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All Aboard the Deportation Train | Episode 323 · V

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Vince on a Thursday. It is so good
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  Speaker 2: to have you with us now, just two days away
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  Speaker 2: from America's Independence Day, the 250th birthday of our country.
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  Speaker 2: You're the best audience anywhere. Thanks for being here with
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  Speaker 2: me today. We have an epic show for you today.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of America's birthday, we'll take a look at the
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  Speaker 2: president's visit to this brand new Teddy Roosevelt Museum. that
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  Speaker 2: he did yesterday in North Dakota. Also, we'll be joined
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  Speaker 2: today by the inimitable Dr. Matt Spaulding. He's from Hillsdale.
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  Speaker 2: You know Hillsdale College? Yeah, this guy, he's one of
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  Speaker 2: the brainiacs who runs the operation over there. And he's
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  Speaker 2: got a great book.
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  Speaker 1: You ready?
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  Speaker 2: It's called The Making of the American Mind. If you
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  Speaker 2: want to understand what it means to be an American,
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  Speaker 2: it would help if you knew what the Declaration of
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  Speaker 2: Independence was. what it actually says and how it was built.
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  Speaker 2: This guy has it in the book and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about it today. It's just absolutely essential, essential
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  Speaker 2: for understanding what it means to be American. We'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about that today. We've also got huge news for you
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  Speaker 2: today because there's lots of people who are not American
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  Speaker 2: who have to go home. And we just got some
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  Speaker 2: revelations that that Mark Wayne Mullen character, you know him,
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  Speaker 2: DHS secretary, Apparently, he's been deporting people at levels that
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  Speaker 2: no one knew about until now. We've got more details
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  Speaker 2: on that breaking news this morning coming up on the
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  Speaker 2: program and so much more to get to, so much
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  Speaker 2: more to get to. Now, before we dive in, I
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  Speaker 2: have one other programming note for you. I told you
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  Speaker 2: this week that, hey, don't you worry, I'll be doing
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  Speaker 2: a show on Friday. I've got a correction to that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not doing a show tomorrow. And here's why.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I know you're disappointed in that. Here's actually,
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  Speaker 2: here's the big reason why. The staff needs a break.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just about me. If it was just about me,
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing anything I want all the time. No, the
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  Speaker 2: staff needs a break. Poor Josh has worked his fingers
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  Speaker 2: to the bone. He doesn't even, he barely has fingers anymore.
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  Speaker 2: All the skin is worn away. The guy needs a break.
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  Speaker 2: He deserves to celebrate America's independence. So we're giving the
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  Speaker 2: staff the day off. That's why. So I'm here today
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  Speaker 2: with you in an American flag t-shirt, bald eagle, fireworks,
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  Speaker 2: screaming behind me, American flag coffee mug. We've got everything
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  Speaker 2: Americana today, baby, because we love the country. 250th anniversary
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  Speaker 2: of the country. It's so great to celebrate it with you.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for being here with me. I appreciate you. So
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  Speaker 2: much more to get to. I do want to thank
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  Speaker 4: Boom.
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  Speaker 2: Happy birthday america you you don't look a day over
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  Speaker 2: 200 you look phenomenal america 250 isn't it great isn't
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  Speaker 2: it great to be alive for this may it continue
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  Speaker 2: 250 years more of it the president of the united
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  Speaker 2: states was in north dakota yesterday for the opening of
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  Speaker 2: the Teddy Roosevelt Museum there. He was accompanied by the
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  Speaker 2: Interior Secretary Doug Burgum. And the festivities were awesome. He
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  Speaker 2: was out there with this great American 250 Freedom Train
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  Speaker 2: that was adorned with all of this patriotic American flag bunting.
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  Speaker 2: He was being escorted by a bunch of guys dressed
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  Speaker 2: up as the Rough Riders. It was very cool to see.
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  Speaker 2: Take a look at some of this footage here if
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  Speaker 2: you're watching with us, rumble.com slash Vince. Look at that,
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  Speaker 2: the Rough Riders, American flags, welcoming the president's arrival, the train.
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  Speaker 2: There's that bunting. I like that bunting. I've got that
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  Speaker 2: bunting hanging on my house right now. There's the president
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  Speaker 2: stepping out of the back of that epic caboose. Really
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  Speaker 2: no doubt about this guy. He loves the country. Cool sight.
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  Speaker 2: The Rough Riders. on horseback, escorting the president's motorcade. And
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  Speaker 2: of course, after this, the president paid a visit to
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  Speaker 2: Teddy Roosevelt's museum there that's apparently getting open this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: And when visitors arrive on Sunday, Doug Burgum was discussing this,
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  Speaker 2: They will be able to hear the man in the
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  Speaker 2: arena speech. You know, the man in the arena speech.
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  Speaker 2: It's an epic, epic address that will be read by
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  Speaker 2: the president of the United States. This president, President Trump,
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  Speaker 2: his voice, they did a recording yesterday of the speech.
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  Speaker 2: So visitors to the museum are going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to hear it, which sounds really, I can't wait to
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  Speaker 2: hear it. I hope somebody puts it on the internet
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  Speaker 2: at some point so I can hear it. Or if
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  Speaker 2: I get a chance to get out there to North
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  Speaker 2: Dakota and check it out, I'd love to. Teddy Roosevelt, very,
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  Speaker 2: very cool president of the United States. And yes, you
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  Speaker 2: can have your hesitancies and well-deserved about any association with
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  Speaker 2: the progressives and all of this. But to be clear
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  Speaker 2: about Teddy Roosevelt, just as a man and about his character,
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  Speaker 2: the guy was just American, just purely distilled. He had
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  Speaker 2: such an adventurous spirit. He lived life to the fullest,
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  Speaker 2: loved the United States. worked really hard to safeguard it
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  Speaker 2: and protect it, and served in combat. He was in
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  Speaker 2: the Spanish-American War. He assembled the Rough Riders, men from
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  Speaker 2: every station in life. They weren't from any particular class
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  Speaker 2: or set. They were everywhere. They were cowboys. They were
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  Speaker 2: Ivy Leaguers. They were everybody. He brought them together, and
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  Speaker 2: he truly had an expansive view of what it means
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  Speaker 2: to to be an American and a true love of country,
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  Speaker 2: just like President Trump. Both men have survived assassination attempts.
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  Speaker 2: Both men were shot in those assassination attempts, and both
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  Speaker 2: men reacted to them like men, like men. President Trump's case,
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  Speaker 2: standing up and saying, fight, fight, fight, and Teddy Roosevelt's case, enduring,
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  Speaker 2: giving that speech anyway, saying that weak and vicious minds,
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  Speaker 2: of course, would turn their arms on him, after all
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  Speaker 2: of the lies that had been told about him in
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  Speaker 2: the press. Sound familiar? So it's not a surprise at
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  Speaker 2: all that this president of the United States would take
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  Speaker 2: some time to honor Teddy Roosevelt and his legacy, given
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  Speaker 2: the many similarities between these two men. Kind of fascinating
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  Speaker 2: and cool to see. So this is a great week
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  Speaker 2: to be an American as we celebrate the 250th birthday.
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  Speaker 2: The president, of course, will be doing that as well
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  Speaker 2: at Mount Rushmore. That'll be on Friday. And then he's
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  Speaker 2: got the big firework show, the biggest in world history,
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  Speaker 2: set to take place on Saturday in Washington, D.C. This
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  Speaker 2: audience will know well that that story was broken exclusively
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  Speaker 2: right here on this show by Doug Burgum, which was
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  Speaker 2: a real treat. So we have a place in American
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  Speaker 2: history now, just to be clear. And it's not just
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  Speaker 2: this fantastic American flag shirt I'm wearing today. It's everything
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  Speaker 2: we've been able to do together.
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  Speaker 1: Love that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into some of the breaking news in the
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  Speaker 2: last 24 hours. The New York Times is in an
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  Speaker 2: all-out panic right now, in an all-out panic right now,
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  Speaker 2: because people are being deported at levels that they didn't
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  Speaker 2: detect until now. It's very upsetting to the New York Times.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the piece. Immigrant arrests surge to 10,000 in five days.
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  Speaker 2: as ICE clamps down. 10,000 people in just five days
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  Speaker 2: as ICE now clamps down. Federal immigration officials have detained
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  Speaker 2: more than 10,000 people in the last five days. It's
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  Speaker 2: a major surge that has stemmed from a push within
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  Speaker 2: Immigration and Customs Enforcement to increase ICE, increase arrest rates.
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  Speaker 2: Agency leaders in recent days have ordered top ICE officials
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  Speaker 2: to focus more of their officers' efforts on picking up
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  Speaker 2: immigrants that they want to deport, according to documents obtained
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  Speaker 2: by the New York Times in interviews with federal officials.
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  Speaker 2: ICE officers have arrested people at check-ins with immigration authorities
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  Speaker 2: during traffic stops and on the street. The push has
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  Speaker 2: apparently yielded results, with recent arrest numbers roughly doubling from
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  Speaker 2: the 1,000 picked up each day earlier this year. ICE
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  Speaker 2: officials were told that the White House wanted an increase
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  Speaker 2: in arrests. according to three officials with knowledge of the conversations.
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  Speaker 2: One of the officials said that it was unclear how
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  Speaker 2: long the pace would continue, but that ICE officials have
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  Speaker 2: been told that 2,000 arrests a day was the new
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  Speaker 2: standard for enforcement. The surge has occurred without fanfare, without
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  Speaker 2: the fanfare of highly visible operations last year, in which
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  Speaker 2: officials announced their intentions ahead. of time to target cities
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  Speaker 2: including Chicago and Los Angeles and send officers pouring into
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  Speaker 2: the streets. Mark Wayne Mullen, the Homeland Security Secretary, pledged
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  Speaker 2: to mount a quieter enforcement campaign following the chaos of
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  Speaker 2: a month-long operation in Minnesota where federal officers killed two U.S.
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  Speaker 1: Citizens.
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  Speaker 2: Yet two U.S. citizens who, by the way, would be
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  Speaker 2: alive were it not for people like Tampon Tim Walls
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  Speaker 2: telling them that they needed to fight ICE. Insanity. They
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  Speaker 2: got themselves killed because of what Tim Walls and Keith
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  Speaker 2: Ellison and Jacob Fry and Hakeem Jeffries urged them to do.
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  Speaker 2: To fight against law enforcement, immigration enforcement in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: You heard the New York Times just cite that Mark
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  Speaker 2: Wayne Mullen had indicated that he wanted things to be quieter.
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  Speaker 2: When I heard that, and when you heard that, no doubt,
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  Speaker 2: you were on guard for the idea that maybe deportations
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  Speaker 2: would be going down, that they would try and limit
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  Speaker 2: the number of deportations or something because of the assassin's
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  Speaker 2: veto that the rioters were causing the administration to back
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  Speaker 2: off on their mission. This story seems to indicate that
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  Speaker 2: that's not the case. Then instead of backing off of
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  Speaker 2: the mission, they just decided that, well, we're not going
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  Speaker 2: to tell you about it. We're just going to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Quiet workmen like aggression. And if these numbers are true,
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  Speaker 2: then it means to some extent that this is paying off.
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  Speaker 2: This is a meaningful uptick. In fact, here's Mark Wayne
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  Speaker 2: Mullen yesterday giving us an actual update on a microphone
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  Speaker 2: about the number of deportations we're seeing a day. And
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  Speaker 2: it's not a mere 2000, although 2000 is the target.
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  Speaker 2: They're at 3,200. Watch this.
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  Speaker 5: We're seeing our arrest numbers come up. We're seeing our
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  Speaker 5: deportation numbers continue to increase. Right now, we're deporting on
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  Speaker 5: average over 3,000 individuals. Actually, the average has been for
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  Speaker 5: several weeks now over 3,200 individuals a day. 70% of
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  Speaker 5: those individuals we're deporting have outstanding criminal charges on them
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  Speaker 5: or they've already been charged with a felony. 70% of
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  Speaker 5: those individuals. 70% of the individuals that Our men and
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  Speaker 5: women throughout DHS arrests, be it ICE, CBP, or one
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  Speaker 5: of our other components, 70% of those individuals have pending
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  Speaker 5: felony charges or are current felons that shouldn't be on
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  Speaker 5: our streets. So when we go after the worst of
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  Speaker 5: the worst, which is exactly what we're doing, we're saving lives.
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  Speaker 5: This is a statistic I like to put out, but
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  Speaker 5: 50% of the individuals killed in Fairfax County, Virginia, are
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  Speaker 5: killed at the hand of an illegal.
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  Speaker 2: 70% of the individuals that we've been picking up have
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  Speaker 2: outstanding criminal charges or have already been charged with a felony.
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  Speaker 2: Do you understand? Just think about the numbers. He just
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  Speaker 2: said 3,200 a day. So let me get out my
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  Speaker 2: handy dandy calculator here. Ready? I'm going to do, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to do that in my head. Let's take
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  Speaker 2: a look. Let's see here. Okay, so he said, what
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  Speaker 2: did he say? He said 3,200 a day, 70% of them.
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  Speaker 2: So 0.7 times 3,200, ready? 2,240 people a day who
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  Speaker 2: have pending criminal charges against them or have already been
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  Speaker 2: charged with a felony. Have you noticed that the left
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  Speaker 2: will often say, insofar as it defends all of this
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  Speaker 2: illegal invasion of our country, very few of these people
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  Speaker 2: are actual violent criminals. Like, very few of them are
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  Speaker 2: committing additional crimes other than coming into our country illegally.
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  Speaker 2: And then you see a number like this, you're like,
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  Speaker 2: holy crap, thousands upon thousands a day that have outstanding
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  Speaker 2: criminal charges or have already been convicted of a felony.
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  Speaker 2: We have a massive problem on our hands. 3,200 deportations
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  Speaker 2: a day, 70% of which have outstanding criminal charges or
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  Speaker 2: have already been charged with a felony. Yeah, no, there's
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  Speaker 2: a big problem here and we need to get them out.
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  Speaker 2: We need to get them out. Now, I will say
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  Speaker 2: that 3,200 a day is an encouraging number because remember
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Miller last May, for those of you who've been
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  Speaker 2: with me throughout all of it, you'll remember we dwelled
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  Speaker 2: on this at the time. Last May, Stephen Miller, the
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  Speaker 2: great Stephen Miller. Should we say it's Miller time? I
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  Speaker 2: think it's Miller time. I'm pretty sure we can say that.
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  Speaker 2: I love our Miller Time graphic. Here he is last
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  Speaker 2: May saying we have to get to 3,000 a day.
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  Speaker 1: Watch.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Well, under President Trump's leadership, we are looking to set
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  Speaker 7: a goal of a minimum of 3,000 arrests for ICE
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  Speaker 7: every day. And President Trump is going to keep pushing
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  Speaker 7: to get that number up higher each and every single
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  Speaker 7: day so we can get all of the Biden illegals
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  Speaker 7: that were flooded into our country for four years out
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  Speaker 7: of our country. And we can't take the risk of
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  Speaker 7: letting these Biden illegals roam around freely so the next
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  Speaker 7: American daughter can get raped. The next American kid can
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  Speaker 7: get murdered. The next American family can get splintered and
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  Speaker 7: torn apart by people that came into this country unchecked, uncontrolled, unvetted,
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  Speaker 7: uninvited by the American people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, aren't you glad Stephen Miller's on this mission? And
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  Speaker 2: Mark Wayne Mullen, apparently a great partner to him. You know,
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  Speaker 2: now I'm putting some of the pieces together, and the
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  Speaker 2: last week is making a lot more sense in hindsight.
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  Speaker 2: This is often how these things go. Remember, Mark Wayne
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  Speaker 2: Mullen gets on television, puts his foot in his mouth
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  Speaker 2: about how Haitians could potentially stay in the United States
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  Speaker 2: of America. Stephen Miller came out very quickly. Miller, who
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  Speaker 2: has a lot of trust among people like us, he's
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  Speaker 2: built it up, a deep well of trust with Americans
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  Speaker 2: who love their country. And he came out, he goes, hey,
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  Speaker 2: everybody go easy on Mark Wayne Mullen. He was just
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  Speaker 2: stating the law. And we're like, okay, all right, I'll
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  Speaker 2: trust you on that. And look at the partnership that
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  Speaker 2: these guys have. So meanwhile, in the background, Mark Wayne
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  Speaker 2: Mullen is deporting 3,200 people a day. That's exceeding the
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  Speaker 2: target that Stephen Miller set, which means that Miller recognizes
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  Speaker 2: that Mark Wayne Mullen's a good partner to him right now.
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  Speaker 2: This is great news. This is very good news. And
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  Speaker 2: it is leading to panic on the left. We didn't
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  Speaker 2: know this was happening. We wanted to plan our riots. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: don't worry about it. We'll handle this. You just stay
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  Speaker 2: home in your basement. We're not going to play that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Just amazing, amazing news. Now, it doesn't mean that the
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  Speaker 2: left isn't trying to devise other strategies to prevent deportations.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, the story I'm about to share with you
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  Speaker 2: is utterly horrifying, truly horrifying. I was, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not shocked, but I am appalled by what I will
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  Speaker 2: share with you here in a moment. I was reading
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  Speaker 2: the news last night prepping. I was actually sitting on
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  Speaker 2: my couch reading this and I covered my hand, had
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  Speaker 2: to cover my mouth. And I told my wife, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I don't even know if I can describe
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  Speaker 2: this to you, but it is horrifying. In a moment,
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  Speaker 2: what tampon Tim Walls is doing to try and prevent
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  Speaker 2: deportations in Minnesota, he should be, as of today, he
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  Speaker 2: should resign in disgrace as governor of Minnesota. More ahead.
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• 18:53
  Speaker 2: So now to this horror in Minnesota. Tampon Tim Walls
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: just pardoned an illegal alien who repeatedly raped a 10-year-old girl.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: in order to prevent this illegal alien from being deported.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Already the story's enraging, but I'm gonna share with you
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: some of the details here. And just so you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: this is about to become very graphic, unfortunately, but I
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: think it's important that people hear what the Democrats are
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: doing to our country, what the stakes are and how
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: awful this is. Bill Malusian with a summary. DHS is
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: accusing Minnesota Governor Tim Walz of trying to shield a
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Laotian illegal alien from Laos, pedophile, from being deported after
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Walls pardoned him for a 2006 conviction in which he
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: repeatedly raped a 10-year-old girl in Minnesota. DHS says Tao
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Lu Vang was issued a deportation order immediately after that
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: conviction and was set to be imminently deported. But the
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: pardon has now removed his deportable offenses and given him
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: a clean record, which may thwart his removal and give
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: him an avenue to fight deportation. Bill warns that these
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: are graphic details below. According to Vong's conviction, documents from
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: the state of Minnesota in 2004, he repeatedly had penetrative
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: sex with the 10-year-old girl on multiple occasions and forced
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: oral sex upon her in which he ejaculated her into
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: her mouth. He told police, quote, I made a mistake,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: but this is a minor thing. It's a cultural thing
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to marry and have sex with girls as young as 12.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: He also said the child should be arrested and she
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: was also at fault. Vong ultimately took a plea deal
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: to plead guilty to the offense of first degree criminal
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: sexual conduct. New York Times reports he served no prison
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: time as a part of the deal. Vong was pardoned
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: for the offense last month by the Minnesota Board of Pardons.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: That board is made up of the Minnesota governor, Tim Walz,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the Minnesota attorney general, Keith Ellison, and the chief justice
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: of the Minnesota Supreme Court. All pardons must be approved
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: by the Minnesota governor. DHS is now blasting the decision.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Governor Tim Walz's decision to pardon an illegal alien convicted
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: child rapist so he can remain in our country is disgusting.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: said Acting DHS Assistant Secretary Lauren Bees. These are the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: criminal illegal aliens he and his Minnesota sanctuary politicians are protecting.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Tu Lu Bang lost his legal status following his conviction
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: for repeatedly sexually assaulting a 10-year-old girl. Following the conviction,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: he was placed in removal proceedings and issued a final
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: order of removal by a judge. This pardon will take
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: away this child rapist's qualifying convictions that made him removable
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: from the United States. Bill includes a mugshot or a
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: photo of this vile creature. He also includes some of
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the original police documentation describing the horrors of these crimes.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I'll spare you more details, but they're equally and extensively
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: horrific to what I just shared with you. And this
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: is who Tim Walz is freaking protecting. It's not the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: people of Minnesota. It's not the people of the United
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: States of America. He's working to actively undermine the American
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: people and their desire to restore order to their country,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: including for men who rape little girls. That's who Tim
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Walz is protecting. And this, I looked at the New
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: York Times coverage of this, and they include a detail
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: in here that I think is really important for your understanding.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: They say that this detail, that if you are deportable,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: it adds to the weight of your ability to get
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: a pardon in the state of Minnesota. They say Mr.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Walls and other members of the Minnesota Pardon Board have
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: stressed that the threat of removal is one factor among
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: many that they consider. And they've rejected others seeking relief
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: from deportation.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Others.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: How bad does the crime need to be? To avoid
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a pardon because you're letting 10 rapists, adult rapists of
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: 10 year old girls go. Because you're trying to avoid deportation.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: That's a factor.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: What?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: This is it's so, you know, we're at a level
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: here in the United States of America where we are
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: served so many scandals of this nature that you unfortunately
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: kind of become numb to them because because. This behavior is,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: in a way, so predictable and expected, unfortunately. This is
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: why I say it's not shocking, but it is appalling.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: But boy, it is appalling. The Democrats are actively seeking
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: to undermine our sovereignty to the point that they're trying
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: to allow rapists to stay in the country. And if
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the American people do not understand what the stakes are,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: God willing, a story like this will help them understand it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Tim Walz should not be the governor of any state.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Tim Walz, if the justice system functions, should probably be
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: in jail for his active subversion of attempts to restore
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: order to our country, conspiring with Keith Ellison to protect
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: fraud in the state of Minnesota. Something needs to be done.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Something needs to be done about this. And this is
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: really just a deeply upsetting story. I'm sorry I have
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: to bring this to you as we head into Independence Day.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: But this is just one of those stories I saw.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: And I said, the audience needs to know about this.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And we need to know that our cause is righteous,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: that getting the bad guys out of the country, getting
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: illegals out of our country is not only something on
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the to-do list. It's at the top of that list.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you to Mark Wayne Mullen for accelerating these deportations.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: It's good news today because I was I actually saw
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: these in reverse order. I saw this Tim Wall story first,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my God, I can't even
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: believe what's going on in Minnesota. And then I saw
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the encouraging news that DHS is all over deporting people.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: It has to happen. And to be clear, by the way,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: this guy, his status in our country, pretty sure that's
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: really up to the Trump administration. So this deportation game
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: that they're playing, whatever this is, oh, we gave him
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: a pardon, so now you can't deport him. Bull. Guy's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: not an American citizen. Get him the hell out of
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: our country. I hope the Trump administration bangs down whatever
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: door he's hiding behind it, grabs him and trebuchets him
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: right out of the country because it has to happen.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: It has to. All right. Let me one one more
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: story on illegal aliens for you, and then we'll get
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: to talking about our great Declaration of Independence with our
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: great guest coming up in just a moment. But here's
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: another one. You know, the left often tells you that
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: there's no illegal aliens voting in our elections. Yeah, that's
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: funny because we just got another update on that subject.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Exclusive DOJ arrests illegal alien for voting in federal election.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: It happened again. The great Reagan Reese, our White House correspondent,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: sharing this detail today. Federal authorities have arrested and charged
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: yet another illegal alien in New Jersey with voting in
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: a federal election, the Daily Caller has learned. Marion Cheriton,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a 62-year-old from Slovakia, was charged with illegally voting in
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: a federal election, as well as making false statements while
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: applying for U.S. citizenship, according to information shared with the
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Daily Caller. Cheriton allegedly registered to vote in New Jersey,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: falsely stated that he was a U.S. citizen when doing so.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: He then went on to vote in the 2022 midterm
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: elections and according to the information provided to the Daily Caller.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Cheritzen also applied for U.S. citizenship and allegedly claimed he
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: never voted in a federal election, lied about it. Cheritzen
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: never obtained citizenship as his voting history was discovered during
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the application process, and he was denied, an official told
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the Daily Caller. So this is just the latest in
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: a string of these arrests. The Justice Department has actually, um,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: done this a bunch. In May, four green card holders
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: living in New Jersey were separately charged with illegally voting
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: in federal elections and falsely claiming they never did such
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: a thing while applying for U.S.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Citizenship.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: So that just keeps happening. That thing they say never
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: happens just keeps happening. In case you were wondering, yeah,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: let's get them out of the country. Let's do that.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And let's fix our elections. And let's, in the process,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: shall we? Get the Save America Act. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I think that'd be absolutely wonderful. All right, more in
• 28:11
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  Speaker 2: of this phenomenal book, The Making of the American Mind,
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  Speaker 2: the Story of Our Declaration of Independence.
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  Speaker 1: Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Spaulding, nice to see you this morning, and happy birthday, America.
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  Speaker 9: It is great to see you, Vance. Happy Independence Day,
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  Speaker 9: July 2nd. This was the day of the vote. Indeed,
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  Speaker 9: it was this morning, a few hours from now, the
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  Speaker 9: actual vote for independence. So, yes, happy Independence Day.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think we wrongly marked July 4th as Independence
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  Speaker 2: Day as a result of that history?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, not at all.
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  Speaker 9: I think the declaration, which is the formal statement of
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: that independence, completes the argument. You know, John Adams famously
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: wrote a letter that said that July 2nd will be
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: celebrated with fireworks and that'll be the date. But I
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: think that, you know, this is something that's really great
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: about America. we aren't merely revolutionary like the French Revolution. Yes,
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: we did fight a revolution. But then we said what
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: we thought. We put our ideas down on a piece
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: of paper, the Declaration of Independence. And what the Declaration
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: does is not just declare our independence, but announce our
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: new nation. And so the Declaration is really the birthday
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: of America. So July 4th is the right day to celebrate.
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: But we just celebrate on July 2nd as well.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Why not too? I love that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: So one of the things I love about your book,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not yet done it, but I've begun reading it.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm not going to lie to you about, oh,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I read the whole book and I love every letter. No,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: but I have been reading it. I've really been enjoying it.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: And I enjoy your mind. I enjoy the way you write.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: And the prose is beautiful.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: But one of the things I took away immediately, which
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I think is one of the core points of the book,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: is that to understand what it means to be American
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: is to read the Declaration of Independence, that the core
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: thought of the American mind is the Declaration of Independence.
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  Speaker 2: And every other little thought we have about our country,
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  Speaker 2: every sincere feeling and every time a tear comes to
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  Speaker 2: your eye listening to the national anthem, the Star-Spangled Banner,
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  Speaker 2: all of those other subsidiary thoughts spill out of that
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  Speaker 2: Declaration of Independence. Tell me about this.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think that's right. I'd turn it out a
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 9: I think one starts off with some instinctive sense of
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: patriotism that you get from your family and your community
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: and watching a parade with the flag. But what happens
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: in America is it has to be reflective. To be
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: a self-governing republic means you've got to think about and
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: deliberate about being a citizen and what all that means.
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: So it does come back to the Declaration of Independence.
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: But here I'd make a general perception is that, well,
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: the Declaration is what Jefferson said. Therefore, Jefferson gave us
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  Speaker 9: our mind. That's not the case at all. Jefferson called
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: it an expression of the American mind, which is where
• 33:48
  Speaker 9: I get my book title, The Making of the American Mind.
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: And Jefferson, beautifully, wonderful writer, very gifted writer, captured that
• 33:56
  Speaker 9: American mind, which had been building for decades, especially the
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: immediate decade before 76.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: And then they've been debating this for two years. And recall,
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: George Washington had been president, excuse me, had been commander
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: in chief of the army. He's at war for a
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: whole year before they get to the Declaration of Independence.
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: So that's the American mind. Jefferson was capturing that American mind,
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  Speaker 9: and I think he did it brilliantly. And I think
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: that is still the American mind. We still debate the Declaration.
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: We still talk about the Declaration. We still read the Declaration.
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: And it's what makes America different to this day. It's
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: why people come here. It's why people flock to America,
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: which is why people look to America when they're being persecuted.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: It's ultimately why, even though.
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: We're not a perfect nation, we have all sorts of
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: flaws because we're imperfect people.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: We are a great nation, perhaps the greatest because of
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: the Declaration. It's what we aspire to, our principles. And
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: those are true principles, not just merely Jefferson's mind that
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: he made up. He captured this, and that's what we
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: remain dedicated to. And so it is the Declaration that
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: really defines America and what it means to be an
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: American citizen.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: The modern left has a deep resentment for the Declaration
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: of Independence, in particular because it acknowledges a higher power immediately.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: It says that our rights are endowed to us by
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: our creator. Can you talk about how important that was
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: to the Declaration of Independence?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Very much so.
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: Indeed, there are two great moorings, if you will, of
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: the Declaration of Independence. It talks about the laws of
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: nature and of nature's God, and then goes on to
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: talk about the divine God four other times. So what
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: they did is they grounded the Declaration not only in
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: what we might call the Greek and Roman rational classical
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: tradition of natural law, but they also grounded it in
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: this other source of truth, which is general revelation and
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: then a revelation that becomes this a providential God and
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: a God that creates man in particular and endows man
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: with his rights. Modern liberalism, especially post-modernism, can't stand for
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: any quote-unquote truth claims, whether they're rational truth claims or
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: divine truth claims. The Declaration does both, so it's doubly
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: bad from their point of view, and we've got to
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: ignore that. So they undermine both of those claims, all
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: of those claims, which really does undermine the whole basis
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: of what America historically and intellectually and morally has always
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: defined itself as. Our rights do not come from government.
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: They don't come from the Supreme Court. They don't come
• 36:27
  Speaker 9: from a slow evolution of changes of opinions in the
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: penumbras and emanations of the Constitution. They are God-given and
• 36:37
  Speaker 9: they're evident in the very nature of man, which you
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: understand to be a created man, or you can understand
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: to be the man we observe over time, in the
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: sense of, say, Aristotle or Cicero. So it's that deep
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: mooring that modern progressivism, especially this post-modernism, which believes in nothing,
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: it's all it is is subjective will, they can't stand
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: either of those moorings, and those things define the Declaration
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: of Independence.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: One of the other things that really stands out to
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: me about the Declaration is how metal it is, how
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: hardcore it is. It's nothing like modern political speech. Modern
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: political speech is designed to try and sound flowery and
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: agreeable to all people who hear it. That's not what
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the Declaration is at all. It's like an endless list
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: of grievances against the crown, and we're going to fight
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: back against you, and we're going to do it by
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: pledging our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor. It
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: goes so hard in the paint, and It just makes
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: me think like, boy, I wish people could be as
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: honest as the declaration was.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: This is one of the things I think sometimes we've
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: thought of the declaration in the Constitution in many ways too,
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: is kind of just documents. They are written documents about
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: our political principles. And they've forgotten the story. The story
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: is powerful. Not only is that declaration manly, to be
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: perfectly honest, in terms of what they're laying out.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, think about what they're doing, Vince.
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: They are announcing that they're going to go to war
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: against the most powerful nation in the world. And these
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: are the things we believe, and we're willing to die
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: for them. That's something we don't see nowadays very often.
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: And here's another little quirk or a providential, interesting aspect
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: of history. On July 2nd, today, 250 years ago today,
• 38:20
  Speaker 9: not only This morning, are they going to have the
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: second vote, the final vote for independence until July 2nd,
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: when famously Caesar Rodney arrives last moment. But also on
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: July 2nd, the British, Washington's been reporting they're moving their
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: ships from Halifax down the East Coast. On July 2nd,
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: they're landing troops on Staten Island. So it's in the
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: middle of all this, I always tell my students, in
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: the middle of all this, they're going to war. They're
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: about to be invaded by the largest naval invasion ever.
• 38:50
  Speaker 9: prior to World War II. And in the middle of that,
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: here's what they said. We hold these truths to be self-evident,
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: that all men are created equal, all those grievances, and
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: we're willing to.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Die for it.
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: That's what I call great, that's great political rhetoric of
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: the highest caliber. We don't see that anymore. And that's
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: something we can dedicate ourselves to, that kind of deep
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: belief to principles that are understood to be true simply.
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: If we can't dedicate ourselves to that, what are we
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: going to dedicate ourselves to? I just don't see much
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: greater than that.
• 39:29
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Be the centerpiece of a nation.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: So you've used the word providential a couple times, and
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: you just were describing how against all odds we decided
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: we're going to fight against the most powerful military on
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: planet Earth to found our nation. Do you find in
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the American founding proof of God, do you think it
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: proves God's existence, the success of the American founding?
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: Uh, the success of the American founding, you know, perhaps
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: I think it shows a providential pattern, but going back
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: to your previous question, I do think the American founding,
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: the declaration in particular relies upon indeed actually lays out
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: a case for God. Now, important clarification here, Vince, it's
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: not sectarian, it's not Protestant or Catholic or, or a
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: congregationalist or Puritan. They wanted to avoid those civil wars
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: in England, which led to persecution. They believed very strongly
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: in religious liberty. So it's non-particular. It's a general case
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: for God, for the divine. There's a profound theology of
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: the Declaration of Independence, and I don't think you can
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: read it without that theology. There's clearly a notion that
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: man is in an ordered universe. Man was created. Man
• 40:39
  Speaker 9: was endowed by this God. This God is providential, and
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: this God is also the supreme judge of the world.
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: I don't see how you can read that and not
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: see a very, very powerful theology. It's not necessarily New Testament.
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: It's more Old Testament in many ways. But it's clearly
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: a profound sense of God. And given, you know, even
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: the fact that Jefferson is quirky in his ways, and
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: so is Ben Franklin, but the rest of them, almost
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: to a man, were mainstream religious people. And the notion
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: that they could write that and not think that was
• 41:11
  Speaker 9: the God to whom they prayed or that that was
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: the God to whom Washington's army prayed every day is amazingly.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Difficult, if not impossible to believe.
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: And Washington clearly thought there was providence at role in
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: the American Revolution on many occasions and writes about it
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: at great length.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: How important was it to the founders that we keep
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: this revolutionary spirit alive going into the centuries? So how
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: do we hand this down? And was that an important
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: facet to their thinking?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: I mean, look, what is the great difficulty of free government,
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: of self-government, of self-governing citizens?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: This is the problem. This is the challenge.
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: This is why self-government regimes never last. The Americans had
• 41:56
  Speaker 9: a different idea. They thought it could, which is why
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: they emphasized education at great length on many occasions.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: But education for the founders.
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: Always included a sense of civic education and which was
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: not just kind of this abstract, technical, who votes when
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: kind of thing. It was a deep patriotic education. You
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: should learn your history. You should learn about these great
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: and noble deeds. And you should learn about these principles
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: because this is the thing that makes America worth loving.
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: And so we have to know it. We have to
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: have a reflective sense of it. But ultimately, it's a patriotism.
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: And in a free government, which you don't live by
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: the dictates of the ruler and you're not instructed, to
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: do things, you still have the freedom to vote, to
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: do things, to pursue happiness, to be free. It's got
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: to be something that we consciously think about and do
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: in our homes, with our families, our schools, and at
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: the national level through great rhetoric and speaking through laws,
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: but also speeches and things like that. So the founders
• 42:57
  Speaker 9: thought that was incredibly important and to a man all
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: thought that we couldn't survive if that was lost. and
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: worried about that question because this is the question historically,
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: can Republican government continue to exist? Can America continue to exist?
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: I think they would be amazed about how well we've done.
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: I think they'd be worried about how we're going to
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: maintain it and we need to recover it, recover that sense.
• 43:23
  Speaker 9: And I'm hoping this unique moment, this day, these few days,
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: in the next 11 years, which is going to be
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: the 250th anniversary of the Constitution, is going to be
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: a period in which this country recovers that idea and
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: those understandings and truths behind this country we all love.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Dr.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Spaulding, I know that you're undertaking efforts to help tell
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: our story better because the story has been poorly told
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: by many of the institutions who are tasked with telling it,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: including I know you've been working just kind of looking
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: at the Smithsonian and the way the stories are told
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: at the museum. Can you tell us something about your efforts?
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: A little bit. It's kind of ongoing.
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: I've been involved in Freedom 250 generally and the celebrations
• 44:05
  Speaker 9: and all that. But I've also been looking around at
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: how the government teaches these things. Going back to your
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: previous question, and the Smithsonian is very problematic, and here
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: particularly the Museum of American History. There's no narrative. It
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: doesn't tell someone the story. Someone comes there, they're not
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: going to learn about America. They learn all the things
• 44:27
  Speaker 9: you would expect in a postmodern world. about slavery, about
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: all the bad parts, about who couldn't vote, and how
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: the country really wasn't founded.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: It wasn't settled. It was unsettled.
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: But it all has to do with people, not the
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: American founders. So it's this profound ideological trip to kind
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: of get around all the things that would be a
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: normal consensus, you know, old liberal history of America. So
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: I find it very problematic that the that the leading
• 45:00
  Speaker 9: museum funded by Congress of the American government telling the history,
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: American history, doesn't actually tell American history.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Well, that's an act of subversion. I mean, that's directly
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: contrary to what you just described about what the founder's
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: vision was for passing down. Oh, I completely agree.
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: And that's the fact that our country is doing that
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: and funding it on a regular basis. I mean, it
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: really is teaching an ideology, teaching one to question that history, Well,
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: first of all, not to learn the history, but question
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: these ideas and undermine them. In this postmodern world we've
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: been talking about for years now as it's expanding, this
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: is what we would expect to see. But to see
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: it at the National Museum of American History in the Smithsonian,
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: I find just heartbreaking, but also extremely problematic. And I'm
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: hoping the powers that be, the people that oversee the Smithsonian,
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: the government, the Congress, the president, really think about doing
• 45:58
  Speaker 9: something about it. It's very problematic, and we should not
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: be teaching this, especially now at our 25th anniversary.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how could a museum that's dedicated to this great
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: nation lead people to have a lower view of the
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: country when they're leaving the exits? Like, you're walking out
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: of the museum and you have a lower view of
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: the country than when you came into it?
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: Well, but if you look at their documents, their internal
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: documents and planning documents, that seems to be their plan.
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: They wanted to problematize the American history. They want to
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: draw attention to its flaws because that's how, in their
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: point of view, you create this civic-mindedness. But it really
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: does undermine any sense of patriotism, any sense of appreciation,
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: any sense of even just knowing the basic history. I mean,
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: the great history about America is not that we were perfect,
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: we're flawed, we have all sorts of things, history is messy.
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: The great thing about America's history is Americans almost always
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: overcome them. Sometimes it takes a little more time than others.
• 46:57
  Speaker 9: But in the case of slavery, we fought a civil war.
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: It doesn't tell that story. It doesn't show that somehow
• 47:03
  Speaker 9: these principles beginning became this great nation. And this great nation,
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: though imperfect, has done great things more than any other
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: country in the world.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: There's no sense of that at all. It really undermines
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: all of that.
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: And so a student that goes there, a family that
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: goes there, But a foreigner goes there, someone who's visiting
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: America goes there. You get a very muddled and negative
• 47:26
  Speaker 9: view of this country.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And I see no.
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: Reason why you would be proud to be an American
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: or even being interested in being American after going to
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: that history museum.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Well, what a betrayal. I mean, if you want a
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: real understanding, in my view, of our nation's flaws and
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: the ways we overcame them, I mean, turn to Frederick Douglass,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: turn to Harriet Tubman, turn to Booker T.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Washington. Absolutely.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: And actually read their words and what they actually thought.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: And you won't leave with a low regard for America's history.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: You will leave with a very high regard for it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Frederick Douglass was constantly calling on Americans to live up
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: to the ideals of our founding. And so if you
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: walk away from an American history museum and you think
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: less of the United States, you are dishonoring Frederick Douglass's
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: interpretation of our country.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: But you're also dishonoring Abraham Lincoln and the founders themselves.
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: I mean, one thing, one obligation we have if you're
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: teaching history is we have an obligation as best we
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: can to understand it as they understood it. And when
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: you read their stuff, this is why I wrote my
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: book and why Hillsdale teaches what it teaches. If you
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: read good history and read what they actually said, it's
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: a noble story. It's imperfect. It overcomes tragedy and mistakes.
• 48:37
  Speaker 9: But gosh, it's noble history.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: And there's a certain glory to it. I mean, this
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: country has done more for the cause of liberty than
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: any country in the world.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 48:47
  Speaker 9: Why do people look to us? Why do people come
• 48:49
  Speaker 9: here constantly? Why do they want to get here? We're
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: blessed to be in this great country. And we should
• 48:55
  Speaker 9: think about that on a day like today and the
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: next couple of days.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: We should relearn that history. But gosh.
• 49:02
  Speaker 9: We should just think about what this country means. In
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: the middle of the 18th century, when the world is
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: dominated by force and monarchy and aristocracy and despotism, we
• 49:12
  Speaker 9: announced a country that's gonna be based on human freedom
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: and human equality, based on the consent of the governed,
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: and by gosh, we've done that. We have done that
• 49:21
  Speaker 9: in spades and become the greatest and most powerful country
• 49:24
  Speaker 9: in the world. And that's not something to be celebrated
• 49:28
  Speaker 9: at our own Museum of American History.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand it. And that's got to be corrected.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: God bless you. And I And I know you're in
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: the fight to do that. Thank you very much, Dr.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Matt Spaulding. The book is The Making of the American Mind.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: If you've enjoyed a single sentence of what Dr. Spaulding
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: just shared with us, you will have many sentences of
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: his wisdom right here.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: It's so good.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: The book is so good.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Dr.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Spaulding, thank you. And happy Independence Day to you.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Happy July 4th. God bless America.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: God bless America. Great to see you, sir. There he is,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Matt Spaulding. And just to It is a great country. And,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: you know, there's the emotional side of me. I'm always like,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but there's a part of me.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I see the American flag, put my hand over my heart,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: take your ball cap off when the Star Spangled Banner
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: starts playing, you know, watching. I've been to military funerals,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: flag-draped coffins. I just, every time there's a part of
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: my mind that activates that I feel like gets very
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: little action otherwise. And you just like, you well up
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: with emotional pride and country, and it's a wonderful feeling.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: And I think it's important to also activate the other
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: parts of your brain that animate this, that inform why
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: you're having that emotional response. And that's found in the
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Declaration of Independence. You know, that's the American mind. That's
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: what Dr. Spalding's talking about. And so I'm very grateful
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: that he wrote a great book on the subject. And,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: you know, I Very fitting for us to mark the
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: 250th anniversary of the country with one of the leading
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: thinkers in our country on this subject. So thank you
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: to him again for that. Let's see here. There's a
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: couple of other quick elements for you I want to
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: share with you today before we head off into a
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: great Independence Day weekend. The effort to, you know, figure
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: out who is American and how quickly that happens continues
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: to be underway because we're Look, this birthright citizenship decision
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: from the Supreme Court earlier this week was just an
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: absolute dumpster fire, total dumpster fire. This idea that you
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: can just hand out citizenship willy-nilly. Oh, but it's been
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: happening like this for a century. Yeah, it shouldn't be happening.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: It's insane. The drafters of the 14th Amendment were explicit
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: that this was not supposed to be for aliens who
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: were just here on a temporary basis. And if you're
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: here illegally, by definition, you're here temporarily because once we
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: find you, we deport you. You shouldn't be here. So
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: this is insanity. And, you know, it wasn't that long
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: ago that everybody knew it was crazy. In fact, CNN
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: knew it was crazy. Back in 2015, CNN ran a
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: full-blown segment on women who were selling their wombs to
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: China to give Chinese people American citizen babies. The whole
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: thing was so crazy, it formed a CNN segment. This
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: brought to us by the great Maize Moore, who resurfaced
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: this segment this week take a look cut three watch
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: i know it's not my baby.
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: The child growing inside audra anderson will be going to
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: parents in china who are the future parents of of
• 52:36
  Speaker 8: this child you're carrying right now.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: A chinese gay couple and they are the most wonderful
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: people that i know they are loving and caring and
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: if I didn't think that, I wouldn't have given them
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: two wonderful children.
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: Anderson's surrogate pregnancy is not unusual. A growing number of
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: women in the U.S. are becoming surrogates for wealthy Chinese couples.
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: Agencies like West Coast Surrogacy in Irvine, California, are seeing
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: a large influx of customers from overseas. In fact, 40%
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: of their clients are from China.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: For one, their child will be a U.S. citizen. I'm
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: sure that has some.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: There are other American companies trying to get in on
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: this growing surrogacy industry. Unlike international adoption, there are very
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: few rules governing international surrogacy. Here in a small desert
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: town in Southern California, Audra Anderson says she's already considering
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: carrying a third surrogate child. She can earn from 35
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: to $ 45, 000 for each baby.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: This should be totally illegal. What a scam. What a
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: complete scam. Just handing out American citizenship to chidcoms. Yeah,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: that's the American dream right there. Sell your womb. How
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: disgusting on any number of levels. Disgusting.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: So that's that's that CNN knew it. You know, Harry
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Reid knew back in 1993 that this was a problem.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: He proposed legislation that's now being resurfaced by Ohio Senator
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Bernie Moreno to stop all of this. But now they
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: won't admit any of this. The left won't because this
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: is a part of their scam to destroy the country.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: they're all in on destruction. They're not interested in people
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: remembering the purpose of the American founding or maintaining any
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: sort of continuity or passing down things to your children. Instead,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: it's a full-blown, open border, open womb, free-for-all to claim
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: American citizenship. Thanks, lefties. Trying to wreck the country that way.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: And imagine how many wombs have been sold out since 2015.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: That was 11 years ago to just give a bunch
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: of random foreign nationals American citizenship. Yeah, no, that's insane.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: What a total abuse of our country and its populace.
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  Speaker 2: The president's trying to fix it. He promised yesterday, he goes,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going to fix this thing. We're going to fix
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: this garbage around birthright citizenship.
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  Speaker 1: Take a look.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the president come forward.
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  Speaker 6: It was the most important, and we want some others too.
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: It was the most important decision of all of them,
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  Speaker 6: I think.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll take care of the birthright.
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  Speaker 6: Citizenship because that was not meant for rich people from
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: other countries. That was meant for, actually, it was meant
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: for the babies of slaves. If you look at it,
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  Speaker 6: it was a month after the Civil War ended that
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: it went through. That's because it was meant for the
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  Speaker 6: babies of slaves. It wasn't meant for Rich people from China.
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: They came over in Gulf Streams. It was meant for
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: the babies of slaves. So I believe, no, I know
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: they got it wrong, but that's okay because they gave
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: us something that nobody thought. But they also gave us
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  Speaker 6: something in one of the sessions a year ago. It
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: was called merit. Our country now is based again on merit.
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  Speaker 1: On merit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The president says he's going to fix this. They're already
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: focusing on doubling down and going after anybody who's involved
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: in birth tourism. The Justice Department has made this a
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: priority this week. They said, put everything else to the side.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to stop this from happening. Talk about an
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  Speaker 2: attack on Americans. It's a straight up attack on American sovereignty.
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  Speaker 2: American citizens are the sovereigns. It's not, you know, we
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: got rid of the king. We did that. 250 years ago,
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  Speaker 2: that big declaration of independence. We got rid of the king.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: You're the sovereign. American citizens are the sovereign. And we're
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: not going to devalue our currency. We're just going to
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: hand it out to random people who steal it from us. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's a privilege to be an American, and we need
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: to safeguard what that means. The president of the United
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  Speaker 10: I think a lot of people are underestimating the Trump
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