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Emma Boster: Dying Wish · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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Josh. Today we have Emma Foster with us from Dying Wish, and yeah,
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I mean this feels like kind of a dream come true interview for Colin
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and I at least for me for sure, because Dying Wish has been one
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of those bands I've been listening to now for a few years. I mean,
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you guys are fairly new, and it's not like you guys have been
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around for like twenty plus years. But with that said, like there are
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a lot of kind of these newer heavy bands that have been in my world
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of listening over the last few and Dying Wish is certainly one of those.
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I remember watching you guys a couple of years ago now at Furnace Fest,
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which was just an absolute killer show, and it was so much fun just
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watching you run around do your thing. And yeah, it's so much fun
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to just like see Dying Wish just become bigger and bigger every year, and
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it's one of those You guys are one of those bands where I just feel
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like everybody should know about you. So I'm finally glad that we're able to
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do this. So anyway, with all that said, I know you're busy
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on tour, but how are things going besides the fact that it looks like
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you've like a broken wrist or something. Well, yeah, this is kind
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of old. I guess I subvered my tendons and had to get surgery about
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seven weeks ago, so I'm still healing, but I'm just really sore today,
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so I needed a little bit of extra support. I've been kind of
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We do merch ourselves, so I like set up merch every day and do
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all the counts and stuff, and I just think like the past few days,
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I've just kind of strained myself maybe working a little too hard. But
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besides that, yeah, everything's going great. We've today we're actually in Houston.
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It's the last show of our tour, which is like the first leg
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of our headliner that we're doing with Excide Gates to Helen America, and we're
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at White Oak today. It's cool because America is from Houston actually, so
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it'll be a hometown show for them. And then we have to say goodbye
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to them. We drive down to Miami and we do the Headbanger's Boat with
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Lamb of God, War Hate Breed massed on. It's like a crazy lineup,
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so we do that and then sometime next week. We I think it's
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like Saturday or Friday or Saturday. We start our tour in Tampa with Roman
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Candle, Foreign Hands and Boundaries, So then we have like four weeks of
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a full US tour with them, which will be awesome, and then the
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record comes out on November third as well. So a lot a lot going
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on in the Dying wish A right now? Yeah? Can we can?
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We can we talk about how you guys are basically like massochists for for travel
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and just insane touring schedules. I mean, I swear every single time I
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see you guys, or when I when I check your tour schedule, I'm
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just like, how are you making it to these to these gigs? Like
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right, I mean it just looks like it looks like hell yeah, Well
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we sleep in the van. I kind of showed you earlier, so like
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we don't. We're not really a hotel van. We'll do it for like
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off days or something, but we just leave the venue every night after the
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show's over and drive to a Planet Fitness in the next city and then just
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sleep in the van. So do you guys work out too? Is that?
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Is that? Like the reasons of the deal. You choose Planet Fitness
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or some of us do. Yeah, and it's just shower, you know,
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like a free shower, like I guess I've never thought about that.
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Yeah, Planet Fitness, like if you've got to super cheap membership, so
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yeah, you pretty much can go across the nation and get a free shower.
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Yeah, and they're everywhere and it's only ten dollars a month, so
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so cheap. I got out plan a Fitness. I don't know, give
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me like a year free because I talk about them so much. But yeah,
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so we but you know, last year we did five full US tours.
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We did one tour in Europe also on top of that, and we
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did two pre production sessions and studio with Randy to prepare for the upcoming record.
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So last year was really busy. This year we just wrote the record,
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we did Europe with Counterparts, and then we've just spent all summer just
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kind of preparing for you know, our headliner and stuff. We wanted to
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not like tour too much so that people, you know, we didn't might
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want to burn out our fans, I guess on having to come see us
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multiple times this year so that they could come see our headliners, so we
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took it easier. But next year for this album cycle, I'm sure we're
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going to hit it pretty hard. It's almost like you guys, it's almost
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like because you guys kind of art and kind of started getting like your your
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your big stuff, your big wings. I guess we could say during during
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COVID. So maybe you're just like making up for lost time? Is that?
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Is that the thought process here? Kind of? I mean, we
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had never done anything except for like a week at a time before COVID happened,
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and then we got signed and wrote a record and then you know kind
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of just got to wait until the perfect timing to put it out. So
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it does kind of feel like, you know, we are making up for
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a little bit of lost time. But we really just hit the ground running
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after the pandemic like allowed us to kind of start touring again and we've I
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mean it's a completely different situation as to like we were like a DIY local
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band before that, you know, playing Portland shows and whatnot. So yeah,
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it's it's pretty different for sure. Well, let's kind of talk about
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some of those early years for you all and I I, I don't know,
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the like the rest of the band to know if like everybody's original at
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this point still or if there's been some band member changes or not. But
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can you talk about some of those early years, like what even got you
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wanting to start playing metal music? Screaming, singing? What got you to
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this point where you eventually even started Dying Wish? So even before dying Wish,
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Like what got you wanting to do this kind of music and kind of
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gave you that catalyst for or you know, started that fire for you to
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be like I want to do this? Yeah for sure. Well I don't
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really know, like it kind of happened like really organically and like naturally my
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mom. My mom is forty nine, so she's very young. She grew
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up in like the Northwest like grunge alt rock scene, and then had me
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when she was like still a teenager basically, so I grew up listening to
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like Nirvana and No Doubt and later found out she like likes Fugazi and like
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Dead Kennedy's You had You had the cool mom is what you have? Yeah
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for sure, Gretchen, Yeah, my mom grew up I I grew up
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with CCM with my mom, So your mom is way better or way cooler
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than my mom. I'm sure your mom rocks too, but my mom,
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yeah, she's she has been pretty hip nice. I had like that foundation
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of like rock music, and then as I like got into middle school,
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MySpace became a thing. And I lived in a really small town in southern
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Oregon at the time, so I didn't really like have access to subculture outside
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of you know, uh, like a online platform where I talked to strangers,
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which is like kind of weird for fourteen year olds to be doing,
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but you know, we all did it then, and that's how I discovered
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like to bring me the horizons a data remember. And then I also had
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like a friend at school who was like a skater. He burned me a
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mixed CD with all a bunch of like different Metallica and like Black Sabbath and
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like Children of Boat them like super random stuff, and so kind of happened
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like that. And then I moved to Portland, which is about five hours
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north of where I'm from, when I was fourteen, and then I met
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Pedro and Jeff who actually are in Dying Wish original members, and we just
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started going to show together like all throughout like our youth until you know,
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we were in our mid twenties and then just decided one day, like let's
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start a band. So kind of kind of a you know, crazy little
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story, but it was just like once I went to my first like show,
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it was all over from there. What was it about the show itself
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where you were like, that is that's what I want to do? Like
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that, that's got to be such a cool experience for somebody to like watch
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somebody you know, like to watch specifically like heavy music, hardcore metal,
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all that kind of stuff, and just to see that show for the first
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time and be like, oh my god, like that that is what feels
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like I'm what I'm supposed to do in the world. There must have been
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something like that for that first show, right. I don't really know if
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it was ever like that's what I'm supposed to do, because, like to
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be fair, I didn't really see a lot of people that looked like me
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doing it, so I didn't really think it was possible. You know,
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it was a lot of men, and you know, women had our place
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at the time in the scene. I mean, granted this was like fifteen
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years ago now, but I guess it was just like I moved a lot
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as a kid, moved schools and stuff, and like, I was never
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like popular, you know, I was kind of always a weird kid.
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And once I found a subculture where I felt like I fit in and I
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belonged somewhere like that, that was the moment where I was like, okay,
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like finally, like this is this is for me? What was that
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point where you did feel like, oh, like I want to do this,
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and like I want to do this at least to a certain extent,
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having no idea whether or not you'd be able to make a living, I'm
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sure, but like there had to have been some commitment at some point where
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you're like, I'm just gonna go like fall in, I want to record
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music, I want a tour, I want to play shows, like I
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want to do the whole thing. At some point you must have made that
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decision. Was there any what's the context around whenever that decision was made for
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yourself? Well, so I always wanted to be involved, Like that's really
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where it started. I just wanted to, like, you know, I'd
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always gone to shows, but I wanted to be more involved in the community,
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and so I started booking shows almost ten years ago now and oh that's
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crazy. It was probably twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, but there was kind
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of a lull in the hardcore scene at the time, and so I was
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like, well, like, I'll I'll just start booking shows. And then
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you know, there was like a group of women that were there was like
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a feminist movement happening in my scene at the time, and so I was
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like, yeah, I can do this, and so I started booking shows,
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and then I realized that there weren't a lot of local bands to put
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on shows. So I was like, well, we should start a band,
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because then I'll have more bands to book on the show. Yeah.
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Right, and so and then you know, it was like, oh,
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well, you know, I want to play with Vaine when they come through
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and see Space Cowboy and like all of these bands that I liked. So
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I started a band with my friends, and then we started playing shows and
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like making all these connections with cool bands that within the scene that we really
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liked and made friends and then we just like started making better music and then
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it just kind of all like naturally happened. And then I think the moment
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where I realized like, oh, like this is a real thing, because
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I was already working in the industry as a production manager and a talent buyer
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for a like club venue in Portland. So I was already in the industry,
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and I knew that I wanted to do something in the industry, but
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I just didn't know exactly what. And then like once we met Tom or
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manager, he was like, oh, I could get you guys signed,
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Like do you want to be a full time band? And I was like,
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I mean, yeah, like that seems like, you know, the
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coolest avenue I've always wanted to like perform. So I'd say that was like
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pretty late twenty nineteens when I kind of came to that realization, Wow,
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you know, this is something that I'm not super aware of. You said
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there was a little bit of like a feminist movement going on around the time
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that you started to gain interest in this. Can you kind of talk us
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through that a little bit? I'm curious. We're both Mason and I are
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from South Dakota, so we are as far away from anything that's cool and
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hip and happening. So yeah, if you if you would kind of like,
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yeah, like what did that look like for you? Well, I'd
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been going to shows, Like I went to my first hardcore show in like
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two thousand, twenty ten, twenty eleven, and at the time, it
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was a lot of dudes. There was like a lot of masculine energy,
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not a lot of women. All of the women were made to feel like
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we were in competition with one another for the most part, and so it
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was just kind of a toxic environment for women. And I just kind of
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persevered because I loved the music so much. But around twenty fifteen, there
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was like a series of people in the scene that were coming out about like
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with allegations I guess you would say about other people within the scene. Sure,
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and so like we all, like all of the women kind of like
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united with each other and we were like, we are not going to like
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continue to tolerate this if we want to be a part of heavy music.
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And so we actually started this movement called notar rape Culture, and it was
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like kind of like an activism group, but like anyone was welcome to join.
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We like held meetings that anyone could come to, and like we did
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workshops at shows, and we like would give away zines at shows and teach
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people about consent and you know, just try to like educate people about consent
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in order to try to avoid like more like sexual assault things happening within the
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scene. It was kind of short lived, but that happened around like the
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air in which you know, I started booking shows and so ever since then,
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I feel like we've seen such a culture shift just generally and heavy music
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about you know, with like more women playing in bands, and you know,
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more women being employed by bands and you know, just working in venues,
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and I just feel like we've seen a pretty big culture shift. It
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kind of just all happened at the same time. Not saying that we were
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responsible for that, but we were definitely inspired by other things being seen going
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on at the time. Well, I'm sure that you played some sort of
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a some sort of a role there, because that's one of the biggest reasons
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that I kind of turned away from metalcore and hardcore for a long time,
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especially around your twenty twelve It just seemed like it just seemed like it kept
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getting more and more ridiculous and like sexualized in terms of like as you're saying,
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like non consent type stuff, and also just like violence towards women was
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like it was pervasive in the lyrics and everything. I was just like,
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this is gross. I don't like this. I'm not only am I not
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going to choose to not only am I going to choose not to listen to
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those bands, but I'm gonna pretty much just take a step away until this
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feels healthier because it was not healthy for a long time there. So good
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on you, Good on you for uh for standing up for a scene that
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that needs some femininity. Well yeah, thank you. I mean I wouldn't
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have. I definitely wouldn't have. I wouldn't have been able to do it
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by myself, that's for sure. So yeah, I'm always like thankful for
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the other women and like, you know, also like the career people in
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the scene who have also been marginalized in this community. And you know,
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I just think that all around, we're starting to see a lot more diversity
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in heavy music generally, and it's only going to get better. So it's
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exciting. Good. Yeah, it does feel like there is a kind of
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this like cultural change. And you know, I would say, like punk
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and a lot of these alternative scenes, there always has been like some sort
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of like owner culture like culture to that world. But there are obviously there
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are many many cases where eventually gets overrun by a lot of patriarchy going on,
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a lot of homophobia, transphobia, all the things that happen obviously in
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the world, and eventually gets overrun by a lot of that. But like
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a lot of this great music at the end of the day, to me,
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like it started with it started with people of color, it started with
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women, it started with queer people, and and that, like to me,
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is such an important part of our history. And so to bring that
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back to revitalize that, I think is so so crucial, not only for
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obviously what is important, but also to like honor like the people, the
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you know, the punk and hardcore and metal people that came well before us.
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And so I think it's just a really important part of the movement for
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for many reasons, including you know, just honoring honoring those who came before
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us. Let's talk about kind of those kind of middle years. Obviously,
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you released like a few albums at this point, or a couple albums at
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this point with Dying Wish. What at what point did you realize like not
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only like did you want to kind of do this, like kind of get
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committed, but like at one point there must have been a certain point where
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you're like, wait, like I actually can kind of like pay some of
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the bills doing this, Like this is actually putting food on the table.
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This is head. Maybe maybe you weren't quite there yet. I don't know
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who knows, but like it does seem as if like you guys are growing
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to a certain level where it, you know, it's it's much more sustainable
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than probably was when you first started, I would imagine, but uh yeah,
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I would imagine at some point there has been some level of like,
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this isn't just like a hobby, This isn't just like a side thing like
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this, does this feels like a main thing that you're doing. At what
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point did you feel like you kind of got to that point where you didn't
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have to keep telling people like, yeah, this is just like the thing
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I'm doing right now or whatever, like where people are just sort of expect
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like, Emma, this is what you do. Yeah, well this is
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my job. It's not very like you know, we we don't lose money,
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that's for sure. That is important anyway. But I would say probably
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last year, last year, before we left for the Double Wars Prada,
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we went on the Zombie tour. I quit my job that I worked at
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because I was, you know, touring so much. I was working at
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a venue and ironically they were like, we don't really want to work with
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your schedule, which is interesting because it's a music venue. But so I
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hadn't worked there since twenty twenty one, and I got a job working at
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a restaurant and being in a restaurant like twenty five thirty hours a week just
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to kind of like make some money on the side. And I quit in
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like July of last year. And I mean I've gone back like for like
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a week or two here and there a couple of times. But besides that,
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I was like, wow, like, you know, music is my
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job now. That's crazy, And it still kind of feels that way,
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you know, But I just like, I worked so we all work so
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much for this that it's like I don't have time and energy to invest into
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anything else at the moment. Like my book shows still occasionally, but besides
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that, it's like, Nope, this is it, you know, And
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so it gives you a different kind of ownership over the music, and you
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know, you definitely invest differently once you know it's your full time thing.
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Yeah, do you feel like that's that's that's paid off in terms of like
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your like the edification of it, I guess or I don't know how.
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That's probably not like a great way to put it. But do you feel
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like do you feel like you're like more creative now and like because it is
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the thing that you're doing solely that yeah, you that you can put all
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your energy into it. Yeah, definitely. I'm I'm just like I'm constant
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only thinking about the future of this band. I mean I always was,
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but like you know, now more so. There there were times when I
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started this band, I was, you know, working at three different jobs
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and still being in the band and booking shows on top of that. So
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like I couldn't I couldn't do that, and like like the creative person that
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I am, you know, like I need like the freedom and the time
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off to like put myself in that headspace outside of you know, working on
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tour. Yeah, for sure. Wow, I was go. Yeah,
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I was about to ask like a very similar question where you know, I've
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like I've thought about, like you know, I do all these other kind
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of things in the world besides like my main gig, and I've wondered,
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like how my relationship would change to all these like different projects that I work
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on if those became like the way that I made money. And I've always
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wondered that for artists as well, where where they get to that point where
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that is the way that they you know, pay the bills, that's the
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way that they put food on the table, and how that changes their relationship
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to their art. Yeah, I would imagine it's probably a similar question to
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what Colin asked, But yeah, like if I don't know if you have
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any like additional thoughts around that of like if there has been a relationship change
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to your art based on the fact that now you're full time. I just
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say that I'm more confident and it just generally, but I'm sure that has
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something to do with it. Yeah, I would say that this that this
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new EP and subsequent record that we haven't heard yet, it shows that like
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this is this is a huge step up. I mean, the last records
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are great. This the new songs are fucking breathtaking though, like I especially
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my Promise Will Die Uh that that song is like my I can't stop listening
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to it. I've played it probably twenty times a day. For the last
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three weeks. It's incredible. Yeah, I love that's like, what five
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cents that you just gave them culling. Yeah, congrats, but yeah,
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thank you. Yeah, that's actually how I pay my bills. Yeah,
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just kidding. Its T shirts. But yeah, So how's this new record,
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ben? I mean, it's coming out November third, right, yeah,
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Friday, so I mean it's Saturday, so yeah, November third.
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I'm sure this will air later. But yeah. So we've been playing Lost
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in the Falls for and from Your Silhouette, watched My Promise Die, and
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Pats Your Grave all four singles on this headliner that we're doing right now.
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But when the record comes out, we're gonna play honestly, like probably seven
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or eight songs off of the record. I think it's seven or eight.
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So yeah, there's there's a song that is actually like a ballad on the
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record, so that'll be like kind of you know, a moment in our
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set. We're not playing it right now, but you know where it kind
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of like, you know, bring it down a notch, like hey,
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everybody, take your phone lights out like shit that we've never done before.
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So yeah, it's exciting to be able to try new stuff and like keep
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branching out and like keep expanding on what we do already. Does that mean
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is that song gonna be fully sung instead of screamed? Uh? There's about
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two lines that are screamed in the entire song. Nice, Okay, I
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love I love that that juxtaposition of like really beautiful singing along with the intensity
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of a scream. I mean, it's just it. It'll never get old
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to me, you know. Yeah, yeah, same, I love it
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too. It's really fun. We've been playing Lost in the Fall. That's
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my favorite song to play, you know, because the end, like the
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hook has like you know, the piano and then like the really like kind
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of quiet it's like more of like a falsetto singing, and then right into
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like the big chorus after like a really you know, it's like heavy breakdown,
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like the most light thing you could possibly imagine in the set, and
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then like a big, boomy chorus. It's it's it's a fun dynamic to
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play. Yeah, I can imagine. You guys obviously are you know for
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the for the new stuff, like there are obviously some songs are a little
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bit different for you all, but for the most part, like this is
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stuff like you would expect from Dying Wish, where like there's these really brutal
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breakdowns, your your screamings, you're screaming is just as good as ever.
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Your vocals are great, and you're you should expect that from Dying Wish.
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But is there anything besides a ballad that you would say fans like, hey,
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like, you haven't heard this from us before? Like, is there
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anything kind of new or like some sort of different sounds or anything like that
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that are just feel or maybe songwriting even just the way the songs are structured,
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Is there anything new that fans would be like a little bit like whoa,
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you haven't heard that before? Yeah. The opening track, which is
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the title track Symptoms of Survival, that song it has it starts like with
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like a really cool like drum intro and then like this it has like I
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don't know how to explain it. There's parts of it that sound kind of
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doomy, which is something that we've never done before. And there's like a
25:25
really long instrumental break towards the end of the song that has like a bunch
25:30
of like clip like talking clips over it from like Theodore Roosevelt, and like
25:37
the song the song's written about like the sacrifice of war, and which you
25:41
know, is it? We I wrote the song in March, and didn't
25:47
you know think that it would be as pertinent coming out right now? Yeah,
25:52
so that's interesting. But unfortunately the most pertinent thing in the world today
25:57
forever and yeah, always has been, always will be is probably war.
26:02
So yeah, very well put though. Yeah, So, I mean it's
26:07
just like it just talks about, you know, things that we haven't really
26:11
talked about, more of like I wrote in a less like anecdotal personal like
26:18
lens and more just like objectively about war, which was definitely kind of me
26:23
stepping out of my shoes and trying to stretch my like creative writing abilities.
26:30
So I think that and the Ballad are going to be like the two big
26:33
moments on the record that people are going to be like, well, hell
26:37
yeah, I'm all for that. You guys like have never you sort of
26:41
like balance between this talking about things politically in your lyrics but also being able
26:49
to talk about things that are just like happening in your lives and just the
26:52
kind of the overall human experience. And there's this balance that goes on with
26:56
that. Can you talk a little bit about me and maybe at some point,
27:00
like it doesn't feel like you're trying to balance between like it's like two
27:03
different things that you're trying to balance between. But I'm curious around that of
27:08
and I've heard this from other bands around, like, you know, there's
27:11
a political aspect that I want to talk about, but there's also this other
27:15
thing that they want to talk about, and at some point it does feel
27:19
like they're trying to sort of juxtapose those and they have to balance between them.
27:23
But also it does feel like Dyne Wish doesn't have to do that so
27:26
much. But anyway, I'm curious around like how you navigate that relationship.
27:32
I guess is probably a better way to put it, like how you navigate
27:33
that relationship between the things that you want to talk about politically but also the
27:38
things that sort of feel like a general human experience beyond the politics. I
27:45
guess it is just general balance. But I wouldn't say that I stress so
27:48
much, like, you know, because something that this record in Fragments have
27:53
in common is you know, talking about personal trauma and then talking about you
27:57
know, the coctive trauma that our society deals with. And I might run
28:03
out of things to say, but I highly doubt it. That's like one
28:07
of my main like things that I worry about is like, am I ever
28:10
going to run out of things to talk about? So I try to just
28:12
like balance it and generalize it a little bit so that you know, it's
28:17
it's relatable. But so I also don't like burn out a certain topic,
28:19
you know, and say everything I need to say about it. And so
28:23
I guess it would be that I don't really put a lot of thought into
28:27
like about the balance. It just kind of like I feel like it's more
28:32
about the flow of everything. But yeah, I don't know. I think
28:37
anyone who knows me or like pays attention to anything I have to say and
28:41
knows how I feel about a lot of things. So I want to like
28:45
be able to put some of that personal opinion into the music, but also
28:48
like make it a little bit more palatable so that it can reach a wider
28:52
audience and maybe you know, spark some thought there. Sure sure, uh
28:59
something I'm curious, son is is there there There has to be some very
29:03
differing influence within Dying Wish in terms of musicality, because there are times where
29:10
I feel like I'm listening to like a Metallica record, and then the very
29:14
next moment it's like a throwdown song. And then the very next moment it's
29:18
like the heaviest breakdown I've ever heard, and then followed by some very beautiful
29:22
singing. It's it just it's all over the board. And that's why I
29:26
love Dying Wish, because I never really know what I'm gonna expect next,
29:30
but then once I hear it, I'm like, oh, now I'm always
29:33
going to expect that. So is there a lot of different influence in the
29:37
band or is everyone kind of listening to the same stuff. Oh? Definitely,
29:42
Sam, who you know writes all of the guitars and stuff. He
29:48
you know, his favorite band is At the Gates, but also Cannibal Corpse
29:52
and King Diamond and stuff like that. He's definitely like more of like a
29:56
black metal guy. Jeff Our drummer loves deep metal, Dying Fetus. We
30:00
played a show with them last night. That's like his favorite band. Pedro.
30:06
You know, he listens to like a lot of like old school like
30:10
Trustkill era hardcore metal core stuff, but then he also like loves girl pop
30:15
and then Mackie you know Maci Magi's a hardcore guy. He's from Long Island,
30:22
you know. He he kind of likes he likes a lot of different
30:25
music. And then myself personally, like I love country, I love pop,
30:29
I love R and B, I love hardcore, I love punk music
30:32
like I love metals. So it's just kind of all over the place,
30:36
like you know, songwriting wise, like you wouldn't think this, but like
30:41
I take a lot of inspiration from like pop music, for like my melodies
30:44
and like my like structure and my choruses and stuff like that, Like Scissa
30:48
is one of my biggest inspirations. I'm actually right is shirt right now?
30:52
Oh yeah? Like and like but also like Howard Jones obviously like is another
30:56
one. So it's just kind of like a melting pot of a bunch of
31:02
stuff, which is probably why we are so dynamic. Seeh I love that
31:06
because a lot of bands will be like, yeah, we are all listening
31:07
to something different, we're all influenced by something different, but then you never
31:11
hear it in the actual song, and they all just a lot of the
31:14
ship just sounds the exact same. It's not the it's not that way for
31:18
dying Wish. It's it's it's fresh all the time. I love that about
31:22
you guys. It's great, thank you, that's awesome. Along those lines,
31:27
with all the dying WISH members, who has the worst taste in music
31:32
probably me, no hesitation. Whenever I get behind the wheel, everyone's like,
31:40
oh great, what's am I gonna play today? You know, like,
31:42
oh yeah, let's listen to Olivia Rodrigo for the tenth time, you
31:47
know, so sure? You know that is kind of interesting because some of
31:52
the best heavy music artists that Mason and I love, they almost never listen
31:57
to heavy music, especially especially while they're traveling. The ones that Mason and
32:04
I are not a huge fan of, that's all they're listening to. It's
32:06
kind of weird. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I I especially
32:12
like, there's one thing that I hate so much, and it's let's go
32:15
to a metal show and the house music is metal. Yeah, in between
32:20
the bands playing like No, give me some Battery Boys, Shawn Mayor,
32:23
Yeah, you know, like let's let's mix it up, let's put on
32:28
some pop music. Hell yeah, I'm done for I mean, we just
32:30
saw Calstauboys Colin and I did just saw Calstowboys at Furnace Fest and they came
32:36
out and maybe they're doing this on their whole tour, but they came out
32:37
to the every Time I Touch song or whatever, and I'm like, that's
32:42
exactly like probably what they listened to in the van for sure. HU like
32:45
absolutely, yeah, And I love that about them. Yeah, definitely.
32:49
On our way, on our way to the venue today, we were listening
32:52
to neo Sean Kingston justin Timberlake, you know, just like early two thousands
32:58
bangers. I did put that on. So maybe I don't have the worst
33:00
taste of music, but you don't. You're good. I mean, I
33:04
will I will say about Sean Kingston. This is just a funny little antidote.
33:07
But Colin and I's youth pastor. Colin and I grew up like in
33:10
the you know church, you know, youth group world. There's a reason
33:15
why we loved devil Wars Praduct, but so we grew up in that world.
33:21
But our youth pastor, like it was back in the day, like
33:24
when even before like iPhones and everything. But our youth pastor his ringtone just
33:30
for his wife, nobody else, just for his wife was Sean Kingston's Beautiful
33:34
Girls, and I'm like, how do you even know this song? Like
33:37
you're for sure only listening to like audio adrenaline and newsboys, Like, how
33:42
do you even know Sean Kingston? But he that was like every time his
33:45
wife would call him on his phone, that's what he had playing. So
33:50
every time I hear that song, I don't think about the fact that Sean
33:52
Kingston was suicidal about just really hot women. It's the fact that my youth
33:57
pastor that was his wife's ringtone. That's awesome, that's awesome, that's great.
34:04
I love that, mame. That's like it's Sean Kingston and he's doing
34:07
this and it's like, oh no, a beautiful girl. I must kill
34:08
myself. Seriously, I mean, who amongst us have not been there?
34:15
Though? I mean I get it, I get it. Sean Kingston.
34:20
Yeah, uh, you're you're you're vegan, correct I am? And bisexual.
34:25
That's a double whammy. Wow, you are Portland as fuck. True,
34:30
it is kind of it is kind of impressive. We made it thirty
34:32
minutes in and I had to ask you. So that's that's that's a good
34:38
You must you must not. Are you a crossfitter? Too. No,
34:43
god, no, I do have several pairs of tivas though, so oh
34:49
yeah, that might have been. That would have if you just like would
34:52
have shown us your tivas, we would have known right away. You wouldn't
34:54
have to told us. Yeah, I actually don't live in Oregon anymore,
34:59
like to Nashville, Tennessee. Now, So okay, Yeah, you know,
35:01
I have a nice little granola yeeha vibe going on. But I love
35:06
it. I love it. Yeah you can. You can probably really uh
35:10
party crash a lot of bachelorette parties over you know, Nashville. I absolutely
35:15
could. Yeah, it's it's a fun time. I personally, I feel
35:20
like a lot of the locals hate it. Maybe it's because I've only lived
35:22
there for about six months, but like it's so fun just to like see
35:25
all the girls out like feeling so good about themselves, like all matching,
35:30
wearing pink and just like you know, terrorizing the town. It's just it's
35:37
awesome. It's such a girly vibe. Yeah. I also feel like Nashville
35:40
is starting to become like the the Portland of the East. Though at the
35:46
same time, you know, yeah, it's definitely getting a little more progressive.
35:52
It's still pretty rough. You know. There's there's so many Pacific Northwest
35:55
transplants, is what I'm saying. Like true, Almost everyone that we've talked
36:00
to, Yeah, and La, and that's true. Almost everyone we talked
36:04
to is like, yeah, I live in Nashville, and now it's like
36:06
it's like the reverse, just moving the back, moving the other direction.
36:09
Now. You know what's funny is one of my best friends, Haley Douglas
36:14
shout out love her to death. She's from Tennessee and moved to Portland,
36:17
and her and I, you know, we were hanging out together for about
36:21
two years until I moved to Nashville. And I was like, all right,
36:22
your turn, and she's like, I'm never going back. So people
36:27
do go the other way. Yeah. Yeah, Here's why I we'll say
36:30
about Portland though, Portland fucking loves you all because I was in Portland back
36:37
in like late February sometime this year and like six months ago, and it
36:42
was back you know, sort of like late February early March where it's like
36:45
really drizzly. I guess it just always is like that. But but one
36:47
of the things I didn't know about Portland was the first time I ever visited
36:51
Portland. But there are just so many different posters and everything on. Every
36:55
single thing that could be, you know, you could put a poster on.
37:00
It doesn't matter if it's like a street street post or some sort of
37:04
like lights or whatever. I mean, just anything that you can put a
37:07
poster on. But there was one time I walked by and there was just
37:12
like this poster and sure enough there was a Dying Wish poster for a show
37:15
that you guys were playing in Portland, and I was like, That's exactly
37:20
what I'm expecting from Portland, is all? Y'all Portland Portlanders are actually really
37:27
promoting Dying Wish out here. That's what I love to see. If it
37:30
was if it was a headliner one, I put it there myself most likely,
37:37
If not, I did my goodness. Yeah, do you remember the
37:40
days when the bands had street teams in like every town and all that stuff?
37:45
Is that still? Is that still a thing to like a certain extent
37:50
promoters have them. I don't think that bands really do that anymore. What
37:54
are we going to do to bring that back? We got to bring that
37:57
back, Yeah, bring it back. And while you're at it, bring
38:00
warp tour back to because oh yeah, I feel like the two kind of
38:04
go hand in hand. Street teams and a warped tour. Yeah, definitely,
38:07
definitely. There was a I can't remember which band it was, but
38:08
they had a street team that they created on their own, and it was
38:14
really cool. They made it look like like Soviet propaganda. It's like when
38:19
you like signed up to be on the street team, like you would get
38:22
like all the promotional material, but like everything looked like like communist propaganda.
38:27
It was really really creative, really really smart. But I think that we
38:30
should bring that back. Yeah, band band run street teams, that'd be
38:35
cool. I think maybe maybe we do it. Yeah yeah, uh no.
38:38
Actually the reason I was asking if you're vegan is is anyone else in
38:42
the band vegan? No? No, so oh interest When you guys are
38:45
touring, is it really hard to find a place to eat for you?
38:51
Nah, I'm pretty used to it. Like I fend for myself and like
38:53
normally there's places that we go, Like today we went to this amazing place
38:59
in Houston call Taco Tacosna or something like that. I think that's what it's
39:05
called. And they have like an insane menu. But then they also have
39:10
like soy pasta or tacos, and that was like, that's like our spot
39:15
when we go to Houston. And then there's like a cheese steak place when
39:20
we go to Philly that vegan vegan cheese steaks. Yes, that feels like
39:24
something that would be really difficult because it's you know, it's cheese and it's
39:29
steak, like that's that's the name of it. So it feels like,
39:30
how do you really get that to be vegan? There's so many like vegan
39:36
options for cheese. And then like Satan is like, oh, it's like
39:39
a like a double gluten protein. Yeah, it's like a gluten protein that
39:46
you can like make into like a dough that you cut like you cook it
39:52
and then you like cut it into slices like like steak. So yeah,
39:57
I don't know, it's pretty easy. I feel like every I have,
40:01
you know, like a place that I go to and if we're not eating
40:06
together, like a lot of times, they'll like go off and do their
40:08
own thing, and I'm like, all right, I have fun, but
40:10
like I live on door dowsh and Uber Eats, So as long as I
40:15
like have that you know, there's always like a place that I look forward
40:19
to in every city as far as like when I'm gonna eat goes. So
40:22
hell, yeah, it's not that hard. And if it was ten years
40:27
ago, you might be saying something different, right, Yeah, Well I
40:30
was vegan. I mean, I've been vegan for about eight years, but
40:32
I stopped eating meat in high school. So I've seen I've seen veganism go
40:37
through a lot of changes, and it's so much easier now, although I
40:42
feel like a lot of people are kind of abandoning the idea of veganism,
40:45
and I don't think that gen Z gives a fuck about it at all part
40:49
of my French, which is a little disheartening, but also I feel like
40:54
they are what's the word I'm looking for. It starts with an end where
40:59
they like they just they feel like that nothing they do matters and they're just
41:02
kind of like helpless. I whish I don't. I don't blame nihilists or
41:07
what's it called nihilism or epithet nihilistic? Yeah that so wow? Yeah,
41:15
Yeah, I think you're right. Why do you think that they're so that
41:16
that way? Because I teach high schoolers, so I have a lot of
41:20
gen z Yers in right now, and uh yeah, that is kind of
41:23
the case even in uh, you know, hard working, blue collar South
41:27
Dakota here, you know, m hmm. Yeah. I just think I
41:30
don't know. I think gen Z thinks they're that we probably screwed them a
41:36
lot. And I know that millennials we definitely feel that way about our like
41:38
previous generations, and so I can imagine that, you know, they're looking
41:43
at the situation that we're giving them with you know, the health of the
41:45
planet and just like society in general, and they're just probably like, well,
41:51
you know, here's here's what I'm dealing with. I guess. So,
41:53
I don't know, I just feel like they're they're probably just like a
41:57
little used to you know, their post there. They were born in a
42:00
post nine to eleven era, you know, things things are definitely different.
42:05
Yeah, and a post Malone era. True, he's depressed. I don't
42:10
know, have you heard his Have you heard his most recent uh A cover
42:15
of them Bones? You're you're a Pacific Northwesterner and you can you know Alice
42:20
in Chains, right, I do. I haven't really listened to his new
42:23
record that much, but the one that came out before that with the Butterfly.
42:28
Yeah. Oh I loved that album, but I need to revisit his
42:30
new, newer stuff. Yeah, revisit his new stuff. It's great.
42:34
And then he just did uh, he just did them Bones by Alison Chains
42:37
and it's the greatest cover of an Alison Chains song I've ever heard. Everyone
42:42
mess it up. He did it well. Yeah, I've got to hear
42:45
that. That's awesome. Yeah, I've got I've got one more vegan question
42:47
for you, Emma. I live in Minneapolis and there is a very famous
42:52
vegan place here called the Vegan Butcher Shop. Are you familiar with vegan or
42:58
the Vegan Butcher Maybe? Uh? They they were actually featured on like diner
43:00
drive ins and dives like the Guy Fierti Show. Anyway, next time you
43:07
guys are in Minneapolis, I would imagine, you know, being vegan,
43:10
like you're expecting to pay like fifteen dollars for an item. But it's one
43:15
of those kind of places. It's really really good food. Highly recommend it.
43:19
Okay, awesome, Yeah, we're actually going to be in Minneapolis next
43:22
month. What really? Wow, Mason and I will we'll make the track
43:25
over. We'll come yeah, we should play Vegan Butcher The Amsterdam, The
43:30
Amsterdam. Yeah, I forgot what day it is. I don't even know,
43:36
but yeah, sometime next month. I think it's like the middle of
43:37
the month. So great. Hopefully it's on a weekend. If it's on
43:42
a weekend, we'll be there. For sure. We should I look real
43:44
quick, Well we can. I'm sure we can look. Yeah, weekend
43:46
too. Speaking of Guy Fieri or Fietti, as Mason says, I don't
43:51
know how you're supposed to say it. Necessarily you've had a lot of hairstyles.
43:55
Yeah, what's what say you about potentially doing a Guy Fiertti hairstyle?
44:02
Oh? Man, well, my hair short right now. But I just
44:07
have a mullet, so hell yeah, it's it's not but I don't know,
44:14
frosted tips. Maybe one day I'll put all my hair off. We'll
44:16
see, and then get yourself like a flame a flaming bowling shirt and you're
44:23
like you're good to go. Wow, I actually don't have a Halloween costume.
44:28
Maybe I should do that. Hell, yeah, you guys play on
44:32
Halloween. Yeah, we play the head Bangers Boats. Oh yeah, yeah,
44:37
exactly, Okay, perfect, Well that should be totally your your your
44:43
Halloween costume. I was actually going to dress up as Jeremy and I was
44:45
going to have him dressed up as me. But I don't know if we're
44:47
going to do that. Yeah, cross dressing is always the way to go.
44:52
In my opinion, I think it'd be cute. Yeah, yeah it
44:55
would. I mean it would be fun. But also I think guy Fierti
44:59
would be a great little uh alternative at least so true. Yeah, how
45:04
do you make that a couple's costume? He's like a convertible or something.
45:07
Yeah, totally nice or just or just like a big vegan cheeseburger. Yeah,
45:13
exactly. What is it? Why don't bands that play on Halloween really
45:19
get into it more? I can only think of like one or two bands
45:22
that have really done like a cool a cool costume show or something like that.
45:25
You know, I don't know. Every day last year we all dressed
45:31
up, but we dressed up as like we didn't do like a like a
45:36
like a costume like matching thing. We're always on tour, so it's like
45:39
kind of hard because you lose track of time and dates and stuff. But
45:44
I have an idea that I really want to do that. I've been mentioning
45:47
it for years and it would be so easy and so niche. But do
45:51
you guys watch Always Sunny? Yeah? I love him? Yeah, okay,
45:54
so do you know the Bob's Party episode where they're all that and you're
46:00
on the plane yet I literally just want to get white T shirts and tally
46:04
marks and just wear that for a Halloween. But nobody thinks it's funny y
46:09
not because nobody thinks. Nobody else in the band things I'm funny. Well
46:14
they're wrong. You need you need new band members? Yeah, I guy
46:19
friends kick them out. No, we are. I'm just I just like
46:22
to give him a hard time. But yeah, I do have to ask
46:28
because we did interview Jeremy a couple of years ago, and there's probably nobody
46:32
in the world that loves Germy more than you, but you do have to.
46:37
I'm sure you give each other shit a lot, and and Jeremy's inn,
46:40
like our episode with him is probably one of the more beloved, more
46:44
downloaded episodes that we've ever had. So people obviously love Double wris Prada,
46:49
they love Jermy, But what is like one thing that you would say is
46:52
like the most annoying thing about him or like the thing that you're like,
46:58
people should know this about this guy that like totally you're gonna you're like,
47:01
you're gonna undermine their their belovedness of Jermy, if you knew this about him,
47:07
what's what's the thing that you need to to tell the world about him?
47:12
I don't think he does a single thing that's really unlikable. Like we've
47:15
been dating for over a year and he's never given me the ick once.
47:20
Well doesn't he? Is he like a big golf fan. Yeah, Oh,
47:23
he's such a frat. That's like the thing that's gotta be an to
47:29
some degree, right kind of, but I find it really endearing for some
47:34
reason. But he's like such a frag guy, like such a bro,
47:39
which like I mean, in in my own way, I'm also a bro.
47:44
Just like really like I'm a bro in the way where like I love,
47:47
like hate breed and like violence. He likes. He likes like,
47:54
you know, golf and drinking beers and like he's like the nice this guy.
48:00
We can be out anywhere and like people will recognize him and he's just
48:04
like is always like, hey, man, what's up? Yeah, you
48:06
want to drink your beer? Cool. Yeah, it's like to like any
48:08
person, but that and you know, the whole trucker hat thing is he
48:14
has more trucker hats than I do, hairstyles and hairstyles and pairs of pants
48:22
combined, like, so you know his his sense of humor is a little
48:25
bit like it's he he's got a lot of dad jokes. So but besides
48:30
that, I mean, he's just he's he's almost thirty six years old.
48:34
You know, what are you gonna do? That's true? Yeah, we
48:38
love him. Before we get into top five, I've got one more question
48:42
for you. Uh and uh that is uh. And I know, like
48:46
I would imagine like being a woman in the metal hardcore world, Like it's
48:51
like a thing where it's like people probably ask you like or you know,
48:54
describe you as like a female fronted band or like, and there's sort of
48:58
like a stereotype that you get because of that. And I would imagine you're
49:01
like not fond of that at all to a certain degree. But what I
49:06
will say is I have like very consistently seen you post pictures with fans that
49:10
have like gone out seen you guys, and it's like little girls at their
49:15
like their first metal show or whatever, and like they see you on stage
49:20
and it's like the coolest moment of their lives and you take like a selfie
49:23
with them, and those sort of things I would imagine to a certain degree
49:27
like that part of being a woman in a metal band like must feel like
49:30
this is so important and so great. Can you talk a little bit more
49:35
through like those moments when you when you get to have those moments with with
49:38
young young women, young girls that are like getting their first taste of the
49:44
hardcore metal core scene and them seeing themselves in you. What's that like for
49:50
you? Yeah, well, you know, it's like there's two sides of
49:53
the coin, because like you know, there's there's a side where people are
49:58
like, oh yeah, female frontage, like you should go on tour with
50:01
and then mention only you know, yeah exactly, and it's like, no,
50:07
like we're trying to like, while I do think it would be cool
50:10
to be in an environment with women and like to have us like propped up
50:15
like together in that environment and play to a more predominantly you know, crowd
50:21
full of women, like I just think that it is a little bit disparaging
50:25
and like it's kind of insulting, like, oh, you only like my
50:30
band because I'm a girl, or you know, you'll you'll only put us
50:34
in a certain category because I'm a girl, when in reality, you know,
50:37
like and I know, like Courtney from Spearbox for example, Like that
50:40
band is one of the biggest bands in heavy music right now, not just
50:44
because they're not just the biggest girl band in music, you know, they
50:47
are just generally one of the biggest bands. So there's that side of the
50:50
coin. But then on the other side of the coin, you know,
50:52
I know that I was inspired by other women in music I still am to
50:58
this day, and thought I'd be in a position to inspire young girls and
51:01
young people to you know, want to you know, have a dream like
51:07
doing something like what I do. So like there is such like a positive
51:13
connotation to women in music, and like the impact that we all have with
51:17
each other, and it is really cool, you know, just like like
51:22
yesterday, for example, Ryan Kirby's daughter was at the show at the at
51:29
the fest to like see us, and like I'd heard about her and I
51:31
thought that was really cool, and then you know, she came out and
51:34
it was like when I meet a young girl who likes what I'm doing,
51:37
Like I I kind of fan girl because I think, you know, it's
51:43
so awesome that they're getting exposed to it at such a young age, and
51:46
like it's going to change the way that they think about this kind of music
51:50
forever. So long, tangent, but essentially, you know, I do
51:55
kind of, for lack of a better word, bitch and moan about some
52:00
experiences that I've had on the internet. I'm trying to get away from that
52:04
and not be so negative about it because it is a really special and important
52:07
thing. Fuck the trolls, even the unintentional ones, right true, Yeah,
52:14
it love it. I love it? Sweet all right, let's get
52:16
in the top five huh yeah, top five most influential albums of Emma Here
52:23
we go, Okay, any order you want. Number The first one would
52:29
probably be rock Steady by no doubt, hell yeah, even though now in
52:35
my opinion it's not their best record. That was like the first real rock
52:39
album that I listened to that had women in it, and so that made
52:45
a huge impact on me from a really young age now to this day,
52:50
Like that's like such like an important listen. After that, let's see,
53:00
probably would be songs to Scream at the Sun by Have Heart. Yeah,
53:08
that was I was just listening out yesterday. Yeah, that is the first
53:13
hardcore record I ever listened to. And who I got goosebumps that the song
53:22
Boston's about his dad who's an alcoholic and not wanting to grow up and be
53:24
just like his dad, and that's like the reason why he was straight edged.
53:29
That song resonated with me. I'd never heard anyone talk about an experience
53:32
so similar to what I had got, what I was going through at the
53:37
time as a kid, and so that like really opened up my eyes to
53:40
like, you know what hardcore was, about how meaningful it was and what
53:45
it could do for my life and my moment, like my life changed from
53:49
that moment on. Can I say one thing about Pat Flynn from Have Heart
53:53
along those lines, He has one of my favorite like concert moments ever.
53:59
And it wasn't an that I was at. It was just something I saw
54:00
on YouTube once. But he uh, he's a high school teacher and they
54:06
were playing, uh it was Fiddlehead, so it was obviously after Have Heart,
54:09
but Fiddlehead was playing a show and they end the set and you know
54:13
a lot of people are like one more song kind of thing or whatever,
54:15
and he's like and he's like, not where you know he? I think
54:19
he lives in la or something like that, but he was like always away
54:22
from where he lived. And he's like, I literally teach first period tomorrow
54:25
and I gotta get on this plane right now. And I just like think
54:30
that's like the most badass like moment ever I've seen in like a heavy show
54:34
ever. It's so cool. That's that's awesome. When I was sixteen years
54:38
old, my friends and I found Pat Flynn's school email address. Oh no,
54:44
and we would email him all the time. That is a great story.
54:50
I'm not proud of that. I literally forgot about that until just now.
54:54
I'm sorry, Pat, Anyways, that's awesome. Yeah, I'm just
55:02
imagining. I'm just imagining fans emailing emailing me to my school email and just
55:08
being like, oh my god, this is for work. Yeah. The
55:14
one person out there that might email you, the one fan of yours.
55:16
No, I mean like if I was, if I was in a band.
55:20
Ok, Yeah, that's awesome. Okay, let's see another record.
55:25
Uh it had to be controlled by Sizza. That record, to this day
55:30
still one of my favorite pieces of music ever put out. I have never
55:37
fangirled over anyone the way that I fangrol over her. She really like changed
55:43
me as a music fan and turned me into an insufferable person. So the
55:52
impact she has. What else let's see, uh, satisfaction is the death
55:59
of Desire by Hate. Read that just front to back, one of the
56:02
best hardcore records of all time, if not the very best hardcore record of
56:06
all time. And we actually covered Betrayed by Life one time when we were
56:13
like a really really young band at this festival in Calgary. I think that
56:19
was like one of the first covers we've ever done. So I have wan
56:22
more don't and I don't know. Oh oh no, this is okay,
56:32
this is bad. I've never said this on a podcast before you heard it
56:37
here. First People one of my favorite bands of all time. Unfortunately as
56:42
a call to a band called brand new and I don't obviously like I would
56:47
never see them live. Jesse Lacy sucks, gross person. However, Devil
56:54
in God is one of the most creative and influential rock albums ever created.
57:05
And that song or that that record just like really like created my youth as
57:12
like a young like emotional depressed kid. So you know, while it's like
57:19
it's painful for me to listen to those songs now because of the kind of
57:23
person that he has. Unfortunately, you know that is like a really huge
57:28
nostalgic thing for me and a band that I used to really love a lot.
57:32
Uh, that's a that's understandable. Also, I noticed that there's no
57:37
Devil Worst product there. Interesting. Uh, shall we move on? Mason?
57:42
I will say with Roots Above and Branches Below was the first CD I
57:47
ever bought with my own money, hey there, which is funny. So
57:53
that is kind of funny. I hope he's bought a few few dinners since
57:58
then. Oh, get given the fact that that was, like, you
58:00
know, you are your hard earned money and that was the first album you
58:04
bought, Yeah, my allowance because I was a child, that's the funny
58:10
part. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, exactly, love that. Yeah,
58:15
Emma, what do you want to plug? Obviously, new albums coming
58:19
out soon, actually a few days away from when we're recording right now.
58:22
Tours up to the Glory my goodness, Like you guys are essentially going to
58:27
be on the road for the next seemingly six months. Yeah, what all
58:31
do you want to plug? All right, well, I'll start with our
58:35
record, Symptoms of Survival, comes out November third on Sharp Tone Records,
58:39
eleven songs of our proudest work, so check it out. We start a
58:45
tour that day with our friends in Roman Candle, Foreign Hands, and Boundaries,
58:52
hitting cities all across the US from November third December second, so come
58:58
check us out on one of those dates. After that, we're going to
59:02
Australia in January with the Acacius Tray, and then we're hitting Europe in the
59:06
UK with the August Burns Red in March, and then who knows, maybe
59:09
we'll announce a US tour after that with some other cool bands, So we'll
59:17
be on the road a lot next year. So yeah, come check us
59:20
out. You were going to get to know some different vegan restaurants all across
59:23
the world, Yes, I am. I can't wait for Australia, especially
59:27
they have some of the best vegan food. M I should. I mean,
59:31
well, hopefully hopefully you survive all the different animals out there. I
59:36
mean, you might be vegan, but there are a lot of things out
59:38
there that want to eat you. Yeah, I've heard the bugs are you
59:43
know what? Bugs are not off limits for me? I will crush you,
59:49
fuck you bugs death. The song you wrote about war that that it
59:54
really means like it's war with bugs, right, that's what it was about.
59:58
Yes, and birds. I thought those weren't really And that's a scare
1:00:04
everybody. Emma, anything else you'd like to plug? Yeah, So we're
1:00:10
actually going to be it's not announced yet, but it's going to be announced
1:00:15
very soon. So you heard it here. First, we are going to
1:00:20
be on this incredible space cruise going to the Moon and we're going to be
1:00:25
one of the first bands to play on the moon with Metallica and Lamb of
1:00:30
God and Elon Musk will be there getting back together, so maybe she'll do
1:00:37
a secret set. So yeah, well we'll be on the moon next year.
1:00:45
Will Pink Floyd be on the other side of the Moon that you guys
1:00:46
are playing on the dark side? Yeah, that's great. Wow. Is
1:00:53
Jeff Bezos coming as well? No, he's not allowed. We don't let
1:00:57
bald people on the moon actually wait right at all? Yeah, So unfortunately,
1:01:01
John Mack you can't come with us, But Yike's interesting is at least
1:01:07
Jeff Jeff must be funding it right, Like he's got enough money to fund
1:01:10
this trip, right, who Jeff Jeff Bezos? Yes, yeah, I
1:01:19
mean it's it's Elon Musk doing it though I don't know are they are they
1:01:22
couples? Are they doing that whole thing? I think I think sooner or
1:01:25
later. It's only a matter of time that they're going, right. Yeah,
1:01:30
the power the power couple we we all need. Yeah. I just
1:01:34
know that Jeff and Zuckerberg are not friends because they were supposed to fight,
1:01:37
right that was that was and Zuckerberg or yeah that yeah and Zuckerberg. They
1:01:44
aren't friends. They were duking it out with chickens. Oh like some cock
1:01:49
fun. Wow, it's not illegal, like did Michael Vick get put in
1:01:52
prison? There is nothing illegal exactly. They can get away with anything.
1:01:58
They can literally murder someone and the street and no one would say anything,
1:02:01
or people would say something, but they would never get in trouble for it.
1:02:04
So, you know what, while you're on the moon, you know,
1:02:06
because there's no wind, it would be actually a great place to record.
1:02:08
It would be really great to get some like professional recording out there.
1:02:12
When you guys play and have you know, not only play the first show
1:02:15
on the moon, but also get the first like professional recorded music on the
1:02:20
moon as well. It might be hard to record it though, because there's
1:02:23
not really much you know, air for sound to travel through. Oh so
1:02:30
I don't know if it would work all that Well, necessarily everyone wears headphones.
1:02:35
That's that's how it's gonna work. Oh, it's like a silent disco
1:02:37
or whatever they call that, exactly. Yeah, and the disco from Are
1:02:43
You from nineteen seventy four. No, you wear you these headphones and you
1:02:46
like dance with each other while you're wearing these headphones. So it's like completely
1:02:50
silent. It's like a silent rave. I don't think it's called a silent
1:02:53
disco. There's no one out there what they're saying live or some shit.
1:02:57
I think there's balls, there's ball Yeah, okay, wow, see see
1:03:01
Colin, I'm not just talking on my ass. Well, the Silent discos
1:03:05
for Sheila and Corey and the Silent Rave is for US millennials. So that's
1:03:09
right, great, wonderful. Well, we look forward to not just seeing
1:03:15
you all across America, but on the Moon as well soon, and we
1:03:19
certainly are looking forward to the new album Emma where it like honestly, it's
1:03:24
it's definitely going to be an album of the Year candidate for Colin and I
1:03:29
for sure. For sure one of us is going to have to like fight
1:03:31
for it when we do our album of the years, our album of the
1:03:36
year. So anyway, it was great to chat with you again. This
1:03:39
is like an important moment for Colin and I to be able to like chat
1:03:44
with you. It's it's such a such a cool band. You guys have
1:03:46
been so so like just making such great music for a few years now,
1:03:52
and yeah, we're really stoked to see you guys soon and really stoked for
1:03:55
the new album too. Well. Thank you so much, guys, it's
1:03:58
been a pleasure. The idea jasah Yad was the old judge job. I
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am old Joh