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The REAL Difference Between Leaders Who SUCCEED and Those Who BURN OUT · Business Roundtable

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Business Roundtable podcast. Is going
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Speaker 1: to be a really fun episode. I'm excited to have
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Speaker 1: returning guests. I'm one of your hosts here, David Carr
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Speaker 1: Steward your business where I focus on helping bring teams
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Speaker 1: together to accomplish great things, and we're going to be
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Speaker 1: talking about leadership and personal wellbeing. How do you find
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Speaker 1: the balance between being a leader and well being in
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Speaker 1: your life. With that, we've got one of our foremost
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Speaker 1: experts in the place of personal well being, health and wellness, Heather.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Patty, Thank you for having me. David. Hi, guys,
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. This is a huge topic for me,
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Speaker 2: and honestly, it's one of those that's it's actually really
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Speaker 2: good to talk about and get different perspectives, because for
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Speaker 2: every leader I've ever talked to, including myself, it is
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Speaker 2: actually a challenge to find balance because it seems like
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Speaker 2: we're either all out or stop still right, and there's
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Speaker 2: importance that balance of an importance in their well being.
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Speaker 2: When I think about well being, I don't think about
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Speaker 2: just make sure that I'm nurturing myself and nourishing myself,
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Speaker 2: but I think about how I can nurture and nourish
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Speaker 2: the people on my team and the people that I'm
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Speaker 2: reaching out to, so things important to live by example,
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Speaker 2: I'll go ahead. It's kind of call set up there
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Speaker 2: and get the guys another chance to talk to.
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Speaker 1: Do a deep dive here, Heather, So we're glad you here. Bill,
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Speaker 1: welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Thank you sir.
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Speaker 4: It is my pleasure to be back. My name is
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Speaker 4: Bill Hatch. I am a leadership guide with tv W
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Speaker 4: Leadership and I am a podcaster host of the Not
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Speaker 4: Quite After Midnight podcast where we go into weird places
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Speaker 4: with with random guests.
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Speaker 1: You guys find that podcast, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That sounds awesome. I need to watch.
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Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: Back Bill and Charlie, Welcome back, Charlie.
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Speaker 5: It's great to be back, just at the tail end
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Speaker 5: of my of my cold. So if I start coughing
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Speaker 5: here and there, I apologize. In events, my name is
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Speaker 5: Charlie Chen almost like the detective Charlie chan Off by
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Speaker 5: one letter for the older folks. We get that reference.
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Speaker 5: And I'm the chief experience officer in Telisis. We do
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Speaker 5: cyber security where we deliver peace of mind to small
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Speaker 5: to mid sized businesses.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you you're we're going to be diving into
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Speaker 1: kind of tech leadership and how you manage stress in
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Speaker 1: these these fast paced industries Charlie among other others here
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Speaker 1: on the on the podcast. And so you know, you
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Speaker 1: guys all know because I put it in our chat
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Speaker 1: early today. This is my birthday also, so we're celebrating
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Speaker 1: my fifty fifth number fifty one today. I'm excited about that,
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Speaker 1: thank you. And so it's fun to say, Okay, how
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Speaker 1: do we lead how do we have personal well being?
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Speaker 1: And and so you know, I'll start coming back with you, Heather,
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Speaker 1: but I want to open it up with this balance
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Speaker 1: challenge that we have. And I hear it particularly actually
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Speaker 1: i've heard it more honestly in some of the younger
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Speaker 1: generations of Gen Z millennials where they're like, well, I
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Speaker 1: want to find this work life balance or what does
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Speaker 1: that look like? Maybe they're not using the word leadership,
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Speaker 1: but really is you know, sharing how do we balance
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Speaker 1: demands of how we lead our lives in our personal
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Speaker 1: well being? And you know, in this podcast we're talking
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Speaker 1: about business career. That doesn't mean you know, and so
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Speaker 1: what does that look like? Uh, you know, and just
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that challenge howther you mentioned earlier,
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Speaker 1: like the balance challenge.
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Speaker 2: It really is a challenge. And I think one of
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Speaker 2: the things for me personally is I'm a gen X kid,
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Speaker 2: So you know, we worked, we still work. You know,
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Speaker 2: most people that our gen xers are still working even
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Speaker 2: in their sixties and seventies, right, And so there's a
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Speaker 2: certain value that we put on ourselves with what we do.
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Speaker 2: But a lot of a lot of people are breaking
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Speaker 2: themselves as they continue working on later in higher years
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Speaker 2: because they fail to they try to keep going at
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Speaker 2: the pace that we're going, but they really need some
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Speaker 2: health care self care, right. And it's a it's a challenge,
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Speaker 2: first of all, because knowing something and doing something or
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Speaker 2: two different things.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: I Mean, if I'm coaching somebody, I can talk to them,
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Speaker 2: I can give them some things that they can do
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Speaker 2: and help them with that. But then I need to
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Speaker 2: practice what I preach, right, I need to step back
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Speaker 2: and take time for myself. I need to I travel
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Speaker 2: a lot, and so I'm always trying to find between travel,
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Speaker 2: work and myself, you know, because the whole point of
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Speaker 2: traveling is for work but also exploring, and you just
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Speaker 2: have to put a time cap stuff and decide on
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Speaker 2: what you're doing for yourself. I have something you're doing
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Speaker 2: for yourself every single day now, I am saying something
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Speaker 2: extra right, whether it's walking, whether it's meditating. Today I
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Speaker 2: sat by the pool side. It was a little chilly,
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Speaker 2: but I sat by the pool and enjoyed what sunshine
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Speaker 2: it was. But nutrative eating is highly important, right, you
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Speaker 2: know that balance and well being. It's easy to eat
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Speaker 2: badly on the run, and I touch myself doing that,
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Speaker 2: and it's one thing to do that occasionally. It's another
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Speaker 2: thing to do that in moderation on a regular basis.
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Speaker 2: And most of us who are busy in leadership, we
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Speaker 2: do tend to eat on the go, and finding ways
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Speaker 2: to eat healthy on the go is also very important,
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Speaker 2: which means it's going to take some extra time and
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Speaker 2: some planning, brands and preparation. So those are just thoughts
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Speaker 2: that I have when I think about balance and personal wellbeing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I definitely I want to go deeper here.
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Speaker 1: In the show, you talked to a couple of strategies
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Speaker 1: and solutions, Heather, So we're gonna a little deeper into that.
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Speaker 1: But as I come to Bill and Charlie here, you know,
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Speaker 1: I want I would love to hear from your both
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Speaker 1: of your perspectives on things you've faced in different industries
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Speaker 1: to work at because there's different pressures in different industries,
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Speaker 1: like I know tech, what you do, Charlie, and how
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Speaker 1: does that impact your mental and physical health? Uh, and
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Speaker 1: maybe what you know and so maybe I'll just start there,
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Speaker 1: coming with you Charlie first and then come I want
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Speaker 1: to come back to Bill, but I think it's good
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Speaker 1: on this podcast. What we're trying to do is bring
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Speaker 1: different voices from different areas so that we get perspective, understanding,
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Speaker 1: awareness of of you know, our team members and other
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Speaker 1: just other people in our life and generally that we're encountering.
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Speaker 1: And so Charlie, could you just speak to the kind
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Speaker 1: of this balance, you know, challenge and maybe some specific
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Speaker 1: pressures and things you've faced and scene.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. So, Uh, when it comes to balancing
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Speaker 5: leadership and our personal well being, especially in a high
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Speaker 5: stress line of work like such as myself in cybersecurity,
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Speaker 5: there are times when the balance is not going to
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Speaker 5: look like an even division of what we would normally
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Speaker 5: think of a work day would look like. Because we're
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Speaker 5: talking about the livelihoods of dozens of people, you know,
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Speaker 5: in a ransomware situation, for example, where the company's completely
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Speaker 5: down because all their files are locked up. And so
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Speaker 5: I remember there's one case where I pulled back to
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Speaker 5: back eighteen hour days and I was just eating on
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Speaker 5: the go, like how they was talking about and sometimes
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Speaker 5: it's necessary. But then after we got that settled, I
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Speaker 5: took some time off to you know, do traveling with
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Speaker 5: with the family. So I think, just more on a
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Speaker 5: micro level, I like what Heather said about leading by example,
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Speaker 5: because you have no moral authority too to ask others
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Speaker 5: to do when when you when you ask people to
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Speaker 5: do what you won't be what you're not willing to
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Speaker 5: do yourself. That's not to say that you have to
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Speaker 5: be the best at at everything in your business, but
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Speaker 5: you need to at least paint the vision and and
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Speaker 5: and lead and project what success looks like and then
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Speaker 5: find people that are great at what that thing that
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Speaker 5: that you hired them for and make sure that you
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Speaker 5: get out of the way after you let them know
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Speaker 5: the active And so that's the other side of balance too,
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Speaker 5: is sometimes we have this ego trip that if it
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Speaker 5: has to be done right, we have to be the
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Speaker 5: one to do it, and that's that you're setting yourself
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Speaker 5: up for failure if that's the case. And so it
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Speaker 5: is going to be hard at first in the beginning
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Speaker 5: because it's counterintuitive. It's it takes thirty times the effort
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Speaker 5: for you to transfer your your tribal knowledge, if you will,
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Speaker 5: to somebody else. And so that's why documentation is important.
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Speaker 5: Having processes and procedures. I mean that's an ongoing mettal right,
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Speaker 5: because there's always going to be little nuances of how
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Speaker 5: you want things done. And that's the balance too, right,
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Speaker 5: Like you don't want to just hire somebody and be like, Okay,
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Speaker 5: this is what I hiure you for go figure it out.
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Speaker 5: That's not leadership, you know. So you want to have
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Speaker 5: a clearly defined picture of what success looks like and
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Speaker 5: then do it with them for a few times, get
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Speaker 5: them into their groove, and then let them fly. So
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Speaker 5: that's that's the balance.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you brought up, you brought up, and I
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Speaker 1: want to build. I'd love Bill to kind of expand
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Speaker 1: on this with industries Bill, but also kind of you
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Speaker 1: mentioned kind of a common misconception about you know, what
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Speaker 1: what leadership looks like in work. Balance is Charlie, and
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Speaker 1: so I think sometimes we think, oh, well it you know,
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Speaker 1: it's either I've got to do all this work or
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Speaker 1: or you know, I can't delegate it. That's a misconception
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Speaker 1: of like, oh, I can only be me. That affects
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Speaker 1: your balance. So if you if you think that's the
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Speaker 1: case in your leadership, then obviously I did. I We're
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Speaker 1: telling you very clearly that is a misconception. Whether you
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Speaker 1: realize it or not. It doesn't have to be that way,
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Speaker 1: and we're trying to help awaken you to possibilities here
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Speaker 1: on the podcast as to you might not be considering
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Speaker 1: something so so, Bill, in your experience, what are some
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Speaker 1: maybe misconceptions you've seen in the idea of leadership and
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Speaker 1: work life balance.
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Speaker 4: The myth of one hundred percent, you know, basically what
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Speaker 4: a lot of what a lot of people do is
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Speaker 4: they're you know, a lot of leaders are are what
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Speaker 4: what most people would call alpha personalities, and and they're like,
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Speaker 4: I'm going to give one hundred percent to what I do,
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Speaker 4: and they misunderstand what that should mean. They take that
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Speaker 4: to mean that twenty four to seven I'm in the job,
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Speaker 4: But that's not what that means. Giving one hundred percent
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Speaker 4: means that when you are working, then you give one
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Speaker 4: hundred percent to work. But when you're at home in
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Speaker 4: your family life, you give one hundred percent there. Or
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Speaker 4: if you're relaxing or dare I say, recovering from all
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Speaker 4: of those hundred percent efforts, you give one hundred percent
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Speaker 4: to recovery and relaxation and and getting back you know,
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Speaker 4: getting back your health.
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Speaker 3: And well being.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 4: So, so yeah, give me one hundred percent doesn't mean
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Speaker 4: just in your in your professional life. And I have
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Speaker 4: known plenty of people who have who have done.
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Speaker 3: That, you know, especially it's especially true in the.
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Speaker 4: In the car industry where I got where I have
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Speaker 4: a lot of my experience, my my bad leadership experiences. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: you know, there was one There was one guy who
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Speaker 4: gave one hundred percent to the job ended up with
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Speaker 4: I think he had three divorces under his belt, you know,
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Speaker 4: not to mention a terrible ulcer and uh and just
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Speaker 4: a terrible attitude. He he came down hard on everybody
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Speaker 4: for everything, and and if somebody left at the end
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Speaker 4: of working twelve hours, he'd accused them of being a
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Speaker 4: part timer because they only worked twelve out of twenty
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Speaker 4: four hours. It's like, oh, so you're only working half
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Speaker 4: day to day huh, and yeah, it was, it was.
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Speaker 3: It was terrible and he paid the price, you know.
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Speaker 4: And another another one of the managers who who was
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Speaker 4: working at the same place, he understood better how to
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Speaker 4: how to give one hundred percent to each part of
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Speaker 4: his life, you know, not not perfectly, but he was
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Speaker 4: better at it. And uh and it showed his attitude
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Speaker 4: was much better. He was much nicer as a manager,
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Speaker 4: you know, uh, you know, kinder, I guess would be
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Speaker 4: it would be the better word, the nicer you know,
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Speaker 4: where where he would help people, he would be he
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Speaker 4: was more the the helpful leader as opposed to the
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Speaker 4: the iron fisted leader. But but yeah, yeah, I think
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Speaker 4: that's a huge, a huge deal. But there were a
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Speaker 4: couple of things I've been writing notes. Oh Heather said
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Speaker 4: something and it's like, Okay, I better write that down
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Speaker 4: so I don't forget. And Charlie too. But but yeah,
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Speaker 4: everyone should look at themselves as a leader, and not
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Speaker 4: just those with the titles. Just because you don't have
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Speaker 4: the title doesn't mean you're not a leader somewhere to someone,
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Speaker 4: you are and you can be that even if you're
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Speaker 4: the last person hired at a at a company, you
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Speaker 4: can still be a leader there, you know, doesn't mean
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Speaker 4: you doesn't mean you're in charge. It means you're a leader.
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Speaker 4: It's it's a big difference. You know, you can and
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Speaker 4: certainly you can be a leader at home with your
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Speaker 4: with your family or your friends and uh and all
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Speaker 4: those things. Let's see and get did that, and then
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Speaker 4: something Charlie said made me think people should spend time
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Speaker 4: growing their strengths, not just trying to to break their weaknesses.
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Speaker 4: You know, so many people put in I mean, right now,
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to learn Biblical grief languages.
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Speaker 3: Is one of my weaknesses I have to take.
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Speaker 4: I have to get through this class to get to
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Speaker 4: get my degree, to get my master's degree. But but
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Speaker 4: if I had a choice, I wouldn't have taken it.
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Speaker 4: So I'm working on growing a weakness. But it's taking
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Speaker 4: a lot of time and it's going very slowly. I mean,
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Speaker 4: I'm doing well getting the grades in in the class,
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Speaker 4: which is important because I want to go on to
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Speaker 4: get my.
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Speaker 3: My doctorate and so I need good grades.
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Speaker 4: But but yeah, it's it's really difficult to to do.
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Speaker 4: Whereas if I was working in a couple of like yeah,
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Speaker 4: like two terms ago. I think in the spring, I
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Speaker 4: took a class on leadership, which was a breeze. I
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Speaker 4: learned some new stuff, got to exercise some of my
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Speaker 4: some of my strengths that in that in that field
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Speaker 4: and uh, and it was great. I I aced the
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Speaker 4: class and U and impressed the instructor and and it
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Speaker 4: was great. But but in that environment, I learned some
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Speaker 4: new things, but it was all in my strength, in
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Speaker 4: my my wheelhouse, if you will, my bailiwick, and uh.
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Speaker 4: And so it was a much easier time. It was
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Speaker 4: much more relaxing. I wasn't as nervous as I am now,
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Speaker 4: I wasn't as stressed. And uh, you know, and so
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Speaker 4: so work on work on your strengths and then uh
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Speaker 4: and then something you said, David reminded me of how
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Speaker 4: I led My My first leadership experience was uh with
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Speaker 4: the cal Poly Rose Parade Committee and uh.
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Speaker 3: And so it was my first leadership experience.
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Speaker 4: I had no idea what I was doing, and I
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Speaker 4: adopted more of a laisy fare type of management approach,
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Speaker 4: put a leadership approach. Uh. But what I did was
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Speaker 4: I found people and I didn't know how to do
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Speaker 4: many of the jobs. I had come up it through
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Speaker 4: the committee from from from the animation hydraulics to the
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Speaker 4: to the engineering of the entire float and design and
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Speaker 4: then UH and then I went up to to leadership.
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Speaker 4: And so I didn't know about growing flowers or or
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Speaker 4: or or decoration design and and UH and all of
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Speaker 4: those kinds of things. But what I did know was
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Speaker 4: I knew how to pick people the right people, and
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Speaker 4: so so I picked people who knew about those things.
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Speaker 4: They knew a lot about those things. And basically what
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Speaker 4: that enabled me to do was it enabled me to
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Speaker 4: work on the things that they either wouldn't do or
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Speaker 4: couldn't do, such as such as running interference with the
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Speaker 4: with the oh, what's the group that look to OSHA?
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Speaker 4: With running interference with OSHA? And UH and risk management
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Speaker 4: the insurance people and tournament of roses and all of
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Speaker 4: these other things that would have stopped these people, the
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Speaker 4: people I had hired, from doing their jobs. And so
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Speaker 4: I basically did get them, put them in the position,
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Speaker 4: and let them fly. But I was doing other things
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Speaker 4: that that that made it a lot nicer of a
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Speaker 4: job for them. And so people had a much better time,
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Speaker 4: of course, because I did it that way. I was
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Speaker 4: the one who got to go to the UH, to
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Speaker 4: the big parties and you know the builders, the builders functions.
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Speaker 1: And hey, there's benefits there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah there.
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Speaker 4: There was not too many twenty five year old drinking
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Speaker 4: Scotch older than them. But but when you go to
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Speaker 4: some of those parties, the the thirty year old, forty
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Speaker 4: year old Scotch is there.
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Speaker 1: Well, I want to I said a whole bunch of
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Speaker 1: things there, Bell, So I'm sorry figured it out because
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Speaker 1: I want to come back to Heather and I want
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Speaker 1: to dive into you know, we've talked some challenges of balance.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give just a snippet and Heather, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to come to you. I want to talk you
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Speaker 1: dive into some more strategies and solutions that we could
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Speaker 1: talk about and eventually some advice for aspiring leaders here
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Speaker 1: as we are, you know, as we go through the episode.
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Speaker 1: But I come from a different background, as you guys
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Speaker 1: know here on the podcast as you're listening the first time.
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Speaker 1: I've been in the environmental consulting world for most of
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Speaker 1: my career and there's a lot of challenges where I
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Speaker 1: can as working as a biologist in the fields. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot of field components going out there, and that
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Speaker 1: was challenging when you have long days, you're away from
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Speaker 1: home and so and there's a lot of demands on
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Speaker 1: you sometimes of knowing like I've got to get things
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Speaker 1: done in the office. Literally it was with a client
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Speaker 1: meeting today because a lot of staff are struggling with
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Speaker 1: getting some project documentation in because they're doing other stuff
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Speaker 1: that's in the field. So you know, there's there's real
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Speaker 1: challenges I found, and and we've got to be creative
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Speaker 1: sometimes and I think sometimes we don't ask for help
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Speaker 1: and like, oh, is there a different way to do
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Speaker 1: this or how you know, and look beyond ourselves. So
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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to dive into some strategies and solutions.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to come to you first, Heather, but
21:27
Speaker 1: you know, and you can talk with whether maybe even
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Speaker 1: how your perspective on those work life balances evolved over
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Speaker 1: the course of your career, how you start to find
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Speaker 1: balance and and so I'll be come into each of you,
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Speaker 1: Charlie and Bill to give us some practical strategy you
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Speaker 1: found in effectively maintaining well being alongside your responsibilities as
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Speaker 1: a leader wherever that is in your career journey. But Heather,
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Speaker 1: I just want to come to you to start, you know,
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Speaker 1: I mean, we all acknowledge it's a problem, there's a
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Speaker 1: challenge with the balance. But what are some strategies solutions
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Speaker 1: that you've seen that have worked for you and the
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Speaker 1: folks that your clients and folks that you've you've been leading.
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Speaker 2: You know, one of the first things that you need
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Speaker 2: to do is it's one thing to observe something. You know,
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Speaker 2: we have the ability if we stay in tune with stuff,
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Speaker 2: we can observe it. But have a conversation, conversations. And
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Speaker 2: I'm not big on a bunch of meetings, but there
22:21
Speaker 2: are conversations that need to be had first of all,
22:25
Speaker 2: because we don't ask for help. Having conversations can even
22:29
Speaker 2: spur other ideas. Having conversation can affect again, not just
22:35
Speaker 2: your personal balance life, but the balance life of the
22:38
Speaker 2: other individual, the people in the business itself, the and
22:43
Speaker 2: and as Bill mentioned home balance. I mean, when you
22:47
Speaker 2: have an imbalance anywhere in your life, there's going to
22:50
Speaker 2: be an imbalance somewhere else, right, And as leaders, I
22:56
Speaker 2: like what Bill said, you know, he created that structure,
23:00
Speaker 2: you know, there was guidelines and structure that made people happier,
23:04
Speaker 2: you know, and they had a say and they were
23:07
Speaker 2: able to do their jobs and be appreciated for their jobs.
23:10
Speaker 2: So that structure actually helped give that balance, right. And
23:16
Speaker 2: I think that the other thing that both Charlie and
23:20
Speaker 2: Bill said was you can't all do it yourself, right.
23:25
Speaker 2: The idea of perfection actually doesn't exist. Actually, no longer
23:33
Speaker 2: believe in a trying to achieve perfection for that matter,
23:37
Speaker 2: or even one hundred percent, although I like the way
23:40
Speaker 2: Bill demonstrated one hundred percent when you're working, like if
23:43
Speaker 2: I'm writing, I'm giving it one hundred percent fantastic. I
23:45
Speaker 2: love that. But the real key is to strive for excellence, right,
23:52
Speaker 2: And if we're striving for excellence, there's no way we
23:58
Speaker 2: can do it completely on our own. No one is
24:00
Speaker 2: a one man band, and so understanding that and including
24:05
Speaker 2: other people, not only is it not necessarily asking for help,
24:09
Speaker 2: but it's giving them the chance to step up and
24:12
Speaker 2: let them shine as well. And that brings that brings
24:16
Speaker 2: a whole nother level of energy to it, helping them
24:19
Speaker 2: find the balance. I've quit jobs because of a lack
24:22
Speaker 2: of balance. I've put jobs where I wasn't allowed to
24:25
Speaker 2: go see the doctor when I felt I needed to go.
24:27
Speaker 2: I've quit jobs where I was told, if you're not
24:30
Speaker 2: here by nine o'clock, you're fired. And I, you know,
24:35
Speaker 2: I'm at home sick with you know, with the flu,
24:39
Speaker 2: and my daughter's sick home. You know, I've put jobs
24:43
Speaker 2: for that. Yeah, So I like that. I like how
24:47
Speaker 2: you guys brought into because when I start helping stuff,
24:50
Speaker 2: I go straight into personal wellbeing and I start king
24:53
Speaker 2: in on an individual or a group, and you guys
24:57
Speaker 2: have helped bring that broader out. You know, Let's look
25:00
Speaker 2: at the let's look at the whole wellness of the business,
25:02
Speaker 2: look at the whole wellness and balance of the team.
25:06
Speaker 2: Let's look at the whole wellness and balance of what
25:08
Speaker 2: that's going to do in other parts of our lives.
25:12
Speaker 2: And So I think the biggest thing that you can
25:14
Speaker 2: start with this conversation, and and I think if you
25:18
Speaker 2: can step back and ask yourself those questions when you
25:22
Speaker 2: feel like you have to do it all, ask yourself,
25:26
Speaker 2: do I do I have to do it all? Am
25:30
Speaker 2: I the one that has to do this? Am I
25:32
Speaker 2: the one that has to do this. So what are
25:34
Speaker 2: you telling yourself? Think about the things you're telling yourself
25:36
Speaker 2: and identify is it true? Mm hmm, Am I adding
25:40
Speaker 2: more stress to my life because I'm lying to myself.
25:44
Speaker 2: M m right that so, so that's that's the biggest thing.
25:53
Speaker 2: Is that true? Is there another way? Even if I
25:57
Speaker 2: don't want to ask for help? Is there someone who
25:59
Speaker 2: would have in site that would love talking to you
26:01
Speaker 2: about this? And I don't have a problem asking for help,
26:05
Speaker 2: but for some people, you got to get.
26:06
Speaker 1: Around it, right, Yeah? Yeah, I'm pulling a book off
26:10
Speaker 1: my shelf because you talked about this. One of the
26:11
Speaker 1: books I live on the is the Warrior Code, and
26:13
Speaker 1: it says here, stop lying and start living because the
26:16
Speaker 1: reality is we all lie, lie to ourselves the most.
26:21
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah.
26:26
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean yeah, I just I just think
26:32
Speaker 1: you when you triggered me in that A good way,
26:34
Speaker 1: Heather is solutions and strategies is we have to have awareness.
26:40
Speaker 1: And I know we all ought to be truthful and
26:44
Speaker 1: ideally yes, but the reality is we all lie because
26:47
Speaker 1: and we're a lie to ourselves the most in my experience,
26:51
Speaker 1: not others. It's literally to ourselves about these things. In
26:55
Speaker 1: these stories right, that don't don't serve us. So, I
27:00
Speaker 1: you know the idea of what I call that mindfulness, Heather,
27:04
Speaker 1: what you're talking about sure and being and being mindful
27:09
Speaker 1: in training ourselves to look and go more inward and
27:12
Speaker 1: and and otherwise we can look very externally and situationally
27:17
Speaker 1: and be victims of well the work life balance. This
27:19
Speaker 1: thing is just happening to me. You know, I'm being
27:23
Speaker 1: a victim of my circumstances and that.
27:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that causes you to be more reactional rather
27:33
Speaker 2: than reactive. Does that make sense?
27:37
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, So I want to come to Charlie Heather,
27:42
Speaker 1: because I think I'm sensing Charlie's some good things he
27:46
Speaker 1: wants to share here, and he always usually has a
27:50
Speaker 1: good quote or too too he likes to throw out
27:51
Speaker 1: of us. So, h Charlie, what what's coming up with you?
27:55
Speaker 1: When we have strategies and solutions? Heather's some really powerful
27:59
Speaker 1: thoughts here.
28:00
Speaker 5: Pretty good on your Yeah, you're pretty good on your
28:04
Speaker 5: quote detector there when you speaking of lies, when you
28:09
Speaker 5: were talking about lies. So recently I heard on a
28:12
Speaker 5: webinar by Eric Warri. He's the author of the book
28:17
Speaker 5: go pro how to become a network marketing professional. So basically,
28:22
Speaker 5: he said, the biggest lie that's out there is do
28:26
Speaker 5: what you love and you never work a day in
28:28
Speaker 5: your life. That's not necessarily true. There's stuff that you're
28:32
Speaker 5: not going to love that are necessary for you to
28:37
Speaker 5: grow and get to where you want to be. And
28:41
Speaker 5: he also shared a a math equation where if your
28:45
Speaker 5: goal eventually, of course we all work to build wealth, right,
28:52
Speaker 5: but the balance that we're talking about today is also
28:54
Speaker 5: making sure we don't sacrifice our health for our wealth.
28:57
Speaker 5: Because we have million dollars a billion and we're bedridden.
29:02
Speaker 5: What good is that money going to do us? Right? So,
29:06
Speaker 5: but then on the on the wealth building side, if
29:11
Speaker 5: your goal is to let's just use the million dollar
29:15
Speaker 5: as an example. If your goal is to earn a
29:17
Speaker 5: million a year, you're divided by the number of working
29:21
Speaker 5: hours in a year, then that comes out to five
29:24
Speaker 5: hundred dollars an hour roughly. So if what you're doing
29:31
Speaker 5: is not potentially going to lead to generating five hundred
29:35
Speaker 5: dollars an hour type of work, then you know that
29:38
Speaker 5: what you need to get delegate because if you can
29:40
Speaker 5: delegate that for twenty five bucks an hour, fifty bucks
29:44
Speaker 5: an hour to somebody else then and you're doing it,
29:48
Speaker 5: let's say it's fifty. That means you're burning a hole
29:52
Speaker 5: in your wallet the size of four hundred and fifty
29:55
Speaker 5: dollars an hour, because that is better suited for somebody
29:58
Speaker 5: who is at fifty dollars an hour pay range. And
30:04
Speaker 5: your highest and best use of your time needs to
30:07
Speaker 5: go towards growing the business. That's going to lead to
30:09
Speaker 5: five hundred dollars an hour. And that goes back to
30:14
Speaker 5: the Stephen Covey quadrant, right, which actually was started by Truman,
30:18
Speaker 5: I believe President Truman, where it's like the important non urgent,
30:26
Speaker 5: important urgent, non important, non urgent and not important or
30:32
Speaker 5: I got it all mixed up. But you know what,
30:36
Speaker 5: So the non important urgent is the genesis type tasks
30:44
Speaker 5: that we should be living and if our goal is
30:47
Speaker 5: highest and best use of our time as leaders, and
30:50
Speaker 5: I like Bill's point, it's not a position, it's an action.
30:53
Speaker 5: Leadership is not a position. Everybody. Our goal should be
30:58
Speaker 5: anybody we hire, from the most simplest jobs to to
31:04
Speaker 5: your sea levels. Everybody should have like that you hire
31:09
Speaker 5: for you want to, uh, I guess foster the culture
31:14
Speaker 5: of how everybody takes on seeing themselves as a leader,
31:19
Speaker 5: because even if they don't have anybody reporting to them,
31:21
Speaker 5: they they're leading themselves. And if you're hiring people that
31:28
Speaker 5: have to wait to be told what to do, then
31:31
Speaker 5: you're going you're setting yourself a failure, setting yourself up
31:34
Speaker 5: for for failure and for misery. And so that's the
31:38
Speaker 5: balance higher right, fire easy, Right. I don't know where
31:45
Speaker 5: that came from, but uh, I think I met if
31:52
Speaker 5: you if you take the time too, I'm sorry, hire right,
31:56
Speaker 5: manage easy. So that's that's what I meant to say.
32:05
Speaker 1: Oh man, oh man, Okay, good stuff. I would say,
32:11
Speaker 1: I was trying to find that that the what you're
32:14
Speaker 1: talking about. The it was not Trueman, It's Eisenhower, Box Isenhower.
32:18
Speaker 1: There you go. Yes, you know, I was gonna. I
32:23
Speaker 1: was gonna I was gonna actually throw that up on
32:25
Speaker 1: the screen because I think it was it was confusing
32:28
Speaker 1: and just for the for the sake of clarity. Yeah, No,
32:31
Speaker 1: I think it's important that we look at these things
32:33
Speaker 1: and that that is here. I'm gonna put that on
32:35
Speaker 1: the street. You guys can see. Shoot, it's rotating the
32:37
Speaker 1: wrong way. Uh, you guys are for those who are
32:40
Speaker 1: watching us, you have to turn your head sideways trying
32:43
Speaker 1: to throw this on the screen. So I'll try to
32:45
Speaker 1: fix that again. But uh, in any case, it is yeah,
32:51
Speaker 1: these things we have certain stories that honestly are not
32:56
Speaker 1: likely true, and we need to be able to look
32:59
Speaker 1: at these things and through some of the things you mentioned.
33:01
Speaker 1: And Bella, I like to come to you to to
33:03
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, how do we you know, what
33:06
Speaker 1: what has you what have you specifically done to help
33:08
Speaker 1: manage stress? Prioritizing self care? You know, maybe we've talked
33:12
Speaker 1: about boundaries before. Charlie talked a lot about boundaries and
33:15
Speaker 1: that's one of the things, right. Uh and and so
33:19
Speaker 1: how have you Bill prioritized because you're doing a lot
33:22
Speaker 1: of things, I know, writing a book, going to school,
33:25
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're you have a lot of initiatives.
33:27
Speaker 1: So how do you prior to self care without compromising
33:29
Speaker 1: your leadership responsibilities?
33:33
Speaker 4: Well, one of the things, I uh, one of the
33:36
Speaker 4: tools I like to use is the is the old
33:39
Speaker 4: wheel of life where where you have where you have
33:43
Speaker 4: a wheel a circle and you have different spokes and whatever,
33:48
Speaker 4: you know, whatever it is that's important in your life,
33:50
Speaker 4: where you think is important in your life or you
33:54
Speaker 4: think should be important in your life, you make a
33:57
Speaker 4: spoke for it, and then you go through and say, well,
34:02
Speaker 4: what effort, what time am I putting into this spoke.
34:06
Speaker 4: So if you're married, one of those spokes could be
34:09
Speaker 4: your marriage. If you're if you've got kids, one of
34:12
Speaker 4: those spokes could be your kids. Certainly self care should
34:16
Speaker 4: be one of them. Your professional life, your financial life.
34:21
Speaker 4: You know, there's a ton of things. Different people put
34:23
Speaker 4: different things on them. But you know, as you as
34:28
Speaker 4: you grow your abilities in that area, the spoke becomes
34:32
Speaker 4: longer and and so you know, the the idea is
34:38
Speaker 4: to get the spokes to all be equal in a circle,
34:42
Speaker 4: so that it makes a circle on the outside, so
34:44
Speaker 4: that you can drive your wheel down the street. Because
34:47
Speaker 4: if you're if you're lopsided, if you're putting all your
34:50
Speaker 4: time into work and finances but you're not putting time
34:53
Speaker 4: into marriage and kids, well you're going to have a
34:56
Speaker 4: flat spot on your tie on your wheel of life,
34:59
Speaker 4: and and driving down the street is going to be
35:01
Speaker 4: really uncomfortable, you know. So, but that's a that's a
35:05
Speaker 4: tool I like because it's easy to visualize and and
35:10
Speaker 4: it's easy to adapt to two different people, you know.
35:14
Speaker 4: So that's that's a tool I really like to use.
35:18
Speaker 3: You know.
35:19
Speaker 4: Something something Heather said, uh, you know, reminded me. I've
35:24
Speaker 4: talked before about the path to perfection being a logarithmic
35:28
Speaker 4: curve and a logarythmic curve as you get as you
35:34
Speaker 4: get close, you know, if if perfection, if perfection is
35:37
Speaker 4: over here, you know, and that that curve, it gets
35:40
Speaker 4: more and more difficult the closer you get to perfection,
35:44
Speaker 4: so that as you approach perfection, it gets harder and
35:49
Speaker 4: harder and harder and harder. So getting to getting to
35:54
Speaker 4: getting to one hundred percent is practically impossible in in
35:59
Speaker 4: allical effects. So you may you know, you need to commit.
36:05
Speaker 4: You need to convince yourself that ninety percent of perfection
36:08
Speaker 4: is okay or eighty percent of perfection is okay, depending
36:11
Speaker 4: on on just how much more difficult it gets and
36:14
Speaker 4: how much time you have, because you could theoretically get
36:17
Speaker 4: to perfection if you had infinite time and infinite resources.
36:21
Speaker 4: But but likelihood is the best you can hope for
36:24
Speaker 4: might be ninety percent, and so so you need to
36:28
Speaker 4: you need to accept that and and get on with
36:31
Speaker 4: your life. You know and and then what what Charlie said?
36:38
Speaker 4: You know that the all important, the three most important
36:41
Speaker 4: things to a leader, delegate, delegate, delegate, and you know,
36:46
Speaker 4: if you don't know how to delegate, then you are
36:48
Speaker 4: in big trouble.
36:50
Speaker 1: Yep.
36:51
Speaker 4: You need to learn how to do that. You need
36:53
Speaker 4: to again accept it. Even though you may be the
36:57
Speaker 4: best person to do to do such and such a thing,
37:01
Speaker 4: you can't do that thing. You have to give it
37:03
Speaker 4: to someone else. And you might be in a position
37:07
Speaker 4: to help them, to to to to help them in
37:11
Speaker 4: some way, to assist, but you have to give it
37:14
Speaker 4: off to them and uh, you know, to to the
37:18
Speaker 4: next best person. And because you have more important things
37:21
Speaker 4: to do, You've got you've got money burning a hole
37:24
Speaker 4: in your pocket. And I like that that anal. I
37:28
Speaker 4: like this visual analogies, you know. And I I have
37:34
Speaker 4: I have a pair of pair of pants that the uh,
37:37
Speaker 4: the pocket I keep my wallet in is literally always
37:40
Speaker 4: tearing at the scene because I have a large wallet,
37:44
Speaker 4: and not that it's particularly full of things, but it's
37:47
Speaker 4: a it's a it's a long wallet and uh, and
37:50
Speaker 4: so it rubs up against the seam, and the seam
37:52
Speaker 4: rips and and the wallet tries.
37:55
Speaker 3: To fall out.
37:58
Speaker 1: Oh man. But so yeah, well there you go. You
38:06
Speaker 1: triggered something. As you're talking about this idea of moving
38:10
Speaker 1: toward perfection, Bill, I know it gets harder and harder
38:13
Speaker 1: we get there. I don't know if you guys have
38:16
Speaker 1: read this book. I'll throw it on the stage here
38:17
Speaker 1: so you guys can see. But this book I've been
38:19
Speaker 1: reading recently called ten X is easier than two X.
38:23
Speaker 1: Fascinating book, and it's falls on a long line with
38:28
Speaker 1: some other stuff I've been doing with Warrior. But the
38:30
Speaker 1: idea is a lot of the stuff that we do
38:32
Speaker 1: doesn't really make that much of a difference. Eighty percent
38:34
Speaker 1: of the stuff the preto principle, what is that twenty percent?
38:37
Speaker 1: So again when we talk about work like balance, and
38:40
Speaker 1: you're you know, we might be doing a lot of
38:41
Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't get us very far on the other
38:44
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum, like you're saying, Bill, some of
38:46
Speaker 1: those really hard to have the high end. But what
38:48
Speaker 1: is that stuff in the twenty percent? What's that sweet
38:50
Speaker 1: spot that is you know, where we really makes a difference.
38:56
Speaker 1: And so you know, I talk with clients of it.
39:00
Speaker 1: This is where I think the balance of a coach
39:01
Speaker 1: or any one of you in your in your business
39:03
Speaker 1: are asking your team members like when they're struggling, right like,
39:09
Speaker 1: what what help me understand what you're prioritizing. We talked
39:13
Speaker 1: about delegation or or what they're thinking is important and
39:17
Speaker 1: to work on. You're like, yeah, that's really actually not
39:19
Speaker 1: that important. This thing is actually more important and you're
39:22
Speaker 1: spending way more time on this and really it's not
39:24
Speaker 1: going to get you that What what do you what's
39:27
Speaker 1: your desired outcome? You know? So I would like to
39:33
Speaker 1: you know, I know we can to go deep here,
39:35
Speaker 1: but we want to make sure that people can come
39:38
Speaker 1: back for another episode, which we'll get into. I would
39:40
Speaker 1: love to have, you know, some advice, particularly for aspiring leaders,
39:44
Speaker 1: whether you're listening to this as an Aspire leader or
39:46
Speaker 1: you're going to or you're leading others aspiring leaders in
39:50
Speaker 1: your organization, those that are coming behind you. And I'll
39:54
Speaker 1: start with you, Heather first, because I want to get
39:57
Speaker 1: you know, what advice would you give to those now
39:59
Speaker 1: you've got active we're all here, gen xers, what would
40:03
Speaker 1: you give advice to a young or leader as they're
40:06
Speaker 1: looking at that finding balance, you know, and and helping them, Heather, I.
40:15
Speaker 5: Think that well.
40:21
Speaker 2: Eleanor Roosevelt said it takes as much energy to wish
40:24
Speaker 2: as it does to plan, and I think when you
40:27
Speaker 2: look at that, planning is important. Those systems, the strategies
40:31
Speaker 2: are important because with them you are not focused on
40:37
Speaker 2: where you would really want to be.
40:39
Speaker 5: Right.
40:41
Speaker 2: You guys said it really nicely in that you I'm
40:51
Speaker 2: trying to get my words together here.
40:53
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
40:57
Speaker 2: Accept excellence as enough, right, Perfection is a misnomer. Have
41:07
Speaker 2: the conversation being mindful, right, and don't don't dismiss the
41:17
Speaker 2: value of stopping and smelling the roses. I think about that.
41:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, Charlie, how about how about you? What are some
41:28
Speaker 1: things that you would would you you know, provide encouragement
41:34
Speaker 1: you know, how to create that supportive environment. And we
41:36
Speaker 1: talked about some of this in the past and previous episodes.
41:39
Speaker 1: But you know, how can we y know, you lead teams.
41:44
Speaker 1: I know you you have other folks that that you're
41:46
Speaker 1: bringing in and so you know what what you know?
41:50
Speaker 1: Emphasis would you provide particularly boundary because I know that's
41:53
Speaker 1: a big, big one that you you have a lot
41:55
Speaker 1: of experience in. Charlie.
41:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, so honoring boundaries so as simple as honoring people's
42:03
Speaker 5: breaks and lunches, right, because all of us majority of us,
42:09
Speaker 5: if not all of us, are on salary, so none
42:12
Speaker 5: of us are clocking and clocking out. So we put
42:16
Speaker 5: our meals or our breaks or mainly our meals, like
42:20
Speaker 5: our lunch on a calendar for me, I actually have
42:23
Speaker 5: to have it, or else I forget to eat. And
42:27
Speaker 5: we want to make sure we fall honor that because
42:32
Speaker 5: if we wait until we're hungry to eat, it's too late.
42:35
Speaker 5: Like I had a doctor friend tell me, that's terrible
42:39
Speaker 5: for your body. That's like waiting for your car to
42:41
Speaker 5: start having problems to go do maintenance, right, So definitely
42:45
Speaker 5: don't do that. Just having that, protecting that boundary and
42:49
Speaker 5: honoring that. And so when your people are on break
42:53
Speaker 5: or on their meal breaks or they're off, honoring that
42:56
Speaker 5: unless it's a true emergency where you have to reach out, right.
43:01
Speaker 5: And then some practical things that that we leverage on
43:04
Speaker 5: the daily, uh I like what Heather talked about the
43:08
Speaker 5: planning part. A successful day starts the night before, so
43:13
Speaker 5: we end each day because we have the day two
43:17
Speaker 5: daily huddles, one at the beginning of the day, the
43:20
Speaker 5: one at the end of each day. And so at
43:22
Speaker 5: the day end huddle, each of us shares our MVP
43:26
Speaker 5: most vital priority for the following day. And so what
43:31
Speaker 5: that means is, no matter what distractions come up the
43:35
Speaker 5: following day, we have to get that done. That's our
43:38
Speaker 5: that's our that's our moved the needle task that that
43:44
Speaker 5: we are declaring that, yeah, no matter what, that's non negotiable,
43:48
Speaker 5: we got to get that done. And so ideally on
43:51
Speaker 5: the on the morning huddles, we're sharing the fact because
43:54
Speaker 5: we we celebrate all wins. So in the morning we
43:57
Speaker 5: kick off with our highs, like what are our wins
44:00
Speaker 5: from the day before, and ideally that should match up
44:03
Speaker 5: with what our MVP was for the previous day, and
44:08
Speaker 5: so that's the accountability part and so and then we
44:13
Speaker 5: also share a personal win. So that's the balance, right.
44:16
Speaker 5: We want to celebrate all wins, not just about what's
44:19
Speaker 5: good for the business, but also what's good in our life,
44:24
Speaker 5: because when you have your home in a good place,
44:27
Speaker 5: then that gives you that autonomy and that freedom and
44:33
Speaker 5: that peace of mind to tackle the world and to
44:37
Speaker 5: tackle the task that we have uh for our professional responsibilities.
44:42
Speaker 1: Now that those are some good practical ways, Charlie, and
44:44
Speaker 1: I think it's important to celebrate wins and man, I
44:50
Speaker 1: would say, you know, Bill, I want to come to
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Speaker 1: you next year as we're wrapping this segment on a
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Speaker 1: just advice for expiring leaders. But those are some practical things, Charlie.
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Speaker 1: But what if you what have you seen Bill that
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Speaker 1: you know that young professionals can start doing cultivating a
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Speaker 1: sustainable work life habits, because I know that I see this,
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Speaker 1: particularly in gen Z. Sometimes it's on the one end,
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Speaker 1: whether like well, a personal life. I was just talking
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Speaker 1: to person last week, whether they're they're probably prioritizing their
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Speaker 1: personal well being, which I that's not bad, but at
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Speaker 1: the expense of taking care of responsibilities with work and
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Speaker 1: other things, like whether you were talking about jen x X, like, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to work anybody to live and you're
45:31
Speaker 1: you have other people depending upon you too. It's not
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Speaker 1: just you. You have other people that if you don't
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Speaker 1: show up and do your work, it's going to make
45:39
Speaker 1: their life harder and their work balance off. So you're
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Speaker 1: you know, you're not in a bubble or a silo.
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Speaker 1: But Bill, what would you what would you advice would
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Speaker 1: you give for these well, yeah.
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Speaker 3: I would.
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Speaker 4: Definitely, I would definitely go with the with like what
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Speaker 4: I was saying before, the Wheel of Life. You know,
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Speaker 4: you can find if you just if you do an
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Speaker 4: Internet search for Wheel of Life, you can find plenty
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Speaker 4: of plenty of free tools to to get your your
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Speaker 4: thing done. There's even Tony Robbins, he's been has one.
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Speaker 4: But uh, you know, and uh and go through and
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Speaker 4: check off what parts of your life are where you
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Speaker 4: want them to be and what parts are not you know,
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Speaker 4: and because like I said, give a hundred percent to
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Speaker 4: each part of your life, not just one part of your.
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Speaker 3: Life, you know.
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Speaker 4: Uh and uh, you know, because you need to find
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Speaker 4: the balance and the wheel and the Wheel of Life
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Speaker 4: is is great.
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Speaker 3: Like I said, it's a it's a visual that we.
46:51
Speaker 4: Can all uh understand, you know, because we've all had
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Speaker 4: flat tires before, or almost all of us have had
46:58
Speaker 4: flat tires before. But if you haven't, I'll be happy
47:02
Speaker 4: to come and shove a knife.
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Speaker 1: And you're tired, I'm good.
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Speaker 3: But but yeah, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna shive anybody's tired. But
47:22
Speaker 4: but something else I wanted to say, is that strive
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Speaker 4: for perfection, you know, strive for don't strive for mediocrity.
47:31
Speaker 4: Strive for perfection, but accept what you can actually achieve.
47:37
Speaker 4: You know, as my father has said, shoot for the stars,
47:42
Speaker 4: but be happy you got to the moon, because that's
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Speaker 4: still really hard. Even even now, sixty years after after
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Speaker 4: after Americans got to the moon, we haven't done it again,
47:58
Speaker 4: you know, we haven't done it since the nineteen seventy
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Speaker 4: because it's.
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Speaker 3: Really really hard.
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Speaker 4: So in your life, strive for shoot for the stars,
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Speaker 4: shoot for you know, strive for that perfection. But if
48:08
Speaker 4: you can, only if you can get to eighty percent
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Speaker 4: of perfection, if you can get to the moon, be
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Speaker 4: happy with that. And uh and and celebrate that because
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Speaker 4: that's still really really hard to do. And uh go
48:25
Speaker 4: and uh and who knows, maybe you'll get another shot
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Speaker 4: at it. Next time it'll be easier to get to
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Speaker 4: ninety percent. And next time it'll be easier to get
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Speaker 4: the time after that ninety five percent. Who knows, But
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Speaker 4: but be happy with what you can actually achieve to
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Speaker 4: celebrate it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I had a I had.
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Speaker 4: A life coach, life and business coach who used to
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Speaker 4: call uh to do lists to doll lists, because she
48:52
Speaker 4: would as she checks something off on her list, should
48:56
Speaker 4: go to dah and uh, you know, and just be
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Speaker 4: happy that she that she accomplished some some small goal
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Speaker 4: of the day. And uh, you know that can that
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Speaker 4: can do. Those little celebrations can do a lot for
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Speaker 4: your for your personal well being. But I'd say I'd
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Speaker 4: say those two things would be the big, the big suggestions,
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Speaker 4: the big advice I'd have for for the people aspiring
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Speaker 4: to uh to lead, get your get your wheel of
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Speaker 4: life done and uh and get it balanced and uh
49:30
Speaker 4: and celebrate your there.
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Speaker 1: You go, there you go well, And I think that's
49:34
Speaker 1: a good pausing point because what what we'll do, maybe
49:37
Speaker 1: what we'll do is we'll come back on a future episode.
49:40
Speaker 1: Here for those of you that are watching us on
49:42
Speaker 1: YouTube and not listening to it, there's a lot of
49:45
Speaker 1: free resources. Like like Bill said, I just pulled one
49:47
Speaker 1: here that's an absolutely free download that you can look
49:50
Speaker 1: pull up. Regarding this is dividing into eight categories or domains.
49:56
Speaker 1: You could collapse some of these, you could expand some
49:58
Speaker 1: of these. I've done training with full Focused Planner my
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Speaker 1: Warrior tools. But what we what the idea is what
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Speaker 1: Bill is saying is look at your domains, look at
50:06
Speaker 1: the balance in your life and and and you guys,
50:09
Speaker 1: we've done the Peace Index assessments. It's another version of
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Speaker 1: this where we can look and find actually assessing your
50:14
Speaker 1: peace level, in your purpose, in your in your people,
50:18
Speaker 1: in your life, your physical body, your health, right, your provision,
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Speaker 1: how you're making money, all of those things. And so
50:25
Speaker 1: you look at these things and you say, Okay, what
50:28
Speaker 1: is it? What's my current reality? And then what do
50:31
Speaker 1: I actually want? You know, is is that what I want?
50:34
Speaker 5: Or not?
50:35
Speaker 1: Right? Some people, most people don't actually spend the time,
50:38
Speaker 1: but like you're saying, to even assess where they're at.
50:41
Speaker 1: So how do you even know you're in balance or not?
50:44
Speaker 1: How do you know you're in alignment or not? I
50:49
Speaker 1: work with clients like that too, where we look at
50:52
Speaker 1: I just did my own Intelligent Human Leadership podcast, What
50:55
Speaker 1: you guys know I shared with you today about what
50:57
Speaker 1: gear you're in of life and how in how is
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Speaker 1: that affecting you? So they're interrelated. I'm going to come
51:04
Speaker 1: back to Heather and then Charlie and Bill for final
51:06
Speaker 1: thoughts here.
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Speaker 4: And the best thing about doing a Wheel of Life
51:10
Speaker 4: assessment is if you printed out, you get to use prayons.
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Speaker 1: Hey, there you go, you get How about that now
51:18
Speaker 1: for you creative types out there, like I love I
51:20
Speaker 1: would love that, you know. But you know, Heather, As
51:25
Speaker 1: we're kind of wrapping up this episode, and I would
51:28
Speaker 1: I really like what you introduced, Bill, and I think
51:30
Speaker 1: what would do is a future episode where we can
51:32
Speaker 1: break down domains, including business, because it's related. Like you said, Heather,
51:36
Speaker 1: if you're suffering in one demain or challenge one, it's
51:39
Speaker 1: going to cascade into another one. And so we can
51:42
Speaker 1: look holistically there. And I think this is a good
51:45
Speaker 1: time of years. We're going into the end of twenty
51:47
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty twenty five. What is what's what does
51:49
Speaker 1: that future year look like for you? What are your
51:51
Speaker 1: priority what's inspiring you? And what does balance look like
51:56
Speaker 1: for you? But Heather, As you've covered some great shares
51:59
Speaker 1: from Charlie and Bill and just what's kind of your
52:02
Speaker 1: your key takeaway and final thoughts here as are wrapping
52:05
Speaker 1: up episode today, Well.
52:08
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give Bill credit here because he deserves it,
52:12
Speaker 2: although I don't think he feels the need for it.
52:16
Speaker 2: You don't have to be put in a position of
52:18
Speaker 2: leadership to be a leader, to lead if you want
52:23
Speaker 2: to lead. Lead. Leaders are not bosses. Leaders are not dictators.
52:29
Speaker 2: Lead And like Charlie said, if you don't lead anyone else,
52:35
Speaker 2: lead yourself. You can't go wrong with that. You really
52:39
Speaker 2: can't go wrong with that because from there you have
52:42
Speaker 2: everything to build on.
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Speaker 1: Mhmm, thank you, Heather, Charlie. Final thoughts here today, takeaways.
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Speaker 5: I just wanted to share about just keeping a level
52:59
Speaker 5: head and that that's kind of I mean, goes hand
53:03
Speaker 5: in hand with balance, right and so so so levelheadedness
53:09
Speaker 5: a thing that I've adopted is like the Stoic principles,
53:14
Speaker 5: and and they talk about the four virtues, one of
53:17
Speaker 5: them being temperance. Temperance means it's basically moderation and actively
53:24
Speaker 5: resisting anything that is harmful when it's an excess. And
53:30
Speaker 5: so that's what balance is all about, is everything in moderation.
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Speaker 1: So in mind, yeah, we don't have to go to extremes.
53:39
Speaker 1: We can, you know, that's that's important as well. Bill.
53:43
Speaker 1: Final thoughts takeaways here.
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Speaker 4: Well, I got something something similar to to what Charlie
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Speaker 4: just said. Don't sacrifice one part of your life for another.
53:57
Speaker 3: You know, if you know, if.
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Speaker 4: You find yourself putting your you know, put one hundred
54:03
Speaker 4: percent into each part of your life. But don't don't
54:07
Speaker 4: sacrifice family life for work. Don't sacrifice your personal health
54:13
Speaker 4: for for financial gain. You know, keep it all, keep
54:18
Speaker 4: it all there and uh, you know, get your get
54:21
Speaker 4: your wheel done and uh and work on the parts.
54:25
Speaker 4: Work on that flat tire, you know, I definitely have.
54:29
Speaker 4: I have a flat tire of another sort that I'm
54:32
Speaker 4: working on my my person. But my personal health is
54:38
Speaker 4: something I'm I'm working on quite a bit right now
54:41
Speaker 4: to to get it caught up to two other areas
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Speaker 4: of my wheel.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, now this has been great. I I
54:51
Speaker 1: appreciate the conversations. I hope as you guys listen to
54:55
Speaker 1: this as we're wrapping up the podcast today, you know
54:58
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55:03
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55:29
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55:32
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