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Feminist Movie Friday: Bride And Prejudice · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and smitha welcome to stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: never told you production, I heard you, and.
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  Speaker 2: We are back with another wonderful retelling of the Jane
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  Speaker 2: Austin classic of Pride and Prejudice, but with an Indian
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  Speaker 2: Bollywood twist for our monthly feminist movie Friday, and that
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  Speaker 2: is Bride and Prejudice b as in Boy Bride and Prejudice,
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  Speaker 2: directed by bend It like Beckham's director Grinder Chada, who yes,
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about before because I love bend It. Like Beckham,
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  Speaker 2: I believe it was one of our first movies. Right,
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  Speaker 2: it was early on. It was early on, uh real,
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  Speaker 2: like within the first year of us doing it.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to say, we've been doing this a while,
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  Speaker 1: but it was in the scheme of things early. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but this was our first Bollywood movie. Though.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's true.
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  Speaker 2: This is so and even with this being more Bollywood
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  Speaker 2: than the other stuff, it's still not pure Bollywood. I
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  Speaker 2: need to put that as a preface because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like to say this is pure Bollywood is not giving
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  Speaker 2: the credit to the true Bollywood films with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of like straight Punjabi and Hindi language and culture within it.
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  Speaker 2: This definitely mixes in a lot more like westernized.
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  Speaker 3: Ideals, but it's still great.
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  Speaker 2: And I will say I had to give Annie a
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  Speaker 2: warning because I kind of forgot how musically inclined because
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  Speaker 2: Bollywood in its natural especially in this timeframe era, what
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  Speaker 2: had a lot of musical breakouts. I know, like Slim
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  Speaker 2: Dog Millionaire was an Indian film that didn't have that
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  Speaker 2: same play because it was a lot darker and it
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  Speaker 2: was lot like heavier until the very end, which.
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  Speaker 3: Still I love that movie or that ending alone.
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  Speaker 2: So this is definitely that rom com, typical upbeat type
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  Speaker 2: of movie for Bollywood culture.
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  Speaker 3: So put that out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you don't know, hey, it is a
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  Speaker 2: pleasant surprise for many people.
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  Speaker 3: If you like musicals, this is great.
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  Speaker 2: And this is one of those that I associate with
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  Speaker 2: my love for not saying that this is cheesy cheesy,
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  Speaker 2: but like any kind of rom com like this can
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  Speaker 2: be cheesy, but I feel good movies. And I kind
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  Speaker 2: of forgot again that it does very much heavily lean
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  Speaker 2: towards like the Bollywood influence of a musical film. When
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  Speaker 2: I suggested this, I knew it was Bollywood, but it
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  Speaker 2: realize how Bollywood that sounds odd, I know, but it
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  Speaker 2: was I was like, oh, they do break out in song.
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  Speaker 2: I knew there were songs, but not this way. So
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of singing and lips.
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  Speaker 3: To be had. It's kind of funny to me, how Like.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure some of the leads that were lip
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  Speaker 2: syncing they had different musicians doing the songs, so it
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  Speaker 2: was noticeable to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the turn of their voice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the pitches were different. I'm like, wait, what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: But it's still lovely and it was still fun. And
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  Speaker 2: we've got some great stars and cameos in this one,
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  Speaker 2: including the main character, Ashiri a Ra as Leida Bakshi.
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  Speaker 2: She is she was actually in this world of nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety four and a global star, like if you see
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  Speaker 2: her face, you know her face. She has plastered in
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  Speaker 2: so many advertisements and she's kind of been like a
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  Speaker 2: gold standard and beauty of India, like she represents.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of that.
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  Speaker 2: And then we have a Game of Throne star Indira
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  Speaker 2: Varma as Karen Upal Or Bingley, who you will remember
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  Speaker 2: as Elia sand if you all remember, thanks Aliyah, because.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, who is that?
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  Speaker 2: And my partner came downstairs was like, hey, came with
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  Speaker 2: the Rooms, so he knew immediately, and then we have
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  Speaker 2: lost Star Navigne Andrews was about baladaj j Paul again
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  Speaker 2: mister Bingley, and then Alexis Bludell from Gilmore Girls as
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  Speaker 2: Georgina Darcy. So you have a lot of like cameos
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  Speaker 2: of like, hey, I know that person, Hey, I know
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  Speaker 2: that person. Not surprising because again Chada already had that
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  Speaker 2: kind of connection in the industry, so especially with the UK,
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  Speaker 2: so she was bringing she was bringing them in.
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  Speaker 3: As he would like.
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  Speaker 1: To say, I think is that it's Martin Henderson is
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  Speaker 1: in there too. Yes, I don't know who he is.
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  Speaker 1: I know he's from The Ring.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Martin Henderson from The Ring.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, I don't know if he's global like you,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: But he's he's more stuff than you think. But I
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  Speaker 1: remember I was watching it and I was like, the Ring,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the guy, and it was you nice.
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  Speaker 3: You usually don't connect, but you did.
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  Speaker 2: It's one I didn't know because I don't I didn't
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  Speaker 2: watch The Ring that much. Apparently outside of Naomi wats
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  Speaker 2: the thing right outside of her all right, although just
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  Speaker 2: recently I always referred to as the ring Ghost, which
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  Speaker 2: I had to be like, you know, the American version,
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  Speaker 2: she's not Asian, so how dare you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true right right?
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, moving on, so for the plot, we do have
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  Speaker 2: the Indian version of the English classics, so just to
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  Speaker 2: keep everyone on the same page, the names are different.
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  Speaker 2: So Elizabeth is Lalita, Jane is Jaya, Lacky is Lydia,
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  Speaker 2: and then Bennett is Bakshi, Bingley is Oupal, and then
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  Speaker 2: Charlotte Lucas is Chandra a Lamba, and the cousin mister
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  Speaker 2: Collins is Kohli. And we have the mother to Darcy, Catherine,
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  Speaker 2: who is replacing the character of Lady de Burgh, So
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  Speaker 2: no Lady de Burgh, and the mother is alive and
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  Speaker 2: well also we don't have the second youngest sister who's
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  Speaker 2: all so just as like Flighty as Kitty in the
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  Speaker 2: original version. So there's only four daughters instead of five,
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  Speaker 2: not that that's all important, but you know, just to
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  Speaker 2: keep up with like the differences. So again, the plot
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  Speaker 2: is pretty similar to Pride and Prejudice, except the prejudice
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  Speaker 2: is beyond just wealth. Part of the prejudice of the
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  Speaker 2: Indian people and the culture and the stereotypes of the
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  Speaker 2: country that we often see, especially when we compare it
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  Speaker 2: to Western iiced ideals or standards.
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  Speaker 3: So that is what we add.
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  Speaker 2: So we get a wonderful Bollywood wedding opening Punjabi dances throughout,
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  Speaker 2: which I want more of because I love it, and
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  Speaker 2: I also love the dresses. I really would like to
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  Speaker 2: go to an Indian wedding. I do have friends who
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  Speaker 2: are Indian, but I'm not close enough to go to
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  Speaker 2: their weddings because they're so pretty and they look so fun.
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  Speaker 3: And I hate weddings, just to put that out there.
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  Speaker 2: So we have the Bokshi family coming through with their
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  Speaker 2: beautiful daughters in tow. Mother Bakshi has high hopes of
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  Speaker 2: finding good husbands for her beautiful daughters. Enters a handsome,
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  Speaker 2: eligible bachelor Bollarage Paul with his sister Kieren and best
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  Speaker 2: friend and business partner William Darcy, who is obviously not
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  Speaker 2: excited about traveling through India.
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  Speaker 3: And the crowded wedding party especially.
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  Speaker 2: So there he is thrown into the middle of a
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  Speaker 2: vibrant wedding and dancing, but also sees the beautiful Lalita
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  Speaker 2: who had a chance to dance with him, but he
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  Speaker 2: refused steels like na nah, no, I'm good nah. But
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  Speaker 2: Ballarage has more than it was more than excited to
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  Speaker 2: dance with Jaya, and of course sparks were flying. The
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  Speaker 2: eye contact, y'all, the eye contact. Through this trip, we
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  Speaker 2: find out that Darcy is there to scout a hotel
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  Speaker 2: to buy because he owns many hotels and is very rich,
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  Speaker 2: and plans to take a trip with Bllarage to go up.
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  Speaker 2: Barage then invites Jaya to come with, and of course
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  Speaker 2: she can't go by herself with this single man. So
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  Speaker 2: since Lalita with them, because Jaya can't be alone obviously,
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  Speaker 2: so they'll go off together. At this time, Darcy has
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  Speaker 2: already insulted Lalita with this disdain for the quote luxury
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  Speaker 2: hotel that he was staying in, as well as the
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  Speaker 2: ideal of rain marriages and just seeing finding it so
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  Speaker 2: archaic and then like too ridiculous, and then even the
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  Speaker 2: crowds of India like the very beginning shot, he's like,
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  Speaker 2: you want to stay here?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, what a jerk.
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  Speaker 2: So it's on the trip that Lalita, in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of her playing the guitar, meets Johnny Wickham who comes
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  Speaker 2: out like a mermaid.
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  Speaker 3: Like a little mermaid.
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  Speaker 2: Scene of her coming out of the ocean, it was interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Who happens to be acquainted with Darcy. Turns out his
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  Speaker 2: mom was Darcy's nanny and according to Wickham, he had
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  Speaker 2: turned Wickham away after Darcy's father's death against the will
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  Speaker 2: because he was jealous. So Wickham and Melita hit it
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  Speaker 2: off and she invites him home to her home to
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  Speaker 2: see the Golden Temple and see everything about her area
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  Speaker 2: because she's so excited that he is under stands the
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  Speaker 2: beauty of India, and we have an added bonus clip
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  Speaker 2: of Ashanti. I was like, okay, girl, I forgot you
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  Speaker 2: were in here doing your Indian Bollywood crossover.
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  Speaker 3: You go girl.
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  Speaker 2: Soon after that they return, we see Wickham showing up
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  Speaker 2: and a cousin from La coming in hopes of finding
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  Speaker 2: a wife, Coli. He is an accountant who has made
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  Speaker 2: quite a life for himself in La, brags about his
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  Speaker 2: home with maybe a pool on the cop like a
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  Speaker 2: big inside joke, and is as goofy as expected.
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  Speaker 3: He does it this character did.
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  Speaker 2: He did a great job playing this character, honestly, because
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  Speaker 2: he tries to highlight how western he is by using
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  Speaker 2: a lot of bad lingo or wrongly timed lingo americanized lingo.
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  Speaker 3: Fantastic, fantastic. He soon sets a.
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  Speaker 2: Sight on Lalita, who embarrasses her because at an event
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  Speaker 2: he dances really off, like it's a whole routine and
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  Speaker 2: it's gorgeous, and he's like, just.
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  Speaker 3: About it's quite fun, which kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of pushes Lilida to Darcy, who he asked to dance with,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like yes because she's so startled. They go dance, which,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, that dance was awesome, only I want
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  Speaker 2: to learn this dance and it gets awkward and she's like, ah,
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  Speaker 2: you know him, blah blah blah, you're a bad man.
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  Speaker 2: Moving on, and though it seems like things are going well,
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  Speaker 2: Barrage soon leaves with his sister and Darcy, who all
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  Speaker 2: returned to London or La and at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: Kohley proposes to Lalita, who refuses. We have that whole
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  Speaker 2: foot fund scene after Khoalie Lee's we find out that
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  Speaker 2: he has actually proposed to Lilita's best friend, Gendre, who
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  Speaker 2: he meets throughout the time, and she has accepted. Soon after,
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  Speaker 2: the family is invited to La to go to kolee
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  Speaker 2: in Chandra's wedding, and they decide to stop by in
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  Speaker 2: London on the way there, where Jaya visits Kieren hoping
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  Speaker 2: to see a Barage who unfortunately was not there but
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  Speaker 2: is in the US meeting a possible wife. According to Kieren,
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  Speaker 2: oh que heartbreak here. Soon the family do head to La,
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  Speaker 2: where they run into Darcy, who offers his first class
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  Speaker 2: seat to mother Bakshi. She's enjoying having a good old
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  Speaker 2: time and in La, Darcy and Lolita seem to be
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  Speaker 2: having a wonderful time together, but soon that all ends
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  Speaker 2: because we find out that Darcy was to blame for
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  Speaker 2: ball Varage leaving Jaya. We meet Georgina who kind of
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  Speaker 2: takes the place of the other cousins who say this all,
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  Speaker 2: and she's the one who tells her all this stuff
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  Speaker 2: about ruining the impossible engagement of her wonderful sister Jaya
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  Speaker 2: to Ballarrage and his mother who is not a fan
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  Speaker 2: of anyone and is very disappointed about the Indian up
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  Speaker 2: being a part of her like many hotels, and she's
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  Speaker 2: very snooty and snotty about it all. And Darcy smither yeses,
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  Speaker 2: and she has brought another girl who turns out to
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  Speaker 2: be an ex girlfriend who also does I like the
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  Speaker 2: line where she's like, Lolita like the book and Lalia
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  Speaker 2: just like no, gross, how dare you so? Moving on, so,
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  Speaker 2: of course she and Darcy fight and she storms off
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  Speaker 2: crying because she's like, I'm glad you know I'll never
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  Speaker 2: see you again type of conversation. You're not the man
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were. So as they return home, there's
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  Speaker 2: more drama has occurred, including the fact that Lucky has
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  Speaker 2: run away with Wickham oh No, which we find has
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  Speaker 2: been a habit of Wickham, including and pregnating a sixteen
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  Speaker 2: year old Georgina and trying to run away with her
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  Speaker 2: for money. Here, Darcy pops up and comes to the house.
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  Speaker 2: I apologizes for her stupidity and finds out that Lucky
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  Speaker 2: is gone, so it goes with her to hunt her down.
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  Speaker 2: We find them, they go on a chase, and yay,
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  Speaker 2: they find them. This is all in London, though, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: M Yeah, this happens in London. Moving on, when they
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  Speaker 2: do find him, we see Wickham getting punched in the
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  Speaker 2: face by Darcy as well was getting slapp by both
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  Speaker 2: of the blocksheet's sisters. Well done, ladies, and in the
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  Speaker 2: end we have a double wedding and happily ever after
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  Speaker 2: end of story.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so yes.
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  Speaker 2: And in between all of that, if you can't tell,
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  Speaker 2: there are breakouts and song. At one point they go
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  Speaker 2: down the streets all dancing together. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: like nods to the book and like honoring the book,
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  Speaker 2: like some of the scenes in there, so you definitely
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  Speaker 2: have to pay attention. It's very well done, brightly colored.
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  Speaker 2: There are like I was thinking that maybe it was
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  Speaker 2: my what I'm the streaming service I was watching, but
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  Speaker 2: I think it's supposed to.
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  Speaker 3: Be glossy and dreamy on purpose.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have that little fade and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it also felt like a little like tourist video for India, which, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I would like to go to India parts of India,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, it seemed very fun. It was very fun,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, probably about my childhood. So that's college years, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because you'd already seen it right at two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of my loves. I still remember my
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  Speaker 2: college roommate and I singing and quoting from this movie.
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  Speaker 1: That's fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's what you have some of those
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  Speaker 2: this is one of those ones that I would do.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think about the film?
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  Speaker 1: I also thought it was very fun. It was uh.
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  Speaker 1: I guess first of all, if you haven't listened to
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  Speaker 1: our past episodes on we did. I think we did
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  Speaker 1: Pride first, which was a different remix of Pride and Prejudice. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and then we did Pride and Prejudice. Yes, and now
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  Speaker 1: here we are with Pride and Prejudice.
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  Speaker 3: Did we also do the show? I no, oh, when
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  Speaker 3: we thought it.
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  Speaker 2: Would change, not that would change, but no, but be
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  Speaker 2: much right on with the book.
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  Speaker 1: But if you were confused at all, like because we've
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  Speaker 1: gone over the plot several times, this was a very
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  Speaker 1: basic plot summary. But I will say personally, because I
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  Speaker 1: never read Pride and Prejudice before until I met you
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  Speaker 1: in this we did these episodes. I enjoyed being like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's that person. I know what's gonna happen here. It was.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was really colorful, and the music was
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  Speaker 1: really good, and the nittumber's really good. I am glad
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  Speaker 1: you warned me because listeners, longtime listeners know musicals make
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  Speaker 1: me anxious. I'm afraid of sudden song I I, and
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  Speaker 1: it was very sudden. In some cases, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: you know, usually there's some build up so you can
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  Speaker 1: be like, okay, I think a song is coming, but
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  Speaker 1: this was like a song out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: Because you like musicals, but you like the musicals that
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  Speaker 2: go straight through as musicals in between where they break
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  Speaker 2: out in songs where you get like, I just get anxious.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just funny, don't like them. I just am
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  Speaker 1: on edge. So I did appreciate the warning, Thank you, Samith.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I need to tell her because
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  Speaker 2: this does break out like it's not and it's not
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  Speaker 2: because I think like four songs in total. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: it's not a lot out of one hundred and twelve
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  Speaker 2: minute movie.
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  Speaker 3: So like it's okay because it's.
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  Speaker 2: Almost two hours long and there's only four songs, so
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  Speaker 2: it's not like as much as you would think because
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  Speaker 2: the dance sequences, I wouldn't, like, say, there were musical
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  Speaker 2: plots like when she walks away and starts singing, you see,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it opens with the bang of the song.
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  Speaker 2: Like well, I was even saying, like I feel like
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  Speaker 2: when I see anything attributed to Indian weddings typically not
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  Speaker 2: all of them, but there's at least one opportunity where,
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  Speaker 2: especially if they have good understanding of Bollywood, they'll bring
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  Speaker 2: in a musical number.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like a New Girl with.
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  Speaker 2: CC and Schmidt's wedding, they're planning and the engagement party
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  Speaker 2: just brings a crew that does a Bollywood number and
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  Speaker 2: I loved it, a Punjabi number, and I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and it's a sitcom, like what do you say? So
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  Speaker 2: you know still like that? I find that amazing. But yes,
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  Speaker 2: so I had to give you a warning because I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: this is I forgot this part because usually, yeah, you're right,
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  Speaker 2: most of them have like a little trail in. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this one didn't know as much.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a jump scare. But the music version.
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  Speaker 3: Just in general, Annie's amatious person, so.
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  Speaker 1: That is also true.
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  Speaker 2: I am too, for in a different way. Mine's a
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  Speaker 2: build up. Hers is like shocked.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's also funny because like the warning I would
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  Speaker 1: give you would be something like oh the pet dies
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  Speaker 1: or something, Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Is there a site that gives you warnings about musicals?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so with this we're not going to talk
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  Speaker 2: too deep in like themes because again we've kind of
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  Speaker 2: like talked about it throughout our conversations about the regular
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: pride and prejudice. We talked about it in Pride, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll have some other renditions because this is
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  Speaker 2: probably one of the most loved books that has renditions
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: that really just kind of holds still like in this
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: iconic ideal of like standards of who's good enough and
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: who isn't good enough, and what type of prejudice people hold,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: and what we assume about people and mistaken community like
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: communications like.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: That trope miscommunication, lifelong.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Lifelong right, so.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Like, so all of that to say, but we didn't
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: want to talk about and when it comes to specifically
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: this movie, like the Family, we again see the mother
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: desperately trying to find husbands for her children, but instead
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: of saying they don't have sons, they're like, oh, our
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: opportunity was to go to them, go to the US,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: and talking about her family who opened three chains of
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: three stores, franchises of Subway, which I love the fact
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: that Subway gets so much love from Asian countries, Like
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense. Did you know we talked about
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: the fact that John Oliver did a series. Did you
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: save or do a series on Subway at any point?
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: No, we did it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: You should go out with a bang with a Subway episode.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: But yeah, like, I just.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Really thought that was kind of funny that they brought
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that up, and as that was the standard of like success.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, franchises, I'm sure if you can
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: make good money, you can make good money, but like
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: that was that level, like we could have been us,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: we should have gone, this is what we should have done,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: but that was kind of that level. So if you
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: can't do that, I'm gonna marry you off. And in
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: this conversation, marrying you off was like you off to
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: a different country or someone better, because with that conversation
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: of Ballarache coming in, he actually lives in London and
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: so that was his look of success. I'm sure other
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: things played into that, but like immigrating. If you listen
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: to our past episode book Club episode about I Am
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: the American Dream, that was kind of that same conversation
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and standard what we see in any conversations of immigration
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: in people talking about the better future, which has changed
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, anyway, but.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting, Like you have that look
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: of like marrying them off, but the standards are different
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: of why they're marrying them off and what success looks like.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: And then we had an interesting conversation of the pressures
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: of the family, which I know Jane Austin actually talks
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: about in all of her other books, like whether it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: persuasions or because.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: We talked, we re read persuasions.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And I love that, like the pressures of the family,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: you're not allowed to marry this person or this person.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: In this kind of conversation, we also have the pressure
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: of her mother want her to marry this type of man.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Don't marry that man, like, don't bring this white man
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: in my hand, don't bring I mean, to be fair,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: her mom was right about Wickham, true putting that man
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: in here, but you know, looking to see who had
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: better pressure. The same thing with Darcy having his mom
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: pressure her him into trying to you know, go with
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Anne the burgh In character. She's not the Bord, but
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, the ex girlfriend, who is
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: your typical beautiful, blonde, high society girl. They're bringing her
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: in being like that's that's the standard, and that's the pressure. Also,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: she's very disappointed that He decided not to open or
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: buy out an Indian hotel after he talked with Lalita,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: who said, you know, you're buying this out. Doesn't help
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the Indian people. You're only helping white people come here.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: What does that do?
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Right? You know?
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: He's like, I'm helping good jobs.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: You're like, no, you're not. None of none of the
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: people that live here can afford to be here.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Right exactly, and basically making it a white space where
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: white people don't have to see Indians. Yeah, so it
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be helping the Indian people at all. Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So it was really good conversation.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: But him like buckling down and finding pressure against his
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: mom and having to like push back.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: A little bit.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: That was also interesting. Of Course, that same tripe throughout
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: because you can't have I don't think you could have
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: a good Pride remake without a Collins because he is
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: that the foil and there are Koli here, So her
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: mom tried to pressure her to marry Khli, who Kally
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: was endearing.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I will say I really.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Liked the take on Chandra and Coli in this one,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: because they like each other, like he is doting on
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: her as awhere in the other version, he's just really
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: dumb and trying to impress. I mean, he's still trying
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: to impress other people, but like not the way he
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: was trying to impress the Berg and like, you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: using his wife in here. You know, he gives her
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a small kiss in the kitchen. You know, he's actually
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: really happy with being with her, and she's happy and
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: she talks about how he adores her, and he's just
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: like that's all I can really ask for.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a pretty funny shot of him wearing an
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: American flag speedo kids. Yes, I wasn't expecting that. I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: have to say. It was kind of age.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: That's that musical part I think.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Was the one that was like, oh I need to
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: have worn any.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what's happening right now?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And then the prejudice again we kind of already talked
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: about it, but like the different prejudice was just a
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: little different here. That's where they took on, like the
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: prejudice against Indian people or the country of India, with
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the stereotypes that that often like immediately talks about having delibilly,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: which is that a little stereotype. I think there's certain
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: things that are like Yeah, you do have to be
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: careful in any area when you are not used to
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: any food anywhere at other places areas, Yes.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: You might have to.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Like the amount of people who come to the US
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: talking about eating fast food and being immediately sick.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: You know, it's true if you're not used to.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: That kind of high fat graces mind, but like just
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: that kind of stereotype that immediately happened in that conversation
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: was something that I thought they wanted to address very quickly. Again,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I think the UK and India both had, like their
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Tourism board sponsored this movie. I believe they had mistakes
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: into the movie if I if I'm correctly, but yeah,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: like but it is, but she's talking about loving her culture,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: loving being there, wanting to stay there. I think that
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: was really important for the filmmaker as well as like
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: the people telling the story to talk about by they
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: love their culture, they're proud of it. They want people
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: to see what it really is and just like any
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: tourist area, like it's not truly what it is until
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: you meet the people there and they show you what
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: it's like and the beauty behind the scenes and places
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: that they love. And Ashanti's on a stage dancing in
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: her attempt to also speak Hindy, like you know, that
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: also helps, you know, But all of that say, like
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: it was an obvious conversation that they wanted to highlight
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: when it comes to the stereotyping of India in general.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: One of the big things, of course, that they brought
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: up was arranged marriages, because that was his first like
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I can't believe you, blah blah blah, and Wickham had
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: said he's supposed to be marrying a woman from New.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: York, Darcy.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Darcy, And so like she was like, what
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: a hypocrite. Y'all do the same thing and you just
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: don't think it's bad because you don't call it an
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: arranged marriage, like all these things. I did read an
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: article by Sonali Mishtra I really hope I said that
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: right from her media marcle Pride and Bride all prone
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to prejudice kind of comparing the two movies. But she
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: does talk about how they do idealize westernized beliefs of
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: marriage over any other types. And if we talk about
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: arranged marriages as a way of life in India and
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: many other cultures, that people are like, oh, this is
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: so backwards. This is so archaic. Why would you allow this?
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And like her conversation is, do you have you talked
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: to people who have done this? There are more successes
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: than this. The divorce rate in the US or like
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: because he was from la is so much higher than
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: in India.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: What do you have to brag about in this level?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: And I think that's very interesting because like we've talked
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: about that as well. Like I think I've seen article
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: an article where in either way, whether it is as
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: what they would call love match or arranged marriages, like
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: failure is not like success is not guaranteed. Both can
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: be a good thing or a bad thing, whether it's
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: they fall in love with each other eventually after their
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: arrangement marriage getting to know each other, or whether they
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: fall out of love even because they've changed after so
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: many years. Like there's so many levels in conversation, and
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: that I did find that interesting. But she also talks
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: about again the London US versus India, the western ized
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: ideals and standards and how that becomes a better way.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: So she talks she says this.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: The film came out in two thousand and four, and
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: the themes it picked up are very rooted in this
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: time they are still relevant to an extent. But back then,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: calling out the mass obsession with American culture and the
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: attempt to westernize the native culture must have been.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: A big deal.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I hope that's true. I hope that's gone away. I mean,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine this, especially today as we are put
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: on warning lists don't nup for people of color not
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: to come here, Yeah, and it being dangerous for them
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: that that standard has kind of washed away and our
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: and her she was talking about also the idealization of
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: the West and the cultural appropriation of South Asian culture
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: by the West, and how marriage becomes a means to
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: realize the highly idealized dream of solving abroad. So being
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: abroad in America and the UK again is the ultimate
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: goal or dream again, as we talked about in the
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: book club, like that's kind of like people really thought
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: once upon a time, and maybe it was like at
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: one point in time, it was the dream and to
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: be successful. If you could be successful in the US,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: it was even better because you had a bigger opportunities
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: or chances, not realizing looking back, if you're a person
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: of color, if you're an immigrant, you have to probably
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: do it work twice as hard as to everyone else
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: in order to get that success. So it is interesting
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: to see that conversation in that time, like yeah, twenty
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: two years ago, because it was released in two thousand
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: and four to today, and in two thousand and four,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: it still wasn't like I was like, why you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: you kind of think back then, like you were still
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: in school, weren't you.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I was in
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: freshman year of high school or maybe yeah, I think so, and.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I was finishing out college and my dream was my
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: dream was to go broad Like I really thought I
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: would go live in London and then move on and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: do bigger and better things.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I have not moved, y'all.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: But all that to say is like this ideal in
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: the standard is if you truly want to be successful,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: whiteness is successful, that culture is successful.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Koali taking on some.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Of the verbiage, Yeah, of the West Coast of the
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: US was meant as success.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: So it's really kind of funny living in a suburb.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I love when he's like bragging to Lalita's mom that
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: he's almost in Hollywood because that is such a it's
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: such a marker of like, oh, I'm I'm almost at
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: forty minutes and I can be there, right.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I remember so my high school senior year, my friend
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: and I went to La No, Orange County, so near
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: really excited because that was.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, the dream. We're going to Hollywood.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: We need and like like everybody else was like, this
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: is really crowded and smoggy.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Well we had fun, don't get me wrong. Yeah, but
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: like it's not what you see and what you thought.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Exactly, And that's kind of the point. I thought. It
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: kind of stuck out to me that the book club
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: we did this month I was their American Dream, which
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: was about also immigrating to the US, And this movie
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: feature characters from outside of the US or or inside
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the US, but have a lot of influences from outside
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the US who were influenced by entertainment and what they
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: saw on TV or just the idea of the United States.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: And I at one point she says Beverly Hills nine
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: zero two one.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: US does, Yes, she does. And I think that goes
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to show the cultural imperialism or dominance of American culture
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that it both of these examples we didn't know we're
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: going to I didn't know we're going to kind of
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: have a focus on that. But being like, oh it's
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: New York, it's so fancy, you've made it. Oh it's La,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Hollywood's over there.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I did find and did like the I think that
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: was funny that it was La, Yes, very specially. And
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: then I love the air the conversation of the Valley
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: because one of my old episodes when I was with
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: the Daily Zeite guys, I had to ask, I'm like,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: what is the problem with the valley? Why do people
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: have an issue with the valley? Because I was so
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: because it's so like dominated as a stereotype of like,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: oh it's not as good.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: As La, like Rodeo Drive or whatever was.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much of this, but yeah, I find
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I found it really entertaining. I love seeing first of all,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I love seeing them like center the Indian communities and
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: just really talk about that love for their country and
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the love for their community and people. I thought that
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: was really wonderful way of narrating the story. Of course,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: they had to find one of the world's biggest pop
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: on because icons to be in this movie.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: To have that, I think like.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Syllability, a little bit of bringing in peppering in some
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: like American Like again, Rory from Gilmore Girls being in
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: there made me laugh because it was in the prime
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: of her like getting big for this series. So I'm like,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: where did she even come from? Yeah?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And it did have a I wasn't quite expecting the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: going to London then going to the US part. I'm
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: not sure. I'm not sure why it makes sense that.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I was a little taken aback by that. I was like, Okay,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: we're going down London. All right, Oh, we're going to
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: la Okay, let's go.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Did you also the computers and email and dating sites?
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: I saw that. I was like, Any's gonna love this?
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: What was there? Was one graphic was on the computer
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and it was like a flashlight looking for names. I
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: guess I died.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Have you ever seen that? No, that was real.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: That was real.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: It was like a waiting It was like a time
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: out thing. Yes, that's real, baby. I guess you didn't
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: know about that life. Yes, real, I thought, Oh my gosh,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I thought I was.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Probably actually them searching for something on the web.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Wow, I remember that.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I do not remember that at all. Okay, all right,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: well thanks, that's gonna give me something I can look
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: up later. Very excited about that.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm positive there was also one.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I want to say, like like binoculars.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say there was a dude that
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: did this. If it was like a timing, if it
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: was searching for something, I'm pretty sure, like it's kind
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: of like you know the little those little timers at
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: sand it was before that, I want to say, or
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: for different sites.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, I believe you.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, unless this is a fever dream I
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: had could be anyway, Thank y'all, Thank you any for
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: coming on this. Anotherane movie that I have shout out.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think she listens, but Joanna, who now lives
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: in the UK herself, she and I watched Us together
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: and if we both loved this movie and would try
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: to sing and dance to this movie. So shout out
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: to her, because this is the memory I have is
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: living in Athens, Georgia and what we call the Little
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: White House with my three other roommates, sitting on the
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: couch because I was known as the couch girl.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Long story, we're not going to talk about it. Watching
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: this while I was studying.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shut out, Joanna. Joanna this is a good I
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I had a good time, and I can
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: see why you uh really liked it. In college, I
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: tried to learn the songs and dance. I think it's fantastic.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I can see it's right up your alley because you're
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: already like Write of Prejudice and now you're introducing kind
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of a Bollywood element. Yeah, yeah, makes course makes sense. Well, listeners.
• 36:36
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• 36:39
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