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- Lucas: So we talk a lot on this show about boards that saved a brand or handled a crisis. But I want to talk about a board that built a culture — specifically, a risk culture. And the best example I can think of is JPMorgan Chase. Luna: JPMorgan — I mean, they've been the most valuable bank by market cap for a while now. As of June 2026, they're still sitting on top. But that didn't happen by accident. Lucas: No, it didn't. And a lot of the credit goes to how the board has structured itself around risk. Now, Jamie Dimon is obviously the public face — he's been CEO since 2006. But the board has played a really specific role in backing him while also putting in guardrails. Luna: Guardrails that other banks didn't have. I'm thinking of the London Whale incident in 2012 — that was a $6.2 billion trading loss from a single derivatives desk. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the fascinating part. JPMorgan actually had a better risk culture than most banks going into 2008 — they came out of the financial crisis relatively unscathed. But the London Whale showed that even a good culture can have blind spots. The board's response was telling. Luna: What did they do differently? Lucas: They didn't fire Dimon — though there was pressure from some shareholders to split the chairman and CEO roles. Instead, they conducted an internal review, clawed back compensation from the executives directly involved, and then — this is the key part — they restructured how the board itself oversees risk. Luna: So they changed the board, not just the management. Lucas: Right. They created a new position: a chief risk officer who reports directly to both the CEO and the board's risk committee. And they made sure the risk committee included people with real regulatory and risk expertise. Before 2012, the committee was mostly made up of former bankers and lawyers. After, they brought in people like Timothy Flynn, who had been a partner at KPMG and understood audit and risk from the inside. Luna: That's a concrete shift. And it's not just about the London Whale — they've been stress-tested repeatedly since then. Lucas: Exactly. The Federal Reserve's annual stress tests, the CCAR — JPMorgan has passed every single one since the tests began in 2011. In 2024, they were one of only two banks that didn't have to revise their capital plans after the Fed's initial objection. The board's risk culture is part of why. Luna: So the board is effectively institutionalizing risk awareness. But isn't there a danger that the board becomes too cautious? That they stifle growth? Lucas: That's the tension, isn't it? And JPMorgan's board has navigated it by what I'd call 'defensive growth.' They let Dimon pursue acquisitions — like the 2008 Bear Stearns and Washington Mutual deals, which were risky but ultimately brilliant. But they also set firm limits on how much risk the bank can take in any single area. Luna: Can you give me a specific example of a limit they set? Lucas: Sure. After the London Whale, the board imposed a cap on the size of the bank's synthetic credit portfolio — the very desk that caused the loss. They also mandated that any new complex derivative product had to be approved by both the risk committee and the full board. That slowed down innovation, but it also prevented another blow-up. Luna: So they traded some speed for safety. And the market rewarded them for it. Lucas: The market did. JPMorgan's price to earnings ratio has consistently traded at a premium to peers like Bank of America and Citigroup. Investors trust that the board isn't going to let the bank take a big, dumb risk. That trust is worth real money. Luna: I want to talk about the board's composition more broadly. How many members, and what's the mix? Lucas: As of 2026, the board has 12 members. Dimon is the only insider. The rest are outsiders, including several with deep regulatory and risk backgrounds. For example, there's Alicia Boler Davis, who ran Amazon's global logistics and now sits on the risk committee. There's Linda Bammann, a former senior regulator at the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency. And there's James Crown, a longtime member who chairs the risk committee. Luna: That's a very specific set of expertise. It's not just 'we need a diverse board' — it's 'we need people who understand risk at a granular level.' Lucas: Exactly. And the board meets frequently. The risk committee meets at least six times a year, and they can call special meetings if something flares up. During the 2023 regional banking crisis — when Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank failed — the JPMorgan board was meeting almost weekly. Luna: What were they discussing in those meetings? Lucas: They were reviewing the bank's exposure to commercial real estate, to uninsured deposits, to the specific sectors that were under stress. And they were asking management: 'What's our contingency plan if the Fed raises rates another 50 basis points? What if we see a run on regional banks?' They weren't just monitoring — they were pressure-testing management's assumptions. Luna: That's the kind of board oversight that doesn't make headlines but prevents disasters. Lucas: It's the opposite of what happened at Silicon Valley Bank, where the board had a former Disney CFO and a former Lockheed Martin CFO — perfectly capable people, but not deeply versed in the specific risks of a bank with a concentrated deposit base and a huge bond portfolio. Luna: So the lesson is: board composition should match the company's risk profile, not just a generic 'we need smart people.' Lucas: That's exactly it. And JPMorgan's board has been remarkably consistent in that philosophy. They've also been willing to let Dimon be Dimon — he's famously outspoken, he writes those long annual letters, he's a public figure. The board doesn't try to rein in his personality. But they do rein in the bank's risk-taking. Luna: Which brings us back to the Dimon succession question. Everyone's been asking for years: what happens when he leaves? And how is the board preparing? Lucas: The board has been preparing for over a decade. They've had a succession plan in place since at least 2014. They've groomed several internal candidates — like Daniel Pinto, who was president, and Marianne Lake, who runs consumer lending. The board meets with these executives regularly, separately from Dimon, to evaluate them. Luna: So the board is effectively building the next generation of leadership. Lucas: Yes. And they've been transparent about it — which is rare. In their 2025 proxy statement, they disclosed that the board reviews succession plans at least twice a year, and that they've conducted 'rigorous assessments' of multiple candidates. The market has rewarded that transparency. JPMorgan's stock didn't tank when Dimon mentioned retirement in 2024 the way some people feared. Luna: Because investors trust the board to make the right call. Lucas: Exactly. And that trust didn't come overnight. It was built over years, through the London Whale response, through the 2023 crisis, through consistent decisions that prioritized long-term stability over short-term gains. Luna: You know, this is one of those conversations that really makes you appreciate how much work goes into making a company boringly stable. And I think a lot of our listeners — especially those who work in business or finance — get real value from understanding that process. Lucas: I'm glad you said that, because you've actually reminded me of something. We keep these shows ad-free — no sponsors, no annoying mid-rolls. And that's only possible because of a small number of listeners who choose to support the show directly. Luna: Yeah. If these conversations have ever helped you think differently about a business problem or a career decision, that's exactly the kind of impact that makes it worth keeping the show independent. Lucas: So if you've gotten something out of Boardroom Conversations, you can support us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. A couple of dollars a month genuinely covers the hosting and production costs. It's that simple. Luna: And it keeps the show going without any outside pressure. So, back to JPMorgan's board — one thing I find interesting is how they handle the relationship with regulators. The board has to maintain a constructive relationship with the Fed while also advocating for the bank's interests. Lucas: That's a tightrope. JPMorgan's board includes Linda Bammann, who was a senior regulator, so she understands the regulatory mindset. The board also holds quarterly meetings with Fed officials — not just during stress tests, but regularly. They treat regulators as stakeholders, not adversaries. Luna: Which is smart, because the Fed has enormous power over the bank's capital distribution. If the board antagonizes the Fed, they could face higher capital requirements or restrictions on dividends and buybacks. Lucas: Exactly. And JPMorgan has been a leader in implementing Basel III standards ahead of schedule. The board pushed management to build a capital cushion well above the regulatory minimum. As of early 2026, JPMorgan's common equity Tier 1 ratio was around 13.5 percent — well above the 10 percent required for 'well-capitalized' status. Luna: So the board is basically saying: 'We're going to hold more capital than we need to, because it gives us flexibility and trust.' Lucas: Exactly. And that extra capital allowed them to acquire First Republic Bank in 2023, when the FDIC seized it. They paid $10.6 billion — a lot of money, but they could do it without diluting shareholders or raising debt, because they had the capital. Luna: That acquisition was a perfect example of defensive growth. They took a calculated risk — integrating a struggling regional bank — but they had the balance sheet to absorb it. Lucas: And the board was deeply involved. They had to approve the acquisition, and they spent weeks reviewing the due diligence. They didn't just rubber-stamp it. They asked tough questions about First Republic's loan book, especially the commercial real estate exposure. Luna: Which turned out to be prescient, because commercial real estate has been under pressure in 2025 and 2026. Lucas: Right. Office vacancy rates in major cities are still elevated post-pandemic. JPMorgan's board made sure the bank didn't take on too much of that risk. They capped the amount of commercial real estate loans from First Republic that they would retain, and they sold off some portfolios quickly. Luna: So the board's risk culture isn't just about preventing losses — it's about being strategic about which risks to take. Lucas: That's the nuance. Every business takes risks. The question is whether you understand the risks you're taking and whether you have the culture to manage them. JPMorgan's board has built that culture over two decades. Luna: I think the takeaway for our listeners is: if you're on a board, or if you're advising a board, the single most important thing you can do is get the risk governance structure right. Not just the policies, but the people and the processes. Lucas: And the willingness to learn from your own mistakes. The London Whale was a painful lesson, but JPMorgan's board treated it as a learning opportunity, not just a scandal to be managed. That's rare. Luna: Alright, I think we've covered a lot of ground. Next time, maybe we look at a board that didn't get it right — and what we can learn from that failure. Lucas: That sounds like a great episode. Thanks for listening, everyone.