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Best of the Bus: Matt LaFleur On Packers, Jordan Love, Vrabel stories, Ben Johnson Beef · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 2: Matt Laflur coach Matt Lafleur. Thank you guys. Hey, well
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  Speaker 2: you can't memorize that.
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  Speaker 1: I probably can, but when it's just sitting there, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: might as well.
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  Speaker 2: You read it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you?
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  Speaker 2: He got your education in Nebraska.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the end stand for knowledge?
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  Speaker 3: That's right, That's why we get it done there.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they say the same thing about Northern Michigan
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  Speaker 2: University really and stands for knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody everybody just trying to copy thee Yeah, to copy league.
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  Speaker 1: It was funny when you were when we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about halving my hand and everything. When I was in
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  Speaker 1: Oakland or Vegas, my linebacker coach like every game I'm
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  Speaker 1: like dapping somebody up from the other team, like on
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  Speaker 1: the side during three game war whoops. And he's always like,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you could just be the mayor. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like you know somebody everywhere we go to and
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  Speaker 1: we'd have a nice little laugh about it. But I
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  Speaker 1: did feel like once I got to the back end,
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  Speaker 1: like it was, I was more just having the greatest
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  Speaker 1: time I possibly could. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you you were afforded the availability to be
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  Speaker 3: playing at the highest level you can and in the
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  Speaker 3: sport you love the most. Will also not caring, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that is Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, he carred. He cared.
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  Speaker 3: He cares so much.
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  Speaker 2: This guy had the greatest pun sets I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: That he needs to hear that. Braves always coaching me different,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, there's some different things fundamentally that if
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  Speaker 1: I was yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If I was especial, he just slacked a little length.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and Ray was it was always about the punch
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  Speaker 1: and for my length in my arms, like I needed
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  Speaker 1: the guy to be in a little tighter so I
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  Speaker 1: could finesse him a little bit. Because if I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to release, most guys are gonna run with me downfield,
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  Speaker 1: so I need them to kind of be in my
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  Speaker 1: body versus shocking them because usually I got I got
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  Speaker 1: the t Rex like use length, so you got.
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  Speaker 2: You're not a great quality play, not a great that
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  Speaker 2: we always look at that arm length.
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  Speaker 1: Ray wouldn't even let me on Punk Return. I've talked
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  Speaker 1: about it before, but I couldn't even like be on
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  Speaker 1: Punk Return because they just talked about my arm lengths.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah is it that?
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  Speaker 1: No, Bro, that's like it's like, you know, getting them
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  Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. We do those one on
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  Speaker 1: one Remember we do those one on ones in front
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  Speaker 1: of all.
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  Speaker 3: The murdered by Keith Carter.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm saying at training camp when Ray would shut
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  Speaker 1: it down and you do the one on ones, like
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  Speaker 1: in front of everybody, do you do that with green Bay? No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not something you do with green Bay. I just
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  Speaker 1: feel like you got the blood flow going, like fuck,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of the stress of having the team watch you
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  Speaker 3: do a one on one. I don't think you could
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  Speaker 3: replicate that in any other scenario.
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  Speaker 2: That a little bit more this year.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's good for competitive juices.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good to know.
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  Speaker 3: I do like and if you're a young guy and
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  Speaker 3: you're you know you're about to be called up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, usually the like yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Some of you, but yeah you might come up to
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  Speaker 2: one of those guys respond.
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  Speaker 1: Because usually do one on ones. But you're always broken
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  Speaker 1: up where it's stations. But when it's like the head
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  Speaker 1: coach calls it up and you're he's calling out different guys,
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  Speaker 1: you're sitting there in lining being like, yeah, is he
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  Speaker 1: about to call my number? And you just got that
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  Speaker 1: little bit of anxiety.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit. It's a lot of it. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: is a lot. But I think the reason why you
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  Speaker 3: had the relationships with everybody is your time with the Redskins,
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  Speaker 3: and that's where you come into play, because that's where
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  Speaker 3: the nucleague is right now, it's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Everywhere we got he was there, he was there, we
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  Speaker 2: got fired.
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  Speaker 3: That is how did it not work out there with
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  Speaker 3: that many brains?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it just goes to show you the
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  Speaker 2: power of the player. I mean, this is a hit,
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  Speaker 2: Mike blow.
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  Speaker 3: The power of the player.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, you got to have great players in
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  Speaker 2: order to have success in this league. And not to
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  Speaker 2: say that we didn't, I just for whatever reason, it
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  Speaker 2: didn't come together. You know, we had the one good
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  Speaker 2: year in twenty twelve where we won our division and
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  Speaker 2: lost to Seattle and the playoffs Robert towards a c L.
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  Speaker 2: And the next year was a complete disaster. I think
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  Speaker 2: we went three and thir Remember we got just smashed
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  Speaker 2: by the Kansas City Chiefs and there was a That's
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  Speaker 2: when I knew it was all over.
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  Speaker 1: That's what who is it?
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  Speaker 3: Coach? Your years were done after that?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah? And he didn't. You didn't get retained
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  Speaker 1: by the I did not got you because a few
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  Speaker 1: of them did.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, sorry, Sewan did. Yeah, Sean Raheem. There's a
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  Speaker 2: couple of guys, that's right, that's right, But not many.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not many survivors.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of the way of our you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: the way of our profession.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, how does it like does that ever eat at
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  Speaker 3: you a little bit? Like knowing that this NFL stands
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  Speaker 3: for not for long and you're just no.
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  Speaker 2: I do think it. I just think that if if
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  Speaker 2: you're smart about it, just ups your urgency level. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta be urgent and everything we do,
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  Speaker 2: and you can't take it for granted, even when you
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  Speaker 2: you feel like you have a good team, Like to me,
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  Speaker 2: that's when you have to push even more. So you
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  Speaker 2: can't let anybody kind of get complacent or rest and
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, but that's it. But it's the beauty of
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  Speaker 2: our league too, just the competitiveness. I don't think the.
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  Speaker 3: Hell is your head too?
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  Speaker 2: What we got up there? What kind of place are
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  Speaker 2: we renting here?
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  Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs state here when he first got here.
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  Speaker 2: I know that's what Eli Kingold.
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  Speaker 1: He texted when he saw video of our specially, it
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  Speaker 1: sunds like this is spyt.
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  Speaker 2: To run out of that Wisconsin well, I mean, shoot,
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  Speaker 2: it's nice and convenient. Lambo's right across. It's crazy, that's
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  Speaker 2: it is. It's an interesting set up here, dude.
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  Speaker 1: It's a cool town. It's like knowing that you just
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  Speaker 1: kind of like drive in this small town then out
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  Speaker 1: of nowhere Lambeo Field just popps. Yeah, it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: the center of it all.
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  Speaker 3: You think this town revolves run the fall and then
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  Speaker 3: preparing for the fall like all the other seasons. Is like,
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  Speaker 3: I can't wait for August to get here.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be nice for a head coach knowing
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  Speaker 1: that there's not as many distractions.
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  Speaker 2: There's zero distractions. So like, if you can't get the
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  Speaker 2: most out of somebody here, I don't think you can
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  Speaker 2: do it anywhere. I love it personally because we don't
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of issues with our players, and our
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  Speaker 2: guys can focus on football. I know, even for me,
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  Speaker 2: and I think our coaches you could say that the
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  Speaker 2: same thing for I mean, you focus on your job
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  Speaker 2: and your family.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Josh are telling us about your schedule. You
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  Speaker 3: gotta love schedule. Wednesday is getting done at like three o'clock?
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  Speaker 2: Is it that early?
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  Speaker 3: That's what he says.
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  Speaker 1: Put it like this. He was giving you a lot
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  Speaker 1: of praise. He said, if there's one thing he understands
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  Speaker 1: the efficiency.
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  Speaker 2: Efficiency, well, the one that's the only thing in life
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  Speaker 2: you can never get back is time. Right, So I
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  Speaker 2: try to make it just expedited as best we can.
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  Speaker 2: And and I don't want to drag the days out.
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  Speaker 2: I want our guys to get in get their work
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  Speaker 2: in and then get out, go recovery, do what you
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  Speaker 2: got to do. But there is an expectation. I expect
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  Speaker 2: these guys when they go home that they're not just
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  Speaker 2: shutting it off. That if, however, you've got to prepare
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  Speaker 2: to get yourself to get ready for the next day.
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  Speaker 2: That's the expectation. So you do put a lot of
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  Speaker 2: onus on the players.
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  Speaker 3: If you were in a spot like l A or
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  Speaker 3: Las Vegas, do you think you'd make the days a
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  Speaker 3: little bit longer because of all the distinations?
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  Speaker 2: Right, probably we're.
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  Speaker 3: Gonna do good to Buffalo will Wings like we had
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  Speaker 3: it last night.
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  Speaker 2: So beat ups is open right now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so run.
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  Speaker 1: You've been around a lot of amazing coaches. Which coach
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  Speaker 1: do you feel like you've gotten the most from as.
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  Speaker 2: Far as Yeah, there's been too many good ones, you know,
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  Speaker 2: from from Mike Shanahan just the attention to detail and
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  Speaker 2: I mean that guy could his focus was on another level.
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  Speaker 2: To Kyle just he's never happy with anything. But I
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  Speaker 2: think that that makes you better at what you do.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's you always feel that that urgency, that
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  Speaker 2: pressure too, and you better think things through before you
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  Speaker 2: bring him an idea, otherwise you're probably going to get
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  Speaker 2: your face ripped off to Sean. Sean was great with accountability.
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  Speaker 2: Dan Quinn just kind of like our culture and in
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  Speaker 2: our environment a lot with shape from just being around
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  Speaker 2: him and making it a place where people enjoy going
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  Speaker 2: to work. And so I think you take something from everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Vrabel was was good to. I mean, he's going to
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  Speaker 2: put the most on the best players on the team,
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  Speaker 2: and you guys know that, and he's going to demand
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  Speaker 2: the most out out of the best. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think you learned from from everybody.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get I wanted I want you to
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  Speaker 1: tell the story of the locker room at halftime with Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is against the Jets, right, I think it
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  Speaker 2: was the Jets game.
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  Speaker 3: They tried to bench Quentin Spain, and I was so
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  Speaker 3: mad because Spain was hurt or might have been hurt
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  Speaker 3: or thinking about being hurt. He had something going on.
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  Speaker 3: But there was no other guard. And I was obviously
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  Speaker 3: Spain at least at the very least trusted me, and
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  Speaker 3: I could trust Spain to do the things I needed
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  Speaker 3: him to do. So Keith went to Rabel and was like,
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  Speaker 3: we got to get spain out of here, he's not
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  Speaker 3: playing well, blah blah blah blah. And then I went
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  Speaker 3: in and I think I called Keith Cardar tattletale, which
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  Speaker 3: if looking back, looking use different Burbidge. I walked out,
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  Speaker 3: you're a fucking tattletale. There's no way to say tattletale.
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  Speaker 1: In a cool way.
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  Speaker 3: And he's like, would you say I remember Mike Sullivan
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  Speaker 3: like pulled me out, and then yeah, Ravee came in
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, Spae's not playing a must not playing.
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  Speaker 3: He's then you're not playing Vrabel. He's like, then you're
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  Speaker 3: not playing and then we got into it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, you guys were nose to nose, and I
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  Speaker 2: remember I stepped in the middle. I'm like, guys, guys, guys,
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  Speaker 2: and I gotta shut the fuck up Matt And I said, yes, sir,
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  Speaker 2: and I just went back at the board got there.
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  Speaker 2: I just got I mean, I was, I mean, look
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  Speaker 2: at me compared to the size of these two guys,
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  Speaker 2: Are you kidding, guys, guys, shut the fuck.
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  Speaker 1: Up, Matt Is.
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  Speaker 3: They ended up putting Ben in a guard and I
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: don't think ever like passed off games better than my
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: entire life with somebody like Ben was incredible at guard.
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  Speaker 2: And I can't even remember the detail of that or
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  Speaker 2: why why you guys were going nose and nose, But
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  Speaker 2: I do remember we won the game in overtime. Are
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  Speaker 2: right before overtime? We're getting our ass kicked in that game?
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  Speaker 2: We won't at the the end of the game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I started off that game with like a penalty
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  Speaker 3: I think in the first series, like got mode over
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  Speaker 3: one time. It was like a bad start to the game.
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  Speaker 3: And then we started to catch a little groove. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but it was it was just turbulent times.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like he, I didn't like I wasn't a
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  Speaker 3: fan of Keith, and there was just like a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of other things you Keith, I do I love that
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  Speaker 3: for you guys, man, I don't. Yeah, I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to sit here just like be like demonstraship about Keith,
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  Speaker 3: because I'm sure he does have good qualities off the field,
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  Speaker 3: no doubt about it. But your time in Tennessee, Like,
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  Speaker 3: are you running the same offense as you did in Tennessee?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'd say it's I mean, you're ever evolving, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but you're still in liketro and absolutely the core principles
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  Speaker 2: stay the same. A lot of the techniques and fundamentals
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  Speaker 2: that we coach are very similar. I think the philosophy around,
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  Speaker 2: you know, your offensive game plan of trying to marry
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  Speaker 2: up plays, trying to have the passing game be an
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  Speaker 2: extension of the run game, and vice versa. I think
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  Speaker 2: all that is stayed the same, but certainly you got
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  Speaker 2: to adapt to your personnel number one, and I always
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  Speaker 2: try to try to see the game through the eyes
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  Speaker 2: of the quarterback and try to figure out what he
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  Speaker 2: does well along with the other ten men around him.
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  Speaker 2: So that's how you try to implement your system.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember that first OTAs in twenty eighteen or
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  Speaker 3: that much of a shit show it was?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember we got our ass kicked. We had
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  Speaker 2: a bad practice, and it was doomsday around the building,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, I hope we
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  Speaker 2: never lose a game.
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  Speaker 3: As we went from just speaking from an office line perspective,
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  Speaker 3: we were running like only DAP scheme and only inside zone,
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  Speaker 3: so there was no like running off the ball techniques.
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  Speaker 3: You guys came in and started implementing these techniques that
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  Speaker 3: I've never done before. A lot of guys had never
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  Speaker 3: done before. So I remember the first day like, oh, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna run nineteen Wanda. I'm going towards the outside
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  Speaker 3: shoulder of the defensive end and Brian Ripo just goes
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  Speaker 3: right inside immediately cause I sprint was right, so immediately
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  Speaker 3: get to TF. I'm thinking myself, this is we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: this is terrible. I hate this and it ended up
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  Speaker 3: being by the end of I was like, this is
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  Speaker 3: the greatest offensive scheme ever.
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  Speaker 2: Well good, I'm glad you came around.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it really became like my Obviously I like.
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  Speaker 2: Even your strength because you're super athletic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then once like once a lot more.
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  Speaker 2: Then the guys sitting next to you. Damn, just you look.
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  Speaker 2: I know, you look great in that fifty one in
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  Speaker 2: the green and gold.
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  Speaker 1: And get some positivity.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that I I love that offense. I love it,
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  Speaker 3: the Wanda, all of it. Yeah, just sprending off the
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  Speaker 3: ball to cut offs like it became my favorite thing.
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  Speaker 2: But everything has to tie in together. The back's path,
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  Speaker 2: with the old line, the quarterback, everybody has a responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna demand that the wide receivers block
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's one thing that I'm really proud
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  Speaker 2: of with our group is they're they're going to go battle.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to fight their ass off on every play.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think you see that, you know, from
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  Speaker 2: every team around the league?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, can you? When you talked to when we were
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  Speaker 1: talking to Josh last night, he also brought up a
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  Speaker 1: conversation he had with Malik Willis. But it seems like
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  Speaker 1: a constant when you talk to your players, is you
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  Speaker 1: know how to teach the game? How did that start
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  Speaker 1: to develop for you in when you are like delivering
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  Speaker 1: the ins and outs of a play, Because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like every player talks about how well you coach the
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  Speaker 1: game and teach like the game within the game to
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  Speaker 1: where the guys understand it. Because Malik Willis, like, what
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  Speaker 1: was that early in the season, Week three or four?
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  Speaker 1: He just showed up and you guys pulling off an upset.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you guys got him.
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  Speaker 2: We start he started week two versus Indy and he
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  Speaker 2: had been here I think nineteen days, yeah to that
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  Speaker 2: point before he started a game, and now it was
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  Speaker 2: a We didn't try to put too much on his plate.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't when a guy's been here for
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  Speaker 2: three weeks, and so he leaned on our run game
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  Speaker 2: heavily and we had a great The first half was
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  Speaker 2: we were killing it rushing the football. We had over
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  Speaker 2: two hundred yards rushing in the first half, but kind
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  Speaker 2: of slowed down after that quite a bit. But he
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  Speaker 2: made some big time plays late in the game that
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  Speaker 2: allowed us to win that game. And then the next
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  Speaker 2: week it was the Malik Willis Revenge Tour going down
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: to Tennessee. And you know, I bet so much money
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: in the Titans that game, did you?
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: I did, because I felt pretty confident going into that game.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: Did you really? I did see Malik Like I had
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: the chance to play with Malik for a little bit, sure,
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: and the thing that I noticed was like he just
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: wasn't grasping the playbook and so he would do the
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: wrong cans or you know, he wouldn't understand like when
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: the safety's move, that's when you have to go to
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: the opposite away, all these.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Different What year was that though? From this is his
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: rookie year.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but it would give the guy some grace.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: But you just go off of what you know, right,
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, if this kid's coming in
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: he busted I mean they ran the ball a lot
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: against Indy this game to have a whole uh, they
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: have all this film on him now, or at least
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: one week of film like this is where it ends.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: And I thought the Titans would get going at some
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: point and they never got going.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: That picked six by Jay or it certainly helped helped
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: our cause remember the first play of the game, you know,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: just knowing that we ran the ball forty some odd
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: times versus Indy, that everybody was going to be geared
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: up for a run. So we faked a little toss
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: and hit Jay Reid out the back, the backside for
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: like a thirty yard game. It was great.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little smile yeah about it?
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: How is that the first fifteen? Like how much how
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: often do coaches overthink the first fifteen plays of the game.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I know for myself that first fifteen has really grown,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: so it's really like a first twenty five. Now you
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: never just rip it off. But what it does is
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: so for myself, I do this on Friday evening. Friday
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: is actually a long day for for me to kind
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: of like really think about the plays that I absolutely
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: want to get called, and then I get them to
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: our players on Saturday, and I think it gives them
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: an idea of Okay, I better be on point with
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: these twenty five plays that have a pretty good chance
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: at some point in the game, these plays are going
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: to get called. So it really it takes the game
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: plan and kind of shrinks it a little bit. And
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I think what we felt it's been beneficial for our players.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: With that process. Are you looking at these twenty five
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: and is in your minds are these in order?
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Like in a.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Perfect world where you're playing the most, you're calling the
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: perfect game, the guys are doing exactly what you want
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: them to do. Is that one, two, three, four, five, six,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: all the way down to twenty five like in order
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: in your ease?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it rarely goes like that, to
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: be honest with you, because the first fifteen or twenty
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: five are, however many somebody does, those are really just
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: non situational plays. Those are normal ball that's first down
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: first and ten that's second and medium to second and short.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: It's never really third down calls. It's not the red zone,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: it's not backed up, So you got a whole separate
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: area for those types of plays. But yeah, I would
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: say if you're if you're just ripping them off the top,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: you're you're staying on schedule, and you're you're doing pretty well.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: How much is how much is it a chess match?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: During a game when you're calling like how like? Essentially
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the game to me is like the OC versus the DC, right,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: and then you have all your pawns on the chessboard
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: playing like how much is it? You're seeing what they're doing,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: you're reacting, they're reacting to you, and it's like a
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: back and forth with like.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of that, But at
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the same time, it's you know, if I got a
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: guy that's better than your guy, there's a good chance
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: no matter what I call, that play is gonna work.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: That's a fair point.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: And you know, you know he's got the you know,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: he's thinking it's a chess match the entire time. Like
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you look at his his bald fad he's got going on.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be checking this.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: We see your bad.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, I need to get some product, little hat head,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Little hatthead, he showered today. Last night, okay last night.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Long term, there's been a lot of conversations about this bus,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: about showering lately.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Visit are you somebody who has to shower every time
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you travel at the end of the day.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: More than likely, yes, he says more than.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Likely, more than likely, more than he says more than likely.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: So last week we were at we're in Michigan.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And where we're at Michigan, Okay.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: We're at the College for spring Ball Washington.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: We had to work out did he do any one
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: on ones? He kind of bout out, he kind of
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I may or may not have seen a one on
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: one rep at the University of Org.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: You you get down if you're a coach scouting that
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: there is.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Nothing to break down those I mean his ankles. He
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: definitely got his ankles, Bro's and ankles.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: See, the problem for me was just like, let the
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: very least make a reaction, like guess, even if you
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: guess wrong.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Well, we talked about because he told me he knew
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: he was gonna take away the inside said this conversation.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when we were setting up the interview, it was like, hey,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I saw that one on one rep. We were laughing
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: about it. He's like, why don't you just guess to
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the inside. I was like, I'm telling you, Bro, That's
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: what I was telling the boys right before. I'm like,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the cameras are going to be on. I'm talking to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: JP stating there, the cameras are going to be on.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: This kid is gonna want to cross my face. He's
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: gonna want to play, is right?
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Come on?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: The body just didn't react, didn't react him almost grabbing
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: him just a little bit and already reacting.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: It is so tough, but.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Made me laugh. Though you did.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I'm glad I gave you some entertainment.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: It was a lot. It was very entertaining.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: When we were seeing the locker room before he did
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: that one on one, I really thought, like, Will's gonna
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: get him, Will's gonna I started to believe it when
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: he was putting the patch.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he was.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I'm dropping quotes, I'm sniffing the smelling sauce, like six
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: smelling salts.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: In a in a bottle of water, bottle of water.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: We're just like pumping it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I'm doing it too. I want to be a part
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: of the vibe. He's yelling at some security guard. Made
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: your heart turn black. And the guy's like, what the fuck.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Is going on? Children?
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: He runs out. I'm like this Ude's about to show
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: that he still got it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: That was a very humb moment.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Huh yeah, Yeah. I thought I was going to take
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the young buck, and I was like, man, I's telling
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Coach Landing. I was like, I hate to end your
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: running backs career right here. He can't get beat by
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: this thirty five year old in Missouri on Missouri.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, God, it's tough to know when it's over. What
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: do you look at yourself in the mirror and be like,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: once upon a time I could do X, Y and Z,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: but now I can't.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that like for you?
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Everybody loves outlaws like that.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: You he tagged my athleticism. Let's talk about when yours ended.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm like the line from Rudy. I'm five ft nothing,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: one hundred and nothing. So I just I didn't have
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the same opportunities. I don't think.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: All right, So you're blaming you're blaming on miserable.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that you're blaming God, blaming God. I'm
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: blaming my mom messed up.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: A guy like You're in Target and some guy comes
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: up to you. Man, if I was your i'd be
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: a PROBA player.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: You know, he says it to everybody.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: In practice, he's thinking to himself, Man, if you know when.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I was getting recruited in college, everybody would tell me
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: that if you were six to everybody in the country
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: be recruiting you. And I'm like, well, I'm not, so
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: you were?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Were you a beast in high school? Like like that
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: he was student?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I was. I would say I was a good high
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: school player. I mean I was good enough to play
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: in Division two football. I walked on at Western Michigan
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: and realized that it was going to be a lot
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: of years sitting there before and if that day would
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: ever come to to get on the field. I actually
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: was playing receiver at Western. We had when I was leaving,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Greg Jennings was coming in, so I would have I
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: would approbad.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Then what was the experience? Like you said, people bring
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: up the Omaha beef Like.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I was on Dan Patrick yesterday he brought it up.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Oh did he really? Yeah, that'd beef?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Like what is how long did you play there?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly it was so. I was a grad
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: assistant at Central Michigan and I can't believe they actually
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: let me leave. Like in today's world, that never would
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: have happened. But I got a phone call saying, hey,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: you want to come play for the summer for this
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: indoor football team in Oman, And I was like, all right,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I'll check receiver. No, I was quarterback, so you obviously
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: haven't done your research on me.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's all right, we get to learn.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good pod. So I played quarterback at
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: when I transferred from Western too Sagona Valley. I ended
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: up playing quarterback for three years there. But so I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: go to Omaha, and you know I really would I
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: wasn't even the starter there. I just had gone into
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: a couple of games and did did pretty well. And
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: that's I only played a couple of games there though,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: So it was a very The next year, the Billings
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Outlaws called and I went out there, and this was insane.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: So I went to a team who the court, the
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: starting quarterback was also the play caller. Well, he tore
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: his ACL so he couldn't play, and he had played
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: in a game against me the year before and I
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: did pretty well in it and wanted me to come out.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: The team I went to was undefeated and I get
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: there and I throw four picks and I thought I
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: was going to get my ass kicked. After the game,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: everybody's looking at me. I'd been there like for two days,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: and I thought these guys were going to fuck me up.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: So it was a pretty intense deal. And the next week,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: ironically enough, we went and played in Omaha and ended
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: up went in like uh an I f L player
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of the Week.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: No ship.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, so, but why were they? Why was there
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: for four weeks? And I was like, I got to
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: get out of here. It was just kind of a
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: renegade league. There were these were there were some talented
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: guys in that league, but there was a lot of
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: reasons they didn't play in Probably the biggest of stages.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I mean in Nashville is this this team called the
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Nashville Cats, and they're just at lipscumb right now training
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: and I see like these offensive linemen that have like
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: gray in their hair. I'm thinking, what are you all chasing?
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're well, I did it. I did it for
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: two summers. And I was like, all right, I'm I'm
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: full time coach.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why were they? Why is there by taking it
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: so serious? And where they wanted to whoop your ass
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: when you were just there two days like, how much
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: are you guys getting paid?
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, like I think I got five hundred bucks. It
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: was like two fifty plus.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: You know, you know he's not getting rehab incentives. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you know the quarterback, he just tore his acl and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: he just hasn't He's got like a brace stack of bills.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: No, I was just hanging onto the dream.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Hanging on into the dream. Yeah, you obviously just hearing
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: your You grew up your entire life loving football.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: My dad was a coach and at Central Michigan University,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: and so I've been around the game my whole life.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And my grandfather, my mom's dad, was a high school coach.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: So just grew up around football and just loved it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: It was all about it, all about it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: And so when you're at like the Billings Outlaws and
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: you're like kind of bouncing around on your sackingaw, you
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: get fired from Washington, and then you had a point
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: where you were at the Falcons right quarterback coach, and
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: then you went to Notre Dame for a year.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Well, so we get fired from Washington and I well,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about the loneliest time of your
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: life when you have no idea what you're going to
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: do next, and I've got two young kids and my wife.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: But had I worked for Brian Kelly at Central Muscian
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: University and it was lucky and fortunate enough to go there.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: So I spent the fourteen season at Notre Dame and
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: then Kyle in the meantime was going to go with
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: dan Quinn to Atlanta. And he called me up and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: he was leaving Cleveland and that debacle that he had there.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: My brother was actually working for him, and he called
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: me up and he's like, hey, I want you to
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: come to Atlanta. I was like, dude, I got a
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: great job. I was like, my brother's out of a
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: job because you guys are leaving Cleveland. I said, I'm
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: not taking that job if he can't get a job,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: and he goes, I'm going to get you both. So
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: what a cool opportunity for me to go work with
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: my brother in Atlanta. And the first year was a
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: little rough because Kyle's pretty hard on his coaches in
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: a good way because I think it prepares you and
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: it brings out the best in you. But he was
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: hard on my brother and I was probably twice as
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: hard as my brother. So there was some some rough
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: moments in there in twenty fifteen.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: What are those? You got to have some stories with,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: like whether it's a text after a game or a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: group chat, like these coaches that you've grown and they're
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: all in their own head coaching roles or the coordinator roles,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Like after a game when you get one on Shanahan mcveay,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: your brother, there has to be some.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Type of communication right there is like you know, maybe
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: just like my brother is a guy that I'm going
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: to talk to after every game, win or lose. But
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: there's some games when, like when you lose a game,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: it's a pretty miserable feeling, as you guys both know.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Because what people don't, I don't think really can understand
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: is how much time and effort and energy go into
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: a three hour window and like your all your work
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: is on display, and no matter how you prepared that week,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: whether you had the best week of preparation or the worst,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: all they care about is the outcome. So I think
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: like it's emotional right when you lose a game and
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you're you're pissed off because you put so much time
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: into it. And so there's some games when we lose,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I don't want to talk to anybody, and I don't.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Throw you a little just a nice little condescending jab
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: like having fun, like yeah, you thought like he just
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: he goes in, he goes into La beats McVeigh and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: he just shoots McVeagh a message.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: No, no, they know they're on the bus.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Afterwards, ayah, you thought great to see you. Yeah, hey
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you said this in the press this week, that work
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: out material.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: There's none of that.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I've never had an exchange like that with with anybody
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: close down.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, you might have some of those conversations amongst
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: your staff, but not none with the competitive I don't
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: think so. It's kind of what's that kind of bush league?
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: It was like for you if I was a head
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: coach and I beat you, I feel like I throw
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you something, Yeah, like maybe shoot you the eyes of Moji.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, not bad.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: That's why that that's what almost led to the from
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: what I heard, the hardballs Schwartz. Remember that interaction, Yeah,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the handshaking, the slop on the back, that's right, Jim, right, Yeah,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: remember when Schwartz ran him down.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Have you had an aggressive exchange postgame with a coach?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say aggressive, but there's been some I would say,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: contentious moments where you know.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: You want to say names.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, that was a
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: bad deal. The pregame with a fan is a bad deal.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what what happened there? I mean that was a
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: pretty that was going around the internet.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine there was after this fan. Well,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: it's just so this guy was walking, you know, like
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: usually there's some healthy banner sometimes with some of those
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: guys that are holding the flag getting ready for the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: national anthem, and I mean this guy's like throat slashing
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: our players. And I could see our bunch of our
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: players getting worked up, and I'm like, what that this
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: guy's in our space. It's different when it's coming from
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the stands, right and got You expect that people are
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: going to talk. You're you're in enemy territory. You know
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: they're going to talk, trash you. You don't even hear
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: that noise, it's just noise. But when you're in our space,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: on our field and you're doing this in front of
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: our guys and riling them up. I got a problem
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: with that. So I said something. He said something back,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: and I was like, is this really happening right now
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: as we're walking towards each other. So it was just
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: one of those.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Are you thinking at any point I might have to swing?
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going to happen, to be
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: honest with you, Yeah, but I got to give the
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: officials a lot of credit. One of the officials came
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: in and just kind of side checked the guy pretty
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: pretty good. I was pretty impressed. But it's it should
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: never happen. It should never happen, And like you know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: you always reflect on what you could have done that differently.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: It Preace would have just ignored it, but you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the heat of the battle.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you're talking about you spend a whole
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: week preparing, getting the guys ready. You're looking to your
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: your top twenty five plays, you're bringing to the guys
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: on Saturday. You're giving a speech. Now you're setting up
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: everyone's anxiety to the roof the peak. Anxiety is always
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: a national anthem. You're wondering, am I is this the
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: day I finally get got Your confidence is high low,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: all these different things, and then you got some guy
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: who has the luxury of holding our nation's flag for
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: the national anthem, and he's doing a bunch of shit.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I'm sure, Like logically, it's like you handled it fine, well,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: appreciate shut up, Like obviously you take all those things you.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Put tattletale, How crazy is that? Were you there for that?
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Did you hear that part? The tattletoe thing?
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: We just talked about it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: I know, but I'm saying, were you in the room
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: when that happened?
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I can't remember that civic card. No, no, we're having
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: a moment. No, no, hey he said that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, we got and we didn't
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: start the play.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: If I told if I told the Tetale story, no, no,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: no cespn I was, so I jumped to were you
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: in the room when that happened? I was reflecting back
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: on the beginners.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I think I was focused on trying to like just
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: get a first down at that point, and I saw
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the commotion.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the commotion. From a coaching standpoint, you talk about
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the week and the process it takes. I feel like
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: every year of a couple of years, there's always one
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: game where the coaches come in the next week and
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: they're like, I knew this was going to happen because
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: there a lack of preparation. The week before, like you
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: lose a game and it's like you could tell the
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: boys weren't focused up. How do you work through the
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: process when you see maybe your team is in as
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: focused as you liked to be going into a week.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Well, you try to get in front of that if
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: if you feel it some type of way in the moment,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna say it like hey man, we
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: better lock in or we're about to get our ass beat.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: So you try to stay in front of it. But
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I've also experienced when I don't think we've had the
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: cleanest of practices where we've gone out and had a
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: kick ass game, and vice versa where we've had great
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: practices and we go out there and land eggs. So
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: you know, you try to take it for what is
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: what it is and just hope our guys are balling
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: on Sundays.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: We were trying to get some some pregame speeches out
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of Josh last night, but he was saying, you play
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to your strengths. Well, like you have your words, you
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: have your things that you hit them before the game,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: but then you kind of let the players say whatever
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: they need to say because we're trying to be like,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: how's this speech game? How's his motivational speeches? He did
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: say you spit fire after you guys win games. All right,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: he said, you always got some nice bars when you
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: come in the locker room and you say whatever you say.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: But he was giving you some flowers. Okay, we're looking
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: for some funny moments.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: But because yeah, I think I'm more a little bit
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: more serious probably, And I mean, you guys have been
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: around me, won't you say so?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah? But you as the head coach, I haven't been
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: around it. Some some guys go. Some guys like flip
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a different switch when they go from coordinator position coach
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and then one day.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the NFL too. I've never really
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: been around coaches that like get the boys hyped up.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: It's more like, you know, this is a job, this
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: is your process, Like these are the keys to victory.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Onward, John Grude will get your pits hot?
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Really yeah, because Rabel the coolest thing. Yeah See, I
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: had a high school head coach, Charlie Ragel, who would
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: literally make you run through a fucking wall with a speech.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: But after that it was kind of just like you
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: go play the game and play well, that's what we
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: do here? Fuck, all right, guess that's what we're doing.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: What was it like for you calling places for the
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: first time, the first time, having a shoot in your hand?
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: The game is yours, it's your chessboard.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Well, the first time, I want to say, the first
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: time I ever called plays was in the stadium here. Yeah,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Sean had me it was back in It would have
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: been twenty seventeen with the Rams. It was a preseason game.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: He's like, all right, you're calling it today. I was like,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: all right, And it was a fun experience. That's in
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the National Football League. I had called plays, you know,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: at Ashland University back in the day, but in the
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: National Football League, I think it was right here. And
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: then I want to say that our year together in
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, didn't we open up the preseason here as well? Yeah,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: so it's kind of ironic how it all comes full circle. Yeah,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: but that first year in twenty eighteen of really especially
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: you get into the regular season, I realized quickly it
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: can be a lonely world, especially when sh ain't going right.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the Baltimore Raven game and we got
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: absolutely trashed something like that. Yeah, it was eleven Okay,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: we had like one hundred and twenty yards or I
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: don't even know. That might be generous of total offense.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And the whole stadium is booing your offense every time
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: you go out on the field and lonely man, it's
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: it's a I'm like, hey, is anybody got any suggestions?
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: And it's straight crickets on the headset.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: When you know, except for those guys here in the
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: anybody got suggestions?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm just saying nothing's working, so does somebody
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: else have a better idea? And that that that kind
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: of happens naturally in games. It's it's funny, you know,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: when things are really rolling, everybody has an idea, but
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: when things aren't going good, it's crickets. Yeah, So like.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Shit, I'll not put my ass on the line right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: When games gets games like the Ravens games aren't going well,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: At what point do you just say, hey, let's pack
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: it in, We're going to run the ball and get
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: out of here.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I just don't have that mentality, really. I mean, don't
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: get me wrong, there's been games, especially I know here,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: where you're like, you know, the game is over and
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: you just don't want to get anybody hurt, so you
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: do kind of resort to that. But you know, I
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: also think that there's sometimes if you're getting your butt
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: whipped and you want to get some momentum to try
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to get something going maybe for the next week, so
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: maybe the guys give the boys a little confidence.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this in football, it's such a relationships driven business,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: but also at the end of the day, it is
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: just a business with your journey and coaching. Would have
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: been a couple of conversations that have been the hardest
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: to have, whether you've gotten fired and been caught off
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: guard about it from somebody that you didn't think it
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: would come from, or maybe you're leaving a situation and
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you're going into that you're going into that the coach's
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: office to tell him, or you've even let somebody go
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: as a head coach, like would have been a couple
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: of your hardest moments or conversations with somebody, or even
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: again you might be on the receiving end. But I
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: would love to know because we have a head coach
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: on and I'm always curious because you know how it
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: is like when you get cut and you might be blindsided.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I don't know. I never played
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: in the.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: N I'm saying getting fired, it's like getting fired, yeah, right,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: like everybody gets fired. So and sometimes it comes out
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: of nowhere, or sometimes you're having a conversation with somebody,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: whether you're getting benched, and it comes out of nowhere,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and you feel a little slighted and bitter because of
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the relationship you feel like you have. But and it's
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: hard to compartmentalize and separate the business from the relationship
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: at times. But I would love to know as a
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: head coach and knowing that you've been in a lot
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: of different spots there with friends too.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that's the danger is when you go
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: through something together, especially something hard together, you form a
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: bond with somebody and then at some point that comes
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to end and end for all players and for me
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: when I have to let go of coaches that guys
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: that have poured everything into it and for whatever reason
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: it doesn't work out. And that it's always the danger
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: of hiring people that are close to you as well.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean this well known I let Joe
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Barry go, who's a very dear friend of mine, and
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: that that was like one of the toughest conversations I've
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: ever had with somebody.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: So how do you even prepare for that? Like it's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: like you can't sit.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Here, he could give you any You can't prepare for it.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: You just you just That's why you just got to
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: tell people the truth and whatever happens happens, but at
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: least your truth how you see it. And that's why
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I just think you've got to be honest with people.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: And it happens with players. When you have, especially veteran players,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: you might maybe aren't performing to the level that you
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: feel like they should be performing at and you're going
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: to make a change and set them down. And I
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: mean those are those are off conversations, but conversations that
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you absolutely have to have that you can't avoid.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Has any conversation with sideways, You don't have to say names,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: but if you have, is there any sideways? Yeah, we're
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a conversation.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a few.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Really, Oh yeah, standing up, getting your face a little bit.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I've had a player a couple of years back.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: It was just him and I and this is before
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: we had we renovated our offense offices and we're in
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: a different spot at the stadium now, But I mean
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: we're in this center block room. I thought he's gonna
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: whip my ass and there was nobody around, so I
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: was just like, oh, well here here it goes. Guys,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: this is this is the end, This is it, this
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: is it, and you just try to de escalate the situation.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: But sometimes there's no getting through. And it was one
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: of those situations. So but I'm still here today, so
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I lived to tell about it. He put his hands
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: on you, it was I thought it might go down,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: but that didn't.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Does he get there because he's like, you say, we're
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: going to want ever let you go, and he's just like, no, you're.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Not show Definitely, I would say everyone's a little bit different,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: but yeah, there's.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: You.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Just the one thing I've learned, the more you can
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: take emotion out of any conflict, and you can use
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: this in your personal lives as well, like I know
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: with my wife, the more I can take the emotion
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: out of it, usually the better the conversation goes.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that advice, but sometimes they want the emotion. They're like, hey,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: what are you feeling well? So maybe you want the emotion.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Maybe you did something you want to talk about.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm feeling shame.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Why.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of the words, the seven
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: words feelings, seven emotions that you can feel. But there
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: his tres value in you know they're like, oh, confusion,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: that's not a feeling, that's a thought. I hate that.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: That's deep.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, getting cuts not fun. How times were you cut?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: That's the squad Titans Raiders three. That's not bad.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I think as you were almost on every team, I feel.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Like it has more. Yeah, well, it's like he was
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: almost a green Bay packer.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Bro Was he actually almost Green Bay packer? You guys
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: brought up his get brought up in a meeting room.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about him.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Man, it was Lafleur's first year.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I had I had no I had no sea.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: He had no he he couldn't swing to bat, but
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: he wanted to. I don't know how much it happened,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: but I think you're one to like he's you were saying,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: this is when I ended up going to the Saints
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: in Oakland that year, But he wanted to go into
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: a meeting. I think pitch a few veterans. It was
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: like myself, I think Chris Thompson, if I can remember correctly.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: It's amazing what people do remember though, right because I
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: wanted this and sometimes they remember a little bit different
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: than you remember. But you don't remember that way. Wow,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I mean that was a long time ago.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Text me.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: That's Mad's way of saying, no, he does not remember.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Well. He can even say like, I mean he already
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: said like it wasn't close, like even when I was
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: going and worked out with the Saints and ended up
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: signing with the Saints because Ko was here, like it
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: was just set up that was it would have been
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: lovely for the boy, and.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: It would have been great because I know he's he's
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: about the right stuff.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: That's that's it seems like the Will Compton, like every
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: coach you talked to, it's been to come across school
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: confidence like that.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Is the guy, because otherwise he wouldn't have lasted as
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: long as he lasted if you wouldn't have been about
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: the right compliment.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: But no, he's right.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: But that's it's like I told you earlier. Sometimes you
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: know you just got to go with the truth.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Ye yes, yeah, that's something. I'm proud of it that
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: he doesn't feel like a backhanded compliment.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, you should be proud of it. Yeah, yeah, I
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: played a long time in this leep. Was it almost ten?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Almost ten? Almost ten?
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Some argue eight.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Prable argues eight because he doesn't give me the practice
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: squad or he says the first year was a practice
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: squad year. I was like, bro, the last game of
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the season. This was in thirteen. Yeah, when we were
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: at New York was London Fletcher's last game. I got
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the backup London Fletcher for his final game of all time.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: But that's when I got to I was on the
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: active roster for one game recorded once that got one
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: tackle and kickoff. So I am in the books for
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: that rookie year. Now if you go by the credited
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: and everything else, like yeah, I mean.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I gotta give it to a practice squad. To me,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: that counts. I'm counting it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Count he see. Yeah, up all the time with Jordan
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Reed it was brutal.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: So wait, does it actually in the in the real
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: world does that You got the credited season though.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Right, So since I'm vested, they count your practice squad year.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, I bet you know. I don't want to bring
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: will and I got into a whole thing. I was
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: making a joke one time about eight things got a
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: little fiery, and I started basically did all the things
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: he just said to you, but in a very demonstrative way. Understandably,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: I was trying to poke the bear a little bit.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: But right then and there, I was like, I don't
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: know if so, does it actually count it?
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: So the moment you get vested like it was four years. Yeah,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: once you get four years, then they go back and
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: count one practice squad year. So say I had two
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: practice squad years, like Lorenzo Alexander was somebody he played
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: like fourteen years and he started off to practice squad years.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: They only give they only give credit for well, they only.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Give you credit for one.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Have you ever been in a situation the kind of
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: like Will was and where coaches are kind of being like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I need to get this guy three games to get
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: him a credit and season. Have you ever had a
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: sip with your guy where were like, all right, we'll
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: get him dialed or we'll give him a shot. We'll
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: see if we can make.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: It work for three weeks, not not too many, no.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: No, but it's come across once in a while.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: That's how it was with Pisacia but we'll never you know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: we were always going to do what's best for the team,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: so as you.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Should love everybody.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: No, I know. Yeah, It's like even when we were
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: trying to get year ten to happen, it was like
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I was telling her, you just give me three weeks.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: But what how I was going to finish his thing off?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: How I wasn't close to becoming a packer, Like even
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: when the Saints came in the hotel room and they
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: gave me the contract to sign and had me mulled
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: over for that night, because I remember being on the
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: phone with you too, called my wife called you guys,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I low key, I was like kind of struggling if
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I even wanted to do it.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: But I remember calling broke some conversations.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I swear to God, I will get on a plane
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: right now and go to Green Bay and play for
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: you guys, if if I can get it off, if
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: we can get it off from the table, or if
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: you can do anything like seeing.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I think I straight up with you, Yeah, you.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Were, You're like, man, it's not gonna happen. You need
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: to you need to go ahead and take that, Like
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: is just not a whole lot that I'm able to do.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I was one too.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I was trying hard to get number fifty one. What
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: could have been did he did you that conversation?
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Like immediately like what he called you? Did you know
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: what was coming?
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Or was he yeah? Blinds we were in communication training.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Camp, but hey, you in shape?
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, so there was you didn't blindside him with the conversation.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: That was just no, yeah, yeah, yeah, like we were.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I think we got on the phone and we were again,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: are you in shape? And stuff like that. He might
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: have wanted to pitch a few veterans in a meeting
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: that was coming up, and then I would check in
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: either through him or Ko and like, Hey, what's the
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: what's the skinny? Ko be like, man, I don't even
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: go out to the workouts. And then when the same
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: thing happened, I was like, so are you sure nothing
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: can shape up with the Green Bay Packers? He's like nah, Man,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I would have been I kind of selfishly want you,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: but yeah, working out. It would have been fun.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Talk to me about your process of getting this job,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: because we I don't know how much you were to
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: talk about what we were talking about before the podcast
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: started twenty eighteen year with the Titians and then all
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, it's like you're You're with the Packers.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: And it was like I remember myself thinking like, damn,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I was bummed out that you were gone. I ended
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: up being happy because.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Art, Yeah, they Drap's made a great decision in
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: promoting Art. Yeah. It was one of those deals where
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I got a call after the season. If you remember right,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: we had a play in game to make the playoffs,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: unfortunately against the Colts and it didn't go our way.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: But I got a call that I was going to
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: interview for this job, and I knew I was the
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: last interview and I was like, all right, well, shoot,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I got nothing to lose, and I'm pretty I'm pretty
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: hard on myself anyways, and I went through the interview process.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Matter of fact, the Packers flew up to Nashville. I
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: had the interview at a hotel in Nashville, and I
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: called my wife right after and she's like, well, how
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: to go? And I was like, I think it went
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: pretty well, and she says that's the moment she thought like,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: oh no, here we go. The next day, I get
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: a phone call from Aaron Rodgers and I'm like, that's interesting,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And I was actually thinking that it would be lead
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: to the second round of interviews, being that I've never
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: really been up here. But they called me later that
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: afternoon and offered me the job, and it was. It
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: was a pretty unbelievable moment in my life, one that
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: What was that conversation like with Aaron Rodgers? Like did
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: it did you have his number saving your phone or
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: did this come up like a random number?
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: No, who's it? I had?
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: They had given me a heads up that Aaron was
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: probably going to be calling me at some point. He
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: called me, We talked for like, I don't know, forty
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: minutes or whatever, and it was. It was a great conversation. Obviously,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: it went well enough where I think I'm sure he
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: reported back and said that we had a great conversation
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: and the rest is history.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: How was that process like the conversation with the Titans,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Like when you're interviewing or looking to take on a
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: different job.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I was pretty easy. I'm saying, hey, guys, I'm I'm
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: leaving to be the head coach of the Green Bay Packers.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I think everybody understood that, So, yeah, it was. It was.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: It was a very easy conversation, and I'm sure there
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: were some people in that building that were glad that
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I was leaving too.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Makes it easier.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, God, I wish we would dip into that more.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: What the just the coaches that that that inside ball
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: of the Titans and all that stuff that went down.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like the bureaucracy's everywhere, right, like everybody,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: there's going to be haters on the inside. The little
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I always loved how Ray would say, it's a loser talk.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: You get guys get into their clicks, losers start talking
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: about the negative, YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's like, you know what my favorite
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: time with the Titans was. That was when Will Compton
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: did Mike Frable and the team meeting Halloween. That was
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: it was so spot on. It was unbelievable and.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: It couldn't have come at a perfect time.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Because and I want to know who recorded that, Darren Bates, Oh, I.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Think it was Betsy Yeah, I think it was dB
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Iraq pos Usually that.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Is kind of a rack, you know, you don't film
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: those those types of meetings.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think we knew going into it. I
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: think rack or dB or somebody was saying, hell, they
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: were going to get recorded. Yeah, because I was nervous
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, because Wesley Woodre was kind of be like,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you should do it, Like guys
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: could get like cutover stuff like this. Like he I
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: guess he had an experience maybe in Denver. It's where
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: somebody might have did something for the rookie. Yeah.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was I didn't think it was
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: disrespectful in any way.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, I didn't think when you see when
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: you were about to do it, it's like you have
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the the culture building that Rabel was doing. He did
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: a great job of like separating the you know, being
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: a players guy but also a coach and making sure
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: things ran strict and smooth to where you know he
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: was tired, like he was a hard ass at times,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: especially in training camp kind of where the nerves are
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: coming from. Like, man, I hope you know he takes this.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Find it when we have a rookie skit. If they
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: don't clown on me a little bit, I'm usually disappointed.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you're thinking, what have I been doing and
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: not make these guys feel comfortable enough to joke on me.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think you go into it with that
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: mindset he can't be sensitive.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: It was a good It was a good time though.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: We had some good.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Laughs that that was awesome.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: But understanding your nerves for sure too, because like twenty eighteen,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel was a different cat like and we were
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: all kind of just trying to figure him out. And
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: after practice and practices were hard. He was hard on us.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Those team meetings, buttles are tight every single camp.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Practicely, that was the one year and I've talked about
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: it before, but that was the one year where a
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: lot of the times I was not looking forward to
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: driving into work, like I would wake up and not
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: have the mentality I had. I was just watching before that,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: but not have the I'd be like dreading going into work,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: really dreading going into whatever the team meeting, whatever he
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: was going to do in the team meeting, and if
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: you lost, it just felt like the world was crumbling.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And usually, just in a lot of our experiences in
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: the National Football League, you flip that script because you
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: got to get onto the next week. Yeah, you try
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: to give the lessons and you try to learn from it,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: and then you're onto the next opponent. But yeah, I
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: do remember those lingering a little bit.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there were there were the that was the
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: That was one year that those moments were seeping because
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I remember I coming sit next to the locker and
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Derek Morgan was next to my bed. Man, I fucking
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: hate this shit. Sometimes I'll just be laughing, kind of
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: like bonding over the embracing the suck.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, there were a few team meetings where I
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: was I said the same.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Things, just hoping, you know, all the team keys everything.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Because eighteen was kind of a ship show. Nineteen is
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: when like he showed like being a little more easier.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: We lose.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: It wasn't so tough.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I was best. Yeah, that was way different.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: You could just tell he was kind of like finding
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: his footing as a head coach, understanding the process.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: But I will say it takes some time. Yeah, it
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: definitely takes some time. I would say, if you asked,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: we don't have too many guys that were here in
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen when I got hired, but we've got Kenny Clark,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Elton Jenkins. I would bet if you ask those guys,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: they would tell you I'm a lot different then than
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: I am now.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Do you go through a process after your first season
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: as a head coach and like evaluate how you handle.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're always I think that's that's part of it.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: If you want to be the best you can be,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: is you know, sometimes you got to look at yourself
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: in the mirror and say, oh, man, I did not
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: handle that situation well and be real about it. So
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I think you're constantly evaluating, constantly evolving in order to
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: be your best.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: How does the evaluation look though, because it's like you
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: can look in the mirror and be like, I could
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: have handled that better. But sometimes you don't know if
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: your blind spots are unless you're asking people close to you.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: It's like, man, I need you to be trans.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: You got to have truth tellers and sometimes you don't
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: want to hear the truth. And I've got a couple
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: of guys on my staff that will You know, a
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: guy like Darryl Franklin who will, uh, sometimes tell me
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: the ship that I don't want to hear, and sometimes
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I might get pissed off about it, but he keeps
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: coming back to me and he's resilient in that regard.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Joe mckillop's another guy like you've got to have guys
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: around you that will will feed you the hard truth
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: and you know, you just sometimes you got to accept it.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Uh. With Since being a head coach, what do you
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: feel like it has been your looking back, like, what
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: do you feel like it's been your biggest challenge?
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Biggest challenge? Yeah, I mean there's been too many biggest challenges.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I mean we've navigated through some What's.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: One that's yeah, that's true, what's one that yeah? I
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: guess some stuff times I was going to ask, what's
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: one that's been surprising that you're like, Oh, this is
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: a challenge I wasn't even thinking about or I had
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the fourth thought for it.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I mean there's there's I feel like there's stuff that
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: comes up almost every well, it comes up every so
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: often where you just get caught off guard, you know
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: where whether it's guys are upset about you know, playing
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: time or production, whatever it may be that you're like, wow,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: that that came out of left field that you have
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: to handle in the moment. But to sit here and
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: pinpoint and say just one, I think it's it's tough
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: to do because whether it's coaches, players, you're just dealing
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: with so many people. I think that's what separates our
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: game from most of these other sports is when you
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: think about it, you've got, especially off season, you've got
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: a ninety man roster. We've got like, I don't even
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: know how many coaches we have now, it's like twenty
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: five coaches, and you're you're dealing with you know, athletic
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: training staff, strength staff, you're scouting department. You're just dealing
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: with a lot of people that naturally, shit happens and
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: stuff comes up that you can't possibly prepare for.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: With the draft being in Green Bay, what is different
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: about this draft for you guys compare to other drafts.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Because I would say, all this media stuff that we're doing.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is right, Yeah, this is sure.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: That's your favorite.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: One absolutely is keep telling yourself that, Well, there.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Was some media. There was some media saying that, like,
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: you know, people talk about the draft and how you know,
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: this is not the strongest draft in the world, and
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of these guys in the twenties are trying
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: to maybe trade out of it and stuff like that.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Do you is there ever, like a pressure from the
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: NFL for the team that if the draft is the
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: draft is in Green Bay, It's like Hey, we need
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: to make sure you guys have a first round draft pick.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Is that I don't believe, So I don't think we'd
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: operate that way anyways. We're always going to do what's
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: best for the Packers and whether you've got a first
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: round pick or not. But I think there's a ton
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: of good players in this draft, and who really knows.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you, isn't that weird? I'll tell
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: you in two or three years. Yeah, there's some guys
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: that are going to come in this league and have
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: instant success. But you guys know you've been through it.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're a lot different player your rookie years.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: You were three years into it, so you know you
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: got to give these guys an opportunity to go out
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: there and perform.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: What's your best war room story?
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: War room story?
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, day of the draft.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Oh man, you're trying to put me on the spot. Well,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: what I felt like?
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: You got something probably just jump out at you in
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: your mind. I mean, there's just remember and you'll always remember, like, man,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: that moment kind of changed X, Y and Z, or
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: this guy was right here when I was saying something different,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: or I was right here when they were saying.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say there's some moments where hey, we're
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: going to draft this guy and you're like, no, I
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: don't want that guy. And there's some back and forth
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: and hopefully you can come to a consensus conclusion on it.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: And but ultimately I'll tell you this. I can tell
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: you that we've drafted players that I haven't been really
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: excited about that two years down the line I was
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: ecstatic about and I'd be like, man, can you drop names?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Because to me, that's a compliment. It's like you you're fired.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I was wrong.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: I just I don't want to do that.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Damn.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'm not giving a.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Name and I'll never forget this. So we're in l
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: A And we drafted Cooper Cup and I thought we
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: needed a speed receiver and it didn't take long before
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: I realized. I was like, God, damn, I'm glad we
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: got Cooper Cup because he was a baller. So and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: I know that makes me look like an idiot, because
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: how couldn't you see that Cooper Cup was going to
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: be what.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: What is a kid coming a white kid out of
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Eastern Washington, like you know, you know, the flu.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Was saying that too, Like, hey, like he's playing like
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: we need w a whatever that is, we need speed. Yeah,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: not a white guy. Where did he go? Washington?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: We went, We went and worked, and he's been I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: mean he's been balling ever since he came in the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: league his first year and was bawling and he would
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: he would have crossed you over, just like that kid
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: at Oregon did on that Choice.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: Man with Like you talk about Cooper Cup, like he's
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: known as a gold worker. Who are some of the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: best workers you've been around? Like from player standpoint, best workers,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Like the best workers are like this guy, no matter
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: what he's going to be, he's just a grinder.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's easiest if I talk about some of
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: the guys from our team right now, like a guy
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: like Tucker Craft coming in and just to watch him
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: work on a daily basis. I mean he's here even
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: when the players don't need to be here in the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: off season and he's in there every day just grinding
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: a way.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: And he did.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: And I think he's going to get better and better
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: and better because of what you mentioned, just his work
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: ethic and how he approaches the game. I love his mindset,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: but there's there's there's I mean you guys, I mean
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: I would say you guys were great workers. Once you
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: once you agree.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like to think I was a hard worker.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so both of you guys, watching you guys work,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: it was impressive.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: It was nice. Get insulted. But then all of a sudden.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Comes back around.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: It comes back around.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: He streat me like a lady. He's like being mean
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: to me, And what's man? You do a good job.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: To Dan Lanning the game he's playing.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's playing chess right now?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: Uh, do you have anything else? Do you want to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: do the bud Like question?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did a bud Like question. Go ahead, our
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: bud Light question brought to us by bud Light. You
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  Speaker 1: coach will for you know people would do anything for
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  Speaker 1: a bud light. What would you do anything for?
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  Speaker 2: You want funny or serious?
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  Speaker 1: If you have one of one of each, then we'll what.
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  Speaker 2: Would I do anything for? I would definitely. I know
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  Speaker 2: you guys said this earlier, but you know I would
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  Speaker 2: definitely do anything for my family.
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  Speaker 3: So I forgot to get the insurance and I forgot
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  Speaker 3: to get no family.
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  Speaker 2: No family, family, why kids? Yeah, you would do anything
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  Speaker 2: for your family? You want to. I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 2: I did for my family one time. So Milwaukee Bucks,
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  Speaker 2: right they win the NBA Championship, and my wife and
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  Speaker 2: I were we were celebrating at the arena and having
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  Speaker 2: champagne and with a bunch of people from the Bucks,
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  Speaker 2: and I was thinking, after the game, so we were
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  Speaker 2: staying in Milwaukee, I'll just get an uber and go
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  Speaker 2: back to the hotel or whatever. And I didn't realize
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  Speaker 2: they kind of like what they've done here for the Draft,
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  Speaker 2: where they just close off a bunch of streets. So
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  Speaker 2: it was really hard to get an uber. You couldn't
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  Speaker 2: get anything close to the arena. So we had to
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  Speaker 2: take a walk. And we're walking down by all these
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  Speaker 2: bars in Milwaukee Crosswater Street and we're walking along and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden we hear and it was gunfire
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  Speaker 2: going off. And I I immediately initial reaction and you
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  Speaker 2: just start taking off and I look behind me and
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  Speaker 2: my wife's and heels and I'm like, let's go. She's like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't run. I'm in heels. So I literally fireman carrier,
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  Speaker 2: put her up on my shoulders, run across the street
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  Speaker 2: around the corner about two three blocks to get her
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  Speaker 2: out of harm's way.
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  Speaker 3: So fucking Superman out here.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's adrenaline. That was a lot of adrenaline right there.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to keep on running based
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  Speaker 3: on this story.
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  Speaker 2: Right up to some police officers and may have may
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  Speaker 2: or may not have name dropped and said, hey, can
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  Speaker 2: you help me get back to my hotel? And they
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  Speaker 2: got us there. So but in the process of that,
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  Speaker 2: as I was scooping her up, there was a railing
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  Speaker 2: that separated the sidewalk from the bars. May have skimmed
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  Speaker 2: her eye across that railing a little bit, and as
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  Speaker 2: I'm as I'm running with her, she's telling me to
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  Speaker 2: to set her down. I'm like, oh, no, we're getting
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  Speaker 2: out of here. So but yeah, outside of that, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I would do anything for a Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Ring you know what we have to ask you now,
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know it's coming. So Mike Rabel, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: said he would cut off his penis for a Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Talked about how long he was married, kids, the whole
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  Speaker 3: thing he had. He won three as a player, he
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  Speaker 3: made sure to mention that and then said he would
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  Speaker 3: do it for a Super Bowl as a coach. Would
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  Speaker 3: you cut your dick off for a super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I can go that far.
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  Speaker 1: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, it's fair, that's.
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  Speaker 1: Fair and logical. Like I thought for sure you were
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  Speaker 1: ready to say, yeah, you're like I would do anything
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  Speaker 1: for a super Bowl, and.
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  Speaker 3: I would that Yeah, yeah, I do know what's coming in.
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  Speaker 3: The answer is no.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think is going to take for you
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  Speaker 1: guys to get over the humph?
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's a great question. That's something that I've
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  Speaker 2: obviously been thinking about for six years now in my
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  Speaker 2: time because we've gotten close. Yeh uh. I just think
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  Speaker 2: like when you get to the NFL playoffs, it is
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  Speaker 2: Sean McVay and I talk about this all the time.
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  Speaker 2: It's March madness. So it takes you playing your best
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  Speaker 2: in the moment and we've got to make the plays.
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  Speaker 2: And certainly there's always things as you can do as
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  Speaker 2: a coach that could be better, but you need everybody
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  Speaker 2: clicking on all cylinders because we've been right there. Shoot,
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  Speaker 2: we hosted an NFC championship game in Lambeau. Unfortunately it
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  Speaker 2: was the year that it was the COVID year, and
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  Speaker 2: you don't get to take advantage of that home field crowd.
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  Speaker 2: So I just think we need everybody to perform in
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  Speaker 2: those tough moments because I mean, when you get to
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  Speaker 2: that stage, I mean it's the margins are razor thins.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to be at your best. That's what
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  Speaker 2: it takes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. In the health health, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And we were healthy the majority of that season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean not to mess your division is just
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  Speaker 3: scary good.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pretty pretty competitive division right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Vikings, Lions, Bears.
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  Speaker 3: Now, it's like a Wizard of All his story.
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  Speaker 1: Man, do you have beef with coach Johnson?
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  Speaker 2: I was waiting for this. I don't know Ben Johnson?
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  Speaker 1: So do you have beef?
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  Speaker 2: Do I have beef? I don't know Ben Johnson. I
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  Speaker 2: respect him as a football coach. I think he did
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  Speaker 2: a nice job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but do we not feel in all the feeling
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  Speaker 3: the same thing right now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But if you don't know him, why why
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  Speaker 3: why is it tight in here?
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  Speaker 2: It's not tight? I'm not tight, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: What was interesting?
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  Speaker 2: I thought the press conference was interesting. But I don't
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  Speaker 2: have beef with him. I don't. I don't get it
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  Speaker 2: all into that stuff. I thought about you you'll harness it.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the emojis after a wind.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know have his number, so that won't happen
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  Speaker 2: to Jim Horball after a game. No, beat, I would
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  Speaker 2: never do that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a strength to do that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, probably not apparently not apparently not.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, I'd never do that.
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  Speaker 2: You think, am I not not strong enough for you? Will?
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  Speaker 1: I know you're And you told your peck.
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  Speaker 2: I did a year ago. It's it's a lot better now.
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  Speaker 2: A year ago. I flew back on draft d Ay
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  Speaker 2: after getting surgery. No ship.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how'd you tear your pack?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Bench pressing?
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  Speaker 1: How much was on the rack?
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  Speaker 2: Fifteen? Be honest, man, huh how much you think will one?
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  Speaker 1: Thirty five?
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  Speaker 2: It was not one little more two to a two?
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  Speaker 1: Well five? It was no doubt, no doubt, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know we hit one five and then
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  Speaker 1: put the two and a halfs on just to get you.
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  Speaker 1: He had the camera set up just to.
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  Speaker 2: Prove and seriousness. It was one and I was just
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  Speaker 2: wrapping it out, last set, last rep, and you just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you just try to like throw it
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  Speaker 2: up there. Well, I got a little careless with my form,
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  Speaker 2: and sure.
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  Speaker 1: Enough, are you by yourself?
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  Speaker 2: No, I was getting I was in the in our
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  Speaker 2: weight room and our strength coach was right there, thank god,
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  Speaker 2: because one side went up and the other side went
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  Speaker 2: it went right on my chest.
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  Speaker 3: God, did you hit all that shoulder pain or chest pain?
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  Speaker 3: Never feel tired?
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  Speaker 2: Just now just happened.
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  Speaker 3: That's terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'll never do it again.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I will never barbell bench ever again in my life.
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  Speaker 2: I will dumbbell bench, never barbell. So I would tell you.
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  Speaker 1: How old you know, thirty five?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would if I was you, I would never
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  Speaker 2: for barbeo match.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a barbelle in the garage. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: mean you're you're right though, It's like we we bench
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  Speaker 1: pressed more so for ego than anything else. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: sucks though. Did your chest cave in?
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah you could. I had a big differ.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was I had to go tour both
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  Speaker 2: tendons and you know, oh yeah you could feel it.
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  Speaker 1: You could.
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  Speaker 2: I could feel it like when it happened. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 2: I went to doctor Cardasco and New York and had
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  Speaker 2: surgery and it was it was not a good time,
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  Speaker 2: such a pain. But he did a great job. If
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  Speaker 2: you ever tear your pack. Go see doctor cardasco He's
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  Speaker 2: the He's the guy that's the.
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  Speaker 1: Guy to go to. Coach.
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  Speaker 3: We appreciate you man, makes for coming, so thank you
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  Speaker 3: for making the time to come out here.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk more after the no, but you're the best
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  Speaker 1: and good luck this season.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate the guy.
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  Speaker 1: You hope you get whoever you want?
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  Speaker 2: So do I?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, who do you hope you get? This isn't coming
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  Speaker 1: out till next Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know who.
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  Speaker 1: Do you hope you get?
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  Speaker 2: A really good player?
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  Speaker 1: Well? Position? What if we do this?
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  Speaker 3: What if we do this? You call a shot right now,
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  Speaker 3: and if it doesn't hit, we don't put in the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: But if it hits, it's like, oh ship Matt quality.
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  Speaker 2: I really, I really he would Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I just there's a lot of good players. Like I said, So,
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  Speaker 2: whoever we get, we're going to embrace and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to coach them.
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  Speaker 3: I love that hell of a coach. Can't wait to
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  Speaker 3: see you guys, want it all bake hugs time he guessus.
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  Speaker 3: Please subscribe eight five stars, mount the floor, packers, go
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  Speaker 3: pack up.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you all right, guys,