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The Lying Game Part 2 and All the Vikings moves so far | TSH Ep. 129 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of the Skull App. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. Where's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer
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  Speaker 1: and talking about the Viking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah we do. And the Vikings off season just started
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  Speaker 2: off with a bang.
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  Speaker 1: Lots of moves coming out of Minnesota, Redman Hawkinson, so
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  Speaker 1: many more.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah we also we I think we're gonna lie to
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  Speaker 2: each other again a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah we we. We had some fun with the line game.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like I was a little bit stronger this
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  Speaker 1: time around.
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  Speaker 2: You may have won, but time will tell. Uh. And
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  Speaker 2: then this single speed beer was great. Maybe maybe a
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  Speaker 2: little fuzzy, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, wherever you are and whatever you're into, grab
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  Speaker 1: a cold one. Join us for episode one of the
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  Speaker 1: school app. School School. All right, we're gonna give a
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  Speaker 1: quick shout out to that's badass. What are they made?
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  Speaker 1: This piece right here? If you're watching us on YouTube
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  Speaker 1: or Spotify video, it's a little skull piece. It says
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  Speaker 1: skull with the cutout of the state of Minnesota in
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  Speaker 1: the letter. Oh it's pretty small, I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 1: about a foot wide. And several inches tall. Nice little
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  Speaker 1: piece to hang on your wall in the man cave.
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  Speaker 1: But they do so much more than just this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and if you go to their website, That's Badass Woodart
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  Speaker 1: dot com, you can see all sorts of different things
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  Speaker 1: that they've made, and you can order any of their
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  Speaker 1: kind of normal pieces that they regularly make. Some of
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  Speaker 1: them are sports related, some of them are pop culture related.
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  Speaker 1: But they'll also do a custom piece for you. We've
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  Speaker 1: got a custom piece in the works right now. We're
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  Speaker 1: getting this skull Hop logo emblemized in wood in three D.
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  Speaker 1: We're pretty excited about it. Oh yeah, hopefully it's on
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  Speaker 1: its way pretty soon. But we wanted you to know
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  Speaker 1: that if you want your own piece of wood art
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  Speaker 1: from That's Badass wood Art, you can go to their
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  Speaker 1: website and make sure you type in our code sko
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  Speaker 1: l Hop scholl Hop all one word and you can
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  Speaker 1: get ten percent off any in all orders. So make
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  Speaker 1: sure you do that and add to your man cave
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  Speaker 1: with some good wood art. Yeah, it's good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to get our piece. It's going
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  Speaker 2: to be the focal point of our schoolman center here.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think so that's badass.
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  Speaker 1: What are all right? We need to get into this
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  Speaker 1: beer here. This beer has been staring me in the
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  Speaker 1: face for a while.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting a little fuzzy just looking at it.
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  Speaker 1: I think you said that because it's called fruit Fuzzies.
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  Speaker 1: This is from Single Speed Brewing out of Waterloo, Iowa.
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  Speaker 2: We love a good single speed beer.
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  Speaker 1: We love good single Speed. We went there on the
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  Speaker 1: brew Hop two point zero with forest Good Place also
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  Speaker 1: brings back some good memories from our college days. It's
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  Speaker 1: a It is an Imperial ipa eight point what is it?
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  Speaker 1: Eight point six percent?
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  Speaker 2: It's no joke. You also just scared me because I
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  Speaker 2: have to my can and you like kind of swung
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  Speaker 2: your can around right there.
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  Speaker 1: I did tilt it a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Well in my brain, I was like, no, you just
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  Speaker 2: opened that, but I didn't know you didn't open it yet.
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  Speaker 1: I will read the description really quick while you pour
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  Speaker 1: years up. It says warm fuzzies. We all love them,
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  Speaker 1: fruit fuzzies. Prepared to love it too, Featuring notes of citrus,
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  Speaker 1: berry and stone fruit. This Imperial Ipa has been crafted
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  Speaker 1: to lift you up, just like a warm fuzzy would,
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  Speaker 1: So I get warm fuzzies. When we do the podcast together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I opened mine a solid minute or
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  Speaker 2: two before you did. You probably listeners probably heard it
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  Speaker 2: on the podcast there, And about two seconds after I
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  Speaker 2: opened it, I was hit with a wave.
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  Speaker 1: It's fruity of.
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  Speaker 2: Like citrusy haze, the just the aroma there. It's pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little intimidated by this one right now. It's
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  Speaker 2: Monday night, work night, school night, and I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you read it already, but you've given us an
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  Speaker 2: eight point six percenter there.
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  Speaker 1: I did say that a little bit ago. But you
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  Speaker 1: know we're only gonna have two of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're we're grown men. You know we can
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  Speaker 2: handle it. I would not advise having more than two
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  Speaker 2: and then driving home, and who knows. Maybe if you're
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  Speaker 2: a little lighter than me, which I you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not doing too bad in the weight category. If I
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  Speaker 2: do say so of myself, I can. I can throw
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  Speaker 2: a few back. But if you're, you know, not two
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds, maybe don't have two of these
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  Speaker 2: and then drive home. But I think I'll be all
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  Speaker 2: right tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Well let's uh, let me finish poor in this here.
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  Speaker 1: It's a it's been a slow burn.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and the aroma is really just causing us to
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  Speaker 2: want to have a hard.
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  Speaker 1: Poor and really get aromatic. Yeah, it's great, all right,
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  Speaker 1: let's do it all right, school school. I got mostly
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  Speaker 1: foam on that first sip, but it was good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it tasted great. I did get down to the liquid.
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  Speaker 2: That is for sure an Imperial I p A. There's
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  Speaker 2: no question about it. They definitely have a boozy aspect
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  Speaker 2: to them. Do I still have the foam? No, you're good,
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  Speaker 2: okay clean, It's really good though, that's hazy. It is citrusy.
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  Speaker 2: It is an eight point six percenter.
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  Speaker 1: It definitely has that boozy aspect to it, but the
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  Speaker 1: fruity aroma kind of takes over, honestly, like it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of masking the boozyness a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, And yeah, I'm really liking this. It says the
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  Speaker 2: the hops they're using our cashmere, Lotus and talus. Did
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  Speaker 2: you already read all that?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't make me hit by the aroma.
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  Speaker 1: I did not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a good solid Imperial I p A. Just
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  Speaker 2: if you know anything about Single Speed, you know that
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  Speaker 2: they're never gonna put out questionable beers. And this is
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  Speaker 2: another great beer on the long list of great beers
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  Speaker 2: that they put out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so thanks Single Speed. All right, Uh, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: play another game. We're gonna play a game that we
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  Speaker 1: played not too long ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, two episodes ago and something like that. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: been our schedule has been a little off. We've had
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  Speaker 2: life happen a little bit. And then we tried to
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  Speaker 2: record an episode, you know, a few days ago, and
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  Speaker 2: I apparently was underwater because that's what the audio sounded like.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, we're here now, so we are here. What
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  Speaker 2: game are we going to play? I've as you take
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  Speaker 2: a sip.
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  Speaker 1: I took a sip right as you said that. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna play the line game again. So I'm gonna get it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get our divider right here. We'll get this
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  Speaker 1: set up and then we'll play.
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  Speaker 2: There we go, all right, I think I need to
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  Speaker 2: move my computer so that the viewers can actually see
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  Speaker 2: the item that I have.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm gonna do my best to balance this year.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're watching us, you can see that we
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  Speaker 1: have put a divider up and it's uh, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a piece of art from my wall. But it works.
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  Speaker 1: It worked, and I'm just gonna adjust it here, just
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  Speaker 1: ever so slightly so it looks good on camera and
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  Speaker 1: also conceals everything that we're concealing concealed, don't feel, and
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  Speaker 1: we want to make sure that does. It doesn't just
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  Speaker 1: like spontaneously fall over. Okay, I think we're good, looks.
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  Speaker 2: We do need to turn the TV off though, our
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  Speaker 2: our monitor and the remote is over there. The remote
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  Speaker 2: is there, I will go grab that, okay, all right,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, we're all set up now. It's uh, it's
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  Speaker 2: probably super fun to listen to Evan and I. I
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  Speaker 2: think we're both ready to grab our items here.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, I'm gonna grab my first under the desk here,
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  Speaker 1: and like we did last time, we will draw out
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  Speaker 1: of a cup to determine if we have to tell
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  Speaker 1: a lie or if we have to tell the truth.
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  Speaker 1: So we are not deciding whether we lie or tell
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  Speaker 1: the truth. The cup decides or whatever. We draw out
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  Speaker 1: of the cup. Okay, so let me get the cup here.
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  Speaker 1: We'll mix these up real good. This is a school
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  Speaker 1: hot mug. I believe you can buy one on Tea
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  Speaker 1: public if you believe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's that's not just the only the only
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  Speaker 2: style there are.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. We've got shirts, We've got all sorts of merch.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the mug. Go ahead and pick out your slip,
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  Speaker 1: show it to the audience. Let me know when you're
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  Speaker 1: ready to go here.
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  Speaker 2: I did notice last time. I don't know if the
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  Speaker 2: audience could see.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll zoom in if we have to. All right,
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  Speaker 1: I got mine. There it is. Are you ready?
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready. All right. Do you want to start or
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  Speaker 1: do you want me to start?
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  Speaker 2: How about you start? I think I started last time.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I have over here on my side, as I
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  Speaker 1: moved some things out of the way. I have a
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  Speaker 1: bag of potatoes.
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  Speaker 2: A bag of potatoes, okay, ye, all right, I have
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  Speaker 2: and I have a lighter, A lighter, yes, I have
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  Speaker 2: a lighter.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, all right. Well, now now that we've revealed
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  Speaker 1: what we have, and we revealed if we are telling
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  Speaker 1: the truth or a lie, let's go ahead and ask
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  Speaker 1: each other some questions about our item, or have each
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  Speaker 1: other do something with our item to get some more clues.
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  Speaker 1: So why don't you go first? All right?
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  Speaker 2: What brand is that bag of potatoes?
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  Speaker 1: These are Idaho potatoes?
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  Speaker 2: Interesting? That's the brand name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I think so. Yeah, okay, all right, yep.
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  Speaker 1: Can you flick the lighter on for me? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Are you sure? That's a little dangerous?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I like to live dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: Are you ready?
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  Speaker 1: Hmm? Are you doing one more time? Is there an
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  Speaker 1: actual flame?
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  Speaker 2: I mean for a second. Yeah, I just don't want,
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  Speaker 2: you know, an open flame here in your basement.
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  Speaker 1: All right, that's fair. I appreciate safety. Okay, your turn, Evan.
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  Speaker 2: About are they all like about the same size potatoes?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Good, And I'm just gonna sneak another question. Are they
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  Speaker 2: like regular sized potatoes or like, what what sized potatoes
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  Speaker 2: are they?
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  Speaker 1: They're like between the mini like little potatoes and the
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  Speaker 1: big sized potatoes. They're like medium sized potatoes.
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  Speaker 2: All right, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Can you can you just tap the lighter on the
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  Speaker 1: desk for me? Okay, yep. Not super helpful, but.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I don't know how it would be, all right.
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  Speaker 2: The potatoes? Are they different colors? What colors are they?
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  Speaker 1: They're brown?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just regular brown, regular old brown potatoes.
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  Speaker 1: All right, yep, okay, yep, let's see. Can you for
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  Speaker 1: the camera? Not for me, of course, but can you
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  Speaker 1: hold your finger over the lighter and.
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  Speaker 2: Flick it, what like, burn myself?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, get as close as you can without hurting yourself.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I feel like this will be entertaining you ready, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: oh all right, all right, all right, all right, this
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  Speaker 1: is last round, last round.
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  Speaker 2: Here, hey evan, yep, go ahead and take a bite
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  Speaker 2: out of one of those potatoes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the bag is enclosed. Do you want me to
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  Speaker 1: open the bag?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like it's not that that terrible
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  Speaker 2: of an ask to have you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to like it's one of those net
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  Speaker 1: bags where you've got to like.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if it's here. I
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  Speaker 2: have a knife.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, give me your knife. I'll open
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  Speaker 1: the bag. It's fine, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, the knife is open, got it, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the knife. We'll open this up. Okay. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how to retract your knife, so I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: return it to you. Not sharp. There we go, and
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  Speaker 1: all right, yeah, all right?
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  Speaker 2: How does that taste there?
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  Speaker 1: Like a potato? It's pretty bland. I'd like some salt
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  Speaker 1: and butter on it or something. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I just wanted to make you take
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  Speaker 2: a bite of it since I had you take a
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  Speaker 2: what did I have you take a bite of the cereal?
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  Speaker 2: That the money that you said was cereal?
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  Speaker 1: Bag of change that's literally sitting over there still all right? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think? Am I telling the truth? Or
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  Speaker 1: am I telling a lie?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think you're telling the truth. Ev I
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  Speaker 2: think you've actually got some potatoes over there.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're telling a lie. Oh I don't think
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  Speaker 1: you have a lighter.
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  Speaker 2: Why why is that?
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  Speaker 1: I think you have a pen?
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  Speaker 2: A pen?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have a pen, and you've been
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  Speaker 1: flicking the little the little like do you.
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  Speaker 2: Have me to light it again?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, ready, yeah, no that's not a lighter.
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  Speaker 1: It's too quiet.
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  Speaker 2: It's a nice lighter.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I think, alright if you think I know what
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  Speaker 1: lighter it might be. But all right, should we reveal?
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  Speaker 2: Let's reveal, Evan, you go first.
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  Speaker 1: I do not have a bag of potatoes. I have
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  Speaker 1: a bag of oranges. But I think I sold it
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  Speaker 1: pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: You did, You didn't. I thought it sounded too plastic
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  Speaker 2: you to be potatoes. I have a flashlight.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well it's kind of a lighter.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I had to like hold it because if
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  Speaker 2: it had gone you probably would have picked up the
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  Speaker 2: double click.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well I did pick up that
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  Speaker 1: you were lying, so.
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  Speaker 2: All right I was correct ye and I was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: So you're you're winning so far?
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  Speaker 1: All right? I them number two? Do I want to
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  Speaker 1: get that out? Yeah? Yeah? All right? Mine's in the
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  Speaker 1: drawer here.
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  Speaker 2: Not pay attention? Do you do?
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  Speaker 1: All right? I have mine? You got yours?
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  Speaker 2: I do?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we got it. We got your truth lie. Here
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  Speaker 1: we'll mix these up. Okay, here you go round two
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  Speaker 1: of truth or a lie, or the lying game as
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  Speaker 1: it's known. All right, audience, here is what I have. There,
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  Speaker 1: you go. Did you show the audience what you have?
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  Speaker 1: I did?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you went first last time. I'll go
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  Speaker 2: first this time. Evan, I have a guitar capo.
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  Speaker 1: A guitar capo. Okay, that would make sense because I
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: told you to pick anything from this room, and this
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  Speaker 1: is my room. This is like my office, and I
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  Speaker 1: played the guitar and I have some capo's in here,
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  Speaker 1: so that makes that would make sense.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I would do you even have a lighter in
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  Speaker 2: your room?
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  Speaker 1: I think I do have a lighter in here somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: I do. I don't know where it would be exactly, but.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we'll let your kids find that later.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, or they can find the bottle and
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  Speaker 1: the lord.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, well at least they wouldn't like that. So
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  Speaker 2: all right, Evan, what do you have?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? I have a giraffe?
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, like a like a Okay, all right, Evan,
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  Speaker 2: is it it's like a stuffed animal.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. No, Okay, if you say you
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  Speaker 1: have a capo, is it a spring loaded capo or
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  Speaker 1: is it one of the manual ones? Because I have both.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the manual on the manual Okay, the night
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  Speaker 2: I think they're nicer.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, go ahead with another question for can.
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  Speaker 2: You like tap the giraffe on the table a couple
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  Speaker 2: of times?
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  Speaker 1: Sure? Here, I'm gonna move this Viking helmet, our school
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  Speaker 1: hot helmet here and do it on the edge of
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  Speaker 1: the desk so people can see it. Okay, man, there
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  Speaker 1: you go.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell me the brand name of the capo
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  Speaker 1: that you have?
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  Speaker 2: M this one? This one does not have a brand
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  Speaker 2: name printed on it?
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  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, because that manual one does have a brand name.
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  Speaker 1: On it.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm, And then I need you to think and really
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  Speaker 2: think if you have if there's a chance that you
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  Speaker 2: have multiple capos in this room down.
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  Speaker 1: Here, I have multiple cables. I have one manual one
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  Speaker 1: that's not spring loaded.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I hate to tell you there's there's no
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  Speaker 2: there's no brand name on this one.
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  Speaker 1: It's on there, it's engraved on one piece of it.
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  Speaker 1: Have you thoroughly examined it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got nothing. Maybe maybe you're thinking of a
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  Speaker 2: different one that I'm holding.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I might have just caught you in a lie there.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I'll see. All right, go ahead and ask me a question, all.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Right, Evan about how big is this giraffe?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, I can hold into my hand.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It's actually something that Raven and I got when we
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: went to Kenya.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: All that tracks, Yeah, I guess why about something that
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: would that would we.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Saw actual drafts in person? We went on a safari,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: So I've seen a draft in person. Pretty cool?
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Pretty pretty cool?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Yea?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right?
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Can you I don't know, it's gonna be hard for
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: me to hear anything, but can you like close the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: capo and open the capo a couple of times so
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I can hear how that works.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't really hear anything, but I did.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, last round of questioning here.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Is it like like a realistic little figurine of a giraffe.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, they're made of I think it's marble or
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: some sort of stone.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Yeah.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Can you just tap the capo on the desk? I
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, that's super helpful. All right, I
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: think you're lying.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Why would you think I'm lying?
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I can just tell by your voice.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: All right, And I think I think you're telling the truth.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you're ready to reveal.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Yep, I am lying. I'm not holding a capo. I'm
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: holding a little guitar man figurine.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Ah yeah, yep. I think my parents got me that
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I'm lying as well.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you said giraffe.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: It's an elephant, all right, all right, it's not a graftic,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: it's an elephant. So I watched some more of those
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: lying game videos that I sent you when we first
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: had the idea for this game, and uh, one of
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the guys that was on there, like manipulated the game
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: in that way, and he inspired me, and I was like,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: all right, well, shoot, I guess if we're gonna go that,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I'll just take this object and throw you off the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: scent a little bit. And that's what I did. So
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I do have a manual capo somewhere in here. It
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: does have a brand name on it. It's a shub
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: s Hubb. It's a shub Kpo. You gotta do your research.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I saw the capo sitting there and I'm like, oh, well,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I could grab this little figurine guy and then say
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: it's a capo and.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: It is a cool like, this is a cool little figurine.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: It's made out of like bolts and washers and nails
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and stuff. It's pretty cool. Yeah, just playing the guitar,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I like him. My elephant is also kind of cool,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: but not as cool as that. I guess.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got me though, you win. I also lied
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the first time. It told me that I had to
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: tell the truth, but I really wanted to say that
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I had a lighter.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure I have a lighter in here somewhere.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know where. Those of you that didn't know,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and I don't think we said this before we played
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: the game, but you didn't come prepared with items this time.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I just let you loose in this room and I
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: left for a couple of minutes and let you pick
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a couple of items, and I went upstairs and I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: picked a couple of items. So it worked. It was fun. Yeah.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: You know what else was fun of this is technically
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: a lighter.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I could have said torch, yeah, and then it would
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: have been like, hmmmm.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: It also doesn't work.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the batteries. Well you know why this doesn't work,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: just because my kids turn it on and do all
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: sorts of stupid stuff with it, and then they leave
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: it on and then the batteries die. So it has
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: batteries and that I can guarantee you. But they kids, man, kids,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: they don't know how to turn stuff off. All right.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Well, at the risk of having you start sounding like your.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Father, I've already done that once tonight.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah you did. We should. We should start talking about
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: the Vikings people. People came for the Vikings and we're
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: twenty minutes in.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Let's do that.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Here we go, all right, So free Agency kind of
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: started today recording Monday the ninth and at like eleven
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: o'clock Central time, the legal tampering period started, and it
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: started off with a bang. Tons of things happened around
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the league to a tongue of Aialoa is going to
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the Falcons. Suddenly, as I'm about to start saying all
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: these moves, my mind is blake and I can't remember
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: really really anything. There's been a few trades. I know
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: the Packers traded Rashan Gary to the Cowboys for a
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: fourth round pick. There's just been a ton of things happening.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: And the Vikings have made a few moves as well.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Really just one move, one signing. They signed a twenty
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: nine year old cornerback from the Sprig Steelers, James Pierre.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Early in the day front of the show, Brevin Bain
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: had tweeted, and I don't think he had like inside
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: knowledge or steam, but it was a good argument as
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: for why the Viking should sign Pierre, and that was
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: hours before anything was announced and anybody really knew. I
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: think it was just him recognizing that guy might be
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: available and he could be cheap. Two years, I think
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: eight and a half million bucks not a bad signing.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Apparently he's a good PF Pro football focus numbers guy,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: So that should be good in a room that needs
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of help.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's focus in on the Vikings specifically. You
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: already talked about James Pierre, but there have been some
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: cuts and some signings, free agent signings, vikings departing. So
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: let's talk about the departing Vikings first. Who's leaving yep,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about the Vikings that are staying
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and have been restructured, and then we can maybe end
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: by talking about who we hope the Vikings bring in
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and who's kind of projected to come in. But a
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: lot of cuts in the last week and a half
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: two weeks. Running back Aaron Jones. He was a shocker
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people, I think in some ways,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: but also made a lot of sense. He's getting older,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: we saw his production dip a little bit this year,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: he's been injured, and you've notoriously said on this podcast
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: since its inception that you don't pay running backs. So
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, as great as he was, as solid of
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the locker room presence as he was, he's gone. I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: don't think Hardgrave or Alan have gone anywhere yet, correct, Yeah,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: but they are essentially gone. Javon Hargrave and Jonathan Allen,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: which is kind of frustrating if you're a Vikings fan
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to think about the fact that they spent all this
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: money to bolster the defensive line and we got all
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: excited about it, and we're like, yeah, Harrison Phillips might
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: be gone, but man, we got these two studs in
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the middle now, and it's just like that didn't all right,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: It's it sucked in the season. They didn't really play
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: that well. And I'm not trying to like crap on
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: these guys individually, like I think they're good guys, good players,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: but they didn't they didn't produce the results. And I've
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: heard that Brian Flora's defense is hard for that defensive
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: tackle position to really adapt to.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: So there was the one tweet where somebody basically said, hey,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: if you're a defensive tackle, you're not going to really
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: get to the quarterback. You're not gonna get many opportunities
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: to get to the quarterback and the Brian Flores.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Because he's gonna he's gonna come on the outside, not
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: up the middle.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And Javon Hargrave like retweeted that, which apparently people are like, oh,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: he totally agrees with that, and yeah, maybe he's pretty
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: mad that he got let go. But then the rebuttal
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: immediately is what about Jalen Redmond. I think he had
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: six and a half sacks just this year, almost a
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: no name guy before really last year he started coming
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: on strong two. But yeah, I agree with you. Harg
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Grave and Allen, they seemed like they're you know, before
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: free agency last year, Quacy and Kevin O'Connell both were like, yeah,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: we need to bolster the interior line on the offense
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: and defense, and they made two big moves in free
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: agency on O line and then two big moves on
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: D line with harg Graven Allen, and then offense was
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Fries and Ryan Kelly. And then really the only one
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: that kind of worked out was Fries out of the
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: four of those guys, because harg Grave and Allen, I mean,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: they did okay, but not worth the mega money that
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: they got.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: And now Ryan Kelly has announced his retirement. So it
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: just seems like, and maybe maybe we're starting to get
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: down to that Quacy was the problem. Maybe it was
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a GM issue more than anything else, and this last
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: season was really the blame should be pinned on him
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: more than anybody else.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Now there is there's a caveat to that, because just today,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: like four or five former Quacy draft picks got pretty
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: big money. You got Ed Ingram signed re signed with
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the Texans for something like three years thirty ish million dollars.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Ryan Wright signed for like four years, fourteen million dollars.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: There's another couple of guys that had been drafted. Vederian
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Lowe got you know, a couple a couple of year contract.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: So former Quasy draft picks, not all of them, four
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: out of four drafts now have gotten re signed by
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: other teams. But an interesting caveat to that too.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got a handful of vikings that are
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: just gone and essentially could be picked up by any team.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: They're not gone yet. I think they're all going to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: be cut when the new league year starts on Wednesday,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: so they could really sign anywhere once once that new
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: league year starts a couple of days. So by the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: next time we talk, those four guys could be I
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: guess three guys because Ryan Kelly retired.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: But correct. Yeah. Oh shoot, by the next time we talk,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be so many more things. Hopefully that have happened.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but we could tell that.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: But you mentioned Ryan Wright signed for four years with
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the Saints for fourteen million dollars. Jalen Naylor was another
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: big one. And this one kind of came out late
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: this afternoon, early this evening, and I didn't even really
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: realize it until I was sitting at home on the couch,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: and he got paid, Like he's he's gonna get paid
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: quite a bit to go to the Raiders for three years,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: thirty five million dollars. That's a big contract for a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: wide receiver three who could probably be a wide receiver
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: too in a lot of other places, including Las Vegas.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, well, and I think Dustin Baker for
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the show. Dustin tweeted at some point earlier today that basically,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: as things sit right this moment for the Raiders roster,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Jalen Naylor is their wide receiver one.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Oh really, like.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: They may draft and sign other guys between now, and
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: maybe they already have since he tweeted that, But so
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: that may, you know, look a little bit differently by
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the time the season starts. But yeah, I mean, he
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: currently is there WR one, and he has shown flashes
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: of being okay, I think he's got one one hundred
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: yard receiving game. He's definitely had a few games throughout
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: his Vikings career that we're like, all right, this guy's
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: oh he made a really good catcher. Oh he's he's
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: pretty concern here. You know. He's also had times where
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, man, if he would have caught that
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: touchdown pass, the Vikings might have won today, Or oh,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: that wouldn't have been in an interception if he didn't
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: let it bounce off his hands, stuff like that. But
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: he's had kind of ups and downs, but more recently
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: he was mostly up, and I wish nothing but the
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: best for him. I would have probably been kind of
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: upset if the Vikings had signed him to that same
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: contract essentially eleven twelve million dollars a year, But that's
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: only because you're already paying Justin Jefferson something like what
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: thirty five forty a year. Jordan Addison, no matter if
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the Vikings are the one to pay him, he's going
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to be up for a new contract here in the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: next season or so. And both Addison and Jefferson are
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: obviously higher on the depth chart and better and higher
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: priorities to allocate money too than Jalen Naylor, but I
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: think he'll do good Vegas and yeah, no, no, ill
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: will and just happy for the dude to get paid.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Trey Tucker was the Raiders leading receiver this last year,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: started all seventeen games, had almost seven hundred yards, six
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: hundred and ninety six yards and five touchdowns. So he
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: was he was okay, but he's kind of a no name,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Like I don't I didn't know who Trey Tucker was
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: until looking him up. They do have Tyler Lockett on
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: the roster, but he's getting older. Of course he's kind
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: of entering Adam Thielen terror.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I kind of forgot it.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: But anyways, Yeah, you might be right, and Dustin might
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: be right that Jalen Naylor is the proverbial number one
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: going into Vegas for the twenty six season. Yeah, right, now,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: that would be interesting to make the jump from a
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: true wide receiver three, you behind Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: to now making the jump to wide receiver one. That's interesting.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: The Vikings have made it clear that they're willing to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: trade Jonathan Grenard.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yet certainly seems like if you scroll Twitter, and.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: It seems pretty likely that he's a goner, and truth
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: be told, it it would free up a lot of
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: cap space. I would like to point out, and I
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: think I said this a while back, I'm okay moving
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: on from Grenard because Dallas Turner has developed so nicely,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and I think that's maybe why Jonathan Grenard has emerged
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: as a trade candidate. I think there's some return that
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the Vikings can get for Jonathan Grenard if they put
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: them out in the open market, which would help them,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: and they're not going to lack a lot of production,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: especially with Brian Floreses sticking around and Dallas Turner developing
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the way he did. I don't see any reason why
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: we need to keep both of those guys. And if
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you take the younger one, who's still a little bit
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: mold the bowl and you know you can really, you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: kind of push him the way that you want to
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: go as a coach, I don't see why you don't
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: go with the younger guy. Not to say that Jonathan
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Garnard is a bad player. There are some people out
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: there that are saying Jonathan Garnard was the second best
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: player on the Vikings roster this last year, behind Justin Jefferson,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily disagree with that, but that comes
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: at a price, you know, and the Vikings are so
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: cap focused right now that they got to get under
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: this particular number. He'd be a good one to move
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: on from and you know, get out from underneath the
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: cap burden that he comes with and know that you
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: don't have to really sacrifice a whole lot of production
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: on the field by letting him walk.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, theoretically, I mean, I think it is
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: time for Dallas Turner to step up. I think, no
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: matter what, even if you know Grenard is still on
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: the roster, Dallas Turner has definitely proven that he's worth
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: more playing time. And you can only put eleven guys
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: on the field at a time. So like, if you're
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: gonna justifiably give Dallas Turner more playing time, then you're
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: gonna have to take off Jonathan Garnard or Andrew Vane
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Ginkle or safety to add another linebacker in there, and
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: you got to take off other good players. So and
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: that's assuming everyone's healthy and Turner is not playing for
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: you know, an injured guy, which happened this year. But yeah,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I think if I think it would only make sense.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: If the Vikings could get a decent haul, I would
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: think Grenard is worth a second round pick plus something else.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that plus is a sixth or a fifth
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: or a player or something like that. I would think
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Grenard is worth number two and somebody else or something else.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: So if they were able to get that, I'd be
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: okay with it, And honestly, for me right now, I'm
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: not cashing the checks. So if they kept Jonathan Garnard,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: it's not like I'd be upset about that either. Like
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: he's a Pro Bowl, a legit, you know, an actual
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: worthy of a Pro Bowl, NOD probole level player, and
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: it can only help to have a pass rusher that
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: is really good like that. So we'll see how that
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: works out. Scrolling Twitter, there's some people that seem to
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: be like almost reporting that the Vikings have, you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: more than just flirtatious conversations with other teams about Grenard,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: But as of now, nothing official and nothing really even
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: more than enough that we're going to say like, oh, yeah,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I saw this person said that, and I really trust them,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens there.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: And to be fair, just to kind of wrap up
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: the Jonathan Garnard thing like I'm pro Jonathan Grenard.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we all are.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I want the guy back if we can. I don't
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: know if they restructure him or what, but if there's
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: a way to get him back, let's get him back.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no reason why we can't be jealous
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: for Gink and Grenard and Dallas Turner all just terrorizing
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: these opponent opposing quarterbacks coming off the edge like that
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: just sounds awesome. From a defensive game planning standpoint, Brian
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Flores would like be licking his chops and just be like,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what down it is. It doesn't matter
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: who's tired and who's not. Like I got a whole
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: army of guys behind me that I can put out there.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: But again, I get it from the business side of things.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: You can't keep everybody. You can't have your cake and
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: eat it too in the NFL, and you kind of
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: have to pick and choose. And again, like I said,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I would stand pat on the younger guy who's rising
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: over the older guy who's pretty expensive and still really
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: really good. But I don't know, let the money go
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and put faith in your young guy.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: That's what I would say, another player that has been
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: restructured and seemingly is coming back, even though it seems
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: like a lot of Vikings fans are not happy about this.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: But TJ Hockinson, Yeah, he he signed a new deal.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: The logo, Yeah, the logo.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna pull up really quick what his his
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: new deal is worth. So before he signed this new deal,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I think he had two years left twenty six and
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven at a very high cap number, and
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: it just it was signed before his cheap shot injury
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: against the cheating Lions, and he just hasn't been playing
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: up to that contract. So people are saying like, hey,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: they can cut him and take a lot of dead money,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: but free up some cap space right now.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: And then some.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: People are like get him off the team, like we
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: hate this guy now, which I don't understand. I'm a TJ.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Hockinson fan. I'm biased. I'm really glad that he's sticking
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: around at least for this year. And you never know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: never say never on anything. If Hockinson were to come
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty six and be back to normal form,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I think he's twenty eight right now. In that situation,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: he'd be twenty nine entering the final He's entering the
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: final year of his deal now because with this restructure
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: they cut out I think about five million dollars of
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: salary and they totally ripped up the last year, so
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: he's only got one year on his deal now. But
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: he's poised to show that he's healthy again this year
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: and that he can get back to that all pro
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: form and then nothing is saying that the Vikings can't
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: sign him to a longer deal after this year. If
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: they want to, or if he's ready to move on,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: then ye that that happens all the time in the league.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Plenty of guys today were signed to new teams and
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: they were just ready to move on. So no matter what,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I'm happy TJ. Hockinson is back. Evan, how do you
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: feel about that move.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I've got mixed feelings. I'm glad that they restructured his
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: deal to make it a little bit more team friendly,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: and I think he was humble enough to see that
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: as well, like, hey, I get it, I haven't I
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: haven't been the same since my injury, and that's not
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: an excuse, but it's just the reality of the situation,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and so I'm grateful for both of those things. I'm
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: excited to see him back in purple. I think he's
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: a Viking through and through. Like and I think I've
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: said this before, and if I haven't, i'll say it
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: so that's on the record. I think TJ. Hawkinson will
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: go down as a Viking. I think he will be
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: remembered as a Viking. I think when his career is
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: all said and done, his years with the Lions will
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: mostly be forgotten and he will be remembered for wearing
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: purple more than blue. I still think he's got a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: shot at being maybe like a Ring of Honor candidate.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Could You'd have to do a lot in the later
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: part of his career, and obviously that injury set him back.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: But he's a he's a good player. He's a good guy.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: He's not one that you really have to worry about, like, oh,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: he's pulling some Dennis Rodman Jordan Addison type of stuff.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: You know, where is he? Why isn't he here? What's
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: what's he up to? Oh he's yeah, he using it
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: right like you. He's an Iowa guy. He went to Iowa.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: He grew up in Iowa, went to an Iowa high school.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: So like we've got that connection too, which is cool.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: So I'm definitely rooting for the guy. I'm not rooting
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: against him at all, and I definitely want to see
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: him as a Viking. But I think, I don't know.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I just think, like, again, when this is a business
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: and it's all about production on the field compared to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the dollars we're paying these players, right, it's the cost
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: benefit analysis that you have to do. Lately, the benefit
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: has been low and the cost has been high. So
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: he's one that I could see moving on from pretty quickly.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: So again, I'm glad they restructured his deal. I think
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: it sets the team and the player up really well
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: going in the next season, right, Like there's really no harm,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: no foul going in the next year. It's just like, well,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: all right, it's been great. Right, If he plays bad
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: this year, that's what it's going to be, like, well, thanks,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: best of luck. But if he plays great, it's we're
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: sitting here a year from now going like, all right,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: what do we gotta do to get TJ for five
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: more years? Like, let's get him through his NFL career
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: for the most part, and let's you know, see what
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: he can do from there, and I don't know, we
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: could be having a very different conversation than this a
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: year from now. I think it'll be one way or
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the other, though, I don't think it's gonna be this
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: wishy washy're like, well, I don't know. I think it's
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: gonna be Yep, he's done, or Yep, let's let's lock
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: him in for the rest of his career on a
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: basically a career contract.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. At the end of the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: twenty six twenty seventh season, we will there. I just
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: get this feeling that we won't have any question about
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: whether fans will want him back or whether they'll be
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: ready for.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Him to move on.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes I would, I would venture to say
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: most fans attitude about Jalen Naylor right now was like, eh,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: like it's fine if he moves on, like it's it's okay.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I think it'll will have a similar knowledge of what
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: we want for TJ. Hockinson at the end of this season.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: It'll be yeah, he he came back for one more
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: year and he didn't do anything, so it's time to
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: move on and it's an easy cutoff. Or it'll be
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: like crap, they need to figure out how to keep
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: this guy because he just had a thousand yards and
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: ten touchdowns. You know it'll be either or, and I
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: agree with you on that.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So again I come back to like, Yeah, TJ. Hockinson,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: great guy, great player. Do I want him back? Sure?
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: This year will be a kind of approve it year,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and if he proves it great, let's sign him for
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the rest of his career. And if not, I'm okay
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: moving on from him. No harm, no foul, no hard feelings,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: best of luck. You know, that's kind of where I'm at.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: He's he's kind of mid when it comes to current
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: tight ends right now. And I don't say that lightly.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Like current tight ends active tight ends, you have Travis Kelce,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: zach Ertz, George Kittle, Mark Andrews. Like you've got some
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: big names in the top upper echelon. I'm just going
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: off a Pro Football reference and they're av Hunter, Henry
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis, Evan Ingram, Dallas Goddard.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I mean that's just in their their careers up to
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: this point, correct.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, Austin Hooper, Tyler Higbee, TJ. Hokinson, right, like
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I think I named I don't know roughly ten names
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: eight nine ten names before TJ like he's comfortably mid
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and he's on the high end of that middle category.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: He's not a low end tight end. He's not like
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: bottom of the barrel, right, but he's not at the
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: top of the list either. So again, it's kind of
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: like it's one of those things where if you're the
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: GM or if you're the coach, what are you going
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: to fight for? And what are you going Where are
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: you going to put your money? Are you going to
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: put your money in a flashy tight end who might
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: get you some stats, or are you going to put
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: your money elsewhere where you might get a little more
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: banged for your buck. And I don't know. I think again,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: this year, great, We've got another year to kind of
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: figure it out with TJ. But we'll see what happens. Yep,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: And could be a very interesting conversation this time next year.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to him time. Will tell other guys
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: that were restructured or you know, extended or have new deals.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: The three guys that were exclusive rights free agents, so
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: those are the ones that basically they're three years in
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: the league or less with an expiring contract. These three
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: guys the Vikings. All they had to do was say, yep,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: we want you again, and then they're They're locked into
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: a one year minimum deal for twenty twenty six Bo Richter,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Jalen Redmond and Xavier Scott, and the Vikings decided they
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: wanted to keep all three of them. Now, that doesn't
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: necessarily mean they're guaranteed to make the team no matter what.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Even if their contracts are guaranteed, which I don't know
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: enough about that to know. If you know they're tender,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: contracts are guaranteed. But even so, they're all one million
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: dollar contracts, like maybe one point three something like that,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: a lower end contract as far as veterans go in
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the NFL. But maybe the biggest and most important Vikings
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: free agent Jalen Redman, defensive lineman Jalen Redmond. That will
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: be a conversation and maybe this this is a guy
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: that they could decide any time, Like we could get
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: a notification on our phone anytime, like, hey, yeah, they
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: tendered him or I don't know if tender is the
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: right verbiage, but they signed him again for twenty twenty six,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: But we could get notification anytime that, hey, they give
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: him a big deal because they're they're all eligible for
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: contract extensions and you know, raises and stuff. So I
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked if at some point they go to
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Jalen Redman and said, hey, we did the the we
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: tendered you, We signed you for the one year thing,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: but we also want you around for a while. It'd
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: be smart to do because they just got rid of
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the two big money defensive linemen that they signed this
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: time last year, and Jalen Redmond was the only one
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: that kind of proved himself and I think he's worthy
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: of it. So plus, the sooner you do something like that,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: the sooner they would decide to renegotiate with him, that
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: the cheaper he is gonna be, he's only going to
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: get more expensive, at least on the trajectory he's been
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: in his NFL career. He's just kept getting better and
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: better with the minimum opportunities he's had.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: So can I just share a stat with you that
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I just uncovered that blows my mind? All? Right? What
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: is it about Jalen Redmond? So two things. First of all,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: if you go to Pro Football Reference, we reference Pro
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Football Reference quite a bit.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Pretty much every episode A the.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Average value is it's basically or approximate value. Sorry, I
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: had to look at it. It's their attempt. It's Pro
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Football References way of attaching a single number to each player,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: and it's just basically how valuable are they to their team?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: So this first number blew my mind. Jalen Redmond has
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: been a Viking for two years now. His AV last
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty four was two. Okay, he made
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: a jump of eight, oh wow to ten. Yeah, his
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: AV was ten. Guess who else had an AVY of
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: ten this last season twenty twenty five, I'm cheating. Justin
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Jefferson had an AVY of ten.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, if you know anything about
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: that AV score, which ultimately is.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Arbitrary, it is arbitrary for me.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Sure Pro Football Reference puts some some formula into that,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: so it's not nothing. It's not just some dude sitting
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: there saying, I think that player is good, so give
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: him a twenty.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to equate Jalen Redmond quite to
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson yet, but like, I think that just goes
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: to show, like the dude made a jump from two
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: to ten in one season he's been in the league.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: For two years, and he's already made that jump, and he's,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: according to their formula, just as valuable to the Vikings
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: team as in twenty twenty five, at least in twenty
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: twenty five, just as valuable as Justin Jefferson was. And
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: we know Justin Jefferson had a down year. It wasn't great,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: But Justin Jefferson's highest av in his career was in
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two when he got a fifteen AV.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was the Offensive Player of the Year
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: that year.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: He was Yeah, he won all sorts of w Yeah.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: He played at an MVP level and had he been
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: a quarterback playing a similar level, it would have been MVP.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Jalen Redmond absolutely if he continues to play at the
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: trajectory is right now. This time next year we will
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: be talking about how we really hope the Vikings back
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: up the brink truck, because they're going to have to.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what DT one in the NFL's
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: salary is gonna be next year, but it's probably like
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: the highest paid defensive tack in the league a year
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: from now is probably gonna have an average annual value
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: of like thirty to forty million a year. Now, I'm
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: not saying that's gonna be Jalen Redmond, but he's gonna
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: be in the upper echelon of that. And that's why
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I say, the sooner they get him locked into a
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: long term contract, the cheaper it'll be. And again, I'm
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: the one that's always saying all these players should advocate
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: for every dollar. But also I'm a fan of my
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: favorite team and I want the best players on my
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: favorite team.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: And you have to work within the constraints that you're given.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: And that's what gms and coaches have to do. And
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: if the salary cap is a constraint, you got to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: figure out how to make that work right. And I
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: disagree with you. I think that the cap is a myth.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Well it is, but ultimately you got to pay every
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: dollar has to hit the cap sometime.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I'm a rule follower. So if you tell me I
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: have three hundred million whatever whatever the number is now
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is. If you tell
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: me I have three hundred million, I'm gonna take that
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: very literally and I'm gonna like follow that to a
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: t and don't I don't necessarily follow all of the
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: like Okay, well, we're gonna push this money to this
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: year and we're gonna have this void year here, and
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: like that just like confuses the crab out of me,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: and I don't really understand all of it.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: After we're done recording, with a piece of paper and
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: a pen, I think I can get you at least
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: to the level that I understand it, which again I'm
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: not an expert, but I think I've got a decent grasp.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I think should we just do this now? I have
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: a paper and a pen.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I feel like you need the visual, and I don't
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: know if the visual is gonna make it onto the podcast.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: We can put it on the podcast. I'll put it
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: on there. I'll put it on the video.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: How about this? We record the episode and then when
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: we're all done, then then we record like five minutes
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: of me explaining this to you, and then then we
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: can decide if we want to splice it in right here?
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, either you just heard me explaining the
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: salary cap to Evan for the last five minutes, or
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: you just heard us laugh and giggle for two seconds,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: which again is up to you. Even if what I
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: record for you, I do have.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: All the power like, I edit all the content. That's
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: my job.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Do it so well on air production, Evan, I appreciate
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: you for all of the editing you do.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: For this show. You do a great job.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Jalen Redmond, every Vikings fan should be jumping
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: for joy that we have this guy for at least
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six season, and hopefully, whether it's Rob
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Brazinski or whoever the GM is after this weird middle period,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: hopefully the decision makers at Bay do right by Jalen
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Redmond and lock him up for while.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: A couple other players we haven't talked about. Eric Wilson
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: re signed, Yeah, three years, twenty two and a half
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: million dollars. That's pretty exciting. He really emerged as that
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: linebacker that we needed. And I don't know. For me,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I think Ivan Pace is still very much a Viking
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and very much like, Yeah, I'm behind that guy, but
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: he he he saw a little bit of a dip
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: this season and he got benched. He lost his starting
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: job just outright, yep, And that's okay. But I still
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: have faith in the guy. I think he's he's still
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: a good player, and I hope to see some more
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: production out of him.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Well, and importantly, i've in pace he was. I can't
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: remember if I said this earlier when we were still recording,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: or if this was something we talked about pre recording,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: but Ivan Pace was tendered at the lowest tender level.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Yep, So I don't think you said that while we
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: were okay.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: So basically, the Vikings tendered him. He was a restricted
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: free agent, which means the Vikings had the right of
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: first refusal. They tendered him at the lowest level, which
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: means any other team can talk to him and negotiate
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: with him without tampering or breaking any rules, and they
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: can sign him to It wouldn't be a full on deal.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: It would be an offer sheet, and then that offer
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: sheet would get sent to the Vikings and it could
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: be for anything. It could be one year, five million dollars,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: or it could be ten years two hundred million. You know,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: it could be anything. And if the Vikings see that
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: offer sheet and they say, Okay, we actually do want
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Ivan Pace and we we're good with this deal, we'll
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: sign you to that, all they have to do is
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: say is say yeah, we'll do that deal. Or if
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: they don't want to do that deal, if they're like,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: all right, some other team is offering you more money
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: than we would want to They just say no, and
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: then iven Pace goes to that other team. Now, when
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: you tender players, sometimes there's compensation attached to that. So
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: if another team offers your player a contract and you know,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: you say I don't want to get that contract, sometimes,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: depending on what level you tender that player at, the
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: other team has to send you a draft pick or
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: something like that. The level they tendered ivan Pace at
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: was low enough that there would not be any compensation.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: But there's a really good chance ivan Pace will be
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: back with the Vikings this year on like a three
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: and a half million dollar deal.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: So that's it's it's pretty interesting how that's shaking out too,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: because like two years ago, we were sitting in this
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: exact spot, high fiving after he made some big sack and.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: He got game winning interception or yeah, the interception against
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: the Raiders.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like he was this super promising player and
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: he's he's had a little bit of a decline and
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: that's okay, that happens in the NFL. Some other players
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: that we've already mentioned but really haven't talked about with
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: restructures Justin Jefferson, Christian Darisa, and Byron Murphy. I don't
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: think we've really talked about any of those three yet,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: and you mentioned this to me the other day. I
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: think with all three of them, or at least maybe
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson and Darisaw, the players weren't even really involved
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: in the restructuring conversation. It was just kind of an
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: exercise that the organization put out there, like, Nah, we
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: can do this with your contract. It's in the language
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: of your contract, and we can execute this. I felt
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: like you explained that to me really well. I need
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: you to re explain that to me again.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: So this will kind of go back to if we
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: do splice in this little five minute explanation to the episode.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: So this might be a rehash, but basically, a team
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: can go to a player that has enough years left
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: on their contract and they can say, hey, your your
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: base salary for this year was supposed to be. Let's
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: just throw out a fake number ten million dollars. What
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: we're actually gonna do is make your base salary the minimum,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: so one million dollars, but that other nine million you're
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: still gonna get. We're just gonna change the name of
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: that money to a signing bonus, and when you do that,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: you can spread out those other millions into the rest
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: of the years that are still left on that player's contract.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: So rather than getting seventeen game checks divided out between
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: ten million dollars, they get right now in March one
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: check for nine million dollars because it's a signing bonus,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: and then throughout the season their game checks would be
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: reflective of one million, you know, their base salary. And
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: so what that does for the cap when we say, oh,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: the Vikings are fifty million dollars over the cap, if
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: they were to do that whole nine million dollar thing,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: that would put them over the cap by only forty
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: one million dollars, if that makes any sense. And if
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: they do that with enough players, then they can quickly
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: get under the cap without shorting anybody any money, without
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: cutting anybody, without you know, doing anything nefarious. But the
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: risk then goes to the team because then that player's
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: cap number in the future years is higher because you
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: have spread out that signing bonus. It's it's almost interesting
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: enough for a lot of people to care about, but
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: it's definitely boring enough for most people not to care about.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: But either way, it's a it's a tool that these
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I think really any professional sports team with a salary
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: cap can use to basically fudge the numbers in a
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: very legal and non nefarious way. Everybody still gets paid
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: the amount that they should get paid, just how those
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: dollars look and how they sit under the salary cap.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: So I have two questions for you. Yes, Number one,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: do you think that the Vikings post quasi are handling
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the salary cap and all of this well? Because the
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Vikings are notorious now for not hiring a new GM
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: going with Rob Brazinski. It's a hard name to say,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Rob Brazinski, who's like the president of football Operations or
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: something like that. I guess like that's his official title.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but they were pretty like convinced, and
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I think this was I don't know if it was
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: ownership or what, but it sounds like ownership and other
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: stakeholders were like, now, we're not going to hire a GM.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Until after the Yeah, the ownership.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Yep. Do you think that the handling of everything so
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: far has been good? Let's start with that because I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: need to look up one other thing really quick. Well,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: your answer to that question.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: So so far, I mean, there haven't been too many
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: opportunities publicly for fans to know, Oh, Brazinsky's doing a
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: really good job or oh he's doing terribly. We haven't
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: had the draft yet, we don't know exactly how the
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: draft is gonna work, if it's gonna be where Brazinski
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: is the true interim GM, so he's the one. The
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: way I understand NFL gms to work is they have
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: scouting departments and coaches and everything, and when they make
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: they do something like make a draft pick, they may
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: take insight from everybody scouting, coaching, everything, and then ultimately
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: they're the ones to make the decision to say, yes,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I am going to trade up from the eleventh pick
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: to the tenth pick, and yes I am going to
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: draft JJ McCarthy, and I'm doing that because I feel
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: like it's a good idea and all the information I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: have from everybody else. But in that scenario, the head
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: coach could say like like I do not want this, dude,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: do not draft Kellen Mont, And then the GM says, no,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: you know, what's the third round? I'm gonna draft Kellen Mont?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if that is the way Robrazinski's
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: role is working right now. I think he is being
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: given that kind of end all, be all power by
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: the owners right now, and he very well may be
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: hired as the full on GM after the draft when
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: the Vikings ownership says that they're gonna then look for
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: a new GM. But for all we know, it is
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: like a collaboration between Roberzinski, Kevin O'Connell, the offensive and
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: defensive coordinators. Maybe an ownership I don't know how that's working,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: but as far as we know right now, it's not
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: like he's come out and traded away Justin Jefferson for
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: a seventh round pick, like immediately we would be like
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Roberzinski's terrible, like what are you freaking doing? Or he hasn't,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: you know, signed a thirty five year old running back
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: to a fifty million dollar deal, like he hasn't done
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: anything egregious. It's like, oh my gosh, the draft will
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: be very telling and honestly, free agency, we're almost twelve
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: hours into free agency at the time of recording right here.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Free I say free agency, it's the tampering period, and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: the Vikings have made one signing of a player that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: wasn't for the Vikings already in Oh crap, what's his name?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: I already forgot his name? Pierce Pierre, James Pierre? Is
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: that who?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: It was? Something like that.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, we really should know that because that's like
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: the biggest piece of news that's happened for the Vikings today.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: So yeah, to answer your question, it's too early to
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: tell if Rob Brazinski's doing a good job. I will
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: say he was put in this role because he's been
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: with the Vikings for something like twenty seven twenty eight years,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: and he's always been highly touted as someone who is
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: an expert on manipulating the cap and working player contracts.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: And as far as I understand, no matter who the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: GM has been throughout his entire tenure, Brizinski's Rix Bielman
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: and Brazinski would work together. They would say, yes, we
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: do want to sign Kirk Cousins. It's going to take
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: a guaranteed deal. And then together Brazinski and the GM
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: would sit down and figure out how to work the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: cap in a way that they can maximize the value
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: of the cap dollars. So, and this is why he's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: the INTERIMGM. If anybody is going to be able to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: make the best deals. Whenever the team decides they want
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: to sign a player, it's Rob Rizinski. So if they
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: are restructuring people, when when they sit when the Vikings
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: say they've restructured TJ. Hockinson. As of right now, everything
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: I know about Brazinski, I'm totally on board. And I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: know maybe it costs a little bit more in the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: long run, but it was a good deal. And that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: tells me the coaches wanted Hockinson there as well, because
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: they could have just said, yeah, we're just gonna cut
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: this guy when they let Jalen Naylor walk. That means
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Brazinski has said, yeah, we're not going to pay him
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: twelve million dollars a year. So good for the Raiders
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: for doing that. But had the Vikings paid him five
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: million and he would have agreed to it, I'd have
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: been heck, yeah, on board. But yeah, as of now,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I think Vikings fans should be comfortable with Brazinski running
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: the team, and time will tell if that's accurate.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Can I put you on the spot do it? Bit good?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: After I just talked for eight minutes.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you at all about Rob Brazinski.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: And I think time will tell you just said, and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm optimistic. Yeah, I think he's got a
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: lot of experience, and I think, honestly, i'm optimistic with him.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I think he'll prove that he belongs as an NFLGM
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: and he'll pretty easily merge into that position. I don't
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: expect anybody else to take that role within the Vikings
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: organization right now, but I want to go a little
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: bit of a different direction with salary cap, maybe one
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: that we hadn't even really talked about before. And if
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: you don't want to talk about this, let's go. I
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: I'm no expert, but I'll give my thoughts and opinions.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: And it's not even really statistical. It's a little bit
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: more cultural. Jalen Rose and NBA player, a basketball player
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: who's an NBA, Yes, ESPN personality. He came out this
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: week saying, and it's Monday, but I mean it was
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: like I think it was like today or yesterday or
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: two days ago, something like that. He came out and
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: made a claim, a pretty bold claim in my opinion,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: that the salary cap in African American dominated sports like
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: basketball and football is a residual of slavery. I don't.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I don't like. I read that headline and I just didn't.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do with that, And I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: don't know is that fair game? Should we talk about
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: that or should we? Like?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's been a few times in my memory
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: of sports that the idea of slavery has come up.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: And I'll just start off right off the bat. You
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: and I are thirty five year old white dudes.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Context is important.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: In Iowa, drinking beer in upper middle class families that
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: have grown up in upper middle class maybe even better families.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: So take everything we're about to say with all of
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: that knowledge, we should not be commenting on slavery. However,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just no. I'm thinking back to a time I
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: think it might have been Adrian Peterson had some quick
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: quote that was something about something to do with contracts
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: and slavery, and I think he even quickly walked back
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: on that. Somebody can comment and remind us exactly what
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: he said. I don't know what who is at Jalen Rose?
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Is that Jalen Rose?
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what his full quote said. I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: don't know what the conversation was, Like, I don't know
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: his intent.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: His comments basically said the salary cap, capping the salary
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: of players period, I think, but specifically African American players,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: is a residual of slavery. Is that is what he's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: been saying in the last week.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: That's that's tough. I will say, I think the intent
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: of the salary cap is to level the playing field
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: of the NFL and keep competition as fair as possible
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: because theoretically every team has the same amount of money
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: to spend and the same amount of the same rules.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: As far as restricting number of players on a team,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: there's there's no rule saying that a certain position. There's
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: like I said, I guess what I'm saying. There's no
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: rule saying that a quarterback has to make more than
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: a punter. There's no rule saying that a punter can't
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: make one hundred million dollars a year. That'd be super dumb,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: and the Browns will probably do it sometimes. But there's
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: also definitely no rule or regulation or even unwritten rule
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: saying a white player should make this percentage more than
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: a black player. You could argue, I mean, I think
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: the league has shown that it is very color blind.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: It has no problem employing the biggest, fastest, strongest players
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: regardless of their ethnicity or upbringing or anything like that.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: I'll just say I disagree that the salary cap is
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: a residual form of slavery. You're talking guys are being
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: paid very well, They're very well compensated, and at least
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, I don't think we're seeing owners
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: or gms or anyone having an issue paying anyone based
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: off of their ethnicity.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would wholeheartedly agree with that, and I would
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: actually take you one further and I would say I
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: think the NFL has the best structure in terms of
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: salary gap and anything involving player compensation. I will admit
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know a ton about baseball, hockey, basketball at
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: the professional level. I don't know how all of that
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: is being governed and how that is being restricted. I
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: do know that basketball has a salary cap. The NBA
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: has a salary cap. I think the NHL also has
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: a salary cap.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah, I think baseball is pretty wide open.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I think baseball is pretty wide open. I think the
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: MLB is like basically the wild West of pro sports
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: at this point when it comes to player compensation, and
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I'll quote Moneyball, but only for a second. You got
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: you got the rich teams, and you got the poor teams,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: and you got fifty crack. And then there's us. That's
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Billy Bean's line from talking about the Rays, right, the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Oakland A's, the Oakland A's who are now going to Vegas.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: They've abandoned ship on the Oakland area. But all of
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: that aside, I think the NFL offers the most structure,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: at least that I'm familiar with. And we're an NFL podcast.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: We don't we do not follow the other sports. I
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: don't know how the NBA or MLB or the NHL
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: does their stuff.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: I know the NBA there's rules about you can pay
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: homegrown players like players you drafted either more or give
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: them contracts longer than any other team is able to
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: offer them. There's there's a ton of rules. I feel
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: like the Hill has a very fair structure as far as.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: And I like the structure. I like the structure, and
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's okay for right now in the NFL.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: And don't get me started on college sports and in
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: al and every yeah, the NIL and all that, there's
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: actually a really interesting roundtable that the president held. Nick
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Saban held was pretty vocal in that round table with
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: the President this last week, which I thought was fascinating.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: And I listened to a few sound bites from that
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: round table, which was again just kind of eye opening
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: and like interesting. I'll listen to this. You know, I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: think college sports has a lot of work to do
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: in this department, and if they're going to be if
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: they're going to monetize what they do, I'm all for it.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: I love college sports. Our team, our our college team,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Northern I, You and I basketball. We're going to the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Big Dance first time in ten years. And they won
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: the They won the conference tournament as a sixth seed
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: first team. I just got to take a minute to
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: back on this because this is this is this is fun.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: First team ever in conference history to play for four
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: days and win the whole thing. That's the first. They're
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: the first team ever. It was pretty special. This this
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: group of guys. I followed this team. I had season
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: tickets four years ago before I moved back here. I
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: love this team. I watched this team pretty like as
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: soon as Vikings football is done, I'm checking into you
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: and I basketball, like that's that's my next team. January
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: through March pretty much, and usually by this time in
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: March they're done in because the conference tournament is over.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: But to see them continue to play is exciting. And
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: I was super excited on Sunday when they won the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: conference championship. It was some they got the automatic bid
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: to the big tournament, the Big Dance.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: They're going to be like a what eleven or twelve
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: seed or something like that. Maybe maybe a little.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Bit, it seems it seems optimistic to be eleven or twelve.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: I could see them being a play in eleven seed.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: They do that play in around. I could see them
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: being that or slightly lower. I don't know. It'll be
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  Speaker 1: interesting to see what happens. But anyways, college basketball, college
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: sports in general, football too, has a lot to figure
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: out with NIL, and they're in this weird interim phase
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: where it's just like we don't know. Like I don't
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: think the NCAA knows, I don't think schools know, I
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: don't think the players know. I think ten years from now,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: we'll be sitting here with a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: clearer structure of this is what it looks like for
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  Speaker 1: kids to go to college play sports, earn money to
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: play sports while they're in college, knowing that only a
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: very very small percentage of them will go on to
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: play professionally.
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  Speaker 2: Well. And I think eventually there will be some form
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  Speaker 2: of a salary cap, some version of a salary cap
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  Speaker 2: in college sports, correct, And I don't know what that
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: will look like, And there will obviously have to be
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: different rules for I mean, the biggest levels of college
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: football versus the smallest levels of college water polo. But
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  Speaker 2: at some level there's gonna have to be some rules,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Well, and it's a sport by sport thing. Yeah, So
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: a friend of the show Blue he commented on my
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Facebook post when I was like yeah you and I
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: woo woo. Yeah they made it. You know, they're going
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: into the tournament. He was quick to point out his
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: North Dakota State Bison.
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  Speaker 2: Where they also won.
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  Speaker 1: There were we're conference champions and got the automatic bid.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's a sport by sport thing because North
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Dakota State isn't Division one and everything.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Well, and they just hit the news for they're going
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: to jump up to football in Division one.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: That's true. They were one Double A or FCS and
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: just dominated for the last decade well, and it's been
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: plus North Dakota State and South Dakota State, which is
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: my parents alma mater. Those two have dominated FCS football
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: for probably basically since we graduated college until now. So
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I think college sports are in for a really interesting
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: ride and there may be some changing of the guard
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: in terms of like Division one, Division two football. You've
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: got FBS FCS, right, and we're not really a college
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: football podcast, so we're not gonna maybe spend a ton
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: of time digging into that. But like, I don't know,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: this whole concept of compensating athletes for playing a game
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: is permeating not just pro sports. I mean that's been
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: established for one hundred years before we were even alive,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: but now it's permeating the college game. And it could
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: even get down to the high school game where I'm
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: a coach and that like that could affect me down
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: the road, like well shooting, Now, we got to figure
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: out how to play these high school kids for playing
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: these games, you know, like putting their bodies on the
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: line and you know, showing up every day for practice
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: just to go out and you know, get money for
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: ticket revenue and whatever for their school. You know, that's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: that's maybe down the line, I don't know.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: To get back to your original question, and at the
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: risk of getting myself in trouble for whatever reason, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. They're definitely throughout the history of you know,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: organized sports, there definitely has been racism involved in every
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: sport throughout history, and certainly racism is not completely gone
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: as far as the world is concerned, and definitely as
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: far as sports is concerned. However, I think maybe the
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: least racist and most fair aspect of at least the
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: NFL would be this salary cap. I mean, it's the
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: most unbiased thing. It's it keeps everybody honest. And I
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: admit I have not listened to and heard the full
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: quote with the full context of Jalen Rose's comments there,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: and I should go back to it, but without diving
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: deep into research and everything like that, I feel like
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: the salary cap, of all things, is the least worrisome
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: part of the NFL. It's just something that needs to
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: be manipulated and figured out for every team at every position,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: every year, no matter what. It's just every dollar has
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: to be accounted for. And I don't I don't think
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: racism or certainly slavery comes into that idea.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't. I don't necessarily disagree with you
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  Speaker 1: for all of the reasons you've said, and we definitely
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: kind of got off on.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: A rat talk about stuff like that, though.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: But I would say, like two, if if we are
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: going to put a salary cap on NFL franchises, the
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: question then remains, what can these franchises spend their money
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: on if they're making more money than other than other teams.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: If I can't spend my money on players, if I'm
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: capped at three hundred or three hundred million dollars, let's
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: say if that's my salary gap, which I think the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: NFL salary cap.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Is pretty down close twenty twenty six, it's like three
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: h five or something something like that.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: If I can't spend really any more than that, what
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: can I spend my money on if if if you
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: tell me I can spend three hundred million on players,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: but I have one hundred, not one hundred, not if
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I have a billion dollars. Let's say I'm terrible and
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: terrible with my numbers, but let's say I have a
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: billion dollars. What can I spend my money on, well,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: I can improve my stadium, I can improve my management staff,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I can improve X, Y and Z about well, yeah,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: everything else. I can bring in the best coaching that
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I possibly can. I can keep Brian Flores around and
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: make him the highest paid defensive coordinator of anybody, because
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: there's no salary cap on coaches.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. Yeah, as far as NFL teams are concerned,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: the salary cap only pertains to rostered players. If teams
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: can spend whatever they want on stadiums, on practice facilities,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: on dining services for their players, on whether or not
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: they have their own plane for players to travel in. Like,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: the teams can spend anything on just about everything else.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: It's just to.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Level the literal playing field. The salary cap applies to players,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: and who knows. I mean, I don't think it's an
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: issue now, but if it ever became an issue, I
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: could see maybe extending this salary cap to coaches as well,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: because you're right, I think there's I don't know for sure,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: but from things we've heard over the years, it sounds
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: like Brian Flores is very well compensated and he's definitely
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: one of, if not the highest paid coordinator in the league,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: and for all we know, which we don't, We don't
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: have any details, but for all we know, there's a
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: chance Brian Flores makes more dollars then per year than
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: some head coaches in the league, and which that would
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: be kind of crazy, but still it's not crazy to
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: think that a team that values their defensive coordinator enough
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: would say, I don't care if the Titans are paying
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: their head coach three million dollars a year. If it
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: costs four million dollars a year to keep Brian Flores
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: and keep our team as competitive as possible, we're gonna
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: do it. And of course I just totally made up
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: all of those numbers, But yeah, the salary cap only
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: applies to players, and I'm a fan of leagues that
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: make the playing field as even as possible. It's one
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: of the reasons I'll never be a baseball fan is
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: that if the Dodgers have a billion dollars a year
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: to spend on players and the Twins only allocate one
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars a year to spend on players, You're
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: never gonna have a chance if you're the Twins, you know, like,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: and again I just made those numbers up. But it
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: seems like that too, Like there's a reason the Yankees
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: have upwards of thirty championships, Like they're notorious for spending
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: all the money, and at least in the NFL, every
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: team has as much opportunity as far as they can control,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: as far as ownership and GMS and stuff like that,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: to put to field a good team every year as
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: every other team. It's just you have to get lucky
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: with draft picks and you have to have a really
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: good scouting department. You have to do the work to
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: put the best team on the field, not just buy
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: the best team on the field.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I like about beer. That's a hard
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: corner turn, hard right there, hard corner turn. You know
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: what I like about beer, though, is I can go
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: to the store and I can get a four pack,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: six pack, sometimes even the twelve pack for roughly the
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: same price. Roughly it's gonna fluctuate a little bit. Like
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: some of the better beers, you're gonna pay a little
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: bit more.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: And some of those four packs are twenty five dollars.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: I have never purchased a four pack that's worth twenty
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: five dollars. Never in my life. This four pack that
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: I bought tonight was not that expensive, but that's what
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: I like about beer. This was fourteen fifteen dollars and
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: this beer was really really good, really good. And there's
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: no salary cap on beer. Let's just well, just land
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: the plane right there. It was a little bumpy on
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: the on the approach, but we landed it. There's no
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: salary cap on beer, my friends, and this beer, this
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: beer was really good.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: I really liked this beer. It's definitely a heavy hitter
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: ac IPA. Usually after two sixteen outs beers, I might
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: I might start to get to the point where I'm like,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: all right, my cheeks are a little warm right now.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: This one.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: While I am perfectly fine to drive home here in
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit, I definitely am noticing more this beer
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: then I do most other beers. So and it tastes great.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: After two of these, I'm still gonna wake up tomorrow,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: you know, and go to work and feel perfectly fine.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Would I have two more? No, I think two is.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: Perfect at this stop here, we'll stop here. If we're just.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Talking about flavor, i'd have ten more. But the content,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: you know, you're just gonna be more mindful of it
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: and you just have to have to know that about beer.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: It's like a Jalen Redmond thing, like, man, he played
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: great this last season, but where you could you could
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: pay him a ton You're not gonna pay him.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: A ton O. I don't have to pay him anything.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: He's young. We're gonna pay him less. He's actually like.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Twenty six as far as a guy that's looking at
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: a second contract.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, we're gonna pay him less
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: because he's young. That's what you said a little bit ago.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: We're going to drink less because because it's good and
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: it hits the spot, and that's what we needed to do.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:26:04
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• 1:26:08
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• 1:26:09
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• 1:26:12
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• 1:26:15
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• 1:26:19
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• 1:26:22
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• 1:26:25
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• 1:26:28
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• 1:26:32
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• 1:26:38
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• 1:26:45
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• 1:26:55
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• 1:27:00
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• 1:27:10
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• 1:27:13
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• 1:27:15
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• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: All Right, man, this this was a long one, but
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: a really good episode and a really good beer.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: I really thought, yeah, it might be the best episode yet.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: School School.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: I think I think, I think I think I think
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  Speaker 2: I think I think I think I think I think
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  Speaker 2: I think I think I think