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Jaz Hand’s Paris 'Move' Has Everyone Confused · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
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  Speaker 2: news twice a week.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Amy Torber. I'm Kate Torber. And I'm Sophie Torber.
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  Speaker 2: And coming up on today's show, Sky Wheatley reveals her
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  Speaker 2: baby daddy is in a new relationship. Laura Henshaw's gross
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  Speaker 2: podcast admission and Jazz Hand sparks confusion after revealing she's
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  Speaker 2: moving to Paris. But first, Veruca Salt's baby daddy has
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  Speaker 2: been revealed. The world has only ever known him as Charles,
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  Speaker 2: which I personally thought was a pseudonym, but is in
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  Speaker 2: fact his real name. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So his full name is Charles Onyuku and he's an
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  Speaker 1: American actor and model. He is very good looking.
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  Speaker 2: He's appeared in ads with Nissan and Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Pepper.
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  Speaker 2: He also has a sporting background. So he played division
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  Speaker 2: one college football and his two older brothers still play
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL. Now he's got around 15,000 followers on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: He's definitely a step up from that.
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  Speaker 2: What is that?
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  Speaker 1: Digi got? Digi premium.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 1: Ex-husband for a couple of days.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She's definitely leveled up.
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  Speaker 2: Now Veruca is actually yet to publicly post about Charles,
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  Speaker 2: but a super sleuth screenshot a story he posted to
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  Speaker 2: his Instagram saying, And influencer updates went on to share it.
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  Speaker 2: So in the photo, he has the biggest smile on
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  Speaker 2: his face as he's cuddling the babies on his chest.
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  Speaker 2: And he captioned the photo, Welcome to the world, babies.
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  Speaker 1: Blessed to be your father. So they met in America,
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  Speaker 1: didn't they? Yeah, he's from LA.
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  Speaker 2: And it appears he may have moved to Australia. Veruca
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  Speaker 2: spoke a couple of months ago about how he was
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  Speaker 2: keen to actually make the move, but we're yet to
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  Speaker 2: hear an update. And it's nice to see things are
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  Speaker 2: actually cordial between the pair because originally Veruca referred to
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  Speaker 2: him as the devil walking among us and said that
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  Speaker 2: things hadn't been going well between them since he discovered
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  Speaker 2: that she was pregnant. I mean, I'm guessing it has
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  Speaker 2: something to do with the fact that originally she asked
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  Speaker 2: him to do a paternity test because she wasn't sure
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  Speaker 2: if it was his or someone else's.
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  Speaker 1: Also, I don't think that The pregnancy was exactly planned,
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  Speaker 1: was it? No, it wasn't. She was on the pill
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  Speaker 1: at the time. And it didn't sound like they'd been
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  Speaker 1: together for long. Can you imagine this happening and getting twins?
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  Speaker 1: You just feel like, what?
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  Speaker 2: Look, I actually think, because she was saying that she
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  Speaker 2: was hoping it was the other guy. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what he looked like, but I would be quite happy
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  Speaker 2: with these jeans. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Good jeans.
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  Speaker 4: And then you dry yourself, like, ballsack, butt crack, like,
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  Speaker 4: whatever it is. I don't want that on my towel.
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  Speaker 2: Laura Henshaw has shocked her followers by making a gross
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  Speaker 2: admission on her podcast. During an episode of Steph and Laura,
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  Speaker 2: a discussion about how often you should clean your towel
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  Speaker 2: turned into a debate about shared towels.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. Do you share a towel with Josh?
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  Speaker 4: No, but he often uses my towel.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so you have dedicated towels. This is so stupid.
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  Speaker 4: We do and I know of them, but we've never
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  Speaker 4: really spoken of like, are you on the left or
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  Speaker 4: are you on the right or like I'm red.
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  Speaker 1: He just uses whatever's there, which annoys me.
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  Speaker 4: Same.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's so annoying.
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Except Atlas. Because then it's wet.
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  Speaker 4: Like you go to have your shower and you want
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  Speaker 4: to use your towel and it's kind of damp.
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  Speaker 3: I just check which one is the least damp.
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  Speaker 4: But I also don't trust that he's washing himself as
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  Speaker 4: thoroughly as I am. You know, like it's another body.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, like a man's body. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to put his butt crack on my face.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I think about. What do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think he doesn't wash his butt crack?
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  Speaker 2: No, he does.
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  Speaker 4: But even if you wash your body and then you
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  Speaker 4: dry yourself, like ball sack, butt crack, like whatever it is,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want that on my towel.
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  Speaker 1: I share a towel and I also share a toothbrush
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  Speaker 1: and I know. That's disgusting.
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  Speaker 4: I know that of you and yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's electric though so it's like.
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  Speaker 4: No, that's my, for me we've done that when it's
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  Speaker 4: like we don't have a choice and I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: but I'll do it. But that's not a daily thing.
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  Speaker 2: I love how she was like, you have dedicated towels?
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  Speaker 2: As if it was like the most insane thing that
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  Speaker 2: was ever said.
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  Speaker 1: I was like thinking, and you don't? Wait, so you're
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  Speaker 1: saying you have a dedicated towel? Yeah, it's like a
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  Speaker 1: normal person.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm team Laura here. Like you have one
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  Speaker 1: towel between you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, quite often it gets to that case because you
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  Speaker 2: run out of towels, you use one on the ground
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  Speaker 2: because it's wet. Like we have this, like it gets
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  Speaker 2: to a situation where you're like, this towel is damp.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't even used it.
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  Speaker 2: I have been known recently to be a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a towel thief because I will have my shower at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day. And sometimes, you know, when
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  Speaker 2: you've gone into the shower and it's like Dale's putting
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  Speaker 2: Harry down to bed, And the thought of having to
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  Speaker 2: make noise to get a new one. So that is
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  Speaker 2: the only time. We do have dedicated towels. Are they
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  Speaker 2: different colors or what?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're sometimes different colors or you just put them
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  Speaker 1: in different spots.
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  Speaker 2: Rhys and I have the same colored towel, but he
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  Speaker 2: will take his to his, like we call it his
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  Speaker 2: dressing room. It's just a spare room where he throws
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  Speaker 2: his clothes on the ground basically. He'll put his in
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  Speaker 2: his room. And I'll put mine in the main bathroom.
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  Speaker 2: And then before each shower, we just go and grab
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  Speaker 2: our towels and take them into the ensuite. Oh, so
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  Speaker 2: we just chuck ours over the shower.
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  Speaker 1: No wonder it's not drying. Dale was having a go
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  Speaker 1: at me the other day for using his towel. And
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  Speaker 1: then I literally saw how he dried himself.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if he was just doing it
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  Speaker 2: for comedic effect, but he literally got the towel between
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  Speaker 2: his like bum and was.
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  Speaker 1: Like washing it.
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, see, this is why you shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be using my towel.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, do you actually do that? And he's like, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that how children do it? Isn't that how you
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  Speaker 1: teach children to watch it?
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  Speaker 2: Because when Steph said something about, oh, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: Josh's bum germs on my face, I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: got a flashback to this image. I was like, is
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  Speaker 2: that something that men do? Is that how they- Maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to stop sharing the towel.
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  Speaker 1: This is a bit of a distressing insight.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Laura Henshaw actually ended up giving an update on
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  Speaker 2: the towel situation because she got so much flack on social.
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  Speaker 1: Media about it.
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  Speaker 2: And she recounted this like stat from some Instagram. So
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  Speaker 2: who knows if it's actually true, but how many germs
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  Speaker 2: are actually on a towel and that you really should
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  Speaker 2: be cleaning them much more often than I probably do. See,
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  Speaker 2: the thing that I was more disturbed about was her
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  Speaker 2: admission that she was sharing a toothbrush with her husband.
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  Speaker 1: That was the most fucked part of it all.
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  Speaker 5: Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: And it's an electric toothbrush. So it's like, well, why
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  Speaker 2: don't you just have different heads? She said that that
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  Speaker 2: made it better. I don't think it made it any different.
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  Speaker 1: I think it makes it worse. Do you know what
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  Speaker 1: the thing is?
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  Speaker 2: Like she, I've heard her speak on a podcast before
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  Speaker 2: about her getting grossed out by her husband. I think
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  Speaker 2: they're about to have sex and she could smell tzatziki
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  Speaker 2: on his breath or something. I mean, this is how
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  Speaker 2: much they share. And I was like, thinking back to that,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, but you share a toothbrush with him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you would have tasted that garlicky tzatziki.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, from everything I know about her, it didn't really
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  Speaker 1: suit her personality. No, no, she's a clean freak. No,
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  Speaker 1: she's not.
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  Speaker 2: Steph Clare Smith called her out on the most recent
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  Speaker 2: episode and said, oh, Laura, you don't even wash your
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  Speaker 2: sex toys. And she's like, oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That came out months ago.
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  Speaker 2: I know, but I've forgotten about like the sex toys
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  Speaker 2: and the toothbrush and the towels.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what? They're airing all their dirty laundry again.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah. This is what they literally did when they
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  Speaker 2: moved to Listener. They're like, oh, let's make this salacious
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  Speaker 2: and talk about all these things. I saw Shameless Media
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  Speaker 2: shared some stat that they'd grown their following by some
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  Speaker 2: huge amount. I think it was 20,000 extra followers in
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  Speaker 2: the space of a couple of weeks. And it was
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  Speaker 2: something to do with how many views they'd got on
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  Speaker 2: their videos. And it is clever because they are the
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  Speaker 2: sort of conversation starters. That go off on TikTok, like
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  Speaker 2: discussions about towels. I actually don't know if it will
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  Speaker 2: result in long standing listeners. I think it's good short
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  Speaker 2: form content, but maybe like it doesn't make you want
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  Speaker 2: to rush to see the podcast because you've kind of
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  Speaker 2: heard the punchline on it. I shouldn't laugh, but this
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  Speaker 2: story has taken quite a turn. So Laura was forced
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  Speaker 2: to eat a bit of humble pie just days after
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  Speaker 2: this clip went viral on social media. So unfortunately, the
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  Speaker 2: Henshaw household has had a gastro outbreak. And it's spread
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  Speaker 2: quite rapidly due to the shared towels and toothbrush situation.
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  Speaker 2: So Laura revealed her son has contracted gastro from his
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  Speaker 2: first week and a half at daycare. And she uploaded
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  Speaker 2: a reel which has since gone absolutely viral. It's had
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  Speaker 2: over 500,000 views of her writing, the house is down
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  Speaker 2: with gastro and I think I may now in fact
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  Speaker 2: have to admit defeat. And she showed vision of her
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  Speaker 2: shared towel and toothbrush. See, I have to eat some
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  Speaker 2: humble pie now because in our subs episode, I got
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  Speaker 2: asked who I think is the most inauthentic influencer or
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  Speaker 2: something like that and I said Laura Henshaw only because
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  Speaker 2: I think behind the scenes she has quite a funny
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  Speaker 2: personality but it doesn't come out on the podcast because
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  Speaker 2: she keeps dropping I'm a really funny person but I
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  Speaker 2: think we're seeing a bit of her humour now.
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  Speaker 1: I think Shameless is bringing it out.
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  Speaker 2: I saw someone comment on the TikTok like I can
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  Speaker 2: literally see the germs everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: In this photo.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so funny because I could too, I could
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  Speaker 2: almost smell the house. I felt for her because my
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  Speaker 2: house was struck down with gastro when it was my
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  Speaker 2: son's second birthday and there's nothing worse. Ironically though, Laura
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  Speaker 2: was asking her followers for tips to help deal with
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  Speaker 2: the gastro. And it's so weird because it's literally coincided
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  Speaker 2: with kick launching a hydration drink. And a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people were suggesting hydrolat. Steph Claire Smith obviously went, oh fuck,
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  Speaker 2: I've got to jump in here. And she goes, I
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  Speaker 2: know of this really delicious hydration powder you should try.
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  Speaker 1: Good marketing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, was this gastro staged then?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what? Has anyone jumped to that? It's very unauthentic.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was staged.
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  Speaker 5: I'm joking.
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  Speaker 4: I think the thing people have an issue with, they
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  Speaker 4: are spending so much time watching us and getting to
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  Speaker 4: know us and they feel like they're really close to
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  Speaker 4: us and they're our really good friend.
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  Speaker 2: Would you lie to your really good friend and be like,
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  Speaker 2: you should use this dildo, I love it? A heartbroken
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: Sky Wheatley has revealed her baby daddy, Lockie Waugh, is
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  Speaker 2: in a new relationship. The former Big Brother star admitted
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  Speaker 2: the news left her feeling replaced and questioning whether.
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  Speaker 1: She was ever anything special. Now, so if this is
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a backflip from a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just last month, we were reporting that Sky Wheatley
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  Speaker 2: was surprised that her breakup didn't hurt more. And that
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  Speaker 2: was after a follower asked her, if she was now
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  Speaker 2: happier that she's single. Fast forward a week though, and
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  Speaker 2: Sky Wheatley says that the breakup has shattered her self-worth
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  Speaker 2: and she's been feeling so low that she can't move
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  Speaker 2: and has been struggling to work. And this is because
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: she has recently found out, as you touched on Amy,
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  Speaker 2: that Lockie has moved on. So she wrote on her
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  Speaker 2: Instagram story, self-worth is actually on the floor going through
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  Speaker 2: this breakup. Going to start using Insta as a personal diary.
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  Speaker 2: I think I have so much trauma from my last
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  Speaker 2: breakup that was unhealed. Got told information last night that
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  Speaker 2: was pretty uncomfortable, but I think the rejection.
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  Speaker 1: Hurts more than being rejected. being told they are with
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  Speaker 1: someone else, to be honest.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to know who told her, because obviously
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  Speaker 2: it's someone that knows both her and Sky. Like, is
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  Speaker 2: it a family member or Has someone told her to
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  Speaker 2: be a bit vindictive and upset her?
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  Speaker 1: Or could it have been one of her kids who
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: accidentally dropped something? Oh, God, how awkward.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how Lockie feels about this all being laid
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  Speaker 2: out so publicly. I would love to know who he's
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  Speaker 2: dating and how different she is to Sky. Does he
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  Speaker 2: have a type or has he gone the total opposite?
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing the total opposite.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting, though, because it was only a couple of
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  Speaker 2: months ago that Sky was papped out on what looked
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  Speaker 2: like a date with comedian Julian Wood's.
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  Speaker 1: And didn't Lockie reach.
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  Speaker 2: Out to us and sort of indicate that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a fair play to her?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he was acting like he didn't care.
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  Speaker 2: No, he wrote pop off girl. But if anything, to me,
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  Speaker 2: that sounded like he was actually bothered by it. Because
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: if you're not bothered by it, you just go on,
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  Speaker 2: you don't actually comment.
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  Speaker 4: Am I bothered?
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  Speaker 1: Face bothered? Oh, I ain't bothered. Maybe he saw this
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  Speaker 1: as a green light to move on.
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  Speaker 2: Going back to your comment about, I wonder if this
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  Speaker 2: new woman in his life is similar to Sky. I
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: actually think that she could be because Sky made the
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  Speaker 2: comment about how he's moved on with the next best thing.
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  Speaker 2: So it sounds like maybe it's someone who's similar to her,
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  Speaker 2: maybe in the influencer space as well.
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  Speaker 1: Or could she be younger?
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  Speaker 2: The next best thing makes it sound like maybe it
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  Speaker 2: was someone that was in his life before. Also, do
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  Speaker 2: you know what's fascinating? How she said that she feels rejected.
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  Speaker 2: Do we think that she tried to rekindle things with Lockie?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: By judging by her stories, I think that she's regretting
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  Speaker 2: the breakup. I mean, she referenced not too long ago
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  Speaker 2: that she was still hung up on him. And that
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  Speaker 2: she always ran to him and obviously they keep breaking
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  Speaker 2: up and getting back together. So maybe she thought that
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  Speaker 2: was going to happen, but this is the reality check
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  Speaker 2: that no, we're not getting back together. I wonder if
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: Sky is opening up and using her Instagram story as
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  Speaker 2: this personal diary to Because it's actually genuinely therapeutic for
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  Speaker 2: her to do so.
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  Speaker 1: Or if she knows that.
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  Speaker 2: This is good for her engagement and it kind of
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: moves people past the drink driving charges, you know, it's
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: something else for her to be talking about. I honestly
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  Speaker 2: think it's just that she can't control herself because I
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: saw later on after she posted this that she was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I should have just kept it.
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  Speaker 1: To close friends. Possibly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I actually just hope that Lockie starts going
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: rogue too. Like bring back the sausages and sauna content.
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  Speaker 1: Be messy on there. Post your new love interest. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so intrigued.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting though, Influence Updates was reporting that Lockie was
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: seen liking a post of Pete Davidson, the one where
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: he was mocking influencers who do nothing and make $ 40
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: million a year.
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  Speaker 1: So there was a bit of a dig there.
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  Speaker 2: See, I think we're not going to see much of
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  Speaker 2: him online. I actually think that the whole influencer lifestyle
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: put him off. Hmm. And he was never keen to
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: be in her videos.
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  Speaker 1: But he's so funny, like without trying to be funny.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the latest video he's posted is sort of a
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: workshop fit out video. He posts a lot with his sons.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: I think he wants to make it clear that he
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: has them part time. It really seems like this breakup
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  Speaker 2: with Lockie has stirred up some past trauma for Skye.
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  Speaker 2: She wrote, I've never spoken about my breakup with my
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  Speaker 2: ex before this lol, but it was so fucked. And
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: this is feeling like a similar experience. Same feelings of
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: rejection and being replaced. And I'm left feeling so used,
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: like I'm not anything special because they just move on
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  Speaker 2: with the next best thing. I had to cast my
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: mind back to who she was dating before Lockie because
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: their relationship was such a whirlwind. They met off Tinder,
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  Speaker 2: but they've actually been together for nearly, is it like
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  Speaker 2: seven or eight years? And then I was like, it
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  Speaker 2: was Cam because he was in.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of her footage back in the day.
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  Speaker 2: I reckon he's hating it because since the breakup with Lockie,
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: she's been divulging a lot of personal stories about him. So,
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't wrong that she said she was
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: going to start using her Instagram as a personal diary
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: because last week she spoke on her story for 18 minutes,
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: shedding more details on her past relationship with Cam. And
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: she revealed that she and Cam were expecting a baby
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: together when she was 22 and that they planned to
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: move in together and were taking all of the steps
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: to become a family. But one night he went out,
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: presumably partying, and refused to answer any of her calls.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: And she said, She tried to call him so many times,
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: but he wouldn't answer. And after that night, she never
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: spoke to him again. She packed up her stuff and
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: decided to get an abortion. This story sounds super familiar.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: I think she's spoken about this before. A very sad story.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: But why is she talking about Cam and not Lockie?
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: I think she actually got with Lockie quite soon after Cam.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if she never had the time to
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: actually process the breakup properly.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: And everything that went on. It sounds more like. the
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: latest stuff with Lockie is triggering her old feelings of
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: what happened between her and Cam.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: Also maybe the insecurities, maybe it's not about them. It's
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: the fact that she's not feeling enough.
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: And feeling rejected.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: It's so crazy to look at Sky because she's absolutely
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: stunning and she's got, you know, this crazy entertaining personality,
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: but behind it all is obviously a very insecure woman.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: And you can even, you know, when she's, she's opened
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: up about how She's got really bad body dysmorphia and
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: you see all the surgery she goes through and it's
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: actually so sad.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: It is really sad.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Well, during this 18-minute Instagram story, she also revealed more
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: information about the couple's plans for their house. So they have,
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: of course, been renovating an abandoned mansion for the past
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: nine years, which she's been documenting on her socials. And
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: she revealed that the initial plan when the couple broke
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: up was to rent out the house to tenants. But
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: that actually fell through because there was this massive list
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: of things that needed to be done to the house.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: in order to make it fit for tenants that they
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: just couldn't get done. She confirmed that she's back living
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: at the house part-time, but she's moving between the mansion
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: and her mum's house.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: So that sounds like the kids are there full-time and
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Lockie and her are just swapping.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: That would be so weird. Do you still share a
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: bedroom or like, you know? Oh, there's so many bedrooms there.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're sharing a bedroom. No, no, no.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, so they've got the master bedroom.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: So when Sky's there half-time, does she sleep in the
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: bed and the other half-time he sleeps.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: In the bed?
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: No, there'd be about four.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Freaking six other bedrooms i'm sure that they've just decided
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: one is skies and one is lucky it's a better
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: one i just can't believe they're putting in all this
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: effort to make this dream house you hear of this
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: happening a lot where people will do this massive extension
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: and then they break up because of the full stress
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: not good for your relationship is it i saw she
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: did a q a and someone said oh are you
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: gonna rent it out as an airbnb and she said
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: oh maybe that's a good idea i mean the house
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: would be great for photo shoots. It's clear that this
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: situation isn't going to work for her long-term because she
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: said that she's finding it super lonely and quite difficult
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: because now she doesn't have her license. She can't just
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: drive back and forth to get stuff that she's left
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: behind at her mom's place. So the logistics of it
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: are really tough. Well, she's currently holidaying in Bali alongside
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Allure's ex-owner, Olivia McNeil. It seems like she's having a
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: pretty good time because I've been keeping an eye on
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Olivia's Instagram story and God, She is ready to share
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: apparently her side of the story as an Instagram reel.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting with bated breath for that.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: But she also spoke about how Sky got home at
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: like 2am and woke her up and she's been out
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: partying and living her best life.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: I have always said to myself, I want to live
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: in Paris.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Jaz Hand has sparked confusion after announcing she's moving to Paris,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: only to later reveal she'll just be there for six weeks.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: The popular jewelry designer is the latest influencer to tease
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: an overseas move, fueling speculation that the trend is becoming
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: a way to drive views and engagement. Amy, before we
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: dive into the story, can you get listeners up to
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: speed with who Jazz is? Yeah, so she is a
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: 32-year-old beauty and fashion influencer based on the Gold Coast.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: And I would go as far as calling her a
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: new Aussie it girl because her popularity is soaring by
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: the day. So she first started out on YouTube doing
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: makeup tutorials and now she does a lot of lifestyle content.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: She's closing in on 600,000 subscribers on YouTube and she's
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: got over 200,000 on Instagram. I mean, I have followed
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: her for quite a while and she's synonymous with a marcher.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: She's also very well known for her jewelry brand, which
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: is called Jazz Handmade. It's incredibly popular and I think
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: people really love watching her life as a business owner
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: She's a very well-loved influencer.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I think part of the reason that she's back in
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the zeitgeist is because she's single, because she's been a
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: very popular YouTuber for a long time. But everyone was
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: desperate to know what was going on with her and
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: her boyfriend, Peter Lizzie, back in December last year.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: People were like watching.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Her Instagram stories and her YouTube video trying to work
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: out like what was going on. People noticed she wasn't
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: wearing her necklace with a P on it anymore.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was so obvious to her followers that
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: they'd broken up. It was one of those awkward things
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: where the influencer just doesn't acknowledge it. Like they're literally
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: moving apartments. Well, that's the thing.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: He actually ended up moving back to Perth and everyone's like, well,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: he's not even in the same state as you.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Do you know why I think Jaz Hand is so popular?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: It's because.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: She's got a really good friendship with another influencer called
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Riley Hemson, who also runs a super popular business, Remy
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: by Riley. So I think a lot of people look
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: up to them because not only are they killing it
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: in the influencer space, but they both have these super
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: successful businesses. They're also really relatable yet successful.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: There's something like you could imagine being friends with them.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I think the reason also people are getting around Jazz
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: at the moment is because she's single in her 30s
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: and we don't often see people living their best life
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: and going and chasing their dreams. I mean, She actually
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: never outlined why she split up with Peter, but a
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: lot of fans were speculating it was because they had
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: really different priorities for the future because Peter wanted to
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: settle down apparently and get married and have kids, but
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Jazz wanted to focus on traveling, which brings us to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: her Paris move.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: So how did this all come about?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Well, she uploaded a YouTube video entitled, So I'm Moving
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: to Paris, which people immediately wanted to click on. Like
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: this was the best clickbait heading you could have asked for.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Because it's not just like, I'm moving to the US
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: so I can make the most of the TikTok creator fund.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Like Paris, when you hear Paris, you're like, oh, Emily
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: in Paris. Like it sounds so cool. Well, people don't
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: generally just move to Paris either from Australia.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: It's like I might move to New Zealand or Bali.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: But.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Well, in the vlog, she revealed that she was heading
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: over to Paris for fashion week with L'Oreal, but would
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: be extending the trip.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what she said. Basically, I'm
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: off to my favorite city in the whole world. Take
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: a guess.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Paris.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: And I was invited to go over there with a.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Brand, which is like unreal firstly it's one of my
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: favorite brands and the fact that they want to take
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: me to paris for an event is wild to me
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: um and i have always said to myself i want
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: to live in paris so yeah i am moving to
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: paris it is only for a short amount of time
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: though so i wouldn't i mean moving is A loose term,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: but I still want to be like, I kind of
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: want to cosplay like living there.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Like I'll have my own apartment. Look, to be fair,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: she did say moving is a loose term, but all
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: over her TikTok, she has been hyping up the fact
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: that she's moving to Paris. On her Instagram, she's even
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: changed in her bio and put the little pin location
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: as Paris.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Well, that's because it's a great hook.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: As we said, like as soon as you say I'm
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: moving to Paris, you're thinking Emily in Paris, you think
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: this is going to be so glamorous.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Would like to live vicariously through you as you moved
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to Paris. Well, she went on to say that ideally
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: she would have liked to be there for at least
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: three months, but that's not going to be possible with
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: her work commitments.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Ideally, I probably would want to stay for at least
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: three months, but just for the timing of this year,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: it's just not going to work because November and December
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: are our busiest periods at JHM and I just need
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: to be here.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Um, but when this.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Opportunity came up with fashion week and this.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Brand, I was like, you know what?
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: I'm going to extend for as long as I can.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: And that's what I'm doing. Like, I'm literally going to
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: be living in Paris. I'm going to find a Pilates
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: studio or maybe like a gym that does like group
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: fitness classes.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: To me, six weeks isn't moving to Paris. That's a holiday.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: It reminds me of when Saffron Barker said she was
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: moving to the US and I think she was there
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: for about five weeks.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was there for an acting gig. Like it
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't moving. It's the perfect clickbait. I mean, to me,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: it sounds like she's.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Just taking advantage of the fact that L'Oreal is paying
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: for her flight over there and she may as well
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: extend the trip. It's like the people that change their
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: location to Bali when they go on holiday. You're like, babe,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: you're there for 10 days. Well, she's really branding it
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: well though because people are calling this jazz in Paris
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and she's saying that Paris is her next chapter. I mean,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the majority of her followers were really excited for her
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: about this move. One follower wrote, I actually said yay
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: out loud hearing you were going to Paris. Seeing a
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: woman in her 30s break out of her comfort zone
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and start living her dream life is so refreshing. Whilst
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: another said, Jazz in her Paris era, here for it. Well,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: for those followers who didn't watch the full YouTube, they
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: were very concerned about what this meant for Jazz's business,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: which is A fair enough question, because she has an
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: office full of people. Yeah, that's why I was initially
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: confused as to why she'd want people to think she'd
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: moved to Paris, because it does leave question marks over
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: her business. Yeah, but it's not like she's a one-man band. Like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: she's had this business for years, and as you said, like, she...
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you know, post a lot about it on TikTok. She's
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: clearly got staff there. I actually think if she had
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: moved to Paris, it could have potentially impacted her business
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: because she is the face of it. And if you're
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: in Australia wanting to buy her brand, you kind of
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: want to resonate with her. Like if she's suddenly in Paris,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: it's just not the same.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I think it would be great for her brand. Imagine
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the photo shoots she could do over there. And bring
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: out a collection that would inspire the Paris. But her
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: core demographic would be in Australia.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but people want to see something different.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And that's why people are actually really engaging in her
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: content because they want to see her living her best
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: life in Paris.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, not everyone was happy though.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: One follower wrote into Influencer Update saying, Jaz Hand telling
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: everyone she's moving to Paris when she's just holidaying there
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: for a few weeks is cringe. Everything is for content
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: with her. And I mean, she definitely has been pumping
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: out the Paris content. To prep for this story, I
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: sat through two one-hour Paris vlogs.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I did put it in fast forward. She's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: done her homework.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: But I mean, she showed herself moving into the apartment
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: where she's going to be living for six weeks.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: She didn't do a.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Full tour for safety reasons, which I respect. She's a
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: woman in her 30s. She's actually aware that it's not
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: safe to put that.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Content out online. Is that after Kim Kardashian got robbed
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: in Paris?
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: It's clear in order to do Paris properly, you've got
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: to have money. And she clearly does because the view
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: out her window looked insane. And she said that she
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: feels like she's living in a movie. And it's something
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: that she's wanted to do for so long. She added
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: that she's the happiest she's been in her whole life.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: And this is why people are getting around it. They're
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: so stoked for her. As you said, Amy, she's the
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: matcha queen. All she's been doing in Paris is literally
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: drinking matcha every day. She's been getting tooth jewels, shopping,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: hanging out with Sofa Dover. Well, I think she's showing
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: this really good side of Paris because I feel like
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: you either love or hate Paris. And when I went there,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I was worried about it because I'd heard so many
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: negative things about pickpocketers.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: And I wish I'd stayed longer because I had such
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: a nice time. Well, it looks absolutely beautiful.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned pickpocketers because Sofa Dofa had this
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: really scary incident where she was walking on, they'd been
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: to the shops and she said, I.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Feel really light. What's going on?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: She realized that she left her Chanel handbag in one
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: of the change rooms and they'd been to four shops since.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Somehow nobody took it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: But it's quite funny because everyone's saying, oh my God,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Sofa Dofa and Jazz Hand, this is the duo that
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: we didn't know we needed because they are the best
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of friends, even though there's quite a big age gap.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: There was one part in Jazz Hand's vlogs where she
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: popped by with a marcher for Jazz. And then in
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the next scene, she's literally helping Jazz fake tan her back.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I actually loved that there was a snippet that Influencer
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Updates shared from Jazz's vlog, and it was them discussing...
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: her take on what they wore to Fashion Week.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: It was absolutely hilarious.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I loved how Sofa Dover's like, she's got our back.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Come on, Amber. It was just bizarre to actually see
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: them consuming the content about themselves.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Just back to Jazz's move. This isn't an isolated thing.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: This is a social media trend. We're seeing a lot
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: of influencers soft launching.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Moves that aren't actually a move. Yeah, that aren't actually happening.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I think it plays into social media rewarding these series
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: like moving series and all that kind of thing so
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: jazz just saying oh i'm going for a six-week holiday
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: to paris it's hardly as enticing as i'm moving to
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: paris yeah i mean it instantly generates excitement and it
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: urges followers to want to tune into the moving series
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: it's a much better story arc that makes you want
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: to tune in i also wonder if this is a
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: bit of a trial run for her it seems like
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: she genuinely wants to experience paris and rather than committing
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: to this permanent move, she's going to test it out
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and see if she could live there and could run
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: her business there. The only concern is it seems kind
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: of disingenuous if you tell your followers that you're moving
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to Paris and then you're suddenly back and everyone's.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Like, wait, wait a sec, was she telling the truth?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: And also then it seems like you haven't really had
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: a good time there. I do think it kind of
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: errs on the side of danger and losing sort of
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: trust with your audience. I mean, also, it's not that revolutionary.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Like most influencers pack up their bag and go to
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Europe for like six weeks.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: During the winter. Well, I think that's all.
• 26:47
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• 26:49
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• 26:52
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