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Mega Edition: My Interviews With Maria Farmer (10/3/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to the Epstein Chronicles. Tonight,
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  Speaker 1: I am joined by a very special guest, and that
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  Speaker 1: guest is Maria Farmer. Hey, Maria, how you doing tonight?
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Bobby.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 1: How are you? Oh, I'm doing fantastic. It's great to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you again here on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to reach out because I'm not on
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  Speaker 2: Twitter anymore, and I miss a lot of my friends
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  Speaker 2: from there. So it's nice to be able to communicate
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  Speaker 2: with them. I have had, my health has been a
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  Speaker 2: little bit up and down lately. And I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: bring something up super fast in case, you know, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: it's something that anyone ever encounters. And that's that lymphoma
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  Speaker 2: and many cancers are very slow growing. And that means
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  Speaker 2: that for one thing, you can do something about them, right?
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  Speaker 2: And the sad part is doctors don't really do anything
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  Speaker 2: until it has become a real problem, the cancer, right?
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  Speaker 2: And so usually like when they list Hodgkin's lymphoma, they
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  Speaker 2: list one of the symptoms of being weight loss. That
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  Speaker 2: doesn't happen until like the end stage of Hodgkin's lymphoma
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  Speaker 2: when you're dying. And so I don't really appreciate that,
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  Speaker 2: that that's like one of the symptoms. But anyway, what
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say is that I've just been
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  Speaker 2: suffering lymphoma symptoms again. And basically there are a lot
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  Speaker 2: like allergies and I'm not trying to scare people, but
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  Speaker 2: if you've had this for years where it seems like
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  Speaker 2: you get these random allergic And also sometimes you think
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's your thyroid.
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  Speaker 3: It could be lymphoma and you need to get it checked.
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  Speaker 2: And I just I just wanted people to know that
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  Speaker 2: because I never got that message. You know, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: I went to doctors and told them that my grandmother
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  Speaker 2: died of lymphoma and that I had these swollen lymph
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  Speaker 2: nodes and maybe I should check them.
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  Speaker 3: And they said, oh, don't be a hypochondriac. You look great.
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  Speaker 3: You look good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that, you know, that doesn't always tell the story,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because no, it doesn't. Yeah. Carrie was sick
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  Speaker 1: and she was in fantastic shape. You would have never known,
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  Speaker 1: you know, inside the body, it's a whole different story.
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  Speaker 3: That's absolutely true.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, so basically the things that have been going
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  Speaker 2: on for me, aside from, you know, the health have
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  Speaker 2: been just trying to kind of unearth a little deeper
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  Speaker 2: what this, link these people together you know the black
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  Speaker 2: book fuckers sorry that's what they are and i'm trying
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  Speaker 2: i'm trying to discern through other survivors and through my
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  Speaker 2: experience and basically what we have is a cluster f
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  Speaker 2: you know it's a big cluster and they've all known
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  Speaker 2: each other for ages for an incredibly long time and
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  Speaker 2: um i don't know it.
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  Speaker 3: Just feels like basically um.
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  Speaker 2: This group, unless we start naming like specific names from
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  Speaker 2: the black book, because no one's doing it and no
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  Speaker 2: one's really naming the players.
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  Speaker 3: And there's one woman I'd like to mention.
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  Speaker 2: And I got her name wrong the other day when
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  Speaker 2: I was on Abby's show and her name was Amelia Yunt, Y-O-U-N-T.
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  Speaker 2: And she did, we believe she's no longer alive. Her
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  Speaker 2: family had a memorial for her. She's a victim of
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  Speaker 2: SDNY and she's also a victim of this group. And many,
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  Speaker 2: many things happened to Amelia from within this group. And
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  Speaker 2: there's an interesting player in this group who was also
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  Speaker 2: stunningly beautiful model. And her name is Josie Moran and
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  Speaker 2: Josie Moran. We don't really know her role. We don't
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  Speaker 2: know if she was a recruiter or if she was
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  Speaker 2: just a beautiful victim as well, but she was these,
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  Speaker 2: she was introducing Amelia to the men she dated and she,
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  Speaker 2: then she was introducing Amelia to people like Harvey Weinstein.
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  Speaker 2: And Amelia back in, she told the SDNY this in 2006,
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  Speaker 2: she let them know that Harvey Weinstein had raped her.
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  Speaker 2: And it caused some serious issues for Amelia. She started
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  Speaker 2: using drugs. This is a very common pattern for people
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  Speaker 2: who've suffered this. But if people could look up Amelia Yount,
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  Speaker 2: she's one of the most beautiful women just beautiful people
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  Speaker 2: I've ever seen in my life. There's a picture of
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  Speaker 2: her that a woman who's like a fake survivor who
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  Speaker 2: never met Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell. She goes by
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  Speaker 2: Kirby Summers. She uses Amelia's picture for one of her accounts.
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  Speaker 2: She's using a dead victim's picture to pretend like she's
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  Speaker 2: a victim or she, she pretends like it's some other,
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  Speaker 2: you know, account because she has all these accounts, right?
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  Speaker 2: That she uses to harass real victims on there. And
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  Speaker 2: I was one of them. I was harassed and it
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  Speaker 2: was an insufferable experience. And I decided I don't need
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  Speaker 2: that experience in my life.
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  Speaker 3: And so I'm not on Twitter. And, but anyway, the.
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  Speaker 2: Reason I brought up this group is because Amelia died
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  Speaker 2: about a year ago and it was a great loss.
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  Speaker 2: She was a great artist and she was a victim
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  Speaker 2: of this same pedophile ring. So they didn't just take
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  Speaker 2: advantage of children. They took advantage of very beautiful, very
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  Speaker 2: young women. And Amelia was one of them. And another
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  Speaker 2: person that they took great advantage of is George Tonks.
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  Speaker 2: And so the reason I've been kind of trying to
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  Speaker 2: tie all these people together is because of Wexner.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was going to say, and when you
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  Speaker 1: say they, you're talking about the group that was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: basically at the heart of all of this.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Correct. So, yes.
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  Speaker 2: So when I say they, I mean the people I
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  Speaker 2: reported to the FBI in 1996, such as Bill Clinton,
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 3: Ghislaine Maxwell, Alan Dershowitz.
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  Speaker 2: What were these people? What was going on, right? And
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  Speaker 2: Les Wexner being the main person that I reported. Les
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  Speaker 2: Wexner has completely skated on everything. He just keeps sliding by.
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  Speaker 3: Just like a snake.
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  Speaker 2: He slithers by and no one does a thing about it. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: he's been abusing and raping children since the 80s. And
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  Speaker 2: I can comfortably say this because I know two of
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  Speaker 2: the children. One was a little girl and one was
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  Speaker 2: a little boy. The little boy was in the 80s
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  Speaker 2: and the girl was in the 90s. OK, so what
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  Speaker 2: is the deal with this man and why? What what
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  Speaker 2: position does he hold in our government, Bobby?
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  Speaker 3: You know, why is he protected?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, it's like the rest of these,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one of the buzzword lately is oligarch, right? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we have our own oligarchs here in America, and Les
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  Speaker 1: Wexner is certainly one of them. So he is no
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  Speaker 1: different than you would see with an oligarch overseas, except
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  Speaker 1: he's more soft-gloved and private about it. And his own
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  Speaker 1: friends here, at least stateside, in the legacy media over
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  Speaker 1: at Pravda on the Potomac, Washington Post, places like that,
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  Speaker 1: they don't have interest in going after people like Wexner
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  Speaker 1: because then the money stops. And we all know that
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  Speaker 1: it's all at the end of the day, if you
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  Speaker 1: follow the bag, you're going to end up in some
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  Speaker 1: politician's office. Just like if you follow the money on
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  Speaker 1: the street, you're going to end up at some drug dealer.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting because it seems to go full circle
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  Speaker 2: because these people also Wexner in the 80s, one thing
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  Speaker 2: that they did is they would recruit this man Kramer,
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  Speaker 2: a good friend of his who was also in the
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  Speaker 2: retail industry, Alan Kramer, and Les Wexner would have people
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  Speaker 2: recruited from like bus stops.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking children.
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  Speaker 1: Indigent people who can't be traced and who have no family,
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  Speaker 1: who are the most vulnerable in society, the typical MO
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  Speaker 1: of these people.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: That's what they've done all along. I was one of them.
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  Speaker 3: And so was George Tonks. And so was Amelia Youngs.
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  Speaker 2: And Amelia, the interesting thing that I brought up this,
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  Speaker 2: I was confused about her name before because there was
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  Speaker 2: an Amelia Young mentioned in the court case, in the
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  Speaker 2: Ghislaine Maxwell case.
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  Speaker 3: Did they mean Amelia Young?
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  Speaker 2: Because I cannot find anyone that's an Amelia Young that's
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  Speaker 2: related to this case.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take a look in my notes and I'll have
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  Speaker 1: to overlook all that stuff. I mean, I have thousands
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  Speaker 1: and thousands of pages of notes at this point. So
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  Speaker 1: I'll take a look and see if anything has come
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  Speaker 1: up in my investigations with that name as well. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you know for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, great.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. You know, it's interesting because here I am sick, right?
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  Speaker 3: With cancer.
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  Speaker 2: And here I am an artist.
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  Speaker 3: Funny.
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  Speaker 2: So the Wexners pretend that they are benefactors of both
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  Speaker 2: artists and sick people, especially women. Abigail Wexner has their
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  Speaker 2: name on all these hospitals for women. And I just
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  Speaker 2: think they should volunteer to take care of me. Not
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  Speaker 2: that I would trust them. But I'm just saying, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's interesting that, you know, they've kept me in
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  Speaker 2: a position where I can't, I don't even have treatment
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  Speaker 2: right now. And I don't, I don't have insurance. But
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  Speaker 2: this woman, these people who feign to care so much
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  Speaker 2: about human trafficking, they care so much.
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  Speaker 3: They're so sorry that I was trafficked there.
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  Speaker 2: No, they're not. Prove it. Prove you're sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Wexner and Abigail. You know, I'm going to read something
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  Speaker 3: to you.
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  Speaker 2: Abigail Wexner has promoted domestic violence and sexual abuse awareness.
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  Speaker 2: And yet a charity fund she created only took one donation,
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  Speaker 2: $ 47 million from Jeffrey Epstein. And then she closed that charity, right?
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  Speaker 2: Volshi and her husband declined to comment questions surrounding Wexner
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  Speaker 2: and the foundation that they funded.
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  Speaker 3: I just find that.
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  Speaker 2: Really interesting that she's able to continue to skate. And
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  Speaker 2: she's preventing the wrestlers from getting any compensation for when
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  Speaker 2: they were raped the year that I was assaulted at
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  Speaker 2: her estate.
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  Speaker 1: I find that interesting. Mark Coleman and the group of
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State wrestlers who came forward very bravely because we
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  Speaker 1: all know the stigma on men and boys who come forward.
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  Speaker 1: We know that that's, you know, not what you're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to do. But for these big alpha males to come
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  Speaker 1: forward like that and to say and to come out.
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  Speaker 1: on the record and talk about what happened you have
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  Speaker 1: to really take what they're saying seriously and i don't
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  Speaker 1: think enough people did.
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  Speaker 2: No they did not take it seriously it was swept
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  Speaker 2: under the rug abigail has continued to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: they don't get any compensation for their suffering why is
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  Speaker 2: she so interested in harming human beings and especially victims
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  Speaker 2: Why in the hell haven't they, if they're such good people,
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  Speaker 2: why don't they set up a cancer fund for victims
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  Speaker 2: of all, not just cancer fund, a medical fund for victims.
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  Speaker 3: They want to run all these hospitals and talk this talk.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't they set something up for their victims who
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  Speaker 2: are dying now because of what they suffered at their hands?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I know why, because they don't want any publicity.
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  Speaker 3: They won't admit any culpability, but here they all run
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  Speaker 3: charities for children. I find that very interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to, they'll use those charities as their armor.
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  Speaker 1: When things go south, they'll wrap themselves in those charities
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  Speaker 1: and they'll say, well, look at me, look at all
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  Speaker 1: the good I've done. I can't be involved in that.
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  Speaker 1: When in reality, we all know that this is part
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  Speaker 1: of your scheme now. They can't pull the wool over
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  Speaker 1: our eyes anymore.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. And, you know, going down this rabbit hole
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  Speaker 2: of connecting dots. So the people that I saw constantly,
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  Speaker 2: and I do mean constantly, every time I stepped out
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  Speaker 2: of the house and was around Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell,
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  Speaker 2: I saw Katie Ford. OK, her mother started Ford Modeling
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  Speaker 2: Agency and she's her mother had ties to Jean-Luc Brunel
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  Speaker 2: in the 70s.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had very, very close ties. I have a
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  Speaker 1: whole like a 47 minute episode I uploaded dealing with
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  Speaker 1: Katie Ford and Jean-Luc Brunel.
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  Speaker 3: OK, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So Katie Ford, my first experience of her other than
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  Speaker 2: babysitting her child, Isabelle, My first experience of her was
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  Speaker 2: actually at Ghislaine, at Jeffrey's office and at.
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  Speaker 3: The Helmsley Palace.
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  Speaker 2: And at those offices, I walked in and I was
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  Speaker 2: meeting with Jeffrey and Ghislaine stopped me and they were
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  Speaker 2: standing there.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll never remember.
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  Speaker 2: Katie was on the left and Ghislaine was on the right.
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  Speaker 2: And they were face to face about the same height.
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  Speaker 2: And Ghislaine might have been a little bit taller. And
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  Speaker 2: Katie's hideous. And the irony of running a modeling agency.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not trying to be unkind, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: an artist. And if she had asked me to paint her,
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  Speaker 2: there's no way in hell I would have. Her good friend,
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  Speaker 2: Ghislaine Maxwell, I mean, I'm sorry, Eileen Guggenheim wanted to
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  Speaker 2: be painted.
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  Speaker 3: And I wouldn't touch that. I didn't want to go
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  Speaker 3: near that.
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  Speaker 2: I painted her a daughter who was adorable, but I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't going to paint that woman's face, you know? And
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  Speaker 2: I was relieved when she didn't hire me to commission
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  Speaker 2: me to paint her.
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  Speaker 3: And she hired this hack artist instead. I was so relieved.
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  Speaker 3: But the point being, Katie.
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  Speaker 2: And Ghislaine are standing there and this is the discussion
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  Speaker 2: that happens about my sister, Annie. Ghislaine says, Annie's going
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  Speaker 2: to model for Katie Ford. And she just basically points
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  Speaker 2: to Katie and says, and she's been, this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be a good experience for Annie. And I say,
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  Speaker 2: Annie does not want to model. And, and, and Ghislaine
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  Speaker 2: literally says at this point and looks at Katie and says,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to call Harvey.
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  Speaker 3: Cause maybe she'll, she would probably enjoy acting.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, You can't make this up.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: And the tendrils that these people have sunk in with
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  Speaker 1: each other, and not even just coast to coast, people
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  Speaker 1: don't understand. When I say a criminal conspiracy, I mean
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  Speaker 1: far-reaching criminal conspiracy, six-continent style.
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  Speaker 2: Deeper than they can fathom. And somehow, at the age
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  Speaker 2: of 26, Bobby, it hit me.
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  Speaker 1: I knew.
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  Speaker 2: And I knew it was an international pedophile ring. And
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  Speaker 2: I told the FBI, this is an international pedophile and
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  Speaker 2: child porn ring. And it's very dangerous. And they did
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  Speaker 2: not care. And they really, you know, the other part
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  Speaker 2: that we have to this before I want to finish
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  Speaker 2: on Katie Ford before we jump to Julie Brown and
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  Speaker 2: her her ilk.
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  Speaker 1: OK, perfect.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, because we've had to jump over so
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  Speaker 2: many hurdles. Like if I did a drawing of this,
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  Speaker 2: it would be. all of these elites as hurdles and
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  Speaker 2: all of the victims running, trying to jump over these
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  Speaker 2: hurdles on a track.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you guys are Barry Sanders. It's insane. I
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: always say all the time, the roadblocks and the hurdles
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  Speaker 1: that have been faced in this, this whole entire ordeal,
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  Speaker 1: it's been mind numbing as just someone who's been watching
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  Speaker 1: from the peanut gallery. I can't imagine what you, you got,
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  Speaker 1: you ladies have felt like throughout this whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's been obnoxious. You know, the me too were against us.
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  Speaker 2: They were the me nots for us. And the other
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  Speaker 2: thing that was really interesting is, I mean, they were
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  Speaker 2: blatantly against us. Like they had, okay, so they had
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  Speaker 2: an actress, if you.
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  Speaker 3: Want to call her that. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just not a fan of any of these people
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  Speaker 2: in Hollyweird. This person, she's an Arquette, called me to
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  Speaker 2: tell me that Rose McGowan decided that we're not invited
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  Speaker 2: into Me Too. And Rose McGowan feels very strongly about this.
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  Speaker 2: So we will not be supported. Epstein survivors, Maxwell survivors,
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  Speaker 2: not supported at all by Me Too.
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  Speaker 3: Just an FYI.
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  Speaker 2: I was going through Timo when she's telling me this
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  Speaker 2: and she was, she was also trying to instruct my art,
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  Speaker 2: like tell me which way to lean politically. And I
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  Speaker 2: tried to explain to her that I'm a little bit
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: of an anarchist and I'm not going to lean any
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  Speaker 2: way for her.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to lean towards truth.
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  Speaker 2: And so just, we had so many, you know, way
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  Speaker 2: worse for Virginia on this monumental scale. You know, she
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  Speaker 2: had to get, she had to hire someone to handle
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  Speaker 2: all these creeps. Basically, the other thing that really bothers
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: me is you have a situation where the FBI is
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: doing so much cover up right now. And I can
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: see all the ways in which they're trying to work this.
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  Speaker 2: They're trying to work this. They're trying to work this thing.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Are you there? Yeah, they're trying to manipulate the situation
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  Speaker 2: and make themselves look OK. For example, there's a woman
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  Speaker 2: who is clearly severely mentally ill, has nothing to.
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  Speaker 3: Do with our case.
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  Speaker 2: She is a very sick woman. She's this blonde woman
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  Speaker 2: who staged her own kidnapping back in like 2016, right?
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  Speaker 2: So she pretended she was trafficked by these two Hispanic women.
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  Speaker 1: I remember hearing something about that. Vaguely, I remember hearing
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  Speaker 1: about that case.
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  Speaker 3: So they suddenly arrested her. And this is what the
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  Speaker 3: FBI says.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: They say, we cannot have people who are pretending they
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: were trafficked out there when there's so many trafficking victims
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: that we need to assist. you know, it's hilarious what
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: they're trying to do. They're trying to, first of all,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: they're trying to make, they're trying to cast shade on us.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: We don't know if they were really victims. It took
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: 26 years to figure out if they were telling the truth.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: There were a lot of them, but you know, and
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: here's the other thing that casts shade. We have fake
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: victims out there.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: A lot of them, right?
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Like, um, Kirby Summers who pretends like she understands she
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: speaks for us, right? She's She speaks on behalf of
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: trafficking survivors. The woman's never been trafficked. What is she
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: talking about? Why are people listening? That's not even a
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: real name. That's her pseudonym, right? So why are people
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: listening to all these hags and these holly weirdos and
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: all these fakes that have never suffered what we have?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: And then you have the FBI doing this. I'm sorry,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I had to interrupt because this is just crazy to
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: me because I will forget this. The FBI then does
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: this thing where they give the, the already famous, very well-recognized,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: very coddled athletes. And I'm sorry for them that they suffered. And,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: but like I said, on Addie's show, I think there's
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: a difference between being shot and being shot dead. And
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: what I feel like happened to Virginia is that she
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: was almost shot dead and she survived it. And my God,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: people begrudge her a dollar, but those athletes.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Got $ 200 million a piece and no one said a word.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: The FBI gets up and apologizes to them publicly. in
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: a public forum, just to salt our wounds as well
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and to make themselves look fantastic, right? Oh, look, we
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: care about victims. These other people have been waiting 26
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: years for an apology. We're not gonna give them one.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: These girls that waited five years, we're all over it.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: They're famous. We're gonna make ourselves look good. They're already rich.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Let's give them 200 million a piece. You know, I mean,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Virginia Roberts went through hell.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: She's a walking miracle. And Bobby, I don't think people understand.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: George is the same. George talks.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: They both knew the most powerful people in the world
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: and were raped by these multiple powerful, powerful power players that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Run the world.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: And instead of people caring about these people who were
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: raped as children by the most powerful people on earth,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: their people are jealous of them.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: It's sick.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: We're living in a very sick society.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I know because I was, I was like,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: these crazy women came after me on Twitter and you know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: everybody's out to use these victims and it's very strange, right?
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: But we've had the good guys. We've had you, we've had,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: you know, people like Addie, we have Whitney Webb, we have,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: you know, some really, this woman Tatiana Siegel, she's amazing.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: She really cares about survivors actually. And she tells the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: truth and she does it in Rolling Stone. So she's
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: kind of a stud.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: And, but, but, but, you know, what George has.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Endorsed, I would like to get back to you because
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: it actually involves the federal government.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: So, so let me back up.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: He and Amelia, who I was discussing in the very beginning, um,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: he and Amelia works, he, Amelia.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Was his employee.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And so they were arrested on bogus wire fraud charges,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: but let me explain this company was owned. This was
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: a company started by, um, by the DuPonts, by John DuPont.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: And you know who John DuPont is, speaking of athletes, right?
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Foxcatcher, the whole flip.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: So, George is a victim of John DuPont's as well.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: He was traded off to these people and it began,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: you know, with Kramer. Um, he was, he was recruited to,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to go to Kramer's in Chicago. That's where Wexner raped him. Uh,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: there were, uh, multiple occasions, the first being really, really
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: graphic and bad for him. Um, And believe me, this,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: this is a very, these men are very disgusting. They
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: had these parties, they called mafia parties where they would
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: rape the boys with their fists.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that the actual men of honor in the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: mafia would love to know that their moniker is being, uh,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: appropriated by a bunch of child rapers. Because I could
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: speak from experience.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also a different mafia. The Jewish mafia, you know,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: children are not off limits.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I have learned. So we're talking about different mafias. This
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: isn't the Italian mob.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: No, I get it. I'm just saying the name in general.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: They're appropriating the name. They're going to have to find
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: their own name here in this country because the crooked
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: noses are not happy by the appropriation of the name here.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: That's right. But these men.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: They're all very close to DuPont. So there's something I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: want to do in a minute. And I want to
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: connect dots going back to the New York Academy of Art,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: which I'm not really allowed to discuss that school right now,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: which is weird. But anyway, I am going to discuss
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: something about it. Not anything to do with my assault,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: but something I've discovered about them that's very interesting.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: And they can't prevent that.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: But basically, John DuPont, after Kramer and Wexner, those guys traded.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: this 13 year old, he was 13.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Okay. He was 13.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: It was 12 when Kramer found him. He was 13
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: when he, he was, so he was 12 at his
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: first assault, which was by the, um, the Gilan of
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: the group, this man that recruited. And there was also
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: a woman that recruited for them. And like I said,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: they would go to bus stops. They would find homeless children. Um,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Kramer even had a charity called the gay Alliance for children.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: And it was for gay.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Children and runaways. And everyone knew that. And that's where
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: they would pick up a lot of the children.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: So, you know, Ghislaine's MO, it's been around a long
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: time and all of her buddies have implemented it all
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: over the, you know, all over the world. And, but,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: but what's interesting is he was traded to DuPont at
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: one point and lived on that estate. And he was,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: you know, his little athlete of the day. And John
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: would switch all the time, you know, so he got
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: bored of George after a while, but also they didn't
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: get along so well. So then he was traded to
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: another man of great power, a very good friend of Wexner's.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: And this was all by the age of 14. Do
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: you hear me? They changed his name so that they
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: could traffic him. And he was a DuPont. They changed
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: his name. It's all in the courts. And it's all
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: in the court records. It can be read. But anyway,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: so David Lee DuPont was his name. And then he
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: was dragged around by these people.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: And they started the DuPont Modeling Agency.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the whole entire thing with DuPont in general,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: they've had a pretty sordid past from their involvement in
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: creating weapons for war to just being a very odd
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: family in general. It's been quite the ride for that family,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: and it definitely culminated with the whole Foxcatcher experience. And
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: as a sports fan, that's really what my experience with
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the DuPonts is, knowing that story, right? But when you,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you know, you dig a little deeper into who they are,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it's definitely, again, when I always talk about the weird
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: so-called elite groups of people that we see running around
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in these small circles, this is certainly the kind of
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: people we're talking about. And it's a very small select group,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: as you well know, and they all know each other.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: They all know what they're up to. Yeah. And for
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: them to act like they don't, you know, sit around
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and talk about tradecraft the same way you would with
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: other artists or I would with other content creators.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Is just a very naive approach to take.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Well, we haven't even gotten to David Blaine yet. I'm
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: going to get to him next.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: And for my next magic trick.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Before we do David Blaine, I'm talking about Warhol. And
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: this is my little connect the dots with Warhol. So,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I'm actually, I was good friends with a friend of
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Andy Warhol's that helped found the Academy back in the day.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I think he's.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Senile now based on things he did some, he interviewed
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: with Vicki Ward and he wouldn't have done that in
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: his right mind. So I think she's using him, but anyway,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: so Andy Warhol, part of his group, you know, he
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: had a little group that followed him around everywhere.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: And one of the people in that group was Barbara Guggenheim.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: married to Bert Fields, both very good friends with Ghislaine, right?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: And Epstein, part of that group. I don't know if
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Bert was friends of theirs or if he just tolerated them.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: But anyway, Barbara Guggenheim is a piece of work. And
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: she was so verbally and emotionally abusive to me and
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: didn't pay me.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: For my work.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So she was also physically abusive in the fact that
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I was starving, right? But she's the sister of, of
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Eileen Guggenheim, who used to be the Dean of the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: New York Academy of Art and is now the president
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: of the board of the New York Academy of Art.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: She just can't let that place out free of her clutches.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Okay. And these two sisters with Andy Warhol, they butted
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: in after the school was founded and really pushed the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: man I know out. And there've been multiple lawsuits. And
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, this group is a mess. Okay. They're mean.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And there's a mean old board out there that sued
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: me when I was going through cancer treatment, not sued me, sorry,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: defamed me horribly and blamed me for my sister's heart
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: being harmed. And that's why I was going through chemotherapy.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: And I am an alum. Think about that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Like, is this what, who wants to go to a
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: school where they then defame people?
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: There's no way. I'd be furious if my school did that. Yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I'd be furious.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I'd be furious.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And they, And they do it when I'm going through
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: cancer 26 years later.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: What did I ever do wrong? I attended their school.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: God forbid you out them though. God forbid you, you
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: try and hold someone accountable. Then you're the bad guy.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Isn't that the way it always seems?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Yes. And I'm not allowed to go into detail about it,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: but I can talk about, I can talk about this
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: hag sister and her sister, Barbara, who I happen to
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: know is an abuser from personal experience. um barbara guggenheim
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: was in andy warhol's little little group right and so
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: she followed him around i don't know what you call
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: that like um like courtney love was to epstein.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not fellow travelers like the fellow travelers yeah yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: So um what's interesting yeah god there's so many overlaps
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: because i'd love to go down courtney love to that
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: lane because there's josie marine.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And when Prince Andrew showed up over at Courtney Love's
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: house at 1 a.m. in the morning that time, I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: remember that story. That was a doozy.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting?
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But all I was going to say is that
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: this Warhol thing, there's a lot of overlaps. Katie Ford
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: is super connected, was connected to it. So her mother was.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: John DuPont was a very good friend of Andy Warhol.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting because George was gifted a painting by
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: a drawing or a piece of art from Andy Warhol
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: from Mrs. Florsheim.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if you know who Mrs. Florsheim is,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: but she's she was the coolest. She's the one I.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Grew up wearing Florsheim shoes because I have very wide
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: feet and they had like handmade all their shoes. They
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: were super nice shoes. And so I always loved Mrs. Florsheim.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: It ends up she was an amazing woman who knew
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: all these people, but didn't didn't really respect them. She
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: didn't even like the Andy Warhol. So she gave it
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to George and the SDNY took it from him.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Isn't that funny?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And that leads me back to the fact that the
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: SDNY took millions of dollars worth of George's goods. And
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: he paid he spent 15 years in prison for these
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: bogus wire fraud charges.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: You know, this is all.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: This is all because of Wexner. I'm letting you know.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: They're wire fraud charges. They love those wire fraud charges.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, they love those, don't they? We all use telephones,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: so we've all committed wire fraud.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one of the predicates they used in
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: RICO when they were going after my people as well,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: my loved ones. And eventually it was what they used.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: That was the only one of the predicates that ended
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: up sticking.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Isn't that how our case never went RICO, Bobby?
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, don't even get me started on that. That's the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: whole reason, as you know, that I even started looking
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: at this case because what I went through personally with
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: my family. And then to see that there's no RICO here,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: it really, really makes me angry and aggravated and very
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: sad for the state of the country in general. Because.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: The medical system and the justice system are two tiered.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: If you're poor, forget it.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's no doubt.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: You've got it covered.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: And I all got to change.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: It's sickening. I mean, I'm watching the two collide right
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: now and I'm like, this can't, this can't continue. You know?
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, Oh, anyway, what I was saying is the
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: SDNY has stolen a lot of people's belongings. They have
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: my art.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: The FBI, they have my art. They need to hand
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: it over. It's really sad of them. I have all
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the proof that I made those paintings. I have photographs
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: of myself through the stages of the paintings. I wrote
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: on the back of the paintings because Ghislaine and Jeffrey
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: instructed me to. Eileen Guggenheim asked me to write on
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the back of this one painting for Epstein.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: It's all on there.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: And um, those were not paintings I chose to give
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: to him. These are paintings that were stolen from me
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and I want them returned. And I would like, I
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: would like it as well. If they could return everything
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: that belongs to all my friends that they've decided to
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: arrest on bullshit charges because of this group that they're
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: trying to cover for. And so they've gone after a
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: lot of victims of this group. Some of the victims
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: that ended up as children ended up jumping off. And
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: we have all the proof of this, Bobby.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: They were pushed off.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: But it says they jumped off of Kramer's balcony in Chicago.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Whole bunch of homeless kids. What are the chances? They
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: just go there to kill themselves.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just like that Democratic bundler. I forget his
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: name now. Buck, I believe, that was bringing the transient
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: African-Americans into his house, getting them high on methamphetamine and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: then they're dying. I mean, that's horrible. That's what these
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: people do. They're just sick people. They look at us
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: as just, you know, pieces of chattel to be moved
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: around and and used to whatever purposes that they deem fit.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: And partially our fault because there are all these idiots
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: out there who like worship people like Elon Musk.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, dear God, help us.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Another friend of Epstein's, not just of Maxwell's. No, they
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: did not just take a picture together. They weren't photo
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: bomb dudes. I'm so tired of this, like this whole group.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: And Jeff Bezos knew them for three years. He was
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: dating Ghislaine allegedly while he was married. People don't date Ghislaine.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: They have Ghislaine for children for them.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this whole thing is sick.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if they had him, if they
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: had Ghislaine for cure for them or not. But I
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: do know that they were there.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Why were they there?
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Right, well, why would you be hanging out with somebody
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like her?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: All of these people. Yes, exactly.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And why were they around a lot? And I mean,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Musk had multiple meetings with them. I think it's hilarious
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: when he's like, I was just photobombed at a party, dudes.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Go Russia. You know, like he's so creepy. And he just,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: and everyone just believes him.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: He's a paid shill. For everything.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I learned a long time ago about hero worship. And
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the only heroes that I've ever had in my life,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I haven't worshipped sports figures, nothing. My dad and my grandfather.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: That's it. I've never had any other heroes because guess what?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: No one's ever been worthy of my worship except those
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: people who have directly affected my life. And I've seen
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: their work ethic and I know their character.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: So I have.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Actually three heroes.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Annie Farmer, Virginia Roberts. And George Tonks. Those are my heroes.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: And Annie, because she's been a perfect human being since
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the day I met her, the day she was born,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: and I held her.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: And I've never met anyone I could love more.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: She's a rock star. There's no doubt. What Annie did
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: up there, the way she closed it, like Mariano Rivera
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: coming in out of the bullpen. Yeah, buddy. It was
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: spectacular to watch.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: She's such a stud.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, Virginia is.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: She's a real survivor.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: She's a scrapper. She's definitely a scrapper. And you know me,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for people that bite
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: down on the mouthpiece and stand in the middle of
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the ring because I don't, you know, my motto is
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: always meet shit head on. So I don't ever, I
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: don't run, I don't back down. And when I see
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: people doing that, it inspires me to step up to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the plate. And I would say stand shoulder to shoulder
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: with you ladies, but that's impossible. I'll stand a little
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: bit to the back, but stand there with you nonetheless. Yeah. Right.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: So what I was going to say is the other
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: thing about that is it's not just women. You know,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: there are men out there that were sexually abused by
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Wexner and they're embarrassed.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: And a lot of them come out.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Won't come forward.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: And I know this because when they wrote the article
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: about him for Vanity Fair, they used me and lied
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to me about what the article was going to be.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: They said they were really going to out him and
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: they didn't. They covered for him, of course, because that's
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: what Vanity Fair does. But that's what most journalists do.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: You know, They make the story and I see the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: formula now. Like when you, that's why I do all
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: these smaller podcasts. I have a lot of like major,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: you know, I've turned down a lot of major interviews
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and that's because I get really tired of, I.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Get really, sorry, I keep getting phone calls.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I get really tired of having my story be condensed
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: into a comfortable lie for everybody.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: You know, guess what?
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Sometimes things don't have to be digestible. And this is
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: one of those times you're going to choke it down.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Every time someone listens to my podcast, especially, I want
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: them to leave and feel dirty by what we talked
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: about because it's fucking disgusting. Everything that we talk about,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: everything we cover, I feel like I should bathe in
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: bleach after we're done discussing it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: I do too.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And it's just, well, I wanted to get back to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the thing that they all do these fake foundations, right?
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Because it ends up Katie Ford has a children's foundation.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting?
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, maybe Prince Andrew can go work for her foundation.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be great?
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they should do that.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you had Kramer who had the Gay
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Alliance for Children. And then DuPont bringing in all the
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: children because he's going to help them.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: So then I wanted to.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Get to David Blaine because we don't want him to
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: totally disappear from this podcast. So basically.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: he was heavily involved in the Epstein cartel.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: And, and he, what I can find, I don't know
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: if Josie Moran was his victim or his girlfriend. From
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: what I can tell, he had a lot of victims, right?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: It's a fine line with a lot of these people, right? Girlfriend, victim,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: you know, they start grooming them at 16. You know,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you know how it goes.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Well, Josie Moran was 12.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And if you look up pictures, he was stunning when
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: they started bringing her into modeling.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know. when she started dating.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I do know that according to Amelia, who is not
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: here to talk about it, but Amelia did inform people
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: that Josie introduced her to a lot of these men
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: that ended up, one of them, Harvey Weinstein, ended up
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: raping her.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: So it is a fine line.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: And it's like, at some point, some of these women,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: like this woman, Josie Moran, who was so stunning, just
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: like Amelia, Why would you want to harm somebody like you?
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Why would you want to do that? So it seems
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: like she had been brainwashed from a very young age, right?
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: And I don't know. It's hard for me to not
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: be really angry at all these people.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, I think that most of
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: them were also victims. You know, who goes into mock
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: at 12th?
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: We have to kind of take a look at it
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: with a discerning eye when it comes to these younger
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: people that are brought into these groups, because when you're
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that young, you're very malleable, you're very moldable. And it's
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: very easy for somebody who is advanced as far as
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: their vernacular, someone who might have a little bit of
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: psychology in their pocket to manipulate the situation to make
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you feel like it's a normal type of deal you're
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: involved in when we all know this shit is not normal.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: But what I was going to say about Amelia Yount,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: and I hope people look her up, is that she
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: was a real treasure for this earth. She was not
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: only stunningly beautiful, but she was, you know, a real
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: survivor for a long time of SDNY, well, the same
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: people I've survived, the FBI, the SDNY, Wexner's group.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: All of them, right? She also, quote, dated David Blaine.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: And he gave her heroin. According, she told her friends
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: this and he was always giving her heroin. And why,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: why would you do that to such a beautiful woman?
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: You know, what was your purpose?
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Another control tactic. So once you get them hooked on
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the drugs, then it becomes, they need you to provide
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: those drugs. First of all, second of all, again, you're
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: in a different mental state and you're much easier to
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: talk into things you might not want to do.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Right. Exactly.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: So my point of bringing David Blaine up is I don't,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: and not to be stupid again, but I don't want
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: him to disappear from this case. I want people to
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: be made aware of Katie Ford, David Blaine, and all
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: these people in the Black Book who participated and who
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: various survivors can come together and talk. And when we
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: start talking, we're mentioning all the same people. Another one
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: of those was, okay, of Katie Ford's husband was Andre Balotz.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: You're not going to believe this. Guess who Andre Balotz
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: dated later? Courtney Luck. Oh, boy.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: There you go. The six reads of separation from Jeffrey
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Epstein once again.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Andre Balotz was at every damn dinner, every function where
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I was with Epstein and Gillen. And what was that
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: man up to? Exactly.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: So I just I think people need to question these
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: black book efforts.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: People need to go through that book, not just Bobby,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: but people outside in this world need to start looking
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: into them, because I'll guarantee you there's only a tiny
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: handful that's innocent. And there's no doubt. at all.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: If there's a handful at all, I know of one
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: person that's a good person in that black book.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: And he was put in there so Ghislaine could make
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: her book look important.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: And that's a Kennedy. And that's it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Look, if you, if you find a black book of
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: a drug dealer, the people that you're going to find
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: in that black book are the people that are buying drugs.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: So when you find the black book of someone who's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: selling human beings, what do you think? I said, it's right.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Brilliant, Bobby.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: That's brilliant.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: That's exactly it.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: And you know, I, The reason why it really matters, well,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: first of all, right now, I worry for George for
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: his safety because he was released from prison and now
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: he's being harassed by SDNY. They're sending probation officers over
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: with the FBI to harass him.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Sounds about right. And that's a typical move by them.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: They're saying that he needs to go sweep the streets
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: of Chicago like a peasant, right, for restitution for fake
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: victims that never existed for this false wire fraud charge.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: And let me just tell you, this. The SDNY is
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: the mob. And I don't mean the good mob.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: They're just the bad guys.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I've seen it. I've seen it with my own eyes,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the way that they conduct their business. And I am
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: not impressed. Look, I've been saying it since the very
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: first episode of my podcast in 2019. We were talking
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: about Rico and the SDNY because it's been a shit
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: show for a very long time. And people don't want
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to listen. People don't want to pay attention because guess why?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Because the SDNY might be scoring some political points with
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: their buddies. And then all of a sudden, if they're
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: scoring political points, then, well, we can't say anything about
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: them because it might, you know, interrupt our tribalistic goals.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: When in reality, we should all have the same goals,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and that is protecting the most vulnerable and putting fuck
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: bags like this in prison.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, that's not what happens. Unfortunately, you have all
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: these federal judges and these prosecutors that are criminals. And
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: you have lawyers working with them in cahoots that are
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: supposed to be, you know, are paid by the victims,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: but aren't really being, you know, they're.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: In on it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: These criminal lawyers, some of them. It's really, I was
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: trying to think of that one lawyer that represented Tonks before. Well,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: there was also the FBI agent, Brian Hamway. He went
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: by Hamway, but his name is Brian Hamoy, H-A-M-O-U-I. And
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: he was giving drugs to Amelia and to George.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: He was an FBI agent. And then they made him
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: a CIA agent, Bobby.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Well, look, that doesn't shock me one bit because two
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: of the hijackers from 9-11 were living with an FBI
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: informant in San Diego before it even happened. So the
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: idiocy of the FBI is long and it reaches far.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: And I am not intentional.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: It's intentional.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not harmful.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: They're intentionally harmful to victims. To protect the perps. That's
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: all it is. They are protecting the elites and they
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: are harming society.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: You know what else they'll do as well? One of
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: their favorite moves. Just I have to throw this in
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: real quick. You'll see it a lot with like Islamic people, right?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: People who believe in Islam, people who are Arabic or
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: people who come from the Middle East.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they love to shame them.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: They'll show up and then they'll try and rile people
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: up like these people are terrorists and they'll try and
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: force the issue. And just so they could look like
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: they're stopping terrorism when in reality, we.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Had more prayers from Muslims than anyone else this year
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: during my keynote. I dare anyone to be mean to
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: any of these people.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Exactly. People are so silly. People are so silly. And
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: it's just, you know, we're at a point now where
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: like we're comfortable as a society using broad tones. And
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of any of that. I'm not
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: a fan of absolutes and I'm not a fan of
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: broad tones.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Nothing is black and white anymore.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Right. Everything is gray. And everything is so nuanced that
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: if you don't dig deep enough and you're only scratching
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the surface, you're only going to have a surface level
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: understanding of what is going on.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: That's absolutely true.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: And I crave more.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I wanted to mention the lawyer that worked closely with SDNY.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: And he's in case somebody gets arrested after this. So
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: they don't hire him.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: His name is Richard B. Herman, and he is a shyster.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: And he stole millions from people at the MCC. And
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: he's so he's promoted by SDNY. What they do is
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: they have all these informants in the jail. So when
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: you arrive, they put one with you. They tell you,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: you need Richard B. Herman to be your lawyer. He's
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: my savior. But then later, once you're in the jail,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: you find out Richard B. Herman has stolen every Rolex
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: from every man in there and taken all of his money.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: And even the SDNY is like, you need to get
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: back some of the money. You are the biggest shyster.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Like that's how bad it is, right? So they all
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: work together, obviously. Like you have Sternheim representing Tartaglione and Maxwell.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, don't even get me started with Tartaglione. Don't even
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: get me started with that. Nobody even talks about that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: That dude's from my neck of the woods in Yonkers.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I know all about the Tartagliones. Don't even get me
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: started with these people.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Well, isn't it interesting that there's only one lawyer left
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: in New York and her name is Sternheim?
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: And you know what's even funnier about it?
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Isn't it weird that she gets all the money out
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: of the Epstein estate? Isn't that funny?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Isn't it odd?
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Isn't it weird that Ghislaine Maxwell's paid for, everything's paid
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: for her through the government? And the government made us
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: sign something saying we would never get any form of
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: restitution from Ghislaine Maxwell and we would never pursue suing her.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: The government made every victim sign that. The SDNY made
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: us sign that.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, we look the SDNY at this point.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone can look at what they're
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: doing with confidence. And anyone who tells me that if
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: you tell me you have confidence in what they're doing,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I have to question your mental state.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: No, they're so done. I'm sorry. There's going to be
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: a cleanup.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Some cleanup crew is going to have to come and
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: clean up all of our government and everything. I mean,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: this is just the thing that Epstein did. He did
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: something good, actually, while he was here. He unearthed a
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: lot of shit. And you know what? We're going to
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: clean it up. And I mean, I'm going to fight
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: my cancer as long as I can and clean up.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if they think I'm going to quit,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: but I've never.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I'm a runner. I was a cross-country runner. You train
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: your brain to never quit.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: You just run.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: You get stitches. You're winded. It doesn't matter how hungry
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: you are. If you have to go to the bathroom,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you just keep running. It doesn't matter.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: They're fighting with the wrong person.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: They definitely chose the wrong fight this time.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: They're fighting with the wrong group. And we're very strong together.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: There's this great little children's book that I have because
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I'm super into, I love Iran and Persia. I'm like
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: super into that region and the art. And so I
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: collect Persian rugs. I'm like obsessed with them, you know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: little samples or whatever. I'm just obsessed with the art
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: behind them. And I can't remember.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Why I was telling you this.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Well, one thing, oh, I know one thing is that
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: our government's gone in there and murdered a lot of
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: those people and they don't appreciate it very much.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Look, our policy in the Near East is criminal. I've
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: said it from the very beginning, what we did in
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: the Levant and the Middle East. You want to talk
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: about war crimes? Come on, man. Give me a break.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Give me a break already. And the whole whataboutism that
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I see going on, though, about that, you know, trying
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: to frame it like what Russia is doing is OK
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: because what America did. That's ridiculous, too. Two wrongs don't
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: make a right. Everyone's wrong if you're trying to steal
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: someone else's sovereignty. And you can't roll into a country
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and expect no kind of consequences. Absolutely. Give me a
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: break already. I don't want to hear any of the
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: pretext stuff either. I mean, once you're talking about sovereignty,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: then those people from Ukraine should be able to fight
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: for as long as they want. With that said, though,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: it's their fight. I don't want to know fly zone.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: You know, we can't get involved at that level. Right.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't like people framing it, like framing
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: it as if Putin's in the right here, because that's
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the wrong message to send because he is not, he's
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: an oligarch. He's no different.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: He's no different than the so-called.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: They're all part of the same club.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's funny to me that people.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Don't notice that in America on a smaller scale, people
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: are like, Oh, I vote Democrat.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, I vote Republican.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Why are you so stupid? The first of all, they're
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: both on.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: The same team and they're against us. And we have
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: to make it so that, you know, It's OK if
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: you're poor. It's not a sin, actually, in our country
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: so that you're allowed to have insurance, things like that.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: 100 percent. We have to. We're at a time and
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: place now where things are very volatile and the so-called
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: ruling class is on the most shaky ground that they've
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: been on since legitimately the French Revolution. So these people,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: they're making very. I want to say desperate decisions almost.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: And you're seeing it play out on the world stage
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: when these countries that you're looking at like now with
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Russia and America, they're willing to go to the very
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: lengths of nuclear brinksmanship because they're looking for excuses to
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: explain away why they've been mismanaging their country's resources for
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: so long.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: And it's, it's, it's ridiculous to anyone who understands geopolitics.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous to see what they're doing and to
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: see the conversation around it. And the conversation once again,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: being used to pit right against left or neighbor against neighbor.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: It's exactly the same game. And I mean the same playbook.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: It's exact. Always weird.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Even though things are not black and white, things are
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: very simple and history is cyclical.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: And, I just feel World War II all over. I'm like, oh,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: here we are.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: It definitely has that feel. For people who know history,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: it has that feel. And one thing that is very, very,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: very dangerous about all of this, not to deviate from
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: the topic, is all of the weapons that are being
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: poured into Ukraine, while I'm cool with the Ukrainian people
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: defending themselves... Those kinds of weapons, man pads and laws,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: if they end up in the wrong hands, they can
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: take down planes and they're going to end up in
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: the wrong hands. There's no doubt. So right now, it's
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: it seems like the moral decision to dump weapons in there.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: But we have to learn from history and we have
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: to know that when we do that, just like with
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the Mujahideen, there are going to be boomerang consequences that
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: come in the future. Right. And, you know, we'll have
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: to wait and see what those consequences are. But there's
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: no doubt that they are coming.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: You can feel it. It's just history repeating itself.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: One thing I will say about all of this is
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: whenever you have the neocons and the neoliberals agreeing with
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: each other about something, the rest of us are in
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: for it. The rest of us are in for it.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: And that's what they're doing right now. When you have
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi sounding like Mitch McConnell, we're in big trouble.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: We're in big trouble.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: So, you know, how can we expect.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: We're also fighting... We're personally going to be fighting this
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: world economic group. We've got to knock them on their knees.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: It can't continue.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: There's just a lot going on.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: It's hilarious that there's so few of them.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: But like I said, there's so many idiots out there
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: who want to worship people with money.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: And they don't understand those people with money are never
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: going to give it to you. I can assure you
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein. One thing he never did is he never
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: benefited anyone except himself.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Right. Always made sure he got a lot of money
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: and all the artwork and all the children's bodies and,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: and lives and everything was stolen. Nothing was given in return.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: And everybody's like those women, they took, they just gold. Really?
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: What did we dig for?
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, there were a couple of women that he kept.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: for many years, but most of us were really, I mean, Lord,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: it wasn't very fun.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: And we had everything stolen, nothing given to us. And
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: that's what our government does. Our government is Jeffrey Epstein
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: in my mind.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, in a way they are. I mean,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: they were willing to look the other way. They were
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: willing to not do the right thing when it was
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: right in front of their face. You had the most
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: prolific child trafficker hanging out at the White House. And
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: there's not a big fucking hubbub about it. People aren't
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: going crazy. You're still telling me about.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I reported that president. I reported that president to that FNBI.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I reported the... the future president, Donald Trump, to that FBI. And,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: you know, I can't stand these people who are like, oh, Trump,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: he'll do not, you know, get over it. He will
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: harm us. He has.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: And he's harmed children.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: So please, please wake up.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Yes. You know, I try to point out even with Trump, too. Look,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: these are all oligarchs. They're just packaged different.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: All the same person.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: If you hate if you hate Abramovich from Russia, you
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: hate Trump because they're the same guy. They have the
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: same motivations, the same goals, more money, more power to
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: hell with the rest of us.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't care about us.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: They don't care.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's amazing to me, the whole, well,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: the scandemic, everyone believed that the government cared about us.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: They do not care about us.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: And a mask, a dirty mask that you're going to
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: put in the ocean is not going to help you,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: you know? And the thing that drove me crazy during
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: that deal is that I was in all the hospitals,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: like not all of them. I was in about five,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: 10 hospitals during that time. and staying in them, you know,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: two weeks at a time, they were all empty. I
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: had every nurse at my second call. It was just
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: not complaining. You know, they were empty. I was glad
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I didn't have to deal with, but they were now
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I realized they were empty because they were turning away
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: all the cancer patients and all the heart disease patients, right.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Because of this cold that was going or flu, whatever
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: was happening. And the point is the, the hospitals are
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: now full because all those people that were neglected for
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: so long, right. Are in there. And then all the
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: people that maybe thought the government cared about them now
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: they're there so it just feels um like people need
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: to wake up you know even Ronald Reagan said the
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: scariest word you can ever hear is I'm the government
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: and I'm here to help you.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Right there's no doubt about that there is no.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Doubt about that why do people not remember that like
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: why can't they remember that just keep that in mind
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: and and do know that Epstein was definitely working for
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: our government we just don't know which branch But he
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: was working for our government.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: He definitely was an asset. There's no doubt about it.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Anyone who says different is crazy. And, you know, I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: always bring up Whitey Bulger when people are like, well,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was a pretty vicious guy. Whitey Bulger was
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: a pretty vicious guy. So was Sammy the Bull Gravano.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: So was Gregory Scarpo, who they sent down to New
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Orleans to kill the Ku Klux Klan after the Ku
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Klux Klan members killed some black folk. So these are
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the people the FBI works with on a regular basis.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: The FBI has funded the CIA, excuse me, has funded
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: some of the worst groups in the whole world, all
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: in the chase of freedom. Whose freedom? Yeah, whose freedom? Exactly.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: So certainly not the freedom of American children.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I can tell you. Right.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Certainly not your freedom. Certainly not. Certainly not.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: No, no. None of us have felt free. And when
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I say none of us, I mean the people who
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: were truly affected. There are some people who might have
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: met him and, you know, and had a good experience
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: with Jeffrey Epstein. I don't know, but I know the
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: ones that didn't. And it's just amazing to me because
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: he was so good at his job. I now see
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: what his job, he did it very well. I don't
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: believe that he was attracted to girls at all. I
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: do not believe that one bit because the children I mean,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: he he picked children. Maybe it's just a pedophile thing
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: and I just can't understand it. But he wanted people
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: with no breasts. Right. They looked like little boys like
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: everyone at the time, you know, and then they grew
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: up to be beautiful women. But at the time, they
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: looked like they could have been a boy or girl kind.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Of strange that he didn't have. So he wasn't, and
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: then the women that.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: He chose to abuse weren't beautiful women like this Amelia Young,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: you know, rarely.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I can't say that.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: There were some of the most beautiful women in the
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: world that he chose to abuse, but they were very
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: early twenties, you know, to mid twenties, but they weren't children.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Is what I was trying to say. So basically, I
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: don't know. It's a very weird, I.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Don't understand what he was doing. I would like to know,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, what were you doing? You did your job
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: very well because you, everyone trusted him. He was the
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: most trustworthy person. When you met him, you just thought,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: my God, I can let all my guards down.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: This man is to be trusted, right?
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: And then there were times where he said weird things
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: and I didn't listen because I was dealing with poverty, right?
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Not weird things about children, just weird things to me
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: about my own body. Like about my body looking like
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: a woman's body.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Having breasts. He was very hard on me about that.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: And so they starved me because they wanted me to
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: look like a little boy.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Ghislaine said that.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: She said, you know, we just, you can't have any breasts,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: so you can't eat, you know, and my breasts just
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: wouldn't shrink.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: It was a real problem, you know?
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, that's not somebody who's naturally craving women.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: If you ask me, that seems very strange, right? Um,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: maybe he tormented the beautiful women that were older. I
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: don't mean me.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, really, I'm talking beautiful women. They were models.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: And actresses and they're stunning women. And, um, I think
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: maybe I don't know what he was doing.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: I want to know. Do you have any idea what
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: he was doing?
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I wish I knew what his motivations were, but his
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: proclivities are clear. It was about power, and obviously it
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: was about the whole entire harnessing of information because it
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: was all multilayered for him, right?
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Part of the power play was getting the girl to
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: do what he wanted. Then getting the information from the
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: target to the girl back to him was another way
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: he got off.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: And people don't understand the whole nexus of what really
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: motivated this dude and got him going.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: And I, you know, our government knows exactly what he's doing.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: The CIA and the FBI, they are filth. They're absolutely filth.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: And people are like, well, I know a good FBI agent.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, really?
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know one.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Introduce him to me. I'd love to meet a good one.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I met a really shitty CIA agent who played a
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: big game with my head for a long time. And
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: really damaged me. And that was a part of this case,
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: by the way. I've dealt with crummy FBI. And I
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: did have one nice FBI guy help me out when
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: they tried to do to me what they did to George.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: And I called the FBI because I knew immediately where
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: it was coming from.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: And it was dealt with. And I was very clear.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: I know why you're doing this. I'm the whistleblower for
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: this case. I'm well aware. And the guy said, oh,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: my God, you know what? We're going to expunge this.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: This is crazy, crazy stuff.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: So they make up things about victims that they see
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: as damaging to them. Right.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: And it's not just women. It's men, too. And they're
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: afraid and they're embarrassed.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: And, you know, if you think it's hard for women, gosh,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine being a guy like you were
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: saying about the athletes.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: You know, it's hard. It's a big stigma. I mean,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: you know, guys are not. wired to come forward and say, hey, look,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: I've been victimized. I've had the most private thing that
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I could ever have happen to me happen to me.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: And I have to come forward and say that now.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be scorned. I'm going to be laughed at.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be called names. All of that shit
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: goes into it. And it shouldn't be like that. It
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: should not be like that. People are victims. People are people.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: And just because someone is a male, it doesn't lessen
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: their victim status or the fact that they've been victimized
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: by powerful people.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Well, in a weird way, I know this sounds weird,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: in a weird way, it's worse.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Because they don't feel comfortable.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: They're not going to get the support when they come
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: forward and they don't feel supported.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Well, they end up committing suicide mainly is what happened
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: to these young men. And it's a very big prevalent problem.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: And there's no resources. There's very, very few resources for
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: these young boys. And it's definitely something I'm going to
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: be talking about moving forward in the future because I
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: just see the big problem that is definitely on the horizon.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: The Franklin scandal.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, no one ever talks about the Franklin scandal,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you know? So you have these scandals that like ours
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: involve both political parties. That one involves the Republicans, you know,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: and rape of massive rape of boys from our government.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: And it's just disgusting.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: And it's happening in communities everywhere. everywhere in the whole
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: entire world. It's at the high levels that we talk about,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: but it's also at these low levels when, for instance,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: you live in a major city and you drive downtown
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: and you see those girls walking the blade. What do
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: you think? They're bringing that money home and they're going
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: to keep it. They're giving it to some pimp, some
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: jerk off trafficker who's abusing them and taking their money
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: and beating them. And it's the cycle of disgusting sadness
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: that you see within these inner cities right now is
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: not sustainable.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's really, it's heartbreaking.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: And, you know, when George was telling me about where
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Kramer would get all of his victims, you know, where
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: he and Wexner would go seeking their victims, and I
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: realized nothing had changed.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: It just shocked me.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I'm like, God, they never
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: even changed their MO. They'd still just go after the
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: poor people. And the talented.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, if it doesn't, if it's not broken,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: why fix it?
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: And it's been the same playbook for these people for eons.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: And they're all running charities. You know, Claire Hazel, who
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: was my, my handler. That's what Ghislaine called her. And
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I highly suspect this is my opinion and I'm going
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: to put it out there. I highly suspect she was
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: handling Abigail Wexner quite a bit herself too, or Abigail
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: was handling Claire because they're all, they were always together.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: And Claire had keys to the house. And we know
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: that Wexner wasn't interested in Claire. So I wonder who was.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: That's interesting.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: So Claire Hazel was running a children's charity until Virginia
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: and I outed her as pedophiles. Yeah.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: You know, Maria, all of this is so crazy and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: there's no way we can fit this all in one episode.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: So what I'd like to do is have you come
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: back for another go at this for a part two
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: at some point in the near future so we can
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: spend another hour together and really dive back into this.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, that would be wonderful. I'm sorry, I don't know
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: if I was totally in my best today because I'm
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: kind of battling cancer.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: But I'm just like.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I get emails all the time from listeners asking about you,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: inquiring about your health. And, you know, they know that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: you and I talk and we're pretty close off of
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: this nonsense. And they always ask me, when are you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: going to have Maria on? But for me, you know,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: our friendship, I guess is what we would call that, right?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Our friendship is not something that is for, I don't know,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: for me to broadcast on my podcast. Right. But when
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: you want to come on to the podcast, obviously, I'll
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: always have you on. And that's what I try to
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: explain to people in the emails. I'm not one of
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: these people that wants to interject themselves in the life
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: of all of you. Oh, not at all.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: You're the opposite, Vahvi.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: You're so wonderful.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: You know, Addy's like you, too. He's like a protege.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: He's really.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: in the sense that he is very laid back about,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: He's a good guy. He's a very good guy. He's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: a very knowledgeable guy. Him and I might not agree
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: on everything, but who cares? He's a very smart man,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: a very smart man. And if you're interested in following
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: somebody who, you know, has a very interesting perspective on
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: this case, you should be checking him out. I've talked,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I talked about Addy's work during the trial as well.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: He did a really good job.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: And he's really great at getting, because he's so likable
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: like you are.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: So he's great at getting people to talk, you know,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: and that's what he reminds me of you because he's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: very approachable and likable.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: And so people just want to talk to him, you.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Know, for me, I'm just, I'm just a laid back
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: kind of guy. Like I don't get involved in nonsense.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit on the internet and talk
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: shit with people or anything like that. I'm here for
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: one reason. I'm here to out these dirty sons of bitches.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: That's all I care about. That is all I care about.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: I know. I'm so, I'm so grateful. Well, Bobby, it
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: was nice talking.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Maria, it is always a pleasure. And like I said,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to, we'll talk about it and we'll figure
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: out what works best for you and we'll have you
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: come back on. And if you want to have George
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: come on, we'll do a conversation with him as well.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Whatever you guys want to do. Great.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: That would be great.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right, Maria. Well, it was very nice having
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: you on the show. And to all of you out
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: there listening, you know the scoop by now. Your boy
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: will be back. More content is on the way. All right.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: So if you'd like to contact me, you can do
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: that at BobbyCapucci at ProtonMail.com. B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at ProtonMail.com. If you
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: want to find me on that swamp we call Twitter,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: you could do that too. That's at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: If you want to send me an email, we could
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: do that as well, folks. You could do that. Hey, everybody,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: and welcome to a special edition of the Epstein Chronicles.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I am joined once again by Maria Farmer. And we
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: are basically just going to pick up where we left
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: off last time. And of course, she's going to add
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: some more stuff, obviously. So how are you doing today, Maria?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: I'm great.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Bobby.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: How's that weather down there? I know you guys are
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: feeling some tornadoes.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Tornadoes still, yes. So if I cut out or it
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: gets kind of bad, I apologize.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: That's the headliner there for you folks. If it cuts
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: out a little bit, it's the tornado's fault, not mine.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I love your microphone. Your voice is so powerful
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: and it sounds amazing through that.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: It really does.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, I figure you got to add a
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: couple of different tools to the trade every now and again.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: So I purchased this new microphone and it's been working
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: out pretty well for me.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's awesome. I just spent all my free money
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: on pastels because I noticed the prices are going up.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: And so I spent... a couple of.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Thousand dollars on pastel so I can do a new series.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: And I'm excited about that. I got my paper ready.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: My, my lawyer Sigrun McCauley gifted me paper. It's like
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of it from the art store, Dick Blick. So,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm, I'm excited. I'm amped for my, my
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: stuff to start. But in the meantime, until I start
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: that and I've been working to try to help expose
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: some other culprits from the Epstein cabal. um, people that
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: affected George Tonks, uh, a dear friend and a victim
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: of Leslie Wexner.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: And my main.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Goal right now, and I'm like a dog with a
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: bone body, you know, it's funny because, um, you know,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: some of the negative people in line before I got
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: off there, a couple of the vicious people had said
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: that I'm very vindictive or very, um, I hold a grudge.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: I don't hold a grudge.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: I'm a dog with a bone.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: And it's very simple. If my task is to make paintings,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: I will not stop until I'm done with the paintings.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: If my task is to expose Wexner, I won't stop until,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I just set my mind to something. And
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: so I've really set my mind, when I was asked
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: by David Boies about three years ago prior to filing
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: an affidavit on Les Wexner, he asked me to come
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: forward and do that to help Virginia. And I did not,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: I pitched a fit. I wasn't very accommodating about it
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: because I didn't want to have to be ridiculed and
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: put on the public stage.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: And one of the trolls had reached out to my lawyers.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: It's so funny.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: They think that they can borrow my lawyers. And this
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: was a while ago, but she reached out to my
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: lawyers saying, unlike Maria, I didn't choose to be a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: public figure. And I'm like, wait, what?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, I never chose to be public. I wanted to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: be a well-known artist.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to have my name attached to an
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: infamous pedophile. And that's what all of us have had
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: to endure. And that's Virginia, all of us. We've all
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: been a lot of women didn't come forward for that
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: purpose because they're already very well known in their industry.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: And and they just didn't want to be knocked down
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: or ridiculed anymore. And it's been I've noticed it's been
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: much more ugly towards George. And I believe it's because
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: he's gay.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Look, it's quite possible. Look, we've discussed this before on
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: air and off. The stigma that goes along with abuse
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: towards men is over the top as if, you know,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: as if because you're a man, you should. Oh, you
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: should be able to stop it or you shouldn't be
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: in that position when the reality is power players use power.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter what your gender or your sex
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: is or if you're homosexual or straight. It's about the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: power play.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: You're right. That is 100% correct. That is so interesting because, yeah,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: that's what they do. Think about the wrestlers in Ohio.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: They've been wrangling the Ohio State wrestlers that were assaulted
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: under Abigail's watch the year that I was assaulted under
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Abigail's watch on Abigail's property. And, you know, those wrestlers
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: were so brave to come forward. And the Wexners are
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: refusing to let an endeavor come to that for them.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: They won't get any settlement. They're refusing to let survivors survive.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: And, you know, it's crazy because you're bringing up this. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: You bring up the Ohio State wrestlers and back to
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: the point about the stigma. You have a guy like
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Mark Coleman. We've discussed him before as well, who is a,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: you know, larger than life figure in the world of MMA.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, legitimately a Hall of Famer, larger than life figure.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: And he had a problem coming forward and coming out
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: when he was abused. So if he if he can't
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: come forward and find his strength, how can you expect
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: normal people to do that?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: And the problem too, and I've mentioned this before, but
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: I want to mention it again, because there are a
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: lot of people sitting in prisons right now, not a lot,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: but there are many that are innocent. And they're definitely
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: innocent of the charges for which they're behind bars. And
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: many of them are survivors and previous victims and have
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: gone too far. And the government didn't like it. And
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: they had to shut them up. And they tried to
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: do it with me. And they did it with George.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: They did it with several of my friends. Let me
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: put it that way. So there's a pattern here that
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: I'm paying attention to again. And it's a pattern created
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: by SDNY, the Southern District of New York. The Southern
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: District of New York enables the mafia and assists the
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: specific mafia that's Wexner's, you know, his people. And, you know,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: when it's amazing because one quick like side story is
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: that when George first was, you know, falsely thrown into prison,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: you know, it was so shocking.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: And, you know, he's in this prison.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: He goes from having millions of dollars, multiple apartments, and
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I'll explain what he did. But basically he was running
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: a top modeling agency with the DuPonts. And he was
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: a model himself. Then when he aged out, he ran
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: a modeling agency. Actually, before he aged out, he was 21.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: So this young man was threatened and harassed for quite
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: a while prior to his arrest. And he was thrown
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: into prison under bogus charges, you know, the whole thing.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: You know how they do it, Bob and me. And
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: they get wire fraud, you know.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Wire fraud. That's one of their favorites.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Am I coming in clearly still?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you're coming in. Yep, absolutely.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, good. Okay. So anyway, I was just going to
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: say that. So they put him behind bars for like
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: wire fraud. And he doesn't even know the people that
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: are involved. I mean, it's just it's ludicrous, right? And
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: the first day he's put into jail with this guy,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Vincent Bassiano.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, very gorgeous.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And Vinny pays for him to have a haircut.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: He was like really good to him. Basically pays for
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: him to have it.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: We got it. We got it. We got to explain
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: real quick to the listeners why, why that's, that's funny
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: to me. Vinny, Vinny Baciano is a mafioso figure in
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: New York and his nickname was Vinny gorgeous because he
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: owned a salon. So a mob figure who owns a salon. Okay, Maria,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm sorry.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: It's pretty adorable.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: Can you hear me clearly?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're good.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Okay. Sorry, I had to switch rooms because it was
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: cutting out a little bit. But yes, it's pretty funny
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: that he also had George get his hair cut because
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: his hair was bothering Vinny. But anyway, the government is
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: so corrupt that they actually tried to have George wear
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: wire and frame Vinny.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: And then they tried to do the same thing to George.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: So they're just constantly working with criminals against people. who
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: are maybe not committing crimes or committed crimes very different
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: than what they're being charged, you know? Like, I just
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: know that this man was put in prison for life
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: based on false charges.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: So it just, it's always wire fraud, wiretapping.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: I find that very interesting.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the predicates of RICO. And once
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: they hit you with one predicate of RICO, they have
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: you by the short hairs. And anybody who does business
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: with you or if you send money to your cousin,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: now they're caught up in the RICO case as well.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: And that's how the government leverages you. Yeah.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: But they didn't do that with Epstein, did they?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: No, exactly. And that's why, again, one of the main
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: things that gets me so fired up about all of
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: this is I've seen normal folks and I don't even
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: mean organized crime figures. I'm talking about normal people, bettors,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: gamblers get smacked with Rico and end up having to
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: pay 300, $ 400, 000 in legal fees only to end up
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: with a plea deal. And they end up going to
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: prison anyway. Yes, exactly.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: It's disgusting. Yes. And again, You know, it's interesting because
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: the thing about Wexner, and it's like anyone who's ever
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: crossed paths with Wexner, speaking of actual organized crime, there's
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: an organized criminal for you. And I can attest to it.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: I reported it to the FBI in 1996.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: They totally ignored it.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Then they came back in 2006, ignored it still, but
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: said they were going to get Epstein and Ghislaine and
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: all the others, right? They're still ignoring Les Wexner. Les
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Wexner and his wife bought a new $ 36 million property.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: I believe it's on Jupiter Island. I'm not sure where
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: you buy something that expensive. And they, of course, she's
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: going to focus on dressage now, right? So that's what
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: these people do. But God forbid all of their victims
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: have any kind of, not only, not compensation, but how
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: about just an apology? Wouldn't that be amazing?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No recognition whatsoever of any involvement of any sort
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: of fallout or, oh, I'm just going to resign from
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: my positions and that's going to be the end of that. Yeah, right.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, sure, pal.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Wexner's entire company sued him and made him step down
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: based on one of the major things was me, what
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: he did to me. But the government has never... had
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: done anything to hold him accountable for kidnapping, which there's
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: no statute of limitations, false imprisonment. I was raped because
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: of him.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: I was assaulted because of him. I was my, I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: was destroyed.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: And, you know, and what these people do too, because
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: of the nepotism is they're able to get into the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: inner circles of the art world.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: Spread the word.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: And there was no way I could sell art anymore.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: So then I was also destitute and in hiding, right?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: And then they also sent this guy that they pretended
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: to be my friend that was actually giving them information.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: And until I moved.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: To North Carolina, that man was in my life. And
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: he was very harmful to me. Very, very harmful. And
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: I am not suicidal, but it's amazing that I'm not.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Because I spent, Bobby has been over 20 years really
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: just alone with dogs. I couldn't do anything with humans
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: because everything I would have to say would be a lie.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: And so we'd go to like the pawn shop and
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: in North Carolina, there was this Jewish guy owns this
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: pawn shop and this other guy, this Italian owned a
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: clock shop. And I would go hang out with those
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: two men all day long. And so I'm sure they're
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: in North Carolina somewhere going, wow, we didn't know Maria
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: was up to stuff working behind the scenes. I was
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: just trying to learn about clocks and gold and stuff.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, and, And I'm not saying, and you, you're
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: like me, you're kind of a, you like to be
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: alone and it's a wonderful thing, but too much of
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: it is toxic. And so also like when you have
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: to lose your best friends, which I'm back in touch
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: with now, thank God. But, you know, while I was
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: in hiding, George was in prison and another friend of
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: mine too, that suffered this group. So it's interesting, you know,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: they were definitely set up right now. George is being harassed, like,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: like you wouldn't believe. By Linda Reed. Linda Reed has
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: an ankle bracelet on him. Now, George had never been
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: to Iowa and he was charged with more of these
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: wire fraud things. He'd never been there after his sentence
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: was finished of 10 years, which he did a sentence
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: for a crime he did not commit. He then was told, no,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: you're not leaving today.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: You're being transferred to Iowa.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds about right. That's what they do. That kind
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: of stuff all the time. And they'll have your whole
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: family waiting for you. They won't let nobody know. And
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: then they'll play these games. And then they wonder why
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: people are so fired up and so mad about what's
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: going on. Right.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: It's disgusting.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: It is disgusting.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: So Linda Reed right now has an ankle bracelet on George.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: So he's being, okay. So not only did they take
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: all of his money, Right. He had millions of dollars.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: He was a young man, but he had been terribly
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: successful and he had been kept by John DuPont, who
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: gave him everything for the investments that he made. So
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: he built an empire. The government took it all. And
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: the prosecutor gave like one of his apartments to his brother,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: his own brother. The prosecutor's brother got the place. The
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: artwork went around, you know, the FBI, the SDNY, they
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: stole my art. They stole Epstein's art. They've stolen George's art.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: One of the paintings George got was from Mrs. Florsheim,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: a woman that is just a tremendous artist. And she
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: gave him an Andy Warhol because George had always admired it.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: And the FBI took it, right?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: They just took it.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: They can legally seize all of your property under RICO predicates.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm talking about. So say that I'm
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: involved in a criminal enterprise and I send you some
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: money because I care about you. You're my friend. They
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: can legally seize your bank account, freeze your bank account
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: and seize your assets.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: It's insane.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: We are not in a safe country.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. And guess what? The people
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: that keep on going back and voting for the incumbents
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: each and every time, I don't understand. I'm at the
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: point where I just don't understand it.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: It's peaceful anarchy or bust at the state. We have
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: to peacefully create our own party.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: There has to be a revolution at the ballot box.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: A revolution. That's right.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: At the ballot box where people go and we vote
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: for candidates that aren't shoved down our throats. But the
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: problem is those people getting the exposure that they deserve. Yes. Yeah.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Revolution at the ballot box. That's exactly right.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: It's sickening. It really is.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: And I was never a political person until I made
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: reported two presidents to the FBI and they ignored me
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: for 20 years. They ignored me until 2006. So they
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: waited 10 years to follow up with me. And can
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: you imagine my surprise? I'm totally off grid. I didn't
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: have a cell phone. I didn't have a credit.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: Didn't have a driver's license. I literally was off grid, Bobby.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: And they knocked on my door, this fabulous looking woman,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Nesbitt Kirkadol. And she's like, hi, Nesbitt. And I'm like, oh, God,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: is this about my student loans? Because I don't have
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: any money, you know? And she said, no, no.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: She thought that was adorable.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: And she said, no, this is about your 1996 FBI report.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: Can we come in?
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: And I'm living here.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: That's always fun.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: I was living with like every stray dog that would
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: show up. I would just put them in my house.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: And I felt totally safe. People are like, do you
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: have a gun? I'm like, no, I didn't need one.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: I have, I have a bunch of dogs, you know,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: nobody got in my house, but they all pass now
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: that they were precious.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: They were the best, most rewarding thing that happened to me.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: And so I spent my thirties and forties with dogs, but, um,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Because of the government, because of that, I didn't get
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: to have, I don't know, the man I loved all
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: of my life have to have children with him or,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: you know, the little things that happen, like having a
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: life and not hiding and lying about what your name
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: is and not having to pretend you're someone else for
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: 23 years. That would be great. I'd like to do
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: that over, but I don't get to. So I want
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: to get Wexner because he did this. Touches because he
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: mafia everyone. And I don't mean the Italians. But because
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: he's mafia, everyone he touches goes down. He just decides.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: And it's the most insane thing. Imagine that there's a
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: plexiglass wall right in front of your face and you're
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: told constantly to walk forward, but you can't. Wexner is
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: that plexiglass wall. I don't know what power he has
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: with this government, but it's so insane.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: I can mention anyone, right? And they'll research it.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: But if you dare say the name Leslie Wexner, everybody
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: walks out of the room. And I mean, I'm talking like,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: you know, interviews have been canceled because of it. I
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: canceled 60 minutes because I didn't want to not talk
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: about Leslie Wexner.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: I'm tired of the charade.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: You know, I've had a lot of MSM people come
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: to me in the last year and I didn't want
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: to do anything because I'm totally daunted by the fact
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: that I will say it and say it and say it.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: And then they don't put it on there. And a
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: lot of these people are very nice and it's not
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: their problem. It's like they're overseen by Walt Disney, you know?
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: So there's that problem.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Um, but also like, I want to get into the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: angle too, about how, so George had a modeling agency, right.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: And he set this up with, um, with John DuPont
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: and he was traded from what he was sold traffic
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: from Leslie Wexner to John DuPont at the age of 14. Oh, he, he,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: made some people mad by publicly coming forward and discussing
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Leslie Wexner at the stage and discussing some of John
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: DuPont's abuses and discussing some of the other things about
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: that family.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: And all of a sudden here he is charged with
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: federal crimes.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: And so my point is they're trying to, they're trying
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: to now say that he has restitution to pay to
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: these pretend like victims that have never come forward because
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: they don't exist. The victims are in the minds of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: the SDNY butthole government. And Linda Reid, who is a racist,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: who hates, and I don't use that word very often
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: because I think it's stupid, because I think most people
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: are labeled that and it's not really true. But this
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: woman is a racist. She specifically hates Black people. It
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: is so obvious and it's so painful if you read
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: about her. the people she's put away and her husband
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: has invested. I think I sent you an article on that,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: how her husband invested in the prison system. And the
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: next day they're arresting all the immigrants.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Interesting right you look look at all of them you
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: have these congress people you have the senators they're all
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: getting rich on insider trading stock tips the grats hustle
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: and the rest of it while the rest of us
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: well you know we get we get more inflation you
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: can't have any baby formula that has to get rationed
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: so these people they're really pushing the envelope and really
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: it's at a point now where people are not going
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: to take it for much longer.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: I hope not because um i don't think if it
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: continues that children are the, are the thing used against
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: our own people, you know, that's so sick. I mean,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: basically like, I don't know. I just, there, there are
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: too many corrupt governor government officials. Right. And I'm just curious,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: like why no one goes through the black book and
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: focuses on all the people listed that are in our government.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like John Kerry, why was he really
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: good friends with Jeffrey Epstein?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: That's weird. gee, I wonder if he was involved, huh?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, with guys like John Kerry too and
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, it's funny to me that anybody who worked
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: and did business with the Council of Foreign Relations from
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: 96 till 2008, nine, anyone who did that business with
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: them or sat on that council who says they didn't
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: have anything to do with Epstein, well, they're lying because
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: he was part of it.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: That's funny you bring that up because Vicki Ward's on
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: the Council of Foreign Relations.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Look, all you have to do is tell me that
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: you're involved with the CFR and I know to go far,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: far away from you.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: Far away.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I don't want to focus on that trollop,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: but I just wanted to tell you something funny about
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: that prostitute right now. She actually, there was a man
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: on TV recently who's a famous plastic surgeon. And I mean,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but she looks like, you know, she looks haggard.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: She hasn't gone through chemotherapy. She's my age. That woman,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: she looks like a little bitty bird whose face is
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: melting off.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: And he was bragging about being her plastic surgeon.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: And I was like, God, dude, I'm going to write
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: to him and say, I don't think I brag about
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: that face because it's like really bad, bad wrinkles. But anyway,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: and I think it's because she's such an ugly person inside.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: And I think ugly begins to show. And on Twitter,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: I would always say hashtag Satan showing more to wake
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: people up like as a joke, like seriously, evil does
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: show in the face after a few years.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at that.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: Amber Heard trial right now, I know it I'm just
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: kidding around, but she looks evil. I'm like, man, something's
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: up with that woman. So I think, I think when
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: you're maybe mentally ill or cruel, it starts to, or
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: narcissistic like Vicki Ward, it begins to show. And, you know,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: and then we have Julie Brown on this vein. Julie
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: Brown is now trying desperately to get George Tonks to
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: do an interview and he refuses. She is absolutely an agent, Bobby.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but Berman is, The head of SDNY credits
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: her with them knowing about Jeffrey Epstein and says that
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: he's never heard of Jeffrey Epstein until Julie Brown of
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: the Miami Herald heroically exposed him. The problem is he'd
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: already been arrested several years before for pedophilia.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody knew who he was but the SDNY, right?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: No, I told them in 1996, so they knew damn well.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And there's such a it's such a clown
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: show over there at this point.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: It is a clown show.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: I want to say the only apology, you know, those
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: those girls, the athletes that were famous, they got an
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: apology from the FBI.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: I think they made like 200 million.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, they got 200 million dollars a piece, which is
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: unfathomable to me from some kind of, you know, lawsuit.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: The government's giving her giving them all this money.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: Because they were representing the government. Well, what about regular citizens?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't get an apology from the FBI. It's been
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: 26 years. Where's my apology? I want to testify in
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: front of Congress. I want to tell them what I think.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: And on that vein, I want to talk about something.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: When George had this modeling agency, he had to deal
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: with all the same people I dealt with, and they're all.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: In the black book, okay?
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: And one of them that may not be in the
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: black book, but is very much a part of this
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: group was Barney Frank. And Barney Frank would have his
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: lover at the time, Stephen Gobi, would contact George all
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: the time to try to harass him to get some
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: young boys, you know?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: He wanted young boy models.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: And that leads me to Trump, who until he ran
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: for president, had uh trump modeling management.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah he was he was waist deep in the
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: whole modeling game for a long ass time that was
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: like his his claim to fam almost.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: All modeling agencies unless they can prove otherwise or trafficking it's.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Like i hear you it's gross and i'm very vocal
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: about how.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: I feel about them i know because they also all
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: run anti-trafficking agencies katie ford Why were you best friends
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: with Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Eileen Guggenheim, and everyone else
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: in the Wexner cabal? Katie Ford, come forward and discuss
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: this and stop hiding behind, pretending like you're enabling, you're
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: helping not enable trafficking when you enabled it your entire career.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: You make me sick, Katie Ford. And your husband, Andre Balotz,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: was he titillated by all the young kids? Because he
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: was certainly around Epstein a lot. I would just like
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: them to come forward and answer some things because none
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: of them. And we've all had our eye.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: We all saw them. And George had to deal with
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: them as well. The same exact people. And you know what?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: Some very.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Like low, low level.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Kind of considered conspiracy theorist people that are now trying
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: to make their way up in the world, tried to
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: get in my head and lie and tell all these
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: really ugly things that had been put online about George
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: by SDNY and other people, right? And they think that
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: they're these brilliant researchers, but really all they dug up
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: was a bunch of gossip, which made me start thinking,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: how much else did they dig up that was a conspiracy?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: And I'm not going to listen to them anymore, you know?
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm starting to get like really grossed out by
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: people just going over the top with conspiracy theories when
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: there's actual conspiracy factualities occurring, like children are actually being
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: stolen and no one cares. And a lot of these
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: children are being picked up at places like the bus
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: stop or, you know, homeless shelters. You know, they pick
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: the most, vulnerable in society and they also pick normal people.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: I was a very normal person. I was just vulnerable
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: because I was destitute, you know. But I also had
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: a master's degree and an amazing amount of talent and
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: a whole career under me.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: And I had a famous mentor, Eric Fishel.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter because once, once they get, once
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: the people on the very inside decide that you're not
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: going to be part of it anymore, they just get
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: rid of you and you do starve and, or you
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: go to jail and starve or you go to jail, starve,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: your reputations are in, or you just don't have a family. Yeah. And,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: you know, so Julie Brown is an agent. Vicki Ward's
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: an agent. This is my opinion. They are the nastiest,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: dirtiest agents out there. And they're writing for our government.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: So don't read their garbage because it's lies. And I
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: know because of the things that they wrote about me
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: and then said they wrote about me.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: And, you know, then that gets us to who.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: You have Julie, Julie K. Brown, who's being sued right
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: now by Courtney and Haley.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: So that's wonderful.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: You know that they're looking to.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: I'm so proud of those.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like, it's almost like this weird, like,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know, almost like anointing of Julie K. Brown
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: for writing that story. And don't get me wrong. Great.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing that she wrote the story.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: But I said from the very beginning.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: She didn't write the story. She didn't write the story.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: She stole the notes from Brad's investigator.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though. Here's what I'm saying, though, Maria.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Here's what I think, though. That if it wasn't for Acosta,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: she would have never had any interest in the first place.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: So it was always a political bend from Jump Street.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: If it had nothing to do with Acosta, she wouldn't
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: have cared about your story. That's right. So that's what
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: it comes down to for me. It was all about Acosta.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: But the problem is that's where they stopped and they
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: showed their cards. If you don't want to be a partisan,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: you don't want to be one of these tribalists, go
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: all the way up to the top to Mukasey, who
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: really gave the order. Yes.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: Are you there?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: Yep, I'm here.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, cut out for a second.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I just missed the last part. You said
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: you don't want to be a part what?
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Well, if they really want to go after who made
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: the decision, they should go all the way upstairs to
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Mukasey because he's the one who signed off on it.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: Acosta is just a spineless, know-nothing, mid-level manager.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: But they don't care to uncover the truth because they
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: already know the truth and they're being paid to not speak.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: not reveal it.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Well they just want it they want to put enough
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: of the truth out there that they can sew a
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: bunch of innuendo so that they can give their buddies
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: a loophole and a technicality to slide out of later on.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: Right and you know who helps them disney because right
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: now hulu is coming out with a documentary and i
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: was so excited because the nicest girl reached out to
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: me and uh Oh, she was just very patient with me,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: you know, while I was sick and she was kind
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: and helpful and they're not revealing the story at all.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: They're doing a documentary on how Victoria's Secret had a downfall.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: Who cares?
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: That is the trashiest, most irrelevant, disgusting company. Please go away.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Go away.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Change your name from dirty. Your company was run by
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: a pedophile and it's called somebody's secret.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: That's filthy. I want it out of here.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: Make it go away, please, Bobby.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: They're also, they have a documentary coming out right now. Well,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: in April, later on another week or so about the
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: downfall of Abercrombie and Fitch as well. Another L brand product.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: What a joke. So that's all a coverup for the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: fact that Les Wexner has intercourse with little boys and
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: little girls when they're underage. That's called pedophilia. And I
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: wish she would sue me so badly so we could
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: go to court and go to discovery and we could
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: find out all of his dirty deeds, but he won't
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: do it. And he won't do it too, because I
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: can prove I was at his house and I can
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: prove I was assaulted there. And I have too many witnesses,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah. If he, if he, if he says
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  Speaker 1: you're lying, it's a real simple fix. He could, he
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  Speaker 1: could see you real quick and be done with it.
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  Speaker 2: I wish he would sue me. I wish so badly,
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  Speaker 2: but he won't. None of these people will sue me
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  Speaker 2: because I'm telling the truth and they're terrified and they
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: don't want their names affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein. And that's
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: too bad because they made decisions that affiliated their names
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: with Jeffrey Epstein. And there are a few people that
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: are going to start coming forward, some of the other girls.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: This isn't going to be controlled by lawyers or anyone else. Sorry,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: we're going to reveal the information and we'll do it slowly.
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  Speaker 2: But I think people should start asking John Kerry some
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  Speaker 2: questions right now. I'd like to ask John Kerry some questions.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have an interest in pedophilia, John Kerry? Why
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  Speaker 2: are you such good friends with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,
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  Speaker 2: John Kerry? Why were you doing business with them? What
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  Speaker 2: is your deal, John Kerry?
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  Speaker 1: He sure was pictured at the house. I mean, look.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he sure.
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  Speaker 1: The facts are the facts. You know, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: The facts are the facts. And I don't really give
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  Speaker 1: a shit about either of these stupid ass political parties
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: that caused me all kinds of grief on a day
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  Speaker 1: to day basis. Here's what I care about. All of
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: these people who are involved being rounded up, being indicted
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  Speaker 1: and being tried. That's all I care about. That's what
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: I want.
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  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: So they can keep their political games. And I said
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: it in an episode recently that anyone who wants to
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: use this Jeffrey Epstein topic and your story and the
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: story of the other survivors as a political cudgel, they
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: should just go fuck themselves because it's ridiculous. It causes
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of drama. It causes just problems.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And here's the thing. Both political parties were heavily involved. Yeah.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Just follow the money. Follow the money.
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  Speaker 2: Skated out of this earth without being imprisoned for raping children.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: Richardson, the state that.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: The government then gives him all their government land and
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: he builds a pedophile mansion on it. And, and now
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: that the man.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: Who literally did all the human.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: Trafficking, literally trafficked the children in his, flip an airplane,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: that man was given that land and he's a millionaire now.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: Why are all the people that enabled Jeffrey Epstein, like
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: Sarah Kellan, Leslie Groff, why is SDNY letting them skate?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: And they tried to get George Tonks on anything. And
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: why did they try to get me? And why are they,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: I know, I mean, these are rhetorical questions, of course,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: because we all know that this group only, it's nepotism.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: It only helps itself.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: And the problem is, It's not going to stop until
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: enough people wake up and start playing this game of volleyball.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: My team, your team, the only team is the team
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: of humanity versus these absolute idiots, scumbag, manipulative creatures who've
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: taken over our government.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Pretty good explanation of what they are because i feel
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: the same way look i'm so tired of it the
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: the whole charade the whole wrestling facade that they put
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: on oh we hate this one or we hate that
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: one well at the same time they're all breaking bread
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes while they have everybody fired up and
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: hating their neighbor enough is enough already come on yeah
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: why are people still falling for.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: It i don't know it's like the black white thing
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: it's like people fall for the skin thing it's your
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: skin who cares You know, the first thing you learn
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: as an artist in light and color physics is that
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: white is the combination of all color. Therefore, the most
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: colored people on earth are the white people. The irony
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: is so thick that there are people like Bill Gates
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: trying to get rid of people with skin coloring when
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: they have more color in their skin.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, the whole thing is backwards.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing that everybody needs to understand. None of
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: that matters. Here's what matters. Here's what matters. OK, do
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: you have financial power or don't you? If you do
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: not have financial power, you do not matter. And if
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: you have financial power, that means millions of dollars, my friends.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: So those of you who are sitting out there with
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: your great careers and, you know, your six figure incomes, great,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: you're doing good, but you do not have financial power.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Those are the ones who make the decisions in this country.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who you are or what ethnicity you are.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're poor, if you're poor, you
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: have a boot on your neck, believe it or not,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: like it or not. That's just the facts.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: That is, that is an absolute truth. I do think though,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: there are certain groups in society that are more, you know,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: more singled out maybe. I mean, I don't know. It
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: just feels like, just like I said, again, because George,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: the thing that he's gay, it feels like, you know,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: some of these like low level podcasters are snubbing us.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: And I just think that's really funny since the mainstream
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: media is like embracing the story and like totally digging
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: into it, you know? But I just think We needed
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: people like you, Bobby, to spread the word.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: You're the man.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: You know me. Here's the thing. I just I roll
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: by myself. I don't need anyone to co-sign me. I
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: don't need to go on anyone else's show. I don't
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: need help. I don't I do my own work. I
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: spend my own money. I don't ask for crowdfunding. None
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: of that stuff. I do what I have to do
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, I have my
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: own gripes with the way the government conducts itself. So
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: this this was a springboard for me. And it just
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: happened to launch me into orbit and make me completely
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: and utterly disgusted by what was going on. Yes. Here's
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: the thing. Even if I wasn't here right now doing
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: this behind the microphone, my poor family and friends would
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: be subjected to these rants out in the backyard as
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: we were talking or swimming or whatever we were doing.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: So I figured I might as well get behind the microphone. Right.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: And rant and rave for the whole world to hear.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: I don't talk about any of this to the world.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: Like none of my, actually no one that knew me
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: in my life until, you know, the last three years
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: even knew about this. No one like, you know, Annie
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: and I never discussed Epstein, but man, did it ever
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: feel good to get on like your show and just
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: let it rip? and let people know the truth because
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: the truth doesn't come out of many people. And it's
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: funny because as soon as people start worrying about their
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: careers or, oh, I have a career now, I have
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: to worry about it. Oh, really? Okay, you're not gonna
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: have a career if you act like that. And you
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: don't do that because you're a one-man show. And you know,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: you know where the truth is.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing. I don't really I don't care.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Like, what are you going to do? Oh, you're all
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: stop listening to the pot. Stop listening. Good. Whatever, man.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I'll start talking about
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: other things. You know, I have a million different subjects
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: I can talk about with a bazillion other people that
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: want to listen. So I'm not here to, I'm not
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: here to convince anybody of anything. I'm not here to
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: make you feel one way or the other. I'm here
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: to curate this story. I'm here to give my opinion
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: on it and to read in between the lines and
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: say the shit other people don't want to say. Being
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: digestible is not something that I attempt to be.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so grateful. So I'm incredibly grateful, Bobby. Thank
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: you so much for this interview.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: Of course, Maria. Look, it's like I said, anytime you
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: want to come on and tell your truth, your story,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: what happened to you and what you, you know, have
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: to say, you are welcome. Yeah. You're more than welcome
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: to come on to my podcast anytime. And the people
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: out there that don't, yeah.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: Look, and you're a friend to truth too. You're not worried.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: You don't have an ego. You're not worried about ratings.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: You care about the truth. And that is the rarest thing.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: It's really rare.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Look, at my age, I'm more of a get off
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: the lawn kind of guy than let me get on
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: social media and type myself up. I am what I am.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: Everybody who listens to this podcast understands who I am
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: at this point. It's been four years, every single day,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: the same rants, the same shit, consistency. I am as
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: consistent as the sun, my friends.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: I love that about you.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: And look, will you give Carrie my love by the way,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: and tell her I had a clean scan, Bobby, a
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: clean scan.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, I definitely will. She's at, she's in the other
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: room right now, right behind this door, hanging out with
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: my pack of wild beasts.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's awesome. I'm going to go walk my little pack.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: Well, look, Maria, it is always a pleasure having you
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: on the show. Thank you so much for coming on.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I really enjoyed it.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: And obviously I look forward to having you come back
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: on very, very soon.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: I do too. Thank you.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Bye-bye. All right, Maria. Have a great day.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Bye.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: Bye.