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Do All BiPOCs Matter?!? (Lanterns Episode Five "Lights Out" Review Feat. BlackGayComicGeek) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: No, wait. Before we talk about that lantern, we got
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  Speaker 1: to talk about his other lantern where he broke out.
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  Speaker 2: Where he broke out the time. We saw him in
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  Speaker 2: his boxers.
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  Speaker 1: I knew he was going to go.
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  Speaker 3: There because he can't help himself.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, it was heavy, baby.
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  Speaker 2: I was like.
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  Speaker 4: And welcome back in the next episode of For All Nerds.
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  Speaker 4: We are here, as usual, giving you the best of
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  Speaker 4: the recaps and review of Lanterns.
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  Speaker 3: It is I, your host, Tatiana King, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 4: Flex Luthor, Glorilla Grodd, Fear of Zod, Jewel Zandana, and Black.
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  Speaker 3: And Yellow Lantern.
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  Speaker 4: And, as usual, I'm joined by the most fabulous, fabulous
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  Speaker 4: hair person in the world.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, it's his eye, Reverend Ben Banks, a.k.a. Maester P.
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  Speaker 5: Make him say hmm.
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  Speaker 3: A.k.a.
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  Speaker 5: Sabrina, the gym leader witch. Don't make me call Kadabra, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 5: X-Men's Rogue One. And as we all know, I am
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  Speaker 5: the Far Sector Prospector.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I like that. Don't make me call Kadabra. Don't
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  Speaker 3: make me call Kadabra.
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  Speaker 5: Kadabra.
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  Speaker 3: Portia.
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  Speaker 4: And we have special guests today, Black Gay Comic Geek.
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  Speaker 5: Please introduce yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone. Thanks for having me back. My name is Michael, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: Black Gay Comic Geek, a.k.a. the Gay Sorcerer Supreme, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: Emperor of the Safegaven, a.k.a. Baldy, a.k.a. He Who Likes
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  Speaker 1: to Make it Blacker and Make it Gayer, a.k.a. the
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  Speaker 1: Wielder of the Rainbow Lantern, and finally, a.k.a. the Black
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  Speaker 1: Phoenix Force.
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  Speaker 3: Period. Very good. I love that last one.
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  Speaker 5: Excellent job.
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  Speaker 4: Well, guys, we are here, as mentioned, to review, recap,
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  Speaker 4: talk all things Lantern, specifically episode five titled Lights Out.
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  Speaker 4: Before we get into the full details of everything, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to ask the both of you, what did you
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  Speaker 4: think overall of this episode? Especially considering where we are
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  Speaker 4: in the season. We only have three.
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  Speaker 3: Episodes left, I think. Yeah. So, Michael, since you're here,
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  Speaker 3: tell us what you thought.
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  Speaker 1: Overall, I did like the episode. I do feel like
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  Speaker 1: the weakness of this show and then this episode in
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  Speaker 1: general is really focused on the relationship or lack thereof
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  Speaker 1: or lack the chemistry thereof between Zoe and John. So
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  Speaker 1: if I had to give a weakness of the episode,
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  Speaker 1: it's that. But outside of that, I really like this episode.
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  Speaker 1: It really felt like a season finale episode. There was
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  Speaker 1: a lot more action and things that I wanted from
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  Speaker 1: like a Green Lantern mythos, constructs and battles and things
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  Speaker 1: like that. And like, it just has me curious, especially
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  Speaker 1: being that this is only episode five. Where the hell
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  Speaker 1: are we going from here? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I definitely want to touch on some stuff that you said,
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  Speaker 4: but before I do, Portia, please give your take.
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  Speaker 3: I enjoy the episode.
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  Speaker 5: I think that it validated some of my thoughts around
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  Speaker 5: how much time we were going to be spending in
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  Speaker 5: this town this season. And I was partway through the
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  Speaker 5: episode where I was like, oh, we're going to go
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  Speaker 5: to 2026. We're not going to see 2016. This is
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  Speaker 5: the last of it. And then seeing the preview trailer
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  Speaker 5: for next week established, yeah, that's pretty much what's going
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  Speaker 5: to happen. So now I'm excited because I think... Having
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  Speaker 5: given Fettus so early on with the lead-in of, like,
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  Speaker 5: 2026 leads us with Hal dead and also ringless has
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  Speaker 5: had me been like, okay, are we going to actually
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  Speaker 5: spend time getting there?
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  Speaker 3: And so now I'm excited to actually see it all
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  Speaker 3: play out.
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  Speaker 5: I think that this episode gave us exactly what we
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  Speaker 5: needed to be ready to go on that journey and
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  Speaker 5: take ourselves into 2026. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 3: I did like you, Michael.
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  Speaker 4: I did feel this felt very finale-ish because it was
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  Speaker 4: it was the big battle, the big boss, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the twists and turns. It involved both Hal and and
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  Speaker 4: John just pretty much battling each other.
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  Speaker 3: And it was supposed to be like a culmination of everything.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So I did.
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  Speaker 4: It felt very like end of the season. But at
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  Speaker 4: the same time, it still left so many unresolved notes.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Unresolved notes about the whole thing with John. taking on
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  Speaker 4: the Green Lantern mantle. He essentially just said, hell no,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want it no more. Right.
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  Speaker 3: You had that the whole situation with Liana.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we have a lot of theories about what
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  Speaker 4: Liana is really getting at, whether she's like a rogue agent,
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  Speaker 4: if she's even any of these people to be trusted.
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  Speaker 4: People are still lying to each other. Even in this episode,
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  Speaker 4: the lies, the.
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  Speaker 5: Lies, the lies.
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  Speaker 3: It's just still happening. It's just no end in sight.
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  Speaker 4: And, you know, I'm also still interested in the other smaller, like, mysteries.
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  Speaker 3: Like, who the hell is Carrie? Like, Carrie Kane? Like,
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  Speaker 3: who's her father? Who was she running from? All this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But there's one thing you said that I definitely think
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  Speaker 4: I want to start with when you said, like, this
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  Speaker 4: whole relationship thing.
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  Speaker 3: Interestingly.
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  Speaker 5: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Because I got a lot to say.
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  Speaker 4: So, last episode, Genesia, shout out to Genesia F, actually
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  Speaker 4: came on and pointed that out, that she felt like
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  Speaker 4: this was a weird relationship. We didn't under... She, and
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  Speaker 4: I agreed with her, didn't even understand, like... Like, it
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  Speaker 4: didn't feel real. It feels weird and manufactured and not
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  Speaker 4: like something that would have happened naturally.
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  Speaker 2: So, I.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand what we were supposed to feel with
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  Speaker 4: them being together and the whole, Oh, you, you see
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  Speaker 4: me stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was a little corny to me. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like you're telling me all of this stuff, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't feel it.
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  Speaker 1: Like nothing to get like Aaron Pierre and Porta, John
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  Speaker 1: and Lathan, like they're really good actors, but some actors,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how good you are. You either have
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  Speaker 1: chemistry or you don't. And I feel like the two
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  Speaker 1: of them have no chemistry.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's the acting.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's the material.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that there's been enough established for us
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  Speaker 5: to feel like.
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  Speaker 3: That's why on my... Also, I'm going to say this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very ace.
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  Speaker 5: So there's times where things are supposed to... People are
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  Speaker 5: flirting or whatever. And I'm like, is that what flirting is?
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  Speaker 5: I thought they were just being nice. So I don't
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  Speaker 5: always pick up on when things are supposed to be
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  Speaker 5: a thing. So for me, if they're supposed.
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  Speaker 5: It makes more sense to me if this is all
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  Speaker 5: just them functioning, like they're just like doing what they
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  Speaker 5: feel like doing without actually needing a reason behind it
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  Speaker 5: or actually having like a big level of attraction. It's
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  Speaker 5: just like, I'm in town. I haven't had sex in
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  Speaker 5: a while. You seem like you're down. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 5: And then like, even like, cause like even their cuddle
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  Speaker 5: time or I guess like pillow talk time, it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: really pillow talk. So I'm like, it gave like, we're
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  Speaker 5: just sharing information. I don't, I never saw it, but
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  Speaker 5: I didn't think it was supposed to be seen. I
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  Speaker 5: didn't think it was supposed to be happening.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of what I mean about like, that's what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. Like, I don't think it's the actors, but like, Like,
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  Speaker 1: it's just... Whether actors are good or not, you just
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  Speaker 1: have chemistry with somebody.
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  Speaker 2: So, like, even if you're sitting in a room silent.
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  Speaker 1: Or whatever, like, you can feel the chemistry and the
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  Speaker 1: tension between characters. And with these two characters, I feel
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  Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. And, like, I'll even bring up something like
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: the vampire-less stat interview with the vampire.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you saw.
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: If you guys watch those shows, but like Louis and Lestat,
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  Speaker 1: the chemistry is flying off the page. The rivalry, the
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  Speaker 1: chemistry between Hudson Williams and Connor story is flying off
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  Speaker 1: the pale. Even just using lanterns, the chemistry between John's
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Pierre and Kyle Chandler eyes off the page. But
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  Speaker 1: when I looked at John's story, especially with as much
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  Speaker 1: as they're pouring into this relationship and having him, he
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  Speaker 1: cried at the end when he shot her in the head.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I feel like that line that he
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  Speaker 1: said to Liana at the end of the episode, he said,
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  Speaker 1: I put this ring on and I felt nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, that's literally how I feel about you
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  Speaker 2: and Zoe.
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  Speaker 5: You're like same.
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  Speaker 1: I feel nothing. Even going to like the two times
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  Speaker 1: that they did have sex, some whack ass sex scenes.
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, nah, I need to see some
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  Speaker 1: better strokes from the two of you. And it's not
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: even just because like, obviously, yeah, I am a perv.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what I do want. I do want to
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  Speaker 1: get that. But going into like a more, you know,
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  Speaker 1: deeper narrative, like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Even the sex scenes felt stiff. between the two of them. So, like,
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  Speaker 1: that also goes to that narrative of just, like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Not you saying that the sex scene felt stiffer than
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  Speaker 5: his penis was.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, yo.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, yo.
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  Speaker 2: Facts.
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  Speaker 3: What, you know... Just to bring it back, like, in story, right?
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  Speaker 4: Like, the whole purpose of even having sex with John
• 8:49
  Speaker 4: in the first place, Zoe's purpose, was because she's a Manhunter.
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  Speaker 4: And they had discussed before, like, different ways that Manhunters,
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  Speaker 4: or the different tactics that Manhunters use to bury themselves
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  Speaker 4: within the community and get power and things of that nature. And,
• 9:04
  Speaker 4: of course, Anton even really spells it out for us
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  Speaker 4: this episode, where Anton was like, well, you know, they
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  Speaker 4: must have engaged in coitus because that is the strongest
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  Speaker 4: tool that a Manhunter uses. And also what was hilarious,
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  Speaker 4: a very hilarious scene as well, just that whole thing
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  Speaker 4: about with Hal lying about that, oh, it's a man, right?
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  Speaker 3: And he was just like, oh, that's interesting because on
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  Speaker 3: this planet, like, why.
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  Speaker 4: Would it, it would make more sense maybe to be
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  Speaker 4: a woman, but oh, it's a man, so that means
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  Speaker 4: you engaged in coitus with him too?
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  Speaker 3: And here come Hal. This is, now, here's the thing,
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  Speaker 3: and this is just a side note.
• 9:37
  Speaker 4: Hal is so damn arrogant that even in a lie
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  Speaker 4: to benefit himself, he cannot admit that John is stronger
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  Speaker 4: than him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think the only reason why he made the lies,
• 9:51
  Speaker 5: because he was like, well, because whenever, because he asked
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  Speaker 5: why first, and when he got the answer, it's like,
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  Speaker 5: because he, the the Manhunter engages in coitus with the
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  Speaker 5: alpha of the state then that's whenever John when Hal
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  Speaker 5: was like well of course me too because like he
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  Speaker 5: has to be.
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  Speaker 3: The alpha and he's like I'm the alpha here he's
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  Speaker 3: so damn damn arrogant and then like.
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  Speaker 1: And not even just arrogant but I feel like For
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: a show that like really dials down and like to
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: be a Green Lantern, you have to be fearless. How,
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: at least while we've seen him on the show, we're
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: not talking about when he first got chosen, but he's
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: been showing nothing but fear this entire season. And I'm
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: just like, they gotta be leading.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it would make no.
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  Speaker 1: Sense to me if they're not leading to him becoming
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  Speaker 1: Parallax and becoming a villain.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. I see this.
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  Speaker 2: He's afraid of being replaced. He's afraid of getting older.
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  Speaker 2: Sinestro talked about that. And he's like, oh, you're getting older.
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  Speaker 1: You're getting gray. Like, He doesn't even back up his... Like,
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  Speaker 1: every moment he's showing fear, even to the point in
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  Speaker 1: this conversation, like, fear of, like, being... Not being the alpha. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: not being the alpha.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, we had sex, too.
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  Speaker 1: Like.
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  Speaker 4: Fear of unimportance, of not being important.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, fear of irrelevancy, more or less. Irrelevancy.
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  Speaker 1: Even to the point that, like, I guess it's Batman rules,
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  Speaker 1: where he's like, oh, lanterns don't kill. If Zoe didn't
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: save him, That car exploded. Jon Stewart is dead. Like, yeah,
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: he's technically alive, but Jon Stewart is dead. Hal Jordan
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  Speaker 1: killed him. Like, you're not telling me this man is
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  Speaker 1: becoming a villain.
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  Speaker 3: What are we doing?
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 5: Before we get into that, I just want to also
• 11:28
  Speaker 5: say that the whole point where, like, Anton is telling
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  Speaker 5: everything that's going on about, like, the Manhunter and, like,
• 11:36
  Speaker 5: he is... intrigued by the Manhunter being a man this
• 11:40
  Speaker 5: time because what we find out later is that that's
• 11:43
  Speaker 5: his former lover.
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: So he's like, she's.
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: Always been a girl. She's always done female for whenever
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  Speaker 5: I was around. That's brand new information to me. Like,
• 11:52
  Speaker 5: so I will get there later, I'm sure. But I
• 11:55
  Speaker 5: just was like, that was kind of funny to find
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  Speaker 5: out later. And I'm like, how kind of like stepped
• 11:59
  Speaker 5: in it, like right then and there, like he wasn't
• 12:01
  Speaker 5: really believing him. And then that was one of his
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  Speaker 5: extra flags. Like, but also with the like, With the
• 12:07
  Speaker 5: car and John, the car was fine. And here's my
• 12:11
  Speaker 5: thing about movies and television and car wrecks. Like, in
• 12:16
  Speaker 5: real life, very rarely does a car hit something and implode. Like,
• 12:21
  Speaker 5: it happens, but not to the extent that we see
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  Speaker 5: it out on TV. Just immediate explosion.
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  Speaker 3: And so, like... So, was Hal... Did Hal really.
• 12:30
  Speaker 5: Like, have an extra care concern to make sure that
• 12:33
  Speaker 5: the car wrecks in a certain way where there's no, like,
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  Speaker 5: any way that it could explode?
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: No, he doesn't go that far. But it wasn't like he, like...
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  Speaker 3: Whenever he left.
• 12:44
  Speaker 5: John in the car, the car was just chilling. It
• 12:46
  Speaker 5: was not, like, doing any, like, gas leaks or anything crazy.
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  Speaker 3: It took a minute. Right. So, like, I hear you.
• 12:52
  Speaker 5: Like, you're making your defense for why he's a Parallax. But, like,
• 12:56
  Speaker 5: he wasn't really... Like, he wasn't trying. Well, after tonight,
• 13:00
  Speaker 5: this shit couldn't... He might go down the Parallax route.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I do want to stay on that thread a
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: little bit, Michael, because you have more, I think, comic
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  Speaker 4: book knowledge about Green Lanterns than I do.
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  Speaker 5: So, do you... Have you been aware or have you
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  Speaker 5: been of the same theory?
• 13:14
  Speaker 4: We've been testing or Ben Amin actually been testing this
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: theory that like there's something to do with the yellow
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: lanterns here because in a lot of scenes with Zoe
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: and a lot of random scenes that we see a
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  Speaker 4: lot of yellow and always around Zoe, there's been yellow
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  Speaker 4: things all around her.
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  Speaker 3: Could just be us reading too much into it. Could
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: be something different. to it.
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  Speaker 4: And because you mentioned, you know, all this fear, you know,
• 13:35
  Speaker 4: I thought about the Yellow Lanterns and then, to your point,
• 13:37
  Speaker 4: is this leading up to Parallax? Like, is there any
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: connecting tissue there to the books?
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would hope so. Even just the fact
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: that we saw Sinestro in this. And would a Sinestro
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: get a Yellow Lantern? He starts the Sinestro core. And
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: then also.
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  Speaker 2: This show isn't called Green Lantern.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: It's called Lanterns.
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  Speaker 5: Lanterns.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. With an S. Yeah, with an S.
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  Speaker 1: There are other... Granted, I got a Green Lantern behind me,
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: but there are other colors in the spectrum.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: I would hope. Granted, this theory went out the window
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, Anton, we're going to find
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: out that's Atrocitus, who was the founder of the Red Line. Nope.
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: Nope.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: That's not true.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: That theory went out the window because it's the same
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: backstory of like, oh, the Manhunters destroyed my planet, destroyed
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: my family. I'm like, literally, that's the same backstory. But no,
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Ned leads them. And Spider-Man made him, instead of Genki,
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: Miles' best friend.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: They gave it to Peter Parker. So they just gained
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: some random alien identity.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: The backstory, the hypothesis, but I like, especially being that
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: we know this is good. There's going to be another season.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: They have to introduce the other emotional spectrums at some point.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: And I hope this show always take place. in some, like,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: rural-ass town on... Like, I want to get... I want
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: some space shit eventually.
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: Well, I think you don't have to worry about that.
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: The town doesn't fucking exist anymore now. Like, all these
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: fucking orbital strikes. Like, it's almost gone at this point. So,
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: I don't... I think you don't have to worry about
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: it being set in Rushville next year or whenever the
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: next season comes out. But, you know, I do think...
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: I do like your train of thought with the whole
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: Yellow Lantern and Parallax thing. I could still see that
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: happening potentially.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Like I said.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Hal got to be mad as hell at this point,
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: you know, after everything's said and done. He got the
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: lantern stole from him. Basically, he got the ring ripped
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: from him, which I told y'all he was going to
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: do it. I told y'all I wanted him to do it. Now,
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: he didn't say the line. And I don't even know
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: if that's still truth that if he says that he
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: becomes the Green Lantern. But I was saying that I
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: was mad that I wanted John.
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: To do it.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: I agree with everyone, though, at the end of the day,
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: he's not his personality. He would just steal it. He's
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: so much more worthy. He's so much more overqualified for it.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: Why would he just steal it off of the man's hand?
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: He is owed the ring per se. But at what
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: point do you say just take it and go, sir?
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I don't want him to take it because like you
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: don't want to say everything that we've seen that he's
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: been through. Everybody's like you said, everybody's lying. Hal is lying.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Zoe's lying. The town is lying. Fucking Liana, the guardian
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: is lying. Like everybody's on some fuck shit. I want John,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: kind of like what he did at the end of
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: this episode. I want him to be like, you know what?
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Fuck all of y'all.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: But with that said, that British accent is like, came
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: out again. Cause like, speak up, speak up, bro.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: But even when, even when, and listen, he was like,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: fuck you, bro.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I want my tea and crumpets. Like that British accent
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: was coming out, but I want him to just be like,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Like all my parents, all of y'all, everybody's on some bullshit.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to finally not be a robot.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Essentially, which is what he's been doing.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: He's been following dreams that everybody else has been pushing
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: on him and not actually following his own dreams. So
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I want him to go on that journey. And then
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: maybe because also like considering the way this episode ended,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: especially him not having the trust of the guardians and
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: everything like that and him giving up the ring.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: It just makes me sit and wonder like.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Something drastic has to happen to like make me come
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: or justify him coming back to be like you know
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: what i changed my mind and i want this ring
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: again so i'm like unless we find out that like
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: liana was on some fuck shit she really doesn't have
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the back end of the guardians she's a role guardian
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and the other guardians come be like oh no john
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: we messed up you actually were here's the ring or.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Something yeah yeah um.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I don't see why he would want to come back
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: at this point.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah he definitely said get somebody else to do it
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: at the very end of this so i i agree
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: i think he this is the whole hero's journey again
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: right like he's come to this point where he completed
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: the mission essentially right he delivered the manhunter he gave
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: everything back to everything went back to the rightful owner
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: the guardian right but then now what what do we
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: do now how do we move forward do we move
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: forward and kind of what you said earlier but like
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: where is it gonna go from here because if the
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: mission is completed and there's no more orders there's no.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Nothing and He essentially was just like, fuck this shit.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: I don't want it anymore.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Then what's his purpose at this point?
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because also, even with that, it goes to the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: scandal thing with Papa Pope. You got to work twice
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: as hard. It seemed like with John, every time he
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: meets a standard, the goalposts always move. And it happens
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: to be moving when a Black man happens to get there.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: When he's getting the ring, now all of a sudden
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: they're doing interview processes where they never had to do
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that before. Also, instead of them giving him the ring,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: now he has to take it from another land.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: The goalposts are always.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Like he's not being trained in a proper way.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Like it's always something.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, statistically, I love to bring up a statistic,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: but that has been something that has been noted is that,
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: but this is specifically I saw for a black woman,
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: but it applies to other, other black folks.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: But how that is the thing.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Like whenever a black woman achieves something, they change everything.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Like they talk about this in sports, like a Misty
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: Copeland can happen again because they changed the like aspects
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: of like how she's able to make it through.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, look what happened with Beyonce. She won Best
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Country Album. They changed the rules.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Every time.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: To that point, they changed the rules, changed it, they
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: split it into Best, what, Regular Country Album and Best
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Contemporary Country.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Regular Country and Contemporary Country.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: And they come to find out.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: And then retroactively.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: They retroactively deleting it so that she didn't win the
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Country Album.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: But she can't.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: She already did it.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: So, like, you can't do that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Like, it's... So, I hear you.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I vibe with all of that. I think that has
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: been one of my.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: My areas of why I've been looking sideways at the
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: Guardian this whole time. And I think I love like,
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: we were giving her theories of, like, why she might
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: be more, like, maybe she's multiple different things.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Like, maybe she's also the Manhunter.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't trust that bitch. I don't trust that bitch.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: I don't trust her. I think, but before I, I mean,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: maybe we'll get back there, because I do want to
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: talk about, like, early on in the episode, because I'm
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: trying to marry the fact of, like, why did we
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: get what we got last episode and episode four to here?
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: So why did we see Zoe die and it's not
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: a lot.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: Like who was that for? Was that for how? Because
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: John didn't think she was dead. The Macon knew she
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: was alive. So who actually was the satellite show? And
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: then the, the whole, like, what is that? Slaughterhouse-Four.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Like, why did they do that? And was it because
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: she was trying to, like.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Possibly delay the Guardians? Like, what was the reason behind
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: all of that?
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I'm going to say one of the one things was
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: because they wanted you to see that we have space
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: lasers that could.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Blow you the fuck up.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I think they, just from a cool factor, they wanted
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: to show you that shit and to show you, hey,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: we're going to use this fucking weapon prolifically At some point,
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: and prolifically at some point, meant the next episode.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: When you say.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: You, do you mean the audience or the viewer? The audience,
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: the viewer.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I think it was just a way to be like,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: hey guys, guess what? We're going to use this cool
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: shit in just five seconds, right? Cool technology, bro.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Hey, it was to have a shock factor for the audience.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: You were like, oh shit!
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: It was supposed to be a shock factor. If anything,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I think that was the main thing.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Narratively... Probably didn't even matter, right?
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Because if she didn't get blown up, like, I don't
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: think it would have changed anything. We still wouldn't have
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: cared about the relationship.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I think narratively, because remember also what happened at
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the end of the episode. The lies.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: They went to that Hector Hammond guy.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He was pretending to be the Manhunter. And he
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: was basically like, look, this is what I can do.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: And I did this to somebody you care about. Now
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: you see the power that I got. I want you
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: to leave. leave this place. Otherwise, I'm going to do
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: it to your family. I got this. And now you
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: already saw that I can do it. Now I got
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the laser on your house. Leave. Otherwise, I'm going to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: use it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: But Hal Jordan realized that the guy was bluffing.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So it was like a last ditch.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: So you're right. Get Hal out of town. Or get John.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: To get, yeah, to get them out of town.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So you're right.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: That was a narrative connection, but it didn't work.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: And then what? Like, right?
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I'm, I don't know. I mean, maybe it wasn't strong enough,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: but it was something there. I agree with Michael.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Remember, she was shocked when she was like, oh, you
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: know what I am.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Like, you know the truth when she was talking to John. Mm-hmm.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Let's talk about Zoe a little bit more, actually, because
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: I think starting the episode with us... Because we know
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: that she has built connections with people in the town
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: for her to be able to be in the town
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: the way she is. And when I say the way
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: she is, let's get into her crucible person of color
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: moment at some point, too, right?
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Because that.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Um but the.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: Fact that she is this she presents as a southeast
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: asian woman in a very white town and like this
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: white woman comes into the diner with these two men
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: on her tail and she just sits there and dispatches
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: them breaks one guy's neck the black guy conveniently his
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: neck first why.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: The black Why he got into one?
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Why him?
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: The horror trope, once again.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: And then she ends blatantly in the diner. There's other
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: people there. There's workers there.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: People are in there.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: And she just does it offhand and whatever.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: I know that this whole establishing scene and everything is
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: just for us to realize how deep her relationship is
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: with possibly almost every family in this community.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: It's that she is.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: providing a safe haven for them because they're providing a
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: safe haven for her and that is a sense of
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: loyalty that is not something that she can just get
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: like anywhere she actually built that out for them but
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: it's so to see how that all crumbles down talking
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: about the space laser of it all like she just
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: like even though she built and established relationships with people,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: it's basically like, and you're going to be a red shirt.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Are you ready to be a red shirt? Right, right.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: But I mean, that's kind of the point, right?
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Like, they embed themselves within the community so that the
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: whole community is.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: A red shirt.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Like, the whole community is, you can sacrifice them. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: that's kind of the, that's even what she said. I
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: need to know that for her to trust people, she
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: needs to know that they are willing to sacrifice a
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: piece of themselves.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: How far are you willing to go? Yeah, that's why
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: even though she knew she could grow that woman's finger,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: but she didn't need to do that. She knew to
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she could have cloned a finger, made another finger,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: but she wanted to know how far are you willing
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice for me?
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah and but for your life like she's using you
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: want to live right okay well the sacrifice how much
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: would you sacrifice your life yeah like how much would you.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Go because even that conversation and and also i'll go
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: back to like the chemistry conversation i felt more chemistry
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: between zoe and will than i do between john because
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: like that conversation when she was speaking.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: She's like speak to me in my language tell me
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: you tell me you love me.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And i felt that even when he was like thank
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you for the time like thank you for the time
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that i did because he's supposed to die.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Anyway, he knew the cancer because.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: He had cancer. But he gave him she gave him years, 10,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: 10 plus years.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: And so he had to be alpha of a territory.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I got the alpha of a territory.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Got that. I have all these guns and, you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: put on his standard typical white man, xenophobic white man
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: thing on.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: So, like, he feels like he owes money.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: All of them do.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: All of them. Like the whole town, the fact that
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: there's nobody in that hospital, that means she's preventing.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: People from getting sick.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Like she has like Ozempic in her blood. Like nobody
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: overweight in that town.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: I'm like, is this True Blood? Did I just stumble
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: into True Blood? It gave True Blood vibes, right?
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: It gave Come Live Forever with me and, you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Frolicking Forever and Infinity. Just to touch on something you said, Portia,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: like that scene of her, you know, unfortunately killing the
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: black man first and all the other stuff.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: It was also to express and display her power. The
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: level of.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Not just power, but the level of dominance she has
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: over anybody or could have over anybody.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: She snapped his neck like.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: She was like this. She got super strength. She ain't struggling.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It was just like... It was immediate.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: And yes, there's always the thing about humans are one
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: of the most weakest creatures anyway.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: We're not made of.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Nothing, but still just the ability to just walk in
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: there and just do what you need to do and
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: sidestep everything.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I think that speaks largely to.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: how dominant she has been both.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: She may have saved the nigga's life, but also there's
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: a healthy level of fear. Like, okay.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: You know, she didn't directly save my life. I don't
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: want to be that person over there with the head
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: up to the side.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I understand.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to do what I need to do
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: to remain alive. And if I end up having to
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: owe her a favor, Oh, well, but Hey, me being
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: alive matters.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: So I think that's one of the other major reasons
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: why they showed you that scene.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: But also the thing that I find very interesting, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this, I'm pretty sure it's attention.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like the writers, especially the, like the writing
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: is so smart in this show, especially when it comes to,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you know, juxtapositions of race and conversations around it. I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: find it interesting that like you have the Manhunter who's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: supposed to be the villain. She made herself a person
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of color. Because you talked about how, you know, in
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: order to really understand an infiltrated society, you have to
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: come from a level of adversity, things like that. And
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I really liked that they had that conversation. But then
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you have this guardian who's supposed to understand a society
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: to be able to choose who's going to be Green
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Lanterns and things like that. But she chooses to make
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: herself a white woman hmm now you're getting somewhere I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: feel like that's very interesting that they decided to do
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: that and also like even when she had that conversation
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: like from an outside perspective I get they cast her
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: because she auditioned porno porno John Latham she auditioned they
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: liked her they cast her in the role but when
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: she was just like I wanted to come from like
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: adversity and things like that. So I made myself a
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: person of color. I was like, if you were really
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: about that, like you probably would have made yourself a
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: black woman. Cause if you really want to talk about
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: people that get treated, like, you know, treated the worst.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: You didn't listen to Malcolm X and it shows, nor
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: did you listen to Beyonce's.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: You would have been, you would have been a black woman.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Like if a black woman walks into fucking Rushville, Nebraska,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: be treated worse than a South Asian woman. So, but,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: but even still, I was just like, that's, that's cause like,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: even like you think about, There will be no jazz,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: no American music if we didn't go through Jim.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Crow, slavery, all of that stuff. No culture, no slang terminology.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: The Gen Z speak that they saw, which is really
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: just Black slang or Black queer slang that they.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Took from ballroom culture, all of that stuff.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: That all came from us and came from the improvisation,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the fact that we had to create this just to survive.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: I want to continue to unpack that. Go ahead. Did
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: you have something?
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, because people try to pretend like slavery,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Jim Crow, all of that stuff was so long ago.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: It really wasn't.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: There are people alive today.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: People in Congress.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: My own parents.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Half of Congress that didn't... Dick Van Dyke is 100-something
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: years old, still alive today.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: It was not that long ago. And the fact that.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: That made us really still alive.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: The fact that we are where we are today is
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: black regret. I'm not saying we got over the racism,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: things like that. But the world is very different from
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: 1920 to today. And the fact that we made that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: happen in such a short amount of time, it just
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: goes to show the level of resiliency, strength, and power
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that we just have as a people.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: That was such a random poll. He said, Dick Van Dyke,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: that man really is 100 years old and really is.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Still alive.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: He's still alive.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Still kicking. Still kicking.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Harvard Eden is like 96. Ajay Majeeda, yes, master.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: But I did want to want to continue to unpack
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: that piece about Zoe and that connection that you just
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: said just about the fact that she chose and said
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: what she said she deliberately chose that form.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: And her words were more.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: She was talking about coming into a place as an
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: outsider makes it easier for you to conquer it. Right.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Yes. And I don't know. it's clear like an alien
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: made this decision. Like it just, does that make sense?
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Southeast.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Cause like, you wouldn't say that. It's like, but.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Also like to, to use the word conquer, like, no,
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: just like it. We have spoken about, um, Liana having
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: chosen the white form to be here on earth. Like
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: that was deliberate choice. So is the idea that she's
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: on female form. She's using coitus to engage with the alpha.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: The alpha that she chooses is a white man.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: And she said why?
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Because she enjoys the comfort of being under that type
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: of protection, right?
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Of being in that type of world. She's decided. But
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: that's where this puzzle just don't click. Because the math,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: if you're saying you're going to conquer, you're poised to conquer...
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: If you are an outsider, that's, it seems very like
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: alien describing why aliens are better poised to do things
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: than humans are.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Then it is.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, like she was just.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Trying to make that connection with the John and felt
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: because where, where did she actually see people of color? Yeah.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: conquering whose energy is conqueror like within their own societies
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: perhaps like there's like battles and like that's like civil
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: wars and stuff like that like that's conquering if you
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: want to call it that but it's really just mostly
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: genocide most of the time but like that's just I
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: don't know I feel like she was using that in
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: some ways I think she used outsider she used adversity
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: she used injustice she used obstacles but the thing that
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: really stuck to my mind was the idea of calling
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: the experience of being an outsider and facing the adversity
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: and injustice and the obstacles being the crucible that forges
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: us into people who become, I was like, this is
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: like struggle Olympics decision making where you're just like, well,
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: we go through the struggle.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: We're starving artists. We do what we got to do.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: And we make the thing that much better because we
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: went through the struggle and that's why it all means
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: something because we struggled and we did it. And it's like, like,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Struggle anything is never worth it. Like, people get to...
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: That's exactly why Liana chose the form of a white woman.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Why would she struggle to just do her work?
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Like, who's trying to struggle? Who would choose to struggle? Well, listen,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: it just.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: It's a couple of things happening there. Like one, it
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: just seems like that's what man hunters do. Like they, they, they,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I don't want to say they like the struggle, but
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: they like the hunt.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: They like the, the, it's completely different.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Not the same, but Martian man hunter. He likes to,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: he takes the form of a black man.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: He does. Yeah. And it's a reason why, right? Like it's, it's,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: it's not at the end of the day to a
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: man hunter.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: It's all easy mode.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: They're just hiding. They're on a, they're wearing a mask.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: They can, they can dead everything in any second.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: That's not even an issue. is that they like to infiltrate.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: And that's why I said maybe there's a level of
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: loving the hunt in there because, I mean, it's called
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: a manhunter, right? Like loving the hunt, like loving the
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: fact that you can do the infiltrate and the true
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: detective shit and all this subterfuge to get to the
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: end goal. Because to your point, it really could be
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: that easy, just become a white man and just, you know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: fuck shit up like in a day, right?
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: But then where's the sport in that? That could be
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: part of it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know for sure, but particularly in this version
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: of it, that could be part of it. And the
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: other part that I want to respond to what you
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: said is maybe that's why I felt kind of I
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: kind of sighed earlier when you guys were like, let's
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: talk about what Zoe said. I was just like, oh,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: it felt very BIPOC. All BIPOC got to stick together.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: And maybe that's also why I didn't really like their relationship.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: It just felt like, well, the two dark.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Skinned niggas in the room got to get together.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Like going back to like her killing the black man.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: That's why I said this in my video. I'm like,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: this is why I don't identify as a person of color.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I'm black all day.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Cause anti-blackness runs in people of color all.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Day, every day. If you really was about that life,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you would have been a black woman, but you decided not.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Cause you was like, Oh, I don't want to struggle.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I don't want to struggle that much.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: I don't You know, and OK, and this is this
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: is I think this is this could be controversial, like
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: when the debates that get online from, you know, black
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: people particularly, but the whole and people of color, but prejudice,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: injustice and fear are crucibles.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: That forge your greatest self. No, please don't. Did you guys,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: was y'all feeling that?
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Or y'all did not feel that line at all?
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: It gave struggle. Like, oh, we go through a struggle,
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: but we're better for it. We're better people than white
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: people because we struggled and they didn't have to go
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: through it in a way.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: In many ways, it's almost a way to try to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: justify like, oh, yeah, well, you went through this, but
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: look what happened. It's like, well, we didn't have to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: go through it's like, yeah, we, we came out on
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the other end of it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Like I said, jazz, all of this stuff wouldn't have
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: existed without, but like.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: But here's, here's my thing. Like that's, we never had
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: the opportunity to see what our creativity would look like
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: if we did not have the struggle related to it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: So it is like, it is a justification of the
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: system being built to put us through struggle for us
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: that like, so like, calling it a crucible that tests us,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: why doesn't everyone get the same crucible? Why are we
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: the only ones tested this way? Why me, Batman?
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Like, get somebody, get everybody to do it. Put somebody
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: else in it. I don't, why me?
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: And only because I'm part of the, like, peoples who were,
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: has been, like, historically disenfranchised this whole time.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Like, that, that don't make sense.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Like, this is all After Effects covering, like, a nice way,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: a flowery way to, like, cover up exactly what's going on.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: I do like, Tatiana, you're, like, bringing in because i
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: did not know that component about like manhunters i've not
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: read the comics but like i could but i could
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: see that being a good um like reasoning factor behind
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: it all because like why else would you do it
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: like that is a thing to be like i'm gonna
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: play a game of chess at least against a baby
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: at least let me give myself a hard mode against
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: the baby.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Well, there's no comic book relevancy with regards to, like,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: they're doing with the Manhunters, and this show is, like,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: they're making shit up.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Which is why I'm thinking that's what it is.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: The only thing that's accurate is the Guardians created the Manhunters, but, like,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: in the comics, the Manhunters are robots.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: They're androids.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: They're androids that they, before the Green Lantern Corps, they
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: created the Manhunters to... create peace and order and justice
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: in the galaxy. But one of the guardians, because they
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: were on like a power trip, put like a glitch
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: in the Manhunters that caused them to like basically go
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: evil and start to destroy shit. And so- So then
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: they created the Green Lantern Corps as a combatant.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: So Order 66.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. Order 66.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Pretty much. Pretty much. So in the comics, they're not
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: organic beings.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: They're just robots.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: They're robots.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're motionless robots.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: And that does matter that they made them organic for
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: the show because, you know, obviously they.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Don't have the ability to like shape shift and all
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: that like that. All that shit is made up.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: That's only the Guardians that have that ability. Or other.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Well, Bender mentioned, like, there's at least 14 other alien
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: species that can, like, camouflage as, like, humans in some way.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Maybe Anton's people is that, right?
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Like, in the books.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's all made up. It's all.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: And that's another thing, y'all.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: It's all made up.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Like, don't tell me, like, well, it was supposed to
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: be this, it was supposed to be that. Girl, sit down.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Relax.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: This is for TV.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: This is all story.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: All fictional. But.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: But like I said, I.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I understand the point and the approach to that, but.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: As much as they've been around and know things, that Manhunter, Liana,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: and them, so on and so forth, it just still feels.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Very, very naive of you.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Like, Liana, as I mentioned before, Liana giving the diamond
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: to the family.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you could have just gave them the cash, right?
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: But also.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: If you knew so much about the world and how.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: And clearly, she's expressed she didn't know much about it,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: just like she didn't know race relations.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: Why would she?
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: But then I'm also like, damn, the Manhunter's the same way,
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: where it's just like, you don't know much about the
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: world that you've been living on, so you just.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Look who created them.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: And the fact that she chose to be a white
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: woman goes... She's like, yeah, I'm going to ingratiate myself
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: to this society to a certain extent, but I really
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: don't want to do no work trying to figure y'all out.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I don't really give a fuck about y'all humans. Y'all
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: humans are weak.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Even when she was just like, yeah, I see we
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: had a flaw in the system, how we chose whatever human,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: because we never had a human before, but I really
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: don't give a fuck.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: She's like, uh-oh, SpaghettiOs.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: She's like, how's the problem, to be honest? I don't
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: know what else to tell you. But I also think
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: it's interesting because on two parts, Liana.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Like, deciding that she, like, the whole diamond thing, like,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: was going to be the thing. Like, she possibly had
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: gone and gotten a diamond appraised as a white woman
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: and was like, I don't see what the problem is.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: I got a decent amount of money whenever I gave
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: a diamond. I don't know what the problem is.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Also, not just that, but, like, from a and i'm
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: not an astrophysicist i'm let me say that but from
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the prevalence of space diamonds are very easy to come
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: like there's a very easy there are planets that are
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: just made of diamonds there are planets that it rains
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: diamonds are all diamonds that are are is compressed carbon
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: correct like So diamonds are plentiful throughout the entire universe.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure a person that has access to the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: entire universe, because that diamond was huge. That shit, if
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you tried to do that on Earth.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: That was the Hope Diamond.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably getting hundreds of millions, if not a
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: billion dollars for that type of diamond. It's easy for
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: somebody like that to come across.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: It's just confusing me sometimes.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: It's like they know so much and there's so much advanced,
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: but then there's so much that they don't get.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: As opposed to like, I feel like her getting cash
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: is a little, would probably be harder.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: But also, is that not the white woman plight to
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: know a lot, but also, oh, suddenly not know enough?
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: I didn't know that was a problem.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: My bad, guys. Please, I'm going to start crying. Please
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: don't make me cry. I don't want to do that.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Thankfully, we ain't seen her cry yet.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Not yet.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Um just just okay so just to bring it back
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: to the episode um yeah again this this whole conversation
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: i don't know people was really feeling it like that
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: but the whole prejudice injustice conversation but it's still fed
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: into the whole fear stuff right like the whole yellow
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: lantern situation again i think we still might be going
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: down the parallax route i don't know we'll see um
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: She also said to John during that scene, she said,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: open your eyes, which could be a triple entendre at
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: that point.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Open your eyes, literally, because she was putting.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: The true blood into his eyes so he could live forever.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: But also.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Just the idea of, like, open your eyes to everything
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: that's actually happening in front of you, right? And then
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: even later in the episode, they play the Bon Iver song,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Things Behind Things Behind Things, where if you just listen
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: to the lyrics, like, very literally, it's just like, there's
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: something behind that, behind that, behind that. Whatever you think
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: you see, there's something else going on behind it. Whatever
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: you think you heard or whatever you were told, there's
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: some other.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: real reality happening.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Some of the reality happening is some of the truth happening.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: And as I mentioned earlier, everybody's still lying. So with
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Zoe saying that this song being played, all this stuff,
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: what is still yet to be revealed about everybody's role
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: in this?
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I think that little boy is a man hunter. No,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: that little boy is a man. Cause like, Like I said,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: we're only on episode five. We still got three episodes
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to go. You talking about Zoe's son?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Zoe's son.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: That little boy's a manhunter.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I don't trust that little nigga. Why is he playing
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: D1 Ball as a manhunter?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I don't trust that little nigga.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Not only just that, but she was just like, remember
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: what I taught you, or remember the word, like, And
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: then also Zoe, not Zoe, but Carrie Kane, who I
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: definitely feel like that last name was chosen for. Like
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: she's connected to Batman. Cause Kane, that's Martha's maiden name
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: before she married. So she's, I don't think she's Batwoman
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: cause Batwoman is Kathy Kane. Yeah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Kathy Kane.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She's related to, but she's definitely related to that.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: And she's from Gotham. There's definitely something going on with
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: her and her father and all that stuff. But yeah,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: When Hal confronted her, I was like, what did she
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: give you? She gave me a miracle. Yeah, you can
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: maybe say her finger or her life back, but she
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: also has this kid or whatever. I'm just like, and
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: then the fact that she was just like, remember what
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I taught you. We didn't really see her. The only
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: person that she gave a speech to was her husband
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and then.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: That little boy.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Something going on with that little boy.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Something is going on with that little boy.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: So you got me having my eye on him now?
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's giving the Macaulay Culkin good son, like, something
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: is going on with that boy. Granted, I'm the same
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: person that said Anton is atrocitous, so I could be
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: on some bullshit, but, like.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: I could be wrong as hell, but we're all throwing theories.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: So it is what it is.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Not on the, but on Zoe and what she's saying there.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: I like, I think it's also to an extent, right? Like,
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: I think it's, that's the funniest thing to me. um
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: as someone who likes to be a critical thinker and
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: encourage other people to be critical thinkers and i especially
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: if people were like bringing in thoughts that i haven't
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: even like fathomed so thank you for the little boy
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: thing did not even fathom that right um the idea
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: that like she's telling him to open his eyes but
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: she's only want she only truly wants him to open
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: his eyes so far like even when we're talking about
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: the satellite and her like putting it on his family.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: She only wants him to open so far so that
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: she gets able to manipulate him to move the way
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: she wants.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Him to move.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Right. It's all manipulation.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: And she set herself on fire, too. Like, at the
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: end of the day, she set the strike on herself. So.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: But she also, like, let him go through the... Like, he's... Like,
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: he's functioning through.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Like, she.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Saw me dying in a car.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: She allowed me to get sustained burn wounds so she
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: could manipulate me, get me in this isolated and vulnerable
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: position for I depended on her. to not only just
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: like save my life but to like make me functional
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: again she's willing to do it if I do as
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: she says he's not like she and not not only
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: does what she says but agrees like makes a deal
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: with her in a bargain to do what she says
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: and then she's like open your eyes like she's actually
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: delivering the master stroke of what he's always needed to
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: know about the universe and all the things.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: So master stroke in the bedroom hey not doing that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: And so I think for me, it's just very interesting
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: that she's playing her card of like.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people do this.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: There are people who feel like their power is their
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: aura of like, I know things and I'll share them
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: with you if you pay for my one class at $ 9.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: 99.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: Yes. And they kind of pull you in and they
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: keep drawing you in.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: But what they're really doing is manipulating your wallet. What
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: they're really doing is.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: Manipulating your time and your energy and your foot. That's
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: what they're really doing. And I think that's what she's playing.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: And I think she's confident about it because of one
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: john's fearlessness and like that willpower of the lantern and
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: like how they're like they're kind of like one track
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: minded she knows that uh john has been one track
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: minded to get the ring this whole time but also
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: because she's been successful in doing it over and over
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: and over again with so many humans before like everyone
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: who's in this town is a refuge and then especially
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: macon because I think the thing that.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: And other galaxies, because she did it with.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: With Anton.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Anton. He's ready to do revenge.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: The only reason that they broke up is because they
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: couldn't make a child together.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: But she also betrayed him.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, and that's another reason why I think that little
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: boy is because he's like, oh, they tried to make
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: a child. I don't trust that little boy. I don't know.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: That's her grandson, technically. You know, she married him.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: But also two humans made him.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I'm like, I don't, I see why. She
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: put the.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: True, she put the true blood in him. That little
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: boy got true blood in him.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: We will find out. But I was gonna.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: So, for me, like, the whole Macon thing, like, whenever
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: he's speaking the alien language with her, I think, like,
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: not only did he... Isn't he willing to go so
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: far because he gets to be the alpha male white
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: man that he gets to live out his extra long
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: life through cancer or whatever. He.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Establishes like a satellite system like whatever she sets it
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: up but he has access to all these high-grade foreign
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: like otherworldly weapons that he would never have access to
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: just being a human on his own and he gets
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: to cosplay as an alien a superior race mm-hmm And
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: we know how white men feel about their guns.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: They love, fingers up here, your race is scrumptious.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: And we know how white men feel about their guns.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: And so whenever he's speaking, I feel like every component
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: of what the psyops she's run on him, it's all
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: feeding his ego. And she knows she's able to deliver
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: on men who are strong, will-powered men. and have big egos.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: But that's what they said. She targets them into doing
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: exactly what she wants them to do. But it's not
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: simply the coitus. It's not the punani. It's actually the psyop.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: She's running long-term, and she hasn't... So maybe we see
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: that she has a stronger chemistry with Maken, because it's
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: been a longer-term established relationship with Hal, she, I mean, Hal,
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: with John, she's not able to do that because this
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: is like a quick trying to get him under her
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: wing and manipulate him. And I feel like he would
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: probably need that longer term thing. So possibly we're not
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: supposed to see him under her spell because we're supposed
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: to recognize that he was never going to do it.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: He was always going to make the choice that he makes.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: He was always going to take her out. But so
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: maybe the lack of tension, the lack of chemistry was false. Intended?
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Purposeful? But then I go to push back just a
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: little bit. But why shed the tears? Like, why are
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: you crying for her? Like, don't cry for.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Me, Argentina.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: He's a soft boy.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I don't get it.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: He's a soft boy.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I don't need it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I don't need it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: You say he's soft.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: Portia said he's soft. That's why.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: He a little sentimental. You know what's fucked up?
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: After all that Spanglish speaking they was doing, Anton Zoey
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: making all that stuff.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: The way Anton went out.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: I thought like after all he went through, all of
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: the chasing down, telling his life story.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I was hella disappointed. Not even just that, but like.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Was that a cheap death? Or like, did I just Oh,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: you felt that way?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: No, I felt that way, too.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Like, and these aliens was talking wild shit before this episode.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: How about just one of us has a bomb strong
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: enough to take out the whole fucking town. And meanwhile,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: all three of them came. Like, four of them was
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: blowing up at the same time, and it barely took
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: out a street corner. I was like, what is this?
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: Like.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like I had blue balls with the explosion.
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: I feel like you're calling everyone impotent in this episode.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: You've been calling... You're saying that the grandson wasn't fathered by...
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: You're saying everybody's... But for the.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Aliens, I was just like....
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: I was because so last week whenever tatiana brought up
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: the moon moving we had a side conversation and she
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: was like that shit and then it might be a
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: spaceship a spaceship and i was like well maybe it's
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: a spaceship it's going to be like that's going to
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: be what anton and them swoop down in and that's
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: what's going to take out the town is going to
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: have like so for them to so for for as
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: you were saying like for them to just come and
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: have like little blasts they're just taking out like a
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: couple things here and there i was just like.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Niggas are flying even even about.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Niggas is lying and and just and then i felt
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: bad because like after all of that like especially after
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: we didn't see it but we felt it what john
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: felt when he saw the visions of what happened to
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: anton's people like we know it was on genocide atrocity
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: levels and then just for him.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Gonna be atrocities like that was gonna be a play
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: but only for it to just be like a a
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: a small fart in the wind.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Like literally, like you just a nigga with a vendetta.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: And then just for how to just sweep you up
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: in a fucking tornado.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: And that's the end of that. Like, I was just like,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: God damn, like all of that work for nothing. Was
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: I wrong for getting Wizard of Oz with that?
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: I was just like, oh, so now we're, now we're doing.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're basically, they're not in Kansas, but they're
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: basically in Kansas light. So why not? I mean, probably.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Nebraska get tornadoes? I think so. I don't know.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: Probably.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's Nebraska. I mean, yeah, it's Tornado Alley.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: That's funny you say that, Portia, because I always thought
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: that there was a lot of that, you know, wizard
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: behind the curtain feel for this series anyway, particularly like
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: with the Guardians. with the idea of what being a
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Green Lantern is, specifically because of Hal and the way Hal,
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Hal to me, reminded me of when you go back
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: behind the curtain and the wizard ain't all that. The
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: wizard is just sitting there, you know, jaded, old man,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: that's just, you know, playing with tricks and tools, right? Yes,
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: HAL is much more than that, but it just gave
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: me those same vibes.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Wizards, I find it crazy. Granted, I get
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: it's a small town.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: We see there's only 1,000 people there, so I guess
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: statistically it could be a possibility. But considering we know
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: that there's metahumans in this world, nobody got horns or
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: whatever in this town.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: It's only 1,000 people. That's what I was like.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I get it's only 1,000 people, so I get it's possible,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: but they don't even reference... Cause like granted Superman isn't
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: like in college at this point or whatever.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: He's like, but like there are other people in this universe.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: Cause I'm trying to think, do they mention, I mean,
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: they do have metahumans in this version of the DC.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Cause like they said that metahumans have been around cause
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Superman was the start of this universe. Metahumans have been
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: around for like 300 something years. So like, they're not surprised.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: They're not surprised about a green lantern existing or whatever,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: but like bring that up.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Um, Yeah, I don't know. I just felt like, damn,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: all that worked for nothing. It was very unceremonious.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: And I thought that was strange considering how much they
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: built up with this guy and all the things they put.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: And then another thing, John went through all of that.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: Just for that whole thing not to even matter at
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: the end of the day.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: So I was just like, is that really what was
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: intended or what?
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm glad he made the decision that he
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: made at the end because this is the first time
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: that he's actually doing something for himself.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: No, but he's definitely the only adult in the room,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: and he's the youngest one.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole push of him being a Green Lantern,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that was his parents pushing on him. Everything that he
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: was doing, that's Hal pushing on him. Liana's manipulating him.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Zoe's manipulating him. Even him going to art school was
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: not something that he actually... Granted, he wanted to do it,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: but he didn't do it because he wanted to do it.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: He did it because his mother forced him. Like, I
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: already signed up. She did say I put in your application.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I already put in the application. You got accepted.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Now go.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Like he hasn't actually done anything for himself until this episode.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Towards that.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: He also said, uh, when he was giving his speech
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: to Liana, he was like, um, he, how probably don't
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: even remember why he wanted the ring in.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: The first place.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: He said, neither do I, but that rides along what
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: you were saying, Michael, I don't think he ever had
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: a reason to, to your point.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Everyone told him.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: His reason is because my mama told me.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I want to see that conversation when he goes home
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, nah, that part.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: Like, His parents told him, you're going to be Space
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: Jesus Cop, right? And told him that at a very,
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: very young, impressionable age. So that's all you know.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: His fifth birthday.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: That wasn't his.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: And granted, you might, just like anyone else in this world,
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: you might grow to really personally want that. But it
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: just never felt like that was necessarily something he wanted.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Like, for example.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: All he wanted was crayons.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: No.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: If his mom never made that deal, like, would he, like,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: want to be Green Lantern? Like, if he saw Green
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: Lantern on TV one day as a kid, as many
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: of those millions of kids had did that time, would
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: he have wanted to go pursue that?
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: And, yeah, you're right. This is kind of the first
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: time he makes, he does something off of his own volition.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: Right? Right?
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: You know, good, bad, or indifferent. He actually makes a
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: decision for himself.
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: The thing that stuck out to me about his speech
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: in that moment was two different things. One was how
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: He basically says that Hal betrayed everything just to keep
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: his ring. And John has sat here and witnessed firsthand
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: why it's not worth it in the first place.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: He said the.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: Ring broke him. And the ring broke Hal.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why he's able to reject it.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: Because it's like, all the things he's gotten to we've
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: talked about this but like before we get this episode
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: like all things he's done to show that he is
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: worthy of having this ring and he's still being denied
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: being able to have like equal access to it and
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: then he sees everything that hal is doing just to
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: keep it and he's like none of the things that
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: are happening around me seem worth it and one of
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: the things that i think is not worth it that
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: we see in this episode is that like how um
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: We have to get into the how. I don't want
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: to talk about it. No, keep going.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Just keep going. But how.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: I think it's Carrie who says to him that if
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: you do not leave, Zoe is prepared to take out
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: the whole town.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: Someone tells Hal that. I think it's Carrie, but I
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: can't remember.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Carrie.
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: Carrie tells him. um and he's like so be it
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: basically and then just like he's like i got like
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: the he calls he makes a call or whatever to
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: try to get like some backup or whatever but literally
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: he's just like okay and then whenever it comes to
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: the town actually being under the like brunt of like
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: zoe actually taking the laser to everybody he saves them
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: he's trying and like the town does not want him
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: there they're disgruntled them then he's saving people who don't
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: want to be saved by him but he's doing it
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: anyway so like it shows how's character but But that's
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: another component of, like, although Jon wasn't there to witness
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: that at the time, he knows, like, how his, like,
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: protects him.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Whenever they're fighting.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: How it's protective of him, even while this is all happening.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: And just, like, this is all.
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: Related to being the Lantern, the human Lantern, on this Earth.
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: And he's like, this is, it's not worth it.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: Like, I think whenever he.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: takes the ring and I think the moment where it
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: probably like all configures in his mind is he takes
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: the ring and then he looks over and it's an
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: actual living bird not a bird construct and that's like
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: what am I doing like you could see him kind
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: of the wheels turn and I was like I think
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: that's that was very thought like thoughtful and like gave
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: me a good understanding of like why he turned the
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: way he did but I think the other thing that
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: stuck with me from what he said was that like
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: There is a lot of mistakes and like the best
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: thing to do is like correct them.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Basically, like. Oh, Liana said that. You said that and
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: she disagreed.
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: But she was like, oh, yeah. He was like, y'all
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: made mistakes. And she was like, well, we correct them.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, when are mistakes ever about correction? Mistakes
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: are for learning from, but you can't go back and
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: fix something that you messed up. You can't correct a mistake, necessarily.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: Maybe you can edit your writing. You can correct something
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: that you wrote.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: In their mind, they feel like they did it.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: In their mind, Hal Jordan.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Because he's the first human to be a Green Lantern.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: That's a mistake. That's why they want to replace him
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: because Hal Jordan, and it's also why they, I feel
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: like they want Jon Stewart because Jon Stewart is just
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: a robot. That's why she was asking us, what happens
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: if I had you to do this? How would you
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: feel about it? He's like, it doesn't matter how I feel.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: It's an order and I'm going to do it. That's
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: what they want.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Hal Jordan asks questions. Why do I need to do this?
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Why do I need to do that?
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: He's rebellious and they're like, nah we don't want anybody
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: to ask a question we want we want a robot
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: we want somebody that's just going to follow.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Orders right which we learned that that's not who john
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: is and he much he's much more robust than that
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: but it also makes me feel like they're looking at
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: him like a perfected manhunter like the problem with the
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: manhunters is that they took it too far they were
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: too black and white with it right whereas you got
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: john who says this but he's still like not fully
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: obedient anyway right like he there are grays in it
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: so it's kind of When she said about correction, that's
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: their correction to the whole Manhunter program. Like, at least
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: for Earth, anyway. That's just another thing I was thinking
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: of when you said it.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: But that also makes me question.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: Guy Gardner, then.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Is Guy Gardner a correction or to be corrected? Nigga,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know. And we haven't even seen him. Like, that's...
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: going to. We're going to, according to the previews.
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: But when?
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I would say yes, just based on the Superman movie.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Because remember, at first, Superman wanted his help with Baravia.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: And he said, the Guardians told me I can't intervene
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: in human affairs. So by that, it seemed like he
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: was very by-the-book. but it was influenced the Superman that
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: made him break that.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: So then I'm pretty sure there's going to be consequences
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: That's a possibility.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: Um, when this is a point I wanted to touch on,
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: when John was walking out of town and he had
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: the lantern, he had the ring and he gets surrounded
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: by the white men with the guns.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Wait, before we talk about that lantern,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: we got to talk about his other lantern where he
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: broke out.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: When he broke out the town, we saw him in
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: his boxers. I knew he was going to.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Go there because he can't help himself.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, it was heavy, baby.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: I wasn't even looking. I'm like, that's why I'm so confused.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what? That lantern. I was like, wait a minute.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Rewind the tape.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Rewind the tape.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: I saw I can't help myself.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Aaron Pierre, that's Mufasa. At the end of the day,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: that's a subjectively beautiful man.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: So, um, but yeah, yes, yes.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: Just, it, this touched upon something you both had said
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: just about like, and, and you didn't say these words,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: but y'all both made me think I was alluding to it.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Like at the end of the day, you're still a
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: nigga because.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: When he was walking out the town, like everything, everything
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: was said and done, whether they knew making was alive
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: or not, doesn't fucking matter.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: He's the, and no, y'all could just say, Oh, it's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: cause he's a land.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: He was holding the lantern shit. Nigga, he's the only
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: one trying to walk out, mind his business, and they
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: got him with the guns. And I thought that was
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: hilariously horrible because it's just like at the end. It's
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: like first, let's just look at it for what is
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: just on the surface. This is a guy holding a lantern,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: presumably with the ring. If you can't tell that he
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: has the ring on. Everyone on Earth knows what a
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: Green Lantern is, right? Whether you love them, hate them, whatever,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: you know what they're capable of. But for you to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: just draw your weapon.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: And they don't know whether it's charged or not.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: You don't know nothing.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: But just for you to draw the weapon, just like...
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: Would you have done that? It was how would you
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: have done that? Well, clearly they did that with how?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Well, not clearly.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: They tried. They tried to kill.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: They've been trying to kill him from Jump Street.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: But it's just interesting to me that they do that
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: when everything's said and done.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Everything got blown up.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Everybody.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Limbs are everywhere and y'all.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: Still doing this.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Then, yes, because.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: We're speaking so deeply about race relations on this other stuff.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: That's the first thing I'm going to think when you
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: pull back on it. Like, he's the only Black man
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: in town trying to leave mining his goddamn business, and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: y'all still surround him, still trying to kill this nigga.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: And that's why, like, the writing is smart. And this
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: is why, like, because sometimes, like... I'm going to just
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: say it. People are stupid. You mentioned earlier, Portia, you
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: want people to think critically. Honestly, the plot has been long.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Especially as a person that makes content on the regular,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: people do not think critically.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: They don't like to look at subtext anymore.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: That's why even when they complain about, oh, there's so
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: much exposition in the writing. It's because if they don't
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: tell you, you don't think. It's not explicit on the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: page or whatever. You don't like to think critically. And so, like,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: I say all that to say, like, yeah, in terms
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: of the smartness of the writing, they didn't say on
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: the page that, like, yeah, they're doing this because they're racist. Like,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: narratively speaking, yeah, they did it because the whole town
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: is fucked up because Hal Jordan, as a Green Lantern,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: he fucked up their cushy living that they had and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: curing all the diseases and all.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: That stuff that they had would make it. Now here
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: you have another man.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Walking around with a lantern lantern ring and so they
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: feel threatened and then they don't know what he's gonna
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: do now that he also has the ring so yeah
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: on the surface of that that's what that moment is
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: supposed to be but when you peel it back and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: you know how when your teacher used to say oh
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: what was the meaning behind the meaning what was the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: that was the subtext of this.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Moment having this black man surrounded by nothing but white people.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: And they got guns on him things behind things behind
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: things i told y'all that bon iver song that was
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: playing But if you say that.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: On the internet, no, why you got to bring up race?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: It's not race. He's a Green Lantern.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: Also his skin and green so girl get out of
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: here but here's the thing for me is that like
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: they're all the people who are like ready with guns
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: those are all zoe's people right they're all zoe people
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: yeah zoe her so like you're saying like like the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: it's not if it's not written in plain text if
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: it's not like extra position then they're like people just
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: don't get it but like they literally had the leader
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: of the people who are ready to take shots at
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: john and say that outsiders are the ones who have
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: to get entangled with the alphas. And so what is
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: that if not all these white men are alphas of
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: their community? and the outsider standing up in front of them.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: And that was said by the same person who set
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: them off on a course with the weapons that they
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: have right now.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: So I think.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: It's in the subtext. It's in the pretext. The context
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: is right there. And if you don't want to pick
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: it up, you don't want to pick it up.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: But that's your choice.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: Like, at least say that you're making the choice to
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: not pick it up. Like, just stand deep in it. Like,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: that's my whole point.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: But I also think it's funny.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: Because, like, funny in a sad way that, like, Basically,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: and we kind of see this in a preview because
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: we see how the lawyer has been bossed up talking
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: to John.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: But, like, Zoe has.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: As an outsider, basically given a stockpile of highly advanced weapons.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: Because even if the, like, alien weapons are gone, she
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: had the dusk, like, smoky stuff in the freaking watchtower.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the darkness up in the tower, yeah.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: She has, like, the satellites are still going. The slaughterhouse
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: is still going. All the lasers in, like, the black
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: holes and all that kind of stuff, that's still going.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: The portals.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: So, like, these white men now have the most advanced
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: weapons without any alien oversight.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: That's powerful enough to stop a green lantern the most
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: powerful weapon in the universe.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: Yes in rushville nebraska.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: Wow is there anything else in the episode that you
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: guys wanted to like connect to talk about um that
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: we may have missed because i thought we were just
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: yelling um So my whole thing is, this is.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: More of a question, a nag, I don't know, but like,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: what actually kills a Manhunter?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: Because if.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: An orbital strike don't, why did a shot to the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: head do it? But I don't think that's what she actually.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: We need to get the context.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: We don't know if she was dead at that moment.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: She was never dead.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: They made it clear she did not die.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: She's like.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Talking about the strike. I'm talking about the shot to
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: the head. We don't know if it just maybe took
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: her out temporarily.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: He took the heart, so you're dead.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Well, he took the heart out.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: That was it.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: That was it.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're saying she could have just been incapacitated on
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: the ground. Okay.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: I guess, girl.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, enough minutes have gone by.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: The heart coming out was the final nail.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the final nail. I also think it was, like,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: very once upon a time. Like, for, like, every, so,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: because when Anton took out Macon's heart and then, like,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: had a person beating. And it was, like, especially because.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Which I thought was so, that was so brutal.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, damn.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: That was brutal as fuck.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: And that's what I'm saying. For you to do that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: just for making, like, Tin Man going in the wind later.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: I was just like, well, goddamn.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: Like, he's ineffective and he's gullible. Like, And the fact that, like,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: for me, so him going into Twister wasn't the primary
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: thing that took me out about him. Like, the impotence
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: of this character in the end. It was really more that, like, what?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: That was his big showstopper? Like, he didn't have any
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: power that was any greater than any of his red
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: shirts on his team. So, like, why are you the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: nuclear bomb?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But what was you saying about the hearts?
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: Because I did like that juxtaposition of, like, the human
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: heart and then, you know, the heart turning ice or
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: whatever the hell it was.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: So for the Anton thing, for that being, like, he
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: was trying.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: He.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: Always knew there was a higher possibility that he wasn't
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: actually speaking to Zoe, that he was speaking to someone
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: who was, like, portraying her. But in the context of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: the conversation, it's, like, former love, right? his heart, they
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: shared hearts. He goes and he takes out the heart
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: of the being that ruined his heart, like with the
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: genocide and everything that happened to his people.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: And then for.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: So we see it is John who takes out the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: heart and she's trying, she tried to begin to make
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: him become like that kind of entanglement with her. And
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: he's the one who takes it out. And then whenever
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: he holds it, it's the true heart of the Manhunter,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: not the false heart of the Manhunter. So her ex
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: gets the false heart.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Her new flame gets the actual heart. We tragedy. This
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: is so tragic.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Sorry how jordan is queer so.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: Shout out to justin brick gibson actually a black man
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: who wrote this episode um we had said that early
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: on there was that there are plenty of black people
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: who have been involved in this project um shout out
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: to vanessa baden kelly who was actually on our show
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: last episode so who wrote episode three so if you
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: didn't see that make sure y'all see that um before
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: we leave anything else that we need to cover or
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: even like what do you think is about to happen
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: in the next episode.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: I just want to note that I was very happy
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: that we got to see that Hal knew John at
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: the end of it all, because whenever Hal is laying
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: there beaten up and just down, Zoe comes in with
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: a gun and she's like, where's your partner? And Hal
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: is like, my guess, I'm the distraction. And then that's
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: when Zoe realizes that her manipulation doesn't work. But Hal
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: understood better what was going on with John than Zoe did.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: Everyone's been trying to manipulate John, including Hal.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: But he's the one who.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: Had the best vantage point, which kind of shows that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: he knew the whole time that John deserved to be
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: the Green Lantern. He could see himself within John, like,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: see how that all works out. But, like, he was
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: so wrapped up and bent on the whole replacement thing.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: And he was paranoid about the wrong thing until the
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: very end. And so seeing that that ends up being
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: his fatal flaw in this situation. And, like, what John
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: was saying, like, it was, like, he betrayed everything, including himself,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: just to keep it. I think that's probably going to
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: be the tone of what we're probably going to see
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: in further episodes of The Lanterns. It's like, are The
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: Lanterns betraying themselves to be part of this order? Who
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: are they actually being? And especially the fact that we're
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: going to see Guy Gardner as well. I feel like
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: we're going to see the intents of that. I also
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: think that....
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: Like, seeing what's been established so far, and the fact
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: that Guy Gartner shows up when John is in jail
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: and just, like, lying there imprisoned, I think. And then
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: we just, the last time we saw someone who is
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: a lantern imprisoned was, like, Sinestro. There might be some,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: maybe we'll see a 2026 Sinestro in some form or fashion. Yeah.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, what one thing that the end of this
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: episode really did give me is just even a stronger
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: context to the end of episode one, where you see
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: how they're frozen in the snow or frozen sitting on
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: the bleachers without the ring on. And in this, like,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: you know, this is the first time you see him
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: like being stripped of the ring and then how long
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he gets it back at some
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: point if he's just from this moment on he never
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: has it again like I don't know where that leads
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: him and then also if that's the case that he
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: from this point on he doesn't have anymore that means
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: what for another 10 years like he's still hanging out
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: Rushville like like or he's coming back like what what
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: happened that's what the.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: Thing though because so it because um John asked him
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: what's he doing here and Carrie's like he came back
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: for me hmm okay uh any thoughts on yeah so
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: that tells me yeah So he may have left, yeah.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: I definitely feel like next week's episode is going to
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: be the 2026. We're going to do the investigation of
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: how Jordan died. But I do think we're going to
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: get like a Hal Jordan backstory and then more from
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: like Hal Jordan's psyche.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: What is he now without the ring?
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: And that loneliness because he talks about like this job
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: is long. He doesn't have anybody. That's also why part
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: of the reason why when she said he's not fearless,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: he's just reckless because he doesn't have nothing to lose.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have anybody to fight for, anybody to live
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: for and everything like that. And then also like You know,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: they brought up Abin Sur again, so like.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the fact that Zoe killed him or.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Zoe killed him. I feel like we're going to
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: see more.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: okay and i did and i what i do hope
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: to see is when you said like more of his
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: backstory about who he is about the ring also just
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: like what happened what happened between his 10 year ago
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: hologram and and the oh yeah that's.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: True like what made him j what made him so
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: jaded because that's that's got to be a story right
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: why bring that up if you're not going to address
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: it yeah check off's gun check off's gun.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah like i love that how how looks at him
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: like What is it?
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