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"Trump's Pre-surrection Rally." · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett. This is the Polka Band. I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an accordion version of our theme song
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  Speaker 1: sent in by a fan, Dan Cantrell.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, Dan.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, Dan. You lonely freak.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, Ron DeSantis' performative cruelty wins rave reviews
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  Speaker 1: from the Republican base. Donald Trump goes full QAnon in Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: little game for us, Tommy.
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  Speaker 2: Great.
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  Speaker 1: out at crooked.com slash store. All right, let's get to
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  Speaker 1: the news. So Ron DeSantis certainly got the attention he
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  Speaker 1: wanted for luring Venezuelan asylum seekers onto a plane bound
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  Speaker 1: for Martha's Vineyard. The stunt got a ton of national coverage,
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  Speaker 1: got a response from President Biden, who accused DeSantis of
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  Speaker 1: playing politics with human beings. It got the MAGA media
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  Speaker 1: and base all excited. DeSantis apparently got standing ovations at
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  Speaker 1: campaign rallies for candidates in Kansas and Wisconsin over the weekend,
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  Speaker 1: where he said, the border is now an issue in
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  Speaker 1: these elections and promised to spend every penny of the
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  Speaker 1: $ 12 million that the Republican legislature in Florida gave him
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  Speaker 1: to transport migrants from the border, even though the law
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  Speaker 1: says he's supposed to only move people within his state.
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  Speaker 1: So Dan and I talked about this a little on
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  Speaker 1: Thursday's pod just as the news broke. But now that
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  Speaker 1: we know more, I want to get your reaction. DeSantis
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  Speaker 1: said in Kansas on Sunday that the 50 asylum seekers were, quote,
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  Speaker 1: given basically a lottery ticket to get to the wealthiest
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  Speaker 1: sanctuary jurisdiction in the country. Tommy, is that what happened?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Winning Powerball. It's the same thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: what an asshole.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, it It's not the biggest thing, but
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  Speaker 4: Martha's Vineyard in the winter is like a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: people who work there and live there.
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  Speaker 2: It's not some rich enclave all the time. It's out
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  Speaker 2: of season. It's out of season, but whatever. It's out
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  Speaker 2: of season, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But my reaction to this, I think, was what most
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  Speaker 4: people's was, was it was gross and cruel and callous.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, after family separation, nothing is surprising, but he's
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  Speaker 4: treating these families like objects, and that is dehumanizing, and
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  Speaker 4: it's too common. I think I was a little shocked
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  Speaker 4: at just how unsubtle of a political stunt it was.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, DeSantis was recruiting people in Texas.
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  Speaker 4: These folks weren't causing any trouble in Florida. But he
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  Speaker 4: went and recruited them and lied to manipulate to get
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  Speaker 4: them on the flight. Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas,
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  Speaker 4: has been busing asylum seekers to places like D.C. But
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  Speaker 4: to spend this much money on two charter planes because
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  Speaker 4: you are so thirsty to get involved in the border
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  Speaker 4: culture war. I mean, I think it shows what he
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  Speaker 4: thinks the political upside is, right? His politics are. He
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  Speaker 4: wants to be a part of this fight. And note,
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  Speaker 4: he didn't choose Nantucket or the Hamptons, because I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: that's where all those donors live.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was using human beings to shitpost. Very expensive. Also,
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  Speaker 2: then going back to, oh, they won a lottery ticket.
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  Speaker 2: They were treated so well when, of course, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: do anything to let anybody know they were coming. It
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  Speaker 2: was also incompetent. It was an incompetent little ruse that
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  Speaker 2: he did. And then it's amazing to me also how
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  Speaker 2: many people on the Internet are like, I think tricking
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  Speaker 2: vulnerable human beings and using them to surprise liberals like
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  Speaker 2: coiled snakes in a can of peanut brittle is good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's savvy.
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  Speaker 1: The stunt also fell apart sort of the more details emerged,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, as you mentioned, Tommy, that they basically
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  Speaker 1: were lied to. So these families, they stepped over the border.
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  Speaker 1: They surrendered to immigration officials, asked for asylum, as you're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to do, as is your legal right. They were
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  Speaker 1: waiting for courts to consider their cases. Legally, while you're
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  Speaker 1: waiting for the court to consider your asylum case, you're
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  Speaker 1: allowed to travel within the U.S. So then they were
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  Speaker 1: lured onto this plane with the promise that there would
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  Speaker 1: be jobs for them in Boston and that they could
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  Speaker 1: expedite their work papers there so they could get work
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  Speaker 1: permits while they're waiting for their asylum cases. So this
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  Speaker 1: is what they were told. Popular Info, a newsletter that
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  Speaker 1: Judd Legum writes. Found a brochure. They have a copy
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  Speaker 1: of a brochure that they were given. The brochure says
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  Speaker 1: that they would be given cash assistance, food, clothing, jobs,
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  Speaker 1: schools for their kids, housing. None of this shit was true.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and also I guess Tucker Carlson floated this idea
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  Speaker 4: a few months back on his show.
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  Speaker 2: One.
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  Speaker 4: Two, we know that DeSantis previewed it with his donors
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  Speaker 4: at the Four Seasons in Orlando before he actually did it.
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  Speaker 2: And then last, I just think it's worth watching. He'll
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  Speaker 2: probably do this again. but I doubt you will see
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  Speaker 2: him pack a charter flight full of Ukrainian refugees. It
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  Speaker 2: will be Central and South American refugees. Yeah, and it's
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  Speaker 2: loading flights up in Texas using Florida money to fill
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  Speaker 2: a plane up with people in Texas to fly it
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  Speaker 2: to Massachusetts, which is illegal.
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  Speaker 1: And the other consequence for these families is, and their
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  Speaker 1: lawyer was saying this on TV, a lot of them
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  Speaker 1: are now thousands of miles away from where they're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to check in as you're supposed to do every so
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  Speaker 1: often when you're waiting for your asylum case to be
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  Speaker 1: heard in court. And now these people are thousands of
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  Speaker 1: miles away, and that could negatively impact whether they are
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  Speaker 1: granted asylum because he moved them so far away from
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  Speaker 1: where they're supposed to go. These people were doing everything
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to do when you come and claim asylum.
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  Speaker 2: They're not here illegally.
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  Speaker 1: They did everything you're supposed to do, and he has
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  Speaker 1: tried to make them illegal. Is it possible that DeSantis
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  Speaker 1: broke the law with this stunt?
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  Speaker 2: So, it's an... I was looking into it, and there's
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of experts that want to say emphatically
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  Speaker 2: that he did or didn't break the law, in part
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  Speaker 2: because the laws weren't written thinking that a governor of
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  Speaker 2: a state would traffic vulnerable people for a political stunt, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like some human trafficking laws, they have an implication that
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  Speaker 2: he'd be doing it for his own financial benefit. Exploiting
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  Speaker 2: people for political benefit is not exactly a financial benefit.
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  Speaker 2: These people do seem to have been lied to. which does,
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  Speaker 2: you know, open you up to questions about whether this
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  Speaker 2: was some form of human trafficking. But it's not totally clear,
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  Speaker 2: but like at the very least, it does seem like
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  Speaker 2: he clearly violated the law around what this money was for,
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  Speaker 2: which was about moving people from within Florida. And I actually,
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  Speaker 2: it's not the most important part because it's also despicable,
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  Speaker 2: but this whole exercise is about generating headlines about how
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  Speaker 2: tough he is on undocumented people, on illegal immigration. There
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  Speaker 2: are undocumented people in Florida. Why go to all this
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  Speaker 2: trouble to round people up in Texas, trick them in
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  Speaker 2: Texas and fly them to Massachusetts? Just a strange, it's
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  Speaker 2: a strange aspect of this story. The fact that it's
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  Speaker 2: incompetent and kind of a bank shop because he had
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  Speaker 2: to go pick up some, he had to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: go to the U.S.-Mexico border to get this done is
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  Speaker 2: beside the point because of the cruelty. is the thing
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  Speaker 2: at issue. The stunt is what's at issue. But the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing is just fucking bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's because that's where most of the asylum
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  Speaker 1: seekers are coming.
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  Speaker 2: Well, right, of course.
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  Speaker 1: And the influx at the border is due to more
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  Speaker 1: people seeking asylum than ever before, which is why.
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  Speaker 2: Which goes to the point of why this is all
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  Speaker 2: so ridiculous, because he's trying to make a point about
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  Speaker 2: how horrible immigration and undocumented immigration is for Florida. He
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  Speaker 2: can't get this stunt together on his own soil.
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  Speaker 1: There's a Boston-based legal organization called Lawyers for Civil Rights
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  Speaker 1: who wrote to the U.S. Attorney Rachel Rollins and Massachusetts
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  Speaker 1: Attorney General Maura Healey calling for a formal investigation. They're
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  Speaker 1: saying that potential laws that were violated are depriving clients
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  Speaker 1: of civil rights, interfering with federal immigration proceedings, potential violations
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  Speaker 1: of the Massachusetts Civil Rights Act, and other applicable criminal laws.
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  Speaker 1: So you're right. They haven't gone after trafficking or kidnapping
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that. I don't think that qualifies. But
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  Speaker 1: people are calling on DOJ. They're trying to find it.
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  Speaker 1: They're trying to find it.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's looking at this and being like, there ought to
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  Speaker 2: be a law.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it seems pretty fucking crazy. All right. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not all that surprising that the right-wing
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  Speaker 1: media and the base loves this stunt. Tommy, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think the politics are beyond MAGA World?
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  Speaker 4: Beyond MAGA World, I think it's the immigration piece and
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  Speaker 4: it's also just the outrage from the liberals, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that's the real point. I think how you feel about
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  Speaker 4: the specifics of busing migrants to other parts of the
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  Speaker 4: country probably depends on where you live. There was a
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  Speaker 4: poll of Texas voters that found 51% of them supported
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  Speaker 4: Governor Abbott's busing program and only 35% opposed it. So unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: these draconian policies are more popular in border states. That said,
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  Speaker 4: I was very glad to read that there has been
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  Speaker 4: an angry reaction to this move from Latino voters in
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  Speaker 4: South Florida.
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  Speaker 2: That's probably because a lot of.
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  Speaker 4: Them are better versed in the humanitarian situation in Venezuela,
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  Speaker 4: where a lot of these people are from. Venezuelans, if
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  Speaker 4: you don't know, have had to live under authoritarian leaders
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  Speaker 4: like Hugo Chavez and now Nicolas Maduro for decades. Those
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  Speaker 4: guys have crushed dissent. They lock up their political opponents.
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  Speaker 4: They pack the courts. They strip the legislature of powers.
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  Speaker 4: And because of the situation there, the government dysfunction, corruption, brutal,
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  Speaker 4: brutal U.S. sanctions on Venezuela, and then the pandemic on
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  Speaker 4: top of that, that has all created this humanitarian situation
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  Speaker 4: that is unbelievably dire.
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  Speaker 2: It's essentially a failed state. People are starving to death.
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  Speaker 4: Hospitals don't have like gauze, saline solution, like basic supplies
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  Speaker 4: that lose power.
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  Speaker 2: And the U.S.
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  Speaker 4: Policy towards Venezuela has been a mess. There was this
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  Speaker 4: weird coup attempt during the Trump administration that included some
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  Speaker 4: former U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Troops. Nobody ever got to the bottom of that.
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  Speaker 4: Both Trump and Biden recognize a different guy as president
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  Speaker 4: named Juan Guaido.
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  Speaker 2: Remember, he was raised in the State of the Union.
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  Speaker 4: So long story short, like the United States and our
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  Speaker 4: policies has helped create a situation where where millions of
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  Speaker 4: Venezuelans had no other choice but to flee the country.
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  Speaker 4: I've seen estimates between four and a half and seven
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  Speaker 4: million people have fled the country. These folks went 3,000
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  Speaker 4: miles to get to Texas. They absolutely could qualify for
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  Speaker 4: political asylum. And you're supposed to have these Republicans who demagogue,
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  Speaker 4: in particular, leftist dictators like Maduro. But in this case,
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  Speaker 4: Ron DeSantis is punishing the children who are clearly the
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  Speaker 4: victims of the leftist leaders in Venezuela that he says
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  Speaker 4: are the enemy, right? That he's going to defend people against.
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  Speaker 4: So people are seeing through his bullshit here. We'll see
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  Speaker 4: if it sticks, but it did make me a little
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  Speaker 4: more hopeful to see that there's been a backlash. And Charlie,
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  Speaker 4: Chris is trying to jump on that because he's running
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  Speaker 4: against DeSantis in his reelection.
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  Speaker 1: I think the, it's such an interesting poll that you
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  Speaker 1: cited in Texas about people at the border approving of this,
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  Speaker 1: because there is, there is a real problem with, that
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  Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis is trying to exploit for his own political
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  Speaker 1: purposes here, which is that our immigration system is broken
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  Speaker 1: and our asylum process is a big part of why
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  Speaker 1: we now have more than 660,000 pending asylum cases in
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  Speaker 1: the United States that reflect a huge increase in migration,
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  Speaker 1: not just from countries like Venezuela, but from other Central
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  Speaker 1: and South American countries where there are similar political challenges.
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  Speaker 1: where people are fleeing from repression and violence.
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  Speaker 4: And situations often exacerbated by U.S. policies, by the way, right?
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  Speaker 4: Like take El Salvador. There's this guy, Nayib Bukele, who's
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  Speaker 4: the president. There's a huge concern about MS-13 and other
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  Speaker 4: gangs there. Those gangs started in places like Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 4: Then we deported all those gang members, United States did
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  Speaker 4: under the Clinton, back to El Salvador. And lo and behold, they...
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  Speaker 4: fired up the gangs again. And it's become literally like
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  Speaker 4: it's a war zone in some cities.
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: In some parts of the country.
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  Speaker 1: But in an alternate universe where U.S. policy has been
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  Speaker 1: perfect towards all these countries, we're going to have for
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  Speaker 1: decades to come now climate refugees.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to get worse.
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  Speaker 1: Also from all different parts of the world, right? So
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  Speaker 1: there's never going to be a shortage of migrants and
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  Speaker 1: asylum seekers coming to the United States. And the current
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  Speaker 1: wait time for an asylum hearing right now is four
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  Speaker 1: and a half years for an asylum hearing in this country.
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  Speaker 1: And so we don't we don't have enough capacity in
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  Speaker 1: the courts to do this. And the problem is so
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  Speaker 1: many people are legitimately seeking asylum. And when you can't
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  Speaker 1: get to those people and because there's just so many
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  Speaker 1: people at the border and what you do when they
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  Speaker 1: come over and when they step over the border and
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  Speaker 1: say that they're seeking asylum and then you let them
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  Speaker 1: into the interior of the country, then they're going to
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  Speaker 1: end up not in a lot of these places like
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  Speaker 1: fucking Martha's Vineyard, but they're going to end up in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the border communities. And that's a real
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  Speaker 1: struggle for people in those communities to have that many
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  Speaker 1: people there who don't have citizenship, who don't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: have work permits. Like it's a real, it's a real
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  Speaker 1: honest to God challenge. Now, how do you solve that challenge?
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  Speaker 1: Comprehensive fucking immigration reform, which Republicans refuse to engage in
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  Speaker 1: because all they want to do is deport everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Just want to build a wall and that's it.
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  Speaker 1: So it's tough. And it's I mean, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I do not envy the Biden administration. We have the
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  Speaker 1: same problem, the Obama administration, too. Like, it's just it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a real difficult problem.
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  Speaker 2: Also, not a problem that disappeared during the four years
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  Speaker 2: of the Trump administration. No, it was not, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not at all.
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  Speaker 1: That's a very good point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: So, like, Republican candidates are clearly trying to shift the
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  Speaker 1: conversation away from issues like abortion, things like Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 1: by playing the old hits here on immigration. How do
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  Speaker 1: you think Democrats should handle this?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think some version of what we, you
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  Speaker 4: just talked about, John, has to be the lead of
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  Speaker 4: the answer. Like, I think we have to take it
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  Speaker 4: head on and say the immigration system is broken because
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  Speaker 4: it is, and it has been for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: And the way to fix it is through some sort
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  Speaker 4: of bipartisan compromise in Washington. But frankly, that feels further
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  Speaker 4: away now than it did 10 years ago. So we're
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  Speaker 4: in a bad place. But where I would go to
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  Speaker 4: after that is to call out DeSantis for this being
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  Speaker 4: a political stunt. He stole the idea from Tucker Carlson.
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  Speaker 4: He told his donors before he did it, he recruited
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  Speaker 4: people from a different state. wasted Florida money to create
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  Speaker 4: a political stunt. He's a typical politician and a hack.
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  Speaker 4: And like, that's where I would go with it because
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  Speaker 4: I think that weakens him. I think calling him a
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  Speaker 4: fascist or calling him a human trafficker is not the
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  Speaker 4: strongest political messaging, even if it's true, because DeSantis' base
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  Speaker 4: will like those headlines. It will remind them of all
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  Speaker 4: the things the left said about Trump. I want to
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  Speaker 4: call him a hack politician who's so desperate to be
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  Speaker 4: president that he will harm children if it helps him.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: That's where I would go. I don't have any data
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  Speaker 4: to back this up. I would like to see some tested,
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  Speaker 4: but that's what.
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  Speaker 2: I would do.
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  Speaker 1: I completely agree with that. I think in general, people,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at polling on immigration and where the
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  Speaker 1: country is, where the country has been for some time,
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  Speaker 1: people want an immigration system that works and is fair.
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  Speaker 1: Most people in this country are welcoming to new immigrants
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  Speaker 1: who want to work and make a life for themselves,
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  Speaker 1: but they don't want people to skip the line or
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  Speaker 1: abuse the system. That's like where everyone has been in
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  Speaker 1: this country. And so if you lead by talking about
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: the broken immigration system and saying, look, Democrats, of course,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: want to work. to fix the immigration system. Republicans want
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: to deport everyone and not have anyone be able to
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: seek asylum. That's where the Republican party is now in immigration.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: That's not where most people are in the country.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: There's also a lot of history in the US and
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: in other countries of when governments don't take systemic action
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: to manage big immigration flows like this, it can radicalize
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: people and tilt them to the right. You saw this
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: during the European migration crisis. Remember that it was an
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: island in Greece that I think was awarded for the
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: Nobel Peace Prize because all these fishermen were taking their boats,
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: going out, rescuing people. A few years later, those people
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: were pushing folks back into the water, right? You know
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: what I'm, it's not like, I'm not trying to make
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: this simplistic, but like something very different changed in the
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: sentiment and the government needs to take a holistic approach
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: and address it or else we're going to end up
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: in a dark place. And unfortunately that dark place helps
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Republicans because all they want are these draconian policies.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: It is the issue that has been driving right-wing populism
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: all around the world, right? It is a, it's a,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: it's a, and it's not going away. Speaking of Trump,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: there's a thinly sourced Rolling Stone story that says the
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: former president is fuming that DeSantis allegedly stole the idea
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: for the stunt from Trump. Whether or not this is true, Lovett,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: what do you make of DeSantis trying to out-MAGA Trump here?
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, first of all, whether or not it's true,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know what Rolling Stone is anymore. It's just
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: fan fiction at this point. Yeah, look, Trump thinks every
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: idea is his. Maybe this is true. I don't want
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: to denigrate the sources. I don't know. But it really
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: can't be Trump's idea because it's not DeSantis' idea. It's
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: not Trump's idea. The idea of rounding up people you
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: don't like from your town and putting them on a
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: bus to another place and saying, ha ha, I sent
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: them there. That's not new. People have been doing that
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: for a long time. Mayors have been doing that a
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: long time. All across. Mayors have. They would quietly, you know,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: they would give people bus tickets to get homeless people
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: out of their towns and take shit from the next
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: state over. for shipping. I mean, people there have been, but.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: You could, but you could see Trump thinking that this
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: is his original idea.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: That's all that matters.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: I don't think he genuinely, yeah, this is not, this
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: is not a student of history. We're talking about, yes,
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: I can absolutely believe. I believe right now, Trump believes
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: this is idea. I believe Trump thinks most ideas are
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: his idea. If they work, he thinks he came up
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: with survivor.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: He's had a lot of good ideas over the years. The, um, yeah,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: DeSantis doing his Trump impression kind of, signaling to the
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Republican base and to Republican elites, like, I'm Trump, but
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I'm better at it. I'm smarter. I'm more sophisticated. I
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: have more control over the levers of power. I actually
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: think it's a fair case. I think that's what he
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: is doing. He is a more sophisticated version of Trump.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: He is better able to wield the power of the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: state to achieve Trumpist ends without a lot of the mess.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: The problem is he doesn't have the thing that both
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: makes Trump such a menace, but also such an undisciplined
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: kind of fool when it mess charisma.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Charisma.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: You say it. It's charisma. Trump has more charisma than DeSantis.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: You know, look, there's a little smile at the corner
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: of Trump's mouth that says, I know all this is
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: fucking bullshit. And it lessens what he does. It gives
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: people the space to enjoy the show, which DeSantis just
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't have. The line readings are terrible.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Well, the other thing Trump had in 2016 that Jamel
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Bowie points out in his New York Times piece about
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: this is he was a huge celebrity.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: And the way that people came into contact with that
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: celebrity was in places like the Celebrity Apprentice and Home
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Alone 2 and bullshit like that. Ron DeSantis doesn't have
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that softer edge to him.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I think we do.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: No one's going to.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: I watched DeSantis' Miami National Conservatism conference speech. First of all,
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: it was an hour long.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: A full hour. No Q & A. A full hour.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: That's very Trumpish.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: What he does have, he doesn't have the name ID.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: He doesn't have the celebrity. He doesn't have a sense
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: of humor. He doesn't necessarily have a sense of empathy
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: or personality that I can tell. He does have the
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: thing that governors all have, which is selling a record.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: He's like, I'm great for business. He talks about some
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: of that piece of it, people moving from California to Florida.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: But it's all. a culture war.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: He's attacking vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, crime in Portland and California,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: railing against to fund the police. Then he goes to
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: the immigration. Then he talks about fighting CRT in the classroom,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: but also in businesses. And that's how he gets into
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: his whole fight with Disney. Apparently Florida made November 7th
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: a day where they teach kids about the horrors inflicted
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: by communist regimes. So that's a thing he did. I
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: think it was Fauci, transistor athletes, big tech. But if
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: you were to summarize the message in one line, it's like,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: I will fight the libs for you.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, the question I have is what we were
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: just talking about with the celebrity and the charisma, that
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: matters for sure for a general election. If DeSantis is
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: only trying to win a Republican primary against Donald Trump,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I think the question is, like, can he give the base,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the grievance politics that they love from Trump, but without
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the baggage and with maybe a little less overt narcissism
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: so that, you know, with Trump, everything's about Trump?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: And can DeSantis give them that? And I don't know
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: for sure. I have not decided on this.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think we know. I think it does a
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: little bit depend on events. Like, it depends on what's
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: happening legally with Trump in the coming year. It depends
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: on just how strong Trump seems. Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I saw someone tweet like, oh, this idea of a
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: competition between DeSantis and Trump is all well and good
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: until they both get on a Republican primary debate stage together.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And Trump calls him Miss Florida. And that's that.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Completely petty. Yeah. You know, it's it's funny. It's like
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I think we just truly don't know. I think I
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: think DeSantis, you know, DeSantis is a different breed. I
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: think he's a tougher he's a tougher, more sophisticated opponent
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: for Trump than Rubio is. or certainly Jeb Bush, or
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Ted Cruz, or Scott Walker, or Chris Christie, or any
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: of the others that fell by the fucking wayside. I
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: think he's a different animal, and I think we just
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: literally don't know. But the lack of a personality, man,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: it's tough on that stage when that's all it becomes about.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, to say this is at least like,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Trump was playing on one field in 2016 in that
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: primary and everyone else was playing on the sort of old,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: the old field, the old game, the old rules. And
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: now DeSantis is playing on Trump's field. But I do,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: you know, it was interesting. There was an NBC poll
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: that came out over the weekend or maybe today that
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: had Trump's approval down to like 34%. I'm right. So
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: he's like clinging to a really hardcore base. And I
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: think that is all he's got.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: One more point on DeSantis, which to his credit, obviously, Uh,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: just let me, I think it's clear. I don't like,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: I don't like Ron to say you're a big fan.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Uh, he has, he is, he does have a Trump,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: a Trump kind of knack for PR cycles. He is
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: very good at that. He's better at it than any
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: other Republican. He really is better than Abbott, right? Abbott's
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: been trying to get this news cycle for months. He
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: thought I sent, I, uh, I sent these vulnerable people.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I don't give a shit about the Kamala Harris's house
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and getting anything. He said Martha's vineyard got it done.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And so DeSantis has a kind of knack that's very
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: similar to Trump that none of the other Republicans have had.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Speaking of holding on to that base from Trump, the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: GOP frontrunner also held a rally over the weekend that
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: got a little weird. Here's the lead of the New
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: York Times story about it. Former President Donald J. Trump
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: appeared to more fully embrace QAnon on Saturday, playing a
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: song at a political rally in Ohio that prompted attendees
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to respond with a salute in reference to the cult-like
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: conspiracy's theme song. Let's take a listen to the moment
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: in that speech.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: We will stand up to the radical left lunatics and rhinos,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: and we will fight for America like no one has
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: ever fought before. There is no mountain we cannot climb.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: There is no summit we cannot reach. We will make
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: America strong again. We will make America proud again. We
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: will make America safe again. And we will make America
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: great again. Thank you, Ohio.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, so what the hell?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: First of all, yeah, honestly, I'm in. A soundtrack's a
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: great idea. Look, I'm like very frustrated. I like, my
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: friend Sam, if you're listening. Give Lovett a soundtrack, Granger.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: You text me. You text me.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Text me to confirm.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Text me to confirm. I feel like 20 years ago,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, they're going to put soundtracks during speeches
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: live and somebody's going to figure out a technology to
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: have the soundtrack go along with the speech. Make it yackety-sax.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: And that's going to change that. It's not going to
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: be yackety-fucking-sax. That's the Queen's funeral music. Well, the live
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: musicians use, yeah, they're good. You could do a really
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: cool speech with soundtrack thing. Yeah.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Anyway, what do you think was up with that?
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: The Trump team says it's a song called Mirrors, but
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: it sounds like a QAnon anthem called WWG1WGA, which is
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: short for Where We Go One, We Go All.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Come on, you said it. Yeah, you act like you
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: didn't know it. I mean, I don't know why they
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: were doing the weird Hunger Games. I think it's for one,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Where We Go, Where We Go One.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Well, so some people say it was a QAnon motto,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Where We Go One, Where We Go All, which is
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: a line they stole from the movie White Squall.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Remember?
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: No, I don't remember that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Great flick.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Check it out. They also got the thing about the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: adrenochrome from Hunter S. Thompson from Fear and Loathing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Some people say, look, this is kind of the vibe
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: you see in a lot of conservative evangelical churches. Maybe
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: it's like there's one God. That was one of the theories.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Fucking weird either way.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I think he's like, what weird thing can I do
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: to keep this hardcore QAnon base with me and not
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Ron DeSantis?
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, two points. Point number one, I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: do think it was just a one for Q. I
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: think that's what it was. Uh, I think it's, uh,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: it's a little late. It's sort of like, um, uh, uh,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: you know, it's, it feels a little bit like, uh,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: trying to get playing the music for the band that
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: broke up already. Like it feels like a little, he's
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: a little late on the Q front. But then I
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: was thinking like, man, if you're worried about needing to
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: be broken out of a federal prison by an angry mob,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a group of Q supporters is not the worst people
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: to have on your side. I mean, as we learned.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Look, so he's always been a QAnon curious.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Uh, we, we know that this isn't like the first
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: time he's done something like this, but last week he also, uh,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: truth to picture of himself wearing a Q pin on
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: his label under the words, the storm is coming, which, uh,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: for those of you who aren't familiar, of course, refers
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to the moment that QAnon followers believe that Trump will
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: return to power after arresting and executing his political enemies
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: live on television. Very normal, cool stuff. Um, like, is
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: he just trying to get attention here? Do you think
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: he's just trying to hold onto that base? Clearly the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: effect of this is, uh, excusing violence.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think that like there's no
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: group of I think let's not think of them as
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Q supporters that are backing Trump. And let's think of
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: them as presurrectionists. That's how I think they're fanatical. He
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: wants them on his side for whatever is to come.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: They're a good part of their their. They'll show up.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: People that come at his rallies are his friends.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: They're his DeSantis insurance. He won't go here. He won't
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: go here.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: If you're looking for things to retweet on Truth Social,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: it's probably hard to avoid Q content, right?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's why the majority, it's a safe space
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: for Q content.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Tommy. Did you say retweet? It's retruth?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Retruth. I'm sorry. I apologize.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: These people, like what they are, what the Q people are,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: these white Christian nationalists who have been conditioned to to
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: prepare their whole lives for this end of days apocalyptic event.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: And like, that's why, oh, how would these Christians support Trump?
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: He's unfaithful, he's profane, he's this, he's that.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Like, they don't care.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: They view him as a vessel for their crazy political
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: right-wing evangelical agenda, and the ends justify the means for them.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: One other point, too. Look, I think the embracing of
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Q is very strange. Everyone holding up one finger. I
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: don't like the vibe. Yeah. But, you know, there was
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: a group of people holding up a hand, almost like
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: an evangelical prayer at a Doug Mastriano event in Pennsylvania.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: The people were like, it's a Nazi salute. And everyone said,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: this is a Nazi salute. I know it's been a while,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: but everything Trump does, all these guys do isn't new.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: They've been doing weird oaths, having people raise their hand,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: having people say things in unison. They've been doing this
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: fascistic stuff now for five years. This isn't that much
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: of an escalation. I think the full embracing of Q is...
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: But getting a group of fucking wackadoos.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: It's all bad.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: It's all bad.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: It's all bad.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that seem to have short memories.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: There was an insurrection. It was violent.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: We could get another one again.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: It's all bad. Of course.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Every once in a while, you go to a religious event.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: You haven't been in a while. Maybe it's a church.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's a christening. And the priest asks you to
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: raise your hand. If you get it at the wrong angle,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: people can take very bad photos of you.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: You cannot share it. We're not going to share it
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't exist.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I may or may not.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Hey, Tommy, we can't share it because it doesn't exist
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: because there is no photo of you at the christening
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: for a baby in which you went full fucking heil
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: hitler by accident i was trying to worship in the
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: way i was told but i'm not it was wild
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: it's wild it was wild i do think laura ingram
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: did the nazi salute though i believe that i'm sorry
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: you've said that before i do i'm sorry i just
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: think it was what you.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Did you've had a you've had a you've had a
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: position on this.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah i think it just i was a little too anyway.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Remember the debate last week about how joe biden used
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the word semi-fascism which was in in hindsight polite yeah
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: yeah the problem with that was the semi yeah yeah
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: That's fair. Anyway.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: He gave Trump a semi. Boo. Boo, boo, boo.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Keep that in. Keep that in, as they say. All right,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: when we come back, I talk to Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Tony. Adults listen to this. Hey, put a little
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: space before Tony Evers.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe a little boo.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Can you put a little music under this?
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Joining us now.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: John, sorry, one quick. Governor, I think you might be
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: chewing gum.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just finishing eating.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I'm just finishing eating an almond.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: How dare you? How dare you disrespect the show, Governor?
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I should not have had an almond before I
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: got on the podcast.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: The poor guy's hungry. You're campaigning all day. You're Governor
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of the state. Come on.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: You can eat an almond.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: You got to power up. Okay.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Just making sure.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: It wasn't gum.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: Thanks.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Now that you've made it through the gauntlet.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: What else am I doing wrong?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I know. It's just... I'm like the principal.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Joining us now, the Democratic governor of Wisconsin, who's in
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: one of the country's most competitive midterm races, Tony Evers.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the pod.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad to be on the pod.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really not supposed to be here. We were just
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: discussing this. We don't care about the queen. Do you
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: care about the queen? American Americans are not supposed to
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: care about the queen. Didn't we fight a war about this?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we did. But I... I do care about the queen.
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  Speaker 3: She's been there so long. How can you not care
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  Speaker 3: for her or care that she's dead? No, I can
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: honestly say I haven't seen one bit of the news
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  Speaker 3: on that, and I probably won't. But it's just like
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: part of something that was always in the distance, the far,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: far distance for, you know, I've been around a long time,
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  Speaker 3: and she's been around longer than me. And so it's
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: just like, yeah, it's an issue. Maybe it's just my age.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: All right, fine.
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  Speaker 1: I have more sympathy than you do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Let's get some real questions. You've been governor of
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: one of the most gerrymandered states in the country where
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the Republican legislature hasn't just refused to cooperate with you
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  Speaker 1: on a whole bunch of legislation. They've tried to strip
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you of powers that other governors have had, prevent you
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  Speaker 1: from filling boards and commissions. Can you talk about, for
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: people who don't know, what it's been like to do
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  Speaker 1: your job under those conditions? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll use one example in particular. Yes, they have
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  Speaker 3: approved a whole bunch of my appointees. And one, I'll
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: give you an example, is the head of the Department
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: of Natural Resources Board. And because he is such a
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: stalwart on being kind of anti-natural resources, we can't get
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: We can't get standards sent for PFAS or other pollution
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  Speaker 3: because he's the key vote. And if he wasn't on
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  Speaker 3: the board, we would have all sorts of things accomplished.
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  Speaker 3: And right now, it's at a stalemate. So it's an
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  Speaker 3: important question about policy. And it's an important question around,
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  Speaker 3: by doing that, have they really transitioned from the last election?
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  Speaker 3: And I would say, for the most part, no.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I always wonder when I read these stories
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  Speaker 1: about Wisconsin, like, what's the way out here? Like, if
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you win, you'll be facing a Republican legislature, maybe even
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: a supermajority in the Senate. What do you think you
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: can get done in the next four years? And how
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: can you change the dynamic of the last four years?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it'll be hard. I mean, the politics of the
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: politics nationally, I mean, no one wants to give anybody
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: a win. But I will say that our first budget,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: we were able to get as much money for our
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: public schools as, frankly, we would have with any group
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  Speaker 3: of legislators. So there are certain things that transcend politics.
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  Speaker 3: There are not many. Schools are one. Internet is another.
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  Speaker 3: And infrastructure is another. And roads are another. So the
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: kind of those basic things that are basic services of
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: a state, we can reach agreement on.
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  Speaker 1: The Republican Party seems like they're very into out of
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  Speaker 1: state millionaires this cycle. We got New Jersey's Dr. Oz
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: running in Pennsylvania and you're running against a Trump endorsed
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: election denier named Tim Michaels, who I believe lived in
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: a 17 million dollar mansion in Connecticut until like last year.
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  Speaker 1: Is that something you're reminding people of often? Like what
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: else should Wisconsin voters know about about your opponent?
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  Speaker 3: That's the minimum. That is the bare minimum. Yes. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I can go down the road. $ 17 million place in Connecticut.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: He also has a condo someplace in Manhattan. So I'm
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: sure that that costs a few bucks too.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, in fairness to him, $ 17 million
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  Speaker 2: just doesn't go as far in Connecticut as it would
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  Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. It's a little unfair on some level.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, life is hell, isn't it? It's a lot for me,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: let me tell you. And it would be a lot
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: for anybody in the state of Wisconsin. But seriously, he
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: won a primary against several very conservative Republicans. They spent
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: most of their time essentially leapfrogging over each other to
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: see who could be the most conservative. And, you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: it's scary stuff. But the bottom line is he can't
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: back off from it. He said all these things. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we have a Right now, because of the Dobbs decision
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  Speaker 3: in D.C., we're operating under an 1849 law that prohibits abortions.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: It puts physicians in jail and one to six years felony.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: But then in addition, so he supports that. He said
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  Speaker 3: that's a mirror image of what he believes in. Then
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: some reporters said, but that's that law does not have
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: an exemption for people that were raped or incest. And
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: he said, well, you know, that's the way it goes.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: He wouldn't want one of those exceptions. So that's some
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: pretty bold statements, I would say. So on abortion, I'll
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: use schools as an example, public schools. And that's my background.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I used to be a teacher and then a, principal
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: of a high school, things like that. But at the
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: end of the day, I think schooling is a really
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: important part of our, part of the state's responsibility. And
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  Speaker 3: we had eight years of Scott Walker cutting schools and frankly,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: taking care of the unions that supported those teachers. He said,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: somebody said, so will you increase funding for public schools?
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: And he said, That is the definition of insanity. So
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing public schools are going to be in a
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: very difficult position also. And additionally, he has said that
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: he's a little, frankly, concerned about same-sex marriage, even though
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: that seems to be a thing that I thought that
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: we crossed that bridge several decades ago, but he still
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: has concerns about that. He's okay with 18-year-olds getting a,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: AR-15 without any waiting period. And he's very specific about
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: what he's going to do with the elections in Wisconsin.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: And he's going to get rid of what we have
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  Speaker 3: without telling us what he's going to do to replace it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: And he's also a believer in the big lie. He
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: has not come to terms with the fact that Joe
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Biden won the election here in Wisconsin. So other than that,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: He took no real horrible positions.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Other than that, he seems like.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: A great guy. It's something that we all kind of
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: feel real warm and fuzzy about.
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  Speaker 2: The only person I want to be against gay marriage
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: is my mother. So today....
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Today, he called on you to stop all paroles, even
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: though you don't have that power and it would be illegal.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: What's your reaction to that stunt? And what do you
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: think in general of the attempt by Republican candidates to
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: make this election about crime? This is something that your
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: opponent has been doing quite a bit recently.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly.
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  Speaker 3: But this goes back a long time. That's a Nixonian,
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  Speaker 3: Richard Nixon deal. That's exactly what he did during his
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: run for office the second time around. So, yes, I'm
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: not surprised by it. But it is, you know, it's
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: a lie. I mean, I cannot stop people from being
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: paroled in the state of Wisconsin. That's the way it's
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: set up, that there's a special board that does it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I have no influence about those decisions. But it takes
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: someone that has some sort of a godlike persona. to
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: say something like that that he he has to know
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: it's not possible to have that happen and only someone
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: that has a real inflated um idea of what he
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: is would say something stupid like that yeah and and
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: so you you you rebut it but you need to
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: go on you just and and there's that's the way
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: the the rest of the campaign is going to be
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: like it's going to be I mean, we've got a
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: lot of positive things going on in the state that
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: we're going to continue to do the work around that.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, we will fight
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: this stupidity every way we can.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Speaking of stupidity, you got a visit from Ron. DeSantis
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  Speaker 1: last weekend, who planned with your opponent an exquisitely timed
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: rally just a few hours before the first Packers home
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: game of the season.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: That took the cake. And then he had the audacity
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: to say something like, well, if Michaels wins, my opponent wins,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: then we can be just like Florida. That would be
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: really special. That would be really special. Everybody in Wisconsin
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: has been lusting after that for decades. Let's be like
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: the people in Tallahassee. Right.
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  Speaker 2: You can't, you can't, be against gay marriage and counter-programmed football.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: It's one or the other. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: That's so strange.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. I know what you mean.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: The only people you're getting, you see what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, the timing on that too was not
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: good right before the Packer game. And, you know, people,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: people get fired up about Packer games. Well, and well,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: it showed they're a great team, but to throw a,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: throw a bash right across from the airport, as I recall, and, and,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: and think that people are going to be excited about that.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: That's a stretch. But that's Ron DeSantis and that's Tim Michaels.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: What did you make of DeSantis' immigration stunt where he
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: flew asylum seekers to Martha's Vineyard? It seems to be
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: the latest in DeSantis and your opponent and Trump and
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: all these other Republicans trying to out-MAGA each other, out-extreme
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: each other.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just ridiculous. I mean, I don't know how
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: else to put it. First of all, you're taking a
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: group of people that Their lives are kind of on
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: the line here. They took the chance to get to
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: America and all the things that they went through. And
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: then somebody in authority come by and say, hey, get
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: on this plane. We're going to give you freedom or whatever.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's just bullshit, frankly. It makes me angry,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: but it doesn't surprise me.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Last question. You've been talking to voters. uh, for quite
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: a while now in the campaign trail, like, what do
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: you think this election comes down to from, from what
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you're hearing from people?
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I hope it, you know, in all honesty, I
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: hope it's not going to be all, but all the
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: negative stuff that, that just, that, that isn't what Wisconsin's
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: about or, or the nation's about, but I understand I've,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I've been around for a while that it could be,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: but that said, I do believe At the end of
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: the day, I'll win and it'll be a small amount.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: I won by 1.1% against Scott Walker. The standing joke
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: in my world is we're going to double that and
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: go to 2.2 and that'll be a landslide. That said,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: I also believe that we're on the right side of
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: the issues, whether it's around schools, whether it's, you know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: our economy here in Wisconsin is is as good as
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: it's ever been. 2.8% unemployment rate, the highest number of
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: people working ever in the state of Wisconsin. And we've
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: been able to really do a good job around getting
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: through this pandemic and helping small businesses across the state
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: of Wisconsin. So we've done the right things and I'll
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: continue talking about that, but we will, you know, if
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: we have to engage in negative politicians, politics will do
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: that too. It's important to win. The difference is having
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: a good state that has some basic values or a
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: state that is going to make it more difficult for
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: people to vote and will punish women and their doctors
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: if they choose to have abortions and they want to
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: have reproductive health decisions made by them.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Governor Evers, thank you so much for joining the pod.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Thanks for giving us your thoughts on the queen.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: And look, you don't have to weigh in on this,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: but I'm just saying my position, if I were running
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: for elected office in the United Kingdom, would be to
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: seize the castles, kick them out of it, and then
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: sell them, and then use the money to help people.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: That's my position. It's not yours. That's my position for
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: these rich freaks.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not talking about their wealth or their castles
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: or anything.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: No, you're not.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Famously. I'm just talking about Elizabeth.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Don't take the bait, Governor.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Don't take the bait.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: She could live on a second floor walk-up. It doesn't
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: make any difference to me.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Well, she's dead now.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: All that other stuff, I can agree with.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: They're driving her coffin around the whole town.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Governor. Good luck on the campaign trail.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: So sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Bye-bye.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: And you know what, Andy? I didn't prepare at all
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: for this interview. I made a bunch of dumb jokes.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: You said the weirdest thing.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I did. You weirded the whole thing up. Hi. Hey, sorry.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're the governor or a fucking
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: third grader I don't like. Do you have any gum
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: in your mouth?
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: What the fuck? It just sounds so bad in audio when.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Someone's smacking their gum.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I would not have said almond. I would have
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: said gum, too. It did seem like it was gum.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: It was so funny.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It did seem like it was gum.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: He's just trying to get a snack in between hits.
• 45:00
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• 45:07
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• 45:10
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• 45:22
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• 45:23
  Speaker 2: That's tough.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: It's a rough one to read.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: That's hard to hear.
• 45:26
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• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Look, we can tell them about Y2K.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, before we go, Love It, you have a game?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: All right, now it's time for Tommy and John to
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: face off in a game we're calling Culture War. You
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: will face a pop culture gauntlet predicated on the assumption
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: that when it comes to most pop culture news outside
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: of shows with dragons and sports with CTE, you don't
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: know fuck all. True. All right, question number one. Either
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: one of you say the answer. Which dignitary did Australian
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: news presenters fail to recognize upon his or her arrival
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: at the Queen's funeral?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: What?
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I need an answer. Which dignitary? Which dignitary?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Which dignitary was failed to be recognized?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: By the Australians?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Australians. They didn't know who.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: No hint. No multiple choice.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: They're British.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: British.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Harry Potter. They're British and they're newly on the scene. Oh, uh, uh, uh.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: People will be screaming at us. Roll the clip.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: Who's this?
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: No, hard to identify. Maybe minor royals, members of the.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I can't identify them at this point. We can't spot everyone, unfortunately.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: They look like they could well be local dignitaries.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: It's hard to see.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: We're looking at the.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Backs of their heads mostly. But I think we are
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: now getting to the pointy end, as they say, of the...
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I'm just told that was Liz Truss, the new prime minister,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: in the distance that we could see hopping out of
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: that car.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Going through the doors.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much. That's really good.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: That is funny. That's really good.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I know that that's not pop culture news, but I'm
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: including it because the queen is mostly just a celebrity.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: All right, next. Which Emmy-nominated actress from Grey's Anatomy and
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Killing Eve attended the queen's funeral as part of the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Canadian delegation?
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Sandra Oh.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: When he said. Boom.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: That's one point for John. What rumor did Lea Michele
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: mock on TikTok over the weekend?
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: That she's illiterate.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give both of you. Who did she call
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: pretending to need help reading TikTok comments?
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Her agent?
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Nope. Chrissy Teigen? Nope. He was in Hamilton. Lin-Manuel Miranda.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: He was also in Hamilton. He was in Glee, this person.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, Jonathan Groff.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Got it. What did Jennifer Coolidge have an allergic reaction
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: to that sent her to the hospital while filming The
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: White Lotus?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's so specific.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: What did Jennifer Coolidge have an allergic reaction to that's
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: under the hospital?
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Shrimp.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: While filming The White Lotus. Not shrimp. I don't know.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: It was a spray tan. It was a spray tan.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like knowing that she won the Emmy would
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: have been good enough for me.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Great. You ever had a spray tan? You think so.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I had a spray tan. Oh, you bet I have.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Has it ever darkened throughout a party? You bet I have.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you get a spray tan and then all of
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: a sudden you're like, I washed it off too late.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I'm getting tanner over the.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Emily told you to do it earlier.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: She did.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: You got warned.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: You look incredible by midnight. I know. There was a
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: moment where a friend of the show, Naomi Perrigan, was like,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: you get any tanner, you're going to be canceled. Get
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: out of here. Get a look at this party. We're
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: telling a lot of truths today.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Goodness.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Retruths.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Anything else? Is that it?
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Van Ness clapped back. Ugh. I'm sorry, I said
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: clap back. Jonathan, yeah, well, it really was. He clapped
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: back at Twitter critics who hated his recent post queerbaiting
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: a fake relationship with his Queer Eye colleague, Antony, accusing
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: them of not caring about anti-trans bills or the Dobbs ruling.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: What product were JVN and Antony shilling in their posts?
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: They posted that they were in a fake relationship in
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: order to sell what? I don't know. Some sort of
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: food item? Yes.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: It was Yummers, their new brand of meal mix-ins. That's
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: not a real thing.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Yummers?
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: You made that up. They faked being boyfriends, or they
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: faked being in a relationship to sell Yummers. Okay. And
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I want to just say something about this. which is
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: I actually was very specifically this post of them pretending
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: to be dating to sell food, which I don't really
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: care about. It's not a big deal. Both the people
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: that hated it and then JVN kind of saying, you
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: criticized this, but not that. Sometimes things you don't like
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: are harmless. You just don't like them. And sometimes things
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: you like, they can be harmful. You know what I mean?
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Get together with your enemies and have a cup of
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: crooked coffee and, you know.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Work it out.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Have your SimpliSafe set up.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Louder for the people in the back. Instagram users were
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: hyping Cardi B's courtroom look after she posted a couple
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: glam trial photos in the caption, Every day the sun
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: won't shine, but that's why I love tomorrow. What was
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Cardi B in court for? It involves... Music rights?
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Not music rights. Any sense?
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Traffic.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: It was an altercation. Oh, she beat somebody up? It
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: was a 2018 strip club fight. Oh, I knew about that.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: That's a long time to get to trial.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Final question. Wheels of justice, man. Yeah, slow. They just
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: got the serial guy out. Yeah, after 22 years.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: But did he do it? Britain's Channel 5 received flag
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: today for airing what instead of the Queen's Funeral? They
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: aired something instead of The Queen's Funeral. It is a film.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: The Queen's Speech. It is not The Queen's Speech. King's Speech.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: It is not The King's Speech. An inexplicable Best Picture winner.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Crash?
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: It was not Crash. Sometimes so lonely in this town,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: just crash into each other to feel something. No, it
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: was the Emoji Movie. It was the Emoji Movie.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: That's a bad one.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Which is really funny.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: That's a bad choice.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Really funny thing to air. Never saw the Emoji Movie.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Never knew what happened. I imagine maybe the... The sad
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: face learned to be happy. Happy face learned that things
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: aren't always good. I don't know. It's five minutes on
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Tony Evers.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I won, right?
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: John did win. John got more of them right in
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: the end. Love it.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I think we have questions for you now.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. So now that you're going to turn the
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: tables because you're going to have some questions on topics
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about. That's right. In this segment,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: we're calling Culture War.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: Some clips of Tom Brady doing what during the Bucs-Saints
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: game yesterday circulated around Twitter.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Did he throw his iPad on the ground? through tablet. Yeah, no,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: they'd use a Surface Pro, I believe. I think they
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: have a Microsoft deal. We'll give it to him.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: We'll give it to him.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think I deserve it.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: He also started a fight between some of the Saints
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: players and the Bucs players, and he kind.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Of walked away. So he started a fight and didn't
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: finish it? Right. So he took the air out of
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: it a little bit. That's a tough one. How many
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl rings does Tom Brady have? Five.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Close. Seven.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Nailed it.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Wow. He won seven times? That's good. He's very good.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: All right, I have some questions about children's programming. Disney
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Junior is reviewing a banned episode of the show Bluey,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: in which Bluey's dad is put on mock trial for what?
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: This is very specific. I didn't know this. And I've
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: watched almost every episode now.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: A physical altercation. A strip club. A 2018 strip club fight.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: The answer is accidentally farting in Bluey's face.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: John, question. Is it true that Bluey's the best stripper?
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: kids show. I've heard the Bluey kind of rules.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: It's at the top. It's one where I actually want
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: to know what happens at the end. And they're like
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: 20 minute episodes? No, they're like 10 minute episodes.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: It's an Australian dog, right?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an Australian cartoon. They're all dogs. It's a
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: family of dogs. In fact, love it, while we're at it,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: can you name any of the other characters besides Bluey
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: in their familiar role? It's an Australian show? Charlie can
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: name all four.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: It's an Australian show?
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: It is, yeah.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Roo?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Roo?
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Blanche. A koala named.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: They're all dogs.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: They're all dogs.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Bandit the dad, Chili the mom, and the younger sister
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: is Bingo.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Joey Monica.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Bingo would have been a good guess.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: David Schwimmer.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: That's all the time we have. I think we all won.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Everyone else paid attention to the funeral today, right? Still dead.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Is everyone paying attention to the funeral? It's like the
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: biggest story in the world.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: And we did the rare thing of turning on the
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: TV in our office and it's all over the TV.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I don't understand it. I don't understand it. I get
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: British people caring. I get British people caring. They can
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: care for it. They can care about it. But come on, America.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I also didn't watch the royal weddings. Have some respect
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: for yourself.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: What else are people doing? People are pretty bored, you know?
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: What are we doing here?
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: People are pretty bored.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: We fought a war about this because this is not
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: a good system. The whole monarchy thing? No elected leader
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: should have to go up to a big castle and
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: ask permission to do anything from some rich woman.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Tommy, you've been on both sides of this. We should
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: have Rhodes and Lovett debate. over the queen and the
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: monarchy since Rhodes is such a queen lover.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, look, he loves the queen. I know
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: he doesn't love the monarchy.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: She's an interesting individual who persevered through a lot.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: What does that even mean?
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: This is why I want a debate. Let's get a debate.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I think it'll be great.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: She was one of the richest human beings on planet
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Earth the day she was fucking born. What did she
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: persevere through?
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: So, for example, during World War II, she didn't leave
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: the country. She stuck around. She gave a pretty famous
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: radio address when she was 14 that sort of bucked
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: up the nation. Sure, I heard that on Twitter that
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: I'm she read she read an ambulance drove an ambulance
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: or something like that Yeah, exactly. I've been said a
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: lot of stuff that I forget I think like I've
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: never been a huge fan of her or any Royals.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Look the only The only historical document I recognize is
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: the Netflix series of the crown and the story of
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: the crown Smith is about a group of people being
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: frustrated by how little they're supposed to do between bouts
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: of hunting With Matt Smith. Thank you. Yes, with Matt Smith.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Thanks, everyone, for letting me know about Matt Smith.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: There's this very moving... What's the really good royal show
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: on Hulu? The Russian guy? Oh, The Great. The Great. Oh,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: The Great is great. I love The Great.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: The Great is great.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: The Great is cool.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: All right, I got the governor of Wisconsin to talk to.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: In a minute.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: He can wait a minute.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: What's he going to do? We're doing TV recs. They
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: made him less powerful. He's not like, can't be that busy.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: The state stripped him of all kinds of power.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: He's trying to hang on. He's trying to hang on.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: So he can hang on a couple more minutes. Let's
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: ask him. Let's have us here when he gets here.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: We can just ask him what he thinks of Queen Elizabeth.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Let's put him on the spot.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Sure. Pod Save America is a Crooked Media production. The
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: executive producer is Michael Martinez. Our senior producer is Andy
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Gardner Bernstein. Our producers are Olivia Martinez and Hayley Muse.
• 55:51
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• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Charlotte Landis sound engineer the show. Thanks to Tanya Sominator,
• 55:57
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• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Howe for production support. And to our digital team, Elijah Cohn,
• 56:05
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• 56:09
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