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Captain America: Civil War · The Art of Costume Podcast

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The grand finale gang of incredible costuming.
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We have the one, the only America's ass Captain America, I
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feel like Rogers, I feel like we should sing too.
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National anthem right now. We're not going to but we
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shouldn't cost.
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You my most of Joy glass and I'm captain Pasadena Spencer
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Williams Spencer. Happy Independence Day, who
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happy Independence Day our favorite episode each year.
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Well, maybe not favorite but what I look, It doesn't look
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forward to celebrating America's ass.
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Let's, let's be really, that's why everyone listens to this
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podcast, but they're always just like gosh.
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I can't wait till the Fourth of July episode, of course.
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Anyway, I've noticed this episode's coming out a day.
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Early tomorrow is the Fourth of July, but we all know that
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you're not going to listen to us tomorrow because you'll be drunk
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or eating hot dogs or in a pool like, and honestly, Fourth of
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July, that's what you should be doing, you should be fair, you
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should be Drinking and eating and just like chilling out.
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Yeah I mean I am I'll tell you what I'm not doing listening to
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myself, talk about America's ass but I will be doing that today.
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Yeah yeah yeah. Well and I'll probably do it
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again on Wednesday with that. We are moving into our fun
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patriotic month, talking about America's ass and we have two
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other episodes coming up that I'm so We're excited about yes I
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I never thought we would get any more patriotic than R1 R1
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episode out of the Year celebrating Captain America but
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we did it. We did like a whole month of
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episodes which is very shocking to me.
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Yeah, we have some fun stuff going up, both that, if you've
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been with us since the beginning, you know that every
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year on the fourth of July we celebrate America's favorite
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asked by watching. Captain America actually
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Actually, the first episode we ever recorded was for the first
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Captain America movie. And if you were all there, you
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would be like wolf. This podcast is never coming out
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and it did it did it took to recording sessions and threw it,
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did I forgot we had to take a break, we were both drinking
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because we were very nervous drinking.
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It was 102 in my bedroom at the time and I think that was the
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first and last episode I Tried to edit myself.
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Yeah. Because what Daniel was like do
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you need help? Yes.
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Yes we do. Yeah.
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It was rough. And then last year we talked
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about Captain America, the Winter Soldier which was lots of
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fun. I love that movie.
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And the next this year, Elizabeth what is the name of
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the film? We're watching.
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Now this year we watched Captain America Civil War.
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Whoo. All of my favorites packed into
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one movie. This is a fun one.
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I've only seen it once or twice but it's a lot of fun.
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I think it's just depressing, it's always depressing watching.
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Like you're good guys. Kind of battle out amongst
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themselves. Like you know that doctor
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strange movie were Wanda's kind of, you know, big questionable
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and and this one. Yeah, this is It's hard watching
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your Heroes do non hero type stuff.
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But that being said, this is The great film.
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And why don't you give us a little summary of this
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incredible film Spencer. All right, political pressure
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mounts to install a system of accountability when actions of
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the Avengers, the lead to Collateral Damage to
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understatement. Understatement the new status
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quo, deeply divides, members of the team Captain America
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believes superheroes should remain free to.
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Defend Humanity, without government interference Iron Man
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on other hand sharply disagrees and supports oversight as the
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debate. Escalates into an all-out Feud
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Black Widow, and Hawkeye plus many other heroes must pick a
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side. And that is Captain America
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Civil War as Captain America. If you haven't seen it, go watch
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it. Spencer, where do you fall?
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On this, on either side of this debate, okay, I know you're
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going to ask this, I was My dad is actually in town.
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So we watched it with him. I pick his brain and he
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disagrees with me and I feel like you will too, okay?
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I am on the Iron Man side, but after watching it last night,
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I'm not like fully and Iron Man team.
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I understand idea, and I agree with it that perhaps Avengers
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need some oversight and I agree with, you know, Captain America
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they should have the freedom to like Do what they want to do.
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However, I mean, they've blown up buildings.
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They've dropped cities on people there.
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They've screwed it up a few times.
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So some little oversight I feel like is okay but I don't, you
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know, I think they took it a little too far though with the
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prison and keeping Wanda locked up and stuff like that.
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It's a little over-the-top. I mean, I feel like they need to
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like log their hours or something or Okay, just so you
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know we're going to be dropping a city on these people.
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Do you approve? Yay, or nay.
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I don't know. Just some rules or regulations.
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I think our okay. Yeah.
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So, we're definitely on the same page with this, are we?
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I thought you're definitely Captain America.
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I was like, this is gonna beat my ass on this episode.
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No, because they definitely. I mean, like, the times wanted
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it like the First Avenger Avengers movie, of course, there
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was collateral damage, like, Aliens, attacked the Earth.
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Yeah. And that was not their fault and
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I feel like, yeah, we needed them and then you have Ultron
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and it's like, ultron's kind of your fault that like that was
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your bad Foley, your bed, you're bad.
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And then like the beginning of this movie.
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Also, they're bad. Dude.
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You blew up some wakandans and let me just say, after seeing
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the past two Black Panther movies, this shit is not going
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to fly more than No, it's like you're about to take on some
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very dangerous like bad. He's just without anybody else
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knowing mmm, like, like, come on, like the adventure is at
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least need to like pay up. They're going to be some
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paperwork involved. There's yeah.
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When Captain America is just like well sometimes there are
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casualties and it's like, yeah. But like you said was quite a
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fear. Like, if they weren't there in
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the bad guys, just did their thing probably less people.
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I would have died. I don't know where they were
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trying to rob something. Right in the new one.
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Yeah. And the one more time about.
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Yeah. They were like sobbing
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something, right? No.
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They're trying to stop Crossbones for well, I guess.
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Yeah, of crossbones was trying to steal some biological weapon.
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Okay. Which you know, good thing the
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Avengers were there to stop that but they could have been working
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with the government to be like, hey we're going to be in this
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town, maybe have some people ready to clear the streets or
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No, they're just there needs to be some paperwork involved.
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Before we start blowing up random cities as yeah.
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They needed to make like a shield 2.0 like yeah.
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Where's Nick Fury? If we need some like leadership,
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you know? Yeah.
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So no. I'm on the same page as you and
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I'm with Wanda though it's for like I get why people like
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freaked out by what she did but it's like, literally like she
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was brainwashed and experimented on like hmm, maybe, maybe, like,
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cut the This teenager some slack.
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Yeah. And, you know, yeah, perhaps he
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threw a big old nuclear bomb at the building but she did stop
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the crowd from being completely nuked as well.
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So I don't know. We just yeah, we need to work it
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out. I don't like the way things, you
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know, ended up there need to be some conversations.
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Of course, the politicians ruin everything, but I get where Iron
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Man is coming from. I Love.
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Where Iron Man is coming from because it's like he seems to be
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the only one who liked fully recognizes the trauma.
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They put themselves through. Yeah.
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And it's like no we're making poor decisions because we're
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scared. Yeah we're a little messy.
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Well yeah baby there's Captain America Civil War will see you
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all next week and finally turned from a costume podcast to a jazz
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movie review podcast. I thought this is going to be a
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serious political debate. 8, but I'm relieved.
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But if your listener and you disagreeing, you're Captain
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America or teamironman, you know, send us an email dark
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costume at gmail.com or voice message and we'll, we'll have
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that debate. Its political political
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patriotic month. Let's have those debates.
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That's happened to be about a fake World in these movies.
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Yeah. That big said, Elizabeth.
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Let's hit it. Yes.
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Let's go behind the costumes. We have director.
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Is Anthony and Joe Russo. The Russo Brothers.
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Yeah, bringing us some some of the best Marvel films and then
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we have costume designer, Judy, Anna, Makowski yes.
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You all know from the Six Degrees of Separation
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Pleasantville for which she got an Oscar nomination, Great
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Expectations, The Devil's Advocate Ax Men, the last and
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National Sure. A childhood favorite of mine
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Seabiscuit, for which she received a mother, Oscar
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nomination. What she got nominated for that.
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That's crazy. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's
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Stone. Another not Oscar nomination,
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The Suicide Squad Avengers. Endgame Avengers Infinity, War.
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Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2, and 3 and the Guardians of the
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Galaxy holiday special. Oh my gosh.
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Of the Dulce guards. The Galaxy 3 yet?
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Yes. It took every fiber of my being
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to not texting be like we're doing an episode.
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When the dog days are over started playing I was like yeah
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I think away tears. I'm like so excited.
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We won't spoil it for you all but if it's still in the
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theaters, I highly recommend seeing that movie in the
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theaters because it is just it's a cinematic Masterpiece
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honestly. It's one of my favorite.
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Marvel movies along. Time.
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I think I think it's the best last movie for sure of a Marvel
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like franchise I've seen so far. Yeah, easy and I especially
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liked it because it closes the door for Dave Bautista and just
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like such a beautiful way but then it opens other doors.
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So that other members can continue on and have like new
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adventures and new stories. Yeah, because the garden.
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Galaxy is I'll try not to get too far into this.
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By the Guardians of the Galaxy is like expansive and goes
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beyond, just this like Core group of people.
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Yeah. But what's that?
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Incredible costuming Judy on a Makowski is like an MVP on this
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podcast so I'm excited me to. Let's take a little a little
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break you break. I'll be right back.
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Hell yeah. Senator Elizabeth, are you ready
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to talk Captain America, Civil War?
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And we have a lot of characters go through in this episode.
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Actually, it's not just Captain America anymore.
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No, there are so many characters in this.
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We're just going to kind of like go character by character,
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starting with one of my personal favorites, Black Widow.
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Yeah she looks good in this film as she always does.
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But this film particularly, I feel like black widows really
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hitting her stride. She really is and I think this
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is like a film where like her look is really opened up a
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little bit more in like a Good way and it's just like, lets her
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be her a little bit more than usual.
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And Judy, I wanna talk to vulture about the black widows.
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Look, she said the one that took a little convincing for everyone
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because it was so out of the box for Natasha talking about the
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tan jacket, she wears. Mmm.
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She's not in Disguise, but she's on location trying to blend in.
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In and I thought it would be really different to go with a
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light color. I kind of like that Burberry
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Vibe so we made a jack of her that had everyone saying at
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first. I don't know but then they got
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excited to do something different which was really fun.
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I actually love that quote and I'm so excited that you put that
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in because I was watching this and I was thinking was like,
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wow, this is so different for Natasha.
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This like tan Burberry coat because she is she's not in
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Disguise. She's trying to blend in and to
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best way for her to blend in as dress like you and me and it
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worked perfectly. But I get what she's saying at
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first, I was like, um, and I'm like, no, I actually love it.
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Yeah, it like it's definitely like the color scheme is not.
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What we're used to seeing her character in, even though the
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look is very, it's very black widow is very Natasha.
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Yeah, it's just the color scheme is.
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So, Different for us. One of my personal favorites
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from this movie though is this black like motorcycle jacket she
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has at one point because it's like, it's basic, but like, I'm
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like, who made this? Cuz it looks so good.
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Like, there's something elevated about it that I'm like, I don't
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know if it's in the tailoring or the design, but it's perfect.
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It's a great jacket. And, you know, I think back to
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like, when we watch the Black Widow prequel movie, I It's
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episode 5 of the art accosting podcast season 1.
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And we both know that, you know, Natasha and her sister they
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weren't like super in on what fashion was because they spent
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so much of their lives, just being trained to be these
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killers. So I feel like Natasha ways is
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still trying to figure out what her own personal style is even
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all these years later. With that being said, like, she
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likes a classic just, you know, simple piece but still very
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detailed and structured for her. And looks to me like that black
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widow spider that we love with this motorcycle jacket.
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So that's a good one. Absolutely.
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I also feel like this is one of the first times her like
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superhero look gets a little practical because she starts.
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She has these like knee pads and stuff on her suit this time.
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Which I'm like, oh yeah, that makes sense.
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Because she is like jumping around and like sliding around
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all the time. Like it makes sense that she
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would like protect her like me. He's a little more.
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Yeah, yeah. For sure.
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We also have Wanda, oh, Wanda Wanda.
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Wanda, I actually say, I was feeling sad in this movie.
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Sing Wanda maximoff because it just makes me sad about what
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happened in, you know, doctor strange and Multiverse of
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Madness. I've just like, I'm not not
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happy about this up and down trajectory for her character,
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right? So frustrating.
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It is, and I hope like, in a movie or two.
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We get like some peace for Wanda.
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Yeah, but this was, this is the second movie Wanda was in,
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right? Right.
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Yeah. Because she was, she started an
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Ultron and then Civil Wars. Like, you know, we're dealing
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with the after-effects of Ultron.
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Yeah. And she's like this, like young
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kind of punk teenager, she's not a teenager, I don't think, but
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she's young. She's obviously very young at
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this point. She strikes me as a college
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student. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's a like early 20s. I'm guessing, I don't know.
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Yeah. And Juliana talked to bolster a
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lot about especially just her like her.
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Casual looks saying in the beginning.
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We did have sketches generated from Marvel where Wanda looked
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more like a superhero and the brothers kept saying but she's
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not a superhero yet she still finding herself she's a young
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girl so they asked me to take those sketches and redo it to
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make it a real Real coat, make it wearable.
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We wanted to make them look like real garments.
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Hmm, we were very careful, then in her regular clothes that
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they're not exactly goth, but they're very organic, she
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doesn't look anything like Natasha she doesn't look
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anything like anyone else in the movie.
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Hey I love these quotes to Elizabeth.
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Where did he find this treasure Cho mature.
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Yeah. So true because the Scarlet
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Witch in the comics has like the high cut Like red, you know,
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leotard moment with like the kind of pink, you know, like we
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saw in Wanda Vision her Halloween costume.
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That is like her comic book look so came a gymnast, she just
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showed up to. You Captain America Civil War
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and that that would have been wild so I'm so glad that they're
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like she's not a superhero she's just a young girl who's trying
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to figure out how to not blow up buildings every time she goes to
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action. Exactly.
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And like I love because she spends most of them.
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A movie in just like her day-to-day clothes, just like
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Chillin, and it's like, well yeah.
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She's like a little, a little bit of a goth, a little, a
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little sad. Like she's trying to figure out
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herself. She has zero family left.
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Yeah. And all of a sudden she's being
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told she like can't leave this place.
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Hmm. And she's kind of having a crush
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on the cool Android Robot next to her and you know she's going
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through a lot right now. She's I got a lot a lot.
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I oh, I forgot how like adorable their relationship is and how it
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started out like so cute. It's so dark, you.
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It's a little weird at first I was trying to explain to my dad.
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He's like, who is that? Only go?
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That's Vision. He's like a robot but not
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really. And I don't know.
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He, he ends up getting, you know hooking up with this girl and
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then you know, there's a town and he's like with don't think
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about it. Yeah.
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In Marvel, their relationship is one thing you just don't think
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about. Yes, not think about it, it's
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hot. Yeah, that's all that matters.
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But yeah, and actually, one of my favorite costumes for in a
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film is like the Scarlet Witch, like red coat that she ends up
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getting into, its, when she's starting to get a little too who
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she is, as she doesn't know, but the Scarlet Witch, eventually,
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but right now, she's just cool. Wanda with like, this fun read
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kind of Blade type, Trench coat kind of Matrix a little bit but
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little little Hot Topic in a cool way.
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You know, it's very hot topic. Come on.
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It's Hot Topic is not a bad thing on this podcast.
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It's very hot topic, especially that corset underneath.
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Like yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking is the corset, which
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it's like you look at it and you're like, well, that's a
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little ridiculous. But then you're like, well, a
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young person who's like, Of goth.
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That is exactly what they would think to have as their superhero
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look. Hmm.
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Yeah. 100%. Yeah.
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That's one of my favorites. Another one of my favorites.
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Speaking of vision Vision in this movie, I it like especially
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what he walks through the walls and he's like, I don't know.
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I laugh every time someone tries to fight Vision because I'm like
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has no one figured out that you can't.
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You literally can't fight. Vision.
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There's just nothing works. It's so hard.
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Yeah. What are you doing?
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Who was it was like, I don't know, Ant-Man or something.
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Like what are we doing here? Yeah, and Judy on a talked to
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Walter. Again, about Visions look
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saying, what would Jarvis where I thought he would be confident
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and elegant in his tastes almost perfect.
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So we decided to look into the men of the 1940s, like Cary
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Grant very simple, flannel trousers, it's sort of hidden
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under his shirt, but it's there and about that.
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She's talking, she, they put an ascot like in his look.
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Apparently, I can't see it but I'm like, yes, that's exactly
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who he is. He is 1940s gentlemen, I never
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even thought of it actually, until like wanna visit, but now
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you're looking back Visions, like, all Dapper up and suited
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up. He's very polished and
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professional. It's just so funny.
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He's so classy. What would Jarvis?
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We're so funny. Julian has cool.
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So cool. And I always forget that like,
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oh yeah, Vision was Jarvis before.
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Mmm, getting the the stone. Yeah.
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Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, he looks very polished.
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On wonder want to gets a little crush.
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She's all put together. Yes, who is it?
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Not. So put together in this movie is
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Iron Man himself in the midst of a crisis.
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I would say, yeah. He's kind of spiraling
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throughout this movie. He's, you know, wants some
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things to go his way and they're definitely not.
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He's going through like trouble back home with pepper.
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Who's not in this movie? And, you know, they have a lot
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of sleepless nights. Yeah.
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A lot of random. People harassing him, at
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elevators being like, Hey, You Dropped a building on my son?
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You know, things are weighing on him.
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Yeah, yeah. But I wouldn't say he's looking
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to shovel, though. He still has gained rest, but as
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far as Tony goes, it's a little unruly.
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He's clearly going through it. Yeah, and Judy Anna talked to
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tyranny of style about his look saying when I had my first First
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meeting with the russos and Robert Downey jr.
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We decided that Tony would have a much more understated style.
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He no longer needed to have over-the-top clothing but any
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suit, our jacket. He wore would have to be just so
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elegant and well-tailored that you would immediately know.
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It was extremely expensive and bespoke without screaming a
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fashion label. I designed all his suits and
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shirts. With that in mind and had them
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made in Allah, his casual clothing was a combination of
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different fashion pieces. Robert Downey jr.
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Has an incredible sense of style, and he knows Tony,
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Stark's progression from film to film.
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So he was wonderful to collaborate with.
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That's great. I love that right?
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Yeah, I can imagine, this is an interesting character to
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designing and specially with Robert Downey jr.
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Because he no one knows his character better than he does.
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Is so no really. This is where storytelling in
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costume. As I really plays a role, just
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the movement of the costumes throughout this long character
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trajectory. I mean, we're only like halfway
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through to story of Iron Man at this point and already so many
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things have happened. Yeah, and I love that like,
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yeah, he's not over-the-top anymore, which is I think is
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what lends to that kind of like, oh, you can tell Tony's like
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struggling a little bit because we're so used to all these
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Holmes, he is like absolutely over the top and this is the
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first time he's like taking it down.
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Yeah, a notch. Yeah, definitely such a great
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character, I miss Iron Man. Oh, that's a great character.
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Speaking of great characters. Oh my gosh.
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Here it comes. We have my favorite.
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We have James Buchanan. Barnes the third.
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We have. Bucky AKA The Winter Soldier.
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Say the Winter Soldier. He really doesn't do much.
25:55
But in this film, besides look, fantastic actually, he does do a
25:58
lot in this film. I'm sorry.
25:59
Yeah, he goes. He goes through it.
26:02
He's at the wrong place and the wrong time.
26:04
In this one, he's trying to live his undercover.
26:08
I just want to go to museums era.
26:11
Yeah, some jerk dresses. Up like him and ruined his life.
26:17
He's like, trying to figure out. He's like, okay.
26:19
I'm like starting to understand that like I was brainwashed and
26:23
like I had a life before like My life now like he's trying to
26:27
figure things out and it's ruined.
26:30
Yeah, it is ruined. Uh-huh.
26:37
So, Judy Anna. Once again, talk to vulture
26:41
about the Winter Soldier, saying, when we started on
26:45
Winter Soldier, the Russo brothers were very adamant.
26:48
Their version was that the superhero Heroes live in the
26:52
world today and if they walked out the door, And Washington,
26:56
d.c. Washington.
26:57
D.c. nobody would look twice. Even if they were in superhero
27:01
suits, they don't like colors that pop so much and I feel like
27:06
that perfectly describes what Bucky wears like pretty much all
27:11
the time. However, she also told vulture
27:16
that they literally custom-made like every piece of clothing he
27:21
wears. Yeah, that makes sense.
27:24
This is not a shopping move. Especially not for Bucky's
27:26
character because when he has the arm on when he has the like
27:33
the mechanical arm on. They also have to custom make
27:35
everything to fit over that. She was like, you know, you just
27:39
can't like, pop like whatever you want.
27:43
On top of that arm, like you have to like fit it, right?
27:46
So it's like, well he his look looks very simple, it's not.
27:51
Yeah, I mean, where are you gonna, what story going to go to
27:54
the has Costumes ready to go for the winter soldier that all only
27:59
have one arm where I love what you said that?
28:04
Well, what Jew Dianna said, and I quote to about how a lot of
28:08
the costumes, not just some Bucky, but in general for
28:11
Marvel, they have to be able to step out into Washington.
28:14
D.c. Yeah.
28:16
And I feel like, that's what I've always loved about, Marvel
28:18
costumes compared to like say costumes and other superhero,
28:22
universes, because they just feel, Realistic and believable,
28:28
you know, like you could see some of these characters and be
28:31
like that could be a actual superhero, you know?
28:35
I mean yes, they're over the top sometimes.
28:38
But most of the time like you could believe it and kind of buy
28:41
into the story. Whereas something that's not
28:44
like really tight spandex, you know, with letters and flashy
28:49
colors. It's not not as believable.
28:51
I would say like, especially any Marvel movie that takes This
28:55
place on Earth. It's very much if someone
29:00
revealed themselves to be a superhero tomorrow and started
29:03
saving the world. Like this is how things would
29:06
happen. Like this is how they would
29:07
look. Yeah.
29:09
But with that, it was so good to see James.
29:11
Buchanan. Barnes the third, he's such a
29:13
great guy. I love getting a chance to talk
29:16
about him every July, right? It's my favorite.
29:20
It's my favorite time of the year.
29:23
It's our holiday. However, he is by far not the
29:29
most important character in this movie, that has to go to the
29:34
Black Panther who is introduced in this film.
29:39
Oh my gosh. The KU I just, I love this way
29:43
we'd because this is the introduction of Chadwick
29:45
Boseman, who we miss dearly, who plays the Black Panther just
29:49
such a great intro to. He doesn't even really have to
29:53
do that much just him being at the I'd Nations and talking to
29:57
you Natasha Romanoff. You just know that, you know, at
30:01
this point we don't know too much about him and walk on De
30:04
unless he read the comics, but you just know, like, oh, this
30:06
guy's cool important and he plays it so well, he absolutely
30:11
does and I love it because he's introduced us to Chala first.
30:14
Like, you don't know, like, he's the Black Panther, you don't
30:17
even like know the Black Panthers necessarily going to be
30:20
in the movie. Yeah.
30:21
Like story-wise. And it's funny because everyone
30:24
in a movie just talks about what And I was like this place that's
30:27
like, sounds like it's struggling, you know, the
30:29
station and Africa. So you know, they really keep
30:32
the suspense up, not just in the film, but just for people
30:36
watching the film to, you know. Yeah.
30:38
You know, just as much as Captain America at this moment.
30:41
Exactly. And when talking about his look,
30:46
Judy wanna talk to tyranny of stat style saying the concept
30:51
for the Black Panther costume came from, Marvel's visual
30:55
development. Development, Ryan burning their
30:57
head of visual development and I worked very closely to tried to
31:01
get this costume. Realized, it has many patterns
31:06
intertwined, particularly etched into the helmet, hands and feet
31:12
the suit itself had to be very malleable and flexible but still
31:17
look like it has vibranium vibranium woven into it.
31:22
The actor needed to have very feline movement.
31:25
So to find a fabric that would convey, that was a challenge, it
31:30
was made up of stretch with three-way interwoven textures as
31:36
well as molded pieces. The hardest part was getting the
31:40
suit not to be bulky and reflect the body of a gymnast instead of
31:46
a muscular superhero. Hmm, that's cool.
31:50
You know, we've never really got to get into like the very
31:53
details of the Black Panther But there's not a lot of information
31:56
on like the actual construction of it, and this is exciting.
32:01
And, you know, I always forget that Judy on a Makowski worked
32:05
on like the first, black panther suit.
32:07
Yeah. And like, you can really tell
32:11
like her designs were carried over into the first Black
32:15
Panther movie. Although, even the Ruth Carter
32:18
very much, took it, and made it her own.
32:21
Yeah, you can tell she kind of played off the design in the
32:25
Civil War. Our movie actually here.
32:27
Let me grab something real quick.
32:29
Is that the book? Yeah.
32:31
So I was actually looking at this last night with my dad, I
32:34
have like a original comic of Oh Black Panther issue where he's
32:38
fighting cloth and looks like you know he beats a shove, all
32:41
the other Ventures and it has Black Panther and this is like
32:46
what it reminds me of because it's like a very simple just
32:49
like black look. Yeah, so this is why I feel like
32:53
really what Judy on and the team are trying to do is just like
32:55
The classic. It's really like a black cat.
32:58
I would say. Yeah, you know, they're not
33:00
focusing so much on a details, it's really trying to blend in
33:03
and I think it's later on when Ruth Carter gets ahold of it and
33:06
he becomes king t'challa, that's when they start to embellish it
33:10
with more. Yeah, the kind of Royal aspect
33:13
of it. So right now he's just like the
33:16
I'm mad. And I'm avenging, my dad kick
33:19
ass black panther. Yeah.
33:22
And we have the introduction of another superhero.
33:28
I forgot that Spiderman was interested in this Spiderman was
33:33
brought into the MCU during Captain America, civil war with
33:39
the adorable. Tom Holland.
33:41
It's baby Tom. It's so cute.
33:45
I forgot it was this really? So there is no Spider-Man movies
33:49
at this point, right? No, because they had they had
33:53
ended the ones with Andrew. Garfield's done.
33:56
I just Garfield. Yeah.
33:57
You've been done for like a couple years.
33:59
Yeah. Yep.
34:01
Tom Holland, the looks like a baby so cute.
34:05
I love the pizza shirt. He wears just the white T-shirt
34:08
with the hoodie over. It's very yeah it's just Peter
34:12
Parker to a tea that you imagine and you know how I feel about
34:16
Tom Holland. I think he's definitely my
34:18
favorite Spider-Man and just yeah cool thing.
34:21
His intro and he was the first one that really felt like a
34:25
teenager Yeah yeah that's what's important to me like that's why
34:29
I love his Spider-Man. Like, he feels so real.
34:32
It's fun seeing the journey to that.
34:34
I don't think they really intended.
34:36
But like, in Civil War, he's, you know, he's annoying and he's
34:40
just talking so much and even, you know, like winter soldier
34:44
and Falcon, they're like, you know, this guy freaking sucks,
34:48
you know. And then it's fun like going to
34:51
where we were, you know, the recent Spider-Man film and
34:53
seeing like how much of a like Mature adult.
34:56
He is what he's trying to do to like save his friends and
34:59
family. So it's fun seeing that Journey.
35:02
Absolutely. And at the beginning of this
35:05
journey, Judy, I wanna talk to tyranny of style about
35:09
Spider-Man. She said, the Spider-Man concept
35:13
was also Marvel generated. I knew before we started
35:17
prepping Civil War. That there was a chance that we
35:20
would get Spider-Man in the film.
35:23
But the deal with Sony was Finalized until prep, was almost
35:28
finished. Oh my gosh!
35:30
That's crazy. That's not a lot of time to make
35:34
the suit. And we did not have an actor
35:37
cast. So we had to make the suit
35:40
without his measurements. My gosh, I've never had a bigger
35:44
challenge, it had been talked about that, we wanted to go back
35:49
to a less fussy costume and bring back the essence of the
35:54
original Spider. Man from the comics.
35:57
I think a lot of printed textures are getting over done
36:02
on some superhero costumes. So we wanted a simpler texture
36:07
more like a high-tech cord Cordura, something Tony Stark
36:12
would have created, that would be very Sleek.
36:16
I also wanted a fabric that was a little thicker for battle less
36:20
leotard like as used on past suits and that presented.
36:25
Its own problems. Such as more wrinkles, he is so
36:30
young and vibrant and new in the story.
36:34
So we echoed that in the color is so fun.
36:37
I didn't realize, I mean, I remember back then but that they
36:41
were still in the Sony battle. So they were like, there might
36:44
be a Spider-Man in this movie, who knows?
36:47
I mean every time a Tom Hollands, Spider-Man has come
36:50
out. It's been like a up in the air.
36:51
Like is Sony gonna make it or as Marvel gonna make And they're
36:56
having that conversation again. It's like let's let's put this
37:00
to bed, everyone. We all know that Marvel does.
37:03
The Spider-Man story better? Let's just I know it's hard for
37:07
me to let go but let's just let it go.
37:10
Let it go, son. Sony, you will get your money.
37:12
Yeah. We all your money, Sony.
37:14
We all just watched morbius will.
37:16
Let's not go down that road. You clearly can't be trusted not
37:24
saying it's all right. People love Venom but yeah.
37:28
Oh, that's I've actually never seen Venom me neither, but I
37:31
know people like it. Yeah, I know people like it to
37:33
weight was deaf or Sony. I think that's a cool is good.
37:39
Sony. Yeah so you keep Deadpool unless
37:42
we were a took it but you keep that leaves Spider-Man alone.
37:46
Yeah, you'll get your cut for Marvel.
37:48
Don't worry about it. This podcast is not sponsored by
37:54
Sony. Sony has made a slew of other
37:58
fantastic films though. Yes, don't put that out there.
38:01
True. True true.
38:03
Like they are a Powerhouse. Always Spider-Man.
38:07
Looks great. This is actually the original
38:09
like Spider-Man costume is one of my favorites and I love how
38:12
they even show the cup. Between remember that footage
38:15
were, it Tony's showing Peter like the Spider-Man flying
38:20
around with the bad goggles and just like, they're really bad
38:23
costume. So I love that.
38:25
Tony was like, let me help you out a little bit here and I also
38:29
love like how she Echoes. The fact that he's Spider-Man in
38:34
this this piece, T-shirt look, hmm.
38:38
Because it's like he's got it's a white T-shirt, read on the
38:41
front and then his little his jacket.
38:44
His little hoodie is like this very deep, like navy blue.
38:48
So it's like he is Spider-Man in and out of the suit.
38:52
Yeah. Oh man.
38:53
I love it. That's it.
38:55
Such a great entrance. Just joyous, you know,
38:59
especially because it's such a dark movie.
39:00
So, it feels nice, or just have a little bit, like, that's Peter
39:03
Parker, even, my dad was like, did she?
39:06
She just say Peter of like, yeah, it's beautiful Caribbean.
39:12
It's so good. Also, another fantastic
39:15
character. We have Ant-Man.
39:18
Yes. Played by our favorite vampire.
39:20
Paul Ryan. No, remember we do.
39:23
He's a, he's a, he's a. He's a replicant.
39:27
Yeah, that's somehow figured out how to live more than four
39:32
years. Yeah, yeah.
39:34
Yeah. We had an event which I forget,
39:38
I forgot he was in this film. It's, this is a hard one and
39:42
again, to explain. So a man's had a movie at this
39:45
point in the series. Yeah, no, I mean, I love the
39:49
Ant-Man suit, it's ridiculous and which is why I love it
39:52
because it really mirrors like the comic book at man that's
39:55
just one. You just can't like make you
39:58
can't walk out in Washington DC and the suit like no matter how
40:01
hard you try it. So let's just make it as cool
40:04
and high-tech as possible but still Still keep, you know,
40:07
close to that man. Look absolutely another one.
40:10
You also cannot really walk out into the streets for is the
40:16
Falcon Sue. It's like he can not one.
40:21
He's wearing that. That's out the wings.
40:23
Maybe. But what the wings.
40:24
It's a little hard to mistake. It is so hard.
40:28
I do like that. It's very like, it looks very
40:30
much like a battle suit not like a superhero suit which I really
40:34
appreciate though. This To call exactly and Judy on
40:39
at talk to tyranny. Asylum about both Ant-Man and
40:43
the Falcon saying Ant-Man, the Falcon received a high tech
40:49
upgrades in Civil War. Although the prototypes we made
40:53
for Falcon was, was actually used in Ant-Man in the Ant-Man
40:58
film, the suit is a retro suit. The new suit is supposed to
41:02
reflect a more modern Stark technology.
41:06
She so I investigated new techniques in the manufacturing,
41:11
this suit was not all stretch, some of it is made of laser cut
41:18
and Laser etched vinyl and leather to give it a harder and
41:22
shinier feel. I have to point out that once
41:26
the sketches get into the hands of the makers and Craftsmen, the
41:30
magic really begins, they are geniuses and transform all the
41:35
ideas. Matter how interesting a concept
41:38
is it really is just that a drawing.
41:41
If it's not made in an intelligent way, it will not be
41:46
successful the makers and Craftsmen on my team brings so
41:50
much to the table. They are amazing and I cannot
41:53
praise them enough. I have a full shop of Cutters
41:57
and Craftsmen and most of the clothes that are in the film are
42:01
made in-house. My Cutters on Civil War were
42:04
Dale women. Marilyn Madsen Ruth, ha Z and
42:09
Robin Gibb heart plus scores of brilliant craftspeople.
42:14
Well, I love a team. Shout out right.
42:18
You know, I'm really loving this episode because I, when you
42:21
think of superhero costumes, I don't know.
42:24
They just seem so impossible to me to make so just of the
42:27
breakdowns like, you know, it's a stretch fabric and a little
42:30
moments like that. It's cool to just know that this
42:33
is real costuming. You know, people tend to think
42:35
it's just G.i. And it's not there's incredible
42:37
people behind the scenes are working to cut these Fabrics,
42:41
build them, sketch them out, you know, print them.
42:43
It's yeah, it's a real process which is, I mean, this is why we
42:46
do this, you know, exactly like it's all real and it's like,
42:51
yeah, CG is used a little bit here and there, but at the end
42:55
of the day, the actor has to wear something.
42:57
It has to be 100% believable or like the film's.
43:02
Not going to look as good. Their performance might not be
43:05
as good. Good.
43:07
And it's so important. Yeah.
43:09
And I bet you they use the actual Ant-Man costume to like
43:13
scan it and to be able to make, you know, the the small, the
43:17
small Ant-Man and the very large Ant-Man is very necessary.
43:20
So, costume designers are just so important to this process.
43:24
So important also who was important to the Civil War
43:29
process. We have Hawkeye, making an
43:31
appearance for Sakai quick little, I always feel bad for
43:35
hockey. Because they comes out of
43:37
retirement to clean up this mess and gets instantly sent to jail,
43:40
which he is very salty about. And honestly, this is when I
43:44
started to waver on my team Iron Man, this is all I can do now.
43:48
This kind of sucks. Yeah, neither Captain America or
43:54
Tony Stark were 100%, right? No, not at all also shout-out to
43:59
Jeremy Renner. He's gone through a lot lately,
44:01
if that accident, and I'm glad to see that he's up and Adams.
44:06
You know what this new like Renner show on Disney plus and
44:09
I'm just, I'm glad he's still with us because I couldn't
44:11
imagine losing another one of our Marvel heroes.
44:14
So, yeah, it out to you. Jeremy Renner.
44:17
Shout out to Jeremy Renner. I want a second season of
44:20
Hawkeye. Yeah.
44:23
And he still looks like a baddie.
44:25
And this armor is him and it's very tactical.
44:28
Like you kind of mentioned. He still has like the one arm
44:33
kind of look that I love. Very If the metric and all black
44:39
you just looks like a baddie. You know, I wouldn't mess up
44:41
this guy. I don't know why he fires arrows
44:43
at Vision, you know, that really bothers me because it's not
44:46
Landing, but yeah, it still looks cool when he does it.
44:50
Absolutely. I think like Hawkeyes one of my
44:54
favorites because he's just so practical.
44:57
Yeah, all the time he's like, yeah, I'm here to help but like,
45:01
yeah, but don't call me after this.
45:03
Yeah. Like, I'm dying.
45:06
I want to go raise my cute family out in the middle of
45:09
nowhere. My favorite part actually, is,
45:12
when he and black widow are fighting, and she gets them on
45:14
the ground and his right at like, punch his lights out.
45:17
And she says, something like we're still friends, right?
45:19
And he's like, yeah, I'm just here fighting dude, I don't
45:23
know. I only know why we're here.
45:27
It's almost like she was like also be invited to Thanksgiving
45:29
dinner, right? Right.
45:30
Like she's also having a good time, it's really Steve and Tony
45:34
need to have this argument Being a conference room somewhere.
45:37
But, yeah, absolutely. Tony should have just like gone
45:41
to the Avengers compound and been like, hey, let's talk this
45:44
out. Like she kind of did try that
45:47
actually. But yeah, but he like was like
45:50
here sign this. Here's a u.s. senator like yeah.
45:56
He didn't really like, sit down with Captain America to like,
45:59
talk it out. No, not really, but yes,
46:03
incredible costuming and Answer the grand finale gang of
46:08
incredible costuming. We have the one, the only
46:13
America's ass haften America. Whoa, whoa.
46:21
Whoa. I feel like, I feel like we
46:24
should sing the national anthem right now.
46:26
We're not going to, but to go to our graduation where the
46:30
national anthem was sung and I was like, they still do, like
46:34
this is what thing at graduations climb.
46:36
Been to high school graduation since I graduated from high
46:38
school. So I was like do I even remember
46:42
the words to this song though? I never did?
46:46
But yes, Captain America. We, you know, we've talked about
46:49
his Evolution through the years and his Armor gets more sick
46:54
every single time we do a Captain America episode, but we
46:58
also have some fun costumes. I laugh every time when I see
47:02
Steve Rogers and his disguise at the bar like shut, Shut the fuck
47:07
up. This is a man who paid on
47:09
aviators and a blue hat. And thinking, No One's Gonna
47:11
think that's America's ass. It is so funny, and to Dianna
47:16
talks to tyranny of style about his everyday.
47:20
Look, she said in Civil War, Steve is now adjusted to the
47:25
world. So we felt, we could
47:27
reintroduce, the brown leather. So I designed a leather jacket
47:31
for him. That would be modern, but
47:33
classic at the same time. By using a washed leather, it
47:37
immediately became more modern. I always kept in mind that he
47:42
should exhibit a classic All-American.
47:44
Look with slim cut jeans and trousers, and simple t-shirts.
47:49
I love that, man, you really came in with the behind a
47:52
costume facts. This episode.
47:53
Thank you. But yeah, like this probably is
47:59
the most comfortable that you see are I should say it's the
48:02
first time you see Steve comfortable in the modern world,
48:06
Yeah he's adjusted. You know baseball has gotten
48:09
cooler lots of great Tech so he's enjoying it, you know, he
48:13
is enjoying it and I'm enjoying the progression of his Captain
48:18
America suit to Dianna said, Captain America's new uniform
48:24
has become a subtle progression from his winter stole jur.
48:28
Stealth sue his iconic. Look in Age of Ultron was based
48:32
on a combination of both WWII suit.
48:36
And his stealth suit from Winter Soldiers, but the tone of the
48:40
Avenger films are more colorful than Captain America films.
48:44
So, when it came to make the suit for civil war, we change
48:48
some of the details and colors, surprisingly, the blue is the
48:53
same color and texture as the South stealth suit Age of
48:58
Ultron. It just looks different with
49:00
different details. Their red is darker, the Russo
49:04
brothers and more Ville. Loved the stealth suit so much
49:08
that I tried to make a stealth like suit with the iconic
49:12
Captain America suit details. Other subtle changes are in the
49:17
gloves leg pockets and boots and it's and it's a little more
49:23
Sleek than Ultron. Yeah, that's good stuff because
49:26
it's true you see Captain America role of to that airport
49:30
and he just looks the best he's ever looked.
49:32
And it's subtle changes, it's very subtle has to do with it.
49:36
Color and just like sleekness of it.
49:38
But it's just for some reason you see him and it looks modern
49:41
because it represents parts of you know, his World War Two look
49:45
but just looks modern and yes you know, that's America's ass
49:49
right there. Absolutely.
49:52
Absolutely. And with that Spencer, we have
49:55
come to the end of Captain America, Civil War.
49:59
That was fun. Either will have more.
50:01
This is a good time. I know.
50:06
I love our annual annual tradition.
50:09
I think this is my favorite one. I mean I always will have the
50:11
first one in my heart because is our first episode we ever
50:14
recorded but this was a good one.
50:15
It was a good variety. It definitely is.
50:19
All right Elizabeth. I am nervous to play the game
50:23
this time because I have a few different options and honestly I
50:27
haven't decided I'm Gonna Let You Go first Daniel hit the
50:31
track so one costume to rule them all.
50:36
Mall. Okay.
50:40
Lisbeth. Why don't you go first?
50:43
I have to say this is a hard one.
50:45
Mmm, it's very hard. So many characters are
50:47
introduced. So many new looks that become a
50:51
staple. This prepared for this one we've
50:53
ever done. Actually, I think so.
50:57
Um, because it's usually usually, I feel like in a movie
51:00
or TV show. It's like, I have my favorite
51:01
character, and their favorite book, and I always feel like
51:05
like that's it. It more.
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There is genuinely just such an iconic look from that movie that
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I'm like, well, this has to be. Yeah.
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This has to be the one but for Captain America, Civil War.
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I am going to go with Wanda's superhero look, okay?
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Because it sets the stage, miss us.
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The stage for her, look throughout all the other films,
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the TV show. I feel like it kind of it starts
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there. Yeah, okay.
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Okay. Yeah, that's it.
51:37
But I mean, that was one of my options.
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It's such a good one because it's funny, you know, it's her
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trying to understand who she is as a person.
51:47
What it means to be a superhero, you know, if they even use that
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word, she's still playing to who she is, which is Scarlet, which,
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you know, will she wants say that.
51:57
But she's Wanda and she's a little bit more, edgier kind of
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goth but not really, she doesn't really understand American
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fashion at this point either. And like she's very like she has
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magical powers. Like that's just, yeah, that's
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what it is. And she's like trying to figure
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that out. So I feel like the, like the,
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the Punky goth look really fits fits with that.
52:19
Yeah. Okay.
52:22
Well sir, okay, let's hear one costume to rule them all.
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I'm wavering between three of them actually.
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One of those want those? I know I'm really narrowing it
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down. My second runner-up, I think, is
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Steve's casual. Look, because I do love the fact
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that he's established himself and society and he's gained used
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to, you know, what? We love to wear.
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But I think my favorite costume is Is probably going to be, this
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is hard, I'm gonna go with two challahs.
52:58
Look, the Black Panthers because this is the emergence of a
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African prince. He is strong and but also
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mysterious at this point and I love the fact that they just
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like really took the comic book knowledge of this is you know,
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it's a panther, it's a cat and he has to blend in and it's very
53:19
dark and black but very subtle. This really sets up the
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transition of the Black Panther suit into the Black Panther
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films, where he becomes the king, and it gets a bit more
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embellished. So I just love the introduction
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of this like kind of cool slate. That's ready to just take off
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and end up winning two Oscars, you know?
53:40
Absolutely, absolutely. That's, that's a good one.
53:43
That's a great one. Honorary.
53:44
Mention to the Spider-Man suit though, you are very right
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there, too. Oh man, this is a hard one.
53:50
I know. Honorable mention to also his
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pizza shirt. Yes.
53:57
Yes. The people say, honestly, I
53:59
think it shows that I almost chose that about the Amazon, the
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pizza shirt for you and I after this, so good on both of us.
54:08
I mean, I don't look good in white, but I'm willing to do for
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the pizza shirt. Yes, yes.
54:13
Oh, sure. And what that?
54:17
If you have a one costume to rule them all for Captain
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America, Civil War. Can leave us a voicemail at six
54:24
two six five one five one eight hundred six or email us at the
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art of costume at gmail.com Spencer.
54:33
Yes. I would love to read all of your
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guys's comments on this. I was I'm still torn actually in
54:38
this moment but let us know, let us know.
54:42
Yeah, I'm very excited about our next episode because we're
54:47
keeping our patriotic month going and I I brought up this
54:52
idea to you, like last year and I've been patiently waiting
54:57
because we are really changing it up on the podcast.
55:00
We are going to be watching Hamilton the theater production
55:05
on Disney plus next week. Yeah, I'm excited cuz I remember
55:12
watching it when it first came out on Disney plus because I
55:15
think I've been hearing about it and I was like, what?
55:17
Because like I'm not I'm not a theater person in that way.
55:21
I'm not, I'm not like looking out for like, the latest musical
55:27
arrows about held on Hallett. I'm like, what is what, what is
55:30
this show about? I was like, I knew who Hamilton
55:33
was. I was like, how did they make a
55:35
musical out of the life of Alexander Hamilton?
55:39
You like, it wasn't like Computing in my brain.
55:43
I found my watch, I was like, oh my gosh, this is so good.
55:46
It's and like, so fun. Visually it does one of my At
55:51
things which is put people in like a monochromatic hmm costume
55:58
which is one of my favorite things.
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Yeah, we're going to get all into it.
56:02
We have so many behind the costume facts for next week.
56:04
But Paul has well, does the costumes who we talked about
56:07
when we did West Side Story? And what we talked about then
56:11
was Paul's use of color is so prominent.
56:15
And this film really well, this production really realized on
56:19
the costumes and the And how ads to storytelling.
56:23
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57:14
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57:18
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