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NFL Post Draft Reaction: Steelers botch Makai Lemon pick, Rams overdraft Ty Simpson, bad draft for 49ers? · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume, What is going on everybody, John middlecoff three
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Speaker 1: doing well? And game plan today. I'm going draft grades
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Speaker 1: every team, Just kidding. I would rather jump off a bridge.
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Speaker 1: That's I think mel Kiper's got you covered on that one.
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Speaker 1: I love mel respect that's what you gotta do on
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Speaker 1: ESPN dot com though draft grades have never meant shit
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Speaker 1: two years later or hell by the start of the season.
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Speaker 1: But I spent a lot of time the last couple
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Speaker 1: of days thinking, I definitely want to dive into the
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers in the moment that happened on Thursday. I
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Speaker 1: want to not a lot about Ty Simpson and the Rams,
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers are getting crushed for their draft,
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Speaker 1: and then just hit on some different things around football,
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Speaker 1: from the amount of tight ends that were drafted, the
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Speaker 1: SEC led the draft in picks, Diego Pavia undrafted, is
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Speaker 1: only getting a tryout with the Ravens. North Carolina and
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Speaker 1: Colorado did not have a player drafted Belichick and Prime.
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Speaker 1: let's dive into some football. Let's just start with the
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. And I've spent the last couple of days
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Speaker 1: thinking about this. I truly believe one of the more
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Speaker 1: embarrassing moments in my life watching this draft as a kid.
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Speaker 1: Definitely since I've been doing this professionally, that I can
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Speaker 1: ever remember, especially when you factor in the first round.
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Speaker 1: For those of you that I don't know live under
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Speaker 1: a rock. The Pittsburgh Steelers were on the phone with
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Speaker 1: Mackay Lemon and told them we're gonna make you a
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Speaker 1: Steeler and then they didn't because Howie Roseman jumped them
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Speaker 1: because the Cowboys were on the clock traded with him,
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Speaker 1: and as Jerry Jones said, Al Davis was vehemently against
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Speaker 1: ever making a trade in any capacity with a division
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Speaker 1: fote Jerry unemotional business man Howie overpay a little bit
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Speaker 1: and do their second deal in five years in the
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Speaker 1: first round, last one got DeVante Smith and Micah Parkson's
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Speaker 1: worked out pretty well. This one led the Lemon and
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Speaker 1: Lawrence the pass rusher from UCF. But I was thinking
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Speaker 1: about Omar Kahn, and for most of my life, I
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Speaker 1: don't remember the seventy Steelers. I met me and Joe
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Speaker 1: Green a couple times. It was an honor, but I
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Speaker 1: don't remember Terry Bradshawn lyn Swan and that crew. I
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Speaker 1: grew up on Greg Lloyd, Kevin Green, Neil O'donald Bill
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Speaker 1: Cower through obviously the Tomlin era. And one thing I
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Speaker 1: feel like the Steelers team I always watched there was,
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Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about well run teams, well
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Speaker 1: run businesses, they always felt like they had a consistent
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Speaker 1: idea from the front office to the coaches and like
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Speaker 1: an ethos to the franchise. I think the Packers have
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Speaker 1: had that from Ron Wolf to Ted Thompson to Goodikins
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Speaker 1: and what they got going on right now with Omar
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Speaker 1: Khan honestly feels a little embarrassing. And Omar Khan's background
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Speaker 1: actually a lot like Howie Roseman started on the financial
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Speaker 1: side of the football team, became into administrative aspects of
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Speaker 1: the salary cap. That's how he got his start and
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Speaker 1: that's how he came up. Well, if I'm going to
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Speaker 1: have a guy with a salary cap background become my
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Speaker 1: general manager, I'm gonna need him to be really dynamic
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Speaker 1: for anyone that falls the markets or big business. You
4:26
Speaker 1: just saw that Tim Cook at Apple step down pretty
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Speaker 1: incredible run Apple has had a lot of success over
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Speaker 1: the course of his tenure as a CEO. And I
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Speaker 1: don't want to script this name. John Turnus, I might
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Speaker 1: be saying his name wrong, is going to take over
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Speaker 1: here in several months and his background is not in sales,
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Speaker 1: it's in product development. He ran point, I'll give you
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Speaker 1: an example of one of the products. It's called the
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Speaker 1: air pods. The AirPods last year made twenty five billion dollars.
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Speaker 1: Over the last four years, they've made over one hundred
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Speaker 1: billion dollars. It's truly one of the great innovative tech
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Speaker 1: products in the history of America. It accounts for seven
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Speaker 1: percent of Apple's overall revenue. He played a huge role
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Speaker 1: way back in the day on the iPhone, currently the iPad.
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Speaker 1: Like he's a product guy. So when Apple elevates this guy,
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Speaker 1: you know, Tim Cook, it felt like was more of
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Speaker 1: an outfront, not necessarily a product background, but could just
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Speaker 1: be a good leader and handle the media, handle being
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Speaker 1: the frontman. I don't know if this guy has the skills.
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Speaker 1: I've never seen him talk, but I know this, when
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Speaker 1: they elevate this new dude at Apple, what they're gonna expect.
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Speaker 1: What's the next AirPods, What's the next iPad? Because that's
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Speaker 1: your background, and I expect you to dominate that aspect
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Speaker 1: of the business because that's what you do well. It's
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Speaker 1: like hiring an offensive coach to be my head coach. Ideally,
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Speaker 1: I want some leadership, but I also need the play
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Speaker 1: calling of Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay. That's what
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Speaker 1: I need. If I hire a defensive coach, your defense
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Speaker 1: better he lights out or we got a problem. No
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Speaker 1: different with the CEO. No different with the general manager.
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Speaker 1: So Howie Roseman, who typically shines around this time, part
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Speaker 1: of the reason he gets so much credit is because
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Speaker 1: he's really dynamic. Well, I hope, so that was his background.
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Speaker 1: Let's use John Snyder and Jason Light. Maybe they're not
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Speaker 1: as dynamic in terms of wheeling and dealing on draft night,
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Speaker 1: but what's their expectation? No one evaluates better than guys
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Speaker 1: like that. John Snyder's been evaluating players as a personnel
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Speaker 1: man for over three decades, Jason Light for twenty five
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Speaker 1: plus years. When I hired John Spytech to be my
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Speaker 1: GM with the Raiders, my expectation is evaluation. When I
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Speaker 1: elevate a salary cap guy to run my franchise, I'm
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Speaker 1: expecting the ability to to be dynamic. No different than Apple.
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Speaker 1: With this new CEO, what's your background products? I need
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Speaker 1: some new products. They better be sweet. I'm not expecting
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Speaker 1: you to hold a room like Steve Jobs. I'm cool
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Speaker 1: with you not doing that as long as you're innovating,
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Speaker 1: because that's the reason you're getting elevated. And Omar Khan,
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Speaker 1: the reason he got elevated is because of his background
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Speaker 1: with money, which now this business is enormous. You're talking
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Speaker 1: all these franchises are worth five to ten billion dollars.
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Speaker 1: The salary cap is three hundred plus million dollars. You're
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Speaker 1: signing countless one hundred million dollar contracts. So I need
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Speaker 1: you to be able to wheel and deal. And that
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Speaker 1: moment on that night is honestly feels like unforgivable. It's
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Speaker 1: something no one will ever forget because one of how
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Speaker 1: he's great skills. Someone asked me the other day, like,
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Speaker 1: what was he like? Like, one thing he's really good
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Speaker 1: at is gathering information. He is very close relationships with
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Speaker 1: a lot of different people, from football people like the GMS,
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Speaker 1: from media people like Glazer and Schefter and that crew,
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Speaker 1: to agents, and his ability to acquire information and know
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Speaker 1: what only you're supposed to know is a skill. And
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Speaker 1: clearly he knew because if you just asked me, and
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Speaker 1: it's not like I follow the Steelers on a day
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Speaker 1: to day basis, who do you think they're going to
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Speaker 1: draft John in the first round? I would have guessed,
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Speaker 1: especially their offensive lines Hurt. I'd be like, I'll probably
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Speaker 1: go on offensive lineman who they ended up taking, the
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Speaker 1: Arizona State guy who, by all accounts going to be
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Speaker 1: a decent prospect, but he wasn't the number one player
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Speaker 1: on their board when they thought they were picking Lemon
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Speaker 1: because they wanted Lemon to go with Pittman and with
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Speaker 1: DK Metcalf. But somehow, whether Omar Khan was telling people
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Speaker 1: who he wanted, whether it was Howie's ability to figure
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Speaker 1: it out, you got scooped and you got embarrassed on
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Speaker 1: national televis. I just the Pittsburgh Steelers, the brand that
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Speaker 1: I grew up with, is gone. And I just saw
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Speaker 1: the clip of Mike Tomlin talking on Sunday Night Football,
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Speaker 1: and you know he's never gonna be that transparent on
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Speaker 1: the true reasons on why he stepped away. And obviously
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Speaker 1: some of it self inflicted, but I think the front
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Speaker 1: office deteriorated greatly, and Mike Tomlin realized this is a
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Speaker 1: sinking ship and I need to get off of this.
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Speaker 1: Sean Payton realized that several years ago with the New
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Speaker 1: Orleans Saints as well. Now it feels like their ship
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Speaker 1: is coming out of the water, but for a couple
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Speaker 1: of years it was pretty ugly, and unlike Sean Payton,
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Speaker 1: I don't think he questioned Mickey loomis he just went, God,
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Speaker 1: I've screwed up this cap so much. We got no quarterback.
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Speaker 1: I'm out. I think Mike Tomlin looked and went, this
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Speaker 1: front office isn't nearly as good as what I inherited
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Speaker 1: when I got here, the mindset, the setup. This is
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Speaker 1: a disaster because my main guy is not good enough.
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Speaker 1: And if your main guy is not good enough, you
10:02
Speaker 1: got no shot, not in a league that is dynamic
10:07
Speaker 1: as it is today. And obviously Howie is gonna go
10:10
Speaker 1: down as one of the great Draft night gms of
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Speaker 1: all time with his ability to make moves. But when
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Speaker 1: it comes at your expense in a moment like that,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for people to ever forget. And
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Speaker 1: the other thing I was thinking about is Mike McCarthy
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Speaker 1: has led a pretty charm life as a head coach.
10:30
Speaker 1: He got with the Green Bay Packers and Ted Thompson,
10:33
Speaker 1: which doesn't get much better than that. When he got there,
10:36
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers was already on the team, and he inherited
10:40
Speaker 1: Brett Favre, and clearly they're just a well run operation.
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Speaker 1: He had a lot of success for a decade plus.
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Speaker 1: Then he went to the Dallas Cowboys, who listen if
10:49
Speaker 1: you want to watch a funny press conference, just flip
10:52
Speaker 1: on a Cowboys Draft night press conference. It's Will McKay
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Speaker 1: the GM. I don't think his titles technically GM as
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Speaker 1: Jerry's is, but he essentially is. It's Steven, Jerry, and Schottenheimer.
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Speaker 1: It's basically Will chime in in on the details about
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Speaker 1: the player, Stephen Jones looking furious because his father never
11:12
Speaker 1: shuts up, and then Brian Schottenheimer trying to bite his
11:15
Speaker 1: lip and not laugh because Jerry has a take on
11:18
Speaker 1: every single question, even if the question is not addressed
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Speaker 1: to him. But the one thing Mike McCarthy had in Dallas,
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Speaker 1: they do draft well, and they did build a really
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Speaker 1: good team around him, and he inherited Dak Prescott and
11:30
Speaker 1: they were a well run operation. There was a reason
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Speaker 1: they won twelve straight games three straight years in the
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Speaker 1: division twice where Howie Roseman and the Philadelphia Eagles are
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Speaker 1: in it, Like, that's pretty impressive. That is not the
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Speaker 1: situation he's going to. And I know this means a
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Speaker 1: lot to him because he's from Pittsburgh and the insurers
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Speaker 1: and it's you know, even he got emotional talking about it.
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Speaker 1: He is fighting an uphill battle, a big uphill battle,
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Speaker 1: because simply put, I think his GM is completely over
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Speaker 1: his head. Speaking about a GM, I don't think he's
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Speaker 1: over his head, but I just couldn't disagree anymore with
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Speaker 1: the pick. And I've spent the last couple of days
12:04
Speaker 1: thinking a lot about Ty Simpson, and I love the
12:07
Speaker 1: stock market right and there's no better feeling. It's it's
12:11
Speaker 1: like gambling. Now. Gambling is a better high because it's instant,
12:15
Speaker 1: but you can make a lot more money in the
12:17
Speaker 1: stock market and you just sit there, do nothing and
12:19
Speaker 1: just watch your money go up. Ideally, it can't go down,
12:22
Speaker 1: no guarantees, but there's no better feeling than buying a
12:24
Speaker 1: ten dollars stock and over the course of a period
12:27
Speaker 1: of time that thing going to fifty. I've never had
12:29
Speaker 1: a ten bagger, but I can't imagine when that ten
12:31
Speaker 1: goes to one hundred has to feel fucking incredible, just
12:35
Speaker 1: like going the other way feels crappy. Go from fifty
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Speaker 1: to twenty five or ten, it sucks. And that's what
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Speaker 1: the draft is. It's a marketplace, and specifically with quarterbacks.
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Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about Ty Simpson in his comparison
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Speaker 1: to Brock Purty Well part of the Brock Purty story.
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Speaker 1: A huge part of it was the pressure that he
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Speaker 1: did not feel early on because he was the last
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Speaker 1: pick in the draft. So if you can find the
13:04
Speaker 1: last pick in the draft and that guy can go
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Speaker 1: on to be your starter for a team that's winning
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Speaker 1: double digit games and winning playoff games for let's just
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Speaker 1: say a decade, that would be the equivalent of finding
13:16
Speaker 1: a penny stock and that thing turning into apple. That's
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Speaker 1: never happened before and it might never happen again. But
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Speaker 1: when you use the thirteenth overall pick on a quarterback,
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Speaker 1: the pressure on that guy is to be a top
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Speaker 1: ten quarterback. It's like buying a fifty dollars stock. You know,
13:34
Speaker 1: if it goes to sixty, it's a win, but your
13:37
Speaker 1: expectation of getting in is pretty high your price point.
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Speaker 1: It's not like you got this guy for cheap. There
13:44
Speaker 1: were a lot of guys in the draft, you know,
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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's, Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson's. The reason the power
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Speaker 1: of that player is the price in which the team
13:52
Speaker 1: paid to acquire the guy, because that's the market of
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Speaker 1: the draft. Yet they just to Patrick Mahomes went tenth,
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Speaker 1: this guy went thirteenth. It's like, well, the Green Bay
14:02
Speaker 1: Packers were always ahead of the curve when it came
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Speaker 1: to drafting quarterbacks. And I want to raise a red
14:09
Speaker 1: flag because if you told me that the Brett far
14:13
Speaker 1: of two thousand and five Green Bay Packers or the
14:16
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers in twenty twenty with Aaron Rodgers had
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Speaker 1: the thirteenth pick in those drafts, I do not think
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Speaker 1: they take a quarterback either time. The reason they famously
14:27
Speaker 1: took Aaron Rodgers because Ted Thompson said we never thought
14:30
Speaker 1: he'd be there in a million years. When he just
14:31
Speaker 1: couldn't pass on it. Jordan Love went pick twenty six.
14:36
Speaker 1: You know who was the thirteenth pick in that draft,
14:38
Speaker 1: Jordan Love's hear Tristan Wurfs. I'll promise you this. If
14:43
Speaker 1: Green Bay was drafting thirteen that season, Jordan Love would
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Speaker 1: not have been the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers.
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Speaker 1: He would not have been picked. And that is the
14:53
Speaker 1: issue with the Rams is they paid a premium for
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Speaker 1: a guy, by all accounts, is not a premium. His
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Speaker 1: best case scenario is to be like the tenth to
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Speaker 1: fifteenth quarterback in the NFL that's best case scenario, and
15:07
Speaker 1: we know how difficult it is to become that. And
15:11
Speaker 1: it also feels like part of drafting is removing your emotion, right,
15:18
Speaker 1: removing how much you love a guy. The Chiefs traded
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Speaker 1: up for the LSU corner, but one thing Veach said
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Speaker 1: that night in the press conference is we felt we
15:30
Speaker 1: had to get aggressive because our cluster of Tate and
15:34
Speaker 1: Reese and clearly Delaying was in that as well, were off.
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Speaker 1: You know, those two guys off the board. The corner
15:41
Speaker 1: comes off. We don't feel comfortable taking any of these
15:44
Speaker 1: other guys at night, And whether they are right or wrong,
15:48
Speaker 1: they were afraid that probably the Saints or potentially the
15:52
Speaker 1: Commanders were gonna take the corner. So they just got
15:55
Speaker 1: aggressive and they got their guy because they weren't emotional
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Speaker 1: to the board, they liked the guys. Two of them went.
16:00
Speaker 1: I think Tate was a little shocking, and that's how
16:03
Speaker 1: you kind of have to operate. You can't get tied
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Speaker 1: to an individual player, even if it is a quarterback,
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Speaker 1: because you know his dad. I'm sorry, I think this
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Speaker 1: is one of the craziest, most insane draft picks in
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Speaker 1: the history of my life. I just don't think it
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Speaker 1: gets any crazy. I'm in the history of my life
16:23
Speaker 1: since I've been watching the draft, potentially in the history
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Speaker 1: of the draft a team that is ready made. Sorry,
16:29
Speaker 1: I was kind of fired up there. History of my life.
16:31
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that makes sense, but definitely
16:34
Speaker 1: of my lifetime. I just can't wrap my mind around
16:41
Speaker 1: taking a guy who, Matt Stafford makes forty or fifty
16:44
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. I mean, we'll see, he's got
16:46
Speaker 1: a new contract coming, it's gonna get a raise. He's
16:49
Speaker 1: thirty eight years old. And I mentioned this to Coward
16:53
Speaker 1: is let's just use some of his contemporaries. These guys
16:57
Speaker 1: were a little older. But Tom Brady play till forty five,
17:01
Speaker 1: clearly was not willing to get hit. His team was
17:05
Speaker 1: kind of scuffling, and he's like, I'm out. Peyton Manning's
17:08
Speaker 1: arm stopped working, Drew Brees' shoulder, he literally can't throw
17:13
Speaker 1: the ball to his kids right now. Roethlisberger physically was
17:18
Speaker 1: a shell of himself. If those guys were playing at
17:22
Speaker 1: an MVP level, they will and their team was a
17:25
Speaker 1: Super Bowl contender. Guess what they're not doing retiring. So
17:30
Speaker 1: as long as Matt Stafford is playing at an MVP
17:33
Speaker 1: type level and his team is good. He's not going anywhere.
17:37
Speaker 1: In his relationship with McVeigh speaks for itself. So when
17:42
Speaker 1: they picked ty Simpson, and you try to compare it
17:45
Speaker 1: to the Packers, the two guys the Packers took fell
17:49
Speaker 1: in the draft. I wouldn't be as caught up with
17:53
Speaker 1: this if you told me the Rams took Ty Simpson
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Speaker 1: at pick twenty six, but taking them at their teen
18:00
Speaker 1: in like a twelve or thirteen player draft, and if
18:03
Speaker 1: you factor in one of the quarterbacks go so it
18:06
Speaker 1: pushes back to position players. Just ask John Schneider and
18:11
Speaker 1: John Lynch, would you rather have them take Ty Simpson
18:15
Speaker 1: or just add another bullet to their gun and add
18:17
Speaker 1: Reuben Bain or the guard from Penn State or the
18:24
Speaker 1: tackle from Alabama or whatever, just a player that could
18:27
Speaker 1: immediately impact them. We know the answer would be they
18:32
Speaker 1: would sign up for them to draft Ty Simpson. And
18:36
Speaker 1: McVeigh walked it back on Friday night. And he's good because,
18:42
Speaker 1: I mean, one of his great attributes is he's incredible
18:44
Speaker 1: with the media. I watched you some different videos different
18:49
Speaker 1: teams that roll out their scouts. You know, which is cool,
18:53
Speaker 1: but you can tell some of the guys just aren't
18:55
Speaker 1: that comfortable. They're not used to doing that, and some
18:57
Speaker 1: guys are. And the one thing any advice I would
19:01
Speaker 1: give to any future general manager is like, you do
19:04
Speaker 1: have to get comfortable speaking in front of the mic,
19:06
Speaker 1: because that is a major part of the job in
19:09
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six and beyond. That's the business we're in.
19:12
Speaker 1: It's not just sitting in a room and watching players.
19:15
Speaker 1: You got to find a way to get a little
19:17
Speaker 1: less nervous and talk. I texted a buddy who's one
19:19
Speaker 1: of them who did it. I was like, bro, you
19:21
Speaker 1: were awesome, but that's going to be a skill that
19:24
Speaker 1: you're going to need to use when you eventually become
19:26
Speaker 1: a general manager. And there's probably some truth to that.
19:32
Speaker 1: Maybe Sean was mad about something that's going on in
19:35
Speaker 1: his personal life. It happens to us, all right. We
19:38
Speaker 1: have our good days in our bad days. But you
19:41
Speaker 1: can't convince me that he went I don't know if
19:44
Speaker 1: this is the right decision. I really don't because we
19:48
Speaker 1: are this close and we have been the last two years,
19:52
Speaker 1: and to take a guy like I don't give a
19:53
Speaker 1: fuck that Daniel Orlowski saught he was awesome. You know,
19:58
Speaker 1: that's irrelevant. He's a six' to one quarterback who couldn't
20:02
Speaker 1: make it through one full season healthy and kind of
20:06
Speaker 1: crumbled at the end of the. Year now you'd be, like,
20:08
Speaker 1: well they didn't have a running. GAME i, mean a
20:10
Speaker 1: lot of teams in college football haven't had running. Games
20:13
Speaker 1: he has multi million dollar wide receiver corps AND nfl
20:19
Speaker 1: players on defense and twelve million dollar head. Coach so it's, like,
20:24
Speaker 1: Yeah Michael pennix was, unreal And i'm A MICHAEL pennockx
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Speaker 1: fan or Was i'd probably not holding down strong to that.
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20:37
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20:41
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20:43
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20:48
Speaker 1: that is a luxury item that is not a luxury,
20:52
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20:56
Speaker 1: defensive linement like The, giants that guy's upside is to
21:00
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21:03
Speaker 1: i could listen to an argument of, like couldn't they
21:06
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21:08
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21:11
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Speaker 1: no team is ever consistently as good yet just takes
23:49
Speaker 1: more shit about what they do in the offseason Than
23:52
Speaker 1: John Lynchi. Kalchian and, granted when it comes to the,
23:55
Speaker 1: draft they throw some. Curveballs you, know they don't exactly
24:00
Speaker 1: make moves all the, time like They're Howie roseman wheeling and.
24:02
Speaker 1: Dealing but when it comes to playing the, games like,
24:06
Speaker 1: listen how he got anointed this, Weekend it's, like what a.
24:09
Speaker 1: Genius And i'm saying, that yet a couple months ago
24:13
Speaker 1: the forty Nine ers and The eagles, played and The
24:15
Speaker 1: eagles had way better, players and The niners beat him In,
24:18
Speaker 1: Philadelphia like that. Happened and the point of the job
24:21
Speaker 1: WHEN i Pay John lynch ten million AND i Pay
24:24
Speaker 1: Kyle shanahan eighteen million to be my head coach and
24:26
Speaker 1: my general manager is to win games and get me
24:29
Speaker 1: to the playoffs and win playoff. Games that's the point
24:33
Speaker 1: not to be the most dynamic, drafter not to be
24:36
Speaker 1: the most dynamic in free. Agency it's to win games On,
24:39
Speaker 1: sunday And Kyle shanahan is a long track record of doing.
24:43
Speaker 1: That i'm just, playing you, know armchair evaluator here from
24:48
Speaker 1: my couch looking at social. Clips Kyle shanahan does not
24:51
Speaker 1: look like a bundle of joy in the draft. Room
24:55
Speaker 1: this does not look like an. Event he likes a,
24:57
Speaker 1: lot definitely by his body, language doesn't smile a. Lot
25:01
Speaker 1: looks kind of, miserable which is. Weird most of these
25:04
Speaker 1: coaches are kind of enjoying. It kyle does not like the,
25:07
Speaker 1: draft but he's the grand pooh. Bah he's the guy
25:10
Speaker 1: making the. Decisions no one is drafted on the forty
25:13
Speaker 1: nine ers Without kyle signing off on. It and the
25:16
Speaker 1: forty nine ers have done this long enough to know.
25:18
Speaker 1: That it's, like we could take a guy at thirty
25:21
Speaker 1: three that is more talented than the guy we're gonna,
25:23
Speaker 1: take but if he lacks some non negotiables With kyle's
25:27
Speaker 1: never gonna. Plan so if we need a wide, receiver
25:30
Speaker 1: which we could debate if they should have gone the
25:32
Speaker 1: wide receiver From Ole, miss IF i drafted a guy
25:35
Speaker 1: that refuses to, block the guy will never get on the.
25:37
Speaker 1: Field kyle won't even dress him on game. Day so
25:42
Speaker 1: blocking for the forty nine ers and running after the
25:44
Speaker 1: catch for the forty nine ers is more important than
25:47
Speaker 1: maybe like great route running or certain characteristics that other
25:53
Speaker 1: teams would value more Because Kyle, shanahan that's make or
25:57
Speaker 1: break for. Him AND i saw a lot of conversation
26:01
Speaker 1: around the forty nine ers and the word, consensus which to,
26:05
Speaker 1: me when you say, consensus you're just taking all the
26:07
Speaker 1: mock drafts and Like Dane brugler is The beast And
26:10
Speaker 1: Daniel jeremiah's top, fifty you're just taking like that's AGAINST
26:15
Speaker 1: i was thinking about watching Mel kiper this week and
26:18
Speaker 1: one DAY i would imagine the relatively near future he will,
26:21
Speaker 1: retire AND i Was it just kind of hit me
26:25
Speaker 1: what an impactful career he's. Had he is on a
26:29
Speaker 1: short list of people when it comes to THE nfl,
26:32
Speaker 1: draft one of the most important people in the history
26:33
Speaker 1: of the. League his, passion his, desire his entertainment, value
26:39
Speaker 1: and he's got arguments over the, years probably way more
26:42
Speaker 1: back in the day than now with front office. People
26:46
Speaker 1: Mel kiper's job was never to draft. Players he's A tv.
26:50
Speaker 1: Personality his job is to entertain AND i think we
26:54
Speaker 1: would all agree he's great at it and had A
26:58
Speaker 1: hall Of fame level career be an entertainer on. Television
27:03
Speaker 1: as a general, manager your job is not to. Entertain
27:07
Speaker 1: it's to get the picks, right get the signings, right
27:11
Speaker 1: understand the value in the market of the. Draft mel
27:14
Speaker 1: can say whatever he. Wants last year he was hoot
27:16
Speaker 1: and hollering About Shador. Sanders it's all. Entertainment John gruden
27:19
Speaker 1: did the same shit With Johnny. Manziel when they're sitting
27:22
Speaker 1: up there on the desk FOR espn Or fox OR
27:25
Speaker 1: Nfl network or, whoever any, analyst their job is one
27:29
Speaker 1: d per. Entertainment that is not the. Job when you
27:31
Speaker 1: run a, team your job is to build the best
27:33
Speaker 1: roster that is gonna win games On. Sunday and the
27:37
Speaker 1: other part is when you draft thirty three and you
27:40
Speaker 1: don't have another pick till fifty. Eight if you go
27:42
Speaker 1: this is our favorite player on the, board but ideally
27:45
Speaker 1: we'd like to take him at forty, eight but we
27:48
Speaker 1: know if we pass on him, here he won't be
27:50
Speaker 1: there at fifty. Eight it's where you get teams that
27:53
Speaker 1: quote unquote reach for a. Guy but you know who
27:55
Speaker 1: no one ever talks about when you reach for a
27:57
Speaker 1: guy is three years later when that guy is. Good
28:00
Speaker 1: and do you know what no one ever says three
28:01
Speaker 1: years later when the guy. SUCKS i thought that was
28:04
Speaker 1: the best pick of the draft three years, ago no
28:06
Speaker 1: one says. That so WHEN i see the word consensus
28:10
Speaker 1: in a draft, that by all accounts was historically shitty on,
28:14
Speaker 1: paper it doesn't mean it'll turn out. BAD a lot
28:17
Speaker 1: of these guys could go on to Be Pro, bowlers
28:20
Speaker 1: all Pros hall Of fame, players but coming in based
28:23
Speaker 1: on their college resume meaning athletic, attributes, testing, production the,
28:31
Speaker 1: tape the whole. Thing it was viewed as a god awful.
28:33
Speaker 1: Draft so when it's a god awful, draft once you
28:36
Speaker 1: get past like pick, forty there is no consensus you
28:41
Speaker 1: could argue Pass like the top fifteen to twenty players
28:45
Speaker 1: in this, draft everyone's board would have been completely different
28:49
Speaker 1: all around the. League so if you really like a,
28:52
Speaker 1: player just take, them just take. Them because this was
28:56
Speaker 1: not a draft where people felt. Confident once you got
29:01
Speaker 1: past Like Ruben bain at, fifteen there was a lot
29:05
Speaker 1: of debate about a lot of different, players and that's
29:08
Speaker 1: in the first, round let alone the second and the third.
29:11
Speaker 1: Rounds so the argument that the forty nine ers and
29:14
Speaker 1: some of these teams are, REACHING i understand it relative
29:18
Speaker 1: to most, Drafts but in a draft like, THIS i
29:22
Speaker 1: have less of an. Issue and one stribbling From Ole.
29:25
Speaker 1: Miss EVERYONE i talk to really likes, Them and to
29:28
Speaker 1: the running back they took late in the third. ROUND
29:30
Speaker 1: i watched a lot Of indiana, football and every single
29:33
Speaker 1: TIME i Watched black was making. PLAYS i thought he
29:35
Speaker 1: was a really good. Player, now in a perfect, world
29:37
Speaker 1: do you get that guy in the late? Fourth, Sure
29:40
Speaker 1: but that's not really The niners. Deal, like they're not
29:43
Speaker 1: Exactly Howie. Roseman when it comes to the economics of
29:46
Speaker 1: working through the, draft of like the value, here that's
29:49
Speaker 1: NOT i would say their. Strength but you know what
29:51
Speaker 1: is their? Strength last year they went twelve and five
29:54
Speaker 1: and me and you were playing on their defense In
29:56
Speaker 1: november And. December how many teams could have pulled that?
29:59
Speaker 1: Off probably not, many because if you flip flop coaches
30:03
Speaker 1: in THAT nfc playoff game Against sirianni And, kyle what
30:07
Speaker 1: are The niners or what are The niners lose that
30:08
Speaker 1: game by thirty. Points that's what, Matters So i'll defend
30:12
Speaker 1: him that. WAY i wish his body language would be
30:14
Speaker 1: a little bit. BETTER i wish he'd feel like he
30:17
Speaker 1: wanted to be. There sure doesn't look like. That looks
30:19
Speaker 1: like he's fucking. Miserable and Maybe John lynch over a
30:24
Speaker 1: couple of beers would tell, YOU i want a wheeling.
30:27
Speaker 1: Deal But kyle's. Adamant we gotta take this, guy and
30:29
Speaker 1: we gotta take this guy. Now there's probably some truth to.
30:31
Speaker 1: That as long as he, wins none of this. Matters
30:35
Speaker 1: none of it. Matters just like for as awesome As
30:37
Speaker 1: Howie roseman's weekend, was if they go nine to eight
30:41
Speaker 1: and The cowboys win the division and they missed the
30:42
Speaker 1: playoffs or get bounce in the first, round no one
30:45
Speaker 1: will give a shit about. It not a. Soul, now
30:49
Speaker 1: how he's excellent of doing his, job and he has
30:53
Speaker 1: to be that good because his. Coaches i'm not trying
30:57
Speaker 1: to be mean To sirianni, here but if we did
30:59
Speaker 1: a coaching, draft no one's drafting him in the top
31:02
Speaker 1: ten in THE. NFL a lot of Else THE nfl
31:06
Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit for the outside. Draft they
31:10
Speaker 1: set a record over eight hundred thousand people this. Weekend
31:12
Speaker 1: who knows what's true or, not clearly a lot of
31:15
Speaker 1: people were. There there is something about being outside a
31:19
Speaker 1: crowd that makes an event that shouldn't have as much
31:22
Speaker 1: juice as it, does especially once you get past the
31:25
Speaker 1: top ten to fifteen. Picks the Traveling draft is a,
31:29
Speaker 1: massive massive. Hit it is a huge win for THE.
31:33
Speaker 1: Nfl whoever's idea that was And roger giving the thumbs,
31:38
Speaker 1: up they deserve credit Because Radio City Music hall could
31:44
Speaker 1: not have carried attention like the new draft. Does outside the,
31:49
Speaker 1: fans the, vibe the, buzz there's an added energy to
31:54
Speaker 1: THE tv screen that is, palpable and you felt it this,
31:58
Speaker 1: weekend and you feel it every single, year whether you
32:01
Speaker 1: know the players or. Not it's just an easy. Watch
32:04
Speaker 1: AND i think the outdoor fan element of it all
32:09
Speaker 1: has dramatically positively impacted the television. Product more tight ends
32:20
Speaker 1: went in this draft than anyone since two thousand and.
32:24
Speaker 1: Two and remember was It saqwan And camara and. McCaffrey
32:32
Speaker 1: they got on the zoom and they were mad and
32:35
Speaker 1: pissed off about the running back being treated like the
32:39
Speaker 1: the equipment guy and thinking they weren't getting raises and
32:41
Speaker 1: they were treated like. SHIT i think it's safe to
32:44
Speaker 1: say the running back has come. Back all these tight end,
32:46
Speaker 1: drafts you, know drafted this. Weekend all these teams want
32:50
Speaker 1: to go in three tight end. Sets everyone wants to
32:53
Speaker 1: have heavier personnel on the field to give the option
32:56
Speaker 1: to run the. Ball you, know even the tight end
32:59
Speaker 1: packages make it much easier on the. QUARTERBACK i think
33:04
Speaker 1: we're always looking for shifts in, football you, know things
33:08
Speaker 1: kind OF ebb and, flow spread, offenses more power, offenses
33:13
Speaker 1: three to four, defenses four to three, defenses all sorts
33:16
Speaker 1: of different trends in. FOOTBALL i think one heavy current
33:20
Speaker 1: trend is more of a power offense running the. Football,
33:26
Speaker 1: now part of it is why did so many tight
33:30
Speaker 1: ends get, Drafted because there were a lot of tight
33:32
Speaker 1: ends in the draft. Right it was a position that
33:35
Speaker 1: came with a lot of draft prospects that were worthy
33:39
Speaker 1: of being picked relatively. High, NOW i think we went
33:42
Speaker 1: from When sadiq got picked at was it fifteen or?
33:46
Speaker 1: Sixteen sours was the next guy mid to late second,
33:50
Speaker 1: Round so we did have a pretty large gap between
33:53
Speaker 1: the first and second tight. End but once that tight end,
33:56
Speaker 1: started it kind of started to, Run AND i think
34:00
Speaker 1: it's really. Twofold, ideally you teach your guy he doesn't
34:03
Speaker 1: ever have to Be gronk Or kittle on the line of.
34:05
Speaker 1: Scrimmage but if you're two hundred and fifty pounds and
34:08
Speaker 1: you can just try, hard it's kind of like defense
34:10
Speaker 1: in THE. Nba if you're a bad defender in THE
34:13
Speaker 1: nba and you're a good, athlete you're not trying that.
34:16
Speaker 1: HARD i don't expect you to Be Scottie pippen Or Gary.
34:22
Speaker 1: Payton but if you are a high END nba athlete
34:26
Speaker 1: and they just say you suck at, defense you're just
34:28
Speaker 1: lazy on, defense, period point, blank end of. Story, Right
34:32
Speaker 1: James harden had no business being as bad on defense
34:35
Speaker 1: throughout his career that he. Was he just didn't want
34:37
Speaker 1: to play. It AND i think blocking sometimes with the
34:40
Speaker 1: tight end is he's gotta try a little. Bit you're
34:42
Speaker 1: six foot, four two hundred fifty. Pounds i'm not expecting
34:45
Speaker 1: you to block a three hundred and twenty pounds Or Dexter.
34:47
Speaker 1: Lawrence but some of these defensive ends are two hundred
34:50
Speaker 1: and forty five. Pounds you just AND i understand he's
34:53
Speaker 1: more violent than, you but just get in front of.
34:55
Speaker 1: Him SO i think that's a huge emphasis for these
34:57
Speaker 1: teams to teach some of these guys to. Block and
35:00
Speaker 1: the other thing is how many guys on defense can
35:02
Speaker 1: cover a six to four guy that can. Move it's a,
35:05
Speaker 1: huge huge. Mismatch it's kind of like. Basketball we're a power.
35:09
Speaker 1: Forward if you have a shooting guard on you and
35:11
Speaker 1: You're Rashid, wallace, right it's, like good, LUCK i got
35:15
Speaker 1: you by six. Inches you got no, shot and football
35:18
Speaker 1: is a. Lot it becomes basketball with tight ends against you,
35:21
Speaker 1: know smaller safeties or smaller nickel. Corners it's a, huge
35:25
Speaker 1: huge advantage for the. Offense the sec led the draft
35:32
Speaker 1: and most players. SELECTED i think that stat used to
35:36
Speaker 1: hold more meaning pre nil transfer, portal because now it
35:42
Speaker 1: is amazing how often a guy is drafted and you
35:45
Speaker 1: just click on him and you look at his bio
35:47
Speaker 1: and he'd been at three. SCHOOLS i went to. College
35:52
Speaker 1: it's not a regret because it was my. Life everything
35:56
Speaker 1: happened for a reason And i'm here BECAUSE i went
35:59
Speaker 1: to Cal. Poly but if you put me the WAY
36:02
Speaker 1: i think now at eighteen years, OLD i would have
36:06
Speaker 1: really got out of my comfort zone and gone much
36:08
Speaker 1: farther away from my. House but you, know Cal, poly
36:11
Speaker 1: from WHERE i grew, up was about a four and
36:12
Speaker 1: a half five hour drive and there's no plane, flights
36:15
Speaker 1: so it's it was far enough that you weren't going
36:18
Speaker 1: home that often and you felt separated from your. Parents
36:21
Speaker 1: but there were a lot of people THAT i grew
36:23
Speaker 1: up with that went to school. There it was it
36:26
Speaker 1: was a very comfortable place to go to. School it
36:28
Speaker 1: wasn't LIKE i just picked up and went To texas,
36:31
Speaker 1: right Or University arizona Or washington Or bama or you.
36:35
Speaker 1: Know WHEN i hear about kids that from the area
36:38
Speaker 1: in WHICH i grew up, with you know people THAT
36:40
Speaker 1: i know that have you, know high school age kids and,
36:43
Speaker 1: like you, know my son just Toured Ole, Miss, Alabama,
36:45
Speaker 1: florida And georgia and they Chose. Alabama i'm, like that's pretty.
36:50
Speaker 1: Cool your son or daughter has has some balls because
36:55
Speaker 1: you really got to put yourself out there to go
36:56
Speaker 1: to a place where you literally know nobody and it's
36:59
Speaker 1: not even remotely close to. Home like THAT'S i didn't
37:02
Speaker 1: have that WHEN i was. EIGHTEEN i developed that AS
37:04
Speaker 1: i got. Older but WHEN i see these kids AND
37:08
Speaker 1: i get, it you're getting. Paid it's one thing to
37:11
Speaker 1: transfer one time with the opportunity to play some of these.
37:14
Speaker 1: Guys it's Like Washington, State Oklahoma, State Ole, miss you,
37:18
Speaker 1: know It's Middle, Tennessee, Georgia, Tech. Florida That's' it's just
37:24
Speaker 1: it's a crazy. Life they all. Lead SO i do
37:27
Speaker 1: think the amount of draft, picks which is always gonna
37:30
Speaker 1: lead or lean THE sec or The Big ten because
37:35
Speaker 1: they're paying a lot of money in, NIL i do
37:38
Speaker 1: think THAT stats lost a little luster because THE sec
37:42
Speaker 1: and The big ten are just going to dominate with
37:44
Speaker 1: the draft picks because they're paying all the money for the.
37:46
Speaker 1: Players it used to be really impressive because it was, like,
37:49
Speaker 1: Oh iowa had eight guys. Drafted you knew that they
37:53
Speaker 1: got some under recruited guys and developed. Them Or Boise
37:57
Speaker 1: state just had seven guys picked in two twenty. Twelve you're,
38:01
Speaker 1: like that's fucking. Incredible now it's, LIKE i hope you're
38:04
Speaker 1: getting a lot of players. DRAFTED i mean you're paying
38:06
Speaker 1: them a ton of. Money. Uh AN o line coach
38:11
Speaker 1: in college texted. Me he, said of the nine guys,
38:14
Speaker 1: drafted the nine, tackles and you probably include The Penn
38:18
Speaker 1: state guard in the first. Round only one of them.
38:23
Speaker 1: Transferred there was only one, transfer and that was The
38:28
Speaker 1: Georgia tech offensive line in That texas took at twenty
38:31
Speaker 1: six and he went From Middle tennessee To Georgia. Tech
38:34
Speaker 1: and then there's One juco. Guy that's The Arizona state
38:37
Speaker 1: guy The steelers, took who started Like East Los angeles
38:40
Speaker 1: and then ended up at a. Issue but everyone, else you,
38:43
Speaker 1: know unlike all these other positions where they're bouncing, around
38:47
Speaker 1: offensive line is a position where continuity. MATTERS i don't
38:52
Speaker 1: think it's an easy position to bounce around wide, receiver, corner.
38:56
Speaker 1: QUARTERBACK i think offensive line is much more. Difficult AND
39:02
Speaker 1: i don't really necessarily have a. TAKE i was, like
39:03
Speaker 1: that's just an interesting fact that most of these guys
39:09
Speaker 1: were just at the same school their entire career coming
39:12
Speaker 1: out of high. School and that's definitely a trend to
39:14
Speaker 1: kind of keep an eye, on because it does feel
39:17
Speaker 1: like we're a little less likely to see offensive lineman jumping.
39:19
Speaker 1: Around they just kind of, stick you, know proct think
39:23
Speaker 1: About bama When saban, Retired Caleb downs And julian saying
39:29
Speaker 1: immediately transferred To Ohio. State, Yeah Caden. Proctor if he
39:33
Speaker 1: would have thrown his hat in the ring as a transfer,
39:35
Speaker 1: PORTAL i would imagine every team in the country would
39:38
Speaker 1: have been. Interested but he just. Stayed AND i wonder
39:42
Speaker 1: if they're bigger guys making money are a little more.
39:46
Speaker 1: CONTENT i don't necessarily have a. Theory, definitely the wide
39:49
Speaker 1: receivers kind of chase the fame a little bit, more
39:51
Speaker 1: running back to chase the fame a little bit. More
39:54
Speaker 1: it feels like an offensive lineman is just mutt Your
39:56
Speaker 1: you're paying me five hundred grand to be the starting
39:58
Speaker 1: right tackle At Penn. State i'm, Cool i'm, good my
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Speaker 1: Mayvary THE Uh eagles signed the dude From nigeria that
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Speaker 1: is six foot, four three hundred. Pounds we're in a
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Speaker 1: four to six and jump forty. Inches. Now he's never played,
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Speaker 1: Football so they have clearly a history of doing this
42:10
Speaker 1: Because Jordan mylotta became a franchise left. TACKLE i also
42:16
Speaker 1: was thinking probably a little difficult to get one of
42:19
Speaker 1: these guys that have never played, football because you have
42:21
Speaker 1: to Give think about if you're listening to this and
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Speaker 1: you're twenty, five you're thirty or thirty five years, old
42:28
Speaker 1: and you went to, work you get a job and they're,
42:32
Speaker 1: like here's you're DOING, X y AND, z and you're,
42:35
Speaker 1: like by the, WAY i don't know how to. Read
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Speaker 1: can someone teach me how to? Read like they look
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Speaker 1: to do all this, stuff BUT i can't. Read someone
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Speaker 1: have to teach you how to. Read think about at
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Speaker 1: the most basic level of this guy going to The,
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Speaker 1: eagles he knows. NOTHING i, MEAN i would imagine over
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Speaker 1: the course of the last however many months he's learned
42:59
Speaker 1: some of the rules and, stuff BUT i mean there
43:03
Speaker 1: is a level of he's starting to ground. Zero so
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Speaker 1: my guess would be is The eagles have some of
43:10
Speaker 1: the younger, coaches lowest guy on the totem pole that
43:14
Speaker 1: over the course of the offseason in training camp just
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Speaker 1: spend some time with this, guy essentially teaching him how to,
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Speaker 1: read you, know the equivalent in, football because even if
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Speaker 1: you're raw and unpolished and need a lot of work
43:28
Speaker 1: and you get drafted in the sixth round From, cincinnati
43:32
Speaker 1: you still know how to play, football. Right you know
43:35
Speaker 1: what a stance depending on what your position. Is you
43:38
Speaker 1: know the basic. Requirements this guy doesn't know any of.
43:42
Speaker 1: That so if he, hits and they hit on multiple,
43:48
Speaker 1: guys it's one of the crazier stories of all. TIME
43:52
Speaker 1: i Thought Diego pavia did not get. DRAFTED i think
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Speaker 1: he's First Heisman trophy winner ever read that. CORRECTLY i
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Speaker 1: probably should have screenshot of that headline. SAW i saw
44:03
Speaker 1: it yesterday WHEN i was play a little golf enjoying
44:05
Speaker 1: myself in the. Afternoon but he's getting a tryout with The,
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Speaker 1: ravens AND i Think schrager or someone said this on.
44:12
Speaker 1: Television diego talked about this when he was With. GRUDEN
44:17
Speaker 1: i think it's very important when you're a younger person
44:20
Speaker 1: to have some self. Awareness, clearly you're gonna have an
44:25
Speaker 1: ego and be. Cocky when you're a star college football
44:27
Speaker 1: player and you plan on going to THE, nfl you
44:30
Speaker 1: should have a pretty deep belief in, yourself, right and
44:36
Speaker 1: have some self like assurance intrinsically that Like i'm gonna
44:43
Speaker 1: make it happen Because i've always made it. HAPPEN i
44:45
Speaker 1: don't blame anyone for thinking like. That but if it's
44:48
Speaker 1: pretty clear and everyone's telling you you're not gonna get drafted, high,
44:53
Speaker 1: well if you don't get drafted, high you don't get to.
44:55
Speaker 1: Start AND i Guess Diego, pavia who, won isn't in credible.
45:00
Speaker 1: Story he was so much fun to watch At. Vanderbilt
45:03
Speaker 1: he'll resurrect that. PROGRAM i respect he didn't get AN nil.
45:08
Speaker 1: Agent he just dealt straight with THE gm and the
45:10
Speaker 1: head coach At vandy made his. Money, LIKE i respect.
45:14
Speaker 1: HIM i respected him his. Play he doesn't have MANY nfl,
45:18
Speaker 1: attributes but people are gonna root for guys like, that,
45:22
Speaker 1: Right even in THE, NFL a lot of, people most
45:25
Speaker 1: coaches in the, league assistants or head, coaches were not
45:29
Speaker 1: Like Mike vrabel starting On Super bowl. Teams most guys
45:33
Speaker 1: like barely made it in college. Football look at you,
45:37
Speaker 1: Know Ben johnson Or Joe. BRADY i, mean these guys
45:40
Speaker 1: were small school or backups that just love ball that
45:45
Speaker 1: they root for guys that did what they couldn't, Do
45:49
Speaker 1: Like diego pave is gonna have a human connection with
45:51
Speaker 1: a lot of guys throughout the league of just LIKE
45:54
Speaker 1: i respect that guy's. Story but when you show up
45:57
Speaker 1: or they talk to you or your assistant coaches and you, say,
46:01
Speaker 1: like are you cool with being a? Backup Like i'm
46:03
Speaker 1: coming to your team to win the starting quarterback. Job
46:06
Speaker 1: part of being a backup is you got to understanding the.
46:09
Speaker 1: Backup and by all, accounts he told EVERYONE i plan
46:12
Speaker 1: on starting WHEREVER i. Go it's, like you're not that
46:15
Speaker 1: comfortable bringing that attitude into the building when you're gonna
46:19
Speaker 1: start repping with like the threes in the. Force SO
46:22
Speaker 1: i Think Diego pavia didn't do him itself any. Favors
46:25
Speaker 1: and it's just pretty crazy that this guy is only
46:29
Speaker 1: getting a. Tryout you, know rookie mini camp. Comes all
46:33
Speaker 1: the guys you draft are just on the team at
46:36
Speaker 1: rookie mini. Camp you're undrafted free agents or on the
46:39
Speaker 1: team as they had to you, know throughout the. Offseason
46:42
Speaker 1: when you're a tryout, player your contract is for those
46:45
Speaker 1: couple of days and UNLESS i sign you to the
46:48
Speaker 1: equivalent of an undrafted free agent contract after you're. Done
46:52
Speaker 1: so there now we have seen historically guys started, tryouts
46:58
Speaker 1: go on make the, team have long. Careers it, doesn't you,
47:01
Speaker 1: know necessarily block you from making the team or being
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Speaker 1: AN nfl player one. Day but it is an uphill,
47:07
Speaker 1: battle And Diego pavia has an uphill, battle AND i
47:10
Speaker 1: think some of it was a little self. Inflicted it
47:14
Speaker 1: was Like shador last, year he wouldn't even interview with.
47:17
Speaker 1: Teams that was. Different shador was a much BETTER nfl
47:20
Speaker 1: prospect Than Diego. Pavia like the Short shador should have
47:25
Speaker 1: been a second day pick yesterday or last. Year but
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Speaker 1: every team he would tell, well he wouldn't tell him
47:31
Speaker 1: anthing because he refused to talk to. Anybody if you
47:32
Speaker 1: had a started, quarterback he, wouldn't he wouldn't interview with.
47:34
Speaker 1: You Diego pavio was doing the. Opposite he was interviewed
47:37
Speaker 1: with everybody and just telling him How i'm your. Starter
47:41
Speaker 1: just let's pump the brakes a. Little speaking Of Shador,
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Speaker 1: dion and this IS i think for two, guys And
47:50
Speaker 1: dion's been there, longer and it's less embarrassing Because dion
47:54
Speaker 1: just Had Travis hunter go number two, overall But Travis
47:58
Speaker 1: hunter was essentially like his, son so like part of
48:03
Speaker 1: the Reason Travis hunter Falled dion around like they had
48:05
Speaker 1: a very very close personal. Relationship he feels Like Shador
48:09
Speaker 1: shiloh in that. Family and then this year those guys
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Speaker 1: leave And colorado is no one, drafted and part Of
48:18
Speaker 1: dion is, LIKE i need the dynamic recruiter landing. Guys,
48:24
Speaker 1: now some of that has factored in With, nil but
48:26
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of people questioning Is dion
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Speaker 1: recruiting hard enough in the sense that he never goes
48:33
Speaker 1: into a, home WHICH i think in this day and
48:37
Speaker 1: age is way less. Crazy it would have been impossible
48:40
Speaker 1: ten years, ago it's definitely more feasible. Now BUT i
48:45
Speaker 1: would guess if we just went around the top ten
48:47
Speaker 1: coaches in the, Country Marcus, Freeman Dan, Lanning Mario, Christobal Ryan, Day,
48:54
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart Lane, kiffin like they've spent a lot of
48:57
Speaker 1: time in homes over the course of the last. Year
49:00
Speaker 1: it's kind of. Important and they didn't have a guy.
49:03
Speaker 1: Drafted neither Did North, carolina and Unlike, Dion bill does
49:08
Speaker 1: not have some huge dynamic personality as a. Recruiter but
49:12
Speaker 1: you would think if they're willing to, pay they would
49:16
Speaker 1: be able to land some transfer portal, guys AND i
49:19
Speaker 1: think there is a ton of pressure on these two
49:21
Speaker 1: guys this year TO i saw the attendance In colorado
49:26
Speaker 1: every single year in the spring game has, diminished AND
49:29
Speaker 1: i think the buzz coming in on the season On
49:31
Speaker 1: Bill belichick couldn't be any. WORSE i think the expectations
49:35
Speaker 1: are like that we Didn't, Eveik you're gonna make it
49:36
Speaker 1: to a bowl. Game so if you go back to
49:39
Speaker 1: back years and get No one drafted in a sport
49:42
Speaker 1: where everyone moves teams every single, offseason be pretty. Embarrassing
49:46
Speaker 1: ending to the. CAREER i saw That Eric DaCosta said
49:51
Speaker 1: That Steve buscatti told, HIM I i just don't really
49:54
Speaker 1: want to draft a. PLAYER i want to draft a,
49:56
Speaker 1: player And DaCosta was, Like, bro you owned the. Team
50:00
Speaker 1: if you want a draft a, guy you can draft.
50:01
Speaker 1: Guys i'll do it in the later. Rounds so he
50:04
Speaker 1: had a pet project And, randall the running back From.
50:08
Speaker 1: CLEMSON i THINK i guess he watched. Film he started
50:11
Speaker 1: making some scouting, calls And Steve bushatti drafted a player
50:16
Speaker 1: in the fifth. ROUND i was thinking IF i was
50:19
Speaker 1: an owner of a, team WHEN i would be pretty hands,
50:23
Speaker 1: Off i'd be In, Cabo i'd be In. ITALY i
50:29
Speaker 1: would BE i would be living my best. Life Where's Middle?
50:32
Speaker 1: Coop he's probably had a gusta playing The. Masters you
50:35
Speaker 1: know he's a member there Where' John, oh he's probably
50:38
Speaker 1: somewhere In europe on a beach or a. Yacht LIKE
50:41
Speaker 1: i would not be a practice every fucking day. Zero
50:45
Speaker 1: IF i owned a team with billions of, dollars MEANING
50:48
Speaker 1: i was a, billionaire you would not catch me at a
50:51
Speaker 1: rookie mini. Camp i'll promise you, that or some of
50:54
Speaker 1: these training camp practices that are one hundred and ten
50:57
Speaker 1: degrees be there on game, day paying my pece full.
51:00
Speaker 1: Premium run the. Franchise but every once in, While i'd
51:02
Speaker 1: probably want to pet project like this keep me, engaged
51:05
Speaker 1: SO i think it's. Cool other than, that it, ends it.
51:13
Speaker 1: Ends so hopefully next year's draft is a little bit.
51:16
Speaker 1: Better i'm always. Hesitant though everyone's saying it's gonna be
51:20
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback draft of all, time you just never.
51:24
Speaker 1: Know we have seen so many recent. Examples Jaden daniels
51:32
Speaker 1: is like a mid round, pick then he wins The
51:34
Speaker 1: heismans goes number two. Overall no one could have Pointed
51:37
Speaker 1: Joe burrow out of the lineup BESIDE lsu. Fans he
51:40
Speaker 1: had the greatest season in the history of college. Football
51:43
Speaker 1: was a no doubt about, it number one pick going
51:46
Speaker 1: into that. Season think about how crazy this is the you,
51:51
Speaker 1: know suck for. Luck it was tank For. Tua Baker
51:55
Speaker 1: mayfield had been a multiple year. Starter he was an
51:58
Speaker 1: awesome college. Player no one would have imagined going into
52:02
Speaker 1: a senior year who would turn out to be the
52:04
Speaker 1: number one overall. PICK i don't Even i'd never even
52:07
Speaker 1: heard Of Patrick. MAHOMES i wasn't watching that Much Texas
52:12
Speaker 1: tech back. Then they had a game Against Arizona state
52:14
Speaker 1: where it was like seventy five to sixty incredible. Game
52:18
Speaker 1: SO i remember watching him one, time but their team
52:20
Speaker 1: was a. Joke you just never, know and you do
52:24
Speaker 1: know position players like we know there's a good, tackle
52:27
Speaker 1: we know there's a good, corner we know there's multiple
52:29
Speaker 1: sweet wide. Receivers you, know position players are years out
52:34
Speaker 1: now they might have and. Flow you might think this
52:35
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be a top fifteen. Pick he ends up
52:37
Speaker 1: the thirty fifth pick or vice. Versa this guy's gonna
52:39
Speaker 1: be a first round or he ends up the top ten. Pick, well,
52:42
Speaker 1: quarterbacks things can change so. Dramatically everyone's Saying Arch banning
52:47
Speaker 1: is the number one overall. Pick i'm rooting for. HIM
52:51
Speaker 1: i want to see him be good AND i respect
52:53
Speaker 1: how much he improved as the season went, on but
52:56
Speaker 1: based on what we saw last. Year number one overall
52:59
Speaker 1: Pick Dante. Moore i'm a big. FAN i want to
53:03
Speaker 1: See oregon win the national. Championship never won the national.
53:06
Speaker 1: Championship they've had these great. Teams they have a loaded.
53:08
Speaker 1: ROSTER i think it'd be great for college, football but
53:12
Speaker 1: more kind of struggled in some big, games you, know
53:15
Speaker 1: kind of need to see a little bit. More sellers
53:18
Speaker 1: plays on a god awful team and he got banged
53:21
Speaker 1: up last. Year Sores. BY i mean a lot of
53:25
Speaker 1: pressure now On Texas tech because we know they buy
53:27
Speaker 1: a good. Team you just my point IS. Cj, carr
53:31
Speaker 1: look at their. Schedule the fucks they. Playing they're playing
53:34
Speaker 1: like The sisters of The poor in The school of The.
53:36
Speaker 1: Blind so let's just pump the. Brakes i'm excited and
53:41
Speaker 1: it's gonna be, exciting but there is no guarantee on
53:44
Speaker 1: any of these guys year to. Year this is not.
53:46
Speaker 1: Basketball we're two years. Out you, know the class is.
53:49
Speaker 1: Elite it's not how this works with quarterbacks because you
53:53
Speaker 1: truly get judged on the games and if you play
53:56
Speaker 1: shitty or have low. Expectations nessmeyer supposed to be the
54:00
Speaker 1: number one pick in the. Draft at this time last,
54:02
Speaker 1: Year Garrett nessmyer could be the number one pick in the.
54:04
Speaker 1: Draft he won the seventh. Round after that game Against
54:10
Speaker 1: Notre dame and he threw the, interception people, thought you,
54:13
Speaker 1: Know Drew aller can really Lead Penn, state get him
54:16
Speaker 1: back to the you know in the final Four national,
54:18
Speaker 1: championship he can be a first round. Pick it wasn't even.
54:21
Speaker 1: Close SO i think we gotta Be Carson BECK i
54:25
Speaker 1: thought was. UNDRAFTED i Thought Carson, beck no one who
54:29
Speaker 1: was going to draft the guy going into the. Year
54:31
Speaker 1: leads his team to the national championship game and they
54:33
Speaker 1: were right in it and played really good in the playoff.
54:36
Speaker 1: Games goes and what was was he the second round?
54:39
Speaker 1: Pick so it's just let's just not get ahead of.
54:42
Speaker 1: Ourselves audio else see you this. Week sliding the Mailbag
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