: coming from people who are elected to Congress of the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: United States of America. Likely incriminated, likely incriminated. What the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: fuck does that even mean? I mean, even if you
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: take that phrase at face value, so fucking what, likely
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: incriminated doesn't even come close to the threshold of an
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: arrest or a charge, especially in a case like this
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: where an a rest a charge completely destroys your life
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: because it's dealing with a horrific the horrific crime of
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: child sexual abuse, I mean, but likely incriminated, get the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: fuck out of here. But it gets even worse than that, because,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: first of all, these six names are already known. There's nothing.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: This is another thing that happens constantly on the Epstein
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: story where people will pretend that they've got some great
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: revelation because they have to the unrepacted files or whatever
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: it is, when it's all out there already. And one
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: of the names is a guy in the name of
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Leslie Wexter and Leslie Wesner, a high profile, super rich
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: business guy. His name caught my attention because he's an
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Ohio State athletic booster, and that's part of the reason
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: why people are going after him on the whole Epstein thing.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: And in my opinion, part of what's happening here is
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: they're trying to connect him to the whole Jim Jordan
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Ohio State wrestling story, which I've already told you was
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: mostly bullshit and had nothing to do with Jim Jordan,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: but they see him as vulnerable on that story. So
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: if you combine the fact that he's connected to Jim
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Jordan and he was friends with Epstein. Aha, this guy's
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: a fucking pedaphim. Essentially, this is the world we're now
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: living here, and so this is one of the six
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: names that Hannah and Massey have come up with after
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: viewing the unredacted portion of the Epstein files. But there's
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: one massive problem. There's a lot of massive problems, But
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: the biggest massive problem is the most prominent plaineiffs attorney
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: for the Epstein survivors, has already said point blank that
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: there's no evidence that Wexter had any knowledge or any
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: role at all in Epstein's crimes. This is from the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: plaintiff's attorney. I don't know how you get more exagerated
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: than that, But this is his this is Conna's big
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: bomb show. It's it's completely ridiculous. And Marjorie Taylor Green,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: don't even get me started on her. Oh my god.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I will say, it looks like I was wrong, not
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: maybe about her intention, but about her ability to I
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: get a major media gig, because as far as I
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: can tell, she's not been hired by any major network.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: I thought that she was going through the demaggatizing process
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: with the sixty minutes interview and interviews on CNN and
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: what have you, So that someone was going to hire
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: her for the next year as a commentator, as a
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: MAGA commentator, former MAGA commentator on the Republican House and
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: on the Trump administration. She certainly did her darnedest to
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: make that happen. So far it is not. My guess
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: is that it probably won't if it hasn't happened already.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: But she is still on the war path against Trump.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: She's still lying about what he said to her. And
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: I know that she's lying because I have her own words.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: What she told sixty minutes was that Trump told her
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I don't want to release the files because people will
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: get hurt. Well, she changed that story to the New
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: York Times, and now this are the stories he likes. Now.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Trump told her that friends of his will get hurt
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: if the files are released, which number one, you don't
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: get too bites the apple there. You can't tell sixty
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: minutes something. And then a couple of weeks later, decide
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: your last conversation with the President United States, you're gonna
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: completely change a quote from him. You're not allowed to
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: do that, not with any credibility. But you know what
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: else is a problem with her story. So the files
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: have now been released, lots of people are getting hurt.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know of anybody other than maybe Howard Lutneck,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: the Commerce Secretary, But that's more on the fact that
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: he apparently lied about his relationship with Epstein and not
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: what's in the files itself. But there's nobody in the
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Trump friend group who's getting hurt. So why don't we
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: look at that? Why don't we go hey, wait a minute,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, you changed your story rather dramatically about
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: what Trump said. So who are the Trump friends that
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: are getting hurt? I'm unaware of anybody, So I mean,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: to me, her credibility is and totally shot. I have
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: more disdain for her than just about anybody in this
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: entire story. And the witch shine is going on all
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: over the place. We've lowered the standard for what is
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: somehow scandalous here to ridiculous levels. The left wing media
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: of the New York Times is throwing the Clinton's totally
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: under the bus with stories about Glaine Maxwell and the
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Clinton Global Initiative. What hold on a second. So, now,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Glainne Maxwell, who was incredibly well connected. I mean, she
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: she knew everybody, she knew Trump, she knew the Clinton,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: she knew Prince Andrew. She was in the elite of
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: the elite class, and you know, she had access to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of money. And so she helps build and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: fund the Clinton Global Initiative. And somehow, because many years
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: later she in a sham trial, gets convicted of effectively
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: enabling Jeffrey Epstein's sex crimes. How the fuck does that
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: reflect on the Clinton Global Initiative. I just don't even
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: understand this. We've lost our fucking minds. This is literally
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: the definition of a witch hunt. And then Maxwell was
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: invited to testify to Congress, and I can't stand when
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: this happens, because this really appeals to all the fucking
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: idiots out there where somebody in Maxwell's position gets asked questions.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: And by the way, the same thing happened with Epstein
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: and some of the definsitions that he gave, where they
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: don't want to answer questions, their lawyers won't allow them
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: to answer questions, so they take the Fifth Amendment right
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: against self incrimination. And of course, to all the conspiracy
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: theorists out there, that's bump bump bum. Obviously, all the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: reason why you take the Fifth Amendment is because your
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: headings optator are the there's a lot more to the story,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: or you're lying, or whatever the hell it is. Well, look,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: I wish, and I think she wishes, she would just
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: get out there in front of Congress and tell her story,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: because I am still convinced that the most logical scenario. Again,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: I want to make it clear, I'm totally open to
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: the idea that she helped Epstein commit his crimes. Totally
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: open to that. I'm not convinced of it, but I'm
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: totally open to it. It would make some sense. But
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: I am not convinced that she's guilty, and I feel
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: like she has at least a compelling story to tell.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: She did tell that story in large part to Todd Blanche,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: the Deputy Attorney General, and it's clear that Todd Blanche
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: does not believe the overall narrative. I played the clip
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: last week. If you haven't listened to it yet in
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: episode two seventy nine, go back and listen to it,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: because it's my favorite clip of the year so far,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: where he effectively tells this reporter who's assuming all this
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: has been true that, sorry, buddy, there is no say
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: a clause. And yet, you know, because maxwell Is is
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: handicapped by the fact that she's, you know, trying to
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: get out of prison. I think delusionally, she's hoping for
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: a pardon from Donald Trump. I don't see how he
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: could politically pardon her at all, except maybe on the
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: last day of his presidency, if if Gavin Newsom or
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: someone else from the Democracratic Party was elected. I guess
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: that's theoretically possible. But maybe the most frustrating part and
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: the most telling part of the Epstein file release is
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: that there has been a ton of really interesting information
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: that has been released, and it's not just Epstein making
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: the case that Jerry Sandusky was actually innocent. If we
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: had a rational thinking society and we had a functioning media,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: there would be a revisitation of the entire narrative that
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: got us here in the first place. I mean, because
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: we have just accepted all of this is true, and
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: then we've made presumptions based upon what we thought was true,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: and then we're interpreting new information based upon the prism
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: of what I believe to be a mythology. And I
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: referenced Michael Tracy, who I have a very conflicted relationship
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: with independent reporter or investigator, who again was on this
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: podcast to talk about this topic and things went a
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: bit sideways. But I've always said Michael does a good
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: job on the nuts and bolts of the story. I
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: also think he's really really good on X, which is
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: interesting because he's a terrible interview I don't know what
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: the disconnect is, but he's a terrible interview, But he's
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: great on X. And if you're interested on what's really
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: going on and the truth of this whole story, I
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: recommend that you check out his Twitter feed. But he
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: had two posts in particular that I want to share
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: with you that, if we lived in a remotely rational world,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: would make people go whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Hold on
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: a second, let's go back to the beginning here, and
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: maybe we went down the wrong path. The first deals
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: with what the files say about Virginia Geoffrey. Virginia Geoffrey
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: is the key accuser here. You cannot overstate her influence.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: She's the one that destroyed Prince Andrew. She was Epstein's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: primary accuser at the beginning. She facilitated a lot of
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: the media coverage in Florida that ignited this case. She's
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: the one who falsely accused Alan Dershowitz and then had
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: to retract, which I think was a key moment in
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: this case. She's the one who last year faked a
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: bus accident and claimed on social media that she was
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: going to die in a couple of days, and then
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: she didn't die, but then a few months later she
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: killed herself right before she's releasing a book. I mean,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: not one person in this media, not one in the
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: ministry media, has ever said, you know, isn't it odd
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  Speaker 1: that a woman who's survived all this kind of abuse
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  Speaker 1: and seemingly had her life turned around and she's married
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  Speaker 1: to a guy who hasn't said a goddamn word or
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: that I'm aware of. Boy, I'd love to interview him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because she's accused him of abuse at times.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she's accused almost everybody she's ever met, other
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: than Donald Trump, of sexual abuse. But no one in
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  Speaker 1: the media has ever said she she got through all
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  Speaker 1: this by wy No one killed her, no one tried
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  Speaker 1: to kill her, and the bust things seemed like it
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  Speaker 1: was fake. And she's got a book coming out why
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  Speaker 1: would you kill yourself? Oh man, what that abuse that
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  Speaker 1: she suffered just must have been too much. Well, wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, she got through all the hard part. Now
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  Speaker 1: she's rich. The media loves her. She's I mean, she's
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  Speaker 1: got a fan base, for God's sake. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to make a law. Chuck Schumer is proposing a
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  Speaker 1: law in her name, even after what I'm about to
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  Speaker 1: tell you, which is absolutely that shit fucking bonkers. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she's got all sorts of support. She's got a book
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  Speaker 1: coming out, you know. I mean, she had a ghostwriter
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: that was depending on her, she's got publisher depending on her.
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  Speaker 1: Presumably she wants her story out there. Shouldn't we at
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: least consider why she killed herself. That there's at least
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: a scenario that maybe she didn't feel good about what
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: she was about to write. Maybe somewhere she felt killed
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  Speaker 1: about it. Maybe she didn't want to face any scrutiny
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  Speaker 1: for her story. I mean, I don't know any of
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  Speaker 1: this is true. I think it's a legitimate question. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we used to live in a world where someone killed
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  Speaker 1: themselves under these circumstances. The book wouldn't even be published
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  Speaker 1: because you couldn't cross examine her. She's making serious allegations
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  Speaker 1: about public people, So that whole narrative I guarantee you,
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  Speaker 1: guarantee you that almost nobody in this country even knows
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: I just told you. But it's actually worse than that,
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  Speaker 1: based upon the files. Here's Michael Tracy's post about what
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: we learned in the Epstein files about Geoffrey. Tracy writes,
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  Speaker 1: this is the most astonishing Epstein file yet. Federal prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: interviewed the Marquis Epstein quote unquote survivor of Virginia Roberts
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  Speaker 1: Geoffrey and found virtually all her most signature claims, which
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  Speaker 1: it's no exaggeration to say spawned the entire Epstein mythology
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  Speaker 1: as we know it, were utterly non credible. Her claims
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  Speaker 1: that have been to have been trafficked quote unquote to
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  Speaker 1: prominent individuals not credible. Her claims that Epstein surreptitiously recorded
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  Speaker 1: sexual encounters for blackmail not credible. What they do find
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: is that she repeatedly lied about key events, sensationalized stories
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: in public media appearances, and made up fake death threats
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: against her. So that's something. Are you still looking for
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: an Epstein files quote unquote cover up to be outraged about.
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  Speaker 1: Look no further. This person's profound lack of credibility was
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: fully known to the government, and yet there she was
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: able to freely defame everybody left and right. Weave the
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: most fantastically fictitious tales of pedo nightmares tyranny, generate gigantic
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: political controversies across multiple countries, and convinced the general public
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: that there's a sprawling quote unquote child sex trafficking and
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  Speaker 1: blackmail operation running rampant. She's the one who introduced that
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: theory in the first place, and nobody did anything to
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: stop the insanity. Instead, they fueled it and validated it.
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  Speaker 1: She's still being declared a martyr and an American hero
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: by politicians, journalists, lawyers, and survivors. Amazing, says Tracy, and
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that, But that also dubtails with another
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  Speaker 1: post that Tracy made about a memo that was put
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  Speaker 1: together by the FBI. And this, to me might be
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: the most damning a piece of evidence in the Epstein
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: files because it comes from a very credible source, and
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: it came from members of both the Biden and Trump administration.
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  Speaker 1: When it comes to debunking the essence of the narrative,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: the mechanisms of the narrative, the operation of the of
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: the narrative. And here's what Tracy writes about that would
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  Speaker 1: love to have seen the look on cash matel and
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  Speaker 1: Dan Bongino's face when they got this March eleventh, twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five email, systematically dismantling every plank of common Epstein mythology.
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  Speaker 1: Point one quote. This is a quote from the FBI memo.
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  Speaker 1: There were no videos of any sexual abuse identified at
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: any point in the investigation, which is really key. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that goes against what everyone is presumed to be true.
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  Speaker 1: But if there's no videos, then there's no way to
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  Speaker 1: blackmail anybody. And if there's no way to blackmail anybody,
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  Speaker 1: the whole argument and the whole concept of the narrative
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: and how Epstein pulled this off collapses. But that's only
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: the start. Next point quote. We are aware of the
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  Speaker 1: theories circulated in the media and online and Epstein video
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  Speaker 1: recorded the abuse of his victims, including by other men,
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  Speaker 1: but we have found no evidence to support that theory. Indeed,
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  Speaker 1: we had we found such videos, we certainly would have
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  Speaker 1: used them as evidence in the criminal cases we investigated
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: and prosecuted, wouldn't pursued any leads they generated. We did not, however,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: locate any such videos. And then, just to top it off,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: another quote from this FBI Menmo quote, during the searches
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: of Epstein's New York residence and USVII residents in twenty nineteen,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: the FBI searched for videos and surveillance cameras. My understanding
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: from the case against is there were no cameras found
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: inside any bedrooms or living areas of either residence. Unquote.
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  Speaker 1: Now to translate this is really important because in order
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: to follow the chain of events, alleged events, or the philosophy,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: the theory behind how Epstein ran this operation, there's got to
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  Speaker 1: be video because with our video, you don't have the
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  Speaker 1: ability to blackmail anybody, at least not in a very
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: significant way. This whole thing is based on the theory
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: of Epstein blackmailing. The theory is he gets these rich,
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  Speaker 1: powerful men to come to Epstein Island, which by the way,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: there's not even evidence that this is where, you know,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: any of this transpired in theory, but regardless of where
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: it happened, you know, Epstein gets these powerful men. He
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: lures them with these underage prostitutes. He tape records it,
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  Speaker 1: and now I've got you, Now I've got you. Now
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do my bidding, which, of course
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: we already knew was ridiculous because if he had that
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: kind of power, whether it was over Trump or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: he never would have killed himself in prison, because there
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: would be hope one of these rich, powerful people would
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: have helped him out, because they don't want him to
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: spill the beams on him or release these videos. So
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: the videos are the videos were incredibly important to the narrative.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: Without them, all of this collapses. And and by the way,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: it also destroys the credibility of the conspiracy theorists. I've
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: seen this happen in so many different stories. I'm about
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more about my friend Matt Lower.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: You know, the key piece of the Matt Lower narrative
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: in the average person's mind is that they were sold
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: this bill of goods. That Matt Lower in his NBC
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  Speaker 1: office had a button under his desk that could lock
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: the door so that theoretically, like his victims, would not
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: be able to escape, which is always been a completely
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: ridiculous thing to think about, that Matt was just trapping
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: with in his NBC office and raping them in the
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: camp because the door was locked because he had a
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: button under his I just had this vision of like, oh, well,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a commotion in Matt's office, don't bother him.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: He's got his eleven thirty rape session. What kind of
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: fucking world do you think? We're limited? And even I,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: even I misunderstood the true story because I for a
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: long time thought that the button, which was real and
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: by the way, everybody at Matt's level at NBC had
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: this button, I thought that it locked the door from
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: the outside, but not the inside. It didn't even do that.
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  Speaker 1: Matt had to explain to me that it was just
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: a magnet that closed the door, didn't lock it from
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: the outside, didn't lock it from the inside. That's all
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: it was. But once that got put out there in
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: the ether, people just accepted that and in their minds, aha,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: we have the mechanisms for the rape operation. Well, the
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  Speaker 1: videotapes were exactly the same, I mean. And so this
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: is why it's dangerous when people buy into bullshit details
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: because then once they presume that to be true, then
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: they see reality through that distorted prison and all of this.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: And I used this last week, although I didn't think
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: I did a great job with it, so I'm going
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: to try it again this week. I've used the analogy
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: of Santa Claus to describe what's really happened here, and
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's a really good analogy or metaphor. I mean, basically,
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  Speaker 1: what we have here is the government, you know, was
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: investigating this guy, Santa Claus, up in the North Pole,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: North Pole Island, if you will, and they, you know,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: really did a rectal exam, theoretic figurative rectal exam. They
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  Speaker 1: got all sorts of information, they got all messages, they
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: got everything that could possibly imagine to figure out what
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: was really going on at the North Pole because they
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: heard about this this toy making operation and this scheme
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: to give every child in the world a toy in
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: one night, which seemed impossible, but they needed to get
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: to the bottom of it, and they end up arresting
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: Santa Claus, and Santa Clauses is just depressed and just
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: despondent about what a situation is, so he kills himself
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  Speaker 1: and Missus Clause gets implicated. That's glenne Maxwell and he
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: gets thrown in prison in a sham trial. And the authorities,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: they've investigated everything about the North Pole, and they found
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: no elves, and they found no toy making operation. You know,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: that would be the videotape apparatus that did not exist.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: They found some reindeer, but the reindeer could not fly.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: They did not find one reindeer that could fly. The
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: most prominent reindeer, Rudolph, turned out to be a lunatic,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: a liar. Rudolph was not trustworthy in anything that he
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: said at all. The Red Nose was total bullshit, and
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: then Rudolph ends up killing himself. And basically what we
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  Speaker 1: have here is, despite all this, the children of the world,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: the eleven twelve year olds who have now been told
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: there is no Santa Claus. We're sorry, we told you
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: that story. You were really deeply invested in it. It's
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: not true. Their reaction is no, No, it's absolutely true.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: It's one hundred percent sure. It has to be true.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: We were told it was true, we were invested in this.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: We want it to be true so badly, We so
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: badly want to have that public execution of elites. You
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: can't take that away from us because the truth doesn't matter.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a pretty darn good way of
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: describing what's really transpired here. And of course it's terrible
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: from the perspective of how broken the media is, how
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: broken our public discourse is. We're seeing lots and lots
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: of inner and people have their lives at least partially destroyed,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: their reputation is destroyed. It's just disgusting. It's very, very frustrating,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: and there's nothing in it, you know, going back I
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: started this podcast with you know, I get no reward
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: when I predict the super Bowl was exactly correct. I
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: would have been destroyed if I had gone in the
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: other direction. It's a similar dynamic here. I realize I'm
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: not an important person, but I still have to, at
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: least especially in cases involving sex abuse, I have to
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: be very very careful about the positions that I take
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: because if I'm ever wrong about one of these in
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: a demonstrative way, people are going to presume I must
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: be wrong about Sandusky. So I consider that in a
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: very significant way. So you know, I'm a little bit
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: more hesitant with for instance, Timothy Busfield. I waded into
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: that I was pretty ahead of the game, but not
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: nearly as ahead of the game as I might have been,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to wait and see. I didn't want
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: to rush to judgment because I can't afford to be wrong,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: because I know I'm going to get destroyed if I'm
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: ever wrong on one of these things I've been I
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: believe completely right on Epstein. No one gives a shit. Nobody,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: I mean nobody, I mean nobody. I've had members of
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: the media that I have been, for lack of better term, grooming,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: not to use that in the sex abuse context, grooming
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: on Epstein. For quite a while, major members of the media.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: I've been saying, guys, you got this wrong. Let me
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: explain this to you. And I believe have been totally vindicated.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Not one of them, Not one of them that's proactively
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: indicated anything like, hey, you got this right. Not one
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: And I think it's mostly because people don't want to
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: admit they're wrong, and also because a lot of these
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: people are still believing that Santa Claus this is actually real.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: And part of the reason why that is is because
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: this is a great story for the media. The clicks
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: to be had here, the ratings to be had here.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: The attention to be had here is still incredibly significant.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: If it wasn't, you know, I don't think Thomas Massey
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: or Nancy Mace, who's an attention whore, or Marjorie Taylor
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Green or Kanna or Raskin. I don't think any of
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: these people would be still on this This This is
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: a story that has an audience that needs to be
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: catered to, and so the audience is going to be
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: given what it wants. Truth be damned. Thanks for listening
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