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Entrepreneurial Resilience - Tiny Habits for Lasting Transformation · The One Small Change Podcast

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Welcome to the One Small Change, and I am glad you're back with me this
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week. And I am happy that we're going to be on a journey of exploration
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and transformation. I'm your host, Yvonne McCoy, and I bring
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almost 30 years of entrepreneurial experience and I have a passion for
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discovering growth through the power of seemingly small change.
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And this week we're going to have a guest who's going to be talking about
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how they had a smaller, unexpected or insignificant decision
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at spark both remarkable transformation and growth. And
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it could be in their personal life or their professional life.
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And today we have with us the amazing
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Jena Taylor. Jena, thank you
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for coming and spending time with us today. Thanks,
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Yvonne, for having me. I'm happy to be here. So why
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don't you tell us what you do and what was the thing that made
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you decide to do that and be better at it than
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anybody else? Absolutely.
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I know this is a titled One Small Change podcast
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and I am a story of repeated small
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changes. I had a traumatic brain injury that required
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me to completely learn how to do everything all over again. I couldn't walk,
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I couldn't talk. Not so small,
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right? Yeah. And it, you know, I, I devoted a whole year. I had
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zero short term memory. I couldn't drive, I couldn't work, I couldn't,
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I couldn't function. I remember walking into the kitchen and I didn't know
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why, and so I just stood there and looked at the mountains.
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So what I did at that point was I adapted a
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mantra. And my mantra was reclaim my life. I had
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to reclaim my life. Otherwise,
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what else did I have to look forward to? What was this new version of
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me going to be? Was it going to be
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somewhat similar to what I was prior
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to the accident, or was it going to just be this
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version of that current self that wasn't acceptable to
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me? So I did many small things to
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get to where I am today, but I couldn't get
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to where I am today without each one of those
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small things. And because of
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the, the effort that I did, cognitive therapy,
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occupational therapy, physical therapy,
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I mean, every therapy, vision therapy, I even had to have like
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tape on my glasses so that my vision
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wouldn't be impaired by my frames. So little small
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things like that, and people were like, well, I'll buy you dinner, but you have
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to wear your tape glasses. I'm like, okay, you know,
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I couldn't be in a crowd, I couldn't be in a dark. I had to
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be in a dark room. I had to wear visors, hats,
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earplugs everything. Because I was so
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stimulus sensitive and so because of all
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of these things, I am who I am today. And
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the theme is resilience. And I would go
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through multiple traumatic effect events.
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And one of them was 10 weeks after a major,
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major operation. And the day I had
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the surgery, I went under. I lost my service animal. She died in her
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sleep. And everybody thought, Jena's going to lose her shit. Well,
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I didn't. I had a goal. I had to do more small
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things. I had to do my rehab. And I knew I
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needed another dog in my life. But I couldn't get a puppy because I couldn't
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walk. I had a walker or crutches. And
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ten weeks after my surgery, my longtime partner died
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of a very traumatic death. It was
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long time addiction combined with alcohol withdrawal,
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which if you're not familiar with alcohol withdrawal, it's the most withdrawal of any
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drug. And you can.
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The first 24 hours is the most dangerous. Then 36
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and 72. But within the first 24 hours, the
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hallucinations are pretty good. And he took his own life in a very
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traumatic fashion. So that's kind of when I fell
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apart. And then I had to do one small thing,
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right, to get myself back into my
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resilient shape. And I adopted
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Mickey, my black chow chow. And he got me
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out of bed every day. And that was the one. It was a big thing,
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but it was one small thing that I added to my life. Some people think
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that's a major responsibility, but for me it's not. And that,
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that's how I got back onto my resilient
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theme. So, you know, I think sometimes that
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pe people don't realize, first of all, I'm
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exhausted from everything that you've been through. I, I
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can't even imagine it. But what, what I hear is it's kind of like
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putting one foot in front of another, you know, that, you know, a
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journey starts with that first step.
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And you know, when I was losing weight,
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you know, I, I don't know if I told you at one point I weighed
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440 pounds and I lost almost 200 pounds.
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So. So for me it was about all the small
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things that I did continuously every day, you
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know, that to, you know,
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change old habits and form new habits. And you
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didn't always see the results right away, but
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by the fact that you continued to do it, you started,
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it became cumulative. And so then you
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started to see results, you started to see change.
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Right. So with this
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amazing background and overcoming as much as you did
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tell us what you do for your clients. Thanks.
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So what I do is I take the lessons I learned,
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the tools that I researched, a lot of them are neuroscience
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backed and I, I present
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it with humor and heart.
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And it's like for
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me, when I was going through my brain injury and overcoming all of
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the obstacles and the setbacks, I made it kind
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of like a game because I like games. And if you gamify something,
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your participation in it is a little bit more committed. And
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so I have that. I'm a very playful person by
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nature and so I have that kind of
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an aspect to it that I think brings a lot
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of warmth and encouragement and
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enables people to adapt because there's a
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lot of resistance to change. And if there is a
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warm supporting environment, we all need social
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support. And if we have even just one person who's our
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champion, then, then that fosters that environment.
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And so that's one of the things that really sets me apart from
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other people. In addition to. I'm a
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lived experience. I've lived through this and I
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haven't even, like, there's so many events that I haven't even
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mentioned that people are like, why are you still
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smiling? Why are you happy? Why do you have joy in your life?
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Well, because I, I live resilience and life is
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meant to be lived joyfully. And so I bring that
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into my training. And so you. Do you
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work mainly with entrepreneurs or just anybody who is,
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is trying to recover from, from a particular situation or just wants a
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better life? Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. I work with high
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achieving people, high achieving people because
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they have a higher burning desire and
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you need to have that burning desire. If you're, if you think
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like, let's take my example. When I had my brain injury, I had those two
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choices. I could be the best version of my
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new self or I could accept that I was never going to get better.
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So high achieving people choose that route of wanting
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to be the best version of themselves. And that's important because that facilitates
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change. And then also part of my
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brain injury is I sometimes forget things. Can you repeat the question again? So I
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was saying, who are the people that you work with and kind of what
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situations are they in? Oh, thank you. Yep. So the couple
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different situations. People who want to overcome adversity,
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maybe they're going through a life transition. You know, the sandwich generation. Right
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now, people my age are having aging
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parents move home with them and they're taking care of them. They also have had
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their adult children move back into the house. Like wait a second, when we
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grew up we, we were going to be on our own and the kids were
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on our own and the parents were on their own and three little happy families.
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Right. That scenario is, is different today. And so there
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are people and women especially, we
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sacrifice so much for other people
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at. And we take care of everything and everyone at the end detriment of
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ourselves. And so anyone who, who
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resonates with that is someone that I like to
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work with and burnout anybody in the corporate
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world who's a high achiever and is feeling burned out. And
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the Gallup 2025 State of the
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Workforce has two lists. $2.9
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trillion in losses to US corporations alone
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by disengaged employees. There are a lot of unhappy
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employees in the corporate world. And so if, if you're one of
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them, you could really benefit from my resilience training
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programs. You know, one of the things that you said that, that hit
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home with me is I remember I could not wait
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to leave home. That was like my main goal in life.
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Right. So I feel very weird that all three of my
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kids at some point moved back in. You
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know what I'm talk. Well,
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and there's also grandparents raising grandchildren. Yes,
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yes. I mean life is very different. I mean I, I would
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not have survived and had a business if my husband hadn't
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retired the year that my parents need started to need
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a lot more assistance, you know because he was
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the one that really kind of stepped in so I could still, still
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work my business. And you know, he did a lot of stuff for them.
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So there is that, that feeling of being torn in so many different
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directions. I mean, I think that
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what people don't understand is that
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you get grind down. You.
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Let's see how I can say this. Yes, there are situations like
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yours, like having a brain tumor or having a car accident, you know, that
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are, that are very specific things. Things. But
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the thing I think that people don't realize
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is the detriment that happens from being
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grind down daily to the point that you are
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just. Yeah,
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exhausted, Utterly exhausted. Like no, no gas in the
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tank, no joy, no fulfillment. And when our
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soul is empty, that's a very dangerous place to be.
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And I think, I think people can rebound
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faster from a specific one time
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incident because they know that it is one time. I
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mean it can be huge. But you know that it, you know, you know when
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it started and you know, you know what you have to do
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and, and yes, people go about it differently, but the
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everyday grind, you don't realize when it actually
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started and it just, it's like, you know, putting the
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frog in the boiling water, you know, you know, putting it in the water and
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turning up the heat. It doesn't know, you know, that kind of thing.
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So I could see where this would be of an incredible
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help to people, you know, because. But the problem is that a lot of us
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don't realize it. I mean, how do you, how do you help?
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You know, and I'm going to, because my audience is mainly entrepreneurs.
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Can you talk a little bit about the kinds Absolutely.
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That entrepreneurs face that,
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you know, rejection, rejection, setbacks.
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How many times have we, like I'm, I'm a serial entrepreneur myself, so I get
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it. There's. You're one person typically most of the time
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and you have to wear so many hats. You're wearing the
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greatest, the visionary, the technical.
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Let's not forget your, your own, your, your, you are usually your own IT person.
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And then you have to build this. If it's
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a product and minimal viable product or you have to have something
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out there and if people aren't buying it or if
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they're not happy with it, or if you don't get contracts, whatever
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it is that your business is, you, we
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as business people have to rebound
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from rejection. And I think that's probably
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resilience helps people rebound. And one
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of the, one of the great quotes that Michael, my long term time
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partner would say is he would smile and dial
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because we shared office space and he would be making these
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calls out, just cold calls one
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after another and, and he, I listened to him in awe because
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same same thing. He'd say the same thing, leave the same message. But it
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didn't sound like it was a repeated thing. He was jazzed and I'm like,
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how do you do that? How do you get 10, you know, how do you
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get so many no's and just you just done, dial,
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smile, call, same thing. And he says
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every no gets me closer to a yes. So that, that's the
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resilience. We need to remember when we are in business
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that we are going to have setbacks, we're going to have trials and tribulations and
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then we're going to have some successes. That it's like golf, you
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know, if you play golf, you keep coming back when you have
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that one great shot and that's all it takes in business is that one great
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moment to keep us being resilient. Well,
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I think as entrepreneurs probably we are our worst enemies.
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I mean it's like, oh, I could have done that better? I can't believe I
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did. I mean, I. You know, a lot of times I'll say to my clients,
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would you talk to a friend like that? Right? You know? Yeah.
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I mean, you. Would you go, oh, my God, of course. You know, but, you
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know, we. And. And, you know, my joke is, how
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many times did you quit this week because
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you have something happen? It's like, is this really worth it? It might, you know,
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then, you know, the. The part of you that goes, oh, no, I
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need to do this. I have to do this. You know, and you pick yourself
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back up again. And my quote was, when I was losing,
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it doesn't matter how many times you fall down. It only matters how many times
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you get up. And then I added how fast, because you
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said, well, I'm gonna start again, you know, in a month or a week or
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whatever. It's going to take you forever. But if you can start, you know, rebound
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right away, you know, you know, it.
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It. It's not really. It's a dip. It's not,
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you know, a ditch, I guess. Right, right. And the other thing to
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remember is I'm a man mindfulness practitioner. We
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have to be able to remove that emotional charge from things, right?
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So you. If you envision it, you know, like a TV screen, right.
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Your brain is a TV screen. So an idea comes in,
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it's here. All of a sudden you see it,
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and then you've got to let it go out. And if we
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keep processing things in a fashion like that, it
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removes that emotional charge, which allows us to pick ourselves up a little bit
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faster. Okay, so that. That's a great
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tip. So when you see something and you
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process it, what's the next step?
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So. So you see it, you process it,
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feel it, feel it in its ugliness. If you have to cry,
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if you have to scream, if you have to go, whatever it is,
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emote. Emotion is what
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moves it through. Emotion gives it the motion to leave.
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And then you go, okay, I've emoted done.
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But it's when we hang on to that, when it's here and
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we're hanging on to it, that's what, like, grinds us down.
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Because then we got a chip on our shoulder. We're bitter, we're angry.
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Well, we can't be productive. We can't be. We can't sell ourselves.
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We can't sell our business. We can't come across to our. Our client, our clients
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and customers like everything's great. Like, we're happy if we've got a
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chip on our shoulder or we're angry, we are
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going to project that. And this is one of my favorite
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quotes, Dale Carnegie. People do business. People like to do
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business with people they like. So we have to be our true
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self. We have to be in a homeostat, static place
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in our own life so that we can
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attract the right clients.
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I think I'm listening to what you're saying, and I'm, I'm, I'm kind
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of saying to myself, how many times have I
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heard something or somebody said something that,
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you know, years ago my therapist said, you're a grudge collector.
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Oh, yeah? What's that serving you? Tell you everything that I thought
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you did wrong back to God knows when, right?
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Let go of that. Thank God. Let it go, Let it go.
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The other thing that has helped me is
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understanding that the way we react to things
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a lot of times is based on our previous experience.
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And so we have a default. And,
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and you know, when, when you don't give it any thought, you go to
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that default. And typically that default is judgment.
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You know, it's like something's wrong with somebody, something's wrong with me,
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something. You know, if you can, if you can stop
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that and go to a place of curiosity
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and say, tell me more about that. You know, I mean, I
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used to say to people, this is not a good business
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idea. You know, you're not going to make money on this. Right.
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Which I'm sure was soul crushing, right?
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And now I've learned, and I, I don't think I've ever
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said this in a podcast, but there was somebody, I think on Tick Tock or
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whatever that was selling farts in a jar,
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thousands of dollars. And I was like, if you can make money at this, you
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can make money at anything, right? So after that
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I started saying, all right, tell me more about
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this. Tell me who you think would need this. And being curious and really
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digging into what they were trying to accomplish and, you know, how
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I could help them accomplish that. But I, I'm,
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I started, I got the detoured, but I think the whole
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thing was. How many times do we hear something, make a decision
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about it that
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we're adding to, like a whole bunch of stuff
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that's not necessarily healthy for us. Do you
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know someone? Yeah. It's about prejudice. The problem with prejudice
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is there probably is one seed of truth in it. You
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may have met one person that is a certain thing
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that did a certain thing, and that may be true. And then you
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take that and generalize it to everybody. That's like that person,
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whether it's. Oh, yeah, and that's the same thing with a name. Like if you
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meet somebody and they have, let's say their name's Larry. That's just.
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No, this says, you know, this is fictitious. Right. My example. But
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you met a Larry, and Larry was not kind. Larry was
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bullying. Larry was everything that you just like, oh, right,
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okay. Then you go and you're in your life and then all of a sudden
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you get introduced to somebody whose name is Larry. Oh, now you've got
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everything that you thought about Larry right up here. And you,
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you're projecting your previous Larry experience with
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brand new Larry, who's none of those things. But we
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have this. This, like you say, this
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prejudice that is so buried in our subconscious, or.
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Bias, we can call it. And I think what we do is we collect
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evidence that supports whatever that bias is. So it just
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gets bigger and bigger. And that's where I think what you were talking about,
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you know, processing it and then letting it go. It doesn't,
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it doesn't add to that pile of misinformation.
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You know, it causes us to make, you know, to see the world
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incorrectly or not to see it as. As being as good as it
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possibly could be. This is amazing.
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I, you know, I, I think we could talk about this for a
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lot longer. A really thoughtful frame of mind, but
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let, let's get kind of a little bit practical and stuff. And you
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already gave us one tip, which was, you know,
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take things in, observe it, emote, and then
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get rid of it. Right. If it's not. If it's not useful, I would assume
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y. Do you have any other tips that as entrepreneurs that we can use?
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Yes, this is, this is kind of one of my biggest pet peeves.
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People. People like to be the victim and they like to fall into
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this victim mentality and they use excuses.
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Well, I didn't get that project because they
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weren't ready for me. I didn't get this project because
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they didn't like me. You know, you think of the
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different scenarios instead of using
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that. I'm going to go on that theme of curiosity. When
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you lose a project and you don't get a client or
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a project, you don't win it. Stop
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and be curious. Why Take those
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filters out, remove that victim mentality, have a
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clear head and really reflect on,
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did I do this right? What can I do better? How can I not
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repeat this? What can I learn from this? That's the best one.
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What can I learn from this? So that I'm
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Better. We talked about earlier, the small steps made
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successively make a huge impact. If we do one thing
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differently, how does that change?
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How does that help us? How does that improve our outcome?
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So I think, you know, when you say that one of the.
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It was a small change, but it was a huge change.
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You know, I grew up in a situation where failure was not
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really an option. What I realized was that that was keeping me from
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trying things. If I didn't think I could do it,
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I would. I wouldn't. You know, if I thought I was going to fail, I
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wouldn't do it. It's funny because it, that came up just recently because
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I thought I had pretty much fixed it,
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you know, because what I realized is failure is part of the,
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part of the formula for success. You actually learn more from your failures than you
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do from when you succeed. Because when you succeed, you go, okay, great,
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I'll just do this again. And it. And the same circumstances may not
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be there. And so you do it again and it doesn't work. And you're like,
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huh, Right, Right. My daughter said to me, she was, I, I just
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recently took up Pilates, so for those of you that are getting on the tail
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end of my podcast, you're going to be hearing about Pilates all the time.
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But she said, you know, I've noticed every time the instructor
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asks you to do something, you say no,
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and then you do it. And that's part of that, that, that whole thing.
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I, that whole, you know, years and years of if I
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say no, then I, and then I do something, then I haven't
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failed because I haven't actually committed to doing it. Do
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you know what I mean? It, you know. Yeah. So weird to me, she noticed
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that, that I, that I'm still doing it. So, okay, I took you off. I
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took you off. So we've got the, we've got the, you know, emote. Let it
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go. Get rid of the filters and stop being a victim. Learn from what
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you're doing. And you have a gift too, right? I
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do. I do. I offer free live training with
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me once a month. It's typically the last
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Tuesday of the month with the exception of January, February and March.
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And then it'll be on Thursday. And it's called Resilience
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Reset. And it's a high level,
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meaty one hour session with me to really
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give you some tips that you can use right away to
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start building your resilience and, and think about this. Like if you
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go to the gym and you start lifting weights, you're you want to,
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you know, transform your muscles. So if you take a resilience training
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from me, you are flexing and
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building your resilience muscle that will help you
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navigate life's turbulence. Because life
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isn't always smooth. It's very bumpy. And
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sometimes some people, like me, I've had this
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just really crazy, turbulent life.
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But sometimes you look over and your friend is like, live in,
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like, the dream. And you're like, how is this? You know? But
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every one of us has turbulence in our lives.
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And. And if you flex that resilience muscle
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and build it, you will be able to adapt
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much better, recover faster, and feel better
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when you come through on the other side. And I think there's an. Another
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story. Do I have time for one more quick story? If it's quick.
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Okay, so there's a. A prophecy or, you
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know, something that, like the, the buffalo and the cow and
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in the Indians, the Native American Indians, they
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would, you know, like, you think about the
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buffalo. You see the buffalo, they're
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big, strong, right? And then you got our domesticated cattle.
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Well, be the buffalo. Why?
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Because when there's a storm, the buffalo head
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straight, they duck their heads, and they head straight into that storm.
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They're going to go through the storm faster. It'll be more
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intense, but they're going to get through the storm faster.
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Cattle, on the other hand, they turn tail and
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they walk and they walk the same
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direction as the storm. So they have to go through the
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storm longer at less velocity, but they're
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in it longer. So I always say, be the buffalo.
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Oh, that's fantastic. Okay,
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before we run out of time, when was the last time you did something new
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for the first time? Yeah, I thought you were going to stump me on that
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when I read the question. So I have two examples.
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Two weeks ago, I went to the Modern, the Museum of
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Instrument, Musical Instrument Museum, Mim here
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in Phoenix. And that was the first time. And then
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professionally, I signed up for Riverside
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fm and I'm using them as my podcast
28:04
recording. And it's been learning a lot.
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And I had. I was really stumped by the focus on my camera.
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So, yes, I spent a lot of time learning this week.
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Fantastic. All right, time for commercial before we run out of
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time. So, as always, I'm going to ask you to make sure you share and
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engage on social media about the podcast. And one of the
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reasons that I did it was I want to help you to supercharge your business.
28:30
And I wanted to be able to give back to this community and introduce
28:34
you to a lot of interesting people that could help you to grow your
28:38
business. So I hope that you will continue to join us for the one small
28:41
change where even the tiniest can yield a monumental
28:45
transformation. And if you haven't done it yet, check the first
28:48
episode. And also check the.
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Every quarter I do the cl. The. The quarterly clarity check in
28:55
which I just did, and see if you can come up with any
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ideas. Okay, Jena, what's your
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favorite quote or your. Your last words of wisdom before we end?
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Oh, I have so many. I'm just going to finish
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with the same one. It bears repeating. Dale Carnegie.
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People like to do business. People they like.
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And can I put a plug in for my podcast? Sure. And the notes
29:23
will be that. That will be in the notes as well. So what's the name
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of your podcast? The podcast is Resilience Brilliance, and it
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will be releasing here in October. Fantastic.
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Okay, so there'll be a link for that. There'll be a link for Jena's free
29:36
gift below. And we need to wind up.
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So, you know, I always say, remember, change
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can be simple, but it's not always easy. It requires courage,
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resilience, and a willingness to step out of your comfort zone
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if you are in your comfort zone. If you stay in your comfort zone,
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you are not growing. If anything, the world is going
29:59
forward and you're getting left behind. You are stagnating. So
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I want to make sure that you continue to join us for the one small
30:05
change. As we embark on this journey, I want you to have a
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bold vision and look for innovative possibilities. Until the
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next time you come, stay curious. And, Jena,
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thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Thanks for having me. It
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was great. Bye, everybody. Bye.