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K-drama Hot Takes - Part 2 / Ep. 91 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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I'm Jessica and this is Teba Kia Rambles, where a couple of
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friends review Korean dramas. Except we're back to talk more
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crap about K Drama Land because this is Part 2 of the Hot Take
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series where we have, well, I have collected so many hot takes
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from this viral TikTok that I posted several months ago.
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And me and Carol, my special guest Carol from K Drama Musings
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podcast have a long ways to go yet.
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So, Carol, Are you ready to continue on this journey?
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patrons. OK, so we're going to get into
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right into Part 2 right now. Next up, we have a drama on the
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chopping block. Isabel said Goblin is overhyped.
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The age gap between Kung Yu and King Goon was hard for me to
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look past PXZ, says Goblin. It's overrated.
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The second lead couple, it was only the good thing.
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What do you mean? A 300 years or so man felt in
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love with an underage girl at first sight.
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Da da da. I'm not listen.
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I will never defend Goblin in public.
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That show was 1. I see you looking around, you're
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like finding the words. I'm finding the words because
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goblin. How do I explain it?
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I agree that the age gap was problematic but I not but and I
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don't see people doing that with 2521 the same way they do it
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with goblin. I get it 300 years old.
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All all these things my saying. I heard people bitching about
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2521 as well, but oh really? Oh yeah, that's 'cause I did
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another so costly stirring shit on TikTok.
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I did another trend with, you know, the Kendrick song that was
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the Drake diss track that says. Yes.
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It's probably a minor like that of the song.
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People were putting perceived pedophiles and real pedophiles
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in pop culture up next to this song.
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Like putting the song over top of the photo of the person or
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whatever. And I did that for both.
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Goblin and Namji hooks character in 2521 and Oh my God, I'll tell
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you which one went further. The 2521 video, that one got
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people so riled up. And again, it's four years to
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me, I'm like it's four year like it's not.
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I don't think you guys understand like life I guess if
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if. And hidden love.
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Oh yeah, and Hidden Love, having a crush on somebody older than
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you. Like, you just don't get it
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then. So 2521, I did it as a joke,
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right? Because I knew that there was
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rumblings of this anyway. And again, it just proved to be
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not so funny to some people because they just were like,
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yeah, he's so icky. And it was not that serious.
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It was never that serious. Same for Goblin.
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It's not that serious. It was never that serious.
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I honestly feel like the people that just look at the numbers on
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relationships in Yeah a drama, they just kind of miss the whole
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thing. Like they miss the story, the
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context of the love story or the connection between these two
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characters, bar none. They just don't care to look at
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it that way. I have racked my brain.
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I have like done soul searching over the goblin in the 2521
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because they're the most prominent age gaps that people
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bitch about constantly. And I'm I've done so much social
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sharing. I'm like, maybe I'm wrong, maybe
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this and that and the other and I've rewatched and like no, it's
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not grooming. No, it's not grooming.
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Sorry to tell you this is not the correct definition of
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grooming that you have if you think this is grooming.
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This is why I'm just like, I'm not going to go back and forth
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with you on this because it's it's not it.
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And I just feel like people, let me let me just throw this out
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there. We are watching historical
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dramas. How old do you think that girl
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is when she's marrying the king? You like when when we're being
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very realistic about they're just like 50141560.
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Like what? What are we crying about?
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I don't know why people are throwing up, crying, sliding
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down the walls over Goblin and 2521 with those 28.
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I'm like first of all, and and first, second and third is
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Kingoon is 12 years younger than Kong Yu, but she was a fully
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consenting adult when she agreed to do this drama, which made her
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famous. Yes, which made her iconic.
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Today, she's still the Goblins ride to this day.
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Konyu again, just an unassailable icon who again
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minds his own business, barely comes out for any roles.
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The fact that he did Goblin was a huge fucking deal.
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Part of what made the lore so amazing on the release of this
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drama. To see people just reduce.
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It's so reductive to me to attack the age gap.
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Yeah, on the drama, I've I feel like I've already settled my
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piece on the actual Goblin deep Dive review that's on the
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podcast feed. But I mean, this is also par for
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the course for any YA lit Yeah that has some sort of a mortal
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being. Where was that energy with
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Twilight? Where?
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Like there was none of this energy when Twilight came out.
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Come on. I I just, yeah, I do feel like
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people were stuck and couldn't get past this age thing.
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And and that's only in recent. Years to me, right?
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Which is so weird. The PC police on this age gap
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stuff, I've never seen it before and there's some that are
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legitimately disgusting in film and television that people
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either have never watched because it's too old.
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They just don't know about it to rail about it.
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But I mean, this is not that bad.
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My my thing was because she was not a minor when she did the
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show, like you mentioned. I don't care.
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I don't care. It's the it's the story.
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We do have really old, you know, characters.
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It's the story. Can we just move on?
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There's just it's, there's so much nuance there that I'm like,
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you missed it. Yeah.
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And the urgency of like trying to save her and all this, it's
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like. And that is the only person who
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can free him off of his curse so.
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The paradox of him saving the mom and then the child that's
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born is his bride and all this stuff.
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The only person who can save him from this eternal life of
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loneliness. And I know, I mean honestly,
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like the whole thing gone over people's heads when they just
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look at the age gap. But that's OK, more for me.
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And literally how I feel. I'm like OK fine just stop
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bitching I hear you, I hear you enough.
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Daisy says save me with Takon in It is one of the best cinematic
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K drama thrillers I've ever seen.
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And as disturbing as it was, it was Oscar worthy.
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Takon is also an amazing actor. OK.
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I don't know about Tekian being an amazing actor.
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He's certainly fine, he's passable, but Save Me is crazy
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good. I don't know about Oscar worthy,
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but it is very good. It is a very good show.
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Yeah, I, I used to attend an abusive church that you could
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call a cult. And so this was very triggering
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to me to watch Save Me because it's about saving Soyaji's
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character from being in a cult, a religious cult.
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And let me tell you, they got a lot of stuff right.
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They got a lot of stuff right. It was very disturbing and off
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putting and all the things. So I could only watch it the one
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time, but very, very good show. Highly recommend OCN Drama.
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So that should be enough to tell you what's the vibe.
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Man I miss OCN. Dude, I thought OCN was going
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back. I thought it was getting
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resurrected. Is it?
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I thought. Because the socials were like
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active again and I was like wait is OCN back?
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They made some good TV. They made some bangers OK.
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Reyna says Songkang is overrated.
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There I said it. I responded directly to this
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person and said his eyes are like a void doll.
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Eyes. Nothing there.
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That's how I feel about. OK OK, so many people talking
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about Song Kang. Someone else said right when I
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said my demon is so boring it's because of his acting.
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Now on the flip side, someone said Song Kang is one of the
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best and most versatile actors but no one really cares about
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him anymore because of his enlistment.
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And I choked on my coffee. Choked on my coffee, Carol, I
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see you cover your face and just like looking back, stunned.
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What do you have to say about this person who thinks that Song
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Kong is one of the best and most versatile actors, and he's only
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gone from public consciousness because of his enlistment?
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I think we're watering down language too much.
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Versatile. I just come on people, let's
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let's get it. What are you talking about?
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Songkong versatile in the same sentence?
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You're out of your mind. That's.
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What you're talking about when you're talking?
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No, I agree with you. I do not watch Songkong dramas.
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It it just anytime I watch it I drop it.
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But more importantly, you're talking about enlistment.
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Ido Yang just went and came back and we never missed him, so
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that's not what it means. His enlistment has nothing to do
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with it. The guy can't act.
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He can't. Act no, no, his best work is
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Navilera and that has nothing at all to do with him.
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That's just story that's he's paired with a veteran actor and
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like I said with BAE Susie, he's kind of got a 1 trick pony thing
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too. Yes, and I'd like to see both of
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them in a drama. Oh God, God forbid.
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So someone followed it up on that one is home.
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They glazed on kind of like crazy with that comment that I
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read. But the follow up someone named
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Gigi said wait, OK, see my foul take is that he's not versatile.
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He plays the same character in every show.
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Then some other people and I don't know if it was that
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original commenter but other people started hyping up song
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kind and saying like oh really? The same character in Sweet
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Home, same character in Novelera, some character in this
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and that in the other and Gigi was like OK exactly how are they
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different? Genuinely he's monotonous, dark,
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bland and very standoffish in every drama.
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Those you listed, same character in everyone and I'm like Gigi,
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yes. Gigi.
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Has it? Yes yeah.
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Jin says Songkang and Chao Nu have no charms in acting so Chao
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Nu has entered the chat. OK Chao Nu, I have also gotten
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in trouble over my thoughts on Chao Nu.
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I always get in trouble on TikTok.
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So I got in trouble because if I said he can't act like straight
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up and I know you feel the same way and what else do we have to
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say about? Tono, there's nothing else to
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say. I think that whoever is backing
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him and that, you know, the industry wanting a pretty face
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and whatnot, you know, they're doing their thing.
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I really, I want to be empathetic and say I think Chong
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Wu, I was watching him in some Butler show or a masters show
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with with the guy who broke up with his family recently,
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Isungi, he was in a variety show.
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With him not Isungi broke up with his family.
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You mean cut ties with his in laws?
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Because the in laws are literal swindlers.
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Oh my God. Famous swindlers.
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Don't even. He must be getting so much Flack
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for marrying into that family. I mean.
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Yo his career. Yeah, his career had to have
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tanked at least a little bit for him to say, come out publicly
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and say, Oh yeah, I've cut ties with my in laws.
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Not like just a little bit. He was gone.
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No one was giving him an opportunity anymore.
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And it like, I don't want to. I love him so much.
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I've loved him since he debuted so I've been following his
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whatever we can talk about him another time.
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But he child rule was on there and he was crying and this is my
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empathetic side coming out because he's just like I haven't
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experienced life. I haven't really done anything
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except to be a trainee and be AK pop star.
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And in that moment and I was like, yeah, that is one of the
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reasons that I have issues with your acting because you you
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don't. Yeah, not what a, you know, not
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a punk, but like I just. Mean like you're you're you're a
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jit man. Like you have no life
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experience. You've never rubbed elbows with
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the common person so. No.
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And you don't have any life experience to fall back on,
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which is, you know, you could say that for a lot of K pop
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idols, they're sort of arrested in this moment of whatever stage
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they entered into K pop OK. And they and they don't really
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get an opportunity to grow as a human and and, you know, be
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empathetic and and, you know, there's a lot going on there.
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There's a lot going on there, But then you still can't act
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acting you. Know, I mean you can.
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The thing is, acting is make believe, right?
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So even if you've never experienced whatever it is
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you're portraying, you can still pull from something.
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You can still hack it to. But what I'm saying act like.
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But what I'm saying he has nothing.
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And there's nothing. And that's the issue that I have
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with Chao Anu. And that's the issue that a lot
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of people have with Chao Anu is that he's so beautiful.
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Like he's so nice. Like I have no issues with him.
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I wish him nothing but the best. But also don't put him in
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something that has a plot because I don't believe him.
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He sucks and a lot of people were agreeing and commenting
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under this June comment. Someone else said yeah they just
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served face card. Someone defending Songkong.
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Give Songkong some grace. He is trying.
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Being new in the industry and all the chaos in the industry.
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Chao Nu has no acting skills whatsoever.
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And so a glazing Songkong and completely agreeing about Chao
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Nu. Someone says responding to that
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person. Not when it's the other way
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around. It's Song Kang who has zero
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acting skills and Chow Anu can act I wrong and wrong and wrong.
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I'm like sweating because it's just.
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But you know what it is too? What is?
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I feel like you start seeing people's age.
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Sorry when? Yes.
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It's just there's a certain I'm just not fucking with them.
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I'm just like, I'm too old for this, yeah.
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So many comments about my demon sucks.
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I don't know why everybody likes it.
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I don't not like Song Kong. Any drama he's in I don't want
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to watch. Chow Anu cannot act please in
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all caps. Any K drama with Chao Nu or Sung
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Kong all feel bland. Their acting is bland.
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True Beauty was a hard watch for me.
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Hung in the Oops saved it. Any romantic K drama with Sung
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Kong all feel bland, no emotion. Oh God it's just so Chao Nu and
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Rookie Historian was literally so good.
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I haven't seen his modern K dramas, but the part where he's
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on his knees crying to his father had my boyfriend tearing
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up, too. Yeah, that's his best role is to
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me, it's a rookie historian, Gujar Young.
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And again, if if he had any tricks up his sleeve, those were
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all of them in that show and paired with a better, you know,
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female lead constructed show. Maybe, I don't know.
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But that's the best thing he's put out.
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The poor guy is only 28 years old and he keeps trying.
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He he keeps trying Island Wonderful World and a slew of
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variety show appearances that get people to feel like you do
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Carol to feel sympathetic toward him and whatever plate he thinks
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he has. The solution is so simple to me.
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Stop acting and just be a model. For real be be.
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That is going to pay your bills. You know what he needs to be
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Isuhiyok. Isuhiyok back around again.
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Be the face where Isuhiya kiss the voice like that, that kind
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of stream where you come a few times.
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But then I feel like they're shoving him down my throat and I
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just, I'm not buying it. Oh, Bina from Bina Heart Hearts
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loves childhood. I know.
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She's probably going to be like, what are you guys talking about?
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Dude, I know her ears must be ringing right now.
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Yeah, Bina was on the True Beauty episode review if you
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want to hear a semi deep dive on that.
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Bina was so gracious to join me for that one.
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And yeah, I had to tread very carefully because I knew that
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she had a soft spot for Chao Nu. I did not go full send on Chao
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Nu on that episode like I probably could have, but he's
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here now getting completely flamed in the comments section
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and by us yours truly. Dos says all those oppas who are
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famous despite their mediocre acting.
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Those high salaries should be going to Kim Teri, Kim Goen, and
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Shin Heson again. They're versatile, truly know
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how to act in all caps. Pay disparity 100% yes, the
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women. The women need more money and
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they deserve more money now. Shin Hai San in the same
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sentence as Kim Terry and Kim go.
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I don't know, I don't know about.
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That touch grass. Wendy Pakshinei being considered
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the most beautiful Korean actress is extremely overrated
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in my opinion. Koi Fish.
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The hate towards Pakshinei is so forced.
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There's a lot of other actresses who cries in every drama and
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cannot kiss to save their lives. Kalisha Bronner still haven't
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seen airs because I can't stand Pakshinei someone said.
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I think she doesn't really suit the romance genre and her
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thriller slash horror roles are very good, for example The Call,
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Alive etcetera. Completely agree.
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Completely agree with that sub comment.
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I don't think she excels at romance.
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And another person says that she can't kiss because she's famous
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for her fish kisses from back in the day.
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The ones were like her eye, her eyes are wide open and it's
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she's got a closed mouth kiss type of deal.
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She's surprised that this even happened to her.
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That's that's a fish kiss. A lot of K dramas have fish
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kisses, especially the older ones.
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But Pakshine is very famous for hers.
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And yeah, I will say that not knowing how to kiss and not
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being allowed to kiss a certain way, directed to kiss a certain
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way. These are all very different
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things. I want to give her a little
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grace on the fish kisses because she, I, I consider her a victim,
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right? It takes a lot to produce AK
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drama. It's not just the actors
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deciding unilaterally how to portray a kissing or how to do
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it. What angles they're going to be
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shot at and all the rest. That is decided by the director
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of the DP, director of photography, slash
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cinematographer. All of these people are
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directing them how to do it, what does the script say, what
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have you. And to me she's a victim of the
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times because that was the prevalent thing in K dramas was
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to have these fish kisses. And I feel like she knows that
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we in the zeitgeist, she's a bad kisser.
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I Yeah, I I'm just thinking about all her kiss scenes and
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the times where she gave me something.
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I am not sure it was entirely her choice.
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Like I remember some controversy with the heirs and her kissing
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in the closet and her having like no idea was coming or
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something like. That.
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Yeah. And then there's the kiss in
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Doctors with like no one talked about the age gap in that one,
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but that man is like he old. He is older or he was way much
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older than hair and Doctors, but that was a kiss that I was like,
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oh, SHINee, you can do more. And then Pinocchio with each and
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suck. They had this middle of the
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street kiss and I was like, whoa, OK, that's that's
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different. So you can do it.
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But it made me feel like she's choosing not to do it.
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But more importantly, I don't think bromance is for her.
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I agree, moving on, a lot of people love Nam Jihuk.
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I want Nam Jihuk and everything. I watch K dramas with him in it
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because I know it'll be fire Sabrina with 3A's at the end
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again. You're going to get sick of
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Namji hook. The the key here is like over
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consumption of this one actor. Actress.
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Yeah, I I'm not sure that having them in two to three dramas a
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year is going to fix your your thing Like, you know what I'm
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saying. Is that going to benefit them or
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you? I don't know.
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I think it's going to be a situation like Anne Hathaway
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where everybody loved her. She was a new, New Girl on the
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Block, Princess Diaries, Devil Wears Prada.
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She did a lot of great things and then she started having a
25:40
few misses, but she was saturating the market.
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There was a lot of her everywhere, whether it was media
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for a movie or whether she was actually in a new release.
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And people started fucking hating Anne Hathaway.
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And there was nothing like for no reason at all.
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So. Yeah, so I'm just like, Anne, do
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your thing, like do the shows you want to do, and if you're
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getting the opportunities, you're getting the
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opportunities. I don't really watch her but.
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You're like, I have no skin in the game for Anne Hathaway, but
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EJ and is such an underrated actor.
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His range is awesome. Yeah, yeah, we've gone over
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that. Kimui M says Konga Noel's acting
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and face card are way better than the high profile K actors.
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OK, Queen pop off by Konga. Noel, you're shocked.
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Carol, you're shocked. Do you have thoughts on Kanga?
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No, no, OK. No, maybe you have thoughts on
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this one? Xenu X says Queen of Tears is a
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so so drama. Only get hyped because of the
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leaves. Couldn't have tears with shit.
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Let's move. On move on Mika PAC Mignon can't
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act. Wow.
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Whoa. Levi Ackerman puck mignon like
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City Hunter, puck mignon like Sun Kyun Kwan scandal puck
26:54
mignon. I get that she's not versatile
26:56
but can't act is wild. I agree with this person.
27:02
Yeah, Tellery Firch, Knifehane said.
27:06
Like healer Puck Mignon, which is better than City Hunter, by
27:09
the way. Also, her acting in Mary, My
27:11
Husband is excellent. Yeah.
27:13
A lot of people came out of the woodworks to defend Pak Mium
27:16
because I don't think that she cannot act.
27:20
She can totally act. It's just she's got very
27:22
comfortable playing a certain kind of character A. 100% and
27:26
and I, I'd even put it out there like I don't think she's getting
27:32
the shows because I watched a was it, I watched a podcast with
27:40
I'm John Wah and then I watched Songhigyo's one of her vlogs and
27:46
she said I haven't been no one gives me all that other stuff.
27:51
Like they only give me this and I want to do other things.
27:56
And I've been, I've been pigeonholed, and even I know my
27:59
fans are sick of me playing the same role over and over again.
28:03
So for Park Ming Young, I feel like maybe those are the only
28:07
things she's getting. And now after marrying my
28:10
husband, I'm hoping she gets more.
28:14
I agree. Yeah.
28:15
A lot of actors have come out and said that.
28:18
Oh, my God, what was the actor that he was like?
28:19
I don't get those kind of scripts, but I would love to do,
28:22
like a ROM com or something like that.
28:23
And I was like, oh, my God. From your lips to God's ears
28:26
there, you hit a rock. You throw an actor who has gone
28:29
on record as saying, I would love to do some sort of genre
28:32
shifting movie, something that's out of the wheelhouse.
28:36
Yeah. But they just don't get those
28:37
scripts. Exactly.
28:39
Yeah. So are we to blame because we
28:41
keep watching the same shit over and over again?
28:43
Should we make her flap so that she will change gears and maybe
28:47
she'll get something else? Like I don't know what the right
28:50
answer is, but you know, it is a vicious cycle here.
28:55
IDKIDK says Han Zoe is not all that.
28:59
She's not. Someone says 100% she is
29:02
gorgeous but I get mean girl vibes.
29:04
Plus I don't like her acting. Feels like a forest industry
29:06
plant. Oh, some people got some nice
29:10
vocab here with an industry plant.
29:14
OK, calling her an industry plant.
29:15
Hannah says. Han Zoey pissed me off so bad,
29:18
bro, she cannot act whatsoever. Han Zoey seems to bother a lot
29:23
of people. I go about my day never thinking
29:26
about Han Zoey. So what do you think about Han
29:30
Zoey from World of the Married? My name nevertheless.
29:36
I really liked her in world of the Married.
29:39
She was, oh, she got under my skin.
29:43
So that tells me she did a fantastic job.
29:46
I think that she could have easily been the next song Hey
29:51
Gio in terms of how the industry treated her, But I don't think
29:59
she wanted that. And like sis is going through a
30:03
lot like her mom, her mom just got arrested yet again or
30:08
charged again for gambling, hosting many gambling spots and
30:14
stuff like that. She she hasn't had an easy life.
30:18
So I ain't got nothing bad to say about her.
30:24
I just want her to find her spot because I think people are
30:28
playing with her right now. All right, Next up, Ji Cheng
30:34
Wuk, Someone said. Ji Cheng Wu was the most
30:37
versatile actor I've ever seen. Every role he gets, he nails.
30:41
No matter what how bad the movie is, he always gets the job done.
30:47
This versatile, OK. So I'm more interested in the
30:52
second comment. Salma says Ji Cheng Wuk had more
30:56
chemistry with the stepmother in the K2. 100 percent, 110%.
31:01
Yes, he did. Yes, he did.
31:02
And we did a deep dive on the K2 really far back in season 1 of
31:07
Tabak. And we discussed this because,
31:11
yeah, what? Yuna had no game whatsoever
31:16
compared to the stepmom. Yeah, I agree.
31:19
Like, come on, Dub Dr. says you are in is the best, the absolute
31:24
best actor in his peer group. And I don't care about his
31:27
scandal. Also, BL/GL should be treated
31:30
better than last ditch efforts for Idle Slash newbies to get
31:34
popular. I think it's been phenomenal or
31:41
fantastic that we have come to a point where BLS and GLS are
31:46
being consistently produced in K Drama land because again,
31:52
generationally we never really had that.
31:54
You are in is a really good actor.
32:00
I also don't care about his scandal, care in the sense that
32:09
how do I say he was sick? He was sick, Yeah.
32:14
And I'm more empathetic to substance abuse.
32:20
Yeah, I care if he's well or not, if he's in good health or
32:24
not, if he's addicted or not, but I don't think we should
32:28
penalize him as far as cancelling him and, you know,
32:32
removing him from projects where he's already filmed, you know,
32:36
the whole thing, that's crazy talk.
32:38
I think that's ridiculous. So that's how I feel about UI
32:41
and moving on. CC said not every K drama needs
32:45
a tragic childhood back story of kidnapping or parental
32:49
abandonment. Yeah, but that's where the
32:52
story. Is that's I agree it's.
32:57
Like the sauces? That's where the sauce is.
33:00
Yeah, I agree to a point. And maybe like, we can get into
33:04
more tropes because a lot of people had thoughts about
33:06
tropes. So this section, I guess, is the
33:08
trope section. Kate Baria says can we please
33:12
erase all unnecessary misunderstandings Like y'all are
33:15
adults talk to each other. Talk to each other.
33:20
Karina, who I'm assuming is of Korean descent, says Oh well,
33:25
that's a Korean mother-in-law because someone else was talking
33:28
about their mother-in-law and their mother-in-law communicates
33:31
and she's Korean and she says, Oh well, that's your mother.
33:33
That's a mother-in-law. But acquaintances, colleagues
33:36
and friends tend to rely on nunchi a lot and expect you to
33:39
know how to act. Then don't confront you to save
33:43
face and someone else. What the hell is Nunji?
33:46
Basically and Karina says I'll try my best.
33:48
Nunji translates to the ability to understand people's needs,
33:52
such mood as we witness them and acting according to it.
33:55
This includes body language, facial expressions and tone.
33:58
She follows it up as saying some of it makes sense for us but
34:01
sometimes Nunji is heavily culturally coded, IE when social
34:05
hierarchies come into play and you're not supposed to look at
34:07
someone a certain way. I'm sure that 100% plays into
34:13
the lack of communication we see from characters is because XYZ
34:18
should know. Yes.
34:20
They should understand. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
34:24
I think Munchi is such a I'm watching this dating show called
34:29
Heart Pairing right now and you see the character, not
34:33
characters, they're Jesus, they're people dating and you'll
34:39
see them like look at each other and they're just nodding.
34:44
And I'm like, that's a whole conversation that's just
34:46
happening. For sure, for sure.
34:50
Yeah, I think that Karina's totally correct.
34:53
We are watching a Korean drama or a drama from XYZ country.
34:58
Fill in the blank country and there's stuff that gets lost in
35:03
translation. And Ninchi is one of those
35:05
things that perhaps the characters are expected to know
35:10
more than they do, or assume more than they do.
35:15
Yeah. NIA says I hate when romance K
35:18
drama suddenly have two main leads secretly know each other
35:20
in the past. Another childhood connection
35:22
complaint. Like can they just speak
35:25
strangers who fell in love without some traumatic childhood
35:28
bond? And yes, I 100% agree with this.
35:31
I I do subscribe to this complaint.
35:34
Jam replies. It's more a trope to Western
35:37
standards, but in Eastern media there's a prevalent Buddhist
35:40
belief of inion in which it takes 1000 karmic Thais to meet
35:44
even once in a life. To meet more than once is fate.
35:48
The trope ends up being a lot more meaningful with this
35:50
context, which might be why it's so popular in Eastern media.
35:52
Yeah, Faded Mates is always going to be an interesting touch
35:58
point that a lot of writers and K dramas seem to dip into that.
36:05
Well, someone said Mikorasan said thank you.
36:09
My goodness, I've said this so many times.
36:11
So if they didn't have a traumatic childhood bond, their
36:13
connection isn't genuine. I don't get it with that type of
36:16
storyline every effing time. So this person agrees with the
36:20
original commenter in that what the hell is up with this
36:23
childhood connection shit? Or or, you know, shared trauma
36:27
thing. Yeah, and someone was mad and
36:30
said you can watch another trope exclamation point.
36:33
And it's like if it were so easy because it sometimes rears its
36:37
ugly head midway through a drama, several episodes into a
36:41
drama. You just have no idea.
36:44
Even in the marketing, it might not be sold to you as a faded
36:47
mates or shared past trauma or what have you.
36:51
That's like for you to find out. That's true.
36:55
I don't agree with just like watch another trope.
36:57
It's like OK if only K drama is in genre mix to begin with then
37:02
I could pick up something else so easily.
37:05
But yeah that's not helpful at all.
37:09
Someone said. I feel like this is done all so
37:10
often because whoever is writing the story can't find a valid
37:13
reason why the two characters should like each other and can
37:16
easily bypass that aspect of a romance.
37:22
It could be, but I also think that when we're watching Korean
37:30
media and you're also that includes variety shows and all
37:34
these dating shows and whatnot, you notice that they're not very
37:41
out there. Like they don't just go out and
37:44
meet people. You sort of have to be
37:47
introduced to someone through someone and it's more likely
37:52
that you will connect. I'm not saying they don't meet
37:56
people out of the blue, but it's more likely that you will
37:58
connect with someone through 6° of separation or or something
38:04
like that. So I I feel like culturally.
38:09
You want to know where someone came from, you want to know
38:12
their history, you want to know their family.
38:16
And that's to me that stems from the Confucian, deep rooted
38:21
Confucianism in the society where you can even see that play
38:26
out with orphan stories because orphans are such an unknown.
38:33
Yeah, yeah. You have no idea where they came
38:36
from. Their father could be a serial
38:37
killer. You just don't know the roots.
38:40
If you don't know their parents, you know they're not.
38:43
Trustworthy. That's true.
38:46
That's true. And I'm not sure if it's only
38:50
Confucian because even in, in Ghana, I find it's just so
38:57
interesting. But I find myself when I meet
39:01
Ghanaians here, one of the things we connect on is, oh,
39:05
what school did you go to? And if they say the school,
39:11
especially high school, because most of our 95% of our high
39:16
schools are boarding schools. So you immediately, it's almost
39:20
like an MBTI where you're like, oh, you went to that school.
39:24
Oh, that means you do the and then you you're like, where did
39:29
you go to middle school? And then you start asking about
39:34
what church did you go to? Immediately you're able to tell
39:38
is this person? Yeah.
39:41
Yeah. So I think culturally that's
39:44
just some of that. Yeah, Cat says, how is there
39:48
always a childhood connection? And someone says, I think
39:50
because of the glorification of first loves and absolutely that
39:53
is also. I'm so sick of first love.
39:58
Mariam says bring back 1216 and 20 episode K dramas.
40:01
No, I don't want a second season. 100%. 100% screaming
40:07
from the rooftops. I agree with Mariam Ace reject
40:11
again. We need more mature romances
40:14
like not everyone needs to meet there forever in school slash
40:17
college. We need more divorcee single
40:19
parents over 30s romances etcetera.
40:21
Yes, 100% agree. And that's why I gave my 2007
40:26
recommendations. Go check them out.
40:29
Because 2007 gave us variety. That's what I'm saying.
40:34
Yeah, I hate how drinking is used as a plot device to
40:37
initiate a kiss and then no one remembers the kiss. 2 dramas
40:41
this year alone have already done this.
40:43
I don't know what they are, but yes, that is a device that they
40:49
used to just try and break the ice, get people closer together.
40:53
And it's comedy when one remembers the kiss and the other
40:56
one doesn't, or they both don't remember.
40:58
And there's a lot of hijinks that happened at this.
41:02
There's a huge drinking culture in Korea.
41:04
Huge. I don't think drinking is going
41:07
away anytime soon in dramas. So I wonder how much of this is
41:14
hyperbole, Leah, We cannot keep doing the rich man poor girl
41:19
plots and acting like they're actually good.
41:26
What do you? Think what do you think?
41:28
I'm conflicted. Yeah, I think I'm over chavels,
41:35
but not over a rich man, poor girl, or even a wealth
41:39
disparity. Can we get more iterations on
41:41
the trope? You know what I'm saying?
41:43
Yes, yes, I need more rich girl, poor guy.
41:46
I need different parts of the relationship.
41:51
Can we get the the marriage like crafting a wedding or, you know,
41:55
between this cup, I can get 12 episodes on just wedding
41:59
planning between a couple that has some sort of wealth
42:02
disparity. I'm totally down for that.
42:04
And whatever hygiene or comedy comes out of that, or maybe they
42:08
break up and then they get back together because it's totally, I
42:11
see it's totally valid to plan an almighty wedding with a
42:14
wealth disparity between a couple.
42:16
And a lot of cracks form in that, you know, between the
42:21
couple and they break up. You know, I, I totally see that
42:24
happening. There's so many ways that you
42:26
can go about doing a wealth disparity couple.
42:31
Yeah. How do you feel about?
42:35
Well, they almost had a wealth disparity couple, but turns out
42:39
he had a secret dad who's super rich.
42:42
No Gain? No.
42:43
Love. Oh yeah, no gain, no love.
42:46
So I liked it better when he was not a secret tribal.
42:51
Yeah. Way better.
42:53
I agree with you. When it was revealed I was like
42:55
oh damn they got me with a freaking birth secret once
43:00
again. But I don't know.
43:04
I don't know if I want to see rich women, poor guy, just
43:08
because of the toxic masculinity and the insecure.
43:13
I'd love to explore that in a very mature way and it could be
43:18
very comedic. And I think we do need more
43:21
representation of that because just looking at the world make
43:26
up and at least in the West, you know, women are getting more
43:30
educated and going to college more than men and and all these
43:36
things. So I think it can be explored in
43:39
a very mature way. And to add to that, I have seen
43:45
variety shows where the woman is earning more and the guy is at
43:50
home. And let me tell you, that guy at
43:52
home, wait for yes. No, no, no, no, no.
43:59
Just it's they're horrible. OK, no, well here's what I so
44:04
here's AK drama idea that I floated around on one of the hot
44:07
takes episodes recently on the Patreon feed was why can't we
44:12
get two different levels or states of being rich?
44:16
You know, why can't we have an heiress marrying like a tech bro
44:22
who just sold a startup and he just came into money Like last
44:26
week he was eating ramen. Just a totally different way of
44:30
life trying to get this startup we have out and and all this
44:35
stuff. And then he sells it and comes
44:37
into like a great mass of money. And now he's like caught the
44:42
attention of this heiress. Maybe they meet a couple of
44:44
times when he's poor or poorer, they fall in love and now he's
44:50
like trying to understand how she lives and she spends money
44:54
like water and he's still pretty frugal.
44:57
And so like, this kind of wealth disparity is cool.
45:03
And then your second couple can be a sister, also sister to the
45:07
heiress who's already married, who now has a waste man husband
45:14
because he's gotten used to the good life.
45:17
Yes, yes. OK.
45:19
That's a really good idea. You know what I'm saying?
45:21
Like where's the iterate? Come on, give me something else.
45:25
There is a drama that is not quite that.
45:30
It is called Opio Song. And it was like, it's a really,
45:36
I want to say 2000 and two, 2004 maybe.
45:40
And he was a fishmonger in the market and turns out that he's
45:46
actually an heir. So he comes into this money and,
45:51
you know, they are training him to be a chaebol.
45:53
And it was hilarious. And he falls in love with this
45:58
woman from his past and she's not rich.
46:02
And now they're trying to navigate this.
46:05
I'm super rich now, but I just want to be with you and don't
46:10
look at my riches. And it was a really good show.
46:13
So I I'd recommend that too, yeah.
46:16
Nice, I like that. I like that concept Mayura and
46:20
says the Double Judge should have gotten the hype that
46:22
Vincenzo got. It was actually as dark as it
46:25
was marketed. Vincenzo ended up being more
46:28
funny than dark and had well written female characters.
46:31
So I have not watched the double judge.
46:34
I think you might have. Devil judge devil oh with G song
46:38
with. G song, yeah.
46:40
Yes, I loved it and at the same time it was too much.
46:46
Oh, OK. Alright, I don't.
46:48
I don't know how to explain that.
46:51
I don't think it was dark as it was marketed, which is true.
46:56
Vincenzo ended up getting more funny.
46:59
Yeah, it wasn't. Vincenzo was hilarious compared
47:03
to Devil Judge. Devil Judge, Yeah.
47:07
Sounds intense. Yeah, it sounds intense.
47:10
There is a big deep dive on Vincenzo on the podcast feed if
47:13
you want to go back and listen to it.
47:15
I wanted the darker tone. That's my hot take, is that I
47:19
wanted the darker tone. I did not appreciate the
47:22
watering down of the mafia culture and the violence.
47:27
I wanted it. That's what I was promised in
47:29
the first couple of episodes. Yeah, I agree.
47:33
And then they come back and it's pure slapstick K drama.
47:37
I just had a heart take that. Oh, my God.
47:41
But I'm gonna say it because I I spoke to Swoon Diaries about it
47:45
this week. Speaking of Vincenzo, John.
47:48
Yo, Ben. Yeah.
47:50
If she's not acting depressed, she can't act.
47:53
Oh. So she's a female leading
47:58
Vincenzo. My follow up to that is that I
48:01
don't think her and Song Yun Ki had any chemistry.
48:05
They had 0. They did not have good.
48:08
Chemistry. I thought they were better as
48:10
platonic friends or workmates. Yeah, it felt like a someday and
48:15
his junior. Yeah, like they were buddies,
48:18
not romantic interests. Yeah, yeah, I I haven't watched
48:23
enough Tonio Bin to know for sure if I agree with you about
48:27
the depressed thing, but that is funny.
48:30
The movie Our movie is coming out soon with non Gunman.
48:36
That's why I said 'cause swoon Diary posted it and I was like,
48:41
Nam Gumina's so fine. I'd love to watch this but I
48:45
can't watch this girl depressed again.
48:47
Like I'm so tired of watching her depressed.
48:50
Tiring. It's tiring, but that's what she
48:53
excels in, and I'm not sure if I'm gonna watch the drama
48:57
because of that. Yeah.
49:01
OK, Domino 7 seven said Most popular new Gen. romance dramas
49:06
Everyone loves Queen of Tears, Lovely Runner.
49:08
My Demons are so boring I never get the hype.
49:12
Lovely runner was lovely runner reminds me of Extraordinary You.
49:18
And I think that's the magic with the female character, like
49:23
the female actress, she just has this love ability about her.
49:29
OK, but the other two I agree. OK war and Talk, a lot of these
49:35
dramas leads don't deserve love, but if there isn't a happy
49:38
ending I'm not watching your show.
49:42
The fucking nerve of this person.
49:43
So a lot of these drama leads don't deserve love, but if there
49:49
isn't a happy ending, I'm not watching your show.
49:53
That's a trash take. That's a horrible take.
49:55
That's foul. Yeah, foul ABCDEFGI gotta go
50:03
says hello my 20s season 1 is that coming of age series.
50:09
Nothing can come close to it. And I I remember replying going
50:12
yo, because nobody talks about hello my 20s.
50:17
I love that show, especially season 1.
50:20
I never got around to watching season 2, but season 1, Oh my
50:23
gosh. 100% yes loved it. Oh.
50:27
Love it. A pancake emoji.
50:30
I couldn't watch historical dramas.
50:33
It's just so boring. I also skip scenes in dramas
50:36
that show a glimpse of historical.
50:39
Wow, wow. Oh my God.
50:45
OK. That's I can't.
50:50
I can't get behind that at all. No.
50:52
Katima Harper says chemistry is not about which female lead
50:57
slash male lead is more attractive.
50:59
Everyone loves claiming that the female lead slash male lead has
51:02
more chemistry. Air quotes with the person that
51:05
is always conveniently more attractive.
51:08
I agree it's not a hot take. I I agree with.
51:13
Miss Harper, you're right. Yeah, like I don't think it's OK
51:20
not to be OK. I don't really buy their
51:22
chemistry. Oh, OK, another hot That's with
51:28
Kim Sukhyon and Hoyeji. Soyeji yeah, and I thought the
51:33
drama was shit, but. Oh my gosh gotta disagree with
51:37
that but that's OK. Matt singing unironically in any
51:42
drama makes takes the male lead from A7 to a zero.
51:47
Especially if it's a ballad. Matt, you're on it.
51:50
You're right on it. Man Can't Sing anymore.
51:55
Like what's going? On Dude, I cannot stand singing
51:59
in a drama unless it's ironic. What do you mean?
52:03
So you didn't like hospital playlist?
52:06
Oh, dude, Hospital Playlist is about that.
52:08
That's part of it, right? That's in the DNA of the show,
52:12
in the plot that they met when they were in middle school and
52:16
they started a band. Fine.
52:19
As as far as like singing it would be, it's someone's
52:23
birthday. The female leads birthday and
52:25
they're like, what do you want for your birthday?
52:27
And she goes, I want, I don't know, Jackson to sing for me.
52:32
And the male lead sings her a song like fuck off.
52:35
I hate it. I hate it.
52:37
I would never ask for somebody to sing for me.
52:39
And maybe it stems from the utter embarrassment that I feel
52:45
toward 1 of it. So I have a friend of mine who's
52:49
married and her husband sings in public every so often.
52:54
And it's not just any singing, it's opera operatic singing.
52:58
Oh oh. Listen to me.
53:02
I loathe it with the fire of 1000 Suns.
53:06
I think it's the most embarrassing thing.
53:07
They think he sounds so good. I'm like nobody requested that
53:13
you sing. He just randomly starts singing
53:17
yes. Like they'll be in an Italian
53:20
restaurant on a busy Friday night and he'll just stand up.
53:24
Oh my gosh. And I'm like, mortified.
53:28
Mortified. No.
53:30
No, no, no. I cannot stand that kind of
53:32
public singing. I don't care how good you sound.
53:34
Shut your trap, OK? It irks me to no end.
53:41
I believe in you Matt for giving me this hot take.
53:44
I complete completely agree. Ace reject again says it's 2025
53:50
why are we still getting dead fish kisses?
53:52
Also why are the couple getting together right at the end?
53:55
Hey, I don't know, that's just a formula.
53:59
It works. It works sometimes, it works
54:01
better than other times, and I can't watch older dramas because
54:05
of the guy's haircuts. You'll get over it.
54:09
I said valid but also it's a period piece at this point.
54:13
Yeah. Deal.
54:16
Deal with it. And and like I, I was saying in
54:21
my stories, maybe a week or so ago, even the fashion, I had
54:26
people say they can't go back to old dramas because of the
54:30
fashion. I'm like, sis, we're wearing the
54:32
same things now. Literally.
54:34
Like. Are you wearing a crop top right
54:36
now? Are you wearing raggy pants?
54:39
Do your flip flops have a platform on them?
54:42
Are you going back to your Caprice like your Capri pants
54:46
and huge belts? And just look at Cowboy Carter.
54:51
Dude, I saw people wearing Ed Hardy the other day.
54:54
Oh my, Oh my gosh, get the fuck out.
54:56
Of here like do not come to me about the fashion in the K
55:00
dramas. Y'all look goofy goofy. 100% So
55:07
I'm just like you can watch it. You can watch it, get over it.
55:10
So Bunny the plots aren't plotting anymore and it's always
55:13
the same tropes. I said nothing is original but
55:17
copying successful dramas hoping lightning will strike twice 3 *
55:21
10 times is why the plots aren't plotting anymore.
55:25
Because now I feel like if the drama is not a commercial
55:28
success, they stop making the dramas like that drama.
55:34
Yes. Whereas like during OCN days, as
55:39
soon as they put out a dark drama, everybody else is gonna
55:43
put out something very similar and all of a sudden we have all
55:47
these thrillers at the same time.
55:49
Yes, But I think what's happening now is unless this
55:55
thing is a web tune before and unless you're like Kim Unser who
56:02
wrote the Glory and things, you're you're gonna get a you're
56:06
gonna get a manhua adaptation. So it's already tried and true
56:14
in terms of it being a manhua success.
56:19
Everything now feels like an adaptation from a webtoon Which.
56:25
There were always manhua adaptations but I feel like now
56:29
there was always there is always still the battle every K drama
56:34
season to put out the first of something the first of a genre
56:39
at. For instance, if it's like a
56:40
vampire series from one network, you better fucking believe
56:44
Netflix is also going to put out a Netflix vampire K drama and
56:49
see who beats the other to the punch.
56:52
You know, the year that no Shin Heisen's drama with Anne Bohian,
56:58
who you got to give me props, I haven't mentioned yet, but that
57:04
year everything was a past life. Yes.
57:09
So annoying. I was so over it.
57:11
I was like another past life. Jesus Christ, what are we doing
57:14
here? Yeah.
57:15
So that's why there's trends like that, because they know
57:20
vaguely what each other is putting out.
57:23
And those, I'm thinking those scripts are shopped around
57:27
unless it's directly commissioned by TBN, you know,
57:30
KBS, whatever, the writer will probably take it to different
57:35
places and say I have this script or I'm writing this
57:38
thing, I have this idea, whatever, I've written this,
57:40
that and the other. What do you think?
57:42
Will you pay me to write this? And if they say no, but another
57:46
network picks it up, then they don't want to get caught with
57:50
their pants down. They develop a similar concept
57:53
and that's why you get, you know, seasons of K drama where
57:58
it's like people are falling in love with AI, people are falling
58:02
in love with robots, things like that all the time.
58:06
It's cyclical. And if it's successful, even
58:09
worse because then they'll keep doing it.
58:12
Exactly. Yeah.
58:13
Someone said I think Korea does action, thriller and horror K
58:16
dramas way better than romance and comedy K dramas.
58:19
And that's a take. That is a take.
58:22
That's a take. K dramas?
58:27
I think they do. Wow that is a take.
58:32
It makes me wanna ask them what is the body of work you've seen?
58:37
True action, thriller and horror K dramas.
58:41
Way better than romance and comedy K dramas.
58:44
This tells me. That's recent.
58:46
I feel like they're a recent K drama.
58:47
Watchers, that's that's what I was gonna say.
58:49
I was like this, tells me. You started watching in 2020,
58:52
year later. Or later.
58:55
I was going to say, you definitely came after Chloe.
58:58
Yeah. Because after Chloe, I can't say
59:02
there's been really a Yeah, OK. Yeah, so many K dramas these
59:09
days fail to stick the landing. All of them start off so strong
59:13
and then their endings are just question mark, question mark.
59:16
Not everything needs to be profound or open note.
59:18
Like damn. Like end the story already.
59:24
I think people, especially writers and K drama creators,
59:28
are afraid of upsetting people. Yeah, because back in the day.
59:34
You'd get a fucking ending. You would get a fucking ending.
59:37
And it was very much because they were filming week to week.
59:42
Even the scripts were changing and and definitely the audience
59:46
had more, the oddly audience reaction had more influence on
59:52
how the story would end, truly. But yeah, I do think they it's
1:00:01
that middle part. That middle 10 to 14, yeah, like
1:00:08
what is what is happening here? Why are we wasting time?
1:00:12
Yeah. Yeah, David says.
1:00:15
I always hate the temporary breakup in episode 14 or 15.
1:00:18
They finally get together after whatever the main story is about
1:00:20
and then some random thing happens and one of them needs
1:00:23
space. When the phone rings.
1:00:27
Oh, and moving on, Annie says stop saying K dramas are
1:00:31
underrated just because they're old.
1:00:34
You just weren't around when they aired.
1:00:36
I promise some of the K dramas people are be talking about
1:00:39
being underrated were huge. It's just been a minute.
1:00:43
That's it. How long have you been in the
1:00:46
game? Mel, an episode doesn't need to
1:00:50
be one hour and 30 minutes. Are you sure you didn't write
1:00:56
this? I didn't write it.
1:00:57
Mel wrote it. Mel, we're on the same team.
1:01:00
We're on the same page. There is no reason on God's
1:01:03
green earth to make a movie length episode for anything.
1:01:10
Yeah, no. You know what that tells me?
1:01:12
You don't have an editor. Yeah, yeah, it could be.
1:01:15
You don't have an editor that is working on your script with you,
1:01:19
do you don't have an editor who's cutting down the footage
1:01:22
and saying we don't need this. What is what is this?
1:01:26
Are you sure we need this and questioning you?
1:01:30
Apart from Chloe, was there another drama with?
1:01:34
Long reply 1988. Oh, yeah.
1:01:37
OK, OK. There's so many, as a matter of
1:01:41
fact, but Lex says American media discovering K dramas was
1:01:45
the worst thing to happen. The abrupt dismantling of
1:01:50
DramaFever, Hello, Just Stealing, The Masked Singer,
1:01:53
Remaking The Good Doctor and MLFAS for Americans.
1:01:59
Lex, big hearts love you. Love you.
1:02:04
I agree. And and then we come back to the
1:02:07
conversation about Netflix and here's my issue.
1:02:12
I think it's fantastic that you know, more people are watching.
1:02:16
We have platforms that's accessible, but in that, and I,
1:02:23
and I said it this way, some somewhere back in the day we had
1:02:27
to go to Korea to watch their stories and, and to hear their
1:02:34
voice. And now it feels like they are
1:02:37
coming to us. And sometimes it's like the
1:02:42
stories are I'm getting Western audience.
1:02:48
Yeah. And I don't like that.
1:02:50
That's not why. That's what I why I went to cave
1:02:53
drama so. Another person says, I hate how
1:02:57
the how the fans will hype up a drama so much and it ends up
1:03:00
being mad boring and doesn't keep me on my toes.
1:03:03
I hate being disappointed. Yeah man, that's that's only in
1:03:08
recent years. I feel that it's come to a fever
1:03:11
pitch where there is a beating frenzy around certain dramas and
1:03:18
when you finally click play on them after likely having been
1:03:22
spoiled on the drama, you finally click play and you're
1:03:25
like, this is it. This is what had you guys losing
1:03:29
sleep. But I also think because people
1:03:34
are talking about it so much and putting up spoilers online so
1:03:40
quickly, you they sort of shape your experience of the show
1:03:46
before you go. In Oh yeah.
1:03:47
Mm. Hmm.
1:03:49
Yeah. For the worst, I'd say because
1:03:52
the way that I used to find dramas was I would find those
1:03:55
best of lists. I would find some Blogger who
1:03:58
had like one sent one or two sentences on each drama and
1:04:02
usually be like a little synopsis and what they thought
1:04:05
of it but no spoilers. Yeah.
1:04:08
Never spoilers. I've always liked spoilers, so
1:04:14
I'm the type who if it's OK drama, I don't do this as much.
1:04:18
But for for my C dramas, I'd go to YouTube, look at the kissing,
1:04:22
be like OK, OK I I buy it and then go watch it.
1:04:29
But for my K dramas, I think because I've been in them so
1:04:33
long, I know what to expect. And if it's the actor, then you
1:04:38
know, I'll stick around. But I don't.
1:04:42
That's another topic. The spoilers online are another
1:04:45
topic. Rampant Campbell TW Soup says
1:04:50
I'm so over the unrealistic falls or random plot lines that
1:04:54
to have an accidental kiss it's killing me.
1:04:57
Especially in When the Phone rings.
1:05:01
Yo the last time me and Carol were together we were ripping
1:05:04
into When the phone rings. That is a whole episode review
1:05:08
if you want to go scroll back and listen to it.
1:05:11
But yeah, that's also a very common cliche thing that happens
1:05:16
in the the dramas. Yeah.
1:05:19
I take it or leave it. I mean, I don't think, I don't
1:05:21
see it going anywhere, so. Yeah, exactly.
1:05:25
Like Deal. Because, because I think that it
1:05:30
takes so much, You know, back in the day we had this term called
1:05:35
skinship, yes and, and haptic and those two things were like,
1:05:41
it takes so much to like physically touch someone that
1:05:48
the only way it could happen was through an accident.
1:05:50
We both fell and we ended up on each other's lips like that's.
1:05:54
Yeah. Or we'll never get there.
1:05:56
Yeah, right. Or we'll never get there.
1:05:59
And I think people are just not used to that.
1:06:02
Yeah. Where it's overdone, which it
1:06:04
is, but whatever, you know, skip down, purple Kami says.
1:06:10
Also don't give a love triangle. If I know who the female lead
1:06:13
will end up with, that's boring. Half the time the second male
1:06:16
lead is useless to the story anyway.
1:06:19
And you know, I agree because I like steaks, I like angst.
1:06:25
I like a certain kind of mystery where damn, who the fuck is she
1:06:30
going to choose? OK, so we're talking the Reply
1:06:34
series did that really well. Yeah.
1:06:37
But I also feel like maybe this person hasn't watched enough
1:06:42
dramas where they fell for the second lead more than the male
1:06:46
lead. I rarely fall for the second
1:06:49
male lead, which is probably why I also feel this way where I'm
1:06:53
like yeah if it's either a love, a true love triangle, or
1:06:59
nothing. Like why even bother if you know
1:07:01
that she has no interest whatsoever in the second male
1:07:04
lead? True.
1:07:06
You know what I miss? I miss, You know, the earlier
1:07:11
dramas where it could be brothers, it could be cousins,
1:07:16
it could be best friends. If both of them like the same
1:07:20
girl, they're like, oh, that's our off.
1:07:22
Like dude. Yes, yes, you're right.
1:07:27
Like there used to be even stakes in just the relational
1:07:29
aspect of who is in love with this person.
1:07:33
Yes. And if it was too like they
1:07:35
don't do this anymore, two brothers in love with the same
1:07:39
girl or two girls in love with the same guy and their sisters
1:07:44
or their cousins or something like that.
1:07:46
And you're like, Oh my God, like it's tough, bro.
1:07:51
Like they don't do that spicy shit anymore.
1:07:53
No, no. That like halfway incestuous
1:07:56
love triangle. Just like wrong on all counts,
1:08:03
somehow toxic. Yeah, like Kane and Abel.
1:08:10
Oh my God, I love Kane and Abel. That, Oh my God, nobody talks
1:08:15
about Kane and Abel. And I feel like we've had this
1:08:17
conversation before, but like, that is such drama.
1:08:21
Yes, give. Me all the drama like y'all
1:08:26
ain't dramaing right? Honestly, yes, like time between
1:08:31
dog and wolf that I just finished.
1:08:33
I'm just like, we don't have this anymore.
1:08:36
We don't have, we don't have like that silent yearning we
1:08:40
don't like. Yes.
1:08:43
Anyway, yeah. OK, I agree.
1:08:45
I agree. Genevieve Joy Mercado says
1:08:49
sometimes it's hard to continue AK drama once the main couple
1:08:51
are finally together. It's like the plot's done once
1:08:54
that happens. What else is there?
1:08:57
Just end the show. Just end the cut the show get
1:08:59
it. Gen.
1:09:01
X no says idols should not get lead roles when they want to act
1:09:04
but start a support roles and work their way up.
1:09:06
I mean, what's there to disagree about here?
1:09:11
Nothing, except except if you're a dio DIO.
1:09:15
Dio had already formed fully formed as an actor before.
1:09:19
I think he should have been an actor before he debuted as a as
1:09:23
AK pop star in EXO. Yes, and Imchiwan.
1:09:28
And Imchiwan as well. Yes he again.
1:09:33
Imchiwan was never going to be AK Pop Idol for very long.
1:09:40
I think he hated it. He did.
1:09:43
He was like, I don't even know why I'm here.
1:09:45
I can't even sing that well, you know, They just kind of like
1:09:48
made me do a lot of things and learn how to dance.
1:09:51
And I was never 100 on it. But yeah, he seemed to thrive as
1:09:56
soon as he left that world and started acting.
1:09:59
So there's certain idols where I'm like, they were barely an
1:10:01
idol. Like, come on.
1:10:03
Dio was definitely an idol, but. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
1:10:08
Kimmy, I'm sick of them damn copico placements.
1:10:12
You know, dude, the quality of product placements has gone so
1:10:17
down. So down because before you
1:10:19
couldn't even tell, right? There were some seasons of of my
1:10:24
cage. I'm watching life where I was
1:10:26
like, I don't remember seeing an ad.
1:10:28
No, and I'm not even just talking about that, but I'm also
1:10:33
talking about just the products, which really tells me the
1:10:37
industry is down because back in the day everything felt like APP
1:10:44
where, you know, hair dryers, Dyson was.
1:10:50
Dyson, the Dyson. We knew Dyson before Dyson knew.
1:10:56
Because honestly, it would be a poor, poor female, leave like
1:10:59
holes in her shoes type poor. But she'd have a Dyson air wrap
1:11:03
and he'd be like, wow, wow. Even my favorite was the Fridge
1:11:11
and King to Hearts with Eason Ghee and Stop Hanchi one.
1:11:17
Yes, Hanchi 1, Hanchi 1. That Yeah, yeah, Hanchi one,
1:11:21
they're kissing in front of the fridge.
1:11:23
I'm like that is the fridge I want like the peepees used to
1:11:28
peepees. Used to be something.
1:11:31
But now, copico, they're like. Oh, I'm a little tired right
1:11:36
now. There's some copico it's.
1:11:39
Too much it's. Too much.
1:11:42
It's a joke. I feel awake now.
1:11:45
I'm like, really? You just ruined it.
1:11:47
It's. Ruined the whole thing.
1:11:49
Can't even watch anymore LV. I'm new to K drama but so far I
1:11:53
really dislike the female lead often being this timid,
1:11:56
childlike wide eyed girl. Skittish and overly acting cute
1:12:00
slash dramatic. Where are my strong confident
1:12:02
grown up Queens? And I was like oh you've come to
1:12:05
the right place. So I gave her a bunch of wrecks.
1:12:08
I don't know if she actually watched any of these or circled
1:12:11
back and commented back because there's too many comments on
1:12:16
that video there. There's no way I would be able
1:12:18
to look anyway. Try watching search www.whichwas
1:12:22
the very first episode that I had you on moving run on my name
1:12:28
the glory. It's OK, that's love sky castle,
1:12:30
Mr. Sunshine. These shows don't have such a
1:12:32
cutesy female leads. And of course the comic
1:12:35
community hopped into her sub comments and said watch
1:12:40
happiness watch Love to hate you.
1:12:44
And someone said definitely recommend my liberation notes.
1:12:47
So all those shows are really great showcases for a different
1:12:52
strong female lead. Yeah.
1:12:54
Do you have any to add? My lovely came some soon, Gil.
1:13:00
Just spring. Let me think.
1:13:04
I mean there's a lot 9 and two outs is so if you can find it, I
1:13:09
mean that's really good friends to lovers.
1:13:12
Anything by Kim Jesu, anything by I'm Jung Hua.
1:13:20
Those ladies were killing it. Yeah.
1:13:24
This person also kind of playing off of that theme from earlier
1:13:28
about the thrillers and crime dramas.
1:13:31
This person says the best dramas are from non ROM com genres.
1:13:35
They have better story development when you don't have
1:13:38
a focus on romance, Simon Tapes says.
1:13:42
The thriller, slash, crime or action dramas have some of the
1:13:45
best writing and performances than any other K drama genres.
1:13:48
They're just way more engaging and the scripts require the
1:13:51
actors to deliver. OK, I eat up revenge.
1:13:58
Political, historical, political.
1:14:02
I'm not sure about the thrillers.
1:14:05
I think they've. Gotten better like I.
1:14:07
What they're? Sensing is that the influx of
1:14:10
money from the West and the streamers is elevating the
1:14:15
genres that do well in the West. Yes, so action, thriller, crime,
1:14:24
these darker ones never got play in Korea because the networks
1:14:28
would just not really pick them up usually or there were so much
1:14:33
censorship on these television channels where there isn't on
1:14:39
streaming, right. They don't have to abide by you
1:14:42
can't show this that and the other you can't show the famous
1:14:47
one was knives and guns. So you would be watching a crime
1:14:51
show on a regular broadcast network in Korea and then all of
1:14:55
a sudden the gun would be blurred out or the knife will be
1:14:58
blurred out. And you'd be like, this is so
1:14:59
tame, Like why are they doing this?
1:15:01
So, but it's because of broadcast rules.
1:15:05
True, true. And my concern with the crime
1:15:12
and thriller overtaking romance is eventually I feel that it has
1:15:20
an influence on how we see people and strip them of empathy
1:15:26
and humanity and and it just becomes another Pew Pew Pew
1:15:32
bang, bang, bang. I'm just like, give me a story.
1:15:36
Give me a give me human, a human story, which I'm really loving
1:15:43
because I'm seeing a lot of K dramas now also doing more of
1:15:48
that, of just the human story stuff and it's also doing well
1:15:54
so. Yeah, I think the thriller,
1:15:57
crime and action and stuff is good.
1:16:00
I like that they're getting more play.
1:16:02
I like that they're somewhat improving over time, but also
1:16:06
they tend towards spectacle is I think what you're saying.
1:16:09
Yeah, and I don't like spectacle.
1:16:12
Booked by Ena, says K Dramas where actors are full adults and
1:16:16
behave like virginal teenagers, where small things like holding
1:16:19
hands is a huge thing, is such a turn off.
1:16:22
And again, what? Well, why?
1:16:26
Why don't you? You had something to say
1:16:28
immediately. What do you have to say?
1:16:30
No, I I'm seeing your comments and just go ahead.
1:16:33
OK my comment that I wrote back to her on TikTok was that was
1:16:37
the appeal for me of K dramas back when I started.
1:16:40
Every touch became meaningful again.
1:16:43
Exactly, that's literally why first of all, my parents would
1:16:49
not let me like watch a bold and beautiful or like those were in
1:16:55
the. Days of our lives.
1:16:57
Yeah, that stuff. So it was very much Asian
1:17:01
dramas, and it just put more meaning into every moment, like
1:17:09
you're saying. But more so culturally, at the
1:17:13
time, you weren't just touching anybody, no.
1:17:17
I mean even today, like I would never just touch Someone Like
1:17:21
You. Know what I'm saying?
1:17:23
Yeah. So it's maybe you're a bit
1:17:27
desensitized in the sense that you know, your environment, it
1:17:32
was easy to like hold hands, hug and but not necessarily on the
1:17:37
other side. Yeah.
1:17:39
Iris says. I know literally everyone
1:17:41
disagrees but I adore the fact that romance K dramas have like
1:17:44
minimal kissing and almost 0 sexual scenes so she feels the
1:17:48
opposite. I like seeing romance in actions
1:17:50
and words rather than physically.
1:17:53
That's what Drew means to K dramas, Yeah, so.
1:17:57
And this is my last one that I picked.
1:18:00
I'm so jazzed that we've come to the end of this process but I
1:18:04
can't believe it. Annette Lenson says the white
1:18:07
truck where someone gets hit on a crosswalk that they could
1:18:11
avoid like 5 minutes ago always makes me so frustrated haha.
1:18:16
And I think I might have said I was feeling cheeky that day.
1:18:20
And when I saw her comment come in I think I said not every K
1:18:25
drama needs a white truck but every white truck needs AK
1:18:28
drama. I agree.
1:18:32
And like, it's a fun, almost inside joke at this point where
1:18:38
someone's close to the road seems about to cross it.
1:18:42
Are they going to get hit? Might they get hit by a rogue
1:18:45
white truck of doom? I it's like an old friend to me.
1:18:50
Yeah, I've learned to accept it and I don't mind it at all.
1:18:56
You know what just hit me? The white truck of Doom is
1:19:01
almost like an intentional accidental.
1:19:05
Sort of. That's how they are trying to
1:19:07
explain it. But in the trunk when she walked
1:19:11
onto the street, it wasn't a white truck.
1:19:14
And in Goblin when I think the first time.
1:19:19
Yeah. And then the first time the Grim
1:19:21
Reaper stopped, like someone in the street, there was an
1:19:25
accident. It also wasn't a white truck so
1:19:28
it's almost like. But like, the subversion of it
1:19:30
is also, you know, something. I like that too.
1:19:35
I like when they subvert it and you think they're going to get
1:19:37
hit and then they don't. And.
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They're like, that was a close one.
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I'm like, because, you know, many female lead and male lead
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have been maimed or killed or lost their memory from a a brush
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with the white truck of doom. So anyway, we have come to the
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end of this long process of digesting and commenting and
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really airing our grievances with all of these hot takes that
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people have presented in this one TikTok video that I posted.
1:20:10
And I'm so happy that you were along and game to do this with
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me, Carol. I appreciate it so much.
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Carol, where can people find you online?
1:20:21
Thank you for having me and you can find me on Instagram as K
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dramas musings and that's where I am right now still figuring it
1:20:33
out. But I think I'm in the process
1:20:35
of finding my love for, you know, K dramas again, so.
1:20:40
Yeah. Absolutely.
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Yeah, you got to come back. Carol is very happy to talk with
1:20:46
you guys about K dramas in her DMS.
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I think that's like the best place to to find her if you want
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to comment on one of her posts or something like that.
1:20:54
Sometimes she's a little more quiet on Instagram than some
1:20:58
weeks, but definitely a wonderful drama friend.
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She has Rex galore. So if you're like, oh, I really
1:21:04
like the show, maybe Carol can suggest some more from the genre
1:21:09
from the show. And she's so kind enough to do
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that for anyone who jumps in her DMS.
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And of course, you could talk shit with her too.
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That's what I usually do is I talk shit with Carol all the
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time. We have takes for days.
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But Carol, thank you so much for being here.
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And that's it. We're going to wrap up this hot
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takes this long hot takes. I'm Jessica and this has been
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the Tiba K Rambles podcast. Bye.