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SYSK Selects: Can you die of a broken heart? · Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Josh and I picked this episode of
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Speaker 1: s Y s K Selects just because I thought it
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Speaker 1: was a sweet one. Uh and maybe a lot of
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Speaker 1: you haven't listened to it yet. It was based on
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Speaker 1: an article written by our former colleague Christen Conger lately
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Speaker 1: of stuff Mom never told you, and it has it all.
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Speaker 1: It has quaint Japanese medical terms, suicide pacts among long
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Speaker 1: married couples, and a listener male about Australian national hero
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Speaker 1: Ned Kelly, plus the whole idea of dying from a
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Speaker 1: broken heart. It's just lousy with sweetness. So I hope
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Speaker 1: you enjoy it. If you've heard it before, I hope
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Speaker 1: you enjoy it again. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know
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Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant,
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Speaker 1: and this is Stuff you Should Know the podcast. That's right,
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Speaker 1: let's throw back Wednesdays. It is it did the cheeks
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Speaker 1: to day. Oh yeah, you did the first time in
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Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, but that was for um a
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Speaker 1: take that was abandoned within ten seconds, so it doesn't count. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: a rare, aborted first take that just doesn't happen. No,
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Speaker 1: but you want to tell him why? My brain had
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Speaker 1: some sort of weird uh frizzle, I guess is the
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Speaker 1: only way to put it. I was trying to do
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Speaker 1: the intro and we're doing this episode can You Die
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Speaker 1: have a Broken Heart? And I realized what that Chuck
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Speaker 1: had just been singing? Where do broken Hearts go? And
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Speaker 1: I put two and two together as I was trying
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Speaker 1: to do the intro and screwed it up so bad.
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Speaker 1: But I sung it like five minutes ago. It was
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Speaker 1: a little weird to hit you that late, Like why
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Speaker 1: I was Chuck sing in Whitney Houston? Is that Whitney?
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Speaker 1: I think it is? Okay. If not, we'll find out
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Speaker 1: soon enough. Chuck. Yes, I've got a sad story for you.
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Speaker 1: Sad sweet, bitter sweet. I knew it complete? What is
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Speaker 1: that the band Billy Joel? Okay Uh's piano man? Come on,
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Speaker 1: sadness sweet? And I knew it complete when I never
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Speaker 1: realized that what he was saying was I knew it completely. Okay, Um,
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Speaker 1: I want to tell you about Dr Daniel and Kitty
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Speaker 1: Goot of Milwaukee. Either Goot or GOOTI g ut. Back
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Speaker 1: in two thousand ten, um. Their daughter, I believe, came
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Speaker 1: over and found um her parents, who were in their eighties,
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Speaker 1: um in their garage with a bunch of helium tanks
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Speaker 1: around him. Uh, with tubes coming from the helium tanks
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Speaker 1: going to plastic bags that the goots had over their head.
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Speaker 1: And they were dead helium tanks. Huh, helium instead of
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Speaker 1: just a car. Yeah. Interesting, um, And they had taken
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Speaker 1: their own lives. Uh. Dr goot Um was actually really
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Speaker 1: good health, but his wife had something called poly mayalgia
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Speaker 1: rheumatica phr UM and she was so ring from dementia.
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Speaker 1: And the two had been um together for fifty three years,
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Speaker 1: and they decided that they were going to end their
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Speaker 1: lives together. They were spouses that they didn't want to
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Speaker 1: be a part. One didn't want to live on without
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Speaker 1: the other. So they thought they were close enough to
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Speaker 1: the end. I guess yeah, And uh, well she was
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Speaker 1: and he was in good health, but he didn't want
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Speaker 1: to live without her, apparently, so they took their lives together. Um.
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Speaker 1: And apparently this is something this articles from two thousand ten,
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Speaker 1: and this I don't want to call it a trend,
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Speaker 1: but it's a it's something that's become more prevalent in
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Speaker 1: recent years, especially among the elderly. The suicide aspect of it, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: basically what you would call a suicide pact among elderly
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Speaker 1: people who have been together for a long time, where um,
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Speaker 1: one is dying or one's health is taking a real
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Speaker 1: turn and they decided to go together rather than one
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Speaker 1: try to live on without the other. That's an example
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Speaker 1: of understanding exactly how a couple died together. There's another
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Speaker 1: more mysterious way that couples die virtually together. Um. And
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Speaker 1: it got a lot of press last year, and it's
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Speaker 1: something called broken heart syndrome. Yeah, there's this this idea,
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Speaker 1: This is the very romantic idea sure that if you
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Speaker 1: really love somebody and they die, you're gonna die of
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Speaker 1: a broken heart eventually afterwards. It's possible biologically medically speaking,
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Speaker 1: it makes almost no sense whatsoever. But there actually has
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Speaker 1: been some there's a it's very new this idea, um,
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Speaker 1: but there is some medical evidence to back up the
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Speaker 1: idea that that might be real. Yeah, And we say
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Speaker 1: broken heart in a figurative sense because we know that
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Speaker 1: the heart is the organ that pumps blood, So it
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with love. But you're brain has
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Speaker 1: a lot to do with love. But and the brain
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Speaker 1: is tied to the whole rest of the body. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and the heart, which the brain suffering from a broken
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Speaker 1: heart in the figurative sense, can injure the heart in
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Speaker 1: the literal sense will find exactly okay. So the whole
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Speaker 1: anament there. I think it's time for a message break.
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Speaker 1: All right, So we are back where were we. There's
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Speaker 1: a woman named Dorothy Lee. In two thousand ten in
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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal did a story on her that
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Speaker 1: her husband of forty years died in a car accident
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Speaker 1: very suddenly, and she started getting chest pains. She thought
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Speaker 1: she's having a heart attack. And it turns out that
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Speaker 1: there is an actual condition. Very rarely does it actually
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Speaker 1: lead to death. Yeah, I think one to three percent
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Speaker 1: of the time. But there is a condition discovered in
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Speaker 1: Japan called broken heart syndrome or uh, you know what
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Speaker 1: you want to go ahead and your virtually half Japanese
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Speaker 1: taco subo cardio myopathy. Taco subo is a It's a
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Speaker 1: type of pot used to catch octopi, which are called
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Speaker 1: taco in um Japan, so fried octopi octopus balls are
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Speaker 1: called taco yaki, which are really delicious, and you will
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Speaker 1: eat them all the time until you get your hands
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Speaker 1: on ones from a vending machine that you shouldn't have
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Speaker 1: eaten because you've had enough taco yaki to last year
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Speaker 1: lifetime on this trip. And why did you have to
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Speaker 1: eat the ones out of the vending machine and now
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Speaker 1: you can't even look at a taco yaki ball again. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: Japan has those crazy vending machines though, with like all
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Speaker 1: kinds of stuff in there, right, including some bed taco
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Speaker 1: yaki okay um boy, that was a bonus pronunciation pronunciation
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Speaker 1: plus taco subo. Cardio myopathy, so that is broken heart syndrome,
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Speaker 1: and that is actually a real thing that they identified
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Speaker 1: among five patients in the nineties early nineties, and they
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Speaker 1: were looking at at a cluster of heart patients four
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Speaker 1: fifteen of them of heart attack victims, and only five
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Speaker 1: of these stood out and that they had no basically
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Speaker 1: no reason to have a heart attack. There were no
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Speaker 1: blocked arteries, there was nothing physical going on. They recovered
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Speaker 1: pretty quickly, way, way more quickly than everybody else. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they've looked around a little closer. They were like, why
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Speaker 1: did these five people even have a heart attack? What
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Speaker 1: what happened, and what they found was possibly that it
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Speaker 1: was brought on by grief or stress. That's right. Their
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Speaker 1: left ventricles, specifically in this condition ballooned and that's why
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Speaker 1: it resembled the the what the taco subo? Yeah, the
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Speaker 1: octopus pot. I can say that it is like you're
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Speaker 1: saying that, um, it exerted pressure on the heart and
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Speaker 1: that you know, basically explained away why people thought they
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Speaker 1: were having a heart attack even though they wasn't. It's
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Speaker 1: not a heart attack at all. It's heart attack like though, well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a fox heart attack and it can kill you
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Speaker 1: like a heart attack, but in a totally different way
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Speaker 1: than like a blocked artery or something like that. Exactly.
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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, and this isn't there there's been evidence,
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Speaker 1: Uh who wrote this was his conger from stuff Mom
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Speaker 1: never told you. She points out that there's long been um,
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Speaker 1: both anecdotal evidence and empirical studies where the quote phenomenon
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Speaker 1: end quote of people just dying within like weeks of
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Speaker 1: their spouse or loved one dying has taken place and
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Speaker 1: it's it holds water. There's this study, um in I
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Speaker 1: believe either Finland or Sweden. I wish I knew man UM.
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Speaker 1: Where they found it was a study I think where
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Speaker 1: they they studied UM, I think a hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: fin in Finland, a hundred and fifty eight thousand Finnish
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Speaker 1: couples were studied and they wanted to find out what
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Speaker 1: the mortality rate was after one couple died. And they
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Speaker 1: found that in the case of UM sudden unexpected death,
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Speaker 1: say like in a car accident or something like that,
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Speaker 1: both spouses of both sexes, widows and widowers UM had
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Speaker 1: a fifty percent chance of dying within the first week
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Speaker 1: after that event. So then they went through and they
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Speaker 1: found that UM, after that, if you're a man, you
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Speaker 1: have a thirty percent chance of dying UM, I think
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Speaker 1: within a year, and if you're a woman, you know
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Speaker 1: within six months, and if you're a woman you have
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Speaker 1: a twenty chance. But they found a direct correlation between
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Speaker 1: the death of a spouse, the sudden death of one
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Speaker 1: spouse to the death of another. Unexpected mortality, which is
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Speaker 1: an unpredictable mortality, like something you wouldn't expect, that's right.
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Speaker 1: They did another study in Scotland and Israel, which I
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Speaker 1: thought was kind of interesting, but I guess they wanted to, well,
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Speaker 1: there are two separate ones, I think with the same design.
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Speaker 1: I thought they just want to get a nice rang
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Speaker 1: right like that, though it darted a map UM. They
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Speaker 1: studied that sense of couples in that one and they
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Speaker 1: found that the risk of death was UH surges between
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Speaker 1: thirty and fifty in the first six months after a
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Speaker 1: loved one passes, not necessarily from unexpected but this period
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Speaker 1: and uh, I guess after that six months it drops
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Speaker 1: down back to a normal range. So just make it
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Speaker 1: through that six months and you might be okay. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So they really looked at this like, okay, the Finns.
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Speaker 1: The Finns, UM, we're trying to figure out what was
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Speaker 1: behind this. And they found that there is a lot
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Speaker 1: of physical explanation. Like the second spouse, the surviving spouse,
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Speaker 1: UM was still it was in pretty bad health right
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Speaker 1: himself or herself. UM. They can chalk it up to
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Speaker 1: economic conditions where they aren't equipped to keep going on. UM.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's chalked out to a lack of a support network,
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Speaker 1: like they relied a lot on the other person and
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Speaker 1: now they don't have anyone and they just die UM
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Speaker 1: as a result. But there's still this one weird idea
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Speaker 1: that just the loss, grief, shock, heartache if you will,
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Speaker 1: can and has, if not killed a surviving spouse at
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Speaker 1: the very least sent him to the hospital with this
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Speaker 1: UM taco subo cardio myopathy. Yeah. Uh yeah, they've they've
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Speaker 1: done UM. Well, everyone knows the brain is gonna react
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Speaker 1: to stress by sending rushes of cataclo mines for the
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Speaker 1: fight or flight reaction. We talked about it dozens of times.
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Speaker 1: That's the one that starts the cascade exactly. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: they've but they've also done brain imaging studies and they
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Speaker 1: have found that UM, the pathways, the neuropathways during a
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Speaker 1: heartache that are stimulated after you've been broken up with
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Speaker 1: have you been dumped is are the same as when
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Speaker 1: you pick up like something hot and burn yourself, So
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Speaker 1: like a physical pain and an emotional pain or lighting
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Speaker 1: up the very same neurological pathways. I looked into the
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Speaker 1: study they had UM some healthy men and women put
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Speaker 1: them in the wonder machine UM and all all of
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Speaker 1: the people in the study have been broken up within
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Speaker 1: the last six months, and so they they applied some
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Speaker 1: sort of heat to their arm that was about the
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Speaker 1: same as holding a hot cup of coffee without like
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Speaker 1: a coffee clutch. Um, so what those are called? And
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Speaker 1: then uh, they then they showed them pictures of there
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Speaker 1: the person who had dumped them, and asked them to
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Speaker 1: go over some of their fonder memories with this person
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Speaker 1: and just basically like poked them where they just regular
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Speaker 1: pictures or like pictures of them making love to someone
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Speaker 1: near who knows what they did. It's a pretty mean
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Speaker 1: study design, but they like needled these people with these
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Speaker 1: these you know, memories of their lost loves. And they
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Speaker 1: found that the same neural pathway lights up, which I'd
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Speaker 1: like to see that study. Ye remember this guy? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then they just started who's he with now? Is
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Speaker 1: like a he's like at a playground, like pushing his
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Speaker 1: new girlfriend and his swing right there on a teeter. Daughter.
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Speaker 1: Um but yeah, so but the fact that the same
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Speaker 1: neural pathways lit up doesn't mean that, you know, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't prove anything necessarily, but it's certainly it says something interesting,
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Speaker 1: you know. Uh So when they back to the cataclomnes
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Speaker 1: um adrenaline and nora adrenaline are released in such a
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Speaker 1: flood that it actually disables the muscles of the heart,
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Speaker 1: the muscular cells, and slows the heart down, um like,
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Speaker 1: physically slows it down to the point where you think
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Speaker 1: you're having a heart attack. Yes, and it doesn't just
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Speaker 1: have to be like heartbreak. I think that was it
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Speaker 1: New York Times that you sent me one lady. They
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Speaker 1: gave her a surprise party and she thought she was
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Speaker 1: having a heart attack. Yes, she ended up in the
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Speaker 1: e er. From this, this concept of um broken heart
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Speaker 1: syndrome tuckasubo cardio myopathy. And I'm not saying it's just
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Speaker 1: to show off here, you're The reason I'm saying is
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Speaker 1: because there is a real um lack of agreement in
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Speaker 1: the medical community whether taco subo cardio myopathy is broken
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Speaker 1: heart syndrome, that it is the result of grief for
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Speaker 1: a broken heart or something like that. And it does
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Speaker 1: make sense. They have found that, yes, adrenaline, a huge
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Speaker 1: flood of adrenaline brought on by stress, whether it is
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Speaker 1: the sudden loss of a loved one or surprise party,
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Speaker 1: a surprise party, being robbed um like at gunpoint, or
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Speaker 1: something like that. Any really stressful event could conceivably trigger
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Speaker 1: this UM. But there they don't know if like a
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Speaker 1: if a broken heart is doing it or if it
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Speaker 1: really actually exists, and and there's still this is it's
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Speaker 1: still very new, and there's a lack of consensus on it,
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Speaker 1: and the media obviously is going to play something like
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Speaker 1: this up because like us, Yeah, when you hear a
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Speaker 1: story about an old couple in one past. In fact,
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Speaker 1: I just read one last week. I just remember this.
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Speaker 1: I think that Emily sent it to me. This couple,
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Speaker 1: it was that old story. One of them passed away
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Speaker 1: and the other one died that was pretty healthy, about
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Speaker 1: a week later. And they were married for just some
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Speaker 1: ridiculous amount of time, like sixty something years. It's not
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Speaker 1: that that's ridiculous bad. Yeah, I've had animals that that's
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Speaker 1: happened to. When I was a kid, I had a
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Speaker 1: kitten that died and uh, the other one refused to
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Speaker 1: eat basically and was just lethargic and died not too
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Speaker 1: long after. I think you told me about that in
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Speaker 1: the Grief one. Yeah, and we didn't. Like now, we're
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Speaker 1: super into taking animals to the vet like at the
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Speaker 1: drop of a hat, But back then, growing up, it
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Speaker 1: was like, I'm not gonna disparage my parents, but it
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Speaker 1: was more country style. Yeah, like you get a cat
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Speaker 1: and you bring him and you throw him in the yard.
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Speaker 1: Treat mains with motor oil was kind of like that.
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Speaker 1: We didn't get a lot of vets. We didn't have
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Speaker 1: a lot of money for vets um, So anyway, it
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Speaker 1: could very well have been something treatable. Looking back, maybe
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Speaker 1: it's pretty sad. You got a heck of a story
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Speaker 1: out of it, right, Yeah, But I think at the
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Speaker 1: very at least it it's sped it up. I think
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Speaker 1: I might have told you about our two dogs, one
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Speaker 1: of them that at heartworms. That's what any other one.
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Speaker 1: Soon after I remember dogs, not cats, But then I
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Speaker 1: just assumed I was confused. It happened twice, and I
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Speaker 1: told you in that Grief episode about the story of
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Speaker 1: the guy who died in the back of the car
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Speaker 1: on the way to his wife's funeral, and like we
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Speaker 1: were saying too, like there there is a demonstrable effect
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Speaker 1: of adrenaline on the heart, and they found there's this
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Speaker 1: John Hopkins study of broken heart syndrome UM, and they
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Speaker 1: found that the the patients in this study had two
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Speaker 1: to three times the level of adrenaline in their system
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Speaker 1: compared to people who are actually having heart attacks like
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Speaker 1: real heart attacks substantial and they had anywhere from seven
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Speaker 1: to thirty four times the normal levels of adrenaline in
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Speaker 1: their system with the balloon left ventricle. So there you
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Speaker 1: have it. Yeah, adrenaline definitely does affect the heart. Whether
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Speaker 1: or not the sudden loss of us spouse can trigger
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Speaker 1: that is what's up for debate. I think it can.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they have to call it only broken
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Speaker 1: heart syndrome. Why can't they call it sometimes broken heart syndrome?
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why not. That's what I think.
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Speaker 1: So there's another part to this story, um, which is
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Speaker 1: our women more susceptible to this than men. Supposedly, it's
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Speaker 1: pretty rare. It affects between one and two um of
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Speaker 1: people who underwent diagnostic testing for their heart I think
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Speaker 1: this is the Johns Hopkins study, is it? But in
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Speaker 1: two thousand seven they found I'm sorry eighty nine of
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Speaker 1: the more than six thousand reported cases were females. Yes,
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Speaker 1: And in two thousand eleven the A M A I'm
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Speaker 1: sorry the a h A American Heart Association said women
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Speaker 1: over the age of fifty five or about three times
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Speaker 1: more likely to develop it. Than younger women. Taco subo
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Speaker 1: cardiomyopathy is what we're talking about to age and gender.
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Speaker 1: This is a recognized, legitimate medical condition. Again, what's up
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Speaker 1: for debate is whether or not I just want to
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Speaker 1: make sure we're not saying like the American Heart Associations
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Speaker 1: saying like, oh, yeah, there's all these cases of broken
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Speaker 1: heart syndrome. Well that's that's what conor. The point she
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Speaker 1: makes is that while you might think, like, oh, women
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Speaker 1: can't handle stress as much, it's not necessarily true. Um. No, No,
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Speaker 1: those numbers are true, and it is like, why do
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Speaker 1: women tend to develop subo cardio myopathy but not necessarily
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Speaker 1: more emotionally because of broken heart? Yeah? Because they found
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Speaker 1: out that widowers are more likely to die at than
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Speaker 1: a widow after their spouse was recently done ten percent
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Speaker 1: more likely. Remember, Yeah, so it turns out on its head. Yes,
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Speaker 1: so it's it could be it could have something to
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Speaker 1: do with um because older women are more likely to
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Speaker 1: develop it than younger women. So it could have to
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Speaker 1: do with the post menopausal levels of hormones. Um, women
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Speaker 1: might handle stress differently than men, or their hearts are
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Speaker 1: more are susceptible to interruption. From adrenaline. Who knows. But
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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that it's because a woman can't take
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Speaker 1: a bereavement, is I think what Congress saying? Very sweet
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Speaker 1: stories though it's like the Titanic, the Titanic couple that
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Speaker 1: laid down together in the movie and just died in
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Speaker 1: the bed together. Wh Yeah, apparently that's true. Was the asters?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but apparently it happened. Um on deck Um,
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Speaker 1: there was a real couple who just like that. They
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Speaker 1: were lasting, like just sitting in the deck chairs together,
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Speaker 1: holding hands like the goots, like the goots. Very sweet stuff.
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Speaker 1: It is very sweet, sweet and sad bittersweet. I think
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Speaker 1: they call that um you knew it complete. If you
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Speaker 1: want to learn more about broken heart syndrome a k a.
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Speaker 1: Taco Subo cardiomyopathy, I defy you to type that word
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Speaker 1: If you can, it will bring up this great article.
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Speaker 1: wanted to share with you guys some information about Australia's
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Speaker 1: national hero, Ned Kelly. Uh yeah, following the Great Davy
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Speaker 1: Crockett podcast. Perhaps the stems from our convict heritage, but
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Speaker 1: our national hero was a notorious criminal. A bush ranger,
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Speaker 1: that's what they called them. A bush rangers in another
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Speaker 1: word for a bandit. You think she said it's a
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Speaker 1: term for a runaway convict. Um, come horse thief, highwayman,
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Speaker 1: that's a bandit exactly. I want to be a highwayman?
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Speaker 1: Do you like Willie Nelson? Yeah? That was a great group.
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Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Johnny Cash, Chris Christofferson, Chris Christofferson
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Speaker 1: and Randy Newman. Right, and now who was the fourth
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Speaker 1: Randy Newson? Come on? That was way funny. No, it's funny.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I was so fixated on who the
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Speaker 1: fourth Highwayman was or was it just Chris Christofferson Johnny Cash.
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Speaker 1: Don't look, I'm not gonna look at that Willie Nelson
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Speaker 1: and uh, I want to say Orberson and jeff Lynn
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Speaker 1: has the forgotten Willbury, Um that he's a genius. Man
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Speaker 1: Yellow is great. It's just now starting to realize how good.
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Speaker 1: I saw a really good documentary on him. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: it's you can't watch it and not go. This guy
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Speaker 1: is a genius. Chris, how did you get Chris Christofferson?
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Speaker 1: If if you remember Chris Christofferson, the fourth one has
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Speaker 1: to be like mine. Whale and Jennings. Oh boom, walk
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Speaker 1: Tosh that's what they call him. Did you know that? No,
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Speaker 1: walk Tosh, Whale and Jenny. His son is awesome, is
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Speaker 1: by the way Shooter? Yeah all right, that was a
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Speaker 1: nice little sidebar. He's married to Uh did you watch
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Speaker 1: the Sopranos? Uh? Yeah, Dre Demanteo the daughter Christopher's Christopher's girlfriend. No,
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Speaker 1: I didn't watch it like that. Yeah, she's married to
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Speaker 1: Shooter Jennings. Okay, where were highwaymen? Ned Kelly? After an
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Speaker 1: incident back in the late eighteen seventies, Ned Kelly killed thirteen,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, three policemen. He barricaded himself in his house
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Speaker 1: and made a suit of armor. In fact, that a
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Speaker 1: cardboard well sort of. In fact, it was so shoddy
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Speaker 1: that it looked more like a trash can turned upside
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Speaker 1: down on his head. In the final standoff at glenn Rowan,
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Speaker 1: which is the town of Victoria, the police shot at
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Speaker 1: him many times, leaving him very bruised inside of his
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Speaker 1: tin can. However, he actually survived the siege, only to
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Speaker 1: be caught and hanged in eighteen eighty, his final documented
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Speaker 1: words being such as life. While I'm sure we Australians
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Speaker 1: have a few other doable, honest heroes, Ned Kelly remains
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Speaker 1: the most identified, identifiable symbol for the underclass rising up
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Speaker 1: against an oppressive British governance. Despite his criminality, perhaps one
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Speaker 1: day you can do in that Kelly show and his
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Speaker 1: tin can arnorom share the riveting, pun intended story with
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Speaker 1: the rest of your listeners with kind disregards, Michelle. And
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Speaker 1: There's been a bunch of movies on Ned Kelly, especially
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Speaker 1: Nate Kelly movie with Heath Ledger and then yeah he
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Speaker 1: was Ned Kelly in Orlando Bloom paid his little sidekick.
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Speaker 1: I think, Oh, but that's pretty good. I didn't see it.
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Speaker 1: There are a couple of top notch actors and Mick
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Speaker 1: Jagger played him in the nineteen Yeah weird. Not a
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Speaker 1: top notch a I can imagine. And apparently there's been
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Speaker 1: like eight or nine other like Australian only movies about him.
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Speaker 1: So he's right up there with the crocodile. Dundee. I
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Speaker 1: think that's the national hero from what I understand, that's
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Speaker 1: a nice yeah, like I knew what he was doing.
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Speaker 1: He understood life. Paul Cogan, Paul Hogan. Yeah, no, crack
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Speaker 1: it out, Undie. Paul Hogan still around right? Remember is
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Speaker 1: the one where he played an angel with Cuba Gooding Jr.
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Speaker 1: Angels in the Outfield? No, that's Gary Coleman Hiway to Heaven. No,
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Speaker 1: that's Michael Landon. I don't know. I don't remember what
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Speaker 1: it was called either, but he played the Australian Angel.
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Speaker 1: He played like a B and E guardian angel, like
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Speaker 1: like just a thief who died and was sent back
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Speaker 1: to be to be a guardian angel for good jor
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Speaker 1: I believe it was him. Interesting, show me the money. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's let's end this show. I'm gonna keep going. People
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Speaker 1: are like, wow, a podcast three hours long on Broken Heart.
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Speaker 1: It all begins with Ned Kelly uh. If you want
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Speaker 1: to tell us about anything, you're like, yeah, how about it?
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Speaker 1: Like a nice sweet story about either pets or people
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Speaker 1: passing together. That's a good one, hand in hand or
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Speaker 1: Paul and Paul. Yeah. Um, if you want to do that,
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